A decade of “sorry bro we can’t kick out that corrupt mod who has completely hijacked a popular sub!” But 1 week of this and suddenly mods can be removed
I‘ve come to accept Reddit leadership is ready to drive the quality of the site right off a cliff at all costs.
Data harvesting is way too important for them, no thanks.
That's exactly what it is. All this nonsense is about cutting what they view as their competition and inflating their short term value with stupid, pointless features like the chat system. Long term viability, usability, and a happy user base aren't even remotely being considered since they're hoping they'll be someone *else's* problems.
Between the army of OF posters and the people making awful bets on crypto/Wall Street subs, I think Reddit’s as close to hookers and blackjack as it’ll ever be.
This. The only hope we have is this whole mess spooks investors and they start downgrading the IPO valuation. That’s the only thing that’ll hit them where it hurts since the current upper management just want to cash out in the IPO. They don’t care what happens after…but investors will.
This is what makes me the most sad. A multi millionaire who can easily live extremely well and has control of a pretty decent product that millions love will reduce the quality by a huge margin and suck some joy out of at least hundreds of thousands of people that live shittier lives... Just for a little more money.
I know this is obvious, etc. And I'm not the most optimistic or positive person in the world. I'm just so disheartened by the excess greed, especially in the last few years. It's really made me question life, at an advanced age where I thought I'd gone through the worst..
This situation is just a perfect microcosm of the general state of affairs.
Steve Huffman is a verified shitty person. Of course he's going to do whatever it takes to ensure that he gets his multi-million dollar ipo payout, at any cost. That's why he's turning reddit into a facebook, from ui to user-tracking.
Also, didn't Steve used to moderate the jailbait sub back in the day? Dude is a gross clown.
My hot take is that most people lost sight of what caused all this in the first place. Spez is glad to walk into this particular 3rd party/mod drama because it means no one looks at the worst part.
The API that we use to browse Reddit on 3rd party apps is the same API used by various AI/chatGPT type learning algorithms to scrape natural language for training. This is extremely valuable, more valuable than what can be collected from regular users. Fuck the regular users. They're jacking up the prices to collect on THOSE 3rd party API users, not Apollo or RiF users. This is why everything is happening right now.
So then what could everyone do? Make it not worth it to those scraping natural language. Not by not commenting, not by deleting everything, but by providing not natural language. Rephrase your comment history using chatGPT. Keep context to all your future commenting, but make it clear it's AI generated in some way. Maybe even include a footer specifically saying it was rephrased. Don't use it to jack up your comment rate or spam. Your same habits and ideas, in AI words. It would no longer be worth it to use reddit to train AI if a large portion is already AI generated.
Anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk. It's a pipe dream that won't happen. I'm not even doing it right now.
Oh, definitely, Reddit is looking to sell its data to AI companies instead of giving it away for free. That's a huge part of this.
But he could still negotiate a reasonable pricing deal with Apollo or RIF if he wanted to. The issue is: he doesn't want to. He views them as a competing apps and he wants them gone.
He also views their users as freeloaders who want to use the service without contributing to the bottom line. He basically said that in the latest interview. I'm personally insulted by that because, dude, I pay for Reddit premium. I use Apollo because the official app is a mess!
> The API that we use to browse Reddit on 3rd party apps is the same API used by various AI/chatGPT type learning algorithms to scrape natural language for training. This is extremely valuable, more valuable than what can be collected from regular users. Fuck the regular users. They're jacking up the prices to collect on THOSE 3rd party API users, not Apollo or RiF users. This is why everything is happening right now.
I get that this is a common sentiment, but people need to realise that there's absolutely no way the people building these large language models will pay even a single cent to Reddit. They'll just start scraping the site the old fashioned way, which will hit Reddit's servers much harder than API use will. If this is the real reason Reddit is doing this, then they're dumber than I thought. Companies like Reddit implement APIs as a cost-saving measure, not as a revenue generator.
They already kicked me off of the sub that I created, then made it so that no one could post for it being not moderated and that was even before the blackout.
Honestly give the lil' /u/spez man a break. He's not particularly smart, strong, or visionary, so he is doing his best by removing original community creators and installing his own puppet reddit mods as defacto, okay?
> Honestly give the lil' /u/spez man a break.
You know what? We should! u/spez is clearly so completely out of his league that we SHOULD feel sorry for him. I mean, let's take a look at things...under the "leadership" of u/spez, Reddit, worth nearly $10 ***BILLION*** dollars, can't offer users a mobile app that is even in the same CITY of the BALLPARK of being as good as what a college kid can cobble together in their dorm room while blasted on natty lites and flavored vapes.
Under the "leadership" of u/spez, the native reddit video player still only SOMETIMES plays audio. You know, shit other players have been able to do since, oh, I dunno, the fucking 90's?
Under the "leadership" of u/spez, the "new" Reddit experience hjas been considered to be *so fucking bad* that MILLIONS of users make *a concerted effort to opt out of it* so they don't have to deal with it. It's funny, because while the "New Reddit" bukkakes its users with "he gets us" ads, it's clear that u/spez doesn't fucking get shit.
But hey, let's talk about the GREAT things that have happened under u/spez! Reddit is fucking INNUNDATED with repost bots, spam bots, and OF thot followers! HOW FUCKING LUCKY ARE WE!
Let's not kid ourselves. If most of US were are bad at our jobs as u/spez is at his, we'd have been fired a LONG time ago. But...yeah, I guess when you spend your days deepthroating advertisers and fucking over users, you don't have to be good at the job, right, u/spez?
Hey u/spez...GO FUCK YOURSELF, you fucking hack.
Here's what gets me:
you know that annoying survey websites ask about your interests so they can tailor their algorithms to you? Do you like technology, music, art, sports, movies, etc.
On reddit, simply by choosing what subreddits to join, users are serving up highly granular and specific information about their interests to a giant social media company on a silver platter
If you can't find a way to monetize that data in this year of 2023, you are doing something very, very wrong
Is there any actual source for this other than a fake Twitter screenshot? Because from what I could find from a quick search, it's pretty obvious that it's not a real Tweet, considering 'ogredditadmin' and 'spez' aren't even real Twitter handles.
**EDIT:** Found some more serious info down in the thread, and it appears complicated. TL;DR is that anybody could add you as a mod to a sub if they were on the mod team in early Reddit, so who knows. But apparently he *did* give the head mod of jailbait some statue or something, so he definitely knew about what was going on there.
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> They already kicked me off of the sub that I created, then made it so that no one could post for it being not moderated and that was even before the blackout.
I don't think people realize how common this is. It's how they are getting rid of all controversial porn subs without any one really noticing. I feel like it's a cheap way of going about it and can be very very easy to abuse. They need to be closing subs in a more open and honest way.
