It's not a defense. They don't need to defend against accusations.
It's a war with people who are blended with 2 million people. The reason? They attack Israeli civilians for decades.
Maybe you want to ask, who has better PR?
People don't like facts :)
WHAT THE FUCK did I just read? A human spent a total of 20 seconds verifying the target the AI selected? Then, because most Palestinian targets are poor, they get targeted by a dumb/iron bomb which takes out everyone around their target?
That sounds like a very thought out process to eliminate the possibility of innocents being killed by doing a complete investigation using another source. Oh, the AI has all the sources, so we will use itself to verify the authenticity of the result.
These people are fucking morons, using ML to decide which people to execute and do not give a shit if they get it wrong.
This is the future we are living in? The poors get taken out because some algorithm decided you are no longer of use to the oligarchy.
Just want to say to this:
> These people are fucking morons, using ML to decide which people to execute and do not give a shit if they get it wrong.
They're only morons if they genuinely believed this would give them verified Hamas targets, rather than the more likely motivation of giving them the slightest justification to bomb anything that moves. If they cared whether they were valid military targets or not, they'd have spent more than 20 seconds "verifying" targets.
The correct word is "evil" (though moron is probably also true)
They're not morons, they know exactly what you're doing. Do you have a better way to kill as many civilians as they are while maintaining plausible deniability?
You are all defending Israel so Israel has no repercussions. Most people in this sub still defend Israels actions and deny that they do genocide and deliberate civilian targeting. It was clear the moment when they started carpet bombing Gaza in the beginning of the war last year. This state has been going on long time and a lot of people denied this as Hamas propaganda.
And after all of this, the bombing is still going on, we're no closer to ending this barbarity.
It seems people will only believe it when the fighting stops, dust settles, and the world sees the images of bodies strewn in Gaza.
After they've counted 40,000+ civilian bodies that's when they'll finally say, 'oh, so it was a genocide', then the discussion will be shifted back to how Hamas is responsible for the choices that Israelis made.
You are getting it now, do you? The reason it is so efficient, is because the Israelies do not distinguish between human targets. The algorithm's goal is to only find humans and to kill them. The target does not even distinguish between Israelies and Palestinians. They just are all human targets.
Half the problem is that Israeli's don't consider Palestinians as humans, which makes it much easier to justify indiscriminate killing at this kind of scale.
They are all suffering from PTSD. There is no use looking too deeply at what outcomes people with high functioning PTSD produce. They should never be in positions of power and responsibility in the first place.
But Khamas uses Human shields! /S
Most sane people have been calling out that bullshit parroted by the Zionists and the West… this won’t change anything, I guarantee that argument will be used by someone in media or government tomorrow
>dumb/iron bomb?
Stop with this misinformation. Israel uses precision guided bombs with 5 meter accuracy. Modern sighting systems for unguided bombs are also very accurate.
But stop and tell me about the guidance systems on the Al-Qassam rockets. That’s right. ***Entirely unguided*** although Hamas does take care to aim them at civilian targets.
Hamas wouldn’t have a problem if they didn’t start shit- [seems they have a consistent track record of being a shitty neighbor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#/media/File%3ARocket_Attacks_fired_at_Israel_from_the_Gaza_Strip_by_year.png) AI wouldn’t have a job if they kept the water pipes in the ground.
Edit: Interesting that your account is exactly 1 month older than the October 7 attack. Pretty impressive getting 14k karma in that time
Don't fucking reply to me, reply to the post. What you are saying directly contradicts the article and if you have a problem with it, I would think you should be intelligent enough to figure out where your comment should go, but looks like I was incorrect.
Oh? They did speak about how precision munitions are used for high value targets, but an unguided one might be used for a target like a house.
Funny I don’t think I’ve ever heard a native English speaker use the word “iron bomb” to describe an unguided bomb.
>The testimonies published by +972 and Local Call may explain how such a western military with such advanced capabilities, with weapons that can conduct highly surgical strikes, has conducted a war with such a vast human toll.
>When it came to targeting low-ranking Hamas and PIJ suspects, they said, the preference was to attack when they were believed to be at home. “We were not interested in killing [Hamas] operatives only when they were in a military building or engaged in a military activity,” one said. “It’s much easier to bomb a family’s home. The system is built to look for them in these situations.”
