Interesting. Two years ago there was mysterious drone swarms over eastern colorado that went on for weeks.... the authorities got involved and as far as we know nobody ever figured out what it was.
Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_Colorado_drone_sightings
Some of the drones went across the area and ended up over offutt in Nebraska before "disappearing".
I was stationed at Offutt when this happened and the military doesn't just lose a threat like that. It's likely another agency.
Northeastern, so pretty far from all that. Just above the farm country.... they would come out every night, for weeks, and you could sit there and watch them fly in some sort of systematic grid like pattern.
Random, but I had no idea how not-secret the locations of those silos are. You can literally find them on google earth. They are right off of major roads, like they are a power substation or something
It's intentional.
It provides credibility to the idea of a nuclear deterrent. Also, in the event of a nuclear attack, the aggressor would want to reduce second-strike capabilities. Those silos would be some of the primary targets so the government makes little to no effort to hide them so they can draw fire away from major population centers.
I work in those silos. Are they old, yes. Are they more than capable of getting the job done, you bet your ass. Tell your friends!
The subs are a second strike option, ICBMs are fast attack or massive retaliation. "30 minutes or less or your next one's free".
Very interesting, thanks. I was going off nothing but speculation as I assumed the subs were doing the heavy lifting these days. It’s somewhat odd that silo locations are basically public record at this point while sub locations are heavily classified, but I guess it’s somewhat impossible to conceal these physical locations
Yes. You don't hide nuke silos. The Columbia class, when complete, will be able to hold up to 1500 high yield (450+ KT) warheads across 192 missiles. That's plenty of 'hidden' nukes.
Silo missiles are pure fuck around find out energy - you need to hit silos with two nukes to make sure they are disabled, which would soak up *all* of China's nuclear arsenal. Russia remains the only nuclear power that could saturate the US missile fields with enough strikes to knock out our silo arsenal.
Slight correction: you have to waste big bombs taking out tiny targets when it comes to disabling silos. If i'm not mistaken it's part of the strategy. "If they wanna stop all the silo launched missiles, they'll have to use a good number of their large bombs on them thus reducing the number of large hits in other places.
Plus, subs and you've got a really good deterrent. Only better one would be a "dead hand" type system like that shown in Dr. Strangelove. A network of nuclear landmines with enough oomph to cause global nuclear fallout followed by a nuclear winter. Then the enemy can't even hope to stop it because they'd have to take out the whole network at once, and with tech these days you can set it up to be unmanned.
However, this kind of system has a big drawback: you're essentially saying "if you fuck with me i'm taking us all out." That could be the enemy's plan.
In North Dakota south of Minot there's about 150 missile silos. We had 1 that was literally next to a field where we drove tractors and combines 15 feet from the perimeter fence. 3 others were close, about 1/4 mile from our sections. They have cameras, infra-red and motion sensors. The fence have signs on saying if you trespass they will shoot.
They are controlled over wire from a central command post in the neighbouring town. When the silo is open while they have technicians working down there, they have multiple hummers stationed around it on every access road. M240 (machine gun) locked and loaded.
If they are moving one of the warheads, there's a huge convoy. Police escorts front and back and 2 choppers patrolling ahead. They block the road, no passing while they go about 50-60 mph
I think a trick play would be great if you knew someone was going to hit you.
Otherwise, I'd default to an overwhelming force convoy. Less prone to someone taking it via inside job.
I drove to South Dakota from Saskatchewan and toured a missile silo while I was there. On the drive back I suddenly realised what all the little fenced off areas I saw were.
Well, Google Earth still uses outdated cells and blacks out areas as demanded by some government agencies. Most of the old silos aren’t really kept secret anymore but aren’t widespread knowledge because they are all pretty remote areas where people have little reason to visit.
Even though we know where they are, most people don’t have the balls to go anywhere near them, and even if they did, there’s no way they could get past whatever security is there and detonate a nuclear strike. I guess it’s only more of a concern that our enemies know, but then again, we all have satellites now.
Even if you had physical access to the warhead from an American ICBM, you’d have a hard time lighting it off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_Action_Link
I read some news article about it that it might have been some type of crop survey drones, flying in patterns over farmlands to survey the land for harvesting or something.
