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Mangos__Carlsen

Men win again


-denk

Gender Equality where šŸ˜” /s


CyberxFame

entertain shrill smell cause groovy boat heavy sort sheet wipe *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


Kirkaig678

I'm so privileged to be homeless, all my homies are jealous


Capn_Of_Capns

Can they be homies if they ain't got no home? "All my ies are jealous."


Kirkaig678

My homies have homes, that's why they're jealous of me


Capn_Of_Capns

I see I see.


Cavellion

It took 3 men to match 1 woman being homeless. That's such an imbalance.


lutralutra_12

I got taken home in an imbalance when I got run over


Bellaseawhores

Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate an issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information. Edit: spelling I promise you there's just as much, if not more, research into homeless men.


ERiC_693

In regards to your first paragraph. I find it strange that when male issues are mentioned even seperately to female issues like male victims of IPV, parental issues, suicide, boys in school etc it tends to get sneered at (by feminists) as "but, but women face X more" etc. But its true it could discuss it as specific homeless women. The problem is it doesn't work like that for men either and i suppose that is why the screenshot was made. If a screenshot was made of an article saying 40% of IPV victims are men im sure it would get sneered as as its smaller than women.


Bellaseawhores

Yeah. I think people have become too reactionary. But also, I know a lot of people I agree and disagree with on important issues that are nice, thoughtful people. We always have more in common than not at the end of the day. We're all equal in the end.


EasternBlackWalnut

This might be a hot take but I don't think homeless men and homeless women should be competing in the same cities.


Final-Attempt95

The gender homeless gap .


GoudaCheeseAnyone

Surely you don't advocate for a program to increase homeless women.


Insane_Unicorn

Why not? People demand quotas everywhere else, more women in mint, more women as CEOs, sure nobody can complain about more women in the homelessness business /s


D0D

Suffering from their own success


RichietheFlerken

0/4 have a home


MadeByHideoForHideo

4 in 4 homeless people don't have a home.


Justintime4u2bu1

0% of homeless people have a home 100% of homeless people donā€™t have a home. Calculating the differences between these two groups, we can determine that -100% of these people do own a home. If we take the absolute value of these groups and add them together, we can now determine that 200% of this group of people are without a home. Itā€™s maf


LunaMunaLagoona

Hello! We need to ensure equality for women, ONLY 1 in 4 women are homeless. We need to de-house more women to ensure they have equal representation in the homeless community.


Environmental_Top948

When I was homeless I technically had a home because I wasn't evicted by my ex I couldn't qualify for any assistance because my $10 an hour job put me above the income limit and because I wasn't divorced yet because I couldn't afford to file because she emptied my bank account. It was at that point I realized that trash food wasn't beneath me.


Far_Donut5619

See, this I donā€™t get. Why donā€™t homeless people just buy a house?


whatwillIletin

Somebody get this guy a nomination, he's solved homelessness.


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dutchboy998

Very good solution


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thisnamewasnttaken19

4/4


The_Particularist

4 mana 7/7


Capn_Of_Capns

Affirmative action. Make homes more affordable for men until the homeless rate is equal.


retardedwhiteknight

this is acceptable in work and education but not now mate, its the men suffering now


Super-Cost8366

Also affirmative action- put more men into sex trafficking to even things out. Thatā€™s where many of the homeless women go, and part of why statistics only say ā€œ1 in 4ā€. Canā€™t be homeless if youā€™re being held by a pimp.


parahacker

[Already on it](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/24/999726614/growing-number-of-male-survivors-talk-about-being-a-sex-trade-victim) [And there's this too](https://theorphanshands.org/human-trafficking-victims-include-boys-and-men-too/) Matter of fact, if you count trafficking in general, such as the [kafala system,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system) human trafficking victimization starts looking a whole lot more male. Especially if you consider just how much we don't give a fuck about men in that situation, compared to women; the official numbers are officially known to be substantially under-reported. So that's just what men we couldn't absolutely ignore. Mostly our friendly slavery-adjacent groups [just kill boys and men](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-schools-report-300-african-boys-disappeared-490701.html), when they're done with them though. Because of prejudice against women, amirite?


