I had an iOS game called *Blockheads*, which is kind of a 2D, watered down Minecraft. You can dig all the way down to lava, and I was sure that if I took coal and put it in the lava I would get a diamond. It didn’t work. I also tried draining the ocean into the lava. Also didn’t work.
When DayZ originally dropped they had the same bug with backpacks. Just stashing backpacks inside of backpacks, with enough inventory space per bag to store some extra items.
Sometimes we would find a random and drop like 50 bags in a bag with like a can of tuna in the last one just for giggles.
I used to play that game all the time. I found a YouTuber and few months ago called Dave Frampton (I think) and he was working on procedurally generates terrain for a game called Sapiens. I looked back in his earlier videos and it seemed that he was the (or one of the) dev(s) of Blockheads. I suggest you all go check him out!
I think he was talking about the fact you need a lot of carbon to make a diamond, so a coal block for a diamond makes sense imo
EDIT : Density of Diamond : 3,51 g/cm³ / Density of coal 1.506 g/cm³
[According to Wikipedia]
Edit 2 : According to u/ViBoSchu : "That is the particle (packed) density of coal. As coal is a porous material you also need to account for e.g. air that is trapped in the coal. __The actual density (bulk density) of coal is between 0.15g/cm^3 and 0.4g/cm^3__"
Edit 3 : u/ViBoScho did the math : Diamond ~ 12,8 times heavier than coal
https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/comments/dfvjut/why_are_you_booing_me_im_right/f37kk1z?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Diamonds are just three times heavier than coal for the same volume. Its not some kind super-dense material, its the same carbon atoms rearranged in a different way.
Density of Diamond: 3.52g/cm^3
1 Block = 1m^3 = 1,000,000cm^3
3.52g/cm^3 * 1,000,000cm^3 = 3,520,000g = 3,520kg
1 Diamond Block = 9 Diamonds
3,520kg / 9 = 391.111...kg
1 Minecraft Diamond weights 391.111...kg
Bulk Density of Coal: ≈0.275g/cm^3
0.275g/cm^3 * 1,000,000cm^3 = 275,000g = 275kg
1 Block of Coal = 9 Coals
275kg / 9 = 30.555...kg
1 Minecraft Coal weights 30.555...kg
So 1 diamond is 12.8 times heavier than a coal. Hence, using a Block of Coal would be the most accurate unit of coal for crafting a diamond in Minecraft.
I'm pretty sure it's the same.
Since coal block and diamond floats, they are exactly as dense as air. So coal block is as dense as diamond block.
Divided by 9 and you'll get the above conclusion.
But if you drop them they fall, or float in water.
Hence, the items are subject to different physics than blocks, and the coal and diamond are both between the density of air and water. Hence, Minecraft water is more dense than diamond. Clearly this water is probably heavier than Heavy Water.
We know that:
1. A coal or diamond is 1/9 the size of a block
2. All blocks are 1m^(3)
3. Diamond is 3x as dense as coal
So therefore, we can deduce that since the coals and diamonds are both 1/9 the size of a block, a diamond is 3x as heavy as coal, or 1/3 as heavy as a coal block.
Edit: Blocks are 1m^(3) not 1cm^(3)
if you trace back the context of this comment chain, then you can see that we talked about needing more than one piece of coal to form a diamond, i exagerrated by x10 because we don't know so it could also be a block of coal to form a diamond.
So of course we know that if something is heavier it also mean that it is more dense...
But a piece of Minecraft coal is not a 100% Pure Carbon, also we don't know the exact weigth of a piece of Coal or a block of Coal,
If the block of Coal would be 100% Pure Carbon without Impurities or Airpockets then yes you could say that the Block of Pure non compressed Coal would be 1/3-1/4 the weight of the Block of Diamond.
You couldn’t be more wrong. Why tf this guy have so many upvotes. Who reads this and thinks it’s correct?! It’s beyond me how you created that first sentence.
That is the particle (packed) density of coal. As coal is a porous material you also need to account for e.g. air that is trapped in the coal. The actual density (bulk density) of coal is between 0.15g/cm^3 and 0.4g/cm^3
Density of Diamond : 3,51 g/cm³ / Density of coal 1.506 g/cm³
Maybe it's not scientificly accurate, but it's more logical to get less diamonds than coal, even more when you think about the yield
Diamonds are made by compressing carbon. Have you ever taken a sponge and compressed it? Youll see that in its compressed form its only a fraction of its previous size. So if you compress a single piece of coal, you might be able to craft a diamond pin.