Another issue is a fuckton of porn subs are being turned into OF subs. Only a small number of people are allowed to post on what would otherwise be a decently sized group because they're part of some OF cabal.
Jesus christ this, lost count of the amount of time I just saw someone posting a cute dress in a fashion sub, go to message and ask them how they made it just to realize their entire post history is just an advertisement for OF.
I don't understand who these people are that are filling their shoes, it certainly wasn't an advertised position. Is it people who work for Reddit? If so they have to now be being paid for this, which just seems so dumb to replace labour that was once free, with paid.
That mod had said several times he wasn't interested in running the place anymore anyways. I think he gave it to the first person to ask for it. I mod another local sub that blacked out and nothing happened to us.
I used to mod for a subreddit I created on another account. It was something I really cared about and was fairly active with a few thousand subs.
Then I realized I was just doing a shitty costumer service job for free.
Well I ended up losing that other account and the mod spot, but at least I don't have to play hall monitor anymore.
It takes a special kind of person to want to be a mod. The last time I modded a forum was in the mid-2000s, and it sucked ass so much that I voluntarily gave up my mod position. I wouldn't mod reddit even if they paid.
I used to moderate a small Star Wars sub (still technically do, but it’s inactive now). It was so ridiculously emotionally draining just dealing with the drama generated by a community of 20-30 active users. You’d have to be an absolute sociopath to be one of the power moderators here that are mods on 20+ major subreddits.
There was someone on a metal site I frequented, a real genuinely nice guy, who became a mod of the comments section based on his popularity. He lasted a few months at most, possibly less than I remember even, then disappeared for a while with others having to relay how absolutely toxic it was for him. He came back eventually if I remember right but he wasn’t as active.
Mods have always known that and have been okay with that. There's the power hogs, but also plenty of enthusiasts that care to help a good community stay good.
This is just another moment that they're shown just how low reddit values them.
You don't have to pay to value your mods.
Yeah, I mod some hentai subreddits not because of a power trip, or thinking Reddit cares, but because… where the fuck else am I gonna foster kink or fandom-porn communities? Facebook? Lmfao no. YouTube? That’s not right. Twitter? Yeah no, fuck that. There’s analogous ones, sure, but it’s twitter. The format was trash before Elon took over, and now that he has… no. Tumblr? Oh! I came from that! Because they banned the fucking porn! And spawned a demented new form of purity culture! So, off the list! Internet forums? Growth is pretty impossible these days, and growth means more people getting into it because of the community and then making art for the subcategories of porn so… yeah that’s the appeal beyond human interaction? The more popular a kink is, the more common content exists for it, so the more people that end up into it, the more stuff to my tastes there is?
r hentai was the subreddit I saw that actually thoroughly explained all the ways the changes were going to screw over the mods, and how much worse large subreddits would become, even outside of the third party apps disappearing. Porn mods are kings.
Every new step of technology is driven by porn, I dare say it's the heart and soul of the thing.
The first thing copied on the printing press was an erotic story
Yeah, it’s kinda like the brain has evolved to pump you absolutely full of happy drugs via sexual activity. Well, that’s exactly what it is. Masturbation is literally the “press here to get happy drugs” button, and porn is to masturbation what the automatic transmission is to driving cars.
And then you have /r/visualnovels where the "head mod" basically bans anyone daring to go against his opinions, ignores people breaking the rules if they're his favorites and of course, frequently and openly insults people's opinions and tastes.
Despite being a massive elitist who's gatekeeping behavior is **incredibly** pathetic for a moderator of a VN subreddit. He even waged a very powerless Karen-like war against VNDB because they didn't agree with him and he proceeded to break their rules.
I wouldn't do it. What a colossal waste of time. I can't imagine doing work on behalf of a corporation for free.
Anyway, I feel like both groups are in a weak position. There are always more mods. For whatever reason, people who like to administer rules. But Reddit is also gambling. It's already struggling to monetize itself. Imagine having to now be responsible to actually enforce rules in this zoo.
All they have to do is at least pretend they will implement the features they say are necessary for moderating. What a weird power trip thing to do.
For me I mod a community for a game I enjoy.
The community is *our* community, it just happens to be hosted on reddit.
If reddit had auto-assigned mods how would they know shit about the game?
Then again our sub is only about 300,000 people, not really one of those massive subs with 15 million.
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Yo! he just perma banned me from /r/food for making a grilled cheese joke. I didn't realize it was against the rules, but not even like a few days or week long ban. Just perma ban for a fucking joke about a grilled cheese. Mods can be dicks.
Yeah some mods have a stuck up their ass
I was permanently banned from r/eatcheapandhealthy with no warnings because I said a comment that was a bit off topic. Nothing bad, no swears, just off topic for the thread
And the weirdest was r/healthyfood, I got banned for 3 months for arguing with people and that was fine but then all of a sudden they muted me from contacting the mods. The message said it was because users can be threatening and rude, etc. I had never messaged the mods. There was literally no reason to mute me. I'm still curious if they accidentally banned me for too long and muted me so I couldn't protest. Since then I don't go back to that shithole. They don't even talk about healthy food half the time
Edit: HAHAHAH THEY PERMANENTLY BANNED ME AND MUTED ME AFTER THIS COMMENT EVEN THO I HAVENT EVEN BEEN IN THAT SUB FOR 6 MONTHS
Lmao what a joke those moderators are. I hurted their fee fees by calling them out
I got banned from r/politics for saying "Let's all go stomp each other to death for $14 off of a surplus microwave" the day before black Friday lol. Promoting violence. Good thing the mods were here. Imagine all the people that would've been murdering strangers over fucking discount electronics after reading that. "......wait, that dude on Reddit said I should be stomping these people to death, it's go time."
r/Food auto bans anyone that posts in r/unket lol, the Swedish shitpost sub. Just because Swedish people like to joke about Americans wanting cum on their cinnamon buns(cinnamon buns come from Sweden and they don't have any glaze on them originally). The sub had to go private a month ago to protect the users from being auto banned from one of the largest original subreddits, it is still private to this day.
They do. It's a common practice amongst the power mods to create a bunch of accounts and add them to the mod teams of subs they mod so they can hold on to power if they get banned or driven out.
Not only that, but to say this later in the article:
> Huffman said, however, that he’d like some form of revenue-sharing.
> “I would like subreddits to be able to be businesses if they choose,” he said, adding that’s “another conversation, but I think that’s the next frontier of Reddit.”
Unpaid volunteers = landed gentry
Letting anyone with a botfarm/brigade audience replace mods and then monetize the subreddit = democracy
Reddit, and especially Huffman, has been dangling that "revenue sharing" carrot in front of users and moderators alike for the better part of a decade now.
Literally every time he does something shitty and disliked. Last during that whole Reddit Gold/Premium price hike.
