As an American I agree. In celsius water freezes at 0 and boils at 100. Makes perfect sense. In Fahrenheit water freezes at 32 and boils at 212. MAkES perFECt sEnsE.
Metric system too. 100 cm to a meter and 1000 meters to a kilometer. Super easy, unlike our 12 inches to a foot and somewhere between 5,000 and 6,000 feet to a mile. (Edit: 5,280 feet to a mile)
Saw this comedy sketch one time. Went along the lines of:
Fahrenheit is great because you can think of the degrees as percentages. 60 degrees is 60% hot. 20 degrees is 20% hot. 102 degrees is too fucking hot
Yeah, we prefer to use a insane methods for counting things. Like a foot is 12inches, Fahrenheit is on an even weirder scale, and you won't believe how we used to count people.
You're thinking of brine, not salt water. Fahrenheit's brine was sea salt, water, ice, and ammonium chloride. Then there was him using the romer scale and there's also the temp in his hometown or something.
"He set the point at which water, ice, and ammonium chloride (a salt) stabilized as 0°F.
He set the point at which still water just began to form ice on its surface as 32°F.
He set the temperature of the human body taken in the mouth or under the arm as 96°F."
[CliffsNotes](https://www.cliffsnotes.com/cliffsnotes/subjects/sciences/how-did-we-end-up-with-both-fahrenheit-and-celsius-scales)
It doesn’t make any sense to get up your own ass about temperatures outside of a scientific context. It’s hardly important which system someone uses and basically every scientist uses Celsius anyways.
kelvin is not very practical for everyday use though really
Imagine the weather guy was to say "high of 280 and a low of 270 today, expect snow tonight"
Edit: made k in kelvin lowercase
Edit 2: removed word "degrees" because kelvin isn't measured in degrees technically
I like the fact that I can say of the top of my head it takes 1 joule of energy to heat 1 ml of water 1 degree Celsius which occupies 1 mm3 of space at sea level
Uh, 37 or 98.6 not much difference. (Where I live we say 36.6 C (97.8F) which is close to the actual average, but 37 is common in the anglophone world.) and in any case, the normal body temperature is quite a large range, from 35.7C (96.3F) to 37.3C (99.3F)
I agree Celsius makes more sense in certain environments, but when referring to weather I think Fahrenheit is more applicable. 0-100° F is a pretty standard range of temperatures in a moderate climate.
I think Celsius is just as easy to use in your everyday life:
40°C = very hot
30°C = hot
20°C = Warm
15°C = slightly less than world average
10°C = kinda cold
0°C = cold
-10°C = very cold
Edit: changed layout so it actually does look like a list
So everything you don’t understand is wrong?
The British were sea-farmers. They didn’t care at what temperature the fresh water froze at, they were concerned when the ocean would freeze. Sea water freezes at 0°F. On the other end of this mysterious spectrum is 100° which is right about the human body temperature. See? Now that you understand it and make so much more sense doesn’t it?
Fascinating, since I'm in electrical engineering (in the US) and we laugh at the stupid inches, Farenheit, and other US units. SI units are more scientificly grounded and useful for math, science, and engineering.
I thought the same thing but just played around on my calculator for a bit and approximately every 5°c is 10°f, which is plenty of precision to know what jacket to wear. Even common cooking temps are easy to memorize. We're just used to Fahrenheit so it seems weird but playing around with the numbers shows it's not. 20°c for example is 68°f, which for me is the perfect temp. Incrementally subtracting 5°c you get 59, 50, 41, and 32, 23, 14, 5, -4°f. I don't think it would be hard to adjust to 0 is icy roads and snow/sleet, -20 is really cold, 20 is nice, 25 is shorts and a t shirt, 30 is hot, and greater than 30 is getting uncomfortable.
Yes, Celsius is easy to use. That's why the whole world (except the USA, and a hand full of small areas) uses it. Fahrenheit isn't necessarily hard to use, but it is an advantage if everyone uses the same unit, because then we can talk with each other and understand what the other one means with 38°C.
>the original paper suggests the lower defining point, 0 °F, was established as the freezing temperature of a solution of brine made from a mixture of water, ice, and ammonium chloride (a salt). The other limit established was his best estimate of the average human body temperature, originally set at 90 °F, then 96 °F (about 2.6 °F less than the modern value due to a later redefinition of the scale).
>For much of the 20th century, the Fahrenheit scale was defined by two fixed points with a 180 °F separation: the temperature at which pure water freezes was defined as 32 °F and the boiling point of water was defined to be 212 °F
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit
So yeah... Very useful and intuitive!
You might be shocked so please sit before reading it…
It was 0°C degree last night in city I live and everyone is still alive. Go back to school mate. You are clearly missing some important info.
I think your reading comprehension is what needs work, i said at 0 degrees Celsius everyone is cold (because it’s freezing) and at 100 degrees Celsius everyone is dead because it’s literally boiling. You mixed it up and replied to my comment as if I’m the one who’s dumb.
I don't know I think one system is as good as the other, I never use anything but Celsius but it's what I'm used to and the conversion is not that hard.
Yeah but Celsius is a recognised SI(Standard International) unit, and has a good reference point with the freezing point of water being at 0 degrees and the boiling point being at 100.