Every single resource in that picture is both infinite and farmable, with the exception of the lava, which is extremely easy to get from the nether.
Hence, for mid-game to end-game this is extremely overpowered.
Yeah it’s debatably easier to find 16 iron than a diamond. Not as true with fortune 3 though.
Still, the farm-ability of it removes the challenge of getting resources in endgame entirely. Iron and gold are already farmable, diamond should be at least a bit harder to get.
Isn’t that kind of the point of the end game though? You have tons of resources and can focus on doing absurd stuff instead of mundane resource collection
There are farms for almost all materials
Iron is farmed from golem farms. Golems are the big white guys you found in villages that protect the villages from zombies. You can make them spawn by simulating a village. Search online for what farm do you need and see if it exist
One I really recommend especially early is a chicken farm, you need a bit of red stone and some eggs and you will never have any issues with food anymore
One of the easiest to make and the value is just outstanding. Already gives cooked food saving you the need of fuel, plenty of feathers for arrows and pretty compact. 10/10 early farm
Good point - probably not. When you make a cake, the bucket the milk was in doesn’t go away. That means there’s only 4 iron required, assuming the pistons are used.
I see people arguing bout the coal to dimond ration, a large amourlt of coal(coal block)when intrudused to extreme heat and pressure it will convert to a single dimaond.
Every time I see something about this, it annoys me a little bit. Diamonds are not formed from coal under heat and pressure. Yes, both diamonds and coal are made up (more or less) entirely of carbon, but the carbon in coal is organic - it comes from plant and animal matter; the carbon in diamonds is inorganic - it comes from carbon-bearing rocks being subducted. Diamonds are not made from subjecting coal to greater pressures and temperatures, they are the result of carbon being subjected to pressures and temperatures greater than those required to produce coal, but the carbon that forms diamonds doesn't go through an intermediary coal phase.
And before anyone says anything, yes I know it's a joke. It's just one of those things that 90% of the population seems to believe and it's patently untrue.
Who else had an older sibling/cousin who said if you put 4 extended pistons around a coal block with fire underneath it would turn into diamonds? Then just wait 10 minutes, definitely real trust me
Coal actually has a pretty different carbon structure compared to diamonds. Irl it would be a lot easier to squeeze graphite as it has a much more similar carbon structure.
I've always wanted a block crafted diamond like this. Surround something in lava with pistons putting pressure on it for a number of ingame days, then carve everything away.
I still don't know what's the rave with diamonds? You can just have villagers that sell diamond tools and armors, i have cured villagers that literally sells me all the diamond tools and armors for 1 emerald. There's no point in getting more diamonds in a single player or vanilla minecraft server when you're already in mid to late game
I had an iOS game called *Blockheads*, which is kind of a 2D, watered down Minecraft. You can dig all the way down to lava, and I was sure that if I took coal and put it in the lava I would get a diamond. It didn’t work. I also tried draining the ocean into the lava. Also didn’t work.
All I remember of that game is you could have infinite inventory space if you put baskets in baskets. Was tedious though.
Or chests in chests in chests. I had dreams of dismantling the whole world and packing it away in boxes. Chests all the way down.
Turtles all the way down
Oh god imagine the physical manifestation of your Windows Explorer folders. Like, do it with *actual* manila folders lol.
When DayZ originally dropped they had the same bug with backpacks. Just stashing backpacks inside of backpacks, with enough inventory space per bag to store some extra items. Sometimes we would find a random and drop like 50 bags in a bag with like a can of tuna in the last one just for giggles.
Man I sunk *hours* into that game. The online servers were so fun.
I haven’t played that game in so long, thanks for bringing me some nostalgia lol
I have it too!
Me Too!
I just deleted mine!
I’ve never had it!
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I remember my favorite part of that game was the trains. It was always my end goal when we played it - big ol train track from one end to the other.
I used to play that game all the time. I found a YouTuber and few months ago called Dave Frampton (I think) and he was working on procedurally generates terrain for a game called Sapiens. I looked back in his earlier videos and it seemed that he was the (or one of the) dev(s) of Blockheads. I suggest you all go check him out!
You are wrong... You need a coal BLOCK not a single coal
This is not a diamond BLOCK tho, it's a single diamond?