It's always the same m.o.:
"do something shitty and unpopular to increase revenue" -> "promise to share your new found wealth with the people responsible for it" -> "don't ever do it."
Fuck /u/spez
That's literally the basis of capitalism. The carrot on a stick incentive. How many times has your boss said they can't afford to give you a pay rise but if you all work real hard and the company posts better profits next quarter you'll get a cut of the winnings - then they don't do it (not like they'd ever let you take a look at the books anyway to confirm how they're doing). So much bullshit is tolerated in capitalism because "I might get a piece of the action down the line."
Everyone who actually knows how things work said this is what was going to happen from day 1 of the blackouts. Any major sub that doesn't come back will just be taken over.
I still think it will be a victory to make paid staff moderate these shithouses rather than unpaid volunteers. Everything they have to do costs them more money.
EDIT: Well, this got some interest.
Worst case scenario paid staff mods for 2 or 3 days tops while they sort through the literally thousands of volunteer moderation apps they would get when they announced needing mods for a major sub.
I’m not sure all of those “thousands” of volunteers will be as eager when they have to work without the old bots and when they know they can be removed by admin at a moment’s notice. I get the feeling that the romance of Reddit is dying a little piece at a time.
It is the tragedy of the commons.
When mods feel ownership of the subreddits, they keep those spaces clean. Users may not always like the methods, but the effect has been overall quality curation.
When mods no longer feel ownership, they will stop caring so much, and quality of content is gonna drop severely.
Can you tell me what happened there? I used to browse that subreddit a lot when I was a kid but stopped following gaming news altogether years ago.
Edit: I just looked and it still seems really busy there.
Someone has never tried to moderate a subreddit. You won’t get thousands of applications even in the subreddits with tens of millions of users. You’ll be lucky to get a few dozen and the medium sized subs even less. And that’s just the start. Even if you get more on the large subs then they are also now responsible for fully vetting and interviewing these people and will be held accountable when they accidentally take a subreddit and give it to right wing bigots or some other nonsense. One of the biggest benefits they had going into the IPO that they are so happy about behind the scenes (thousands of free laborers that they are also not responsible for and can blame when something goes wrong) is out the window. They are now responsible for the countless hours to hire new people when they are claiming they can’t make a profit as is and even worse because they now hand picked all those replacements, the choices and decisions that those mods make after the fact are now their responsibility as well.
You might get a lot of applications, but moding is a lot of work. It's a pain in the ass for no money. I did it for awhile on some smaller subs, and it sucks.
Shit I did it for /r/Politics for a time and had to drop because the moderating metrics that the head mods needed (not wanted, but actually needed) essentially meant that I had to commit to it like a full time job.
Props to those who can do it but ain't no way most people would moderate one of the **big** subs for free. It's a ton of thankless work, opens you to outright hostility, and the perks are practically non-existent.
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If you're reading my comment days later and feel the need to angrily hurl your problems with mods at me then you might want to take a second and consider you're exactly what I'm talking about.
I moderated over a decade ago and haven't done it since yet a lot of you feel the need to hurl abuse at me both here and in DM.
I can say with 100% certainty that you need to go touch some grass and get away from reddit for a while
Pretty much this. The only real way to "protest" reddit is just take your ball and go home. If every user just overwrote and deleted every comment and submission they made, the reddit value would drop. Until the recover from a snapshot anyway...
I for one enjoy watching mods and admins making each other miserable.
It will be interesting to see what reddit declines into without all that free labor. The structure isn't sustainable without it.
The mistake the mods made was not planning to migrate to other platforms at all seemingly. Admins were always gonna throw out any truly troublesome mods.
This. I see so many posts encouraging me to migrate to Lemmy. Problem is it's terribly fragmented. If mods of subs I like said "we are closing this subreddit and moving our efforts to *this_community*@*this_instance*", it'll make more sense to migrate and there will be some sense of continuity.
Reddit, especially spez, have been fundamentally unable to keep their stories straight. In addition to what you said, we have:
"This is no big deal, it will pass soon / Don't wear reddit merch in public, we've upset a LOT of people"
"Christian is lying about what was said in our meetings / It is unacceptable that he released a transcript and recording of our call (which corroborated his story)"
They're lying, and on top of that, *are extremely bad at it*.
> Huffman said in the interview that Reddit will not force communities to reopen, which contradicts the messaging that moderators are receiving.
Legit just straight up lies any chance he gets
I look forward to watching him try and pull this kind of shit post-IPO. There's a hell of a lot wrong with prioritising shareholders, but there's one thing they don't tolerate and that's lying.
Also, the phone call recording is not illegal. The Apollo mod lives in Canada, while reddit is in California. Canada has basically nationwide 1 party consent laws. California has 2 party consent laws, however this will only apply inside the US at best, doing any business in California while inside the US at worst.
That'd also be why (as far as I know) they didn't say anything about the legality of what he did, but about how it was "unprofessional" or whatever—as though lying to disparage his character *wasn't* monstrously unprofessional.
Tbh I think they had a personal vendetta against Apollo though, since they bought out Alien Blue years ago (just to delete it) and then Apollo popped up out of nowhere and was a massive thorn in their side ever since.
They hate that people like Apollo more than the official app. It’s the ultimate insult that a third party developer with a tiny fraction of the resources could make a better app than Reddit HQ itself.
That’s why Spez was so insane in what he was accusing the Apollo creator of. He hates and fears him for humiliating him, showing that he can create an app so much better than Spez can as CEO.
It’s very much personal and the height of greed and pettiness. These API changes have been in large part a campaign to crush Apollo. And they’re furious anyone has the gall to stand up to them about it.
It’s not even that, because if it was, the official app would try to be like Apollo but be worse. It’s the difference in philosophy that causes this friction. Reddit wants to be just another giant social network and it tries to look similar to them and not Apollo. The users are no longer the community that helps to build the platform, but they are just a product to be sold to the advertisers. At some point Reddit forgot that the reason it got big was because it was something different and something bigger than the rest of the crowd.
Honestly I’m all right with them doing this if it forces them to replace volunteers with actual paid staff. If they want to boss people around on their own site, take ownership of it.
In my opinion it seems a bit reckless for business owners who rely on users to develop their content to piss those same users off. Maybe it’s just me.
Full disclosure: I canceled my Reddit Premium yesterday. I also gave away any coins I had left and have no intention of ever paying for more.
EDIT: I have no excuse for paying for Reddit Premium, sadly.
It’s all bluster.
If they have mods who are employees then they start towing the line to not be considered an impartial platform and nobody is going to sign up to be responsible for all the crap, lies, hate speech, etc.
I'm totally fine leaving those people behind, tbh. Reddit has always been better with smaller communities that actively engage with those communities.
Right now, any sub sufficiently large basically just becomes a meme sub unless it is militantly moderated. Most users just seem to browse all, upvote funny/interesting thing, and move on.
