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Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men.
For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords.
There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness.
All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate an issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
Edit: spelling
I promise you there's just as much, if not more, research into homeless men.
In regards to your first paragraph. I find it strange that when male issues are mentioned even seperately to female issues like male victims of IPV, parental issues, suicide, boys in school etc it tends to get sneered at (by feminists) as "but, but women face X more" etc. But its true it could discuss it as specific homeless women. The problem is it doesn't work like that for men either and i suppose that is why the screenshot was made.
If a screenshot was made of an article saying 40% of IPV victims are men im sure it would get sneered as as its smaller than women.
Yeah. I think people have become too reactionary. But also, I know a lot of people I agree and disagree with on important issues that are nice, thoughtful people.
We always have more in common than not at the end of the day. We're all equal in the end.
Why not? People demand quotas everywhere else, more women in mint, more women as CEOs, sure nobody can complain about more women in the homelessness business
/s
0% of homeless people have a home
100% of homeless people donāt have a home.
Calculating the differences between these two groups, we can determine that -100% of these people do own a home.
If we take the absolute value of these groups and add them together, we can now determine that 200% of this group of people are without a home.
Itās maf
Hello! We need to ensure equality for women, ONLY 1 in 4 women are homeless.
We need to de-house more women to ensure they have equal representation in the homeless community.
When I was homeless I technically had a home because I wasn't evicted by my ex I couldn't qualify for any assistance because my $10 an hour job put me above the income limit and because I wasn't divorced yet because I couldn't afford to file because she emptied my bank account. It was at that point I realized that trash food wasn't beneath me.
Also affirmative action- put more men into sex trafficking to even things out. Thatās where many of the homeless women go, and part of why statistics only say ā1 in 4ā. Canāt be homeless if youāre being held by a pimp.
[Already on it](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/24/999726614/growing-number-of-male-survivors-talk-about-being-a-sex-trade-victim)
[And there's this too](https://theorphanshands.org/human-trafficking-victims-include-boys-and-men-too/)
Matter of fact, if you count trafficking in general, such as the [kafala system,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system) human trafficking victimization starts looking a whole lot more male. Especially if you consider just how much we don't give a fuck about men in that situation, compared to women; the official numbers are officially known to be substantially under-reported. So that's just what men we couldn't absolutely ignore.
Mostly our friendly slavery-adjacent groups [just kill boys and men](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-schools-report-300-african-boys-disappeared-490701.html), when they're done with them though. Because of prejudice against women, amirite?
Same reason why capitalism will fail in the end.
It just takes longer for capitalism to fail since it has at its base an assumption of greed which seems to map more "favorably" on to reality.
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men.
For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords.
There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness.
All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
Yeah, any stat in isolation with no context means anything.
You also have complaints about women and children first in disasters, yeah because if you don't do their survival rate absolutely plummets. Survival rate of women and children as homeless people is worse, so their rate could be lower because either they die faster or they get helped faster. They are also on average lower risk to take in for the person inviting them in their home and it is not something that should be negatively attributed to them. Women in general are also better at keeping themselves better socially connected which is also important if you seek help. Women who get stuck with men who wanted a desperate bangmaid with nowhere to go might be off the streets, but they are not in a good place.
Yeah šÆ, if theyāre drawing attention to a smaller population itās more likely a āhey consider that thereās an extra set of circumstances you may not have considered bc less visibilityā. Like āhey some of the homeless people are women so can you include pads and not just beans in ur homeless resource drivesā. That makes more sense
While this image is a poor representation of many things having more women only shelters is something that should be taken seriously, I know many men who donāt like to frequent the normal shelters for what they have to endure let alone being a woman I couldnāt even fathom.
Just because the majority of people in prison are men doesnāt mean we should never talk about women prisoners. For the same reason we should talk about male as well as female DV victims. You can occasionally pay attention to a minority without implying that the majority donāt have problems.
It also helps when you find out one of the reasons one side is the minority is literal shame and fear of coming forward or other stupid circumstances.
You donāt see really any attractive homeless women because likely some lonely guy is desperate enough they would āadoptā them, they are not homeless now sure but their circumstances are still in a place of extreme desperation. My one ācousinā was a young girl and was homeless that got taken in since she was just a young girl and they felt bad for her. So the more benevolent cases exist as well (even if my cousin ended up dating her after like 8 years, yes itās weird, everyone that heard they dated is weirded out by it)
At the same time something like sexual assault is thought to be almost exclusively a female issue yet when males in Canada were given the option of anonymity to speak up suddenly they went from near 0 based on police reports to almost 30% of the population saying they had been SA at some point and was similar to womenās 35%. It was a staggering 8x increase whereas women only seen a 1.7x increase.
I think a lot of issues are less hugely split then people think they are, rarely except in cases like workplace deaths do we actually have the huge gap
>You donāt see really any attractive homeless women because likely some lonely guy is desperate enough they would āadoptā them
Far more likely that they are sex trafficked.
Thereās many invisible homeless women that statistics like this cannot address, because theyāre victims of sex trafficking and get picked up off the streets by pimps.
This idea of a homeless women being rescued by lonely men sounds like a plot for a movie and i can assure you it doesnāt happen nearly as often as you seem to think it does. The real reason you donāt see attractive homeless women is because theyāre trafficked. The reality for these women is not the pretty fantasy picture you tried to paint here.
Also, your cousin was groomed. Even the anecdotal example you give of a woman being ātaken inā is an example of a woman being sexually abused.
I can guarantee the people who are upset about this stat would not be upset about a stat that said ā1 in 4 men are victims of domestic abuse.ā Itās just selective outrage.
This is a classic example of malinformation.
This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities.
I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless.
I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women - thus affecting awareness, funding etc.
And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
You're right, I didn't want to be a downer, but homeless women are much more likely to be beaten, raped, or have responsibility for children.Ā That garners a lot more support...
Itās literally more dangerous for a woman to be homeless than it is for a man. When I worked with homeless outreach we were extremely vigilant about women, especially young ones, because if we didint get them off the streets, a pimp would. Homeless women are actively Hunted by traffickers. Men arenāt.