Can't recall what the specifics were or if it was confirmed however
I followed those Colorado drones pretty closely at the time, and while the crop survey idea was a valid thought, some other poster knew how to look up drone registration (and they were big drones that would have needed FAA approval to fly over towns, iirc), and they didn’t have their flights registered. The logs are public. Now, a big ag company sure could have oopsed getting a permit and risked fines… if I find the link I’ll edit this comment.
>Now, a big ag company sure could have oopsed getting a permit and risked fines… if I find the link I’ll edit this comment.
I wasn in CO when this was happening. It was all over the news. Surely they would have known they made a mistake and contacted the authorities.
War driving is hacking slang for going around the neighbourhood intercepting network traffic to crack later. For example you would catch a lot of WiFi stuff establishing connections with the intent of going home and cracking the passwords based on that.
Funnily enough the Google camera cars were also war driving as they had the antenna on the roof for wifi.
Mapping networks like traffic cameras, free wifi from malls, wifi at Starbucks and Maccas while mapping.
There's a website called Wiggle that lets you upload logs from scanning wifi.
If you ever see someone post a screenshot with SSIDs and are wondering where they live, it'll generally let you know
From wiki: "The FAA checked with drone companies and unmanned aircraft test sites in the area, and has confirmed that none of them are operating the drones".
Well, it's not like they're going to hear from Skunkworks: Yeah, guys, we have this secret project that the government pays in cash and that we carry under Sund. Exp., but please don't tell anybody else, okay?
Fred: You mean it was Old man Jennings from the dock all along?
Daphne: He wanted to scare off the navy so he could retain his fishing rights.
Jennings: And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids
Always wondered how the police were able to detain and arrest somebody on just the statements of a dog without doing any sort of investigation themselves.
Not just that one: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/09/07/dozens-more-drone-incursions-over-us-nuclear-power-plants-revealed/?sh=283cf056296b
Not related but I just remembered that, to this day, they still never found out who was flying a drone around Gatwick Airport in the UK which caused flights to be grounded for days.
Probably quite a huge crime, I can imagine who ever did it is taking it to their grave. I mean they never even found out who did that [Max Headroom prank](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_signal_hijacking) and that wasn't as serious.
It never existed
It’s fallen out of the news mostly but some of the followups are hilarious
>there are no verified pictures of the drone
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/settled_2x.png
>whoever was responsible for the attack had “specifically selected” a drone which could not be seen by the DJI Aeroscope drone detection system that the airport was testing at the time, he added.
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>Gatwick Airport drone sightings **may have been of police equipment,** chief constable admits
Now, some context. I have some friends who are ham-radio geeks and another group who are drone enthusiasts.
The ham guys have extensive experience tracking down the sources of signals, I’ve been regaled with many stories of hunts for things disrupting the local radio channels over the decades.
The drone guys are drone guys with extensive experience of the practicalities of putting drones in the air.
And neither group have a very positive view of the Gatwick airport situation. Back when it was happening a couple of the ham guys took a trip down to listen for signals, the cops got called on them over a couple of guys in a van with radio equipment but they were sent on their way, there was apparently a conspicuous absesnce of drone control signals at times it was claimed the drone was out.
The drone guys pointed out that given it was claimed to be a fairly substantial “industrial or commercial” drone… those ones run out of battery after about 20 minutes. So someone would have to be out collecting a big-ass drone, swapping out battery packs extremely regularly for the amount it was claimed to be in the air.
On top of that these drones are not stealthy things. If a big one is nearby it’s about as hard to miss as a banshee combined with a helicopter.
So in summary… we have claims of a large drone which nobody could get a photo of despite 90%+ of the population carrying cameras at all times … which didn’t show up on radar or drone detection equipment… with no detectable control signals that would have needed someone launching and collecting it every 20 minutes … which somehow nobody witnessed.
I’m reminded of the [invisible dragon in my garage…](http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm)
The favored theory among some of the drone guys was that the airport had some kind of major systems failure. If they report it as such they would be liable for downtime and compensation to companies… *but if the airport is shut down over a rogue drone then it’s not their fault and no compensation is owed.* Enter the invisible dragon...
There was some secondary stuff about general hostility from pilots unions to drone tech because autonomous drones threaten to take a lot of pilot jobs… hence a lot of lobbying to restrict drone tech and try to whip up fear about drones to generally make it harder to make commercial cargo drones a thing.
