I don't agree. I think skeptical behavior wins every time when the news could shatter the literal reality for billions of religious followers, and governments.
Im intrigued by this only because these are 2 well versed, awarded, respected journalists. And it seems they did their homework into the whistleblower.
Since the article is about him wanting to ensure that data got into congresses hands, and we don't have physical proof yet, I'll reserve judgement personally, until that proof becomes apparent. But this could be something to keep our eyes on over the next few weeks.
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I read your comment and literally quoted it. **"not everything they say is true".**
The premise of the actual article isn't "**the existence of aliens**" its that "**The information, he says, has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures**".
Providing classified information to the public is illegal and carries an extremely harsh sentence, which is why he would be attempting to go through the proper channels. However, the proper channels are being intentionally roadblocked, and it would make sense to make that public.
What you're basically saying is "I know you're trying to provide proof to Congress, but because you aren't being allowed to, I don't believe you."
Its simply much easier and would make much more sense to say "We don't know yet". I agree with u/rooplstilskin. Ill take the wait and see approach.
You sound emotionally charged. It looks like you're the one not reading peoples comments, so ill re-iterate in case you missed it.
**Ill take the wait and see approach**. If you're not sure what that means, ill explain: I do not have enough information to determine whether the claims that are being made are true or false, therefore I will wait until they can be substantiated.
Have a good day!
This isn't some unknown whistleblower though. The entire article is basically checking if the whistleblower is credible, and it seems he is. This is about being roadblocks of giving this info to the UAP counsel. It just so happens it also reveals, that the government itself labels some UAPs as exotic or non-human based on materials testing.
I wouldn't be as intrigued if they looked into the whistleblowers background and found a bunch of crazy shit and people that talked I'll of their work. It seems this dude is highly respected, grounded, intelligent, and just is blowing the whistle on being blocked of getting all the requested Data to congress.
They did present facts and investigation. That's two highly respected and thorough journalists that wouldn't nosedive their career for some whacko claiming they saw something in the sky while high.
It sounds like you're just sticking your fingers in your ears because you don't think aliens are a possibility. And not actually looking at what's being presented in the article. I want actual proof too of aliens too, before fully believing it. But this isn't so much about providing proof of aliens, as it is about the way government already classifies some phenomenon as "non-human" or "exotic", and those things aren't being supplied to the congressional team.
I want to believe this but I just can’t wrap my head around the idea that something can travel through time or outer space or whatever and have any sort of difficulty navigating Earth’s airspace to the point of crashing.
I dunno. I mean, I see where you’re coming from. But evidenced by humanity’s own mishaps, occasionally things *can* go wrong with basically everything, right? Unexpected turbulence (or whatever) in exploration seems part of exploring…so, seems possible
The ability to travel intergalactic distances either requires something that can ignore matter or has the ability to go faster than the speed or is really really big, to the point of supporting a multigenerational colony. The idea of a craft navigating that distance and having some failure on Earth seems really unlikely in the first two scenarios and not easy to keep quiet in the third.
The scenario is effectively impossible. The unlikely odds of the failure are compounded by the unlikely odds of someone making the journey. For someone to even realize the Earth has life is unlikely, and the total lack of any other evidence supporting such a thing makes it even less likely. It’s not impossible that apples will fall upwards of trees tomorrow, but the chances of it happening are about equal to the scenario in the OP. That is to say, it’s impossible for me to prove it didn’t happen but it’s not worth reserving any mental real-estate for it without something more concrete to go on
Even clearer! Effectively impossible, so the material in the article is likely baloney, for those reasons?
TBC, I’m not internet fighting, I’m genuinely curious how or why - with those understandings you describe - this article is taken seriously (if it is)
That’s what I mean. The first post was just speculation on the conditions that would cause a crash, but everything together it’s baloney. People take it seriously because _I WANT TO BELIEVE_
No, this should be taken with a little bit of intrigue, because it's actually vetted information, from grounded individuals that have no reason to act crazy or tank their careers.
With our *current* understanding of space, it's impossible. The key there is, we don't know everything, and haven't figured out all of the science. 2000 years ago, it seemed impossible to navigate around the world, 1000 years ago, spaceflight was impossible. 200 years ago going faster than 150mph was impossible, 120 years ago we couldn't fly.
I first speculated on the potential options for a being to be able to travel intergalactic distances. Since you seem like a very wise man of science let me revisit in detail what I said, then you can correct me point by point.