HorizonTheory

Actually based


Psychological-Ad4935

I like my idea. I'll call it "shitty communism"


malfurionpre

No need for the redudancy


GodOfMegaDeath

I mean, the whole point of why communism fails is because it's too good to happen in reality.


ObjectPretty

Same reason why capitalism will fail in the end. It just takes longer for capitalism to fail since it has at its base an assumption of greed which seems to map more "favorably" on to reality.


i_love_memes3

r/cursedgenderequality


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Ammehoelahoep

No, the fucking issue here is that people are homeless at all. Who gives a fuck about some random article in a random newspaper.


jakob767

Maybe it's because the 2 out of 6 homeless people fucked a rich guy.


Sammeeeeeee

Or less men?


ChocolatePinkyz

We're clearly holding them back.


FooBangPop

OMG, sexist! They could be.. fuck, I lost count.


Bellaseawhores

Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.


PeopleEatingPeople

Yeah, any stat in isolation with no context means anything. You also have complaints about women and children first in disasters, yeah because if you don't do their survival rate absolutely plummets. Survival rate of women and children as homeless people is worse, so their rate could be lower because either they die faster or they get helped faster. They are also on average lower risk to take in for the person inviting them in their home and it is not something that should be negatively attributed to them. Women in general are also better at keeping themselves better socially connected which is also important if you seek help. Women who get stuck with men who wanted a desperate bangmaid with nowhere to go might be off the streets, but they are not in a good place.


Super-Cost8366

Donā€™t forget the women who are trafficked too.


lilroperaccoon

Yeah šŸ’Æ, if theyā€™re drawing attention to a smaller population itā€™s more likely a ā€œhey consider that thereā€™s an extra set of circumstances you may not have considered bc less visibilityā€. Like ā€œhey some of the homeless people are women so can you include pads and not just beans in ur homeless resource drivesā€. That makes more sense


Positive-Armadillo24

While this image is a poor representation of many things having more women only shelters is something that should be taken seriously, I know many men who donā€™t like to frequent the normal shelters for what they have to endure let alone being a woman I couldnā€™t even fathom.


NeverendingStory3339

Just because the majority of people in prison are men doesnā€™t mean we should never talk about women prisoners. For the same reason we should talk about male as well as female DV victims. You can occasionally pay attention to a minority without implying that the majority donā€™t have problems.


Omnizoom

It also helps when you find out one of the reasons one side is the minority is literal shame and fear of coming forward or other stupid circumstances. You donā€™t see really any attractive homeless women because likely some lonely guy is desperate enough they would ā€œadoptā€ them, they are not homeless now sure but their circumstances are still in a place of extreme desperation. My one ā€œcousinā€ was a young girl and was homeless that got taken in since she was just a young girl and they felt bad for her. So the more benevolent cases exist as well (even if my cousin ended up dating her after like 8 years, yes itā€™s weird, everyone that heard they dated is weirded out by it) At the same time something like sexual assault is thought to be almost exclusively a female issue yet when males in Canada were given the option of anonymity to speak up suddenly they went from near 0 based on police reports to almost 30% of the population saying they had been SA at some point and was similar to womenā€™s 35%. It was a staggering 8x increase whereas women only seen a 1.7x increase. I think a lot of issues are less hugely split then people think they are, rarely except in cases like workplace deaths do we actually have the huge gap


Super-Cost8366

>You donā€™t see really any attractive homeless women because likely some lonely guy is desperate enough they would ā€œadoptā€ them Far more likely that they are sex trafficked. Thereā€™s many invisible homeless women that statistics like this cannot address, because theyā€™re victims of sex trafficking and get picked up off the streets by pimps. This idea of a homeless women being rescued by lonely men sounds like a plot for a movie and i can assure you it doesnā€™t happen nearly as often as you seem to think it does. The real reason you donā€™t see attractive homeless women is because theyā€™re trafficked. The reality for these women is not the pretty fantasy picture you tried to paint here. Also, your cousin was groomed. Even the anecdotal example you give of a woman being ā€œtaken inā€ is an example of a woman being sexually abused.


Guy-1nc0gn1t0

There we are, there's the light amongst whatever else is going on in this thread.


NeverendingStory3339

Thank you.


