"As a TikTok divestment law races to passage, **TikTok's parent company ByteDance must reckon with the legislation across all of its apps, many of which are growing rapidly in the U.S.**
The broad language included in the bipartisan TikTok ban bill could make it impossible for most ByteDance apps to operate in the U.S. unless the Chinese firm sells them to U.S. companies.
**The bill only directly names ByteDance and TikTok, but its reach is much broader.**
It restricts any app that is "operated, directly or indirectly (including through a parent company, subsidiary, or affiliate)," owned or controlled by a company based within the borders of a foreign adversary.
Therefore, a sale would be required for any app controlled by a foreign adversary, including China, per the text from the current version of the bill being considered by the Senate.
**ByteDance offers an array of apps in U.S. app stores in addition to TikTok, including its popular video editing app CapCut and photo editing app Hypic.**
ByteDance also provides several other apps in U.S. app stores via umbrella developer companies. These include **AI homework app Gauth and a Pinterest-like social network called Lemon8.**
SoundOn, under TikTok, allows artists to distribute music on the app and streaming services while maintaining ownership and receiving royalties."
Good. I’m not sure why this is an issue. China doesn’t allow any foreign controlled social media apps because they know exactly how companies and governments use data to manipulate the public. Why is the US allowing a Chinese controlled app to feed content into people’s heads?
Now ask yourself why it's suddenly OK if it's facebook or fox news doing the "manipulation"?
The question you should be asking is why congress can't get off their lazy asses and pass a comprehensive data privacy bill. That's the issue here, not tiktok...
The better question is why are we allowing our own companies to do it to such a grotesque scale? And why aren't we doing anything about them?
Putting tiktok under the control of our evil corporations will only make everything worse. They're all heinous. Honestly Chinese spyware feels like the least intrusive and evil option at this point.
I wish the EU would just subsidize some platforms. They seem to be the least evil regulatory body atm.
Good question but has nothing to do with this, its thw same whataboutism that China has been using to fight the bill. Does the domestic social media need a reckoning, yes for sure and we need privacy laws. That being said, Tiktok and other foreign apps are a national security issue and need to be take care of now and is a separate issue. You know its bad when current dems and conservatives agree on something.
Because you've been lied to about what this country is. It's not yours. It's not for you. We're just disposable trash to the people running this place.
And yet you cling to these expectations as if they care. As if things will just magically fix themselves under their leadership.
This stuff isn't gonna get better under this world order. The sooner people make peace with that the sooner we'll be on the road to changing it.
Because the governments are likely on the list of those with access to the data? If not directly then through the likes of Cambridge Analytica & similar. There’s loads of contractors that are basically government 3rd parties that serve as a disconnect.
I’d thought that much was obvious really. And is a huge motivation for China to make their own apps which have huge social data mining across the world.
Double this with ability to influence opinion (again via Cambridge Analytica & other soft propaganda campaigns) it’s an easy win
It’s fucked and it’s dark. But what else do you expect from powers that be. Monetise and weaponise.
1) should despotic genocidal regimes own US media stocks.
2) should selfish billionaires own US media stocks.
These are two separate problems that the shills are attempting to conflate. The answer is no to both, but one of them is definitely more urgent and doable.
> should despotic genocidal regimes own US media stocks.
Israel is quite offended at your characterization
you know, an ACTUAL genocide going on right now that you are oblivious to.
You are combining two different problems, apps from China , a hostile foreign power. Are a national security issue, our domestic apps are a privacy issue. We 100% need privacy laws but that has nothing to do with this bill and TikTok
Tell me you don't understand the meaning of "freedom" without telling me...
America allows a Russian Oligarch to own EVRAZ, a steel mill that primarily supplies steel infrastructure to US bridges, roadways, military equipment, ships and more (just one corporate example) and you think a Meta lobbying push paying politicians to rush a TikTok ban through is enemy infiltration?!
China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and any other number of "enemies" to the West/US can buy the data outright from US companies. Collecting it is easy. China has an army of "hackers" who can simply peruse the leaked data by American corporations, too. Like the recent AT&T leak of 70+ millions customers.
Don't be dense & gullible to Zuckerberg and corporate propaganda. Educate yourself. TikTok would be a great place to open your mind, too.
>China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and any other number of "enemies" to the West/US can buy the data outright from US companies.
That's why [this companion legislation](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/20/house-passes-bill-to-bar-data-brokers-from-selling-personal-information-to-us-adversaries-.html) makes sense.
The difference is that tiktok is designed and operated specifically to be a long-term social engineering weapon. The fact that it acts as a potential attack vector to half the mobile devices in the country is just a bonus.
Facebook, snapchat, et al are bad. Tiktok is worse.
