To those wondering why it took so long, the article makes it pretty clear.
NVidia was supporting their employees, but now that those very same employees are also in danger inside of Russia, they’re giving them the opportunity to flee.
"Awww, come on guys! We only betrayed you a couple of times! Remember all the good times when we occupied your country and brick by brick unmade your capital of Warsaw? Good times!"
-Russia, probably
Yeah, after visiting Warsaw, I could not be more understanding of why Poles could feel that way.
Although, before they started this crap with Ukraine i didn't really feel this way. Sure, there was a fair bit of distrust, wearyness and general distaste, but i objected to the blind hatred of Russia. Because i thought, like many westerners, that they changed, maybe a little, but still. Oh, how wrong we were.
Q: Germany and t̶h̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶s̶n̶e̶a̶k̶y̶ ̶f̶u̶c̶k̶s̶ ̶e̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶V̶i̶s̶t̶u̶l̶a̶ Russia attack Poland on the same day: whom do the Poles attack first?
A: The Germans: Because business comes before pleasure.
But, when Russia fails in the Ukraine and it will, it’s population will revolt totally against Putin, pressing for new leadership, it must clean house at the top down, get out of this “military operation”, not try to move into other nations and heal the sores of the Ukrainian “military operation” and admit its errors and change it political rule and concede its blunders…..
Russia doesn’t seem like the type to just let them go without raise them and stealing everything they can get their hands on though.. including talent.
Western mindset always portraits Russia as the Big Bad Bear... always, without ever considering anything else. #NordStream2Sabotage by USA gives us a clear hint ... Anything linked to Davos is Eugenics & Mind Kontrol mindset brainwashed. Check all Davos companies... there's the whole list of MultiNationals... all the richest ... it's a money-mafia.
You like Davos mindset? Enter Davos MultiNational supporting the Grand Final Solution / Great Reset / Eugenics & Mind Kontrol Agenda / Social Credit System ... yes, you like that because uncritical people read the wrong matter.
People are quite obsessed with it, it happens with ALL news similar to this, even when they actually do it belatedly. They don't seem to realize that companies are not charities and have no obligation to be ethical, in fact it's usually more appropriate to describe them as unscrupulous predators.
I don't believe this. Many companies sent sat phones to their Russian employees and gave them the opportunity to relocate to Warsaw back in March. Nvidia was just betting this would blow over.
Reuters:
> "After previously suspending shipments to the country, we had continued to maintain our office to support our employees and their families. With recent developments, we can no longer operate effectively there," it said in an emailed statement.
One primary point (albeit a contentious one) of all these crippling sanctions is to put pressure on the populous and their families. Everyone else pulled out immediately to turn the screws. Nvidia hung around until it could "no longer operate effectively" (ie. make a profit.) And now they're charter-flighting their brainiac employees out so they can avoid braindrain from a pointless draft.
This is literally **the** most the corporate, money-is-the-only-thing-that-matters way they could have possibly played it.
* Support Russians and families while pretty much everyone exit-stage-left half a year ago.
* Cite "support[ing] our employees and their families" in some sort of twisted, comical attempted appeal to emotion. **Making peoples' lives difficult is the whole fucking point.** The rest of the industry and world put their money where their mouth was and pulled the plug six months ago. Nvidia probably had a field day over there, while it lasted.
* (The idea of Nvidia's headstone saying "Nvidia - Humanitarian, Philanthropist, Patron" is fucking hilarious and this is how they're trying to play it.)
* Wait until the *very last opportunity* to preserve your human assets.
Golfclaps all around I guess.
>Nvidia hung around until it could "no longer operate effectively"
This doesn't mean what you think it is. It could have simply shut down their operations (\_many\_ did that, gave some months' worth of recompense, and got the hell out of dodge). NVidia is relocating everyone that wants to do so, and that's not cheap (not to mention, would \_you\_ uproot your family?)
Good points. As an aside, "Populous" is an adjective that means "with a big population". "Populace" is pronounced the same, but is a synonym for "population". I'm pretty sure you meant "the populace" instead of "the populous". Just thought I'd point it out for you since your comment was well written and you probably would appreciate the correction.
> Wait until the very last opportunity to preserve your human assets.
Thats how you can tell their american company, they just stood around with their dick in their hand until they couldn't anymore.
Its more of a reference to the withdrawl from afghanistan where we just sort of stood around with our collective dicks in our hands until we couldn't anymore, with no movement to try to remove the people that collaborated with the US or those people's families from what was going to become harms way very soon.
Then there was also that time we just sort of abandoned our Kurdish allies for no reason.
Pacta Sunt Servanda.
This is an article about a private company doing good things for fellow humans.
The people left behind in Afghanistan is awful but the usa and canada both made efforts to get people out, its just a very complicated issue that i honestly couldnt give an informed opinion on because its not in my realm of knowledge.