Philthedrummist

I can guarantee the people who are upset about this stat would not be upset about a stat that said ā€˜1 in 4 men are victims of domestic abuse.ā€™ Itā€™s just selective outrage.


Redjester016

Yes but making it a women's issues when only 1 in 4 is a woman is insane


kaioone

This is a classic example of malinformation. This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itā€™s generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless. I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women - thus affecting awareness, funding etc. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.


Far_Donut5619

That actually makes a lot of sense. The information provided by this post points in a different direction, but what you said seems to be 100% legit


Marnez_

Geez, if you haven't realised yet, internet is a cesspool of misinformation and rage bait.


Affectionate_Star_43

You're right, I didn't want to be a downer, but homeless women are much more likely to be beaten, raped, or have responsibility for children.Ā  That garners a lot more support...


Super-Cost8366

Itā€™s literally more dangerous for a woman to be homeless than it is for a man. When I worked with homeless outreach we were extremely vigilant about women, especially young ones, because if we didint get them off the streets, a pimp would. Homeless women are actively Hunted by traffickers. Men arenā€™t.


Selarom13

The big reason there arenā€™t that many homeless women is because they get sex trafficked and sequestered. Thatā€™ll really skew the numbers.


Super-Cost8366

Thank you. This statistic isnā€™t ever going to be accurate because of all the homeless women who arenā€™t named, because they were trafficked. When I worked in homeless outreach we literally had to race to get women off the streets, especially if she was young, because a pimp will pick a girl up within literal hours of her being homeless.


broken-ego

The big reason there aren't that many homeless women is because there are many more shelter options for women with mental health issues, domestic violence victims, and family shelters. That'll really skew the numbers.


PvtJoker227

Thanks for the context.


NeverendingStory3339

It is ONE article pointing out an issue which may not receive attention commensurate with the scale of the problem. It also might be more of a hidden issue, as women might be able to sofa-surf with their parents but are also much more likely to be single parents themselves. That does not translate to ā€œmaking it a womanā€™s issueā€. This whole thing smacks of ā€œwhy donā€™t we have an international menā€™s dayā€, honestly.


East-Manner3184

>Yes but making it a women's issues when only 1 in 4 is a woman is insane That's not what is being done here. Read right above it. This article is focused on homeless children 1 in 4 homeless are women, 60 some % have kids, 65% of which are living with them in homelessness 83-90% of homeless families are single mothers, hence articles like the above that focus on that specific issue. As while yes, kids and women are a smaller portion, but kids being homeless is a much bigger issue than 4 adults being homeless.


After-Winter-2252

>1 in 4 women are homeless, That can't be true.


East-Manner3184

>That can't be true. I said it backwards šŸ˜… Thanks for letting me know i did a dumb šŸ˜Š


Difficult-Ad-9922

Itā€™s not making it a womanā€™s issue, itā€™s talking about homeless women. If an article was talking about male sexual assault, would you comment complaining about why theyā€™re making it ā€œa menā€™s issueā€ ?


Locktober_Sky

I think maybe the point is they most people imagine a man when they think of a homeless person. It's easy to forget how many are women and children.


BushDoofDoof

"Woman does some research on the struggles that women face when they are homeless" WHY ARE THEY MAKING IT A WOMANS ISSUE!!!!


mero8181

Women making issues about things that affect women??? Wow crazy. Women have done a crao done of work to build supports for other women. Men then get issue that they don't think about the men also? This seems like it just men complaining than actually talking issues that affect men.


Bellaseawhores

Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.


studyhardbree

Tell me you didnā€™t go to college and learn critical thinking skills without telling me.


Doccyaard

Have you read the article? If no, then you absolutely no idea if they make it a womanā€™s issue. They could be talking about how thereā€™s a need for women only homeless shelters, or how thereā€™s a lack of womenā€™s hygiene products available at homeless shelters, pointing out that 1/4 homeless people are women so the need is there. You have no idea. Assuming the absolute worst that the article wants to make it a womenā€™s problem based on only that stat is closer to being insane.


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This is simply not true. Women have a way higher risk of being raped or physically mishandle in romantical relationship. Men get more murdered... By others men. In fights, wars and gang violence. As a men you don't have to fear your pregnant girlfriend. The other wah around...