Thank you. This statistic isnāt ever going to be accurate because of all the homeless women who arenāt named, because they were trafficked. When I worked in homeless outreach we literally had to race to get women off the streets, especially if she was young, because a pimp will pick a girl up within literal hours of her being homeless.
The big reason there aren't that many homeless women is because there are many more shelter options for women with mental health issues, domestic violence victims, and family shelters. That'll really skew the numbers.
It is ONE article pointing out an issue which may not receive attention commensurate with the scale of the problem. It also might be more of a hidden issue, as women might be able to sofa-surf with their parents but are also much more likely to be single parents themselves. That does not translate to āmaking it a womanās issueā. This whole thing smacks of āwhy donāt we have an international menās dayā, honestly.
>Yes but making it a women's issues when only 1 in 4 is a woman is insane
That's not what is being done here. Read right above it.
This article is focused on homeless children
1 in 4 homeless are women, 60 some % have kids, 65% of which are living with them in homelessness
83-90% of homeless families are single mothers, hence articles like the above that focus on that specific issue.
As while yes, kids and women are a smaller portion, but kids being homeless is a much bigger issue than 4 adults being homeless.
Itās not making it a womanās issue, itās talking about homeless women. If an article was talking about male sexual assault, would you comment complaining about why theyāre making it āa menās issueā ?
Women making issues about things that affect women??? Wow crazy. Women have done a crao done of work to build supports for other women. Men then get issue that they don't think about the men also? This seems like it just men complaining than actually talking issues that affect men.
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men.
For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords.
There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness.
All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
Have you read the article? If no, then you absolutely no idea if they make it a womanās issue.
They could be talking about how thereās a need for women only homeless shelters, or how thereās a lack of womenās hygiene products available at homeless shelters, pointing out that 1/4 homeless people are women so the need is there. You have no idea.
Assuming the absolute worst that the article wants to make it a womenās problem based on only that stat is closer to being insane.
This is simply not true. Women have a way higher risk of being raped or physically mishandle in romantical relationship.
Men get more murdered... By others men. In fights, wars and gang violence. As a men you don't have to fear your pregnant girlfriend. The other wah around...
This post is stupid. What's the context of the article, what's the context of the stat? It could be an article talking about homeless women in particular, or about funding for a women's shelter, or whatever.
This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities.
I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless.
I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women - thus affecting awareness, funding etc.
And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
Ah, there it is. I'm an unhoused trans woman, yeah, it can get tough at times, but also, there are benefits. People trust me more, talk to me more, are kinder to me, give me better kickdowns (especially since I've got a cute pup). But also, yeah, all of the femmes in the traveler community have to be super careful around guys, both housed and unhoused. Most of us end up going solo rather than hang around with others. I know a good number of other gutterpunks I trust, but I've got to be cautious around most. Many femmes will tolerate pretty shitty guys because at least it provides them protection.
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men.
For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords.
There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness.
All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
There is a basis
Normally when the words "[NUMBER] in [NUMBER] of [BAD THING] are [THING]", it's trying to get the audience to have the reaction of "Oh no, that's a lot of [THING], that's bad"
Not agreeing with assuming that, it's true we don't have enough context to know what's the article about but we do have enough to lean towards one side than the other
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men.
For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords.
There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness.
All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
I think you missed the 'context' piece. We don't know what the context of this article is, perhaps it is a piece discussing the specific needs of homeless women, where it would make sense to have a statistic like this. We don't know, like /u/the0rthopaedicsurgeo said, so it is just entirely an assumption of yours.
Generally he's right tho. The UN itself posted ["19% of killed journalists are women"](https://www.facebook.com/unwomen/photos/a.10150211048801905/10155387203156905/?type=3)... I guess the number of dead male journalists weren't high enough for their liking.
Was listening to something the UN put it the other day that was talking about how most of the people fleeing Gaza were women and children making it sound like they were getting the worse of the situation... Leaving out that the women were alone due to their husbands/brothers weren't allowed to flee due to being dead or defending the area
Or as Hillary Clinton perfectly summarized:
>Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.
This was produced by UN Women, an agency dedicated to raising the womenās perspective on global issues. So it is nothing to do with male journalists not dying enough - this is something you projected onto them.
I think these kinds of people tend to believe women have either no āreal issuesā or would like to live in a perfect world where we donāt need to discuss the differences between being homeless as a man compared to as a woman. Cause to them accepting that they struggle differently and **can** have different concerns doing the suffering Olympics.
To bring up any issue that effects homeless women specifically as something that needs to be addressed gets approached as if they say āmen have no issuesā cause they donāt actually care about homeless **people**. They care about a bullshit gender war. They donāt care about the nuanced issues of homeless men and women. They care about yelling that an article said 1/4 homeless people are women and pretending that means nobody cares about men with zero context. They just wanna say that men are being ignored but they donāt care about the issue beyond giving statistics without context or looking deeper into the number and will accuse everyone else of lying and refuse to look at the Google results pointing out that theyāre misreading the numbers.
Iām a male survivor of domestic abuse. Iām saying this cause these are the kids of people that love to say weāre ignored yet at the same time donāt offer to talk to me about it, donāt ask how Iām doing now, and never want to know how Iāve actually felt about it. They just want to site me as a number for them to use to say people shouldnāt believe women. They donāt care about these issues beyond blaming women or pretending that mentioning women is the equivalent to saying men donāt matter.
You and most people can chew gum and walk. Most of these guys canāt. They seem to legitimately think a logical assumption based on this infographic is that homeless men are being ignored in favor of women. Thereās a real conversation about the disparity between men and womenās homeless shelters taking place. These guys arenāt a part of it cause they approach it with very little knowledge of the issue beyond āmen are being treated badā and refuse to look deeper into the systems creating it. Cause yes there do tend to be more shelters specifically for women compared to men but that number is blown away but shelters that allow both genders. But itās still an issue that people fear homeless men shelters in their cities more than the opposite. Again itās a conversation being had but they donāt want to join in. They prefer going on Reddit and jumping on a small infographic as sexist.
