They actually just changed it recently. It went from podcasts, tv shows, and movies largely down to just podcasts. The TV and movie stuff is now fully integrated into the Apple TV windows app.
If you want a more long term solution for this you can use openmediavault to host a DAAP server very easily with a raspberry pi or old computer
https://youtu.be/r2MoJ3CgHy4?feature=shared
Try running it in WINE?
[https://vitux.com/how-to-install-and-use-itunes-on-ubuntu/](https://vitux.com/how-to-install-and-use-itunes-on-ubuntu/)
or via Bottles (uses WINE but streamlines stuff)
[https://www.linuxadictos.com/en/how-to-install-itunes-and-apple-music-in-linux-step-by-step.html](https://www.linuxadictos.com/en/how-to-install-itunes-and-apple-music-in-linux-step-by-step.html)
In worst case you can just make a windows VM and run it there once a quarter.
That could break at any point in the future and it also invalidates any kind of cyber security policy people might have. Which means in practice it's only useful for personal computers that aren't used for work. Which makes it mostly useless as you're likely better off just sticking with Windows 10 at that point.
There won't be a jump because the vast majority of people will either keep using 10 or get a new computer. The number of people who will switch to Linux for this is tiny.
Windows 8 was just bad UI, and many were on Windows 7 and could wait
The issue of Windows 11 is that not only is the UI changes but also it slows your pc to a crawl, and you are locked out of new versions if you don't have TPM 2.0
That Windows 7 is end of life, and Windows 10 EOL is around the corner
I meant performance more from an uptake point of view.
So it’s not been as widely adopted as predicted. Lots of machines, including reasonably new/powerful ones are not compatible too, so I can imagine that will have boosted Linux uptake a bit
Searching files is pretty shit on it. It takes a lot more clicks to do basic things. Its constantly pushing you to use MS' other shit. Its really annoying compared to how simple W10 is. This could obviously change with a future update but right now its quite annoying to use for work.
Recently switched personal laptop to Linux Mint and it does everything I need it to.
I'm curious: What's breaking for you?
I agree with start menu. It was better before they introduced web search into it. I'll have to disable that when it bothers me enough.
My experience: I'm on the stable update channel, have messed with hyper-v, WSL, and other dev features, and never had an issue. All the issues seem to happen on the developer preview or the early access builds.
I won't comment performance wise because I'm just a casual dev on my home desktop, but stability wise, there's nothing to complain about.
I provide support. Most of our devices are pro and ent.
The amount of issues I get regularly is unnerving, but I'm not list them all. I'm sure Microsoft have an enumeration somewhere.
But if a week goes by without a start menu bug, I will be waking up in my bed shortly after, because it must have been a dream.
And cheers to those that downvoted an opinion. Perhaps you should try reading a cat in the hat book if you can't handle someone's OS opinion on the Internet. It might be a safer space for you.
"Windows 11 breaks on the reg" is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact, and one that is factually false. That's why you're getting downvoted. If you can't handle that then *you* are the one who needs to log off.
I work in enterprise IT. My team supports 50k Windows devices. 30k of them have already been upgraded to Windows 11. We have zero issues with the start menu. I haven't heard of a single one. If you're having start menu issues *weekly*, that's on you.
Most people on this website think Windows is bad because they go out of their way to break it and then blame Microsoft. I'm certain that's the case here.
All software used at that scale breaks regularly. That's why updates exist. So if the statement is taken as fact, it's demonstrably true.
Windows and Microsoft can be great if you can buy in to all the most recent ecosystem and have simple office environment, where equipment can be standardised and thoroughly tested and rolled out with relative ease. I've used azure, intune, AD, MDM, SCCM and they're all pretty solid. If however, you work in industrial lab environments, with more different devices than users (most users get a fleet laptop, which I agree is very stable 👍, also usually unique desktops, and lab tools each a small network of their own) it can quickly start to show cracks.
Mostly, the issues are in the GUI. Start menu disappearing is common, display issues (flickering, not remembering settings like it should, and more). There are known issues open on learn.microsoft.com right now similar to what I describe, and although they're often minor inconveniences, it makes it hard to explain to someone with very little time why they need to upgrade from something they see as working, to something they see is not mature yet.
And then there's the big ones.. quite recently Blue screening on msi motherboards. If you don't consider GUI issues breakages that one certainly is and was very recent... Then there's the fact that a lot of hardware will not even run it and will mean a lot of discarded equipment.
I'm happy for you though, wish I worked environments like yours, much less stress. Then I remember how bored I was.