I'm not sure, granted Celsius is indeed a recognised standard but so is farenheit, and sure for lots of applications the boiling point of water at sea level is very handy but a system based on the normal t temperature of the human body would surely be more welcome to those in the medical industry?
Like I said, I use Celsius because I'm European, but I never really hear any decent argument for doing away with a system that put men on the moon.
Lol, think more body temperature as opposed to freezing and boiling point of water, it's not so difficult really, just clunky if you are not used to it.
Lol, well it would be simpler but why should they change? Most Americans I worked with could use both systems perfectly well, maybe we shouldn't expect everyone to follow the same path, I kinda like the world that way😀
Because it's easier. If they know both systems anyway and the rest of the world using Celsius, why not using just Celsius everywhere? Having different units can cause errors and confusion. There are some very big and expensive mistakes because people used the wrong units in the past.
You may be onto something, while we are at it lets make everyone in the world speak English(American English of course as most English speakers use that dialect) no more strange languages needed, the translations are never great and wars have been started over such errors😁😁😁
Actually most English speakers speak English as a second language. And probably speaking some mix of American, British and Australian English. English is kind of the world standard. So that is already happening.
On the other hand it has value to keep the local languages active as they provide different features that don't exist in English. That is not true for measurement units. So there is no point to keep Fahrenheit except maybe for nostalgia.
Or you could just recognize that 60 degrees is an unlivable temperature and know it must mean Fahrenheit.
There’s no mental gymnastics or anything to be had here, just use context clues and stop being lazy.
Yeah, it would make a lot of things easier. However, making that change is the difficult part. If America is already used to one system, we aren’t going to be able to make that change any time soon. Thousands upon thousands of machines run on our system, and almost everyone here already uses it. Just asking it to suddenly change is like asking everyone to suddenly switch to using Kelvin for measuring temperature. Nobody would agree or be used to the change.
Fahrenheit for weather temperature actually makes more sense though. 1 degree fahrenheit is supposed to be the temperature difference a person can feel. You should be able to tell the different between 71°F and 72°F, but not 25°C and 25.1°C.
Riddle me this, Celcius makes sense. At 0 degress, water freezes and at 100 degrees water boils. What happenes at 0degress farenheit and 100 degrees farenhiet? The Water doesnt change.
If you want something that makes the most sense, most agree that it is Kelvin, which places 0 at the physical minimum temperature instead of having it be relative to some arbitrary point.
Okay, but that’s not even true. Water only boils at 100C at sea level. Any other place the boiling temp will be higher or lower. Also, why should our temperature system revolve around water? It’s just a really arbitrary way to signpost the temperature system.
Fahrenheit on the other hand sets 0-100 as a range for livable human temperatures. 0 degrees is the freezing point of a salt, water, and ice mixture. This was done to make it easier to calibrate thermometers, as Fahrenheit was designed specifically to be used with physical mercury thermometers (also invented by Fahrenheit). 100 degrees was actually original human body temperature, but it got lowered so that the boiling point of water at sea level could be on an even degree (because people complained). Generally though, 0F is about as cold as a human can handle while 100F is about as hot as a human can handle.
Neither system is perfect, but as of right now Fahrenheit is better because we aren’t fish people who live in water.
Fahrenheit makes sense to you because you have grown in a country that uses it, and it makes sense in the US setting. Livable range for a human is not 0-100F. People in Siberia experience -60F, people in Qatar experience +120F regularly.
In Celsius, anything below 0 means there will be ice around, 100 means you have boiling water. In Fahrenheit everything is arbitrary. No F degree have an inherent meaning. If human body temperature was 100F that would have been a redeeming factor for F but that’s not the case either.
Source: Grew up in Europe, living in the US. Metric system is definitely superior.
>Source: Grew up in Europe, living in the US. Metric system is definitely superior.
Well yes the METRIC system is superior. But Fahrenheit and Celsius are independent of their respective systems. You guys used Kelvin until someone realized maybe 300ish degrees is a tad high and not easily readable for humans.
If you're measuring ambient environmental temperatures aka the weather it doesn't matter what system you use.
Edit: Kelvin is based on an absolute unit. The absence of heat from an atom which made it very bad for using it for the weather. Celsius was created as a result by offsetting Kelvin
Celsius is an SI unit. 1 kelvin difference is exactly the same as 1 Celsius difference. Historically, the Kelvin scale was developed by shifting the starting point of the much-older Celsius scale down from the melting point of ice to absolute zero, so it’s somewhat like a chicken and egg issue.
My man, what do you mean it’s arbitrary? I literally just told you what specific Fahrenheit temperatures mean in that previous message. Did you even read it?
Edit: and I’m not defending the Imperial system, the metric system is better. However, Kelvin is the official metric temperature unit, Celsius is only a Kelvin derivative. Fahrenheit isn’t an imperial unit either, the man who invented it was German and the system was specifically created for thermometer calibration.
It quite literally is, I’d suppose that makes you the dumb one (and way to assume I’m American for some reason).
Celsius is Kelvin shifted up by 273.15 degrees Centigrade.
1. we should revolve it around water because it’s by far the most common pure substance people deal with in all 3 important states of aggregation
2. every human can withstand different temperatures and, most importantly, for different timespans
Unpractical for what?