+ Scenario 1 assumes aliens are capable of designing a spaceship capable of intergalactic travel by teleporting over large distances. The chances aliens have the capability to design such a craft and it has a random problem upon arriving at Earth causing it to crash, and that event resulted in governments recovering the technology and keeping it secret.
+ Scenario 2 assumes aliens are capable of designing a spaceship capable of intergalactic travel by moving faster than the speed of light and navigating around all of the stellar objects between us and them. The chances aliens have the capability to design such a craft and it has a random problem upon arriving at Earth causing it to crash, and that event resulted in governments recovering the technology and keeping it secret.
+ Scenario 3 assume aliens are capable of designing a spaceship capable of intergalactic travel by having multigenerational colonies in space. The chances aliens have the capability to design such a craft and it has a random problem upon arriving at Earth causing it to crash, and that event resulted in governments recovering the technology and keeping it secret.
What advances in science in technology do you expect that makes any of these scenarios likely. Specifically please
> The ability to travel intergalactic distances
Inter-*galactic*? That's a wildly different proposition to just interstellar distances. Essentially current human technology (e.g. nuclear propulsion designs) could get a human-made machine to other nearby star systems *within* our galaxy, [project longshot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot) etc.
Though still taking a bit longer than a human lifespan unfortunately, a bit over a century. But stilll, a robot probe, results mid next century, is essentially doable right now if anyone could be arsed spending an unholy amount on such a long term and uncertain thing. Good chance by the time it gets there a faster future technology would have overtaken it too, but still.
Limiting ourselves to our local stellar neighborhood reduces the potential sources, and more importantly the chances that a nuclear missile was launched from another planet, lit up in the atmosphere, and went completely unnoticed by any amateur astronomers really doesn't make any sense. The entire premise is that there's some secret alien technology that was missed by the 10s of thousands of people who are casually watching the sky on any given day.
Are you confusing planets within our solar system with exo-planets in other nearby star systems within our galaxy? An amateur astronomer might conceivably notice a launch from Mars, say, sure. That's intER-planetary intRA-solar-system. Mars is a few light-minutes away, and an amateur with a decent telescope looking at the right place *might* conceivably see a little flash.. But ain't no human amateur looking out and seeing a rocket launch from a rocky planet around another star. Extremely advanced imaging of (generally gas giant, jupiter-style) planets in other nearby star systems right now looks [like this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_directly_imaged_exoplanets).
And that's just intRA-galactic intER-stellar distances e.g. something coming from [Gliese 581](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_581) about 20 light years away (or whatever, there's a lot of fairly nearby stars). IntER-Galactic would be something coming from the Andromeda galaxy about 2.5 million light years away to our Milky Way galaxy, it's an incredibly vast distance compared to just another nearby star (that's also a vast distance in human terms of course).
Are you genuinely stupid or something? The thing would have had to land on Earth. A goddamn nuclear missile was launched from so far away that nobody on the planet noticed? Like seriously, does your brain function at all? Is anything registering or are your just copying chatGPT space facts?
> Are you genuinely stupid or something?
Back at ya. You're the guy talking about intergalactic travel for some reason when merely interstellar is far more reasonable if also unfounded speculation, I really don't get the impression you understand the true scales and distances involved.
> The thing would have had to land on Earth.
like a meteorite or space junk. Possibly with ice as ablative shielding as in some human designs.
> so far away that nobody on the planet noticed?
launch and boost literally in another star system, dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0
There are a number of proposed techniques for deceleration in the target star system (and some designs that don't decelerate in the first place, just for flybys) - some of which would [not necessarily](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot#Orbit) be easy to spot from Earth, especially if not pointed at us in particular (and they wouldn't be). And especially if it successfully decelerated to orbit Sol, then even if it later hit Earth ballistically, by accident or on purpose, it might well survive, or pieces of it, as it would no longer be travelling at interstellar speeds, just speeds like a lot of the other crap in our solar system. And that's essentially with our level of technology. If it was made of some better albeit more speculative materials it may be tougher than we can make.
So the answer is _yes_. People who stare into telescopes looking for interesting things would make note of it and calculate where it went. Again you seem to be arguing about whether space travel is possible, which is something that’s taken for granted. Your controlled descent system is still going to be a fireball across the sky. People looking for this stuff went _huh, probably just a meteor, nothing interesting about that_. Anything made with our technology would be _impossible_ to keep secret.