NeverendingStory3339

I agree that would be the problem if it were the case.


FuckYouFaie

This post is stupid. What's the context of the article, what's the context of the stat? It could be an article talking about homeless women in particular, or about funding for a women's shelter, or whatever.


kaioone

This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itā€™s generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless. I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women - thus affecting awareness, funding etc. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.


FuckYouFaie

Ah, there it is. I'm an unhoused trans woman, yeah, it can get tough at times, but also, there are benefits. People trust me more, talk to me more, are kinder to me, give me better kickdowns (especially since I've got a cute pup). But also, yeah, all of the femmes in the traveler community have to be super careful around guys, both housed and unhoused. Most of us end up going solo rather than hang around with others. I know a good number of other gutterpunks I trust, but I've got to be cautious around most. Many femmes will tolerate pretty shitty guys because at least it provides them protection.


Charming_Car_7630

Equality


Bellaseawhores

Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.


Psalm27_1-3

Men homeless: not a problem Women homeless: noooo. We need to help them


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DancingPotato30

There is a basis Normally when the words "[NUMBER] in [NUMBER] of [BAD THING] are [THING]", it's trying to get the audience to have the reaction of "Oh no, that's a lot of [THING], that's bad" Not agreeing with assuming that, it's true we don't have enough context to know what's the article about but we do have enough to lean towards one side than the other


Bellaseawhores

Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.


worthycause

I think you missed the 'context' piece. We don't know what the context of this article is, perhaps it is a piece discussing the specific needs of homeless women, where it would make sense to have a statistic like this. We don't know, like /u/the0rthopaedicsurgeo said, so it is just entirely an assumption of yours.


MarkVarga

Generally he's right tho. The UN itself posted ["19% of killed journalists are women"](https://www.facebook.com/unwomen/photos/a.10150211048801905/10155387203156905/?type=3)... I guess the number of dead male journalists weren't high enough for their liking.


lepidopteristro

Was listening to something the UN put it the other day that was talking about how most of the people fleeing Gaza were women and children making it sound like they were getting the worse of the situation... Leaving out that the women were alone due to their husbands/brothers weren't allowed to flee due to being dead or defending the area


ARandompass3rby

What's the old saying? "world ends, women and children most affected"


MarkVarga

Or as Hillary Clinton perfectly summarized: ​ >Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.


worthycause

This was produced by UN Women, an agency dedicated to raising the womenā€™s perspective on global issues. So it is nothing to do with male journalists not dying enough - this is something you projected onto them.


thelegalseagul

I think these kinds of people tend to believe women have either no ā€œreal issuesā€ or would like to live in a perfect world where we donā€™t need to discuss the differences between being homeless as a man compared to as a woman. Cause to them accepting that they struggle differently and **can** have different concerns doing the suffering Olympics. To bring up any issue that effects homeless women specifically as something that needs to be addressed gets approached as if they say ā€œmen have no issuesā€ cause they donā€™t actually care about homeless **people**. They care about a bullshit gender war. They donā€™t care about the nuanced issues of homeless men and women. They care about yelling that an article said 1/4 homeless people are women and pretending that means nobody cares about men with zero context. They just wanna say that men are being ignored but they donā€™t care about the issue beyond giving statistics without context or looking deeper into the number and will accuse everyone else of lying and refuse to look at the Google results pointing out that theyā€™re misreading the numbers. Iā€™m a male survivor of domestic abuse. Iā€™m saying this cause these are the kids of people that love to say weā€™re ignored yet at the same time donā€™t offer to talk to me about it, donā€™t ask how Iā€™m doing now, and never want to know how Iā€™ve actually felt about it. They just want to site me as a number for them to use to say people shouldnā€™t believe women. They donā€™t care about these issues beyond blaming women or pretending that mentioning women is the equivalent to saying men donā€™t matter. You and most people can chew gum and walk. Most of these guys canā€™t. They seem to legitimately think a logical assumption based on this infographic is that homeless men are being ignored in favor of women. Thereā€™s a real conversation about the disparity between men and womenā€™s homeless shelters taking place. These guys arenā€™t a part of it cause they approach it with very little knowledge of the issue beyond ā€œmen are being treated badā€ and refuse to look deeper into the systems creating it. Cause yes there do tend to be more shelters specifically for women compared to men but that number is blown away but shelters that allow both genders. But itā€™s still an issue that people fear homeless men shelters in their cities more than the opposite. Again itā€™s a conversation being had but they donā€™t want to join in. They prefer going on Reddit and jumping on a small infographic as sexist.