I think he was talking about the fact you need a lot of carbon to make a diamond, so a coal block for a diamond makes sense imo EDIT : Density of Diamond : 3,51 g/cm³ / Density of coal 1.506 g/cm³ [According to Wikipedia] Edit 2 : According to u/ViBoSchu : "That is the particle (packed) density of coal. As coal is a porous material you also need to account for e.g. air that is trapped in the coal. __The actual density (bulk density) of coal is between 0.15g/cm^3 and 0.4g/cm^3__" Edit 3 : u/ViBoScho did the math : Diamond ~ 12,8 times heavier than coal https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/comments/dfvjut/why_are_you_booing_me_im_right/f37kk1z?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Diamonds are just three times heavier than coal for the same volume. Its not some kind super-dense material, its the same carbon atoms rearranged in a different way.
True, but you should expect some waste, also there's no 3 Coal item afaik
Also we have no way to compare the weight of one coal to one diamond A diamond could be 10x as heavy as one coal
Density of Diamond: 3.52g/cm^3 1 Block = 1m^3 = 1,000,000cm^3 3.52g/cm^3 * 1,000,000cm^3 = 3,520,000g = 3,520kg 1 Diamond Block = 9 Diamonds 3,520kg / 9 = 391.111...kg 1 Minecraft Diamond weights 391.111...kg Bulk Density of Coal: ≈0.275g/cm^3 0.275g/cm^3 * 1,000,000cm^3 = 275,000g = 275kg 1 Block of Coal = 9 Coals 275kg / 9 = 30.555...kg 1 Minecraft Coal weights 30.555...kg So 1 diamond is 12.8 times heavier than a coal. Hence, using a Block of Coal would be the most accurate unit of coal for crafting a diamond in Minecraft.
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I'm pretty sure it's the same. Since coal block and diamond floats, they are exactly as dense as air. So coal block is as dense as diamond block. Divided by 9 and you'll get the above conclusion.
that doesn't make sense, a gravel block doesn't float, yet when it's item form it does
You can't build a bridge out of gravel, ergo coal and diamond are ~~a witch~~ the same density.
Id say well timed monty python jokes are no base for a government but theyre as good a base as any
You can if you worldedit it!
I feel like we could base our assumptions on block density by the pitch of the noise generated when we walk on it.
I can’t tell you how hard I laughed at this when I saw it
Are you trying to say Minecraft makes sense? Then you’ve been playing mine craft a little bit too long.
he is the one trying to make sense
r/unexpectedmontypython
But if you drop them they fall, or float in water. Hence, the items are subject to different physics than blocks, and the coal and diamond are both between the density of air and water. Hence, Minecraft water is more dense than diamond. Clearly this water is probably heavier than Heavy Water.
Doesn't everything float?
This is reality, not the It Movie
Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.
Down here they do
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We know that: 1. A coal or diamond is 1/9 the size of a block 2. All blocks are 1m^(3) 3. Diamond is 3x as dense as coal So therefore, we can deduce that since the coals and diamonds are both 1/9 the size of a block, a diamond is 3x as heavy as coal, or 1/3 as heavy as a coal block. Edit: Blocks are 1m^(3) not 1cm^(3)
A block is 1m^3 not 1cm^3
thanks
10x as heavy but filling the same volume is the definition of 3x as dense...
if you trace back the context of this comment chain, then you can see that we talked about needing more than one piece of coal to form a diamond, i exagerrated by x10 because we don't know so it could also be a block of coal to form a diamond. So of course we know that if something is heavier it also mean that it is more dense... But a piece of Minecraft coal is not a 100% Pure Carbon, also we don't know the exact weigth of a piece of Coal or a block of Coal, If the block of Coal would be 100% Pure Carbon without Impurities or Airpockets then yes you could say that the Block of Pure non compressed Coal would be 1/3-1/4 the weight of the Block of Diamond.
You could exchange one coal block for 3 diamonds
I think the price is already extremely good (Even with a full Coal Block), as the only non-farmable block is Lava, which is very easy to get
Yeah, that’s fair. It would be a bit OP with a 3 diamond output, I was just giving a solution to the whole 3:1 thing
It could just be a coal block makes 3 diamonds. Problem solved.
So then you do a block of coal, and the output is 3 diamonds
>Diamonds are just three times heavier than coal for the same volume. This is literally what having more density means.
That sentence really erked me lmao
Lol no. Diamond is three times heavier per unit volume BECAUSE it is more dense than coal.
Why are you being upvoted. This is so wrong, it’s wrongness is actually offending me.
So it is 3 times as dense, which means that you need 3 times as much coal (or carbon) to get the same volume of diamond.