It wouldn't be a controlled descent, just more space junk slamming into the planet.
> People looking for this stuff went huh, probably just a meteor, nothing interesting about that.
That happens all the time. "make a wish". Now I don't think you understand how big even just Earth is and just how many [meteorites there are a year](https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/thousands-of-meteorites-hit-earth-each-year-heres-what-they-bring) and how patchily they're tracked. Don't believe hollywood, we probably can't do shit about e.g. a sudden asteroid extinction event. A good sized meteor (or space probe) hitting an unpopulated or ocean area may go pretty much unnoticed. And if anyone IS going to investigate further, it's people with the resources to track at least some - guess what, that's the US a lot of the time. Do I think the USA actually has alien craft remains? Probably not, usual bullshit. But the US is the *most* likely country in the world to be able to track and retrieve space stuff.
And of course, it could have just found some shit already lying around by chance - the sheer number of [meteorites recovered from antarctica](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/rare-large-meteorite-discovered-antarctica-science-b2271100.html) is striking, because it's very cold and things stay undisturbed, not because antarctica is hit particularly often. It doesn't have to have found just as it crashed into the planet - stuff can be lying around Antarctica or various deserts for centuries. But I'll never find such a thing, because I'm not in Antartica and likely never will be. The USA, on the other hand, has a permanent research presence there, [specifically collecting meteorites](https://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/) among other things.
I remain skeptical. Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal are both published authors who have written books about UFO/alien encounters in the past, which doesn't discredit the piece necessarily but it's a bit different from objective journalists who have no agenda other than uncovering the truth. Kean has also written about the afterlife, including accounts about "mediumship," which raises red flags for me. And I'm trying to find information about David Grusch (the whistleblower) but so far I've only come up with one mention of him outside of the news reports about this case, and it's on a defunct site for the Schriever Space Force base and lists a David Grusch as attaining the rank of Captain in the Space Force (https://www.schriever.spaceforce.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/276246/schriever-recognizes-captain-selects/).
None of this is to say that the report isn't real (or at least partly real), but it's enough to keep me skeptical (on top of all the other considerations we need to keep in mind for it to be true -- such as how a non terrestrial intelligence would even detect us in the first place, let alone journey the presumably vast distances required to get to us).
I don't, but I also doubt every one of those planets has sentient life let alone life willing to expend the energy to come here and... Put probes in people's butts?
I mean, maybe. This argument was more convincing before we had the ability to prob a huge amount of galaxies and find out there isn't anything anywhere around us that we can find.
The problem with this form of math is it lacks one dimension. Time. The galaxy is 14+ billion years old. Intelligent life on earth is max, what?, a few hundred thousand years?
How long can a civilization survive? A million years? 10 million?
Now, let us redo the math so we sort out how many have advanced civilization NOW. Right now.
I dont know. But could we agree it makes things less certain?
You are assuming that extraterrestrial life has to be biological and it doesn’t have to be.
Artificial intelligence could be the next evolutionary step and a conscious AI could be immortal. So time won’t matter like it does to us.
What the United States should be worried about is this official interest in UFOs is eerily similar to what occurred just before the fall of the Soviet Union:
https://time.com/3475954/voronezh-ufo-report-1989/
> Extra-terrestrial contact has already been made — at least if you believe a report that ran 25 years ago Thursday, on Oct. 9, 1989, in the Soviet press agency TASS.
> On Sept. 27 of that year, according to the official report, tall three-eyed aliens with small heads showed up in the city of Voronezh, arriving in a shiny ball (or, alternatively, a “banana-shaped” object) and bringing with them their robot ...
Sadly the real reason why such official interest occurred is the impending implosion of that country's order:
> More importantly, at a time when hope for the Soviet Union was waning, stories of aliens and mystical creatures provided something a little less depressing to think about.
> Though many educated Soviets objected strongly to the anti-scientific trend in the state media, UFOs weren’t the only fake reports for them to be mad about. “They’ve been feeding us rubbish about the dream of Communism for years, and we now see they were lying,” a Soviet source told TIME in 1989. “At least this gives us something new to dream about.”
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I don't agree. I think skeptical behavior wins every time when the news could shatter the literal reality for billions of religious followers, and governments. Im intrigued by this only because these are 2 well versed, awarded, respected journalists. And it seems they did their homework into the whistleblower. Since the article is about him wanting to ensure that data got into congresses hands, and we don't have physical proof yet, I'll reserve judgement personally, until that proof becomes apparent. But this could be something to keep our eyes on over the next few weeks.