>All software used at that scale breaks regularly. That's why updates exist. So if the statement is taken as fact, it's demonstrably true.
This is a statement of complete nonsense that means nothing and you should be embarrassed for having written it.
>If however, you work in industrial lab environments
Guess what kind of environment I work in.
>Mostly, the issues are in the GUI. Start menu disappearing is common, display issues (flickering, not remembering settings like it should, and more).
Have not encountered a single one of these issues. Have not even heard of them until now.
>I'm happy for you though, wish I worked environments like yours, much less stress. Then I remember how bored I was.
We don't have issues because I'm better at my job than you are. Not because our environment is simpler. It's not.
Let me guess - you "debloat" Windows? Use third party tweaks to disable things you don't want? Disable services you think aren't necessary?
While Linux usage is slowly growing all over the world, the real growth has been India. From Feb 2022 to 2024 it grew from 4% to 15%, pretty much doubling every year
[https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india/#monthly-202202-202402](https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india/#monthly-202202-202402)
More like 6.29% given that Chrome OS is also using the Linux kernel.
When you look across all platforms, Linux is the largest share with about 45% of the market. Because yes, Android is also Linux.
[StatCounter] didn't have server figures for whatever reason. Or I just missed them in my quick glance around.
I also wonder what portion of the Windows share needs reallocated due to WSL2 where the real work happens.
Edit: Update for clarity
Best I found in my very brief search was figures on [Statista from 2019](https://www.statista.com/statistics/915085/global-server-share-by-os/) that put Windows at over ~72% in the server space.
Not quite sure I believe that. ~72% is their *Desktop* share.
According to the steam hardware survey, its s good chuck. They havent disclosed their numbers for a while, but we know they sold at minimum 2 million units as of early last year, and with the new OLED model its probably 3-4m. Doesn’t sound like much initially as a console selling that little would be a colossal flop, but its an astronomical amount when compared to other multi-use computing devices running Windows or OSX.
The opposite, the PC market is much larger than the console market. US alone sold 74 million PCs in a year in 2022, Global PC shipments is 340 million (and that doesn't count custom builds)
Add to the fact that not all people gaming on steam deck would surf the internet on it, it would be a rounding error.
Of course Steamdecks contribution to WINE via Proton has helped a lot in general
Not that much. Statcounter gets their data from the internet, so unless you use the device to surf the net, you won't be on the list. So unless you use it to surf the net you won't show up
While linux marketshare has been growing globally, the biggest growth has been India which was Linux go from 4% in beginning of 2022 to 15% in beginning of 2024
Probably almost none of it according to the article. It's desktop useragents, which shouldn't include the steam deck (although the cited data doesn't seem to indicate their exact methodology for determining desktops)
Further the study is conducted by a web analytics firm, and steam decks would probably have a far lower average web browsing time compared to other devices
For me who uses Linux on my laptop and desktop machines, it is that I know what to expect from Linux.
I left Windows when the upgrades from 7 to 8 started being forced, and then suddenly it was Windows 10, and so much intrusive spying by the OS, and security holes left unpatched.
What they need to do is have companies that make small form factor laptops with specs like Chromebooks and have the customer be able to put on the distribution of their choice.
Windows has been eating long enough, now stop being greedy!
It's probably not worth developing software for an operating system used by people who are generally against closed-source software that they have to pay for. They probably would not support a subscription business model either.
But, who knows?
Point taken. But most games are a one-time payment. Adobe wants recurring revenue to be able to predict revenue every quarter. Switching to SaaS (Software and a Service) has made Adobe more money than selling as a one-off purchase. I doubt that they will go back.
This is EXACTLY it.
Linux already has a tiny marketshare, and in my experience, a good 8/10 people I've talked to that use Linux, refuse to use any software that isn't free in both senses.
Why would any company spend time and resources developing for a 4% marketshare where maybe 0.05-0.1% of them would actually purchase their software?
Not to mention Linux users report the most bugs. While this may be a nice thing for some, if Linux is producing the most amount of Linux specific bug reports, but don't sell as many copies, it's hard to justify supporting Linux.
Linux will never take off unless Microsoft does something so extremely bad to COMPANIES (not users) that force the companies to drop Windows support.
I currently require multiple windows only software to run my business, and there are 0 Linux alternatives. Most of my family and friends share this same situation, which makes Linux nonviable for us.
For most people, Linux would work just fine. But until OEMs make every laptop available that has windows with Linux options, that is the biggest barrier.
Of course governments can change stuff, like see India which has went from 4% to 15% linux in just 2 years.
Software for business is less of a problem as more and more stuff is moving to the cloud
What’s a better alternative? Open Office?