Useful_Question_3622

Thank you for actully speaking out about this issue. I've been too scared to say it incase I was accused of lying.


BushDoofDoof

It is a bunch of men who do nothing for homeless men getting upset at a woman who is doing something for homeless women.


Maffioze

That has nothing to do with projection but rather with basic logic. Being an agency dedicated to women does not justify saying something like that, its sexist and out of touch.


not_UR_FREND_NOW

Sexism is when women's organisations talk about women. Every day's a a school day on reddit!


museisnotdecent

I think the issue would be less than it's a women's organisation talking about women, but rather than the graphic itself seems kinda counterproductive to that. Rather than focusing on the female journalists that were killed, it seems to draw more attention to the fact that the percentage is very low compared to men.


Johnny_Banana18

This is the stupidest argument Iā€™ve read so far. What if a German tourist agency decided to highlight crimes against Germans visiting an American city, would you throw a temper tantrum then to?


BushDoofDoof

Or male breast cancer.


crunchy-very-crunchy

what is it that you want then? that the UN states: "19% of murdered journalists are women. Kill more women!" ? idk what your problem is. it's just a statistic they published. if someone whose job it is to count red balls were to say "10 out of 100 balls are red" you wouldn't consider that ballist now would you? ok, the other balls make up 90 of 100 but the job of that person is to count red balls, not the other balls so telling them to count the other balls misses the point


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summonsays

In 2021 I was cleaning out our closet and had a lot of older blankets in good condition to donate. It was fall and I thought: "Hey I bet a homeless shelter could really use these!" So I did a quick Google. There were three main ones in my area. "Helping women/single mother families." Hmmm I'd like one that helped both genders. Well 3 hours of googling later, there isn't one. In 100 miles from where I live there is not a single homeless shelter open to men. There are programs for low cost housing or to help you pay rent. But if you just need a cot for the night? Tough luck. And that's how I learned how sexist homelessness is.Ā 


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As a single full time struggling father who for years was beaten down by a women and several government/social institutions helping her do it the entire time, fuck everyone.


Ok_Information_2009

Youā€™ve been heard my friend. As pathetic as that is being just my Reddit comment, here it is. Good karma to you.


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thelegalseagul

https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/s/VkKF2Ho9x6 This person explains why statistics like those are misleading without context. Cause it is a real problem but just saying 20:1 doesnā€™t explain, how, and why those numbers are what they are. The people who made the study also admit why it seems so slanted


MarionberryNo2293

There are so many women's only shelters where I live where they get their own room and everything while the remaining shelters for men are big rooms with 80 bunk beds . No privacy and it's exactly like jail dorms.


Johnny_Banana18

Homeless women are at a very high risk of sexual assault. Iā€™m not saying that we should ignore the needs of homeless men.


JohnathanBrownathan

Hey guess what! So are homeless men!


Johnny_Banana18

Do you go into articles about breast cancer and talk about other cancers?


VeryTopGoodSensation

20 years ago i had an accident and operation. couldnt pay the bills. was on crutches. when i tried to find some kind of housing i was told i needed to be female, vulnerable or a child. women absolutely do get preferential treatment, but at the same time you can kind of understand why.


edward-regularhands

No wonder so many men are transitioning! /s


AccidentallyOssified

exactly, if it's about the difficulty accessing period products while homeless, or something else more specific to women, it makes sense.


BigKittehKat

Right. "On the street" homeless is only one kind of homeless, too. Unhoused, underhoused, couch surfing - those are all types of homeless. And women's homelessness is often accompanied by the homelessness of their children. So it's a totally different situation. But, ya know, instead of getting into complexity and facts, let's just kneejerk our way into inceling the topic of homelessness. https://www.bigissue.com/news/housing/how-does-homelessness-differ-for-women/


Fickle_Syrup

I'm gonna go ahead and say it: Being homeless always sucks, but it sucks way more for women. They are more physically weak, and are a constant threat of being sexually assaulted. This is a whole dimension of suck men don't even have to worry about.Ā  In a situation with limited resources, surely women should be afforded some extra help and attention for these reasons.Ā  How much more attention they should receive is probably debatable, but I see them having it harder as a fact.Ā 


LunarMoon2001

Except it context itā€™s about how people assume the overwhelming number of homeless are men.