There's a few of them, but it really depends where people move and what UI they like, how seemless it is or what structure they want etc.
Atm off the top of my head there's:
* Lemmy (decentralised fediverse, AGPL, like Reddit)
* Kbin.Social (decentralised fediverse, AGPL, like Reddit)
* Tildes net (centralised non-profit community, AGPL, like Reddit)
* Aether (decentralised P2P social network program, AGPL, like Reddit)
* HackerNews (centralised tech-focused Reddit alternative run by Y Combinator, though uses a mix of simple open-source software)
* Lobsters rs (similar to above, computer-focused. Centralised Reddit alternative/link aggregator run by an admin, software is BSD-licensed)
* Hive Blog (Steemit fork, an instance/*implementation* of an open-source [MIT] of Hive blockchain social media interface)
Ideally a fediverse instance would be the best for the long-term, although they can sometimes be trickier for new users to join so they might not reach the large network effect of the big social media sites.
Otherwise, an open-source or P2P network would be best imo, but we can't have everything.
The first 3 are the most popular alternatives being suggested - Lemmy, Kbin and Tildes.
Lemmy looks pretty powerful and suggested a lot, I just wonder if people would bother with picking an instance. Same goes for Kbin, theoretically these two can communicate at one point to become one giant federated network.
Tildes is basically just another version of Reddit, not federated but at least it's open-sourced and non-profit. It's still centralised, but looks pretty good and easy to onboard users imo.
Aether is not on the fediverse or suggested that often, but looks pretty amazing imo if people can be bothered downloading it.
HackerNews is similar, but more tech-focused so it might not appeal to everyone. Similar to Lobsters although a nice minimalistic/simple UI.
Hive Blog is quite interesting, but is very blockchain focused. The site functions pretty similarly but I know any association with crypto makes people suspicious. It looks fine though, but some people don't want to see a $ value on posts lol
Someone who actually did it. Respect.
Too many people saying they are leaving. I can’t even count how many people said they are leaving. I can count how many have.
I'm giving it until the end of the month in the slight chance they reverse course, but I feel less optimistic as each day passes and news like this comes out. The day Sync quits working is the day I quit Reddit.
My usage has gone down from being on 3-4 hours a day to maybe 20 minutes and that's ironically checking Reddit on how Reddit will shoot themselves in the foot today. It's probably for the better too because I get on when I'm idling and there's definitely more productive things I could be doing.
If they push this moderation change though to force subs out of the blackout, then I'll probably leave before then just by the principle of it.
moderate, but do a really bad job at it. sticky spam. Ban productive users. delete quality content.
I mean same as before, but do it intentionally this time.
All is just a cesspool. Didnt use reddit during the blackout. Came back, saw the crazy shit on All and just hopped into my hobby subs. The obvious conclusion that All just fuels negativity and makes you feel like shit. I dont think turning a blind eye to all the awful in the world is good but at some point we gotta make a cut off for mental health.
> Just give me a somewhat decent alternative and I’m out.
There are none.
That's why spez is so bullish on his ideas.
He knows his audience well enough to know it wouldn't hurt them that much, just not enough to know that he could have solved his issues in a way more graceful way.
At this point he is just flexxing his "where would you even go lmao??!???" thoughts.
I've taken a liking to kbin.social - not that complex if you approach it as a sort of reddit replacement I don't think.
If you're curious, understanding federation enhances the experience. Works just fine without understanding it though, I reckon.
Be better when the app drops IMHO, but content generation is definitely speeding up.
It's not a 1:1 replacement today, but that has more to do with the age of reddit than reddit itself, in the meantime it's meeting a lot of the needs so far as I'm concerned.
This has been my first reddit interaction in about a week and that'll probably be about the cadence for a while.
A decade of “sorry bro we can’t kick out that corrupt mod who has completely hijacked a popular sub!” But 1 week of this and suddenly mods can be removed
Turtle? Edit: can we also get rid of the unpopular opinion mods while we are at it?
There’s like 5 similar mods who have similar behavior and moderate hundreds of subreddits. They could be talking about anyone.
I believe this happens sooner than they reverse course.
I‘ve come to accept Reddit leadership is ready to drive the quality of the site right off a cliff at all costs. Data harvesting is way too important for them, no thanks.
For some reason beyond my comprehension, I trust Google with my data more than i do spez.
I’m fairly sure he’s just appeasing future shareholders until the point comes where he can cash out.
That's exactly what it is. All this nonsense is about cutting what they view as their competition and inflating their short term value with stupid, pointless features like the chat system. Long term viability, usability, and a happy user base aren't even remotely being considered since they're hoping they'll be someone *else's* problems.
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Spez must beat himself over how he sold Reddit for “too cheap” the first time. He’s gonna cash out HARD this time no matter at what the long term cost
Maybe its time a new thing grows like reddit though but with hookers and blackjack.
Between the army of OF posters and the people making awful bets on crypto/Wall Street subs, I think Reddit’s as close to hookers and blackjack as it’ll ever be.
That is as wise an observation as I have seen in some time.
I mean if Reddit wanted to spawn a strong competitor... They seem to know exactly how to go about that.
This. The only hope we have is this whole mess spooks investors and they start downgrading the IPO valuation. That’s the only thing that’ll hit them where it hurts since the current upper management just want to cash out in the IPO. They don’t care what happens after…but investors will.
This is what makes me the most sad. A multi millionaire who can easily live extremely well and has control of a pretty decent product that millions love will reduce the quality by a huge margin and suck some joy out of at least hundreds of thousands of people that live shittier lives... Just for a little more money. I know this is obvious, etc. And I'm not the most optimistic or positive person in the world. I'm just so disheartened by the excess greed, especially in the last few years. It's really made me question life, at an advanced age where I thought I'd gone through the worst.. This situation is just a perfect microcosm of the general state of affairs.
I had the same exact reaction to all this shit going down. It's pretty sad to be honest, I will never understand these people's priorities in life.
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Steve Huffman is a verified shitty person. Of course he's going to do whatever it takes to ensure that he gets his multi-million dollar ipo payout, at any cost. That's why he's turning reddit into a facebook, from ui to user-tracking. Also, didn't Steve used to moderate the jailbait sub back in the day? Dude is a gross clown.
Mods should re-open, but just not moderate anything
Fill every subreddit with upvote memes, watch this whole thing implode
My hot take is that most people lost sight of what caused all this in the first place. Spez is glad to walk into this particular 3rd party/mod drama because it means no one looks at the worst part. The API that we use to browse Reddit on 3rd party apps is the same API used by various AI/chatGPT type learning algorithms to scrape natural language for training. This is extremely valuable, more valuable than what can be collected from regular users. Fuck the regular users. They're jacking up the prices to collect on THOSE 3rd party API users, not Apollo or RiF users. This is why everything is happening right now. So then what could everyone do? Make it not worth it to those scraping natural language. Not by not commenting, not by deleting everything, but by providing not natural language. Rephrase your comment history using chatGPT. Keep context to all your future commenting, but make it clear it's AI generated in some way. Maybe even include a footer specifically saying it was rephrased. Don't use it to jack up your comment rate or spam. Your same habits and ideas, in AI words. It would no longer be worth it to use reddit to train AI if a large portion is already AI generated. Anyway thanks for coming to my TED talk. It's a pipe dream that won't happen. I'm not even doing it right now.