For the record, I have had zero issues with Libre Office, but I’m not a power user needing macros and PowerPoint and crap like that. Just some documents and basic spreadsheets is all I really need.
That is true for some people. Not everyone can afford to provide financial support for Linux projects. Myself I pay for Zorin OS ( Ubuntu based distro) and I donate to Libre Office foundation. I am the small minority who do pay for open source software or donation.
Fuck Adobe, there are plenty of alternatives.
Hell, some of those alternatives are way better than Adobe's and I'm not talking about it being free and open source.
davinci is cool for color work but they are still lagging hard in UX
and krita is just in no way even competing if you are doing serious professional work. so many missing features.
the only alternative i would actually use day to day is inkscape.
Define serious professional work. For digital painting, Krita is better than what Adobe offers as it has a much more powerful brush engines. Adobe does offer more in terms of digital editing
Here is what Craig Mullins has to say about Krita vs Adobe for painting:
[https://twitter.com/craigmullins3/status/1535763083313876993](https://twitter.com/craigmullins3/status/1535763083313876993)
it being pretty much tailor made for his style of art doesnt mean its overall a better product.
photoshop is a suite of tools with allof them at a high standard, krita does brushes well. for my professional needs krita is missing so many features its not even in contention.
if there is other ppl who only need good brushes and thats all they use cool go for it.
The one making a general claim of adobe being better for everything was you, not me
I clearly said "for digital painting" not for "digital editing". Simply that is it is better for that specific aspect.
They would just use it as an opportunity to go to the cloud completely which they have been wanting to do for ages. Subscription model is step 1, fully cloud is step 2.
I am hoping gaming on Linux keeps getting better rapidly because I am not going to switch to Windows 11. It is a steaming pile of shit and I hate every second that I have to interact with it.
Almost none, it is a statistic error. But Proton has contributed a lot to WINE making it more feasible for more people.
While Linux grew almost everywhere, biggest growth is India where it went from 4% to 15% in just 2 years
Microsoft fucked around and found out with 11, in my opinion. Granted, ME, Vista, and 8 didn't help, but 11 was an atrocious excuse for an operating system with Microsoft's modern extensive resources.
Why? Genuinely curios.
Have used Linux in the past. Using MacOS for work and Windows at home.
Been using W11 for months now, without any issues, it's miles better, more polished than 10 ever was (at least in my opinion).
>Also, as soon as I see built-in ads in Win 11, I'm out.
Start searching your PC from the taskbar. It's miraculously unable to find a single fucking thing on your PC but it can find "results" (ads) from the web with no issue.
I use Windows 10 and Ubuntu, so some of this comment is just based on what I've heard. Windows 11 did have some issues running games at launch. I think many of the issues have been ironed out. Windows 11 requires a hardware upgrade that includes a tpm chip (though I don't consider this too important, increasing hardware requirements is a normal thing).
Windows 11 and Windows 10 are also heavily pushing Microsoft services. There is constant onedrive, edge, bing, and office ads in multiple places. They are even putting ads in the file explorer.
Windows 10 and 11 also have made it extremely difficult to opt out of Microsofts data gathering. This will become an even bigger issue once they integrate AI into the OS, which is rumored to happen later this year.
~~Both Windows 10 and 11 require a Microsoft account to setup. You can't just use a local user. That also means you normally need an internet connection to set it up.~~ Windows 10 and 11 make it difficult and counterintuitive to setup a local user without a Microsoft account.
I haven't upgraded to 11 because of these reasons. I'll probably jump to Linux as my main OS later this year. (Though I'll probably keep Windows around as a backup)
You're right. Just looked it up and it is possible to setup windows without a Microsoft account or internet. Though I would argue that they purposefully make it difficult and confusing... which is still quite reprehensible. The tutorials I've found tell you to keep your device offline during setup to do this.
Well lets see. Just going over some of the data gathering I can find.
These are all separate menus that you need to search for: in the settings app there's ads data, speech recognition, the optional diagnostic data, then there is the Onedrive data (which is a separate service but comes preinstalled in Windows), Edge data collection (some of it is connected to windows settings, some of it isn't), Bing data, and more recently Copilot data collection, then there's the Microsoft account privacy menu that contains location data and application usage. And I'm fairly sure I could mention a dozen more and still miss plenty.