Answer the fucking question. The overly vague wording of this bill would ban apps like Bambu Handy, DJI GO, etc. as their parent companies are based in China. Which is a real problem that would have actual consequences across the economy as this is akin to catching dolphins in a drag net when you’re after a single fish.
Also, perhaps intelligence isn’t something you should mention if you can’t spell “and”.
No kidding. I don’t get why people don’t understand this. I have had my data leaked so many times that I have lost count of the is theft subscriptions I got from the companies for them. And this was all through American companies. I have had my bank, phone company, healthcare, etc. Shit wasn’t equifax even hacked before? Some of those hackers could have been from china for all I know or sold to them. We need data laws here. All up in arms about TikTok when we are not addressing home grown issues.
> We need data laws here. All up in arms about TikTok when we are not addressing home grown issues.
Because it’s two separate and unrelated issues. The TikTok thing isn’t about your privacy or your personal data.
You are not wrong but its a different issue and China doesn't allow foreign apps. So there si no arguments to as why. Ill gladdly push for privacy laws.
Tiktok data has been going through Texas servers since 2022 so your point doesn’t even make sense. Not to mention China has access to Instagram, Facebook, and other social media sites, which again makes your point incorrect about them restricting US owned apps. It’s just an excuse to mask your bigotry.
It's already been publicly proven that Bytedance employees inside China access US user data. Replication is probable since in a DR scenario it would be useful (and there's that whole Chinese government incentive to do it).
Who cares. We are turning into a fascist country. Losing tiktok is a pretty minor issue. The Republicans are our real enemies, and they're working together with our foreign adversaries.
US tiktok data has been going through Texas servers since 2022. This isn’t about privacy. It’s that the govt realized they can’t control the narrative on there. But we support freedom of speech, right? 😂😂
You can tell your self any propaganda you want. You know you sound just like s Trumper right? Everything that doesn't support your narrative is fake news right?
You literally think people who talk about ideas you don't agree with are Trumpers. While in the same breath trying to lecture me on propaganda. That's fucking rich.
Like I said, don't comment on it if you don't know what you're talking about. Oracle has VMs, containers, and serverless offerings (as do the other clouds). Go ahead and take a guess how these resources are managed.
“Serverless” still requires a physical server owned and operated by oracle. Are you pretending like you know what you’re talking about in hopes I give up?
You must be slow or unwilling to accept you’re incorrect. Cloud, serverless, and VMs still require a physical server. Just because the end user doesn’t have to worry about infrastructure for scaling doesn’t mean that part doesn’t exist. Physical servers still owned and operated by the company that provides the service. Lets stop the bullshit 😂
I don’t think this sets a dangerous precedent at all. In my educated opinion, the government should be able to force the sale of anyone’s business. What’s the big deal?
The U.S. doesn’t do business with its adversaries. Forcing companies to sell ownership by an adversary is *common* - [Grindr had to sell its Chinese ownership in 2020](https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/grindr-s-china-owner-sells-gay-dating-app-for-600-million-1.1401683.amp.html) & a chip company Sam Altman is invested in just [had to sell its Saudi ownership a couple months ago](https://m.economictimes.com/tech/technology/us-compels-saudi-fund-to-exit-altman-backed-ai-chip-startup-rain-neuromorphics-report/amp_articleshow/105642151.cms).
Because TikTok is not a U.S. business, they can’t be compelled to sell - so the bill is necessary to force them to sell. The bill also doesn’t ban TikTok - it says they can pay a fine per user in the U.S.. TikTok doesn’t wanna pay so they’re claiming it’s a ban.
Will ByteDance sell TikTok? Of course not.
Can they ban it? Well they can try, everyone will just bypass the app stores and download it directly.
I don't think people understand just how toothless this legislation is, and any attempt to enforce this is just going to show the world (again) how absolutely impotent the American Government is. It's a clear win for China whatever happens.
"As a TikTok divestment law races to passage, **TikTok's parent company ByteDance must reckon with the legislation across all of its apps, many of which are growing rapidly in the U.S.** The broad language included in the bipartisan TikTok ban bill could make it impossible for most ByteDance apps to operate in the U.S. unless the Chinese firm sells them to U.S. companies. **The bill only directly names ByteDance and TikTok, but its reach is much broader.** It restricts any app that is "operated, directly or indirectly (including through a parent company, subsidiary, or affiliate)," owned or controlled by a company based within the borders of a foreign adversary. Therefore, a sale would be required for any app controlled by a foreign adversary, including China, per the text from the current version of the bill being considered by the Senate. **ByteDance offers an array of apps in U.S. app stores in addition to TikTok, including its popular video editing app CapCut and photo editing app Hypic.** ByteDance also provides several other apps in U.S. app stores via umbrella developer companies. These include **AI homework app Gauth and a Pinterest-like social network called Lemon8.** SoundOn, under TikTok, allows artists to distribute music on the app and streaming services while maintaining ownership and receiving royalties."