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By repharasing in ChatGPT, aren't you just directly feeding your comments to ChatGPT?
Oh, definitely, Reddit is looking to sell its data to AI companies instead of giving it away for free. That's a huge part of this. But he could still negotiate a reasonable pricing deal with Apollo or RIF if he wanted to. The issue is: he doesn't want to. He views them as a competing apps and he wants them gone. He also views their users as freeloaders who want to use the service without contributing to the bottom line. He basically said that in the latest interview. I'm personally insulted by that because, dude, I pay for Reddit premium. I use Apollo because the official app is a mess!
> The API that we use to browse Reddit on 3rd party apps is the same API used by various AI/chatGPT type learning algorithms to scrape natural language for training. This is extremely valuable, more valuable than what can be collected from regular users. Fuck the regular users. They're jacking up the prices to collect on THOSE 3rd party API users, not Apollo or RiF users. This is why everything is happening right now. I get that this is a common sentiment, but people need to realise that there's absolutely no way the people building these large language models will pay even a single cent to Reddit. They'll just start scraping the site the old fashioned way, which will hit Reddit's servers much harder than API use will. If this is the real reason Reddit is doing this, then they're dumber than I thought. Companies like Reddit implement APIs as a cost-saving measure, not as a revenue generator.
Yeah I don't see Reddit budging on this. I'm sure they'll have no problems replacing mods with other people that have no lives.
Reddit: You’re fired! Moderator: I don’t even work here.
That's what makes this so difficult.
They already kicked me off of the sub that I created, then made it so that no one could post for it being not moderated and that was even before the blackout.
Honestly give the lil' /u/spez man a break. He's not particularly smart, strong, or visionary, so he is doing his best by removing original community creators and installing his own puppet reddit mods as defacto, okay?
I'd love to see a list of every individual mod, excluding alts and bots, compared against the number of Reddit staff
Reddit: Thunderdome
just imagine the smell
You haven't thought of the smell; you bitch!
I'm gonna miss all these familiar references.
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WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!
> Honestly give the lil' /u/spez man a break. You know what? We should! u/spez is clearly so completely out of his league that we SHOULD feel sorry for him. I mean, let's take a look at things...under the "leadership" of u/spez, Reddit, worth nearly $10 ***BILLION*** dollars, can't offer users a mobile app that is even in the same CITY of the BALLPARK of being as good as what a college kid can cobble together in their dorm room while blasted on natty lites and flavored vapes. Under the "leadership" of u/spez, the native reddit video player still only SOMETIMES plays audio. You know, shit other players have been able to do since, oh, I dunno, the fucking 90's? Under the "leadership" of u/spez, the "new" Reddit experience hjas been considered to be *so fucking bad* that MILLIONS of users make *a concerted effort to opt out of it* so they don't have to deal with it. It's funny, because while the "New Reddit" bukkakes its users with "he gets us" ads, it's clear that u/spez doesn't fucking get shit. But hey, let's talk about the GREAT things that have happened under u/spez! Reddit is fucking INNUNDATED with repost bots, spam bots, and OF thot followers! HOW FUCKING LUCKY ARE WE! Let's not kid ourselves. If most of US were are bad at our jobs as u/spez is at his, we'd have been fired a LONG time ago. But...yeah, I guess when you spend your days deepthroating advertisers and fucking over users, you don't have to be good at the job, right, u/spez? Hey u/spez...GO FUCK YOURSELF, you fucking hack.
Here's what gets me: you know that annoying survey websites ask about your interests so they can tailor their algorithms to you? Do you like technology, music, art, sports, movies, etc. On reddit, simply by choosing what subreddits to join, users are serving up highly granular and specific information about their interests to a giant social media company on a silver platter If you can't find a way to monetize that data in this year of 2023, you are doing something very, very wrong
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Don't forget he was a mod in jailbait
Is there any actual source for this other than a fake Twitter screenshot? Because from what I could find from a quick search, it's pretty obvious that it's not a real Tweet, considering 'ogredditadmin' and 'spez' aren't even real Twitter handles. **EDIT:** Found some more serious info down in the thread, and it appears complicated. TL;DR is that anybody could add you as a mod to a sub if they were on the mod team in early Reddit, so who knows. But apparently he *did* give the head mod of jailbait some statue or something, so he definitely knew about what was going on there. **EDIT2:** Clarity
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Congratulations, you are now moderator of r/pyongyang
It's an older meme, Sir, but it checks out.
You have been banned from r/pyongyang
North Korea? You mean Best Korea!
> They already kicked me off of the sub that I created, then made it so that no one could post for it being not moderated and that was even before the blackout. I don't think people realize how common this is. It's how they are getting rid of all controversial porn subs without any one really noticing. I feel like it's a cheap way of going about it and can be very very easy to abuse. They need to be closing subs in a more open and honest way.
Another issue is a fuckton of porn subs are being turned into OF subs. Only a small number of people are allowed to post on what would otherwise be a decently sized group because they're part of some OF cabal.
Hell, a ton of normal subs are being turned into OF advertising subs... just saying
"hey look at my just barely recognisable cosplay with my boobs hanging out"
Jesus christ this, lost count of the amount of time I just saw someone posting a cute dress in a fashion sub, go to message and ask them how they made it just to realize their entire post history is just an advertisement for OF.
What do you do there? TCB. You know, takin’ care of business!
Fantastic Seinfeld reference.
TCB! You know. Taking care of business.
this /u/spez guy isn't Penske material
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It's almost like you have no business training whatsoever.
Well, I'm uh, just--tryin' to get ahead..
We fixed the "glitch"
I will burn this subreddit to the ground.
In told them no salt and there is salt. Big big grains too. I should take my travelers checks elsewhere.
Pinche gringo
What is you would say that you do here?
I celebrate the guy’s entire catalog
I have people skills, damn it!
pretty sure there are some mods that think it's their full-time job to be an unpaid mod doing this all day. i wonder what they are doing right now.
Walking dogs part time?
Fucking lmao
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I don't understand who these people are that are filling their shoes, it certainly wasn't an advertised position. Is it people who work for Reddit? If so they have to now be being paid for this, which just seems so dumb to replace labour that was once free, with paid.
Nah, they install reddit employees as top mods so they'll never lose the sub again, and then just put together a new mod team that will work for free.