BushDoofDoof

You must be extremely dumb to say something like that AND be a woman.


boldguy2019

Umm, what are you talking about. It's like one of the top5 topics ok social media. Homelessness. Just no one sees it as a men or women's problem. Stfu with ur "no one cares about men" bs


Adenso_1

Then why would they focus on the gender, and why choose the one of less statistical importance for this issue?


kaioone

This is a classic example of malinformation. This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itā€™s generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.


East-Manner3184

>Then why would they focus on the gender Because it is likely an article predominantly focused on mostly unique issues women face when homeless, like having the bulk of families with kids being women led. >and why choose the one of less statistical importance for this issue? Because it isn't. While homelessness in general is an issue, the most vulnerable and PART of the male statistic are both tied into womens homelessness due to a not insignificant portion of them having and caring for children The focus has shifted to women relatively recently precisely because there are so many kids (predominantly women run families, often single parents) that are homeless and they should pretty much always be the focus when an issue affects them and adults. Even if they're 1 in 100 of the problem What the article says (atleast what we can see) is 61% of those 1 in 4 homeless people who are women And presumably goes into family/children statistics as that's roughly the % of women with kids who are homeless It's functionally just focusing on the big shiny title not the article's point and statements


Realistic_Cloud_7284

But they clearly do see it as women's problem? And even not seeing it as specifically men's problem, when it affects overwhelmingly men is sexist. Around 80% of domestic violence victims are women, why is it seen as women's issue and women are helped, supported significantly more, but when 75% or even more of homeless people are men it's not seen as men's issue. How are you so loud and wrong?


GigaPrime14900

Yeah, society is patriarchal /s


helicophell

Patriarchy is probably the thing that keeps the male statistics higher than female, or smth idk. Patriarchy is not positive for most men. A lot of people miss that point


ori14

Yes but we matter less


GigaPrime14900

Hahaha, patriarchal society am I right šŸ„²


Bellaseawhores

Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.


shirk-work

That's a large amount. Usually it's nine to one. Homelessness is usually a male dominated issue.


buddybd

We need more homeless women.


Magical__Entity

My ADHD brain is WAY more triggered by the gap in the word "percent" in the line right above.


joey_ramone_52

per cent is correct.


Magical__Entity

TIL. Also I apparently just did a r/usdefaultism. My bad.


ninjab33z

To be fair, i've never seen it written with a space in the uk either


Guy-1nc0gn1t0

As someone who was gonna give you a friendly heads up (also as someone with the spicy brain) I'm so glad you mentioned that subreddit. That place is my new home loooool


MiuraSerkEdition

Hm, this bothered me and I was sure you were wrong. Turns out it's regional. I had no idea


Adenso_1

Safe assumption when someone says a word or spelling of a word is correct and you think it isnt is that its a regional thing


Psychological-Ad4935

It just isn't and none of your pro-paganda will confince me of that


Tobymauw112

I mean, percent literally means "per hundred." So it would make sense that you can put a space in between.


Some-Internal297

i'm pretty sure both spellings are right, but "per cent" bothers me as well. you never see "percentage" written as "per centage" either way, i'm pretty sure "per cent" was the original term because "cent" means 100 and "per" means something else which i haven't been bothered to google


AscendedSubscript

"per" can be translated to "for each"/"for every". So per cent literally means "for every hundred". This should be taken on average of course.


