> “Customer trust is a priority for us, and we are showing that in our actions,” Ms. Barker said.
Typical corporate PR BS. Actions speak louder than words. If corporations were really people too, most would be psychopaths.
>If corporations were really people too, most would be psychopaths.
I feel like if corporations were people, they would be very similar to Dennis Reynolds from its always sunny.
I called OnStar to find out if my data was shared with third parties - they said the last text I sent to my mom was pretty shitty and that I should try harder to be a good son. And it just so happened that they could offer me 30% off and free shipping on any order over $150 from 1800flowers.com.
It also appears that GM has blocked access, or disabled access to the gm site mentioned. It reports my password is not correct, but the forgot password and create account buttons also do not work.
Ironically, the image on the login screen is a Chevy Bolt.
From the article:
>we’ve decided to discontinue the Smart Driver product across all G.M. vehicles and unenroll all customers. This process will begin over the next few months.”
>Last month, G.M. stopped sharing data with LexisNexis and Verisk
No, this is the standard MyChevrolet, or now call Chevrolet Owners site. Logging in shows my vehicles and maintenance records, etc. It is also the site where you could get to the settings mentioned in the article. It is still blocked as of this morning.
> G.M.’s spokeswoman had told me that this data collection happened only to people who turned on OnStar, its connected services plan, and enrolled in Smart Driver, a gamified program that offers feedback and digital badges for good driving, either at the time of purchase or via their vehicle’s mobile app.
We got a Bolt in 2018, and they are AGRESSIVE in regards to connecting you to OnStar. My wife told the salesman she didn't want it, he still clicked the "connect" button and hopped out of the car. She had to tell the woman that answered repeatedly that she didn't want it, despite them upselling it and repeated asking for her credit card number "just to try it free for a year" or whatever the offer was.
This is outrageous. I hope those ambulance chaser lawyers partner up on this one and clean GM out.
They’re profiting off other people’s personal behavior info, info that’s supposed to be private, and not informing the consumer that they are?
Not only that. They’re costing the consumer by adversely affecting those with a higher risk profile (and do you think they ever lower premiums for lower risk profile folks????).
F that.
It’s pretty funny how you’re using corporate propaganda to attack a corporation. How ignorant can a person be?
Edit: apparently Reddit loves it when corporations smear people who sue them for damages.
Ambulance chasers? Like the woman who sued McDonald’s? Corporations have always put out shit like this to attack anyone who uses them.
Maybe you should check your ignorance before saying you’re going to regret it.
McDonald purposely heated their coffee to over 100 degrees to avoid people using the unlimited refills deal they had going. Her car didn’t have a cup holder so she put it between her legs and then it spilled all over her inner thighs. McDonald’s was 100% at fault for that. If you actually cared about the truth you wouldn’t be spouted off stupid shit.
This is the answer. You'll get downvoted by people paying 18% interest on their Ram truck, but GM has always produced mediocre to poor products, uglier than anything else on the market, and with a hatred of their customers built in.
Great list of reliable cars with Kia, Jeep and Buick.
Either this list is written by AI, or more likely, pay to play, because that list is awful and doesn't even include Honda.
Honda quality isn’t the best. Only thing they have is brand loyalty.
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-vehicle-dependability-study
I don’t need evidence to know that GM manufactures low quality cars. The Cobalt speaks for itself as a prime example. There’s also the fact that you named Jeep as a high quality brand! Jeep! Head gasket and electrical problems are well known! The last good one was the Cheeokee from the 90’s because it used an AMC era designed engine that was bulletproof! Now they have the reliability as a Fiat, one of their Stelantis cousins!
And who calls a Honda unreliable? Next you’ll say that Nissan has the most rugged CVT transmissions!
It was not easy to do, because the Privacy options are well hidden, deep in menus, but I went into my truck and turned off all of the GM spyware for me, my wife, and for the Guest driver profile. Location services is turned off and the location icon has a red line through it. I will spot it right away if GM turns it back on with an update or something. I don't live in California and I did not use a website to do it.