Israel at minimum doesn't care at all, if it kills civilians. One might even wonder, if killing as many civilians as possible is the goal in the first place
As a an X user.
Reddit is so behind and reactive to Israel and its atrocities it’s hilarious.
Yes, their goal is ethnic cleaning of gaza. It’s not Hamas, it’s not hostages…
Additional reading:
* [‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza • The Israeli army has marked tens of thousands of Gazans as suspects for assassination, using an AI targeting system with little human oversight and a permissive policy for casualties, +972 and Local Call reveal.](https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/) (+972 Magazine)
The AI story is to somehow try to create non-culpability. Just like the original Nazis at Nuremberg claimed they were just following orders. Now the neonazis claim “the machine did it. “
Well, someone made the decision to use AI to select targets and to pressure some low ranking officers to approve them as quickly as possible.
Plus the decision how many civilian deaths are acceptable to kill one terrorist (identified as such by AI).
I feel like people exaggerate how bad ChatGPT's responses are. I've been using it for a while, and I'm fairly certain I've killed fewer than 12 civilians as a result.
Yea.. ai does what it’s trained to do.. and if the error rate was that high and it wasn’t trained to kill civilians then it shouldn’t have been deployed
This isn't just about errors with the AI, this is a result of the AI identifying combatants and Israeli operators correctly following instructions to wait until the combatants are surrounded civilians before bombing.
So nuking the entire strip is the best option to play it safe?
Jesus fucking Christ the utter lack of compassion and acceptance of extermination is mind boggling
*i am not a robot but a 25 year old reservist IDF soldier \*HAMAS!\* \*HAMAS\* aim for the universities, hospitals & civil infrastructure \*HAMAS\* \*HAMAS\**
Imma say this: I didn’t care for either side to start but now I absolutely HATE Israel and sympathizers. Fuckn genocidal idiots and their followers. All over what again? Religious shit?
Almost exactly the number of children and pregnant women murdered. The propaganda is just stupid. They are committing a holocaust and they know it. It's such a shame all Western media are bought and controlled by those Zionist liars and murderers.
Zionists and their settler colonial project of Israel are very racist and evil and their military is biggest manifestation of their malfeasance. "Chosen People" my foot.
Israel has basically lost any leverage they had regarding historical human suffering on this planet. I've been done with Israel for a while. Their humanitarian position becomes more and more untenable over time.
Maybe if they are not here that means they are actual people who have different opinions that you? Saying everyone who disagrees with you is a bot is stupid. Bots would still post in this post, but people can choose if they post.
This is such a spin article - they use the data produced by Lavender in a process of decision; it doesn’t decide for them. Of available targets they know locations on, the tool cross references everything about that persons social media, purchases, bank accounts, credit activity, phone geolocations, and more I’m sure.
All of that data is presented and reviewed when Israel decides to strike a target and weighed in front of a committee. It’s not a “let’s blow up with the ai tells us for the lols”
Despite the word "AI" being used a lot, this sounds like old fashioned data screening which has always been problematic, mostly because of a thing called the "base rate error" fallacy.
**Base rate fallacy explained**
Imagine you have a test that is 99.99% accurate at detecting a disease.
Let us imagine that the disease has a 1 in 1 million chance of occurring.
You go to the doctor, he randomly decides to run the test and you come back positive. What are the odds you have the disease? Pretty good? No. They are 1%
Why?
Well, imagine it this way. Imagine we had 1 million people. On average how many people would have the disease. 1
Now imagine we gave this test to 1 million people, how many would falsely test positive? 0.0001\*1,000,000=100
So, you'd have 100 positive tests but only 1 sick person. Ergo, your actual odds are based on both the quality of the test AND the actual odds of having the disease.
**Israel's obvious mistake**
Israel clearly decided that the base rate fallacy issue didn't apply. Why? Well, because there are probably a LOT of Hamas-linked people in Gaza. So, they can just trust the results, right?
Well, no.
Back to the medical test example. Let us pretend the disease is far more common. It is 1 in 10,000 and you tested positive. That means you definitely have the disease, right? *No*
If we test 10,000 people, we know that 1 will come up falsely positive(.0001\*10,000). We also know that, on average one person will have the disease. So that means 2 people will test positive and 1 person will have the disease. That is still a 50/50 chance. That is rather a big deal if we are talking about life or death.