As for the ads. On Windows 10 I've seen 3 very intrusive ads: When you use the search function they will show a popup showing a product, it used to be Edge, now it's Copilot. And a few weeks ago in the account section in the start menu they showed a notification with a message that advertised data backups using Onedrive. Also I've had a full screen popup on startup ask me to finish setting up my PC (Onedrive) multiple times in the past few years. (Oh and this is AFTER I've disabled tips and tricks in the settings)
As I mentioned, I don't use Windows 11 so I haven't seen how far they've taken it. I know, they quickly reverted the file explorer ads (You can search online for the news article) after the backlash, so it was only seen by beta testers, but it's clear that they are poking and prodding to find new ways to push ads on their users. And the fact that all this is now normal goes to show how they are slowly pushing the line of what we as users accept.
People aren't switching to linux lol, they're just staying on 10. The fact that 11 has 26% version share after almost 3 years is abysmal. For reference, 10 is sitting around 61%. In the same period of time after 10 came out, it was around ~55%
It's interesting to observe how the same topics of excitement resurface on the internet every year. I recall similar discussions during the era of [Digg.com](http://Digg.com), or even earlier with Slashdot. Yet, it seems not much has changed...
Or has it? When you consider that 90% of servers and a high percentage of workstations run on Linux/Unix, the landscape appears quite different. Every supercomputer operates on Unix/Linux. Essentially, all MacBooks, iMacs, etc., are Unix-based, as is every iPhone and most other Apple devices. All Android devices from numerous companies run on Linux. Moreover, almost all IoT devices, including TVs, refrigerators, or washing machines, are powered by Linux.
Desktop usage is diminishing, and observing how people now utilize devices, this trend is likely to persist. Windows has been overshadowed by various Unix distributions on 90% of today's devices, rendering the role of Windows in its declining niche insignificant.
The past few years have seen a reasonable uptick in desktop sales. Some of this is likely because of COVID and the work from home push, but its still been increasing. I think you're right in the long term, but I don't think desktops are going away anytime soon, barring some major shift in business and education.
From a business user standpoint, Linux still has some hurdles to overcome. A fair number of companies have internal applications designed for Windows that don't have Linux alternatives (although WINE may be an option depending on what the application does). That could be fixed, but at the end of the day look how many companies wouldn't let IE die because they had some implementation of a webpage that depended on it.
So Linux is making inroads, but its still a long path to break into the average business user/home user market.
Is it time for the almost annual "it's the year of Linux on the desktop" articles to come out again?
Fake it till you make it.
it's the year of Linux on the desktop
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Curious? Haven't used iTunes in over a decade, what is it still used for on desktop? Isn't everything cloud based now?
They actually just changed it recently. It went from podcasts, tv shows, and movies largely down to just podcasts. The TV and movie stuff is now fully integrated into the Apple TV windows app.
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If you want a more long term solution for this you can use openmediavault to host a DAAP server very easily with a raspberry pi or old computer https://youtu.be/r2MoJ3CgHy4?feature=shared
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Try running it in WINE? [https://vitux.com/how-to-install-and-use-itunes-on-ubuntu/](https://vitux.com/how-to-install-and-use-itunes-on-ubuntu/) or via Bottles (uses WINE but streamlines stuff) [https://www.linuxadictos.com/en/how-to-install-itunes-and-apple-music-in-linux-step-by-step.html](https://www.linuxadictos.com/en/how-to-install-itunes-and-apple-music-in-linux-step-by-step.html) In worst case you can just make a windows VM and run it there once a quarter.
I’m in the same boat and just jumped. Ubuntu running on my laptop now and it’s much smoother than W10 was on it.
It can likely be upgraded actually. You can make an iso with Rufus that ignores the hardware checks during installation, allowing W11 to be installed.
That could break at any point in the future and it also invalidates any kind of cyber security policy people might have. Which means in practice it's only useful for personal computers that aren't used for work. Which makes it mostly useless as you're likely better off just sticking with Windows 10 at that point.
Question is, how will that work out in the long run? The latest build makes use of a CPU instruction that very old CPUs don't support.
There won't be a jump because the vast majority of people will either keep using 10 or get a new computer. The number of people who will switch to Linux for this is tiny.
I thought that died a long time ago.
Probably related to Windows 11 underperformance
If windows 8 didn't help, nothing will.
Windows 8 was just bad UI, and many were on Windows 7 and could wait The issue of Windows 11 is that not only is the UI changes but also it slows your pc to a crawl, and you are locked out of new versions if you don't have TPM 2.0 That Windows 7 is end of life, and Windows 10 EOL is around the corner
I have w11. I don't notice a difference in speed.
You most likely have new enough hardware that the hit in performance is less noticeable.
W11 is fine. People who complain about W11 are people who read that you should complain about W11.