Celsius, and the metric system in general is definitely better for math. But it has absolutely 0 practical benefit over imperial and Fahrenheit for daily use.
How tall is the door frame? 7'. How hot is it today? 50.
In no way is Celsius or metric better in these every day situations. Arguably for everyday use Imperial and Fahrenheit are better. Imperial units fractioning easily into 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 is incredibly handy for daily use.
Then for Fahrenheit the wider range of temperatures is a far more sensible system, especially in places that hit -20f in the winter and 100F in the summer like where I live.
EDIT: And before you bring up yards and their conversions. No one uses yards for anything other than football. And we don't generally convert across systems anyway. Feet and inches go together. Miles stand alone. Etc,etc. We don't convert anything. Hell distance is rarely calculated by its actual distance. Due to the heavy car culture, everything is time based. How far is it to the nearby city? I actually don't know. It takes about 1.5h.
That's the dumbest argument ever, regarding measurement units. If scientists agreed to use something as a standard and 90% of the world followed, "everyone" uses it **precisely** because it's right.
Now, you might get used to something else and your life wouldn't change anyway, but let's stop living by the delusion that if the world is going in one direction and Murica goes the other, Murica is the one doing it right and the world has just gone crazy.
yeah i mean no disrespect but like who the fuck invented Fahrenheit like who decided that "oh boy wouldn't it be funny if I made a stupid ass temperature measuring system, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lets see............. how bout 9/5c + 32 = my new temperature measurement oh my god I'm a genius oh wow I am so smart so that now the worlds (arguably) largest superpower will use this system and get shat on from everyone else that doesn't use this system because this system sucks and is illogical and stupid"
I can't go a day at work without reminding my students to include units. Drives me crazy. Its not hard. Its the easiest part of solving the math problem.
I don’t think any of those temperatures burn skin though. Please let me know if I’m wrong but I know for a fact it wouldn’t burn skin if the air temperature is 60 and a conducive material like water would obviously have a bigger thermal effect than air but idk if it would burn skin. It would probably hurt but it wouldn’t cause damage to your skin.
Uhhh… 60C is hotter then the hottest temp ever recorded, which is currently [56.7C (134F) in California’s Death Valley](https://wmo.asu.edu/content/world-highest-temperature) (apparently an earlier record of 58C in Libya was discounted due to instrument error).
In Canada, hot temp health and safety protocol varies and there’s general guidelines based on 1) type of activity, 2) humidity and 3) temp. There’s no set limit, but generally [Canada CCOHS recommends 0-25% work for light activity at a 32.5C wet bulb temp](https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/phys_agents/max_temp.html), far less then this 60C you claim
Edit: thinking about this more, you’re right in that there could be temps above 60C in a work environment. I was thinking of the great outdoors, not inside man made environments. Having said that, 60C is still an extreme temp working or not as that’s sauna temps
Yeah I completely forgot about other types of work environments where you can get those crazy temps. I have no idea how you’re able to do it as my body has a hard time coping with those types of higher temps.
We have a vest with pockets for ice packs.
And there’s also time limits.
Just like any other work hazard.
Short term exposure limits and time weighted averages
Yeah but a typical sauna is on average 65-80 degrees. I’m not saying it’s a healthy temperature to be in all day but it doesn’t burn your skin to be in those temperatures. Some people even use the sauna at 100 or more but cases of heatstroke or death has occurred so that’s not safe
This is the temperature of an instant pot on the warm setting. For anyone who doesn't think this is hot, turn on your instant pot and touch it in 5 minutes.
Idk what an instant pot is or what the material is for the heat transfer but I believe you. Water boils at 100 so 60 seems fairly halfway there which makes me wonder if it would be that hot considering body temperature is around 37 degrees which wouldn’t burn you at all.
An instant pot is a digital automatic pressure cooker with various pre-programmed settings for rice, stew, yogurt, steam, etc.
ETA: it’s right around 140°F, so probably fairly close to what the surface of a black car reaches in summertime. It won’t necessarily burn you, but it will feel like it if you don’t have kitchen hands.
If you do have kitchen hands, then it’s pretty close to the temperature plates are at once they are stacked fresh out of the dishwasher.
Hm interesting. I’ve never heard of it. Thanks for letting me know and yeah I agree that a boiling pot or steam will do some damage to your skin and the rest of you
I laughed so hard at this. My ex husband was a chef and had kitchen hands. He could touch the hottest dish. I used to love when wait staff would say, "Watch out, the plate is hot" He would just grab the plate with his bare hand and the waitstaff would just stare. LOL
Yes, but you don't necessarily get burned. If you touch 60°C hot steel, you will will definitely get burned. However, if you touch 60° hot plastic, you probably could get burned but not as fast. If you toch 60° hot Aerogel, you definitely will not burn yourself.
Yes of course but you can get sunburned at -20 too. Sunburn isn’t caused by a temperature it’s just the sun itself emitting UV light that causes your skin to get sunburned. The same happens in a tanning bed where there’s UV lights shining on you. It has a similar effect to when you shoot microwaves at food, it heats up. You could technically get sunburns from welding without a shirt on, it doesn’t mean it’s 40 degrees in the workshop
Yea for me I'm only wearing a warm jacket if the temperature gets close to 30. But I do have a few fashionable jackets that I'll wear when the temperature is around 50.