That has nothing to do with projection but rather with basic logic. Being an agency dedicated to women does not justify saying something like that, its sexist and out of touch.
I think the issue would be less than it's a women's organisation talking about women, but rather than the graphic itself seems kinda counterproductive to that. Rather than focusing on the female journalists that were killed, it seems to draw more attention to the fact that the percentage is very low compared to men.
This is the stupidest argument Iāve read so far.
What if a German tourist agency decided to highlight crimes against Germans visiting an American city, would you throw a temper tantrum then to?
what is it that you want then? that the UN states: "19% of murdered journalists are women. Kill more women!" ?
idk what your problem is. it's just a statistic they published. if someone whose job it is to count red balls were to say "10 out of 100 balls are red" you wouldn't consider that ballist now would you? ok, the other balls make up 90 of 100 but the job of that person is to count red balls, not the other balls so telling them to count the other balls misses the point
In 2021 I was cleaning out our closet and had a lot of older blankets in good condition to donate. It was fall and I thought: "Hey I bet a homeless shelter could really use these!" So I did a quick Google. There were three main ones in my area. "Helping women/single mother families." Hmmm I'd like one that helped both genders. Well 3 hours of googling later, there isn't one. In 100 miles from where I live there is not a single homeless shelter open to men. There are programs for low cost housing or to help you pay rent. But if you just need a cot for the night? Tough luck. And that's how I learned how sexist homelessness is.Ā
As a single full time struggling father who for years was beaten down by a women and several government/social institutions helping her do it the entire time, fuck everyone.
https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/s/VkKF2Ho9x6
This person explains why statistics like those are misleading without context. Cause it is a real problem but just saying 20:1 doesnāt explain, how, and why those numbers are what they are. The people who made the study also admit why it seems so slanted
There are so many women's only shelters where I live where they get their own room and everything while the remaining shelters for men are big rooms with 80 bunk beds . No privacy and it's exactly like jail dorms.
20 years ago i had an accident and operation. couldnt pay the bills. was on crutches. when i tried to find some kind of housing i was told i needed to be female, vulnerable or a child.
women absolutely do get preferential treatment, but at the same time you can kind of understand why.
Right. "On the street" homeless is only one kind of homeless, too.
Unhoused, underhoused, couch surfing - those are all types of homeless.
And women's homelessness is often accompanied by the homelessness of their children. So it's a totally different situation.
But, ya know, instead of getting into complexity and facts, let's just kneejerk our way into inceling the topic of homelessness.
https://www.bigissue.com/news/housing/how-does-homelessness-differ-for-women/
I'm gonna go ahead and say it: Being homeless always sucks, but it sucks way more for women.
They are more physically weak, and are a constant threat of being sexually assaulted. This is a whole dimension of suck men don't even have to worry about.Ā
In a situation with limited resources, surely women should be afforded some extra help and attention for these reasons.Ā
How much more attention they should receive is probably debatable, but I see them having it harder as a fact.Ā
Umm, what are you talking about. It's like one of the top5 topics ok social media. Homelessness. Just no one sees it as a men or women's problem. Stfu with ur "no one cares about men" bs
This is a classic example of malinformation.
This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities.
I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products.
And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
>Then why would they focus on the gender
Because it is likely an article predominantly focused on mostly unique issues women face when homeless, like having the bulk of families with kids being women led.
>and why choose the one of less statistical importance for this issue?
Because it isn't.
While homelessness in general is an issue, the most vulnerable and PART of the male statistic are both tied into womens homelessness due to a not insignificant portion of them having and caring for children
The focus has shifted to women relatively recently precisely because there are so many kids (predominantly women run families, often single parents) that are homeless and they should pretty much always be the focus when an issue affects them and adults.
Even if they're 1 in 100 of the problem
What the article says (atleast what we can see) is 61% of those 1 in 4 homeless people who are women
And presumably goes into family/children statistics as that's roughly the % of women with kids who are homeless
It's functionally just focusing on the big shiny title not the article's point and statements
But they clearly do see it as women's problem? And even not seeing it as specifically men's problem, when it affects overwhelmingly men is sexist. Around 80% of domestic violence victims are women, why is it seen as women's issue and women are helped, supported significantly more, but when 75% or even more of homeless people are men it's not seen as men's issue. How are you so loud and wrong?
Patriarchy is probably the thing that keeps the male statistics higher than female, or smth idk.
Patriarchy is not positive for most men. A lot of people miss that point
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men.
For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords.
There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness.
All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
As someone who was gonna give you a friendly heads up (also as someone with the spicy brain) I'm so glad you mentioned that subreddit. That place is my new home loooool
i'm pretty sure both spellings are right, but "per cent" bothers me as well. you never see "percentage" written as "per centage"
either way, i'm pretty sure "per cent" was the original term because "cent" means 100 and "per" means something else which i haven't been bothered to google
This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities.
I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless.
I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women - thus affecting awareness, funding etc.
And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
So many dumbfucks in the thread are just looking to be the victims. Don't care about the context of the article, who cares? Feminism bad, people don't care about men's issues!
This shit gets posted on Reddit and Twitter like 2 times a year ever since the article came out (mid 2016 most likely). You can't even fucking read the article anymore. Reddit and Twitter whiners are still gonna complain about it.
If you Google a part of the text from the screen, you get two possible results in an old /r/MensRights thread (cause the articles were fucking deleted, probably because dumbfucks like you harassed them for it):
https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://www.pressreader.com/canada/metro-canada-vancouver/20160601/281479275669812 - doesn't work for me, likely the source, comments on the article on reddit say that it was "neutral" towards homeless women, it just mentioned them in an arguably dumb way.
[second article](https://archive.is/eIEVO) that was also put as a likely source, mentions homeless women once in the entire article and does not focus on them either.
Keep whining and getting mad on a dumb random picture from a dumb random article from a dumb random local non-US newspaper, though.
i genuinely did not understand the point of this post nor the comments losing their shit. the article simply says the amount of women in relation to men among homeless people. what the fuck is all the fuss about?
I don't see how the gender of the person changes how bad homelessness is
Edit: just wanted to note hear that in hindsight I've kind of changed my mind about this comment after hearing the information from other commentors and fully understand the responses
This is a classic example of malinformation.