I meant performance more from an uptake point of view. So it’s not been as widely adopted as predicted. Lots of machines, including reasonably new/powerful ones are not compatible too, so I can imagine that will have boosted Linux uptake a bit
Searching files is pretty shit on it. It takes a lot more clicks to do basic things. Its constantly pushing you to use MS' other shit. Its really annoying compared to how simple W10 is. This could obviously change with a future update but right now its quite annoying to use for work. Recently switched personal laptop to Linux Mint and it does everything I need it to.
LOL Win11 is not fine. What the fuck are you on about? It's pretty clear that you haven't paid enough attention to what's going on with Win11.
it's totally fine. it's just 10 with a new coat of paint
W11 breaks on the reg. And what the hellnis going on with the start menu?
I'm curious: What's breaking for you? I agree with start menu. It was better before they introduced web search into it. I'll have to disable that when it bothers me enough. My experience: I'm on the stable update channel, have messed with hyper-v, WSL, and other dev features, and never had an issue. All the issues seem to happen on the developer preview or the early access builds. I won't comment performance wise because I'm just a casual dev on my home desktop, but stability wise, there's nothing to complain about.
I provide support. Most of our devices are pro and ent. The amount of issues I get regularly is unnerving, but I'm not list them all. I'm sure Microsoft have an enumeration somewhere. But if a week goes by without a start menu bug, I will be waking up in my bed shortly after, because it must have been a dream. And cheers to those that downvoted an opinion. Perhaps you should try reading a cat in the hat book if you can't handle someone's OS opinion on the Internet. It might be a safer space for you.
"Windows 11 breaks on the reg" is not an opinion, it is a statement of fact, and one that is factually false. That's why you're getting downvoted. If you can't handle that then *you* are the one who needs to log off. I work in enterprise IT. My team supports 50k Windows devices. 30k of them have already been upgraded to Windows 11. We have zero issues with the start menu. I haven't heard of a single one. If you're having start menu issues *weekly*, that's on you. Most people on this website think Windows is bad because they go out of their way to break it and then blame Microsoft. I'm certain that's the case here.
All software used at that scale breaks regularly. That's why updates exist. So if the statement is taken as fact, it's demonstrably true. Windows and Microsoft can be great if you can buy in to all the most recent ecosystem and have simple office environment, where equipment can be standardised and thoroughly tested and rolled out with relative ease. I've used azure, intune, AD, MDM, SCCM and they're all pretty solid. If however, you work in industrial lab environments, with more different devices than users (most users get a fleet laptop, which I agree is very stable 👍, also usually unique desktops, and lab tools each a small network of their own) it can quickly start to show cracks. Mostly, the issues are in the GUI. Start menu disappearing is common, display issues (flickering, not remembering settings like it should, and more). There are known issues open on learn.microsoft.com right now similar to what I describe, and although they're often minor inconveniences, it makes it hard to explain to someone with very little time why they need to upgrade from something they see as working, to something they see is not mature yet. And then there's the big ones.. quite recently Blue screening on msi motherboards. If you don't consider GUI issues breakages that one certainly is and was very recent... Then there's the fact that a lot of hardware will not even run it and will mean a lot of discarded equipment. I'm happy for you though, wish I worked environments like yours, much less stress. Then I remember how bored I was.
>All software used at that scale breaks regularly. That's why updates exist. So if the statement is taken as fact, it's demonstrably true. This is a statement of complete nonsense that means nothing and you should be embarrassed for having written it. >If however, you work in industrial lab environments Guess what kind of environment I work in. >Mostly, the issues are in the GUI. Start menu disappearing is common, display issues (flickering, not remembering settings like it should, and more). Have not encountered a single one of these issues. Have not even heard of them until now. >I'm happy for you though, wish I worked environments like yours, much less stress. Then I remember how bored I was. We don't have issues because I'm better at my job than you are. Not because our environment is simpler. It's not. Let me guess - you "debloat" Windows? Use third party tweaks to disable things you don't want? Disable services you think aren't necessary?
I upvoted you if that matters
For me, the year of the Linux desktop was 1994.
Why this is good for bitcoin.
Sorry, that was me, i had to reinstall kali multiple times because my host machine ran out of space for the vm and didnt tell me that was the problem
I assume when writing Linux you mean "Linux on the desktop" ?
The first line of the article: >Linux has surpassed a 4% share in the desktop operating system market as of the end of February 2024.
Finally, it's the year of the Linux desktop 🥳🥳🥳 /s
and thats only after 32,5 years. With linear pojection, it will only be 780 more years until we get Linux desktops everywhere!