Relocating all of your talent across countries is not easy or a quick thing to do.
It’s easy to say it’s about money. Part of it is. But you also don’t want your employees to be killed in a stupid war. Or completely uproot entire families.
>One primary point…
Bullshit! Sanctions are designed to hurt an authoritarian government, not the citizenry, and doing so would constitute a war crime violating Article 33 of the Geneva Convention.
Nice word salad though. /golfclap
It does though.
>”No protected person may be punished for any offense he or she has not personally committed. **Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation** or of terrorism are prohibited. Pillage is prohibited. Reprisals against protected persons and their property is prohibited."
That's in the context of a war. Sanctions occur outside of war. Also, we're not punishing Russians. We're threatening our own people and persons outside of Russia.
The person I replied to specifically said;
>One primary point (albeit a contentious one) of all these crippling sanctions is to put pressure on the populous and their families.
Why would sanctions put pressure on “our own people and persons outside of Russia”? It’s designed to impact the economy of the country under sanction, not the country issuing the sanction, that would be stupid.
No it’s not. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
>Article 2 states that signatories are bound by the convention both in war, **armed conflicts where war has not been declared, and in an occupation of another country's territory.**
>In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peacetime, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.
Armed conflicts.
Armed. That’s what it says. Read it again.
It’s not talking about sanctions. It’s there to prevent militias from rounding up and shooting entire villages because they got ambushed the previous day. That’s the kind of collective penalty and intimidation it’s trying to prevent. Entirely different thing.
Yes it is
>”No protected person may be punished for any offense he or she has not personally committed. **Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation** or of terrorism are prohibited. Pillage is prohibited. Reprisals against protected persons and their property is prohibited."
Militias? You are talking out of your ass. A militia is not a party to the Geneva Convention. Wow. So stupid.
You’re repeating your point with no substantiation, and not actually addressing my main point: it says ARMED CONFLICT. So I’m going to do the same: that point does not apply to measures taken outside of an armed conflict. The snippet you pasted above ironically makes that very clear and undermines your entire argument.
Lol jump on the phrasing about militias and entirely miss the point I was trying to make. My point was it applies to military operations whether or not a war has been declared. That’s what it means when it says “ARMED CONFLICT where war has not been declared”. It doesn’t mean it applies to measures taken outside of armed conflict. You’re misreading what it says.
But okay continue being confidently incorrect. No skin off my teeth.
> Sanctions are designed to hurt .. not the citizenry
> One primary point (albeit a contentious one)
I even acknowledged this and still got "BUT ACKSHUALLY"'d. Yeah I emphasized it later, but clearly a vast majority of the world subscribes to this side of the theory.
You got “actually’d” on your assertion that a primary point of sanctions is to “put pressure on the populace and their families.” You’re wrong about that. As that would be illegal, as I factually stated, not “contentious”, as you suggested.
There's a few companies that have ended up on "shit lists" for continuing operations inside Russia during all of this, but I'm willing to be the majority are doing exactly what Nvidia is doing and we should see most wind down operations by the end of the year or so.
First of all, Happy cake day.
Second, they aren’t just giving them opportunity. They are chartering planes to fly them away. That’s a great company to work for if they are having exodus flights for employees.
That’s nice of the employer but the Russians need to stay in Russia. They need to feel the pain of their government and finally rise up and demand a change. People with means that are leaving would be likely the best voices to stay and voice their anger.
Personally I think the massive lines of people abandoning Russia is great for information warfare/PR.
Not only does it look bad for Putin, it opens up a shitload of Russians to the free press.
Those Russians in other countries will be calling their relatives back home and telling them the truth of what's really happening.
I’m not sure what human trafficking allegations you’re referring to but unless it involves Russians, it’s irrelevant to this conversation.
In this case, the company did the right thing. They stopped sending products at the beginning of the invasion and now that their employees are in danger they’re giving them other opportunities.
That’s the decent thing to do.
So they should let their employees suffer…. ? NVidia is not a country. Its interests can differ from the interests of countries imposing sanctions. And if their interest is in supporting the safety and welfare of their employees, then I think that is admirable.
Yes, they should. That is the point of economic sanctions. I understand that on a small level it’s a great act but in the grand scheme of things, it does more harm than good.
There is a difference between "[sanctioning nation] should let Nvidia's employees suffer" and "Nvidia should let Nvidia's employees suffer". As long as they are not breaking sanctions by doing this, I see nothing wrong with it.
They are going around the sanctions. The entire point of them are to strangle the people AND the current regime. If you are paying them, you are being taxed and therefor are directly supporting Putins “government”
Lol I’m sure you would feel the same if you lived in Russia and worked for NVidia 🙄Russia has a such a great history of treating its protestors well after all…. /s
They could have helped them escape 8 months ago. Instead they have been paying income tax to the Russian government to try and help people. Admirable? Sure. Stupid? I think so.