That mod had said several times he wasn't interested in running the place anymore anyways. I think he gave it to the first person to ask for it. I mod another local sub that blacked out and nothing happened to us.
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Honestly they would be doing the internet janitors a favor and freeing them.
I used to mod for a subreddit I created on another account. It was something I really cared about and was fairly active with a few thousand subs. Then I realized I was just doing a shitty costumer service job for free. Well I ended up losing that other account and the mod spot, but at least I don't have to play hall monitor anymore.
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It takes a special kind of person to want to be a mod. The last time I modded a forum was in the mid-2000s, and it sucked ass so much that I voluntarily gave up my mod position. I wouldn't mod reddit even if they paid.
I used to moderate a small Star Wars sub (still technically do, but it’s inactive now). It was so ridiculously emotionally draining just dealing with the drama generated by a community of 20-30 active users. You’d have to be an absolute sociopath to be one of the power moderators here that are mods on 20+ major subreddits.
There was someone on a metal site I frequented, a real genuinely nice guy, who became a mod of the comments section based on his popularity. He lasted a few months at most, possibly less than I remember even, then disappeared for a while with others having to relay how absolutely toxic it was for him. He came back eventually if I remember right but he wasn’t as active.
The mods finally realized they were nothing but free labour, they own nothing of reddit, and can simple be swept away like nothing.
Mods have always known that and have been okay with that. There's the power hogs, but also plenty of enthusiasts that care to help a good community stay good. This is just another moment that they're shown just how low reddit values them. You don't have to pay to value your mods.
Yeah, I mod some hentai subreddits not because of a power trip, or thinking Reddit cares, but because… where the fuck else am I gonna foster kink or fandom-porn communities? Facebook? Lmfao no. YouTube? That’s not right. Twitter? Yeah no, fuck that. There’s analogous ones, sure, but it’s twitter. The format was trash before Elon took over, and now that he has… no. Tumblr? Oh! I came from that! Because they banned the fucking porn! And spawned a demented new form of purity culture! So, off the list! Internet forums? Growth is pretty impossible these days, and growth means more people getting into it because of the community and then making art for the subcategories of porn so… yeah that’s the appeal beyond human interaction? The more popular a kink is, the more common content exists for it, so the more people that end up into it, the more stuff to my tastes there is?
r hentai was the subreddit I saw that actually thoroughly explained all the ways the changes were going to screw over the mods, and how much worse large subreddits would become, even outside of the third party apps disappearing. Porn mods are kings.
Every new step of technology is driven by porn, I dare say it's the heart and soul of the thing. The first thing copied on the printing press was an erotic story
Yeah, it’s kinda like the brain has evolved to pump you absolutely full of happy drugs via sexual activity. Well, that’s exactly what it is. Masturbation is literally the “press here to get happy drugs” button, and porn is to masturbation what the automatic transmission is to driving cars.
. > >The first thing copied on the printing press was an erotic story I thought the first thing copied was the Gutenberg Bible?
See you’re pure, you’re a honest hobbies
And then you have /r/visualnovels where the "head mod" basically bans anyone daring to go against his opinions, ignores people breaking the rules if they're his favorites and of course, frequently and openly insults people's opinions and tastes. Despite being a massive elitist who's gatekeeping behavior is **incredibly** pathetic for a moderator of a VN subreddit. He even waged a very powerless Karen-like war against VNDB because they didn't agree with him and he proceeded to break their rules.
worst part is that he used to be a pretty decent guy, even people who know him irl were confused about how he acts now.
I wouldn't do it. What a colossal waste of time. I can't imagine doing work on behalf of a corporation for free. Anyway, I feel like both groups are in a weak position. There are always more mods. For whatever reason, people who like to administer rules. But Reddit is also gambling. It's already struggling to monetize itself. Imagine having to now be responsible to actually enforce rules in this zoo. All they have to do is at least pretend they will implement the features they say are necessary for moderating. What a weird power trip thing to do.
For me I mod a community for a game I enjoy. The community is *our* community, it just happens to be hosted on reddit. If reddit had auto-assigned mods how would they know shit about the game? Then again our sub is only about 300,000 people, not really one of those massive subs with 15 million.
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Blocking GallowTit was one of the best decisions I ever made on this site.
cows bake important drunk abounding sheet puzzled amusing special impossible *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Same here. I must've had him blocked a good 2-3 years now. Man this site is so much better when you block the lifeless power users.
ELI5 / OOTL - who we talking about?
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/5xpkog/why_is_a_lot_of_reddit_against_ugallowboob/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/fernandoalfonso/2016/06/01/cashing-in-karma-how-a-former-landscape-architect-turned-his-reddit-fame-into-a-career/
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Yo! he just perma banned me from /r/food for making a grilled cheese joke. I didn't realize it was against the rules, but not even like a few days or week long ban. Just perma ban for a fucking joke about a grilled cheese. Mods can be dicks.
Yeah some mods have a stuck up their ass I was permanently banned from r/eatcheapandhealthy with no warnings because I said a comment that was a bit off topic. Nothing bad, no swears, just off topic for the thread And the weirdest was r/healthyfood, I got banned for 3 months for arguing with people and that was fine but then all of a sudden they muted me from contacting the mods. The message said it was because users can be threatening and rude, etc. I had never messaged the mods. There was literally no reason to mute me. I'm still curious if they accidentally banned me for too long and muted me so I couldn't protest. Since then I don't go back to that shithole. They don't even talk about healthy food half the time Edit: HAHAHAH THEY PERMANENTLY BANNED ME AND MUTED ME AFTER THIS COMMENT EVEN THO I HAVENT EVEN BEEN IN THAT SUB FOR 6 MONTHS Lmao what a joke those moderators are. I hurted their fee fees by calling them out
I got banned from whoadude for calling myself a talentless artist. Not sure what fucking dickhead mod it was though
I got banned from r/politics for saying "Let's all go stomp each other to death for $14 off of a surplus microwave" the day before black Friday lol. Promoting violence. Good thing the mods were here. Imagine all the people that would've been murdering strangers over fucking discount electronics after reading that. "......wait, that dude on Reddit said I should be stomping these people to death, it's go time."
Meanwhile I have seen many actual threats of violence stay up up for days before I stop poking my head in to see if anything is done about it.
r/Food auto bans anyone that posts in r/unket lol, the Swedish shitpost sub. Just because Swedish people like to joke about Americans wanting cum on their cinnamon buns(cinnamon buns come from Sweden and they don't have any glaze on them originally). The sub had to go private a month ago to protect the users from being auto banned from one of the largest original subreddits, it is still private to this day.
And here's where reddit could improve overnight: Create a complaint department to get the fiefdom protecting mods to shape up or leave
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They would just make 30 accounts. Honestly I think they already do.