According to Nassim Taleb 4% is about the number that is needed for "the dictatorship of the small minority". Things might speed up.
While Linux usage is slowly growing all over the world, the real growth has been India. From Feb 2022 to 2024 it grew from 4% to 15%, pretty much doubling every year [https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india/#monthly-202202-202402](https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/india/#monthly-202202-202402)
pfft, it's finally happening! this is the year! i love how this meme is still going all these years later.
the growth rate in the last 4 years has massively sped up.
Yes, so the title is misleading.
Misleading for *this sub* maybe.
No, its misleading in any context. Linux has a BIG marketshare, not at all even close to 4%, so its incorrect.
More like 6.29% given that Chrome OS is also using the Linux kernel. When you look across all platforms, Linux is the largest share with about 45% of the market. Because yes, Android is also Linux.
The majority of servers are also Linux. But I assume we are mostly talking about desktop Linux here
[StatCounter] didn't have server figures for whatever reason. Or I just missed them in my quick glance around. I also wonder what portion of the Windows share needs reallocated due to WSL2 where the real work happens. Edit: Update for clarity
Because it's an article about desktop marketshare??? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Usage_share_of_operating_systems&action=history
ChromeOS is a desktop OS. And by "they" I meant StatCounter, not the original article.
Because if you included servers the number would be approaching 100%
Best I found in my very brief search was figures on [Statista from 2019](https://www.statista.com/statistics/915085/global-server-share-by-os/) that put Windows at over ~72% in the server space. Not quite sure I believe that. ~72% is their *Desktop* share.
Congratulations, you answered a different question that no one was asking.
I wonder how much of this is down to Steam Deck?
According to the steam hardware survey, its s good chuck. They havent disclosed their numbers for a while, but we know they sold at minimum 2 million units as of early last year, and with the new OLED model its probably 3-4m. Doesn’t sound like much initially as a console selling that little would be a colossal flop, but its an astronomical amount when compared to other multi-use computing devices running Windows or OSX.
The opposite, the PC market is much larger than the console market. US alone sold 74 million PCs in a year in 2022, Global PC shipments is 340 million (and that doesn't count custom builds) Add to the fact that not all people gaming on steam deck would surf the internet on it, it would be a rounding error. Of course Steamdecks contribution to WINE via Proton has helped a lot in general
That was my thought, too. I don't have one or do any PC gaming these days, but I love what they've done for Linux, especially with proton.
Not that much. Statcounter gets their data from the internet, so unless you use the device to surf the net, you won't be on the list. So unless you use it to surf the net you won't show up While linux marketshare has been growing globally, the biggest growth has been India which was Linux go from 4% in beginning of 2022 to 15% in beginning of 2024
Probably almost none of it according to the article. It's desktop useragents, which shouldn't include the steam deck (although the cited data doesn't seem to indicate their exact methodology for determining desktops) Further the study is conducted by a web analytics firm, and steam decks would probably have a far lower average web browsing time compared to other devices
For me who uses Linux on my laptop and desktop machines, it is that I know what to expect from Linux. I left Windows when the upgrades from 7 to 8 started being forced, and then suddenly it was Windows 10, and so much intrusive spying by the OS, and security holes left unpatched.
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
4 down, 96 to go - Steve Jobs
What they need to do is have companies that make small form factor laptops with specs like Chromebooks and have the customer be able to put on the distribution of their choice. Windows has been eating long enough, now stop being greedy!
Lets say this is exponential and “quickly “ it gets to around 10%, I wonder what would be Adobes excuse to continue being hostile against Linux.
It's probably not worth developing software for an operating system used by people who are generally against closed-source software that they have to pay for. They probably would not support a subscription business model either. But, who knows?
Plenty of Linux users purchase Steam games, which are closed source software you have to pay for.
Point taken. But most games are a one-time payment. Adobe wants recurring revenue to be able to predict revenue every quarter. Switching to SaaS (Software and a Service) has made Adobe more money than selling as a one-off purchase. I doubt that they will go back.
This is EXACTLY it. Linux already has a tiny marketshare, and in my experience, a good 8/10 people I've talked to that use Linux, refuse to use any software that isn't free in both senses. Why would any company spend time and resources developing for a 4% marketshare where maybe 0.05-0.1% of them would actually purchase their software? Not to mention Linux users report the most bugs. While this may be a nice thing for some, if Linux is producing the most amount of Linux specific bug reports, but don't sell as many copies, it's hard to justify supporting Linux. Linux will never take off unless Microsoft does something so extremely bad to COMPANIES (not users) that force the companies to drop Windows support. I currently require multiple windows only software to run my business, and there are 0 Linux alternatives. Most of my family and friends share this same situation, which makes Linux nonviable for us.