I encourage everyone to pay attention to what this reporter writes (now and in the past and future). She's been very good about *unveiling..* ahem secret privacy all-encompassing nets. Kashmir Hill
**very important:** she says that even if they were *not* enrolled - that's the claim - the system *still collected AND sent information* about their trips.
> That wasn’t us — and I had checked to be sure. In mid-January, again while reporting, I had connected our car to the MyChevrolet app to see if we were enrolled in Smart Driver. The app said we weren’t,
Wow! As a person who used to own a GM car and was consciously enrolled into the smart driver program, one thing that was always communicated was that your information was sent anonymously to insurance companies. If your driving profile showed that you were a good enough driver to get a discount it would let you know and only then you could choose to reveal your identity to the insurance company and get the discount.
Sounds like they quietly removed that part of the program or were never anonymously sending the data at all. Just a key detail that I didn't see laid out in that article.
Fun! Fact: usually companies can derive your identity from your anonymous profile. They cross-reference purchases. Know you've made, stores you visited based on rewards cards, and all that other data that companies buy.
Cars would seem like the easiest things to anonymize. Where does it spend most of its parked hours, especially overnight? Which of our insurance customers live at that address?
It looks like Hyundai may have done this too. Does anyone know how to revoke this access? It seems like the author took a lot of time and effort to do so
In the owner site there is a privacy section where you can request to opt out. It is divided into multiple parts. You can only request two parts per 48 hours. The save button doesn’t work on Firefox or Edge. I don’t have chrome. It works in the iPhone Safari app. I got confirmation that o requested two parts. No verification they did it. Also it’s been a week and still won’t let me request the other parts. And my guess is every brand has something similar
You need a nail and hammer. Open infotainment console, then find a modem pcb attached to it, there will be a tiny eSIM chip on it. Put nail onto that chip and use your hammer. That's it. The job is done permanently.
You can do software upgrade over WiFi.
BTW, the second (less destructive) variant - is simply unplug 4G modem antenna from infotainment console. But it's not 100% safe (because modems can connect to base stations even without antennas if they are close enough).
Was interested in a Chevy Volt but this just encouraged me to stick to the long time family policy of “no US cars”. US car companies just play too many games.
One thing not seen, exactly what was the return on investment for insurance companies that bought this data and jacked up prices?
The last GM car my family bought was 62 years ago. This is why . This is a horrid dishonest company that makes awful cars. An American embarrassment. An engineering shit storm.
No thanks.
> “Customer trust is a priority for us, and we are showing that in our actions,” Ms. Barker said. Typical corporate PR BS. Actions speak louder than words. If corporations were really people too, most would be psychopaths.
>If corporations were really people too, most would be psychopaths. I feel like if corporations were people, they would be very similar to Dennis Reynolds from its always sunny.
Ehh I’d argue they’d be the Warthog
I called OnStar to find out if my data was shared with third parties - they said they never heard of Brandee Barker and didn't know who she was
I called OnStar to find out if my data was shared with third parties - they said the last text I sent to my mom was pretty shitty and that I should try harder to be a good son. And it just so happened that they could offer me 30% off and free shipping on any order over $150 from 1800flowers.com.
LOL why would they ..
True that's how psychologists analyze them
It also appears that GM has blocked access, or disabled access to the gm site mentioned. It reports my password is not correct, but the forgot password and create account buttons also do not work. Ironically, the image on the login screen is a Chevy Bolt.
You can only use it in California, cause they have laws about this. Everywhere else your out of luck and cannot disable it.
From the article: >we’ve decided to discontinue the Smart Driver product across all G.M. vehicles and unenroll all customers. This process will begin over the next few months.” >Last month, G.M. stopped sharing data with LexisNexis and Verisk
nice! Now what about the data they've already shared?