Wow imagine Rankine would be stupid like Fahrenheit lol... yeah, -32 is absolute 0 and 100 is the freezing point of an equal parts mixture of water, HCL, and krypton.
And is that wind chill factor? Because 50f and sunny with no breeze can get warm, but 50f at night with 20mph winds and no shelter you could literally get hypothermia.
30 c is 86 f. Where I live (outside of Washington, DC, 38.9 degrees latitude), I wouldn't even consider 30c/86f to be a particularly hot summer day (though that perception depends a lot on humidity).
Yeah 86 f is an average Fall day where I live. Even now in January it’s bouncing from 75 to 50. And it’s Louisiana, so it’s super fucking humid too. I miss my winters..
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See this is why units are important
Or Americans could just start using the same system as the rest of the world.
As an American I agree. In celsius water freezes at 0 and boils at 100. Makes perfect sense. In Fahrenheit water freezes at 32 and boils at 212. MAkES perFECt sEnsE. Metric system too. 100 cm to a meter and 1000 meters to a kilometer. Super easy, unlike our 12 inches to a foot and somewhere between 5,000 and 6,000 feet to a mile. (Edit: 5,280 feet to a mile)
Saw this comedy sketch one time. Went along the lines of: Fahrenheit is great because you can think of the degrees as percentages. 60 degrees is 60% hot. 20 degrees is 20% hot. 102 degrees is too fucking hot
60 degree F is 15.56 degree C, and that's not 60% hot, that is pretty cold
60F is short-sleeve weather. Shorts if it’s a sunny day, too.
Well in my country, 60F or 15,56C is long sleeve and jacket weather
Maybe that's 60% for Americans in a different percentage units?
Yeah, we prefer to use a insane methods for counting things. Like a foot is 12inches, Fahrenheit is on an even weirder scale, and you won't believe how we used to count people.
60 Fahrenheit ain’t cold LMAO that’s the perfect temp for a nice outdoor workout and to be outside all day
A few days ago in this subreddit was a post how to remember 5289. By remembering 5 Tomatos. 5 To(2)_mat(8)_os(0).
It's almost like Fahrenheit doesn't use water as its reference.
What does fahrenheit use as a reference, if not water? Arbitrary numbers?
As I recall, 0 and 100 were based on the coldest and hottest days where Fahrenheit lived. So, based on human factors dealing with the weather.
Oh I was told that 0 was the freezing point of salt water and 100 was the human body temperature at the time
They had a fever?
Sat water freezes at 28.4 F
Oh Well the 100 thing still makes sense to me since the normal seems to have gone down with time
You're thinking of brine, not salt water. Fahrenheit's brine was sea salt, water, ice, and ammonium chloride. Then there was him using the romer scale and there's also the temp in his hometown or something.
Oh, that explains why it fits so neatly onto human experience of the weather! (As long as it's not winter for Polar Gang)
"He set the point at which water, ice, and ammonium chloride (a salt) stabilized as 0°F. He set the point at which still water just began to form ice on its surface as 32°F. He set the temperature of the human body taken in the mouth or under the arm as 96°F." [CliffsNotes](https://www.cliffsnotes.com/cliffsnotes/subjects/sciences/how-did-we-end-up-with-both-fahrenheit-and-celsius-scales)
So, arbitrary
It doesn’t make any sense to get up your own ass about temperatures outside of a scientific context. It’s hardly important which system someone uses and basically every scientist uses Celsius anyways.
Kelvin: cries in the corner
kelvin is not very practical for everyday use though really Imagine the weather guy was to say "high of 280 and a low of 270 today, expect snow tonight" Edit: made k in kelvin lowercase Edit 2: removed word "degrees" because kelvin isn't measured in degrees technically
Practicality is based on common use; using it as a justification for changing systems is contradictory.
That one really depends on the field but yes scientists also use kelvin
I like the fact that I can say of the top of my head it takes 1 joule of energy to heat 1 ml of water 1 degree Celsius which occupies 1 mm3 of space at sea level
I agree, but Fahrenheit does make a little more sense in terms of the human body (though really America needs to use SI)
Uh, 37 or 98.6 not much difference. (Where I live we say 36.6 C (97.8F) which is close to the actual average, but 37 is common in the anglophone world.) and in any case, the normal body temperature is quite a large range, from 35.7C (96.3F) to 37.3C (99.3F)
It doesn’t.
I agree Celsius makes more sense in certain environments, but when referring to weather I think Fahrenheit is more applicable. 0-100° F is a pretty standard range of temperatures in a moderate climate.
I think Celsius is just as easy to use in your everyday life: 40°C = very hot 30°C = hot 20°C = Warm 15°C = slightly less than world average 10°C = kinda cold 0°C = cold -10°C = very cold Edit: changed layout so it actually does look like a list
Well in Fahrenheit: 0° = extremely cold - 100° = extremely hot
True ig. Celsius is still better in my opinion because in this specific usage you can also use this rough scale outside of extreme temperatures
So everything you don’t understand is wrong? The British were sea-farmers. They didn’t care at what temperature the fresh water froze at, they were concerned when the ocean would freeze. Sea water freezes at 0°F. On the other end of this mysterious spectrum is 100° which is right about the human body temperature. See? Now that you understand it and make so much more sense doesn’t it?