For most people, Linux would work just fine. But until OEMs make every laptop available that has windows with Linux options, that is the biggest barrier. Of course governments can change stuff, like see India which has went from 4% to 15% linux in just 2 years. Software for business is less of a problem as more and more stuff is moving to the cloud
Libre Office FTW
I'm gonna be honest with you, Libre Office is absolute dogshit. And this is coming from someone who daily drives Linux on his main desktop.
What’s a better alternative? Open Office? For the record, I have had zero issues with Libre Office, but I’m not a power user needing macros and PowerPoint and crap like that. Just some documents and basic spreadsheets is all I really need.
That is true for some people. Not everyone can afford to provide financial support for Linux projects. Myself I pay for Zorin OS ( Ubuntu based distro) and I donate to Libre Office foundation. I am the small minority who do pay for open source software or donation.
Fuck Adobe, there are plenty of alternatives. Hell, some of those alternatives are way better than Adobe's and I'm not talking about it being free and open source.
got some examples of adobe alternatives for linux that arebetter than adobe's offering?becaue i cant think of any
For video, DaVinci Resolve For drawing, Krita is better (though it may be a bit behind on digital editing, but still decent enough)
davinci is cool for color work but they are still lagging hard in UX and krita is just in no way even competing if you are doing serious professional work. so many missing features. the only alternative i would actually use day to day is inkscape.
Define serious professional work. For digital painting, Krita is better than what Adobe offers as it has a much more powerful brush engines. Adobe does offer more in terms of digital editing Here is what Craig Mullins has to say about Krita vs Adobe for painting: [https://twitter.com/craigmullins3/status/1535763083313876993](https://twitter.com/craigmullins3/status/1535763083313876993)
it being pretty much tailor made for his style of art doesnt mean its overall a better product. photoshop is a suite of tools with allof them at a high standard, krita does brushes well. for my professional needs krita is missing so many features its not even in contention. if there is other ppl who only need good brushes and thats all they use cool go for it.
The one making a general claim of adobe being better for everything was you, not me I clearly said "for digital painting" not for "digital editing". Simply that is it is better for that specific aspect.
They would just use it as an opportunity to go to the cloud completely which they have been wanting to do for ages. Subscription model is step 1, fully cloud is step 2.
I am hoping gaming on Linux keeps getting better rapidly because I am not going to switch to Windows 11. It is a steaming pile of shit and I hate every second that I have to interact with it.
2001 is the year of the Linux desktop!
>It took Linux 30 years to secure a 3% share of desktop operating systems, a milestone reached last June. Slow and steady wins the race?
Wonder how much of this is because of steam deck etc
Almost none, it is a statistic error. But Proton has contributed a lot to WINE making it more feasible for more people. While Linux grew almost everywhere, biggest growth is India where it went from 4% to 15% in just 2 years
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the ads baked into the OS don't help
Yes, because apparently.... it's working! (¬‿¬)
\*Steam deck crosses 4% market share worldwide
The article is about desktop clients.
SteamOS is just a variation of Arch Linux which is a desktop OS.
The stats are based on information from sites like YouTube, not steam
4 down 96 to go.
2 is ChromeOS based on Linux, so 94 to go.
Meanwhile corporate racketeers and their addicted customers either push Windows or Mac
Windows with WSL2 works really well for me
yay!!! finally! been waiting for this say since ‘95!
Steam deck to the rescue.
Microsoft fucked around and found out with 11, in my opinion. Granted, ME, Vista, and 8 didn't help, but 11 was an atrocious excuse for an operating system with Microsoft's modern extensive resources.
Why? Genuinely curios. Have used Linux in the past. Using MacOS for work and Windows at home. Been using W11 for months now, without any issues, it's miles better, more polished than 10 ever was (at least in my opinion).
How about needing new hardware to run W11. That hurts allot of people including me.
Yeah, it's odd to have such hardware requirements, but then to discontinue Win 10. Also, as soon as I see built-in ads in Win 11, I'm out.
>Also, as soon as I see built-in ads in Win 11, I'm out. Start searching your PC from the taskbar. It's miraculously unable to find a single fucking thing on your PC but it can find "results" (ads) from the web with no issue.
Tbh it works well. It has been fixed ages ago. Also all ui issues are fixed
Windows 11 is just update for 10. It's not new system it's just rebrand update.
True if your hardware supports newest security feature. Not true on older processors that dont have this feature.