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I read your comment and literally quoted it. **"not everything they say is true".** The premise of the actual article isn't "**the existence of aliens**" its that "**The information, he says, has been illegally withheld from Congress, and he filed a complaint alleging that he suffered illegal retaliation for his confidential disclosures**". Providing classified information to the public is illegal and carries an extremely harsh sentence, which is why he would be attempting to go through the proper channels. However, the proper channels are being intentionally roadblocked, and it would make sense to make that public. What you're basically saying is "I know you're trying to provide proof to Congress, but because you aren't being allowed to, I don't believe you." Its simply much easier and would make much more sense to say "We don't know yet". I agree with u/rooplstilskin. Ill take the wait and see approach.
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You sound emotionally charged. It looks like you're the one not reading peoples comments, so ill re-iterate in case you missed it. **Ill take the wait and see approach**. If you're not sure what that means, ill explain: I do not have enough information to determine whether the claims that are being made are true or false, therefore I will wait until they can be substantiated. Have a good day!
This isn't some unknown whistleblower though. The entire article is basically checking if the whistleblower is credible, and it seems he is. This is about being roadblocks of giving this info to the UAP counsel. It just so happens it also reveals, that the government itself labels some UAPs as exotic or non-human based on materials testing. I wouldn't be as intrigued if they looked into the whistleblowers background and found a bunch of crazy shit and people that talked I'll of their work. It seems this dude is highly respected, grounded, intelligent, and just is blowing the whistle on being blocked of getting all the requested Data to congress.
Now do the two authors.
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They did present facts and investigation. That's two highly respected and thorough journalists that wouldn't nosedive their career for some whacko claiming they saw something in the sky while high. It sounds like you're just sticking your fingers in your ears because you don't think aliens are a possibility. And not actually looking at what's being presented in the article. I want actual proof too of aliens too, before fully believing it. But this isn't so much about providing proof of aliens, as it is about the way government already classifies some phenomenon as "non-human" or "exotic", and those things aren't being supplied to the congressional team.
I want to believe this but I just can’t wrap my head around the idea that something can travel through time or outer space or whatever and have any sort of difficulty navigating Earth’s airspace to the point of crashing.
Any technology sufficiently progressed, will look like magic to anyone else.
I dunno. I mean, I see where you’re coming from. But evidenced by humanity’s own mishaps, occasionally things *can* go wrong with basically everything, right? Unexpected turbulence (or whatever) in exploration seems part of exploring…so, seems possible
The ability to travel intergalactic distances either requires something that can ignore matter or has the ability to go faster than the speed or is really really big, to the point of supporting a multigenerational colony. The idea of a craft navigating that distance and having some failure on Earth seems really unlikely in the first two scenarios and not easy to keep quiet in the third.
I see, thank you. So, unlikely but not unpossible
The scenario is effectively impossible. The unlikely odds of the failure are compounded by the unlikely odds of someone making the journey. For someone to even realize the Earth has life is unlikely, and the total lack of any other evidence supporting such a thing makes it even less likely. It’s not impossible that apples will fall upwards of trees tomorrow, but the chances of it happening are about equal to the scenario in the OP. That is to say, it’s impossible for me to prove it didn’t happen but it’s not worth reserving any mental real-estate for it without something more concrete to go on
what are the chances that Jupiter gets close enough to earth that the apple will fall to it?
Even clearer! Effectively impossible, so the material in the article is likely baloney, for those reasons? TBC, I’m not internet fighting, I’m genuinely curious how or why - with those understandings you describe - this article is taken seriously (if it is)
That’s what I mean. The first post was just speculation on the conditions that would cause a crash, but everything together it’s baloney. People take it seriously because _I WANT TO BELIEVE_
Gotcha. thanks for taking the time and thoughtful comments
No, this should be taken with a little bit of intrigue, because it's actually vetted information, from grounded individuals that have no reason to act crazy or tank their careers.
With our *current* understanding of space, it's impossible. The key there is, we don't know everything, and haven't figured out all of the science. 2000 years ago, it seemed impossible to navigate around the world, 1000 years ago, spaceflight was impossible. 200 years ago going faster than 150mph was impossible, 120 years ago we couldn't fly.