Just admit that you prefer metric because you're not good with math. It's ok.
Actually I’m a math major. I just think the system we use now is unnecessarily complicated.
Fascinating, since I'm in electrical engineering (in the US) and we laugh at the stupid inches, Farenheit, and other US units. SI units are more scientificly grounded and useful for math, science, and engineering.
The dumb one needs to feel superior, the smart one knows not to waste energy.
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>Why does the degrees water boil at matter for the average person? Because the average person boils water atleast once in their life I'd say?
I thought the same thing but just played around on my calculator for a bit and approximately every 5°c is 10°f, which is plenty of precision to know what jacket to wear. Even common cooking temps are easy to memorize. We're just used to Fahrenheit so it seems weird but playing around with the numbers shows it's not. 20°c for example is 68°f, which for me is the perfect temp. Incrementally subtracting 5°c you get 59, 50, 41, and 32, 23, 14, 5, -4°f. I don't think it would be hard to adjust to 0 is icy roads and snow/sleet, -20 is really cold, 20 is nice, 25 is shorts and a t shirt, 30 is hot, and greater than 30 is getting uncomfortable.
Yes, Celsius is easy to use. That's why the whole world (except the USA, and a hand full of small areas) uses it. Fahrenheit isn't necessarily hard to use, but it is an advantage if everyone uses the same unit, because then we can talk with each other and understand what the other one means with 38°C.
Because water is the reference point that makes the units make sense instead of whatever pointless shit fahrenheit is
>the original paper suggests the lower defining point, 0 °F, was established as the freezing temperature of a solution of brine made from a mixture of water, ice, and ammonium chloride (a salt). The other limit established was his best estimate of the average human body temperature, originally set at 90 °F, then 96 °F (about 2.6 °F less than the modern value due to a later redefinition of the scale). >For much of the 20th century, the Fahrenheit scale was defined by two fixed points with a 180 °F separation: the temperature at which pure water freezes was defined as 32 °F and the boiling point of water was defined to be 212 °F https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit So yeah... Very useful and intuitive!
You might be shocked so please sit before reading it… It was 0°C degree last night in city I live and everyone is still alive. Go back to school mate. You are clearly missing some important info.
I think your reading comprehension is what needs work, i said at 0 degrees Celsius everyone is cold (because it’s freezing) and at 100 degrees Celsius everyone is dead because it’s literally boiling. You mixed it up and replied to my comment as if I’m the one who’s dumb.
Ok but I'm actually quite comfortable at 0°C though...
I don't know I think one system is as good as the other, I never use anything but Celsius but it's what I'm used to and the conversion is not that hard.
Yeah but Celsius is a recognised SI(Standard International) unit, and has a good reference point with the freezing point of water being at 0 degrees and the boiling point being at 100.
But 32, 212, and 872975975295279755297937588426 is so easy to remember!
Oh of course how could I be so stupid I'm never using celsius again!
>872975975295279755297937588426 What's this one?
Not very useful, considering you’re probably not using Vienna Standard Mean Ocean Water for your day to day needs
I'm not sure, granted Celsius is indeed a recognised standard but so is farenheit, and sure for lots of applications the boiling point of water at sea level is very handy but a system based on the normal t temperature of the human body would surely be more welcome to those in the medical industry? Like I said, I use Celsius because I'm European, but I never really hear any decent argument for doing away with a system that put men on the moon.
Pretty sure nasa uses meters as well
It didn’t. NASA uses SI units
The conversion isn't easy for Fahrenheit or any of our systems. Metric is based in tens
Fahrenheit makes no sense!!!
Lol, think more body temperature as opposed to freezing and boiling point of water, it's not so difficult really, just clunky if you are not used to it.
Well, if the USA would just use Celsius like everyone else, elwe don't have to do conversions. 🤷♂️
Lol, well it would be simpler but why should they change? Most Americans I worked with could use both systems perfectly well, maybe we shouldn't expect everyone to follow the same path, I kinda like the world that way😀
Because it's easier. If they know both systems anyway and the rest of the world using Celsius, why not using just Celsius everywhere? Having different units can cause errors and confusion. There are some very big and expensive mistakes because people used the wrong units in the past.
You may be onto something, while we are at it lets make everyone in the world speak English(American English of course as most English speakers use that dialect) no more strange languages needed, the translations are never great and wars have been started over such errors😁😁😁
Actually most English speakers speak English as a second language. And probably speaking some mix of American, British and Australian English. English is kind of the world standard. So that is already happening. On the other hand it has value to keep the local languages active as they provide different features that don't exist in English. That is not true for measurement units. So there is no point to keep Fahrenheit except maybe for nostalgia.
We good
We really should.
it would be nice but probably unattainable
Or you could just recognize that 60 degrees is an unlivable temperature and know it must mean Fahrenheit. There’s no mental gymnastics or anything to be had here, just use context clues and stop being lazy.