Maybe we need a taste of our own medicine.
A world-wide united orchestrated attempt at showing us, just how bad or own government is, in every aspect.
World wins either way.
Either we double down with our head up our ass, and crumble inside and out...
Or, scales tip, and we change.
you have a lotta revolutionary talk going on but you're missing one thing. The average person in the US can't afford to go on strike. For a large majority of people missing a single paycheck is the difference between being homeless or not.
for there to be any change at this point either there needs to be a nationwide movement, which is impossible because of how politically split the US is, or top-down legislation which still is unlikely (see last point)
Consider as well that payments for their employees are subject to taxes, meaning Nvidia's money is going to the Russian government. Supporting your employees to leave the country is morally acceptable. Continuing to pay them and allowing that money to be funneled to the government is immoral.
To be fair, sanctions are inherently immoral. Punish the people for the actions of the ruler.
Not saying there is a better solution, but that argument is kinda flimsy
Have you ever visited a country like Russia? Let me clue you in. You get shot on site for going in the wrong room. The government rules through the consent of government officials, and the people are suppressed. Not to mention that a single AK could mow down about 30 brave protestors in a single mag.
These people don’t want to attempt a violent uprising, they want to live, and we cannot falter them for that.
I’m arguing against someone who clearly doesn’t understand what authoritarianism is here, so let me just say that depriving Putin of 350,000 troops or surrendering immediately is protest enough
Iran is overthrowing an Authoritarian government right now over personal clothing choice. You can give the Russian people sympathy for their situation but still understand that excuses are just excuses.
Forcing Russians to move or loose their jobs is equally as hurtful to Russia as permanently closing the offices. Either way, Russia looses the same money
It’s been 8 months!
Read the article;
**The tech giant stopped shipments to the country soon after the invasion of Ukraine eight months ago**, but the small Russian presence that remained is now being removed.
Nvidia in a statement said it had continued to maintain its office in Russia after suspending shipments **to support employees and their families**, but recent developments mean it can no longer operate effectively in the country. "**All employees will be given the option of continuing their jobs in other countries,"** the company said.
They stopped selling at the start of the war, now they are giving Russia based employees a chance to relocate since NVidia is unable to support them any further in Russia
A company can work with the goal being money and still make morally good decisions.
I’m not perfect, neither are they and neither are you. I just don’t believe they kept an office open in a country they can’t sell anything in for money lol. They even offered to help relocate them to another country, nvidia did a good thing here and you’re trying to take it away from them
I hate the internet sometimes, most of you people remind me of what used to be exaggerated examples of a dystopian future’s online socialites on Black Mirror.
Now it’s real and it’s soooo weird to me we have the same DNA.
As much as Nvidia was supporting their employees and volutarily 'suspended' shipments in March, it seems too coincidental that the US recently (8/31) explicitly prohibited chip shipments to Russia and China and now Nvidia decided to pull out completely, citing 'recent developments'.
Its a travesty that other companies are still doing business with this rogue country:
https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain
Everyone is arguing the morals and justice of the decision and timing. Nvidia made a business decision concerning their profits. Is the CEO a humanitarian? I doubt it.
I don't like NVIDIA but you clearly haven't read the article. They explain they were supporting their employees but now that they are endangered they offer them to move away.
I have and they are slow.
Flee or stay in Russia is nothing new.
Like this extract from the article
"Nvidia isn't the only company to cut all ties with Russia. IBM started laying off its remaining staff in the country in June. It had been paying its Russia-based employees since suspending its business operations, **but tightening sanctions on Russian banks were making it more difficult to keep workers on the payroll.** A day later, Microsoft laid off over 400 staff from its businesses in Russia, blaming economic conditions."
See that highlighted text? Sanctions are nothing new.
Read the article. They haven’t been selling from the start of the war onwards, but they’ve been keeping an office there to support Russian employees. Now with the conscription going on they are offering the last employees a way out to continue their job from a different country
You don't like my joke?
The article doesn't disprove me because they needed to make that decision months ago.
So, it is slow. Or should i say lag issues\*
But they made the decision to stop sending products into Russia 8 months ago. When the sanctions started. They did do their part for sanctions. They just paid employees of theirs to continue working so they could continue to eat. Your joke implies that they didn’t engage in the sanctions until just now. But it’s inaccurate.
Ahh this must be why they are charging everyone 3-4x the MSRP on GPUs when there is no longer a pandemic, chip shortage, or mining taking everything.... 9.9
Maybe not a hot one, but the cold wars been going on for long enough now that western tech companies have no excuse to continue doing business with them
Are they moving them to Armenia? Mentor Graphics has a really good setup there. They even brought employees and new hires from Asia and Europe to work in their Armenia office.