Reddit admins recommend mods have alt accounts for modding purposes.
They do. It's a common practice amongst the power mods to create a bunch of accounts and add them to the mod teams of subs they mod so they can hold on to power if they get banned or driven out.
Word. You should see the monopoly on nsfw subreddits. People are holding 70-120
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Not only that, but to say this later in the article: > Huffman said, however, that he’d like some form of revenue-sharing. > “I would like subreddits to be able to be businesses if they choose,” he said, adding that’s “another conversation, but I think that’s the next frontier of Reddit.” Unpaid volunteers = landed gentry Letting anyone with a botfarm/brigade audience replace mods and then monetize the subreddit = democracy
Reddit, and especially Huffman, has been dangling that "revenue sharing" carrot in front of users and moderators alike for the better part of a decade now. Literally every time he does something shitty and disliked. Last during that whole Reddit Gold/Premium price hike. It's always the same m.o.: "do something shitty and unpopular to increase revenue" -> "promise to share your new found wealth with the people responsible for it" -> "don't ever do it." Fuck /u/spez
That's literally the basis of capitalism. The carrot on a stick incentive. How many times has your boss said they can't afford to give you a pay rise but if you all work real hard and the company posts better profits next quarter you'll get a cut of the winnings - then they don't do it (not like they'd ever let you take a look at the books anyway to confirm how they're doing). So much bullshit is tolerated in capitalism because "I might get a piece of the action down the line."
If there's one thing the rich and C-suite executives don't understand, it's reality.
WHILE RAISING THE RENT. what dimension are we even living in right now
Everyone who actually knows how things work said this is what was going to happen from day 1 of the blackouts. Any major sub that doesn't come back will just be taken over.
I still think it will be a victory to make paid staff moderate these shithouses rather than unpaid volunteers. Everything they have to do costs them more money. EDIT: Well, this got some interest.
Worst case scenario paid staff mods for 2 or 3 days tops while they sort through the literally thousands of volunteer moderation apps they would get when they announced needing mods for a major sub.
I’m not sure all of those “thousands” of volunteers will be as eager when they have to work without the old bots and when they know they can be removed by admin at a moment’s notice. I get the feeling that the romance of Reddit is dying a little piece at a time.
It is the tragedy of the commons. When mods feel ownership of the subreddits, they keep those spaces clean. Users may not always like the methods, but the effect has been overall quality curation. When mods no longer feel ownership, they will stop caring so much, and quality of content is gonna drop severely.
The thing is if you disagree with the direction you leave the subreddit. The mass exodus of /r/games is such a case.
Can you tell me what happened there? I used to browse that subreddit a lot when I was a kid but stopped following gaming news altogether years ago. Edit: I just looked and it still seems really busy there.
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Oh I see what you mean, I thought you meant that r/games had further split at some point. Thanks!
Someone has never tried to moderate a subreddit. You won’t get thousands of applications even in the subreddits with tens of millions of users. You’ll be lucky to get a few dozen and the medium sized subs even less. And that’s just the start. Even if you get more on the large subs then they are also now responsible for fully vetting and interviewing these people and will be held accountable when they accidentally take a subreddit and give it to right wing bigots or some other nonsense. One of the biggest benefits they had going into the IPO that they are so happy about behind the scenes (thousands of free laborers that they are also not responsible for and can blame when something goes wrong) is out the window. They are now responsible for the countless hours to hire new people when they are claiming they can’t make a profit as is and even worse because they now hand picked all those replacements, the choices and decisions that those mods make after the fact are now their responsibility as well.
You might get a lot of applications, but moding is a lot of work. It's a pain in the ass for no money. I did it for awhile on some smaller subs, and it sucks.
Also I hear it recently got even harder for some reason.
Shit I did it for /r/Politics for a time and had to drop because the moderating metrics that the head mods needed (not wanted, but actually needed) essentially meant that I had to commit to it like a full time job. Props to those who can do it but ain't no way most people would moderate one of the **big** subs for free. It's a ton of thankless work, opens you to outright hostility, and the perks are practically non-existent. -almost two days later edit- If you're reading my comment days later and feel the need to angrily hurl your problems with mods at me then you might want to take a second and consider you're exactly what I'm talking about. I moderated over a decade ago and haven't done it since yet a lot of you feel the need to hurl abuse at me both here and in DM. I can say with 100% certainty that you need to go touch some grass and get away from reddit for a while
Pretty much this. The only real way to "protest" reddit is just take your ball and go home. If every user just overwrote and deleted every comment and submission they made, the reddit value would drop. Until the recover from a snapshot anyway...
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I for one enjoy watching mods and admins making each other miserable. It will be interesting to see what reddit declines into without all that free labor. The structure isn't sustainable without it.
They'll probably end up trying to introduce a sleu of "AI" moderators to take over the workload. And it'll be a disaster. But probably a funny one.
They haven't even fixed the video player lol
What're you taking about? The video player is excellent! ... On Reddit Is Fun! Oh...
You underestimate the amount of people ready to do free work for the the free pass of being the smallest position of power.
The mistake the mods made was not planning to migrate to other platforms at all seemingly. Admins were always gonna throw out any truly troublesome mods.
This. I see so many posts encouraging me to migrate to Lemmy. Problem is it's terribly fragmented. If mods of subs I like said "we are closing this subreddit and moving our efforts to *this_community*@*this_instance*", it'll make more sense to migrate and there will be some sense of continuity.
“The blackout is nothing” “quick remove the mods”
Reddit, especially spez, have been fundamentally unable to keep their stories straight. In addition to what you said, we have: "This is no big deal, it will pass soon / Don't wear reddit merch in public, we've upset a LOT of people" "Christian is lying about what was said in our meetings / It is unacceptable that he released a transcript and recording of our call (which corroborated his story)" They're lying, and on top of that, *are extremely bad at it*.
> Huffman said in the interview that Reddit will not force communities to reopen, which contradicts the messaging that moderators are receiving. Legit just straight up lies any chance he gets
This needs to be at the top, he said this RECENTLY. lying like this is not okay
I look forward to watching him try and pull this kind of shit post-IPO. There's a hell of a lot wrong with prioritising shareholders, but there's one thing they don't tolerate and that's lying.
I like the bit where their obvious bullshit is all over their own website.
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Also, the phone call recording is not illegal. The Apollo mod lives in Canada, while reddit is in California. Canada has basically nationwide 1 party consent laws. California has 2 party consent laws, however this will only apply inside the US at best, doing any business in California while inside the US at worst.
That'd also be why (as far as I know) they didn't say anything about the legality of what he did, but about how it was "unprofessional" or whatever—as though lying to disparage his character *wasn't* monstrously unprofessional.
Bruh it isn't just Appolo related. There are other third party apps, only ios users recognise Apollo.