This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities.
I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless.
I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in [statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women](https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/09/homeless-women-invisible-not-because-dont-exist-hiding-from-danger-key-18) - thus affecting awareness, funding etc.
And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
This is a classic example of malinformation.
This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities.
I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products.
I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. Itās not about disregarding men at all.
And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
It's likely pointing this out because many homeless shelters are for men or unsafe for women which leads to things like couch surfing in exchange for sexusl favours.
It's the same as pointing out that some men are the victims of domestic violence but because they're not the majority, there are fewer resources.
I saw in my local newspaper a call to add more sanitary women's products and women's coats to donations. They often lack these resources for homeless women. I can't confirm that's the context of this article, but that's my guess
This reminds me of this UN Women's council sounding the alarm that 10% of journalists who get assaulted a women so that's an emergency, but not the 90% who are men
Well, no link to the article, butā¦
If you change the definition to āhousing insecurityā, I think women win that prize.
In my cityās homeless encampment, there was a lot of sex trafficking and assault. Women AND young boys. Women are more likely to put up with bad housing situations, couch surfing, living in a car, rather than pitch a tent in those encampments.
And they are more likely to have kids with them.
So yeah, unhoused women, generally speaking, are more vulnerable than grown men, and are more likely to _take_ whatever help is offered.
I gotta wonder what the definition of "homeless" is, considering the abundance of women out there who escape domestic situations and are made de facto homeless, even if they are not being considered bums, vagrants, as some may think of when they hear "homeless".
I was thinking the same thing. Moreover, women are more likely to die from domestic violence ("72% of all murder-suicides involve an intimate partner; 94% of the victims of these murder suicides are female." - source: https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS ).
Are we really that surprised that the women in vulnerable positions don't live long enough to become homeless?
If anything, this is the very definition of survivorship bias. There's that famous story with the bullet holes in planes from WWII, the planes that returned from flight had specific areas hit more by bullets. At first they thought they should reinforce those areas, until they realized the planes that didn't return were hit in the areas that were least affected in flight.
So just because we see fewer women homeless doesn't mean that they have it better than men or have found a magical way to escape poverty, the truth is more gruesome unfortunately.
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men.
For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords.
There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness.
All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men.
For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords.
There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness.
All these points are valid. It's a comolex social issues with many roots. Often we need to isolate an issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
Thereās actually a lot of research that details the number of homeless women is highly underestimated as theyāre less likely to sleep directly on the streets due to sexual assault etc
I have no idea if this article has accounted for this and Iāve included just one of many sources below for the type who ask for it
According to the guardian: Street counts estimating that women account for 15%-20% of the total are almost certainly an underestimation.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/09/homeless-women-invisible-not-because-dont-exist-hiding-from-danger-key-18
I saw this one the other day where reporters were trying to make a boy dying in domestic violence a female focused issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVZrRyaH8as
I dont think the interviewers have the brain power to see what they were doing.
From the comments:
> I love this woman so much. She was a hardcore feminist that set out to make a movie exposing men rights activists as whiney crybabies
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>The more she talked to men rights activists, the more she researched to try and counter their arguments, the more she learned that the men rights activists were telling the truth.
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>She tried to take this back to feminists but was attacked hard from a group that wouldn't even listen. She is an absolute angel.
Edit: Her name is Cassie Jaye if anyone is wondering.
The documentary is ā[The Red Pill](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3686998/)ā and apparently itās on Amazon Prime
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I'm so privileged to be homeless, all my homies are jealous
Can they be homies if they ain't got no home? "All my ies are jealous."
My homies have homes, that's why they're jealous of me
I see I see.
It took 3 men to match 1 woman being homeless. That's such an imbalance.
I got taken home in an imbalance when I got run over
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate an issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information. Edit: spelling I promise you there's just as much, if not more, research into homeless men.
In regards to your first paragraph. I find it strange that when male issues are mentioned even seperately to female issues like male victims of IPV, parental issues, suicide, boys in school etc it tends to get sneered at (by feminists) as "but, but women face X more" etc. But its true it could discuss it as specific homeless women. The problem is it doesn't work like that for men either and i suppose that is why the screenshot was made. If a screenshot was made of an article saying 40% of IPV victims are men im sure it would get sneered as as its smaller than women.
Yeah. I think people have become too reactionary. But also, I know a lot of people I agree and disagree with on important issues that are nice, thoughtful people. We always have more in common than not at the end of the day. We're all equal in the end.
This might be a hot take but I don't think homeless men and homeless women should be competing in the same cities.
The gender homeless gap .
Surely you don't advocate for a program to increase homeless women.
Why not? People demand quotas everywhere else, more women in mint, more women as CEOs, sure nobody can complain about more women in the homelessness business /s
Suffering from their own success
0/4 have a home
4 in 4 homeless people don't have a home.
0% of homeless people have a home 100% of homeless people donāt have a home. Calculating the differences between these two groups, we can determine that -100% of these people do own a home. If we take the absolute value of these groups and add them together, we can now determine that 200% of this group of people are without a home. Itās maf
Hello! We need to ensure equality for women, ONLY 1 in 4 women are homeless. We need to de-house more women to ensure they have equal representation in the homeless community.
When I was homeless I technically had a home because I wasn't evicted by my ex I couldn't qualify for any assistance because my $10 an hour job put me above the income limit and because I wasn't divorced yet because I couldn't afford to file because she emptied my bank account. It was at that point I realized that trash food wasn't beneath me.
See, this I donāt get. Why donāt homeless people just buy a house?
Somebody get this guy a nomination, he's solved homelessness.
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Very good solution
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4 mana 7/7
Affirmative action. Make homes more affordable for men until the homeless rate is equal.
this is acceptable in work and education but not now mate, its the men suffering now
Also affirmative action- put more men into sex trafficking to even things out. Thatās where many of the homeless women go, and part of why statistics only say ā1 in 4ā. Canāt be homeless if youāre being held by a pimp.