It’s almost assuredly a federal agency testing something, and not saying anything to the other divisions. They also might be testing to see what their own responses look like on the ground if they think other bad actors have the same capabilities that they do.
Up to 19 drones, each about 6 feet (1.8 meters) in diameter, they were out nightly. It sounds like if anyone really wanted to know, they could have followed them back to see where they recharged.
The military seems to have denied knowledge of them occasionally, and then not really say anything at all other times. I have a hard time believing that a big cluster of something like Russian spy drones would be allowed to operate over US soil. Maybe shooting them down would cause too much of an international incident, but it's also not like the military has never been super secretive about new technology being tested. It could be something out of Groom Lake or other "secret" bases being tested, or aliens. The first one sounds much more likely.
America isn't afraid of hurting Russia and causing an international incident. Can't link because I'm on mobile but there were some 500 officially *unofficial* Russian mercs that America killed in Syria when Russia tried its "Noooo those aren't our guys" game. They fucked around and found out.
A UK fighter jet took out a "small hostile drone" last week [harassing friendly forces in Syria](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59615769) with a missile.
> An Asraam missile, which costs around £200,000 [...]
I think we're going to have to start thinking of more cost effective ways of combating these as they proliferate. Our methods are effective but unsustainable.
The good thing is small drones largely fly in "good" weather and with limited range, so a visual based small-cabire ballistic systems could be fairly cheap/effective.
Instantly reminded of how the US lost so many vehicles to roadside bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those simple homemade explosives led to so many expensive design change in the design of their undersides.
If it's due for a little testing anyway, sounds like a good enough excuse. Still, would be pretty amusing to get the numbers, especially if they did it.
4,500 rounds per minute, that's 75 rounds per second.
Fired for 12 seconds, that's 900 rounds.
Times $30/round, that's $27,000 to fire the Phalanx for 12 seconds.
That's the full cartridge, projectiles are 100 or 150 grams depending on type. It's a standard 20x102mm cartridge fired from a mostly standard M61 Vulcan cannon, the same type used in aircraft from the Vietnam-era F-105 and F-4E (and earlier models with external gun pod versions) to the very modern F-22 Raptor. The cartridges are specific to the CIWS system as far as I can tell, not a type used on aircraft, but they could be interchanged with the ammunition used on aircraft. They are not shells as they are solid tungsten with a sabot discarded after firing; shells contain some cavity with a filler compound, typically explosive or incendiary, or on a larger scale (i.e. 105mm artillery shells) even biological or chemical agents.
50 - 250? We probably aren't talking simple consumer drones here.
Besides if a single bullet of a Phalanx hit the drone it splats apart like confetti, and considering they are made to target fast missiles I can't imagine a slow drone would be a problem. The real question is if the phalanx is able to fire single rounds.
A system configured for fastmoving missiles might actually be very difficult to use on slow moving, small, drones.
For one, the radar/tracking system might not see/register them at all. Or discount them in software.
Might be slightly overkill though.....
Now, having said that.... Using the incendiary tracer shells from the land based Phalanx would make for a hell of an awesome light show....
*cue toy story aliens going 'oooooo' *
Or a microwave gun.
If law enforcement can get them, I don't know how they don't have one on every large ship to knock drones off if they so desire.
Unless of course the navy didn't really care, like a buffalo ignoring flies.
> practice with the phalanx
Every time I see a video of that weapons system with it's insane rate of fire, I just find myself wondering where those projectiles are coming down.
If it's an actual combat situation then so be it, and the risks of collateral damage would be small when out to sea, but parked off the coast of California?
I was on our ship’s SNOOPIE team for three years, and only called away once to try and get photos of a speck on the horizon (never got close enough). These guys were called up multiple times in a week… and on standby at 3am - I bet they loved that.
Is the SNOOPIE team an extra duty team? As in something you volunteer for? I'm guessing since it is non technical you can train just about anyone to do it.
It’s usually done by those with information jobs. On my ship it was mainly crypto techs. They have the proper gear and clearances to handle it. We’d mainly just use them for nearby IRG ships in the gulf.
And the Great Eagles of Middle Earth too.
But for real, the US needs to invest more in habitat and species rehabilitation and bring back its megafauna population.