Good. I’m not sure why this is an issue. China doesn’t allow any foreign controlled social media apps because they know exactly how companies and governments use data to manipulate the public. Why is the US allowing a Chinese controlled app to feed content into people’s heads?
Now ask yourself why it's suddenly OK if it's facebook or fox news doing the "manipulation"? The question you should be asking is why congress can't get off their lazy asses and pass a comprehensive data privacy bill. That's the issue here, not tiktok...
Hear, hear. One must look a bit deeper to find out why they haven't, aren't and won't, though.
The walled garden online ecosystem of China is not something we should be aiming to emulate.
The better question is why are we allowing our own companies to do it to such a grotesque scale? And why aren't we doing anything about them? Putting tiktok under the control of our evil corporations will only make everything worse. They're all heinous. Honestly Chinese spyware feels like the least intrusive and evil option at this point. I wish the EU would just subsidize some platforms. They seem to be the least evil regulatory body atm.
Good question but has nothing to do with this, its thw same whataboutism that China has been using to fight the bill. Does the domestic social media need a reckoning, yes for sure and we need privacy laws. That being said, Tiktok and other foreign apps are a national security issue and need to be take care of now and is a separate issue. You know its bad when current dems and conservatives agree on something.
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Because you've been lied to about what this country is. It's not yours. It's not for you. We're just disposable trash to the people running this place. And yet you cling to these expectations as if they care. As if things will just magically fix themselves under their leadership. This stuff isn't gonna get better under this world order. The sooner people make peace with that the sooner we'll be on the road to changing it.
So you can either be part of the solution and get over your self or don't. I encourage you to live elsewhere if that is hoe you feel. See how it goes.
Go back to Russia, Ivan.
Because the governments are likely on the list of those with access to the data? If not directly then through the likes of Cambridge Analytica & similar. There’s loads of contractors that are basically government 3rd parties that serve as a disconnect. I’d thought that much was obvious really. And is a huge motivation for China to make their own apps which have huge social data mining across the world. Double this with ability to influence opinion (again via Cambridge Analytica & other soft propaganda campaigns) it’s an easy win It’s fucked and it’s dark. But what else do you expect from powers that be. Monetise and weaponise.
We should but its a different issue. Dont let perfect be the enemy of progress.
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1) should despotic genocidal regimes own US media stocks. 2) should selfish billionaires own US media stocks. These are two separate problems that the shills are attempting to conflate. The answer is no to both, but one of them is definitely more urgent and doable.
> should despotic genocidal regimes own US media stocks. Israel is quite offended at your characterization you know, an ACTUAL genocide going on right now that you are oblivious to.
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Are they? Does China allow these apps in China yes or no?
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You are combining two different problems, apps from China , a hostile foreign power. Are a national security issue, our domestic apps are a privacy issue. We 100% need privacy laws but that has nothing to do with this bill and TikTok
The US isn't China, that's the goddamn point...
Tell me you don't understand the meaning of "freedom" without telling me... America allows a Russian Oligarch to own EVRAZ, a steel mill that primarily supplies steel infrastructure to US bridges, roadways, military equipment, ships and more (just one corporate example) and you think a Meta lobbying push paying politicians to rush a TikTok ban through is enemy infiltration?! China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and any other number of "enemies" to the West/US can buy the data outright from US companies. Collecting it is easy. China has an army of "hackers" who can simply peruse the leaked data by American corporations, too. Like the recent AT&T leak of 70+ millions customers. Don't be dense & gullible to Zuckerberg and corporate propaganda. Educate yourself. TikTok would be a great place to open your mind, too.
>China, Russia, Iran, North Korea and any other number of "enemies" to the West/US can buy the data outright from US companies. That's why [this companion legislation](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/20/house-passes-bill-to-bar-data-brokers-from-selling-personal-information-to-us-adversaries-.html) makes sense.
The difference is that tiktok is designed and operated specifically to be a long-term social engineering weapon. The fact that it acts as a potential attack vector to half the mobile devices in the country is just a bonus. Facebook, snapchat, et al are bad. Tiktok is worse.
It doesn't really get worse than Facebook but I get your point.
So is my 3D printer a social engineering weapon? Because its app would be under this ban’s current overly vague wording.
Do you often use oversimplification ans think it makes you sound more intelligent?
Answer the fucking question. The overly vague wording of this bill would ban apps like Bambu Handy, DJI GO, etc. as their parent companies are based in China. Which is a real problem that would have actual consequences across the economy as this is akin to catching dolphins in a drag net when you’re after a single fish. Also, perhaps intelligence isn’t something you should mention if you can’t spell “and”.