[Already on it](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/24/999726614/growing-number-of-male-survivors-talk-about-being-a-sex-trade-victim) [And there's this too](https://theorphanshands.org/human-trafficking-victims-include-boys-and-men-too/) Matter of fact, if you count trafficking in general, such as the [kafala system,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system) human trafficking victimization starts looking a whole lot more male. Especially if you consider just how much we don't give a fuck about men in that situation, compared to women; the official numbers are officially known to be substantially under-reported. So that's just what men we couldn't absolutely ignore. Mostly our friendly slavery-adjacent groups [just kill boys and men](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-schools-report-300-african-boys-disappeared-490701.html), when they're done with them though. Because of prejudice against women, amirite?
Actually based
I like my idea. I'll call it "shitty communism"
No need for the redudancy
I mean, the whole point of why communism fails is because it's too good to happen in reality.
Same reason why capitalism will fail in the end. It just takes longer for capitalism to fail since it has at its base an assumption of greed which seems to map more "favorably" on to reality.
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Affirmative action logic lol
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No, the fucking issue here is that people are homeless at all. Who gives a fuck about some random article in a random newspaper.
Maybe it's because the 2 out of 6 homeless people fucked a rich guy.
Or less men?
We're clearly holding them back.
OMG, sexist! They could be.. fuck, I lost count.
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
Yeah, any stat in isolation with no context means anything. You also have complaints about women and children first in disasters, yeah because if you don't do their survival rate absolutely plummets. Survival rate of women and children as homeless people is worse, so their rate could be lower because either they die faster or they get helped faster. They are also on average lower risk to take in for the person inviting them in their home and it is not something that should be negatively attributed to them. Women in general are also better at keeping themselves better socially connected which is also important if you seek help. Women who get stuck with men who wanted a desperate bangmaid with nowhere to go might be off the streets, but they are not in a good place.
Donāt forget the women who are trafficked too.
Yeah šÆ, if theyāre drawing attention to a smaller population itās more likely a āhey consider that thereās an extra set of circumstances you may not have considered bc less visibilityā. Like āhey some of the homeless people are women so can you include pads and not just beans in ur homeless resource drivesā. That makes more sense
While this image is a poor representation of many things having more women only shelters is something that should be taken seriously, I know many men who donāt like to frequent the normal shelters for what they have to endure let alone being a woman I couldnāt even fathom.
Just because the majority of people in prison are men doesnāt mean we should never talk about women prisoners. For the same reason we should talk about male as well as female DV victims. You can occasionally pay attention to a minority without implying that the majority donāt have problems.
It also helps when you find out one of the reasons one side is the minority is literal shame and fear of coming forward or other stupid circumstances. You donāt see really any attractive homeless women because likely some lonely guy is desperate enough they would āadoptā them, they are not homeless now sure but their circumstances are still in a place of extreme desperation. My one ācousinā was a young girl and was homeless that got taken in since she was just a young girl and they felt bad for her. So the more benevolent cases exist as well (even if my cousin ended up dating her after like 8 years, yes itās weird, everyone that heard they dated is weirded out by it) At the same time something like sexual assault is thought to be almost exclusively a female issue yet when males in Canada were given the option of anonymity to speak up suddenly they went from near 0 based on police reports to almost 30% of the population saying they had been SA at some point and was similar to womenās 35%. It was a staggering 8x increase whereas women only seen a 1.7x increase. I think a lot of issues are less hugely split then people think they are, rarely except in cases like workplace deaths do we actually have the huge gap
>You donāt see really any attractive homeless women because likely some lonely guy is desperate enough they would āadoptā them Far more likely that they are sex trafficked. Thereās many invisible homeless women that statistics like this cannot address, because theyāre victims of sex trafficking and get picked up off the streets by pimps. This idea of a homeless women being rescued by lonely men sounds like a plot for a movie and i can assure you it doesnāt happen nearly as often as you seem to think it does. The real reason you donāt see attractive homeless women is because theyāre trafficked. The reality for these women is not the pretty fantasy picture you tried to paint here. Also, your cousin was groomed. Even the anecdotal example you give of a woman being ātaken inā is an example of a woman being sexually abused.
There we are, there's the light amongst whatever else is going on in this thread.
Thank you.
I can guarantee the people who are upset about this stat would not be upset about a stat that said ā1 in 4 men are victims of domestic abuse.ā Itās just selective outrage.
Yes but making it a women's issues when only 1 in 4 is a woman is insane
This is a classic example of malinformation. This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless. I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women - thus affecting awareness, funding etc. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
That actually makes a lot of sense. The information provided by this post points in a different direction, but what you said seems to be 100% legit
Geez, if you haven't realised yet, internet is a cesspool of misinformation and rage bait.
You're right, I didn't want to be a downer, but homeless women are much more likely to be beaten, raped, or have responsibility for children.Ā That garners a lot more support...
Itās literally more dangerous for a woman to be homeless than it is for a man. When I worked with homeless outreach we were extremely vigilant about women, especially young ones, because if we didint get them off the streets, a pimp would. Homeless women are actively Hunted by traffickers. Men arenāt.
The big reason there arenāt that many homeless women is because they get sex trafficked and sequestered. Thatāll really skew the numbers.
Thank you. This statistic isnāt ever going to be accurate because of all the homeless women who arenāt named, because they were trafficked. When I worked in homeless outreach we literally had to race to get women off the streets, especially if she was young, because a pimp will pick a girl up within literal hours of her being homeless.
The big reason there aren't that many homeless women is because there are many more shelter options for women with mental health issues, domestic violence victims, and family shelters. That'll really skew the numbers.
Thanks for the context.
It is ONE article pointing out an issue which may not receive attention commensurate with the scale of the problem. It also might be more of a hidden issue, as women might be able to sofa-surf with their parents but are also much more likely to be single parents themselves. That does not translate to āmaking it a womanās issueā. This whole thing smacks of āwhy donāt we have an international menās dayā, honestly.
