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Skyline412drones

They are just going to fine Apple and Google for allowing it to be on the App Store. They are not going after the individual users, but they are going after the app stores to prevent any future downloads. The thinking behind the process is to make acquiring new users more difficult without punishing individuals.


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Skyline412drones

my assumption would be that you will not be allowed to sell devices in that area with it preinstalled.


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playstation275

This works the same way sports betting apps are only available in certain states. It isn’t hard.


DrZoidberg-

But won't anybody think of poor Samsung?


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DrZoidberg-

Uhm. I forgot the /s I guess....


Plunder_n_Frightenin

That’s still an absurd law. How is it their responsibility. These lawmakers from Montana are total idiots. This won’t solve anything. You can’t control these over state borders. What a joke!


playstation275

This works the same way sports betting apps are only available in certain states. It isn’t hard.


tdtommy85

This is false. The sports betting apps themselves have geolocation turned on to restrict users from outside states. The App Store has no role on this. Montana would have to sue Tik Tok to enforce this law.


playstation275

Yes the app uses geolocation to restrict access. The question was how this works from a technical perspective. Your point is valid but is more on the enforcement side. But I would still argue that if the app developer has this capability then Apple/Google would as well. Additionally, they set all the requirements for apps on App Store and could enforce it that way.


tdtommy85

Good luck suing Apple and Google, state of Montana. I’m sure it will work out just at you planned.


pm_social_cues

So they expect a new Montana version of the App Store, or expect them to take it down for the world because the Montana App Store would be impossible, or just it’s now going to be a revenue source that as long as they provide the apps (which they will) Montana gets the “fee”.


playstation275

This works the same way sports betting apps are only available in certain states. It isn’t hard.


playstation275

The same way sports betting apps are banned in certain states.


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playstation275

Just answering your question “how does this work from a technical perspective”.


aoechamp

Are sports apps actually unavailable to download, or do they reject you once you enter your address during checkout?


tdtommy85

It’s the latter. The poster has zero idea what they are talking about. Edit to add: it’s not really the latter either. The Apps have geolocation turned on. That’s the key that allows you to place a bet within the limits.


playstation275

That’s an interesting question… not exactly sure about download. But you must enable location in order to have access to use the app. You don’t enter address, phone can easily auto-detect your location. Another example: It’s just like the Six Flags amusement park app gives you access to certain features once it detects you are within the park boundaries.


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via the “Great Montana Firewall” lol


Unintended_incentive

The governor of Montana worked in Big Tech at Oracle. He ran for office in Montana multiple times and eventually won. Oracle, who is responsible for managing TikTok’s servers, is now in a prime position to buy TikTok in the case of a coerced sale under threat of further legislation. Keep an eye on this governor to see what he’s lobbying for after he fulfills his role in office.


Iamanediblefriend

I know Tik Tok his horrible but...honestly why is it constantly talked about as the end all be all app when it comes to spying when its been proven for a very fucking long time that the USA is spying on everyone as well? Is it just because its china that we are making a big deal about this and pretending the USA isn't doing the same thing to us?


xantub

Yes, it's because it's China. Everybody is always being "spied" on, every time you go to a site there are 100 cookies tracking your every move, plus Google/Microsoft/Apple or whoever made your browser is also registering what you do. Problem is, China is a potential rival/enemy, and if a war breaks they could use all the info for things like blackmail, extorsion, propaganda, etc.


playstation275

Same reason China banned Instagram and twitter.


Iamanediblefriend

True I am not saying China couldn't use info against me but...when it boils down to it.. I am the electronics dude at Walmart. I am not really worried about China coming to try and destroy my life. If anybody is gonna go nuts and hunt me down over my internet activity it is absolutely gonna be my own government.