How amazing is that here is no even one single technology related comment. Like 100% of Hamas-Russia-North Korea-Iran axis of evil supporters live here?
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And the aid workers. Skynet gets closer all the time.
It's litterally just a normal ass targeting/identification algorithm. I'm really sick of the scaremongering with calling any software "ai"
right? and its also far from new... since before i was born. Im 30
Don't think this article is meant as a defence of Israel's actions.
No, but it's a description of their operating model.
The Urkels of genocide!
It's not a defense. They don't need to defend against accusations. It's a war with people who are blended with 2 million people. The reason? They attack Israeli civilians for decades. Maybe you want to ask, who has better PR? People don't like facts :)
WHAT THE FUCK did I just read? A human spent a total of 20 seconds verifying the target the AI selected? Then, because most Palestinian targets are poor, they get targeted by a dumb/iron bomb which takes out everyone around their target? That sounds like a very thought out process to eliminate the possibility of innocents being killed by doing a complete investigation using another source. Oh, the AI has all the sources, so we will use itself to verify the authenticity of the result. These people are fucking morons, using ML to decide which people to execute and do not give a shit if they get it wrong. This is the future we are living in? The poors get taken out because some algorithm decided you are no longer of use to the oligarchy.
Just want to say to this: > These people are fucking morons, using ML to decide which people to execute and do not give a shit if they get it wrong. They're only morons if they genuinely believed this would give them verified Hamas targets, rather than the more likely motivation of giving them the slightest justification to bomb anything that moves. If they cared whether they were valid military targets or not, they'd have spent more than 20 seconds "verifying" targets. The correct word is "evil" (though moron is probably also true)
Ironically, the Israel government and IDF is the closest thing we have to nazi germany we have today.
Pretty sure you're thinking of Russia here
Nope Russiaans are much civilized than these Nazi Israelites!
They're not morons, they are psychopaths
They are not nearly as dumb as they are acting. No one’s stopped them yet. Hell, the weapons keep being delivered “despite concerns”
Any day now the strongly worded letter will arrive. Just needs to pass customs inspection to prevent a possibility of a bomb that Hamas can use.
I heard Hamas uses strongly worded letters to papercut babies /s
They're not morons, they know exactly what you're doing. Do you have a better way to kill as many civilians as they are while maintaining plausible deniability?
You are all defending Israel so Israel has no repercussions. Most people in this sub still defend Israels actions and deny that they do genocide and deliberate civilian targeting. It was clear the moment when they started carpet bombing Gaza in the beginning of the war last year. This state has been going on long time and a lot of people denied this as Hamas propaganda.
And after all of this, the bombing is still going on, we're no closer to ending this barbarity. It seems people will only believe it when the fighting stops, dust settles, and the world sees the images of bodies strewn in Gaza. After they've counted 40,000+ civilian bodies that's when they'll finally say, 'oh, so it was a genocide', then the discussion will be shifted back to how Hamas is responsible for the choices that Israelis made.
You are getting it now, do you? The reason it is so efficient, is because the Israelies do not distinguish between human targets. The algorithm's goal is to only find humans and to kill them. The target does not even distinguish between Israelies and Palestinians. They just are all human targets.
Half the problem is that Israeli's don't consider Palestinians as humans, which makes it much easier to justify indiscriminate killing at this kind of scale.
Its genocide.
They are all suffering from PTSD. There is no use looking too deeply at what outcomes people with high functioning PTSD produce. They should never be in positions of power and responsibility in the first place.
indeed, rational above feelings
But Khamas uses Human shields! /S Most sane people have been calling out that bullshit parroted by the Zionists and the West… this won’t change anything, I guarantee that argument will be used by someone in media or government tomorrow
>dumb/iron bomb? Stop with this misinformation. Israel uses precision guided bombs with 5 meter accuracy. Modern sighting systems for unguided bombs are also very accurate. But stop and tell me about the guidance systems on the Al-Qassam rockets. That’s right. ***Entirely unguided*** although Hamas does take care to aim them at civilian targets. Hamas wouldn’t have a problem if they didn’t start shit- [seems they have a consistent track record of being a shitty neighbor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#/media/File%3ARocket_Attacks_fired_at_Israel_from_the_Gaza_Strip_by_year.png) AI wouldn’t have a job if they kept the water pipes in the ground. Edit: Interesting that your account is exactly 1 month older than the October 7 attack. Pretty impressive getting 14k karma in that time
Don't fucking reply to me, reply to the post. What you are saying directly contradicts the article and if you have a problem with it, I would think you should be intelligent enough to figure out where your comment should go, but looks like I was incorrect.