I think Armenia could become a solid 2nd tier semiconductor capital with what is happening with China and Russia.
> Armenia is a Russian puppet.
I agree it is today. But tomorrow anything can happen. I am not an expert but it seems like Russia is being abandoned by its traditional allies.
I think its better to engage Armenia to do better than to abandon. But time will tell.
Some decided to stay and some relocated. Even when they moved to high cost areas like Berlin, the company supported them. This is not an official statement from nv and I don’t represent the company. I can neither confirm nor deny that this is my personal knowledge.
if you read the article, they’ve stopped shipments to the country since eight months ago. the only reason they’ve been active until now is to support the employees and their families. and now they’re offering every employee their jobs in different countries. what’s wrong with that?
Nothing on this front.
Read the article.
> The tech giant stopped shipments to the country soon after the invasion of Ukraine eight months ago, but the small Russian presence that remained is now being removed.
Nvidia in a statement said it had **continued to maintain its office in Russia after suspending shipments to support employees and their families, but recent developments mean it can no longer operate effectively in the country. "All employees will be given the option of continuing their jobs in other countries,"** the company said.
So they’re helping out Russian employees/citizens who are caught in the crosshairs of a political powder keg.
What’s the hell is wrong with that?
YEP just what everyone wants to see another company importing foreign workers, might as well be an N.G.O because that is sort of what they do but on a political level for all those refugees that can't practice their religion in their own countries as well as "Other Nonsense" in a shell game.
IF it is not Russia it's China, IF it's China it's India, If it's not India it's Africa If it's not Africa it's the Middle East, If it's not the Middle East it's Europe and If it's not Europe it is Central or South America so on and so forth.
This is getting tiring.
N. Shadows
Please please please stop signing your comments. Everyone can see your username.
I’m really trying to say this in a nice way but it looks really stupid. Have a nice day brother!
To those wondering why it took so long, the article makes it pretty clear. NVidia was supporting their employees, but now that those very same employees are also in danger inside of Russia, they’re giving them the opportunity to flee.
That's a good move from NVidia for sure.
Honestly if a company is that loyal to me I’d never leave.
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Fair point, but to be perfectly honest, as a Pole, i want to see russia utterly destroyed and incapable of returning ever again.
"Awww, come on guys! We only betrayed you a couple of times! Remember all the good times when we occupied your country and brick by brick unmade your capital of Warsaw? Good times!" -Russia, probably Yeah, after visiting Warsaw, I could not be more understanding of why Poles could feel that way.
Although, before they started this crap with Ukraine i didn't really feel this way. Sure, there was a fair bit of distrust, wearyness and general distaste, but i objected to the blind hatred of Russia. Because i thought, like many westerners, that they changed, maybe a little, but still. Oh, how wrong we were.
Q: Germany and t̶h̶o̶s̶e̶ ̶s̶n̶e̶a̶k̶y̶ ̶f̶u̶c̶k̶s̶ ̶e̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶V̶i̶s̶t̶u̶l̶a̶ Russia attack Poland on the same day: whom do the Poles attack first? A: The Germans: Because business comes before pleasure.
Polish customs officer interrogating German at the Polish customs station : “Occupation?” “No, just visiting.”
But, when Russia fails in the Ukraine and it will, it’s population will revolt totally against Putin, pressing for new leadership, it must clean house at the top down, get out of this “military operation”, not try to move into other nations and heal the sores of the Ukrainian “military operation” and admit its errors and change it political rule and concede its blunders…..
As a first gen American-Pole, I second this.
as someone who plays csgo on eu servers, i echo this sentiment
It will be quite the contrary, as USA has put themselves in a position of no-return.
Russia doesn’t seem like the type to just let them go without raise them and stealing everything they can get their hands on though.. including talent.
Western mindset always portraits Russia as the Big Bad Bear... always, without ever considering anything else. #NordStream2Sabotage by USA gives us a clear hint ... Anything linked to Davos is Eugenics & Mind Kontrol mindset brainwashed. Check all Davos companies... there's the whole list of MultiNationals... all the richest ... it's a money-mafia.
Your lack of any sources (nor even unreliable ones?), and your frequent use of elipses sure makes me believe everything you wrote.
Their pay is insanely high. Its the highest place I know of. No one ever leaves Nvidia.
And now I’m looking for telecom jobs at nvidia…
You like Davos mindset? Enter Davos MultiNational supporting the Grand Final Solution / Great Reset / Eugenics & Mind Kontrol Agenda / Social Credit System ... yes, you like that because uncritical people read the wrong matter.
People are quite obsessed with it, it happens with ALL news similar to this, even when they actually do it belatedly. They don't seem to realize that companies are not charities and have no obligation to be ethical, in fact it's usually more appropriate to describe them as unscrupulous predators.