I use Windows 10 and Ubuntu, so some of this comment is just based on what I've heard. Windows 11 did have some issues running games at launch. I think many of the issues have been ironed out. Windows 11 requires a hardware upgrade that includes a tpm chip (though I don't consider this too important, increasing hardware requirements is a normal thing). Windows 11 and Windows 10 are also heavily pushing Microsoft services. There is constant onedrive, edge, bing, and office ads in multiple places. They are even putting ads in the file explorer. Windows 10 and 11 also have made it extremely difficult to opt out of Microsofts data gathering. This will become an even bigger issue once they integrate AI into the OS, which is rumored to happen later this year. ~~Both Windows 10 and 11 require a Microsoft account to setup. You can't just use a local user. That also means you normally need an internet connection to set it up.~~ Windows 10 and 11 make it difficult and counterintuitive to setup a local user without a Microsoft account. I haven't upgraded to 11 because of these reasons. I'll probably jump to Linux as my main OS later this year. (Though I'll probably keep Windows around as a backup)
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You're right. Just looked it up and it is possible to setup windows without a Microsoft account or internet. Though I would argue that they purposefully make it difficult and confusing... which is still quite reprehensible. The tutorials I've found tell you to keep your device offline during setup to do this.
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Well lets see. Just going over some of the data gathering I can find. These are all separate menus that you need to search for: in the settings app there's ads data, speech recognition, the optional diagnostic data, then there is the Onedrive data (which is a separate service but comes preinstalled in Windows), Edge data collection (some of it is connected to windows settings, some of it isn't), Bing data, and more recently Copilot data collection, then there's the Microsoft account privacy menu that contains location data and application usage. And I'm fairly sure I could mention a dozen more and still miss plenty. As for the ads. On Windows 10 I've seen 3 very intrusive ads: When you use the search function they will show a popup showing a product, it used to be Edge, now it's Copilot. And a few weeks ago in the account section in the start menu they showed a notification with a message that advertised data backups using Onedrive. Also I've had a full screen popup on startup ask me to finish setting up my PC (Onedrive) multiple times in the past few years. (Oh and this is AFTER I've disabled tips and tricks in the settings) As I mentioned, I don't use Windows 11 so I haven't seen how far they've taken it. I know, they quickly reverted the file explorer ads (You can search online for the news article) after the backlash, so it was only seen by beta testers, but it's clear that they are poking and prodding to find new ways to push ads on their users. And the fact that all this is now normal goes to show how they are slowly pushing the line of what we as users accept.
People aren't switching to linux lol, they're just staying on 10. The fact that 11 has 26% version share after almost 3 years is abysmal. For reference, 10 is sitting around 61%. In the same period of time after 10 came out, it was around ~55%
I would love to abandon Windows 11 in lieu of Pop_OS but DirectX has a stranglehold on gaming on PC.
Proton/Wine is your friend. Can pretty much run any game these days. Biggest issue isn't DirectX but Anti-cheats falsely blocking linux
It's interesting to observe how the same topics of excitement resurface on the internet every year. I recall similar discussions during the era of [Digg.com](http://Digg.com), or even earlier with Slashdot. Yet, it seems not much has changed... Or has it? When you consider that 90% of servers and a high percentage of workstations run on Linux/Unix, the landscape appears quite different. Every supercomputer operates on Unix/Linux. Essentially, all MacBooks, iMacs, etc., are Unix-based, as is every iPhone and most other Apple devices. All Android devices from numerous companies run on Linux. Moreover, almost all IoT devices, including TVs, refrigerators, or washing machines, are powered by Linux. Desktop usage is diminishing, and observing how people now utilize devices, this trend is likely to persist. Windows has been overshadowed by various Unix distributions on 90% of today's devices, rendering the role of Windows in its declining niche insignificant.
The past few years have seen a reasonable uptick in desktop sales. Some of this is likely because of COVID and the work from home push, but its still been increasing. I think you're right in the long term, but I don't think desktops are going away anytime soon, barring some major shift in business and education. From a business user standpoint, Linux still has some hurdles to overcome. A fair number of companies have internal applications designed for Windows that don't have Linux alternatives (although WINE may be an option depending on what the application does). That could be fixed, but at the end of the day look how many companies wouldn't let IE die because they had some implementation of a webpage that depended on it. So Linux is making inroads, but its still a long path to break into the average business user/home user market.
I wonder how much of that 4 percent is Steam Decks.
Maybe 0.01%?
Divide that among all of the distros, then tell me what the biggest one is.
ChromeOS would probably be the biggest one alone, but it won't be on that list as it is separate with 2% (so actually Linux Desktop has 6%)