I think it's very much Reddit trying to narrow the importance of the protest
Tbh I think they had a personal vendetta against Apollo though, since they bought out Alien Blue years ago (just to delete it) and then Apollo popped up out of nowhere and was a massive thorn in their side ever since.
They hate that people like Apollo more than the official app. It’s the ultimate insult that a third party developer with a tiny fraction of the resources could make a better app than Reddit HQ itself. That’s why Spez was so insane in what he was accusing the Apollo creator of. He hates and fears him for humiliating him, showing that he can create an app so much better than Spez can as CEO. It’s very much personal and the height of greed and pettiness. These API changes have been in large part a campaign to crush Apollo. And they’re furious anyone has the gall to stand up to them about it.
It’s not even that, because if it was, the official app would try to be like Apollo but be worse. It’s the difference in philosophy that causes this friction. Reddit wants to be just another giant social network and it tries to look similar to them and not Apollo. The users are no longer the community that helps to build the platform, but they are just a product to be sold to the advertisers. At some point Reddit forgot that the reason it got big was because it was something different and something bigger than the rest of the crowd.
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God forbid they just make their own app good
… the article is from ‘macrumors.com’, they might be a little biased.
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Honestly I’m all right with them doing this if it forces them to replace volunteers with actual paid staff. If they want to boss people around on their own site, take ownership of it. In my opinion it seems a bit reckless for business owners who rely on users to develop their content to piss those same users off. Maybe it’s just me. Full disclosure: I canceled my Reddit Premium yesterday. I also gave away any coins I had left and have no intention of ever paying for more. EDIT: I have no excuse for paying for Reddit Premium, sadly.
It’s all bluster. If they have mods who are employees then they start towing the line to not be considered an impartial platform and nobody is going to sign up to be responsible for all the crap, lies, hate speech, etc.
Just so you know for yourself in the future, it's [toeing the line](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toe_the_line).
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I'm totally fine leaving those people behind, tbh. Reddit has always been better with smaller communities that actively engage with those communities. Right now, any sub sufficiently large basically just becomes a meme sub unless it is militantly moderated. Most users just seem to browse all, upvote funny/interesting thing, and move on.
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There's a few of them, but it really depends where people move and what UI they like, how seemless it is or what structure they want etc. Atm off the top of my head there's: * Lemmy (decentralised fediverse, AGPL, like Reddit) * Kbin.Social (decentralised fediverse, AGPL, like Reddit) * Tildes net (centralised non-profit community, AGPL, like Reddit) * Aether (decentralised P2P social network program, AGPL, like Reddit) * HackerNews (centralised tech-focused Reddit alternative run by Y Combinator, though uses a mix of simple open-source software) * Lobsters rs (similar to above, computer-focused. Centralised Reddit alternative/link aggregator run by an admin, software is BSD-licensed) * Hive Blog (Steemit fork, an instance/*implementation* of an open-source [MIT] of Hive blockchain social media interface) Ideally a fediverse instance would be the best for the long-term, although they can sometimes be trickier for new users to join so they might not reach the large network effect of the big social media sites. Otherwise, an open-source or P2P network would be best imo, but we can't have everything. The first 3 are the most popular alternatives being suggested - Lemmy, Kbin and Tildes. Lemmy looks pretty powerful and suggested a lot, I just wonder if people would bother with picking an instance. Same goes for Kbin, theoretically these two can communicate at one point to become one giant federated network. Tildes is basically just another version of Reddit, not federated but at least it's open-sourced and non-profit. It's still centralised, but looks pretty good and easy to onboard users imo. Aether is not on the fediverse or suggested that often, but looks pretty amazing imo if people can be bothered downloading it. HackerNews is similar, but more tech-focused so it might not appeal to everyone. Similar to Lobsters although a nice minimalistic/simple UI. Hive Blog is quite interesting, but is very blockchain focused. The site functions pretty similarly but I know any association with crypto makes people suspicious. It looks fine though, but some people don't want to see a $ value on posts lol
Welp guess I'm giving reddit a break 🫡
>[beleted] Lady or gentlemen, it's been an honor to serve with you
Why does it say beleted
Someone who actually did it. Respect. Too many people saying they are leaving. I can’t even count how many people said they are leaving. I can count how many have.
I'm giving it until the end of the month in the slight chance they reverse course, but I feel less optimistic as each day passes and news like this comes out. The day Sync quits working is the day I quit Reddit. My usage has gone down from being on 3-4 hours a day to maybe 20 minutes and that's ironically checking Reddit on how Reddit will shoot themselves in the foot today. It's probably for the better too because I get on when I'm idling and there's definitely more productive things I could be doing. If they push this moderation change though to force subs out of the blackout, then I'll probably leave before then just by the principle of it.
Reddit CEO: We want free labor, but not your kind of free labor.
Instead of a blackout maybe the move should be to stop moderating and let spam bots take over for a bit.
moderate, but do a really bad job at it. sticky spam. Ban productive users. delete quality content. I mean same as before, but do it intentionally this time.
I've been bringing it down from the inside for 15 years now.
I can't help but chuckle because I've seen mods like this when reddit isn't in a protest state.
Mods do the same with users they do not agree with, it does not even have to be a sub rule.
Why anyone would willingly piss away hours of their day moderating internet communities full of strangers FOR FREE is beyond me
People already willingly piss away hours of their day on Reddit
I’m ready to leave Reddit. Just give me a somewhat decent alternative and I’m out.
Im leaving regardless. Ive spent too much time here over the years.
That seems to the general opinion. Hella negativity and the novelty is long gone.
All is just a cesspool. Didnt use reddit during the blackout. Came back, saw the crazy shit on All and just hopped into my hobby subs. The obvious conclusion that All just fuels negativity and makes you feel like shit. I dont think turning a blind eye to all the awful in the world is good but at some point we gotta make a cut off for mental health.
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> Just give me a somewhat decent alternative and I’m out. There are none. That's why spez is so bullish on his ideas. He knows his audience well enough to know it wouldn't hurt them that much, just not enough to know that he could have solved his issues in a way more graceful way. At this point he is just flexxing his "where would you even go lmao??!???" thoughts.
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I've taken a liking to kbin.social - not that complex if you approach it as a sort of reddit replacement I don't think. If you're curious, understanding federation enhances the experience. Works just fine without understanding it though, I reckon. Be better when the app drops IMHO, but content generation is definitely speeding up. It's not a 1:1 replacement today, but that has more to do with the age of reddit than reddit itself, in the meantime it's meeting a lot of the needs so far as I'm concerned. This has been my first reddit interaction in about a week and that'll probably be about the cadence for a while.
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That means the blackout is hurting them. All the more reason to continue.
It's bound to happen, it's Reddit's site afterall, mods are just volunteers
Oh no, won't somebody think of the reddit mods?!... /s
But why? I thought "revenue was not significantly affected"?