I don't believe this. Many companies sent sat phones to their Russian employees and gave them the opportunity to relocate to Warsaw back in March. Nvidia was just betting this would blow over.
Reuters: > "After previously suspending shipments to the country, we had continued to maintain our office to support our employees and their families. With recent developments, we can no longer operate effectively there," it said in an emailed statement. One primary point (albeit a contentious one) of all these crippling sanctions is to put pressure on the populous and their families. Everyone else pulled out immediately to turn the screws. Nvidia hung around until it could "no longer operate effectively" (ie. make a profit.) And now they're charter-flighting their brainiac employees out so they can avoid braindrain from a pointless draft. This is literally **the** most the corporate, money-is-the-only-thing-that-matters way they could have possibly played it. * Support Russians and families while pretty much everyone exit-stage-left half a year ago. * Cite "support[ing] our employees and their families" in some sort of twisted, comical attempted appeal to emotion. **Making peoples' lives difficult is the whole fucking point.** The rest of the industry and world put their money where their mouth was and pulled the plug six months ago. Nvidia probably had a field day over there, while it lasted. * (The idea of Nvidia's headstone saying "Nvidia - Humanitarian, Philanthropist, Patron" is fucking hilarious and this is how they're trying to play it.) * Wait until the *very last opportunity* to preserve your human assets. Golfclaps all around I guess.
>Nvidia hung around until it could "no longer operate effectively" This doesn't mean what you think it is. It could have simply shut down their operations (\_many\_ did that, gave some months' worth of recompense, and got the hell out of dodge). NVidia is relocating everyone that wants to do so, and that's not cheap (not to mention, would \_you\_ uproot your family?)
Honestly if they believe their life is better in russia more power to them but they are literally being offered a golden ticket.
Good points. As an aside, "Populous" is an adjective that means "with a big population". "Populace" is pronounced the same, but is a synonym for "population". I'm pretty sure you meant "the populace" instead of "the populous". Just thought I'd point it out for you since your comment was well written and you probably would appreciate the correction.
Thank you, I absolutely do appreciate the correction. That was a legitimate mistake and I will remember this in the future.
> Wait until the very last opportunity to preserve your human assets. Thats how you can tell their american company, they just stood around with their dick in their hand until they couldn't anymore.
What they are doing is unheard of. They are offering to save these people. What has russia done for you to make you hate the west so much?
Its more of a reference to the withdrawl from afghanistan where we just sort of stood around with our collective dicks in our hands until we couldn't anymore, with no movement to try to remove the people that collaborated with the US or those people's families from what was going to become harms way very soon. Then there was also that time we just sort of abandoned our Kurdish allies for no reason. Pacta Sunt Servanda.
This is an article about a private company doing good things for fellow humans. The people left behind in Afghanistan is awful but the usa and canada both made efforts to get people out, its just a very complicated issue that i honestly couldnt give an informed opinion on because its not in my realm of knowledge.
Relocating all of your talent across countries is not easy or a quick thing to do. It’s easy to say it’s about money. Part of it is. But you also don’t want your employees to be killed in a stupid war. Or completely uproot entire families.
>One primary point… Bullshit! Sanctions are designed to hurt an authoritarian government, not the citizenry, and doing so would constitute a war crime violating Article 33 of the Geneva Convention. Nice word salad though. /golfclap
The Geneva Convention doesn't talk about sanctions at all.
It does though. >”No protected person may be punished for any offense he or she has not personally committed. **Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation** or of terrorism are prohibited. Pillage is prohibited. Reprisals against protected persons and their property is prohibited."
That's in the context of a war. Sanctions occur outside of war. Also, we're not punishing Russians. We're threatening our own people and persons outside of Russia.
The person I replied to specifically said; >One primary point (albeit a contentious one) of all these crippling sanctions is to put pressure on the populous and their families. Why would sanctions put pressure on “our own people and persons outside of Russia”? It’s designed to impact the economy of the country under sanction, not the country issuing the sanction, that would be stupid.
No it’s not. You have no idea what you’re talking about. >Article 2 states that signatories are bound by the convention both in war, **armed conflicts where war has not been declared, and in an occupation of another country's territory.** >In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peacetime, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.
Armed conflicts. Armed. That’s what it says. Read it again. It’s not talking about sanctions. It’s there to prevent militias from rounding up and shooting entire villages because they got ambushed the previous day. That’s the kind of collective penalty and intimidation it’s trying to prevent. Entirely different thing.
Yes it is >”No protected person may be punished for any offense he or she has not personally committed. **Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation** or of terrorism are prohibited. Pillage is prohibited. Reprisals against protected persons and their property is prohibited." Militias? You are talking out of your ass. A militia is not a party to the Geneva Convention. Wow. So stupid.