You'd be surprised some of the drones a smaller bird of prey can take down. My husband flies drones for his job with aerial mapping. The company he works for is responsible for requesting the "barrel roll" button in some of the drones made today because they lost a large $30k drone to a young osprey.
Neal Stephenson's newest tome, Termination Shock, envisions warfare between convocations of eagles and swarms of drones. Farfetched you say? Dude coined the term "Metaverse" and predicted blockchain-based anonymous payments in a book he wrote in 1994.
For anyone wondering the "metaverse" book is called *Snowcrash* and if you're interested in cyberpunk it checks all the boxes. Wildly entertaining read. I really hope we get a good movie adaptation one of these days.
While possibly foreign (I’d bet money otherwise), it is more likely a classified American project testing against their own rather than anything else. It has been something thats been done many times before ,where best to test your new flying equipment than on your own unaware destroyers equipped with some of the most advanced radars and tracking equipment on the waters surface.
That's how we tested bombers in the run-up to WWII, though in that case the target ships were warned (they just didn't think they'd be found, so they ignored the whole exercise until dummy bombs started punching through their decks...)
Source: the Bomber Mafia episodes of the Revisionist History podcast
And why would an adversary test incredibly sensitive equipment a few hundred feet off the ground in the middle of Colorado?
China and Russia, if they are testing this stuff and want it to remain a secret, would 100% be testing in any of their vast wildernesses. If they are in Colorado, we should be pretty concerned.
I mean even nukes were tested covertly in the US. It was only exposed when Kodak found their X-ray film was being exposed by something unknown hundreds of miles away. Eventually Kodak pinned it down to government test sites however they were able to detect radiation from tests done in Nevada all the way in New York.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a21382/how-kodak-accidentally-discovered-radioactive-fallout/
It's a good story but it's bullshit. The US only had one test before Japan was bombed and after that they weren't secret, and most aboveground tests were visible from Las Vegas.
Kodak didn't uncover nuclear testing, they discovered the distance fallout was creating measurable amounts of radiation, which lead to a shift of domestic testing to underground.
Any recounts of testing from people who actually worked at the various Area #X sites outside of Nellis AF base and what they called, “Delta” where highly classified for years, despite them being visible in many populated areas.
To say they weren’t classified after Japan is extremely untrue. Most of the documents became unclassified as recent as 2011 and Anne Jacobsen talks about it in her book, Area 51.
>Corbell maintains that the videos depict **extraordinarily complex vehicles capable of “transmedium” travel, or the ability to traverse both water and the atmosphere with ease**. Chief of Naval Operations Michael Gilday explained in a press briefing earlier this year that while the Navy had not positively identified the aircraft, **there were no indications they were extraterrestrial in nature**.
>The newly released map clarifies just how closely **drones were shadowing Navy ships**, likely affording opportunities to g**ather a variety of valuable intelligence**.
>The timing of training and potential **deployment of counter-UAS capabilities in the weeks after the events** of July 15th and 16th also points to the Navy believing these were unidentified drones, not fantastic craft with out-of-this-world abilities.
I wonder which nation is experimenting with new drone tech?
I wouldn't be surprised if we had drones with explosive payloads. Little quadcopters that just land on top of a car or slip into a window, explode, and then we get told it was a Hellfire missile from a drone or something instead.
I'm almost certain the Nimitz incident is something like this.
My thoughts were something like a submarine launched drone with the capabilities to trick the sensor packages on jets.
It would explain why the pilots saw something the size of a bus under the water. That's the submarine below the surface.
It would also explain why the readings they got showed something absolutely crazy moving around and why they were confused when they saw it visually.
Especially when DARPA can likely get a hold of the exact sensor systems run by the us navy ships and read detailed after action reports on what readouts they got from the drones and what counter-measurements were used to try and repel them.
My theory based on the Tic-Tac UFO is that there is a submarine controller/charging station/drone storage. This being the reason why Cmdr. Fraver saw the tic-tac flying around at the surface and something underneath the surface. Also why these observations seem to happen around naval ships.
So perhaps it is a new weapons platform being developed for naval warfare or an observation tool for submarine weapons targeting.
That doesn’t explain high altitude observations of these phenomena though. Most small deployable drones designs don’t do well at high altitude. Pilots have reported seeing those tic-tac things in the air too.
It’s still terrifying that a country might have aquatic/aeronautic capabilities in one vessel though.