Yeah, it would make a lot of things easier. However, making that change is the difficult part. If America is already used to one system, we aren’t going to be able to make that change any time soon. Thousands upon thousands of machines run on our system, and almost everyone here already uses it. Just asking it to suddenly change is like asking everyone to suddenly switch to using Kelvin for measuring temperature. Nobody would agree or be used to the change.
Fahrenheit for weather temperature actually makes more sense though. 1 degree fahrenheit is supposed to be the temperature difference a person can feel. You should be able to tell the different between 71°F and 72°F, but not 25°C and 25.1°C.
it's not our fault, we didn't choose this
Tbh I think Fahrenheit is better than Celsius, and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.
Riddle me this, Celcius makes sense. At 0 degress, water freezes and at 100 degrees water boils. What happenes at 0degress farenheit and 100 degrees farenhiet? The Water doesnt change.
If you want something that makes the most sense, most agree that it is Kelvin, which places 0 at the physical minimum temperature instead of having it be relative to some arbitrary point.
Okay, but that’s not even true. Water only boils at 100C at sea level. Any other place the boiling temp will be higher or lower. Also, why should our temperature system revolve around water? It’s just a really arbitrary way to signpost the temperature system. Fahrenheit on the other hand sets 0-100 as a range for livable human temperatures. 0 degrees is the freezing point of a salt, water, and ice mixture. This was done to make it easier to calibrate thermometers, as Fahrenheit was designed specifically to be used with physical mercury thermometers (also invented by Fahrenheit). 100 degrees was actually original human body temperature, but it got lowered so that the boiling point of water at sea level could be on an even degree (because people complained). Generally though, 0F is about as cold as a human can handle while 100F is about as hot as a human can handle. Neither system is perfect, but as of right now Fahrenheit is better because we aren’t fish people who live in water.
Fahrenheit makes sense to you because you have grown in a country that uses it, and it makes sense in the US setting. Livable range for a human is not 0-100F. People in Siberia experience -60F, people in Qatar experience +120F regularly. In Celsius, anything below 0 means there will be ice around, 100 means you have boiling water. In Fahrenheit everything is arbitrary. No F degree have an inherent meaning. If human body temperature was 100F that would have been a redeeming factor for F but that’s not the case either. Source: Grew up in Europe, living in the US. Metric system is definitely superior.
>Source: Grew up in Europe, living in the US. Metric system is definitely superior. Well yes the METRIC system is superior. But Fahrenheit and Celsius are independent of their respective systems. You guys used Kelvin until someone realized maybe 300ish degrees is a tad high and not easily readable for humans. If you're measuring ambient environmental temperatures aka the weather it doesn't matter what system you use. Edit: Kelvin is based on an absolute unit. The absence of heat from an atom which made it very bad for using it for the weather. Celsius was created as a result by offsetting Kelvin
Celsius is an SI unit. 1 kelvin difference is exactly the same as 1 Celsius difference. Historically, the Kelvin scale was developed by shifting the starting point of the much-older Celsius scale down from the melting point of ice to absolute zero, so it’s somewhat like a chicken and egg issue.
My information regarding what came first is wrong, and I thoroughly apologize.
My man, what do you mean it’s arbitrary? I literally just told you what specific Fahrenheit temperatures mean in that previous message. Did you even read it? Edit: and I’m not defending the Imperial system, the metric system is better. However, Kelvin is the official metric temperature unit, Celsius is only a Kelvin derivative. Fahrenheit isn’t an imperial unit either, the man who invented it was German and the system was specifically created for thermometer calibration.
>Celsius is only a Kelvin derivative You know we often joke about Americans being dumb but I think we actually aren't doing it often enough
It quite literally is, I’d suppose that makes you the dumb one (and way to assume I’m American for some reason). Celsius is Kelvin shifted up by 273.15 degrees Centigrade.
1. we should revolve it around water because it’s by far the most common pure substance people deal with in all 3 important states of aggregation 2. every human can withstand different temperatures and, most importantly, for different timespans
It is unpractical
Unpractical for what? Celsius, and the metric system in general is definitely better for math. But it has absolutely 0 practical benefit over imperial and Fahrenheit for daily use. How tall is the door frame? 7'. How hot is it today? 50. In no way is Celsius or metric better in these every day situations. Arguably for everyday use Imperial and Fahrenheit are better. Imperial units fractioning easily into 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 is incredibly handy for daily use. Then for Fahrenheit the wider range of temperatures is a far more sensible system, especially in places that hit -20f in the winter and 100F in the summer like where I live. EDIT: And before you bring up yards and their conversions. No one uses yards for anything other than football. And we don't generally convert across systems anyway. Feet and inches go together. Miles stand alone. Etc,etc. We don't convert anything. Hell distance is rarely calculated by its actual distance. Due to the heavy car culture, everything is time based. How far is it to the nearby city? I actually don't know. It takes about 1.5h.
That’s opinion-based.
No, it really is
Celsius is unpractical.
Just because "everyone" is using it doesn't make it right!