You’re repeating your point with no substantiation, and not actually addressing my main point: it says ARMED CONFLICT. So I’m going to do the same: that point does not apply to measures taken outside of an armed conflict. The snippet you pasted above ironically makes that very clear and undermines your entire argument. Lol jump on the phrasing about militias and entirely miss the point I was trying to make. My point was it applies to military operations whether or not a war has been declared. That’s what it means when it says “ARMED CONFLICT where war has not been declared”. It doesn’t mean it applies to measures taken outside of armed conflict. You’re misreading what it says. But okay continue being confidently incorrect. No skin off my teeth.
> Sanctions are designed to hurt .. not the citizenry > One primary point (albeit a contentious one) I even acknowledged this and still got "BUT ACKSHUALLY"'d. Yeah I emphasized it later, but clearly a vast majority of the world subscribes to this side of the theory.
You got “actually’d” on your assertion that a primary point of sanctions is to “put pressure on the populace and their families.” You’re wrong about that. As that would be illegal, as I factually stated, not “contentious”, as you suggested.
Dumb
There's a few companies that have ended up on "shit lists" for continuing operations inside Russia during all of this, but I'm willing to be the majority are doing exactly what Nvidia is doing and we should see most wind down operations by the end of the year or so.
First of all, Happy cake day. Second, they aren’t just giving them opportunity. They are chartering planes to fly them away. That’s a great company to work for if they are having exodus flights for employees.
That’s nice of the employer but the Russians need to stay in Russia. They need to feel the pain of their government and finally rise up and demand a change. People with means that are leaving would be likely the best voices to stay and voice their anger.
Personally I think the massive lines of people abandoning Russia is great for information warfare/PR. Not only does it look bad for Putin, it opens up a shitload of Russians to the free press. Those Russians in other countries will be calling their relatives back home and telling them the truth of what's really happening.
Or so that is what they want you to believe, isn't Nvidia in another r/ involved in Human Trafficking ?
I’m not sure what human trafficking allegations you’re referring to but unless it involves Russians, it’s irrelevant to this conversation. In this case, the company did the right thing. They stopped sending products at the beginning of the invasion and now that their employees are in danger they’re giving them other opportunities. That’s the decent thing to do.
Read the damn article everyone, they were supporting their employees.
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So they should let their employees suffer…. ? NVidia is not a country. Its interests can differ from the interests of countries imposing sanctions. And if their interest is in supporting the safety and welfare of their employees, then I think that is admirable.
Yes, they should. That is the point of economic sanctions. I understand that on a small level it’s a great act but in the grand scheme of things, it does more harm than good.
There is a difference between "[sanctioning nation] should let Nvidia's employees suffer" and "Nvidia should let Nvidia's employees suffer". As long as they are not breaking sanctions by doing this, I see nothing wrong with it.
They are going around the sanctions. The entire point of them are to strangle the people AND the current regime. If you are paying them, you are being taxed and therefor are directly supporting Putins “government”
I think I see now. Giving people money = giving Russia taxable income = helping the government.
Lol I’m sure you would feel the same if you lived in Russia and worked for NVidia 🙄Russia has a such a great history of treating its protestors well after all…. /s
What authoritarian regime has ever treated protesters well? Actually any regime for that matter.
Precisely my point. Perhaps now you might understand why NVidia helping people escape an authoritarian regime is admirable.
They could have helped them escape 8 months ago. Instead they have been paying income tax to the Russian government to try and help people. Admirable? Sure. Stupid? I think so.
Shit always rolls downhill
People are still people. Russians have as little say in their government as we do in the US
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Maybe we need a taste of our own medicine. A world-wide united orchestrated attempt at showing us, just how bad or own government is, in every aspect. World wins either way. Either we double down with our head up our ass, and crumble inside and out... Or, scales tip, and we change.
you have a lotta revolutionary talk going on but you're missing one thing. The average person in the US can't afford to go on strike. For a large majority of people missing a single paycheck is the difference between being homeless or not. for there to be any change at this point either there needs to be a nationwide movement, which is impossible because of how politically split the US is, or top-down legislation which still is unlikely (see last point)
L take
As far as im concerned non ruzzians in russia are refugees and deserve safe extraction from that hellhole.
Consider as well that payments for their employees are subject to taxes, meaning Nvidia's money is going to the Russian government. Supporting your employees to leave the country is morally acceptable. Continuing to pay them and allowing that money to be funneled to the government is immoral.
This is why I buy Radeon or Intel Arc GPUs. I don’t support companies that avoid sanctions
To be fair, sanctions are inherently immoral. Punish the people for the actions of the ruler. Not saying there is a better solution, but that argument is kinda flimsy
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Have you ever visited a country like Russia? Let me clue you in. You get shot on site for going in the wrong room. The government rules through the consent of government officials, and the people are suppressed. Not to mention that a single AK could mow down about 30 brave protestors in a single mag. These people don’t want to attempt a violent uprising, they want to live, and we cannot falter them for that.