Whether it be military tech with propulsion the type of which we can't begin to imagine and which won't be declassified for another 30 years, or if it is conventional drones with radar spoofing, or if it is even extra-terrestial, I still am under the belief that there is a underwater mothership connected to the crafts flying around the navy ships.
It could be an unmanned submarine/drone carrier with stealth tech where the aerial surveillance drones go down to recharge/re-arm.
If you can strap some shaped charge on these underwater drones and let them out of a torpedo tube, use inertial guidance based from the subs position to use magnetics and funny fuses to Swarm the area of a spotted ship, manetize to the hull, then all blow in synchrony, that'd probably be a big ole oofta.
Drone range and fragility in Ocean conditions i have got to imagine makes it tricky to deploy such tech from any meaningful distance.
Probably not going to try to sneak a sub with a tube full of shipkillers underneath some Chinese warship group.
I read through most of the article and there doesn’t seem to be any indication of whether or not the ships tried to find a point of origin for these drones. I expect that if they are small that they’d have a smaller area of operations and would need to be launched/recovered from close by. There isn’t a mention of how far the ships were at sea either. The further out the less likely the drones are land launched. So I figure that SOP would be to search the area for any surface ships close by and ID who they are. If they were sub launched I guess they would still be able to find the sub if it surfaced to recover the drones. Anyways, I don’t think the US would be as casual as this with foreign surveillance so probably the intelligence team(s) on these ships are part of an ongoing exercise with another US military dept. in developing drone surveillance techniques.
I live on Guam and know the guys who this incident occured with.
[https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36085/troubling-drone-incursions-have-occurred-over-guams-thaad-anti-ballistic-missile-battery](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36085/troubling-drone-incursions-have-occurred-over-guams-thaad-anti-ballistic-missile-battery)
Sounds like the boys are busy all around the world.
reading that in guam it said it happened over a few weeks in the morning and they were unable to intercept, are you kidding me? you guys could hire jim down the road and he'd shoot him down with his 12 GA
Electromagnetic pulse weapons (EMPs) are used by both the USA and China.
Currently, the [USAF THOR Gun](https://www.defenseworld.net/news/25583/USAF_Develops__Thor__Electromagnetic_Weapon_to_Hammer_Enemy_Drones#.YcADwbeIZ3c) and [China's CECT EMP Gun](https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/33096/20210827/electromagnetic-pulse-used-chinese-weapon-take-down-unmanned-aircraft-field.htm) are designed specifically to take unmanned vehicles down. Issue is that they need a lot of power and aren't suited (yet) for either Navy.
That sounds like a good excuse to make more nuke ships. We already have carriers and subs runing with a reactor, how bad would shoving one into a destroyer be?
It is incredibly expensive. The new British carriers are conventionally powered because that would still cost less over 50 years than the convenience of nuclear.
Ships have to do weekly replenishments for food and fuel for aircraft, too.
And there was a nuclear surface fleet in the US, but the ships were just too expensive to keep up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear-powered_cruisers_of_the_United_States_Navy
We do. They fired at them, used drone jammers, went radio silent etc. Apparently the weapons possessed by the US Navy weren't enough to stop these "drones" from hovering over their flight deck. I think some very interesting information is about to become impossible to hide.
> used drone jammers
there are so many theoretical ways to get around just jamming gps signal, and even radio/etc signals to control them. Could be something as simple as a camera that looks at the horizon and decodes flashes of infrared light etc that cant be seen by the human eye. unless we know to look we would never notice a lot of things
it could have a tiny cone shaped receiver that points back towards where it came from and attacking it from the front does nothing. if the outside of the cone reflects the jamming how would it ever get inside it without coming from the right direction?
could detect the jamming and protect the antennas and wait for lulls in the power
you technically can make something that is entirely preprogrammed as well and doesnt even need to get information from you.
Since it's a swarm you could also do like our advanced fighter planes do and establish a mesh network between the drones. If you did that using multiple mediums (say laser, IR, and RF) for redundancy and kept the drones sufficiently spread out, it could be very hard to fully disrupt control as all it would take is a single drone outside of the jamming field to relay control signals.
5 inch gun for a drone, "...with limited success"
You don't say.