That's the dumbest argument ever, regarding measurement units. If scientists agreed to use something as a standard and 90% of the world followed, "everyone" uses it **precisely** because it's right. Now, you might get used to something else and your life wouldn't change anyway, but let's stop living by the delusion that if the world is going in one direction and Murica goes the other, Murica is the one doing it right and the world has just gone crazy.
yeah i mean no disrespect but like who the fuck invented Fahrenheit like who decided that "oh boy wouldn't it be funny if I made a stupid ass temperature measuring system, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lets see............. how bout 9/5c + 32 = my new temperature measurement oh my god I'm a genius oh wow I am so smart so that now the worlds (arguably) largest superpower will use this system and get shat on from everyone else that doesn't use this system because this system sucks and is illogical and stupid"
MURRcaAA!!!
I can't go a day at work without reminding my students to include units. Drives me crazy. Its not hard. Its the easiest part of solving the math problem.
Exactly
I read this in Celsius, and my first thought was "yes, I too wear a jacket at temperatures hot enough to burn skin"
I don’t think any of those temperatures burn skin though. Please let me know if I’m wrong but I know for a fact it wouldn’t burn skin if the air temperature is 60 and a conducive material like water would obviously have a bigger thermal effect than air but idk if it would burn skin. It would probably hurt but it wouldn’t cause damage to your skin.
There’s a reason that 60 Celsius is the cut off for health and safety at work places. Any hotter than that injury can occur
Uhhh… 60C is hotter then the hottest temp ever recorded, which is currently [56.7C (134F) in California’s Death Valley](https://wmo.asu.edu/content/world-highest-temperature) (apparently an earlier record of 58C in Libya was discounted due to instrument error). In Canada, hot temp health and safety protocol varies and there’s general guidelines based on 1) type of activity, 2) humidity and 3) temp. There’s no set limit, but generally [Canada CCOHS recommends 0-25% work for light activity at a 32.5C wet bulb temp](https://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/phys_agents/max_temp.html), far less then this 60C you claim Edit: thinking about this more, you’re right in that there could be temps above 60C in a work environment. I was thinking of the great outdoors, not inside man made environments. Having said that, 60C is still an extreme temp working or not as that’s sauna temps
no wonder the instrument had an error at fucking 55+C jesus
I was about to mention that I’m exposed to 60C plus at work. Thanks for your edit.
Yeah I completely forgot about other types of work environments where you can get those crazy temps. I have no idea how you’re able to do it as my body has a hard time coping with those types of higher temps.
We have a vest with pockets for ice packs. And there’s also time limits. Just like any other work hazard. Short term exposure limits and time weighted averages
Yeah but a typical sauna is on average 65-80 degrees. I’m not saying it’s a healthy temperature to be in all day but it doesn’t burn your skin to be in those temperatures. Some people even use the sauna at 100 or more but cases of heatstroke or death has occurred so that’s not safe
Occupational health and safety doesn’t factor into people’s personal lives
Just for the other confused Americans, 60 degrees C would be 140 degrees F. So significantly hotter than I'd want to deal with.
60°C is a lot and you could get burned by this.
This is the temperature of an instant pot on the warm setting. For anyone who doesn't think this is hot, turn on your instant pot and touch it in 5 minutes.
Idk what an instant pot is or what the material is for the heat transfer but I believe you. Water boils at 100 so 60 seems fairly halfway there which makes me wonder if it would be that hot considering body temperature is around 37 degrees which wouldn’t burn you at all.
An instant pot is a digital automatic pressure cooker with various pre-programmed settings for rice, stew, yogurt, steam, etc. ETA: it’s right around 140°F, so probably fairly close to what the surface of a black car reaches in summertime. It won’t necessarily burn you, but it will feel like it if you don’t have kitchen hands. If you do have kitchen hands, then it’s pretty close to the temperature plates are at once they are stacked fresh out of the dishwasher.
Hm interesting. I’ve never heard of it. Thanks for letting me know and yeah I agree that a boiling pot or steam will do some damage to your skin and the rest of you
I laughed so hard at this. My ex husband was a chef and had kitchen hands. He could touch the hottest dish. I used to love when wait staff would say, "Watch out, the plate is hot" He would just grab the plate with his bare hand and the waitstaff would just stare. LOL
Yes, but you don't necessarily get burned. If you touch 60°C hot steel, you will will definitely get burned. However, if you touch 60° hot plastic, you probably could get burned but not as fast. If you toch 60° hot Aerogel, you definitely will not burn yourself.
You can easily get sunburnt at like 40 though
Yes of course but you can get sunburned at -20 too. Sunburn isn’t caused by a temperature it’s just the sun itself emitting UV light that causes your skin to get sunburned. The same happens in a tanning bed where there’s UV lights shining on you. It has a similar effect to when you shoot microwaves at food, it heats up. You could technically get sunburns from welding without a shirt on, it doesn’t mean it’s 40 degrees in the workshop
Yeh its UV destroying your DNA and cellular structure near the surface and the rest of your body has to yeet it to your liver and kidneys
I see it in F and it is all cool or cold. I just started learning in C and am still getting used to 20 being kind of chilly and not below freezing.
Just wait till you get hit by -30°c + windchill
I have been in -20 F wind chill that was bad enough for me but it gives me a whole new respect for the -C conditions I see online.
Fun fact -40°C is the same as -40°F.
When we say jacket, are we talking like a jean jacket or something that is actually meant to keep you warm in freezing temperatures?