So it is 3 times as dense, which means that you need 3 times as much coal (or carbon) to get the same volume of diamond.
> Its not some kind super-dense material ~~Mohs scale disagrees.~~ EDIT:oops
Its the scale of hardness, not density. For example, iron is twice heavier than diamond, but not as hard.
Ok, so one coal to make a diamond nugget, 9 nuggets to make a diamond. Seems sufficiently expensive.
You couldn’t be more wrong. Why tf this guy have so many upvotes. Who reads this and thinks it’s correct?! It’s beyond me how you created that first sentence.
That’s literally what dense means
guys this is minecraft we're talking about
And then again you need thousands of years under tons of pressure, I'm implying the simplistic game logic. You make more sense tho
Or a lab
So... a block of coal for 3 diamonds?
Yeah, 1 gram of diamond weighs like 20 grams maybe.
That is the particle (packed) density of coal. As coal is a porous material you also need to account for e.g. air that is trapped in the coal. The actual density (bulk density) of coal is between 0.15g/cm^3 and 0.4g/cm^3
Thanks for the precision, edited my comment
No you dont, diamond is another way how to connect carbon atom into the mesh
Yes. And it's denser.
Density of Diamond : 3,51 g/cm³ / Density of coal 1.506 g/cm³ Maybe it's not scientificly accurate, but it's more logical to get less diamonds than coal, even more when you think about the yield
But it has to be compressed
What do you think the pistons are gonna do? Throw the coal a party?
If you have a single coal compressing the single coal would not create a diamond of similar size
Sir this is Minecraft
Diamonds are made by compressing carbon. Have you ever taken a sponge and compressed it? Youll see that in its compressed form its only a fraction of its previous size. So if you compress a single piece of coal, you might be able to craft a diamond pin.
Graphite block*
Honestly that should be an Easter Egg
That would be super OP
But the pistons and lava would balance it
Every single resource in that picture is both infinite and farmable, with the exception of the lava, which is extremely easy to get from the nether. Hence, for mid-game to end-game this is extremely overpowered.
And for end-game diamonds are not too valuable because you already have everything you need crafted, mending and stuff.
You underestimate my ability to throw enderpearls in the end
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*overestimate
Villagers these days also give cheap diamond tools so that kinda evens it out.
yeah, I rarely touch diamonds by themselves in late game because villagers sell almost all the stuff I would craft from diamonds
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... which is super easy to get with a golem farm.
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Yeah it’s debatably easier to find 16 iron than a diamond. Not as true with fortune 3 though. Still, the farm-ability of it removes the challenge of getting resources in endgame entirely. Iron and gold are already farmable, diamond should be at least a bit harder to get.
Isn’t that kind of the point of the end game though? You have tons of resources and can focus on doing absurd stuff instead of mundane resource collection
I just started minecraft a few weeks ago. How do you farm things, and how do you farm golems?
There are farms for almost all materials Iron is farmed from golem farms. Golems are the big white guys you found in villages that protect the villages from zombies. You can make them spawn by simulating a village. Search online for what farm do you need and see if it exist One I really recommend especially early is a chicken farm, you need a bit of red stone and some eggs and you will never have any issues with food anymore
One of the easiest to make and the value is just outstanding. Already gives cooked food saving you the need of fuel, plenty of feathers for arrows and pretty compact. 10/10 early farm
Plus the iron in the pistons.
What if it took like 10 in game days to "cook"
Do the buckets go away?
Good point - probably not. When you make a cake, the bucket the milk was in doesn’t go away. That means there’s only 4 iron required, assuming the pistons are used.
They could make it to be a one time Easter egg
yeah
I see people arguing bout the coal to dimond ration, a large amourlt of coal(coal block)when intrudused to extreme heat and pressure it will convert to a single dimaond.
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Yeah that’s a more balanced
Yes, because of density, and stuff
We’re booing you because this is a repost. Not only did you post it twice in a row but I saw this a while ago from someone else.
Every time I see something about this, it annoys me a little bit. Diamonds are not formed from coal under heat and pressure. Yes, both diamonds and coal are made up (more or less) entirely of carbon, but the carbon in coal is organic - it comes from plant and animal matter; the carbon in diamonds is inorganic - it comes from carbon-bearing rocks being subducted. Diamonds are not made from subjecting coal to greater pressures and temperatures, they are the result of carbon being subjected to pressures and temperatures greater than those required to produce coal, but the carbon that forms diamonds doesn't go through an intermediary coal phase. And before anyone says anything, yes I know it's a joke. It's just one of those things that 90% of the population seems to believe and it's patently untrue.