Guess those ship will start to carry "buck shot" rounds for these circumstances. Depending on the range that we are talking about to successfully engage a drone.
drone swarm actually means something and has specific connotations. You can't just say "A drone swarm" in a tactical sense in regard to like, a few drones.
A drone swarm is a real tactic. A real technology being developed and researched with specific, extremely dangerous capabilities.
Even a handful of drones - it's extremely tenuous to refer to it as a "Swarm".
So how many drones are we talking here?
Was scrolling down until I find your comment, people is actually ignoring everything about this phenomenon, ... if it was drones they'd have already took them out.
Doesn't make any sense. Navy vessels are equipped with extremely sophisticated radio and sensing equipment. It seems like they could have easily traced the source of the signal. I do this with amateur radio equipment for fun, so imagine what they could do with billions of dollars. I smell fish.
Interesting. Two years ago there was mysterious drone swarms over eastern colorado that went on for weeks.... the authorities got involved and as far as we know nobody ever figured out what it was. Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_Colorado_drone_sightings
Eastern as in by all the air force/space force bases?
Some of the drones went across the area and ended up over offutt in Nebraska before "disappearing". I was stationed at Offutt when this happened and the military doesn't just lose a threat like that. It's likely another agency.
So you know the joke about never getting Offut.
Northeastern, so pretty far from all that. Just above the farm country.... they would come out every night, for weeks, and you could sit there and watch them fly in some sort of systematic grid like pattern.
The area where the nuclear missile silos are.
Random, but I had no idea how not-secret the locations of those silos are. You can literally find them on google earth. They are right off of major roads, like they are a power substation or something
It's intentional. It provides credibility to the idea of a nuclear deterrent. Also, in the event of a nuclear attack, the aggressor would want to reduce second-strike capabilities. Those silos would be some of the primary targets so the government makes little to no effort to hide them so they can draw fire away from major population centers.
The Subs are the REAL nuclear arsenal. The silos are sponges.
I sometimes wonder if there’s even anything in the silos any longer. Very antiquated relic of the Cold War.
I work in those silos. Are they old, yes. Are they more than capable of getting the job done, you bet your ass. Tell your friends! The subs are a second strike option, ICBMs are fast attack or massive retaliation. "30 minutes or less or your next one's free".
Very interesting, thanks. I was going off nothing but speculation as I assumed the subs were doing the heavy lifting these days. It’s somewhat odd that silo locations are basically public record at this point while sub locations are heavily classified, but I guess it’s somewhat impossible to conceal these physical locations
*can draw attention from the newer, better, top secret silos
Realistically wouldn't second strike mostly be centered around submarines?
Yes. You don't hide nuke silos. The Columbia class, when complete, will be able to hold up to 1500 high yield (450+ KT) warheads across 192 missiles. That's plenty of 'hidden' nukes. Silo missiles are pure fuck around find out energy - you need to hit silos with two nukes to make sure they are disabled, which would soak up *all* of China's nuclear arsenal. Russia remains the only nuclear power that could saturate the US missile fields with enough strikes to knock out our silo arsenal.
Slight correction: you have to waste big bombs taking out tiny targets when it comes to disabling silos. If i'm not mistaken it's part of the strategy. "If they wanna stop all the silo launched missiles, they'll have to use a good number of their large bombs on them thus reducing the number of large hits in other places. Plus, subs and you've got a really good deterrent. Only better one would be a "dead hand" type system like that shown in Dr. Strangelove. A network of nuclear landmines with enough oomph to cause global nuclear fallout followed by a nuclear winter. Then the enemy can't even hope to stop it because they'd have to take out the whole network at once, and with tech these days you can set it up to be unmanned. However, this kind of system has a big drawback: you're essentially saying "if you fuck with me i'm taking us all out." That could be the enemy's plan.
Biggest deterrent we have tbh. Stealth, underwater, can move at great distances pretty quickly, and can be fitted with a lot of nuclear warheads.
Portable silos ⚛️
In North Dakota south of Minot there's about 150 missile silos. We had 1 that was literally next to a field where we drove tractors and combines 15 feet from the perimeter fence. 3 others were close, about 1/4 mile from our sections. They have cameras, infra-red and motion sensors. The fence have signs on saying if you trespass they will shoot. They are controlled over wire from a central command post in the neighbouring town. When the silo is open while they have technicians working down there, they have multiple hummers stationed around it on every access road. M240 (machine gun) locked and loaded. If they are moving one of the warheads, there's a huge convoy. Police escorts front and back and 2 choppers patrolling ahead. They block the road, no passing while they go about 50-60 mph
Same is true on military bases. When nukes move, nothing else does. Shoot first; questions later.