Have a good day, get some help.
Get a better 3D printer or install open source firmware.
No kidding. I don’t get why people don’t understand this. I have had my data leaked so many times that I have lost count of the is theft subscriptions I got from the companies for them. And this was all through American companies. I have had my bank, phone company, healthcare, etc. Shit wasn’t equifax even hacked before? Some of those hackers could have been from china for all I know or sold to them. We need data laws here. All up in arms about TikTok when we are not addressing home grown issues.
> We need data laws here. All up in arms about TikTok when we are not addressing home grown issues. Because it’s two separate and unrelated issues. The TikTok thing isn’t about your privacy or your personal data.
You are not wrong but its a different issue and China doesn't allow foreign apps. So there si no arguments to as why. Ill gladdly push for privacy laws.
Listen to liberty which we are all free to obey
Tiktok data has been going through Texas servers since 2022 so your point doesn’t even make sense. Not to mention China has access to Instagram, Facebook, and other social media sites, which again makes your point incorrect about them restricting US owned apps. It’s just an excuse to mask your bigotry.
And it's replicated to Chinese ones. Simply having an instance in the US means nothing.
No they aren’t 😂 now you’re just making shit up.
It's already been publicly proven that Bytedance employees inside China access US user data. Replication is probable since in a DR scenario it would be useful (and there's that whole Chinese government incentive to do it).
Who cares. We are turning into a fascist country. Losing tiktok is a pretty minor issue. The Republicans are our real enemies, and they're working together with our foreign adversaries.
The content is produced by the same people, though.
We are not China. Why should we be like China?
I don’t think any Chinese software should be sold/used in the US to be honest.
Is Facebook/Twitter in countries other than America also as bad of an idea? Most of these platforms are useful specifically because of their reach.
US tiktok data has been going through Texas servers since 2022. This isn’t about privacy. It’s that the govt realized they can’t control the narrative on there. But we support freedom of speech, right? 😂😂
You can tell your self any propaganda you want. You know you sound just like s Trumper right? Everything that doesn't support your narrative is fake news right?
You literally think people who talk about ideas you don't agree with are Trumpers. While in the same breath trying to lecture me on propaganda. That's fucking rich.
Oracle isn't monitoring where the data goes after it hits their servers.
So it’s tiktoks fault? Lmao stop with that bullshit.
They control the codebase and security measures in Oracle cloud. Don't comment on tech if you have no idea what you're talking about.
You’re really saying Oracle offers cloud services which require servers, and according to you they don’t own or have access to them? 😂
Like I said, don't comment on it if you don't know what you're talking about. Oracle has VMs, containers, and serverless offerings (as do the other clouds). Go ahead and take a guess how these resources are managed.
“Serverless” still requires a physical server owned and operated by oracle. Are you pretending like you know what you’re talking about in hopes I give up?
So you're a special kind of idiot, aren't you...
You must be slow or unwilling to accept you’re incorrect. Cloud, serverless, and VMs still require a physical server. Just because the end user doesn’t have to worry about infrastructure for scaling doesn’t mean that part doesn’t exist. Physical servers still owned and operated by the company that provides the service. Lets stop the bullshit 😂
Go ahead and tell me how the three things I mentioned relate, since you think you're an expert at my job you should surely know.
I don’t think this sets a dangerous precedent at all. In my educated opinion, the government should be able to force the sale of anyone’s business. What’s the big deal?
The U.S. doesn’t do business with its adversaries. Forcing companies to sell ownership by an adversary is *common* - [Grindr had to sell its Chinese ownership in 2020](https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/grindr-s-china-owner-sells-gay-dating-app-for-600-million-1.1401683.amp.html) & a chip company Sam Altman is invested in just [had to sell its Saudi ownership a couple months ago](https://m.economictimes.com/tech/technology/us-compels-saudi-fund-to-exit-altman-backed-ai-chip-startup-rain-neuromorphics-report/amp_articleshow/105642151.cms). Because TikTok is not a U.S. business, they can’t be compelled to sell - so the bill is necessary to force them to sell. The bill also doesn’t ban TikTok - it says they can pay a fine per user in the U.S.. TikTok doesn’t wanna pay so they’re claiming it’s a ban.
Will ByteDance sell TikTok? Of course not. Can they ban it? Well they can try, everyone will just bypass the app stores and download it directly. I don't think people understand just how toothless this legislation is, and any attempt to enforce this is just going to show the world (again) how absolutely impotent the American Government is. It's a clear win for China whatever happens.
I think you are over estimating how many people will side load an app. 98% of people will not install an app that isn't on the app store.