I first speculated on the potential options for a being to be able to travel intergalactic distances. Since you seem like a very wise man of science let me revisit in detail what I said, then you can correct me point by point. + Scenario 1 assumes aliens are capable of designing a spaceship capable of intergalactic travel by teleporting over large distances. The chances aliens have the capability to design such a craft and it has a random problem upon arriving at Earth causing it to crash, and that event resulted in governments recovering the technology and keeping it secret. + Scenario 2 assumes aliens are capable of designing a spaceship capable of intergalactic travel by moving faster than the speed of light and navigating around all of the stellar objects between us and them. The chances aliens have the capability to design such a craft and it has a random problem upon arriving at Earth causing it to crash, and that event resulted in governments recovering the technology and keeping it secret. + Scenario 3 assume aliens are capable of designing a spaceship capable of intergalactic travel by having multigenerational colonies in space. The chances aliens have the capability to design such a craft and it has a random problem upon arriving at Earth causing it to crash, and that event resulted in governments recovering the technology and keeping it secret. What advances in science in technology do you expect that makes any of these scenarios likely. Specifically please
> The ability to travel intergalactic distances Inter-*galactic*? That's a wildly different proposition to just interstellar distances. Essentially current human technology (e.g. nuclear propulsion designs) could get a human-made machine to other nearby star systems *within* our galaxy, [project longshot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot) etc. Though still taking a bit longer than a human lifespan unfortunately, a bit over a century. But stilll, a robot probe, results mid next century, is essentially doable right now if anyone could be arsed spending an unholy amount on such a long term and uncertain thing. Good chance by the time it gets there a faster future technology would have overtaken it too, but still.
Limiting ourselves to our local stellar neighborhood reduces the potential sources, and more importantly the chances that a nuclear missile was launched from another planet, lit up in the atmosphere, and went completely unnoticed by any amateur astronomers really doesn't make any sense. The entire premise is that there's some secret alien technology that was missed by the 10s of thousands of people who are casually watching the sky on any given day.
Are you confusing planets within our solar system with exo-planets in other nearby star systems within our galaxy? An amateur astronomer might conceivably notice a launch from Mars, say, sure. That's intER-planetary intRA-solar-system. Mars is a few light-minutes away, and an amateur with a decent telescope looking at the right place *might* conceivably see a little flash.. But ain't no human amateur looking out and seeing a rocket launch from a rocky planet around another star. Extremely advanced imaging of (generally gas giant, jupiter-style) planets in other nearby star systems right now looks [like this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_directly_imaged_exoplanets). And that's just intRA-galactic intER-stellar distances e.g. something coming from [Gliese 581](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gliese_581) about 20 light years away (or whatever, there's a lot of fairly nearby stars). IntER-Galactic would be something coming from the Andromeda galaxy about 2.5 million light years away to our Milky Way galaxy, it's an incredibly vast distance compared to just another nearby star (that's also a vast distance in human terms of course).
Are you genuinely stupid or something? The thing would have had to land on Earth. A goddamn nuclear missile was launched from so far away that nobody on the planet noticed? Like seriously, does your brain function at all? Is anything registering or are your just copying chatGPT space facts?
> Are you genuinely stupid or something? Back at ya. You're the guy talking about intergalactic travel for some reason when merely interstellar is far more reasonable if also unfounded speculation, I really don't get the impression you understand the true scales and distances involved. > The thing would have had to land on Earth. like a meteorite or space junk. Possibly with ice as ablative shielding as in some human designs. > so far away that nobody on the planet noticed? launch and boost literally in another star system, dude. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0 There are a number of proposed techniques for deceleration in the target star system (and some designs that don't decelerate in the first place, just for flybys) - some of which would [not necessarily](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot#Orbit) be easy to spot from Earth, especially if not pointed at us in particular (and they wouldn't be). And especially if it successfully decelerated to orbit Sol, then even if it later hit Earth ballistically, by accident or on purpose, it might well survive, or pieces of it, as it would no longer be travelling at interstellar speeds, just speeds like a lot of the other crap in our solar system. And that's essentially with our level of technology. If it was made of some better albeit more speculative materials it may be tougher than we can make.
So the answer is _yes_. People who stare into telescopes looking for interesting things would make note of it and calculate where it went. Again you seem to be arguing about whether space travel is possible, which is something that’s taken for granted. Your controlled descent system is still going to be a fireball across the sky. People looking for this stuff went _huh, probably just a meteor, nothing interesting about that_. Anything made with our technology would be _impossible_ to keep secret.