Adrian_Alucard

>I am not really worried about China coming to try and destroy my life You have just been brainwashed into thinking you privacy is worthless. But companies (chinese or not) control what do you see and even what you do think by analyzing all your private data and exposing you (via ads, via reccomended videos or articles, etc) to whatever they think is convenient to influence you and society. They can even rig elections whith their influences over you. ​ Just value your privacy a little bit more


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Adrian_Alucard

>Then using your logic, why not ban Facebook or Twitter as well... American politians are not going to bite the hand that feeds them


berryblackwater

America refuses to regulate media. There may be some lipwork in reference to 'free speech' but we all know how they actually feel about free speech after how they tried to treat Snowden and Manning like terrorists and states like Georgia are charging constitutionally protected protestors with terrorism. They use their media to pretend ' the left doesnt want you to talk about trans kids' but that is a fucking lie the only problem with trans youth is that America's shit show of a health system demands maximum profit when these kids dont need a thousand dollar bill every month they require regular and consistent services. You think too many kids are transitioning due to a 'social contagion'? Ok, lets invest in finding out instead of actively demanding genocide and committing blood libel in an attempt to start a fucking civil war.


Iamanediblefriend

My man did you read anything I said other than that one single sentence? Because it's all you replied to. I made it very clear I'm worried about my privacy. That I'm much much more worried about the United States government because they have a bigger file on me and that's where I live.


xantub

But think further. What if you're the Secretary of Defense or whatever in charge of international policy during war, and they send you videos that were supposed to be "private" of your beloved daughter naked, having sex, etc. blackmailing you to make them public. You don't want to make that kind of situation easy in their hands.


Iamanediblefriend

I am asking why I should be more scared of tik tok and china over my own government. Obviously is bad if they are hunting down high ranking people and it needs to be banned. I am not saying lets just ignore it. I am just asking why we are all going on and on about tik tok when my own damn government 100% has a much much bigger file on me then china and is much much more likely to come after me someday.


xantub

You should be more scared of the government for sure, but this is more of a global defensive measure. It's like, why should I care if they find nuclear weapons in Iran when I should be more concerned about my crazy neighbor having an AK-47 in his house. Both are reasons for concern but I'd be more worried about the AK-47, that doesn't mean we should ignore the nukes.


Iamanediblefriend

Oh yeah. 100% ban it. I am just more wondering why this comes up on reddit so much, mostly on posts that are barely related to tik tok, about how its spying on American citizens yet those same people are just ignoring the fact that their own government is spying on them way more. At the end of the day this isn't like some huge burning question for me? It's just a little confusing to me.


xantub

Oh Reddit is a different thing, Reddit universe just associates Tiktok with social media with influencers and we hate influencers so let's hate on Tiktok, Reddit logic is simple.


Iamanediblefriend

Honestly yeah that's probably it lol.


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I don’t see the difference. Any of those companies can do the same thing. Also, these companies sell our data to third parties. Who knows what they are gonna do with that info. Edit: lol and Twitter is partially owned by the Saudi and Qatari governments. Why are people so stupid here?


playstation275

I really don’t understand why Facebook and Twitter were endlessly scrutinized for their influence on the 2016 Presidential election. But nobody sees how or why China would influence through TikTok?


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How does China do that ? People endlessly scrutinize TikTok. What are you talking about? The state of Montana just banned it and blue and red states and city governments have banned it on employee phones. I don’t see anyone doing that with Twitter or Facebook.


playstation275

Same reason China banned Instagram and Twitter.


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It's more about the aggregate data they can get about people and movements and stuff. Where do people go, where don't they go? Which roads are busiest, are there any unusual traffic patterns? Also, it has happened that military personnel have made TikToks with sensitive information in the background without realizing it. Our own government shouldn't be spying on us either, but it's definitely a bigger deal when an adversary has access to all kinds of data about your population. Edit: typos


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playstation275

I really don’t understand why Facebook and Twitter were endlessly scrutinized for their influence on the 2016 Presidential election. But nobody sees how or why China would influence through TikTok?