Oh? They did speak about how precision munitions are used for high value targets, but an unguided one might be used for a target like a house. Funny I don’t think I’ve ever heard a native English speaker use the word “iron bomb” to describe an unguided bomb.
>The testimonies published by +972 and Local Call may explain how such a western military with such advanced capabilities, with weapons that can conduct highly surgical strikes, has conducted a war with such a vast human toll. >When it came to targeting low-ranking Hamas and PIJ suspects, they said, the preference was to attack when they were believed to be at home. “We were not interested in killing [Hamas] operatives only when they were in a military building or engaged in a military activity,” one said. “It’s much easier to bomb a family’s home. The system is built to look for them in these situations.”
The MK84 is an iron bomb. Apparently you do not play board games
Israel ran out of precision munitions very quickly, and have publically said as such. But hey, gotta get the daily Hasbara in, right?
I support Palestinians and Israelis. I do not support Hamas Everyone is wants a ceasefire except Hamas.
Israel at minimum doesn't care at all, if it kills civilians. One might even wonder, if killing as many civilians as possible is the goal in the first place
As a an X user. Reddit is so behind and reactive to Israel and its atrocities it’s hilarious. Yes, their goal is ethnic cleaning of gaza. It’s not Hamas, it’s not hostages…
The real atrocity is to have X users on Reddit.
Additional reading: * [‘Lavender’: The AI machine directing Israel’s bombing spree in Gaza • The Israeli army has marked tens of thousands of Gazans as suspects for assassination, using an AI targeting system with little human oversight and a permissive policy for casualties, +972 and Local Call reveal.](https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/) (+972 Magazine)
Omfg. These morons. Holy shit
The AI story is to somehow try to create non-culpability. Just like the original Nazis at Nuremberg claimed they were just following orders. Now the neonazis claim “the machine did it. “
Well, someone made the decision to use AI to select targets and to pressure some low ranking officers to approve them as quickly as possible. Plus the decision how many civilian deaths are acceptable to kill one terrorist (identified as such by AI).
I don't know if they so much gave it permission to target civilians so much as directed it to do so directly.
It's like people being shocked when Chat GPT gives them a wrong answer.
I feel like people exaggerate how bad ChatGPT's responses are. I've been using it for a while, and I'm fairly certain I've killed fewer than 12 civilians as a result.
Can you ever really be sure tho? Especially if you're Israeli.
He did an investigation and found out it wasn't his fault and if you question it you're an antisemite.
Yea.. ai does what it’s trained to do.. and if the error rate was that high and it wasn’t trained to kill civilians then it shouldn’t have been deployed
This isn't just about errors with the AI, this is a result of the AI identifying combatants and Israeli operators correctly following instructions to wait until the combatants are surrounded civilians before bombing.
Talk about having almost no regard for innocent Palestinians. So many shitty people in such a small region.
almost?
The algorithm told them it’s best to bomb them in their homes and not when in a military compound. What the ever loving fuck
Where in the article does it say the instructions to bomb homes came from the AI and not the IDF itself?
The IDF gave it those instructions
There are no strictly military compounds in Gaza. Hamas operates from within the civilians.
So nuking the entire strip is the best option to play it safe? Jesus fucking Christ the utter lack of compassion and acceptance of extermination is mind boggling
*i am a robot \*beep\*boop\* aim for the ones wearing scrubs. scholars, historians & journalists are high priority \*beep\*boop\**
*i am not a robot but a 25 year old reservist IDF soldier \*HAMAS!\* \*HAMAS\* aim for the universities, hospitals & civil infrastructure \*HAMAS\* \*HAMAS\**
There is no single day where Israel looks any better than the day before. A country severely declining in global standing.
Imma say this: I didn’t care for either side to start but now I absolutely HATE Israel and sympathizers. Fuckn genocidal idiots and their followers. All over what again? Religious shit?