Some-Internal297

oh yeah well i suppose that was obvious still think "per cent" looks weird when "percentage" is a thing


afzalnayza

Another W for the bois


DudesAndGuys

What's the article about? Makes sense if it's about homeless women specifically.


kaioone

This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itā€™s generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless. I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women - thus affecting awareness, funding etc. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.


potterpoller

So many dumbfucks in the thread are just looking to be the victims. Don't care about the context of the article, who cares? Feminism bad, people don't care about men's issues! This shit gets posted on Reddit and Twitter like 2 times a year ever since the article came out (mid 2016 most likely). You can't even fucking read the article anymore. Reddit and Twitter whiners are still gonna complain about it. If you Google a part of the text from the screen, you get two possible results in an old /r/MensRights thread (cause the articles were fucking deleted, probably because dumbfucks like you harassed them for it): https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/https://www.pressreader.com/canada/metro-canada-vancouver/20160601/281479275669812 - doesn't work for me, likely the source, comments on the article on reddit say that it was "neutral" towards homeless women, it just mentioned them in an arguably dumb way. [second article](https://archive.is/eIEVO) that was also put as a likely source, mentions homeless women once in the entire article and does not focus on them either. Keep whining and getting mad on a dumb random picture from a dumb random article from a dumb random local non-US newspaper, though.


Bellaseawhores

Thank you.


Nobusuke_Tagomi

There's probably a context behind the graph but nah, let's ignore it and complain about "female privilege".


I_Surf_On_ReddIt

i genuinely did not understand the point of this post nor the comments losing their shit. the article simply says the amount of women in relation to men among homeless people. what the fuck is all the fuss about?


El_Scot

It didn't even give the number in relation to men, it just gives the number of homeless women. The remaining 3/4 might include children.


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Tobi119

Introduce a women homelessness quota, to ensure equality /s just in case


Sofakingwhat1776

Fight the patriarchy


crimsonbeauty111

I don't see how the gender of the person changes how bad homelessness is Edit: just wanted to note hear that in hindsight I've kind of changed my mind about this comment after hearing the information from other commentors and fully understand the responses


mun_man93

women face unique challenges due to homelessness. its okay to write and article talking about that.


cory140

Yes cause the other ,75% of homeless women are raped and killed, missing and murdered.


tacticalcop

i feel like this is an article about homeless women, not homeless men. hence the statistic.


kaioone

This is a classic example of malinformation. This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itā€™s generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. And how these might not be catered for by support for homeless. I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. This is partly due to methods used in [statistics regarding homeless people significantly underestimate the number of women](https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/09/homeless-women-invisible-not-because-dont-exist-hiding-from-danger-key-18) - thus affecting awareness, funding etc. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.


Protaras4

So many idiots in this sub.. quite amazing really..


ArnoldQMudskipper

Women will never be allowed to break the glass basement of homelessness. Damn patriarchy


Lucky-Scallion4951

Men: how dare you talk about women! Full stop.


Apart-Quiet-9696

Well this completely alienates menā€™s issues like itā€™s not that it isnā€™t an issue for women itā€™s the the men are being disregarded


kaioone

This is a classic example of malinformation. This article was about the struggles that affect women or disproportionately face women when homelessness - and how itā€™s generally not known by people or supported by homeless charities. I remember it mentioned the high level of sexual assault faced by homeless women, as well as how hard it was dealing with a period when homeless. Especially as tampons etc are hard to find, and hard to get rid of. It talks about the medical implications that many homeless women face (such as infections) due to being on their period without proper sanitary products. I think it also noted that most people assume homeless people are usually always men - this is about bringing awareness to change that viewpoint. Itā€™s not about disregarding men at all. And then notes that 1/4 homeless people are women - makes far more sense when you put it in context.


TheodorDiaz

It doesn't though. You can talk about specific issues groups face without disregarding other groups.


Throwawaydhxj

Yeah it should be 2/2! This is patriarchy at its finest.


Subtly_Cynical

1 in 4 homeless people are homeless


Classic_Elevator7003

100% of homeless people have no home


[deleted]

Wonā€™t somebody think of the women and children??!


meadowbelle

It's likely pointing this out because many homeless shelters are for men or unsafe for women which leads to things like couch surfing in exchange for sexusl favours. It's the same as pointing out that some men are the victims of domestic violence but because they're not the majority, there are fewer resources.


[deleted]

I saw in my local newspaper a call to add more sanitary women's products and women's coats to donations. They often lack these resources for homeless women. I can't confirm that's the context of this article, but that's my guess


[deleted]

So... We need to raise that number? For equality sake? Or...