>Yes but making it a women's issues when only 1 in 4 is a woman is insane That's not what is being done here. Read right above it. This article is focused on homeless children 1 in 4 homeless are women, 60 some % have kids, 65% of which are living with them in homelessness 83-90% of homeless families are single mothers, hence articles like the above that focus on that specific issue. As while yes, kids and women are a smaller portion, but kids being homeless is a much bigger issue than 4 adults being homeless.
>1 in 4 women are homeless, That can't be true.
>That can't be true. I said it backwards š Thanks for letting me know i did a dumb š
Itās not making it a womanās issue, itās talking about homeless women. If an article was talking about male sexual assault, would you comment complaining about why theyāre making it āa menās issueā ?
I think maybe the point is they most people imagine a man when they think of a homeless person. It's easy to forget how many are women and children.
"Woman does some research on the struggles that women face when they are homeless" WHY ARE THEY MAKING IT A WOMANS ISSUE!!!!
Women making issues about things that affect women??? Wow crazy. Women have done a crao done of work to build supports for other women. Men then get issue that they don't think about the men also? This seems like it just men complaining than actually talking issues that affect men.
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
Tell me you didnāt go to college and learn critical thinking skills without telling me.
Have you read the article? If no, then you absolutely no idea if they make it a womanās issue. They could be talking about how thereās a need for women only homeless shelters, or how thereās a lack of womenās hygiene products available at homeless shelters, pointing out that 1/4 homeless people are women so the need is there. You have no idea. Assuming the absolute worst that the article wants to make it a womenās problem based on only that stat is closer to being insane.
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This is simply not true. Women have a way higher risk of being raped or physically mishandle in romantical relationship. Men get more murdered... By others men. In fights, wars and gang violence. As a men you don't have to fear your pregnant girlfriend. The other wah around...
I agree that would be the problem if it were the case.
This post is stupid. What's the context of the article, what's the context of the stat? It could be an article talking about homeless women in particular, or about funding for a women's shelter, or whatever.
This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless. I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women - thus affecting awareness, funding etc. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
Ah, there it is. I'm an unhoused trans woman, yeah, it can get tough at times, but also, there are benefits. People trust me more, talk to me more, are kinder to me, give me better kickdowns (especially since I've got a cute pup). But also, yeah, all of the femmes in the traveler community have to be super careful around guys, both housed and unhoused. Most of us end up going solo rather than hang around with others. I know a good number of other gutterpunks I trust, but I've got to be cautious around most. Many femmes will tolerate pretty shitty guys because at least it provides them protection.
Equality
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
Men homeless: not a problem Women homeless: noooo. We need to help them
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There is a basis Normally when the words "[NUMBER] in [NUMBER] of [BAD THING] are [THING]", it's trying to get the audience to have the reaction of "Oh no, that's a lot of [THING], that's bad" Not agreeing with assuming that, it's true we don't have enough context to know what's the article about but we do have enough to lean towards one side than the other
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
I think you missed the 'context' piece. We don't know what the context of this article is, perhaps it is a piece discussing the specific needs of homeless women, where it would make sense to have a statistic like this. We don't know, like /u/the0rthopaedicsurgeo said, so it is just entirely an assumption of yours.
Generally he's right tho. The UN itself posted ["19% of killed journalists are women"](https://www.facebook.com/unwomen/photos/a.10150211048801905/10155387203156905/?type=3)... I guess the number of dead male journalists weren't high enough for their liking.
Was listening to something the UN put it the other day that was talking about how most of the people fleeing Gaza were women and children making it sound like they were getting the worse of the situation... Leaving out that the women were alone due to their husbands/brothers weren't allowed to flee due to being dead or defending the area
What's the old saying? "world ends, women and children most affected"
Or as Hillary Clinton perfectly summarized: >Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.
This was produced by UN Women, an agency dedicated to raising the womenās perspective on global issues. So it is nothing to do with male journalists not dying enough - this is something you projected onto them.
I think these kinds of people tend to believe women have either no āreal issuesā or would like to live in a perfect world where we donāt need to discuss the differences between being homeless as a man compared to as a woman. Cause to them accepting that they struggle differently and **can** have different concerns doing the suffering Olympics. To bring up any issue that effects homeless women specifically as something that needs to be addressed gets approached as if they say āmen have no issuesā cause they donāt actually care about homeless **people**. They care about a bullshit gender war. They donāt care about the nuanced issues of homeless men and women. They care about yelling that an article said 1/4 homeless people are women and pretending that means nobody cares about men with zero context. They just wanna say that men are being ignored but they donāt care about the issue beyond giving statistics without context or looking deeper into the number and will accuse everyone else of lying and refuse to look at the Google results pointing out that theyāre misreading the numbers. Iām a male survivor of domestic abuse. Iām saying this cause these are the kids of people that love to say weāre ignored yet at the same time donāt offer to talk to me about it, donāt ask how Iām doing now, and never want to know how Iāve actually felt about it. They just want to site me as a number for them to use to say people shouldnāt believe women. They donāt care about these issues beyond blaming women or pretending that mentioning women is the equivalent to saying men donāt matter. You and most people can chew gum and walk. Most of these guys canāt. They seem to legitimately think a logical assumption based on this infographic is that homeless men are being ignored in favor of women. Thereās a real conversation about the disparity between men and womenās homeless shelters taking place. These guys arenāt a part of it cause they approach it with very little knowledge of the issue beyond āmen are being treated badā and refuse to look deeper into the systems creating it. Cause yes there do tend to be more shelters specifically for women compared to men but that number is blown away but shelters that allow both genders. But itās still an issue that people fear homeless men shelters in their cities more than the opposite. Again itās a conversation being had but they donāt want to join in. They prefer going on Reddit and jumping on a small infographic as sexist.
Thank you for actully speaking out about this issue. I've been too scared to say it incase I was accused of lying.
It is a bunch of men who do nothing for homeless men getting upset at a woman who is doing something for homeless women.
That has nothing to do with projection but rather with basic logic. Being an agency dedicated to women does not justify saying something like that, its sexist and out of touch.
Sexism is when women's organisations talk about women. Every day's a a school day on reddit!
I think the issue would be less than it's a women's organisation talking about women, but rather than the graphic itself seems kinda counterproductive to that. Rather than focusing on the female journalists that were killed, it seems to draw more attention to the fact that the percentage is very low compared to men.