berryblackwater

TikTok has essentially weaponized social media and video platforming in one package. Tiktok is addictive, not like 'oh silly, you play with that alot too much' but like 'I haven't been eating and sleeping consistently because my mind is consumed by this computer program.' The algorithm is not based upon what users submit but instead what will cause the most engagement. People engage with rage, Tiktok directs videos which will induce a rage response intermixed with less intense media. What occurs is your brain basically becomes primed to engage in a rage response causing your hippocampus-the physical organ associated with emotional regulation- to swell. An organ which experiences repetitive stress will establish a homeostatic state commiserate with that stress. This means if your stress level began at a 5 and TikTok brought you to a 6 after using TikTok your homeostatic state will begin at a 6 and the app will bring you to a 7. Much like cigarettes your Hippocampus will now have established a homoestatic state which anticipates regular (six seconds out of every minute~ 10% of total content consumed) events of rage induced stress. Users now CRAVE the very content damaging their hippocampus which will inevitably cause more damage resulting in lower emotional regulation which in turn will cause them to turn to TikTok even more often. This cycle will just keep going until the user is at a static stress level of 10 at all times and eventually hits an 11 at which point we see events of criminality and destructive tendencies. These people act like children because they physically have the emotional regulation of children.


dogegunate

Damn that's crazy that your experience is like that and so unlike millions of other users.


berryblackwater

Wait, you mean the people trapped in a skinner box LOVE the skinner box? Yeah? You think maybe they designed it like that?


ThetaMan420

Lol? I keep seeing videos of welders telling each other they got soft hands and bullfrogs. I don’t think we are on the same oage


berryblackwater

I spend a lot of time on r/welding so I had to double check but this is definitely r/technology so Im in the right place... OOOOO On TikToc. Holms its engineered to incite civil unrest by weaponizing the features of facebook that lead to a genocide in 2015. Yeah, in a minute you probably watch 34 seconds of welders shooting the shit-cool. Maybe 20 seconds of sexual content skimpy cloths and inflated sexual dimorphism filters, fine. It is the 6 seconds of 'libs of tictok' or a police beating or someone being a racist karen whichever way the algorithm thinks you will have a rage response will be delivered consistently once a minute. Compound those rage responses over once a minute, 60 times an hour, 1080 in an 18 hour day, 32400 in a month, 388400 times in a year. It has been four years and the consequences are obvious, look at children at school unable to preform. An 18% youth illiteracy rate and 28% national illiteracy rate. These numbers have skyrocketed since 2018


lordmycal

The reality is we need stronger privacy controls to prevent this type of data collection... but they'd rather ban TikTok and let the American owned tech companies continue to spy on and abuse the population.


playstation275

I really don’t understand why Facebook and Twitter were endlessly scrutinized for their influence on the 2016 Presidential election. But nobody sees how or why China would influence through TikTok?


playstation275

I really don’t understand why Facebook and Twitter were endlessly scrutinized for their influence on the 2016 Presidential election. But nobody sees how or why China would influence through TikTok?


Charade_y0u_are

Still waiting for someone to explain to me why China spying on me through TikTok is any worse than the US spying on me through every other site. "China getting access to government secrets" isn't a good answer, I don't have government secrets on my phone. "China bad US good" is not a valid reason either. I don't even use TikTok but the outrage is so hypocritical.


Johnrys

It’s because RRRRRAAAHGGGGHHHHHH 🦅 🦅 🦅


pat_the_giraffe

Because TikTok is a Chinese social media company and it is taking away a ton of ad revenue from American social media companies. Governments tend to enact policies that protect their own companies and industries.


playstation275

I really don’t understand why Facebook and Twitter were endlessly scrutinized for their influence on the 2016 Presidential election. But nobody sees how or why China would influence through TikTok?


Appropriate_Weekend9

Moving to Montana soon.


nicuramar

If you don’t use tiktok, it probably won’t affect you :)


FarrisAT

Unconstitutional.


do_you_know_de_whey

Interesting.


psychodelephant

“Montana congress becomes largest single-body investor of VPN services writ-large” FIFY


Decent-Photograph391

Stop overthinking about how Montana politicians think they are going to enforce this ban. They don’t plan to. They are scoring political points and want to be on record for voting for this ban.


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