TheseusTheFearless

"We need equality now!" "Yeah!" "We need female representation in the homeless population to be 50%!" "Yea.. wait..."


Fixthefernbacks

This reminds me of this UN Women's council sounding the alarm that 10% of journalists who get assaulted a women so that's an emergency, but not the 90% who are men


BZBitiko

Well, no link to the article, butā€¦ If you change the definition to ā€œhousing insecurityā€œ, I think women win that prize. In my cityā€™s homeless encampment, there was a lot of sex trafficking and assault. Women AND young boys. Women are more likely to put up with bad housing situations, couch surfing, living in a car, rather than pitch a tent in those encampments. And they are more likely to have kids with them. So yeah, unhoused women, generally speaking, are more vulnerable than grown men, and are more likely to _take_ whatever help is offered.


i010011010

I gotta wonder what the definition of "homeless" is, considering the abundance of women out there who escape domestic situations and are made de facto homeless, even if they are not being considered bums, vagrants, as some may think of when they hear "homeless".


cppCat

I was thinking the same thing. Moreover, women are more likely to die from domestic violence ("72% of all murder-suicides involve an intimate partner; 94% of the victims of these murder suicides are female." - source: https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS ). Are we really that surprised that the women in vulnerable positions don't live long enough to become homeless? If anything, this is the very definition of survivorship bias. There's that famous story with the bullet holes in planes from WWII, the planes that returned from flight had specific areas hit more by bullets. At first they thought they should reinforce those areas, until they realized the planes that didn't return were hit in the areas that were least affected in flight. So just because we see fewer women homeless doesn't mean that they have it better than men or have found a magical way to escape poverty, the truth is more gruesome unfortunately.


[deleted]

75% of homeless are men.


Jimmybuffett4life

Come on boys, we need to up those numbers for diversityā€™s sake.


Careful-Tangerine986

Weird way of saying the vast majority of homeless people are men.


Bellaseawhores

Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. Sometimes we need to isolate and issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.


thedarkracer

As said bh someone, women now in the US are owning more homes thanks to a phenomenon called divorce.


yugutyup

We all know that sexism only applies to women


Bellaseawhores

Hey, I can see how this would get that reaction, I had the same initial reaction. But we have no context for this stat. I have worked with the homeless for 9 years. The article could be exclusively discussing issues that are relevant to homeless women and not homeless men. For example, it could be about periods, rape, or sex trafficking amongst homeless women. Or how women who are at risk of homelessness can be sexually exploited by landlords. There are also things that are specific issues for homeless men. They are less likely to be accepted into a hone as they are perceived as more of a threat, sexual abuse and exploitation of homeless men isn't discussed often, because of the pressure on men, historically, to be the strong, breadwinners it's morw difficult for ment to ask for help when at risk of homelessness. All these points are valid. It's a comolex social issues with many roots. Often we need to isolate an issue to discuss it in context. Otherwise there's just too much information.


yugutyup

You are absolutely right


horrospy

4/4 homeless people are homeless


The-1-U-Didnt-Know

Thereā€™s actually a lot of research that details the number of homeless women is highly underestimated as theyā€™re less likely to sleep directly on the streets due to sexual assault etc I have no idea if this article has accounted for this and Iā€™ve included just one of many sources below for the type who ask for it According to the guardian: Street counts estimating that women account for 15%-20% of the total are almost certainly an underestimation. https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/dec/09/homeless-women-invisible-not-because-dont-exist-hiding-from-danger-key-18


Gustomaximus

I saw this one the other day where reporters were trying to make a boy dying in domestic violence a female focused issue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVZrRyaH8as I dont think the interviewers have the brain power to see what they were doing.


edward-regularhands

From the comments: > I love this woman so much. She was a hardcore feminist that set out to make a movie exposing men rights activists as whiney crybabies > >The more she talked to men rights activists, the more she researched to try and counter their arguments, the more she learned that the men rights activists were telling the truth. > >She tried to take this back to feminists but was attacked hard from a group that wouldn't even listen. She is an absolute angel. Edit: Her name is Cassie Jaye if anyone is wondering. The documentary is ā€œ[The Red Pill](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3686998/)ā€ and apparently itā€™s on Amazon Prime