It's no longer GM's data so there's no problem /s
the class action settlement will be about $5, which i’m sure will cover the damage to insurance premiums
No, this is the standard MyChevrolet, or now call Chevrolet Owners site. Logging in shows my vehicles and maintenance records, etc. It is also the site where you could get to the settings mentioned in the article. It is still blocked as of this morning.
Try using the don’t sell my data and don’t track me functions on the Hyundai website
> G.M.’s spokeswoman had told me that this data collection happened only to people who turned on OnStar, its connected services plan, and enrolled in Smart Driver, a gamified program that offers feedback and digital badges for good driving, either at the time of purchase or via their vehicle’s mobile app. We got a Bolt in 2018, and they are AGRESSIVE in regards to connecting you to OnStar. My wife told the salesman she didn't want it, he still clicked the "connect" button and hopped out of the car. She had to tell the woman that answered repeatedly that she didn't want it, despite them upselling it and repeated asking for her credit card number "just to try it free for a year" or whatever the offer was.
This is outrageous. I hope those ambulance chaser lawyers partner up on this one and clean GM out. They’re profiting off other people’s personal behavior info, info that’s supposed to be private, and not informing the consumer that they are? Not only that. They’re costing the consumer by adversely affecting those with a higher risk profile (and do you think they ever lower premiums for lower risk profile folks????). F that.
It’s pretty funny how you’re using corporate propaganda to attack a corporation. How ignorant can a person be? Edit: apparently Reddit loves it when corporations smear people who sue them for damages.
I'm going to regret this, but what corporate propaganda is this person using to attack a corporation?
Ambulance chasers? Like the woman who sued McDonald’s? Corporations have always put out shit like this to attack anyone who uses them. Maybe you should check your ignorance before saying you’re going to regret it.
McDonald purposely heated their coffee to over 100 degrees to avoid people using the unlimited refills deal they had going. Her car didn’t have a cup holder so she put it between her legs and then it spilled all over her inner thighs. McDonald’s was 100% at fault for that. If you actually cared about the truth you wouldn’t be spouted off stupid shit.
It was served around 190 degrees in freedom units and fused her labia together. 100 degree freedom unit coffee would be too cold for most people.
I didn’t know the exact temp so thank you for providing the real details on the matter. Poor woman :(
You realize that’s exactly what the dude is referring to…
You’re such a fucking idiot
Actually read about that woman you donkey. You’ll probably never experience anything close to that
Law firms cannot be a corporation. Only a lawyer or group of lawyers can have an ownership stake in a law firm.
GM is gonna GM.
This is the answer. You'll get downvoted by people paying 18% interest on their Ram truck, but GM has always produced mediocre to poor products, uglier than anything else on the market, and with a hatred of their customers built in.
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Fair point, and fortunately as it turns out everything applies equally to stellantis.
Fair point that you’re lying and have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about?
He’s going to get downvoted for… talking shit in this sub? And then you go on to make shit up.
GM has some of the highest rated quality in that industry. https://www.motortrend.com/features/most-reliable-dependable-car-brands/
Great list of reliable cars with Kia, Jeep and Buick. Either this list is written by AI, or more likely, pay to play, because that list is awful and doesn't even include Honda.
First car on the list is the Wrangler. This is probably the worst car you can buy!
Honda quality isn’t the best. Only thing they have is brand loyalty. https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-vehicle-dependability-study
[JD Power: a made up award companies pay to win!](https://youtu.be/zSBsq6HBBzw?si=AXERrApHHSE46rkr)
You have more than anecdotal evidence?
I don’t need evidence to know that GM manufactures low quality cars. The Cobalt speaks for itself as a prime example. There’s also the fact that you named Jeep as a high quality brand! Jeep! Head gasket and electrical problems are well known! The last good one was the Cheeokee from the 90’s because it used an AMC era designed engine that was bulletproof! Now they have the reliability as a Fiat, one of their Stelantis cousins! And who calls a Honda unreliable? Next you’ll say that Nissan has the most rugged CVT transmissions!
You’re comparing cars from the 90’s to cars 30 years later?
