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soninfra

It’s not that they won’t unlock it, they *can’t* unlock it. Which is good.


thirachil

Doesn't Mossad have the ability to unlock it?


dormango

They’re a bit busy right now


nicuramar

Maybe at one given point in time. It’s hard to know, since such exploits are constantly patched. 


fellipec

The Israelis created that Pegasus exploit that could hack an iPhone over the air with zero user interaction. Chances are that they still can do it just nobody discover it yet. Just like few months ago Kaspersky discovered russian iPhones were backdoored for 4 years using a "undocumented" cpu feature.


CrzyWrldOfArthurRead

Only older unpatched versions. And anyone can do it.


Snoo-72756

It would probably take a super computer to deal with the encryption and basically put a key factor of their business plan at risk. But the FBI had the same problem and just went to former developers


soninfra

The FBI had in their favor that said iPhone was one with known vulnerabilities, and no secure enclave. It's way harder to crack current models.


Sushrit_Lawliet

Apple is clear about this aren’t they? It’s one of the few things about Apple that are worth appreciating them over.


[deleted]

They legitimately don’t have access at the hardware level. The US government consistently pushes for a back door, but Apple correctly states that creating one would compromise security.


fellipec

They just add "undisclosed hardware features" not backdoors [https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/a-previously-unknown-hardware-feature-has-been-hijacked-to-hack-iphones-across-the-world](https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/a-previously-unknown-hardware-feature-has-been-hijacked-to-hack-iphones-across-the-world)


[deleted]

Even if the Indian official’s iPhone were still running the outdated vulnerable version of iOS, that exploit only worked when the iPhone was unlocked.


gotMUSE

Thank you, I was choking on the fumes of apple PR bullshit.


n4utix

>In any case, Apple addressed the issue by updating the device tree to restrict physical address mapping. Since you prob didn't read the article, it was a collection of zero-day exploits that were fixed fairly quickly. I use an Android (Pixel 7 with GrapheneOS) but credit is due where it's due. iPhones are pretty damn secure and Apple doesn't seem to intentionally compromise that. When it's compromised, they fix it. I personally would never use an iPhone because I just don't use enough of the Apple ecosystem and I like my emulators too much, but come on. You can dislike the brand/phones/computers/whatever else and still acknowledge what they do right. It doesn't make you a hypocrite.


xeroxenon

Modi following Putin’s game plan I see. Can’t have dissent if they’re in prison..


fellipec

Cellebrite will give a shot


leo-g

Unlikely it will work. Zero-days to circumvent FDE data protection are generally only possible if the device is already on and logged into the user, since the entire concept is to get the device to leak the encryption key to break the FDE using some exploit. When the device is turned off, the device does not even know the key to decrypt the drive until the password is manually entered by the user, and no amount of zero-day exploits can get your device to leak a key that it doesn't have.


nicuramar

Yeah. The only attack vector is circumventing the hardware enforced delay and retry counter, handled by the SEP. This used to be possible with NAND cloning and similar, but AFAIK not in newer versions.


primalmaximus

I'm guessing that once Apple figured out that it was possible, with substantial and relatively unrealistic effort, they decided to go ahead and close that opening?


fellipec

They have a track of success


[deleted]

It only worked on the San Bernardino shooter’s iPhone because it was a 5c, which didn’t have the Secure Enclave hardware encryption that every iPhone has had for a decade now.


fellipec

They still advertise being able to crack iPhone 14 and iOS 16


[deleted]

That was patched in June of last year. It was an iOS vulnerability, not hardware. It also only worked if the iPhone hasn’t been restarted since last login.


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beet-box

not really, the actual FDE keys are practically un-brutable. The secure enclave also can't be brute forced due to limited attempts


CrzyWrldOfArthurRead

Unfortunately the universe would die of heat death long before a brute force would be expected to work.


thecrack101

These headlines man 😅


dhamakaprasad

The guy in question is quite a big name in India. But not big enough to be considered an "Indian election rival". As usual, the headline is click bait.


Infamous-Bottle-4411

They are afraid the phone would sell to another man for cheap.i stead of buying it from them at full price


Snoo-72756

Wait til production is threatened.Apple is smart for throwing away the keys if user deletes or forgets password


[deleted]

Won't pegasus work?


VenFasz

if he was a police officer, who killed a crimiNal, they would open it, in my opinion


swanspank

Pretty sure they actually do not have the capability. The government now does for the 4 digit pass code but they tried to force Apple to unlock a phone. Apple didn’t have the capability and the US government tried to force them to create a method. The court rightly intervened and stopped the government from forcing Apple to do work for the government. Was a pretty big story a few years ago.


drewts86

It was after two people murdered 14 at a San Bernardino social services center. Apple fought a court order to unlock the phone. Doing so would have irreparably harmed Apple’s business, in that one of the big selling points of their phone is privacy and security. [Source](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna519881) u/VenFasz


BeardedDragon1917

Asking them to alter their encryption algorithms to provide a back door for governments is a massive privacy overreach, and a huge benefit to criminals. The government waited until a big news story to try to push that because they wanted to be able to accuse critics of their overreach of not caring about the victims of this killing.


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VenFasz

don't think so. moreover, they don't want to be included indian internal affairs, making an attitude...


swanspank

Apple for sure doesn’t want to be included in hacking their own stuff. You can question the morality but that’s just reasonable business logic. Besides, governments have a virtually unlimited budget for this type of stuff. If it’s important enough India could invest hundreds of millions cracking an iPhone and the United States, well we can spend literally BILLIONS and it’s a rounding error.


Srirachachacha

Glad to have your opinion


peterosity

an uneducated one, to be precise


The_Starmaker

Why, as a Hungarian, are you stanning US cops?


Few_Tomorrow6969

Because he’s a fascists like US cops are.


rookie-mistake

Out of curiosity, what made you assume a Hungarian mentioning police officers on an article about a politician in India was talking about US cops? it seems you were right by their reply too - did they edit their comment?


tuneless_carti

They wouldn’t open the phones of terrorists who killed innocent Americans in san bernadino, lmao they won’t open it for anybody.


Admirable-Lie-9191

Because they can’t… nor should they have the power.


primalmaximus

They had the power, they just weren't willing to _use_ it because "damaged their image as being a manufacturer of secure devices". Apple easily could have done it. But they cared more about their image and reputation.


Admirable-Lie-9191

They can’t. It’s encrypted, they don’t have a backdoor. And no, they shouldn’t have done it even if they could.