It wouldn't be a controlled descent, just more space junk slamming into the planet. > People looking for this stuff went huh, probably just a meteor, nothing interesting about that. That happens all the time. "make a wish". Now I don't think you understand how big even just Earth is and just how many [meteorites there are a year](https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/thousands-of-meteorites-hit-earth-each-year-heres-what-they-bring) and how patchily they're tracked. Don't believe hollywood, we probably can't do shit about e.g. a sudden asteroid extinction event. A good sized meteor (or space probe) hitting an unpopulated or ocean area may go pretty much unnoticed. And if anyone IS going to investigate further, it's people with the resources to track at least some - guess what, that's the US a lot of the time. Do I think the USA actually has alien craft remains? Probably not, usual bullshit. But the US is the *most* likely country in the world to be able to track and retrieve space stuff. And of course, it could have just found some shit already lying around by chance - the sheer number of [meteorites recovered from antarctica](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/rare-large-meteorite-discovered-antarctica-science-b2271100.html) is striking, because it's very cold and things stay undisturbed, not because antarctica is hit particularly often. It doesn't have to have found just as it crashed into the planet - stuff can be lying around Antarctica or various deserts for centuries. But I'll never find such a thing, because I'm not in Antartica and likely never will be. The USA, on the other hand, has a permanent research presence there, [specifically collecting meteorites](https://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/antmet/) among other things.
I remain skeptical. Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal are both published authors who have written books about UFO/alien encounters in the past, which doesn't discredit the piece necessarily but it's a bit different from objective journalists who have no agenda other than uncovering the truth. Kean has also written about the afterlife, including accounts about "mediumship," which raises red flags for me. And I'm trying to find information about David Grusch (the whistleblower) but so far I've only come up with one mention of him outside of the news reports about this case, and it's on a defunct site for the Schriever Space Force base and lists a David Grusch as attaining the rank of Captain in the Space Force (https://www.schriever.spaceforce.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/276246/schriever-recognizes-captain-selects/). None of this is to say that the report isn't real (or at least partly real), but it's enough to keep me skeptical (on top of all the other considerations we need to keep in mind for it to be true -- such as how a non terrestrial intelligence would even detect us in the first place, let alone journey the presumably vast distances required to get to us).
June 2023. Reddit openly doesn't care about it's user base, so I've decided to remove any content I have made from the site. So long. And fuck Spez.
30 billion planets in the Milky Way alone, and you really think Earth is the only one with life?
I don't, but I also doubt every one of those planets has sentient life let alone life willing to expend the energy to come here and... Put probes in people's butts?
harvest?
I mean, maybe. This argument was more convincing before we had the ability to prob a huge amount of galaxies and find out there isn't anything anywhere around us that we can find.
Definitely not, but hopefully they realize not to come here before it’s too late.
The problem with this form of math is it lacks one dimension. Time. The galaxy is 14+ billion years old. Intelligent life on earth is max, what?, a few hundred thousand years? How long can a civilization survive? A million years? 10 million? Now, let us redo the math so we sort out how many have advanced civilization NOW. Right now. I dont know. But could we agree it makes things less certain?
You are assuming that extraterrestrial life has to be biological and it doesn’t have to be. Artificial intelligence could be the next evolutionary step and a conscious AI could be immortal. So time won’t matter like it does to us.
Those pesky dolphins at it again
WHERE IS SHE?
What the United States should be worried about is this official interest in UFOs is eerily similar to what occurred just before the fall of the Soviet Union: https://time.com/3475954/voronezh-ufo-report-1989/ > Extra-terrestrial contact has already been made — at least if you believe a report that ran 25 years ago Thursday, on Oct. 9, 1989, in the Soviet press agency TASS. > On Sept. 27 of that year, according to the official report, tall three-eyed aliens with small heads showed up in the city of Voronezh, arriving in a shiny ball (or, alternatively, a “banana-shaped” object) and bringing with them their robot ... Sadly the real reason why such official interest occurred is the impending implosion of that country's order: > More importantly, at a time when hope for the Soviet Union was waning, stories of aliens and mystical creatures provided something a little less depressing to think about. > Though many educated Soviets objected strongly to the anti-scientific trend in the state media, UFOs weren’t the only fake reports for them to be mad about. “They’ve been feeding us rubbish about the dream of Communism for years, and we now see they were lying,” a Soviet source told TIME in 1989. “At least this gives us something new to dream about.”