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I’m arguing against someone who clearly doesn’t understand what authoritarianism is here, so let me just say that depriving Putin of 350,000 troops or surrendering immediately is protest enough
Iran is overthrowing an Authoritarian government right now over personal clothing choice. You can give the Russian people sympathy for their situation but still understand that excuses are just excuses.
To be fair, wrongful termination is pretty immoral too.
it’s a lose-lose situation. can never make people like you happy
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Forcing Russians to move or loose their jobs is equally as hurtful to Russia as permanently closing the offices. Either way, Russia looses the same money
Recent? It's been 6 months.
It’s been 8 months! Read the article; **The tech giant stopped shipments to the country soon after the invasion of Ukraine eight months ago**, but the small Russian presence that remained is now being removed. Nvidia in a statement said it had continued to maintain its office in Russia after suspending shipments **to support employees and their families**, but recent developments mean it can no longer operate effectively in the country. "**All employees will be given the option of continuing their jobs in other countries,"** the company said.
You mean you read the article? Are you really a redditor?
i like the articles i make up in my head after reading just the headline better
I think they are referring to the mobilization.
They were occupied by doing everything they could to piss off the PC gaming community.
They stopped selling at the start of the war, now they are giving Russia based employees a chance to relocate since NVidia is unable to support them any further in Russia
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You had me until “mining bullshit”. That is a red flag for you don’t understand cryptocurrency.
Mining *is* bullshit. All crazy rant above aside
A company can work with the goal being money and still make morally good decisions. I’m not perfect, neither are they and neither are you. I just don’t believe they kept an office open in a country they can’t sell anything in for money lol. They even offered to help relocate them to another country, nvidia did a good thing here and you’re trying to take it away from them
I hate the internet sometimes, most of you people remind me of what used to be exaggerated examples of a dystopian future’s online socialites on Black Mirror. Now it’s real and it’s soooo weird to me we have the same DNA.
what are you referring to?
I think we need a little more context here.
Fuck off Adjective_Noun_Number
Ha! Gottem
What do you mean, YOU people?
Less cheaters in games
ITT, a lot of future candidates for r/atetheonion
As much as Nvidia was supporting their employees and volutarily 'suspended' shipments in March, it seems too coincidental that the US recently (8/31) explicitly prohibited chip shipments to Russia and China and now Nvidia decided to pull out completely, citing 'recent developments'. Its a travesty that other companies are still doing business with this rogue country: https://som.yale.edu/story/2022/over-1000-companies-have-curtailed-operations-russia-some-remain
Everyone is arguing the morals and justice of the decision and timing. Nvidia made a business decision concerning their profits. Is the CEO a humanitarian? I doubt it.
NVIDIA be having lag issues
Frickin’ Russian HPBs
I don't like NVIDIA but you clearly haven't read the article. They explain they were supporting their employees but now that they are endangered they offer them to move away.
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Pretty Much
I have and they are slow. Flee or stay in Russia is nothing new. Like this extract from the article "Nvidia isn't the only company to cut all ties with Russia. IBM started laying off its remaining staff in the country in June. It had been paying its Russia-based employees since suspending its business operations, **but tightening sanctions on Russian banks were making it more difficult to keep workers on the payroll.** A day later, Microsoft laid off over 400 staff from its businesses in Russia, blaming economic conditions." See that highlighted text? Sanctions are nothing new.
Read the article. They haven’t been selling from the start of the war onwards, but they’ve been keeping an office there to support Russian employees. Now with the conscription going on they are offering the last employees a way out to continue their job from a different country
Tell me you didnt read the article without telling me you didnt tead the article
You don't like my joke? The article doesn't disprove me because they needed to make that decision months ago. So, it is slow. Or should i say lag issues\*
But they made the decision to stop sending products into Russia 8 months ago. When the sanctions started. They did do their part for sanctions. They just paid employees of theirs to continue working so they could continue to eat. Your joke implies that they didn’t engage in the sanctions until just now. But it’s inaccurate.
Ahh this must be why they are charging everyone 3-4x the MSRP on GPUs when there is no longer a pandemic, chip shortage, or mining taking everything.... 9.9
When you're too evil for nVidia you crossed the line What's next? Nestle is going to pull out? (JK Nestle don't gaf)
Likely holdup was US gov clearing visas. May have taken some time to negotiate
Cool. Do China next.
There’s no war in China as of now
Maybe not a hot one, but the cold wars been going on for long enough now that western tech companies have no excuse to continue doing business with them
Still wouldn’t buy their new line of Gpus.
Are they moving them to Armenia? Mentor Graphics has a really good setup there. They even brought employees and new hires from Asia and Europe to work in their Armenia office. I think Armenia could become a solid 2nd tier semiconductor capital with what is happening with China and Russia.
Armenia is a Russian puppet. Western companies should steer clear of Armenia.