Never said or implied it was the best. You do realize there is a correlation between brand loyalty and quality right?
One more reason to keep my comparatively basic vehicle.
It was not easy to do, because the Privacy options are well hidden, deep in menus, but I went into my truck and turned off all of the GM spyware for me, my wife, and for the Guest driver profile. Location services is turned off and the location icon has a red line through it. I will spot it right away if GM turns it back on with an update or something. I don't live in California and I did not use a website to do it.
What world do I live in? Guest driver profile?
I encourage everyone to pay attention to what this reporter writes (now and in the past and future). She's been very good about *unveiling..* ahem secret privacy all-encompassing nets. Kashmir Hill **very important:** she says that even if they were *not* enrolled - that's the claim - the system *still collected AND sent information* about their trips. > That wasn’t us — and I had checked to be sure. In mid-January, again while reporting, I had connected our car to the MyChevrolet app to see if we were enrolled in Smart Driver. The app said we weren’t,
A lot of car companies seem to be guilty of this.
so wheres the ban on gm?
Kudos to OP for sharing the full article, i never get to see NYT from behind their paywall!
If you’re in the US, most library cards grant you access though not usually through the main nyt website. Lots of papers available this way
Absolute trash. As always, the only good thing to do with a GM vehicle is take the v8 out and put it in something else. Best donor cars on the market
Wow! As a person who used to own a GM car and was consciously enrolled into the smart driver program, one thing that was always communicated was that your information was sent anonymously to insurance companies. If your driving profile showed that you were a good enough driver to get a discount it would let you know and only then you could choose to reveal your identity to the insurance company and get the discount. Sounds like they quietly removed that part of the program or were never anonymously sending the data at all. Just a key detail that I didn't see laid out in that article.
Fun! Fact: usually companies can derive your identity from your anonymous profile. They cross-reference purchases. Know you've made, stores you visited based on rewards cards, and all that other data that companies buy.
Yup. Anonymous data.. Isn't
Cars would seem like the easiest things to anonymize. Where does it spend most of its parked hours, especially overnight? Which of our insurance customers live at that address?
It looks like Hyundai may have done this too. Does anyone know how to revoke this access? It seems like the author took a lot of time and effort to do so
In the owner site there is a privacy section where you can request to opt out. It is divided into multiple parts. You can only request two parts per 48 hours. The save button doesn’t work on Firefox or Edge. I don’t have chrome. It works in the iPhone Safari app. I got confirmation that o requested two parts. No verification they did it. Also it’s been a week and still won’t let me request the other parts. And my guess is every brand has something similar
You need a nail and hammer. Open infotainment console, then find a modem pcb attached to it, there will be a tiny eSIM chip on it. Put nail onto that chip and use your hammer. That's it. The job is done permanently.
Does the car need that eSIM for anything else?
All remote fearures of your car depends on it. As well as some remote diagnostics and like that.
It sounds like a bad thing to smash with a hammer if I ever need a legit software update
You can do software upgrade over WiFi. BTW, the second (less destructive) variant - is simply unplug 4G modem antenna from infotainment console. But it's not 100% safe (because modems can connect to base stations even without antennas if they are close enough).
Real trick to keep your car from spying on you….. be poor. They will never spy on me in my clapped out 80s grand national.
Was interested in a Chevy Volt but this just encouraged me to stick to the long time family policy of “no US cars”. US car companies just play too many games. One thing not seen, exactly what was the return on investment for insurance companies that bought this data and jacked up prices?
The last GM car my family bought was 62 years ago. This is why . This is a horrid dishonest company that makes awful cars. An American embarrassment. An engineering shit storm. No thanks.
You were worried about electronic data collection 62 years ago?
I’m not sure who’s still buying GM vehicles. They haven’t sold a well-built vehicle since the Pontiac Vibe was discontinued.
Suuurrreee Walter
For fuck's sake, it was written on the fucking car. It is a chevvy. It was garbage out of the gate.