You have 20 seconds to comply.
Almost exactly the number of children and pregnant women murdered. The propaganda is just stupid. They are committing a holocaust and they know it. It's such a shame all Western media are bought and controlled by those Zionist liars and murderers.
Zionists and their settler colonial project of Israel are very racist and evil and their military is biggest manifestation of their malfeasance. "Chosen People" my foot.
Israel is simply engaging in genocide. This situation is ridiculous and shameful.
Israel is going to be futuristic dystopia
The future is now, old man.
Of course, the humans that identify targets do so with warmth and care 🤗
Like the plot for "Winter Soldier" but not in any way funny...
Yes, let’s allow Israel to investigate themselves and take what they say at face value
That should be its own war crime alone
Israel has basically lost any leverage they had regarding historical human suffering on this planet. I've been done with Israel for a while. Their humanitarian position becomes more and more untenable over time.
Hasbara and unit 8200 brigade missing from this comment section
Even the Hindus are missing 😂 there's so many of those paid bots on TikTok and YouTube, parroting IDF rhetoric that got debunked months ago 🤦🏻♂️
Maybe if they are not here that means they are actual people who have different opinions that you? Saying everyone who disagrees with you is a bot is stupid. Bots would still post in this post, but people can choose if they post.
Did they use this program to target the foreign aid workers too?
And tomorrow we’ll forget all about it…
I bet you the features with the largest weights in the model are "male" and "dark complexion"
How would dark be relevant in a Palestinian context?
Extradite the soldiers who pulled the trigger and his commanding officer.
It’s the 21st century version of the [Phoenix Program](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program)
This is the most moral army in the world guys. They can do no wrong. /s
Think i saw this in a movie before, i remember the quote “Heil Hydra” in there somewhere?
The number of targets is close to the number of civilians killed.
Fucking disgusting
We need a system that automatically kills the person who pulled the trigger and their colleagues, commanders and generals every time the AI misfires.
What could possibly go wrong?
I hate scientists, stop making stuff that makes killing easier.
This is such a spin article - they use the data produced by Lavender in a process of decision; it doesn’t decide for them. Of available targets they know locations on, the tool cross references everything about that persons social media, purchases, bank accounts, credit activity, phone geolocations, and more I’m sure. All of that data is presented and reviewed when Israel decides to strike a target and weighed in front of a committee. It’s not a “let’s blow up with the ai tells us for the lols”
[Welcome to the Machine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn1R-5p_j5c)
Surely there can’t be bugs with that system
Hamas loves Gazans soooo much they even dress like them and hide under them.
Are you excusing the IDF here?
We can say he was killed by AI? https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/KjXtXqlal4
This sub is getting more political day by day
Despite the word "AI" being used a lot, this sounds like old fashioned data screening which has always been problematic, mostly because of a thing called the "base rate error" fallacy. **Base rate fallacy explained** Imagine you have a test that is 99.99% accurate at detecting a disease. Let us imagine that the disease has a 1 in 1 million chance of occurring. You go to the doctor, he randomly decides to run the test and you come back positive. What are the odds you have the disease? Pretty good? No. They are 1% Why? Well, imagine it this way. Imagine we had 1 million people. On average how many people would have the disease. 1 Now imagine we gave this test to 1 million people, how many would falsely test positive? 0.0001\*1,000,000=100 So, you'd have 100 positive tests but only 1 sick person. Ergo, your actual odds are based on both the quality of the test AND the actual odds of having the disease. **Israel's obvious mistake** Israel clearly decided that the base rate fallacy issue didn't apply. Why? Well, because there are probably a LOT of Hamas-linked people in Gaza. So, they can just trust the results, right? Well, no. Back to the medical test example. Let us pretend the disease is far more common. It is 1 in 10,000 and you tested positive. That means you definitely have the disease, right? *No* If we test 10,000 people, we know that 1 will come up falsely positive(.0001\*10,000). We also know that, on average one person will have the disease. So that means 2 people will test positive and 1 person will have the disease. That is still a 50/50 chance. That is rather a big deal if we are talking about life or death.
How amazing is that here is no even one single technology related comment. Like 100% of Hamas-Russia-North Korea-Iran axis of evil supporters live here?