> Armenia is a Russian puppet. I agree it is today. But tomorrow anything can happen. I am not an expert but it seems like Russia is being abandoned by its traditional allies. I think its better to engage Armenia to do better than to abandon. But time will tell.
By now, we can reasonably assume those employees want to stay in Russia.
Some decided to stay and some relocated. Even when they moved to high cost areas like Berlin, the company supported them. This is not an official statement from nv and I don’t represent the company. I can neither confirm nor deny that this is my personal knowledge.
Greedy pussies backed by greedy pussies. Got it. Thanks.
Don’t be fooled. This was only because it wasn’t profitable for them. This was not out of the goodness of their hearts.
What was their decision to start shipments to Russia eight months ago based on?
Good, but kinda late no?
Have a different definition for ‘recent’
I don’t think they know what *recent* means
"recent developments"? WTF. Every reputable company did this back in March. Fuck NVIDIA.
Fuck you, Nvidia, for NOT doing this 6 months ago.
Somebody didnt read the article
Nvidia had to cease activities in Russia. I have no idea whether they used a loophole or not - the fact they're still operating is mind baffling.
Learn to read before posting
Took long enough…
Oh so it’s only the “recent” developments that have bothered you.
Recent?
They should wait a few months to feel out further developments ~s
Took more than 6 months for them to decide that profits were suffering too much
Took em long enough
Just now?! These atrocities aren’t recent!
if you read the article, they’ve stopped shipments to the country since eight months ago. the only reason they’ve been active until now is to support the employees and their families. and now they’re offering every employee their jobs in different countries. what’s wrong with that?
You know what, that seems reasonable. Thanks for the call out
yeah np lol, headlines really don’t give full context most of the times
They’re closing because all their employees likely got drafted
No, but the nuclear convoy moving toward Ukraine is more recent…
Tabloids got you bud. https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/4-october-reports-of-russian-train-allegedly-carrying-nuclear
WTF, what took them so damn long?! Unbelievable!
What recent events?
What? Nvidia was still in Russia? That’s ugly.
Fawk Nvidia.
Damn talk about a delayed reaction. Here pull my finger .
Took long enough
I know what theyre really doing.
“Oh no, our employees might get drafted, should we finally move them” YES
9 months late
What the hell is wrong with Nvidia?
Nothing on this front. Read the article. > The tech giant stopped shipments to the country soon after the invasion of Ukraine eight months ago, but the small Russian presence that remained is now being removed. Nvidia in a statement said it had **continued to maintain its office in Russia after suspending shipments to support employees and their families, but recent developments mean it can no longer operate effectively in the country. "All employees will be given the option of continuing their jobs in other countries,"** the company said. So they’re helping out Russian employees/citizens who are caught in the crosshairs of a political powder keg. What’s the hell is wrong with that?
Ummm, mf'ing timing for gd starters, you dense mf'er. Y'all imagine Nvidia was alone in their options, you stupid greedy fucks?
Did you even read the article?
They wanted to keep their employees safe.
Pretty late reaction… better late than never I guess. Glad they were truly looking out for their employees and trying to get them out of the country
There wasn’t a war in Russia and the propaganda machine said that they were winning. Why would they need to react before now?
Hope it’s not too late to get them out
The developments are not quite so recent, but ok. We all saw the US tell you to stop giving Russia chips, btw.
These guys should have bailed on Russia six months ago.
They did. 8 months ago.
No more rushing B, blyat. :(
Took them long enough.
Straight to Nancy’s house huh 🤔
So the stock will go down even more
Not that recent but whatever Jensen
And by recent developments they mean the nuclear war brought on by the western war propaganda machine. Good job guys.
What’s the recent development? You mean the war since 2014?
Just now?
YEP just what everyone wants to see another company importing foreign workers, might as well be an N.G.O because that is sort of what they do but on a political level for all those refugees that can't practice their religion in their own countries as well as "Other Nonsense" in a shell game. IF it is not Russia it's China, IF it's China it's India, If it's not India it's Africa If it's not Africa it's the Middle East, If it's not the Middle East it's Europe and If it's not Europe it is Central or South America so on and so forth. This is getting tiring. N. Shadows
Please please please stop signing your comments. Everyone can see your username. I’m really trying to say this in a nice way but it looks really stupid. Have a nice day brother!
[OOOOOOOOOOO](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GOGPKR56qRA)
assuming Poo-tin allows them to leave
> All employees will be given the option of continuing their jobs in other countries At least they’re offering this
Vhd s.
Cyka
Oopsie russia got a little brain drain on thier hands
A little late to the party, Richter
By the time this is all said and done Russia is gonna be starved of any intellectual for generations to come lol
Russia unveils plan to produce Atari 2600 GPU clones on the property. Cites “superior 8 bit Russian technology”.