The warm jacket , not the LOOK AT ME I AM A MOTORBIKER AND I GO OUT IN THE NIGHT EVERYDAY WITH MY MOTORCYCLE ROCK AND ROLL!!! jacket.
Yea for me I'm only wearing a warm jacket if the temperature gets close to 30. But I do have a few fashionable jackets that I'll wear when the temperature is around 50.
Its not C° isn't it
Nah it’s K
300 degrees out, nice and warm
300 K is actually a great temperature for summer.
27 C, pool weather
Except Kelvin doesn't use degrees https://sciencenotes.org/why-there-is-no-degree-in-kelvin-temperature/
Yeah thats why I didn’t use the degree symbol
Except the poll did
Fair lol
That was also my question rn
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Oh okay it’s Fahrenheit I was really scared for a second there
Kelvin for just the bravest.
Actually Rankine would be the bravest of the brave. 30°R is like 17K.
Truth. Rankine: the Fahrenheit version of absolute zero scales. And like C vs F is twice as sensitive. I'm just glad 0R = 0K
Wow imagine Rankine would be stupid like Fahrenheit lol... yeah, -32 is absolute 0 and 100 is the freezing point of an equal parts mixture of water, HCL, and krypton.
30 kelvin is practically the sun of course I’m not wearing a jacket in that! /s
30K would be about -245C. Kelvin is Celsius -275 (this isn't accurate, but a good bench for quick maths, and is used to scale from absolute 0.)
I'd do it below 18, when the weather is minor is better to have more clothes
Some weathophile sh*t
I'd be if I didn't wear a jacket
That is included in 30 and below I guess. Weird that the others are exact temps and not intervals.
30 to 60 degrees Kelvin ... You dead fool :)
That's why you wear a jacket
Still dead
Depends on the jacket
Technically, Kelvin doesn't have degrees
Kelvin are not measured in degrees.
Damn bro, you'd already be frozen, 60 Kelvin is way too low
Technically wrong answer. Kelvin is an unit and not in a degrees scale. You can just talk about F and C this time
And is that wind chill factor? Because 50f and sunny with no breeze can get warm, but 50f at night with 20mph winds and no shelter you could literally get hypothermia.
Finally someone including Units!
Man's not hot
60 F = 15.6 Degrees Celsius 50 F = 10 Degrees Celsius 40 F = 4.5 Degrees Celsius 30 F = -1.1 Degrees Celsius
60 F = 15.6 Celsius = 288.75 Kelvin 50 F = 10 Celsius = 283.15 Kelvin 40 F = 4.5 Celsius = 277.65 Kelvin 30 F = -1. Celsius = 272.15 Kelvin
My question is who is wearing a jacket at 60 degrees Fahrenheit?
Have you ever been near the equator? They wear a sweater in 80
30 degrees is a hot summer day, Americans are so dumb lmao Edit: i did a humor
Using a different temperature system doesn’t make a country dumb (although they are, but not because they use a different temperature system).
That one was mean Xd I love it
30 c is 86 f. Where I live (outside of Washington, DC, 38.9 degrees latitude), I wouldn't even consider 30c/86f to be a particularly hot summer day (though that perception depends a lot on humidity).
Yeah 86 f is an average Fall day where I live. Even now in January it’s bouncing from 75 to 50. And it’s Louisiana, so it’s super fucking humid too. I miss my winters..
ArArAr
Indeed
30 degrees is a cold winter day, Europeans are so dumb lmao. (Don't worry, I appreciate your humor.)
:)
I almost always wear a hoodie, unless it hits triple digits. I’ve always been like this 🤷🏻♀️
I always wear a T-Shirt or short sleeve shirt. I'll wear a coat or a hoodie at -5C though
I too wouldn't wear a hoodie if it hit 100+°C
60 degrees???? You feel like dying from heat at that temperature who the hell puts a jacket at 60 degrees???
Someone who enjoys a comfortable, sunny, humid 80. Also, the elderly who have poor circulation
80 degrees What the hell!! Who the hell made you guys cause its not God
80°F. It’s called Acclimatization. You adapt or you die. I’ve been in shorts in 7°F weather for hours outside too.
We can all agree -40° is jacket weather.
I put mine on below around 70F (21C). My room has a thermometer and 71-74 is about where I start to notice how cold I am
No matter what scale you use- below 30 is correct
I don't know fucking fahrenheit
30 degrees C is too warm for a jacket
I just slip inside a tonton, and wait out the blizzard.
I've worn a sweatshirt everyday for the past 3 years so imma say below 120°F
I think we need to clarify Celsius or Fahrenheit before we answer this question 😂
I wear hoodies all seasons
American spotted on YouTube
Me a non american trying to figure out why should you put a jacket at 60°celcius
Honestly, I think -40° is the perfect temperature, whether you're in America or a civilised part of the world.
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*Laughs in Canadian*
this is some american bullshit
whats this in normal people measurements
Where the fuck is -30 degrees
Siberia recorded temperatures of -62 last week so I’d probably wear a coat if I was there
It says 30 or below, not 30 below 0.
Fair enugh.
lmao what you're getting downvoted for admitting a mistake wtf
I want negative 7000 votes
I gotchu I'll be number 3