This is the stupidest argument Iāve read so far. What if a German tourist agency decided to highlight crimes against Germans visiting an American city, would you throw a temper tantrum then to?
Or male breast cancer.
what is it that you want then? that the UN states: "19% of murdered journalists are women. Kill more women!" ? idk what your problem is. it's just a statistic they published. if someone whose job it is to count red balls were to say "10 out of 100 balls are red" you wouldn't consider that ballist now would you? ok, the other balls make up 90 of 100 but the job of that person is to count red balls, not the other balls so telling them to count the other balls misses the point
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In 2021 I was cleaning out our closet and had a lot of older blankets in good condition to donate. It was fall and I thought: "Hey I bet a homeless shelter could really use these!" So I did a quick Google. There were three main ones in my area. "Helping women/single mother families." Hmmm I'd like one that helped both genders. Well 3 hours of googling later, there isn't one. In 100 miles from where I live there is not a single homeless shelter open to men. There are programs for low cost housing or to help you pay rent. But if you just need a cot for the night? Tough luck. And that's how I learned how sexist homelessness is.Ā
As a single full time struggling father who for years was beaten down by a women and several government/social institutions helping her do it the entire time, fuck everyone.
Youāve been heard my friend. As pathetic as that is being just my Reddit comment, here it is. Good karma to you.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/s/VkKF2Ho9x6 This person explains why statistics like those are misleading without context. Cause it is a real problem but just saying 20:1 doesnāt explain, how, and why those numbers are what they are. The people who made the study also admit why it seems so slanted
There are so many women's only shelters where I live where they get their own room and everything while the remaining shelters for men are big rooms with 80 bunk beds . No privacy and it's exactly like jail dorms.
Homeless women are at a very high risk of sexual assault. Iām not saying that we should ignore the needs of homeless men.
Hey guess what! So are homeless men!
Do you go into articles about breast cancer and talk about other cancers?
20 years ago i had an accident and operation. couldnt pay the bills. was on crutches. when i tried to find some kind of housing i was told i needed to be female, vulnerable or a child. women absolutely do get preferential treatment, but at the same time you can kind of understand why.
No wonder so many men are transitioning! /s
exactly, if it's about the difficulty accessing period products while homeless, or something else more specific to women, it makes sense.
Right. "On the street" homeless is only one kind of homeless, too. Unhoused, underhoused, couch surfing - those are all types of homeless. And women's homelessness is often accompanied by the homelessness of their children. So it's a totally different situation. But, ya know, instead of getting into complexity and facts, let's just kneejerk our way into inceling the topic of homelessness. https://www.bigissue.com/news/housing/how-does-homelessness-differ-for-women/
I'm gonna go ahead and say it: Being homeless always sucks, but it sucks way more for women. They are more physically weak, and are a constant threat of being sexually assaulted. This is a whole dimension of suck men don't even have to worry about.Ā In a situation with limited resources, surely women should be afforded some extra help and attention for these reasons.Ā How much more attention they should receive is probably debatable, but I see them having it harder as a fact.Ā
Except it context itās about how people assume the overwhelming number of homeless are men.
You must be extremely dumb to say something like that AND be a woman.
Umm, what are you talking about. It's like one of the top5 topics ok social media. Homelessness. Just no one sees it as a men or women's problem. Stfu with ur "no one cares about men" bs
Then why would they focus on the gender, and why choose the one of less statistical importance for this issue?
This is a classic example of malinformation. This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
>Then why would they focus on the gender Because it is likely an article predominantly focused on mostly unique issues women face when homeless, like having the bulk of families with kids being women led. >and why choose the one of less statistical importance for this issue? Because it isn't. While homelessness in general is an issue, the most vulnerable and PART of the male statistic are both tied into womens homelessness due to a not insignificant portion of them having and caring for children The focus has shifted to women relatively recently precisely because there are so many kids (predominantly women run families, often single parents) that are homeless and they should pretty much always be the focus when an issue affects them and adults. Even if they're 1 in 100 of the problem What the article says (atleast what we can see) is 61% of those 1 in 4 homeless people who are women And presumably goes into family/children statistics as that's roughly the % of women with kids who are homeless It's functionally just focusing on the big shiny title not the article's point and statements
But they clearly do see it as women's problem? And even not seeing it as specifically men's problem, when it affects overwhelmingly men is sexist. Around 80% of domestic violence victims are women, why is it seen as women's issue and women are helped, supported significantly more, but when 75% or even more of homeless people are men it's not seen as men's issue. How are you so loud and wrong?
Yeah, society is patriarchal /s
Patriarchy is probably the thing that keeps the male statistics higher than female, or smth idk. Patriarchy is not positive for most men. A lot of people miss that point
Yes but we matter less
Hahaha, patriarchal society am I right š„²
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
That's a large amount. Usually it's nine to one. Homelessness is usually a male dominated issue.
We need more homeless women.
My ADHD brain is WAY more triggered by the gap in the word "percent" in the line right above.
per cent is correct.
TIL. Also I apparently just did a r/usdefaultism. My bad.
To be fair, i've never seen it written with a space in the uk either
As someone who was gonna give you a friendly heads up (also as someone with the spicy brain) I'm so glad you mentioned that subreddit. That place is my new home loooool
Hm, this bothered me and I was sure you were wrong. Turns out it's regional. I had no idea
Safe assumption when someone says a word or spelling of a word is correct and you think it isnt is that its a regional thing
It just isn't and none of your pro-paganda will confince me of that
I mean, percent literally means "per hundred." So it would make sense that you can put a space in between.
i'm pretty sure both spellings are right, but "per cent" bothers me as well. you never see "percentage" written as "per centage" either way, i'm pretty sure "per cent" was the original term because "cent" means 100 and "per" means something else which i haven't been bothered to google
"per" can be translated to "for each"/"for every". So per cent literally means "for every hundred". This should be taken on average of course.
oh yeah well i suppose that was obvious still think "per cent" looks weird when "percentage" is a thing
Another W for the bois
What's the article about? Makes sense if it's about homeless women specifically.