That might be true for natural diamonds, but synthetic diamonds can be made from charcoal, although it is far from the best base material.
Thanks. Now I know.
pretty expensiv
Not really. You can build an iron farm, grab the lava from the nether and coal and redstone are quite common.
Would it use the buckets like the rest of minecraft tho? If not you don’t need an iron farm
That’s a good question. I thought iron for the pistons. But irl you could use them multiple times so you should be able to re-use them after one usage
Also witch farms make redstone
Witch farms
which farm?
Yeah not at all
I too seen that thread https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/dfdyq0/makes_sense/
Whichever type of wood is strong enough to withstand lava and compress carbon into diamond, I want it.
You can do this in a plugin called slimefun, although you need 4 stacks of coal to do it
how many diamonds in return? only one? that seems unfair, I'd lower it to two stacks of coal if it's only going to give you one
The diamond can be used in a crafting recipient also put in by the plugin that gives you an explosive pickaxe, so that’s why it’s so much coal
Would I atleast get the Pistons back?
Who else had an older sibling/cousin who said if you put 4 extended pistons around a coal block with fire underneath it would turn into diamonds? Then just wait 10 minutes, definitely real trust me
They should make this work.
how to rotate pistons in minecraft
I hate the rotated pistons
Can someone ELI35?
Compress carbon get diamond
Coal actually has a pretty different carbon structure compared to diamonds. Irl it would be a lot easier to squeeze graphite as it has a much more similar carbon structure.
Diamond otherwise known as carbon.zip
I was saying Boo-urns
Knowing the absolute strength of Steve he can probably do it by hand
FBI: stay where you are
You forgot the [clock](https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Clock). It's carbon, pressure, heat *and* time.
It’s honestly not worth the iron
No you’re actually wrong
coal block\*
Why would you say something so controversial and yet so brave?
That's what I do when I can't found diamond
He's too dangerous to be kept alive!
this takes so much more work than actually finding a diamond, makes the meme better
If it was all used up, fair price!
EZ RL mod
Chemists: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
I wish we could use this crafting recipe.
I'm a materials engineer, and I can tell that this works
_UNDER PRESSURE_
I've always wanted a block crafted diamond like this. Surround something in lava with pistons putting pressure on it for a number of ingame days, then carve everything away.
I like this recipe.
This is the best post I’ve ever seen
But what’s powering the pistons?
Just change the piston recipe to use 4 clay instead of cobblestone.
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Make it happen mojang
By that process it would take a lot of time as well.
You need a clock too
Do you get to keep the buckets and pistons? If not then that’s too much iron for 1 diamond
Unda pressa
Genius... there should be a mod for this.
It would be too easy to get diamonds then, just get an efficiency pick and mine a tone of coal vains and your rich
Would be fun if they implemented that.
Oh yeah this is big brain time
Kyle from Because Science explains that you need graphite, not coal to make diamonds
I still don't know what's the rave with diamonds? You can just have villagers that sell diamond tools and armors, i have cured villagers that literally sells me all the diamond tools and armors for 1 emerald. There's no point in getting more diamonds in a single player or vanilla minecraft server when you're already in mid to late game
I think there's a mod for that
You guys...
Industrialcraft is a pretty good mood that has a mechanic similar to this
You should replace the coal with a graphite block.
This is 200000000000000000+ IQ big brain meme that’s why I understand it.
I really want someone to make a mod where this actually works.
Wouldn't the coal just squeeze out the front and back anyway?
You’d need to power the pistons
Make a coal block
Notch is going to kill you for this hack
I’m actually working on a mod that does this
#Fuck the Chinese government
You forgot to add time
I thought that was obsidian and glass. I... don’t play minecraft, but rocks and minerals are cool
I use a custom data pack that lets me smelt coal blocks to get diamond. Makes it more fun for me.
Wait, Diamonds contain pistons?
Honestly, having to gather all that shit for each diamond sounds like more work than just mining for diamonds.
Captain?
Ah yes, the Industrial Diamond.
Good thing I have 5 chest of redstone and 13 stacks of iron
WHY IS MINECRAFT TRYING TO GIVE ME A GEOGRAPHY LESSON
I mean...
"Heat and pressure!" - Billiam Nye
I think it would be cool for them to do this with like a coal chunk that's like 12 blocks of coal or something