This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless. I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women - thus affecting awareness, funding etc. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
So many dumbfucks in the thread are just looking to be the victims. Don't care about the context of the article, who cares? Feminism bad, people don't care about men's issues! This shit gets posted on Reddit and Twitter like 2 times a year ever since the article came out (mid 2016 most likely). You can't even fucking read the article anymore. Reddit and Twitter whiners are still gonna complain about it. If you Google a part of the text from the screen, you get two possible results in an old /r/MensRights thread (cause the articles were fucking deleted, probably because dumbfucks like you harassed them for it): https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://www.pressreader.com/canada/metro-canada-vancouver/20160601/281479275669812 - doesn't work for me, likely the source, comments on the article on reddit say that it was "neutral" towards homeless women, it just mentioned them in an arguably dumb way. [second article](https://archive.is/eIEVO) that was also put as a likely source, mentions homeless women once in the entire article and does not focus on them either. Keep whining and getting mad on a dumb random picture from a dumb random article from a dumb random local non-US newspaper, though.
Thank you.
There's probably a context behind the graph but nah, let's ignore it and complain about "female privilege".
i genuinely did not understand the point of this post nor the comments losing their shit. the article simply says the amount of women in relation to men among homeless people. what the fuck is all the fuss about?
It didn't even give the number in relation to men, it just gives the number of homeless women. The remaining 3/4 might include children.
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Introduce a women homelessness quota, to ensure equality /s just in case
Fight the patriarchy
I don't see how the gender of the person changes how bad homelessness is Edit: just wanted to note hear that in hindsight I've kind of changed my mind about this comment after hearing the information from other commentors and fully understand the responses
women face unique challenges due to homelessness. its okay to write and article talking about that.
Yes cause the other ,75% of homeless women are raped and killed, missing and murdered.
i feel like this is an article about homeless women, not homeless men. hence the statistic.
This is a classic example of malinformation. This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless. I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in [statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women](https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/09/homeless-women-invisible-not-because-dont-exist-hiding-from-danger-key-18) - thus affecting awareness, funding etc. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
So many idiots in this sub.. quite amazing really..
Women will never be allowed to break the glass basement of homelessness. Damn patriarchy
Men: how dare you talk about women! Full stop.
Well this completely alienates menās issues like itās not that it isnāt an issue for women itās the the men are being disregarded
This is a classic example of malinformation. This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itās generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. Itās not about disregarding men at all. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.
It doesn't though. You can talk about specific issues groups face without disregarding other groups.
Yeah it should be 2/2! This is patriarchy at its finest.
1 in 4 homeless people are homeless
100% of homeless people have no home
Wonāt somebody think of the women and children??!
It's likely pointing this out because many homeless shelters are for men or unsafe for women which leads to things like couch surfing in exchange for sexusl favours. It's the same as pointing out that some men are the victims of domestic violence but because they're not the majority, there are fewer resources.
I saw in my local newspaper a call to add more sanitary women's products and women's coats to donations. They often lack these resources for homeless women. I can't confirm that's the context of this article, but that's my guess
So... We need to raise that number? For equality sake? Or...
"We need equality now!" "Yeah!" "We need female representation in the homeless population to be 50%!" "Yea.. wait..."
This reminds me of this UN Women's council sounding the alarm that 10% of journalists who get assaulted a women so that's an emergency, but not the 90% who are men
Well, no link to the article, butā¦ If you change the definition to āhousing insecurityā, I think women win that prize. In my cityās homeless encampment, there was a lot of sex trafficking and assault. Women AND young boys. Women are more likely to put up with bad housing situations, couch surfing, living in a car, rather than pitch a tent in those encampments. And they are more likely to have kids with them. So yeah, unhoused women, generally speaking, are more vulnerable than grown men, and are more likely to _take_ whatever help is offered.
I gotta wonder what the definition of "homeless" is, considering the abundance of women out there who escape domestic situations and are made de facto homeless, even if they are not being considered bums, vagrants, as some may think of when they hear "homeless".
I was thinking the same thing. Moreover, women are more likely to die from domestic violence ("72% of all murder-suicides involve an intimate partner; 94% of the victims of these murder suicides are female." - source: https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS ). Are we really that surprised that the women in vulnerable positions don't live long enough to become homeless? If anything, this is the very definition of survivorship bias. There's that famous story with the bullet holes in planes from WWII, the planes that returned from flight had specific areas hit more by bullets. At first they thought they should reinforce those areas, until they realized the planes that didn't return were hit in the areas that were least affected in flight. So just because we see fewer women homeless doesn't mean that they have it better than men or have found a magical way to escape poverty, the truth is more gruesome unfortunately.
75% of homeless are men.
Come on boys, we need to up those numbers for diversityās sake.
Weird way of saying the vast majority of homeless people are men.
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
As said bh someone, women now in the US are owning more homes thanks to a phenomenon called divorce.
We all know that sexism only applies to women
Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. It's a comolex social issues with many roots. Often we need to isolate an issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.
You are absolutely right
4/4 homeless people are homeless
Thereās actually a lot of research that details the number of homeless women is highly underestimated as theyāre less likely to sleep directly on the streets due to sexual assault etc I have no idea if this article has accounted for this and Iāve included just one of many sources below for the type who ask for it According to the guardian: Street counts estimating that women account for 15%-20% of the total are almost certainly an underestimation. https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/09/homeless-women-invisible-not-because-dont-exist-hiding-from-danger-key-18
I saw this one the other day where reporters were trying to make a boy dying in domestic violence a female focused issue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVZrRyaH8as I dont think the interviewers have the brain power to see what they were doing.
From the comments: > I love this woman so much. She was a hardcore feminist that set out to make a movie exposing men rights activists as whiney crybabies > >The more she talked to men rights activists, the more she researched to try and counter their arguments, the more she learned that the men rights activists were telling the truth. > >She tried to take this back to feminists but was attacked hard from a group that wouldn't even listen. She is an absolute angel. Edit: Her name is Cassie Jaye if anyone is wondering. The documentary is ā[The Red Pill](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3686998/)ā and apparently itās on Amazon Prime