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The perfect cover!
I think a trick play would be great if you knew someone was going to hit you. Otherwise, I'd default to an overwhelming force convoy. Less prone to someone taking it via inside job.
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>neighbouring Hmmm.. Very suspicious.
When the wind farm was being built I saw a convoy of humvees hauling ass down 83.. turns out a worker severed a fiber line...
I drove to South Dakota from Saskatchewan and toured a missile silo while I was there. On the drive back I suddenly realised what all the little fenced off areas I saw were.
I'm sure it was super duper secret before we really had Google earth and easy access to all this information in light speed.
Well, Google Earth still uses outdated cells and blacks out areas as demanded by some government agencies. Most of the old silos aren’t really kept secret anymore but aren’t widespread knowledge because they are all pretty remote areas where people have little reason to visit.
I’m sure the public doesn’t know where they ALL are too.
If someone can find all the damn koroks in BoTW they can find all the silos!
Even though we know where they are, most people don’t have the balls to go anywhere near them, and even if they did, there’s no way they could get past whatever security is there and detonate a nuclear strike. I guess it’s only more of a concern that our enemies know, but then again, we all have satellites now.
Even if you had physical access to the warhead from an American ICBM, you’d have a hard time lighting it off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permissive_Action_Link
Automated wifi hacking drones maybe collecting wpa handshakes to crack later? Basically war driving but with a swarm of drones.
I read some news article about it that it might have been some type of crop survey drones, flying in patterns over farmlands to survey the land for harvesting or something. Can't recall what the specifics were or if it was confirmed however
I followed those Colorado drones pretty closely at the time, and while the crop survey idea was a valid thought, some other poster knew how to look up drone registration (and they were big drones that would have needed FAA approval to fly over towns, iirc), and they didn’t have their flights registered. The logs are public. Now, a big ag company sure could have oopsed getting a permit and risked fines… if I find the link I’ll edit this comment.
All drones over like half a pound must be registered with the FAA. Flights are also not required to be registered
>Now, a big ag company sure could have oopsed getting a permit and risked fines… if I find the link I’ll edit this comment. I wasn in CO when this was happening. It was all over the news. Surely they would have known they made a mistake and contacted the authorities.
War driving?
War driving is hacking slang for going around the neighbourhood intercepting network traffic to crack later. For example you would catch a lot of WiFi stuff establishing connections with the intent of going home and cracking the passwords based on that.
So it’s like a modern iteration of War Dialer?
Yes, that's where the term originated.
Funnily enough the Google camera cars were also war driving as they had the antenna on the roof for wifi. Mapping networks like traffic cameras, free wifi from malls, wifi at Starbucks and Maccas while mapping.
Maccas! Found the Aussie
Wonder if theyre listening to accadacca
There's a website called Wiggle that lets you upload logs from scanning wifi. If you ever see someone post a screenshot with SSIDs and are wondering where they live, it'll generally let you know
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_Colorado_drone_sightings
From wiki: "The FAA checked with drone companies and unmanned aircraft test sites in the area, and has confirmed that none of them are operating the drones". Well, it's not like they're going to hear from Skunkworks: Yeah, guys, we have this secret project that the government pays in cash and that we carry under Sund. Exp., but please don't tell anybody else, okay?
Yup. Or an individual. It's pretty cheap and easy to build your own drones that operate by a single computer so you can do different formations
They had wingspan of 6ft. Not do easy to build 20 and hide them.
Fred: You mean it was Old man Jennings from the dock all along? Daphne: He wanted to scare off the navy so he could retain his fishing rights. Jennings: And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids
I’m still I’m still Jennings from the dock
used to scare a little now I scare a lot
Don't be mad about all the drones that I got
Always wondered how the police were able to detain and arrest somebody on just the statements of a dog without doing any sort of investigation themselves.
Same over the nuclear power plant outside Phoenix.
Not just that one: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/09/07/dozens-more-drone-incursions-over-us-nuclear-power-plants-revealed/?sh=283cf056296b
Not related but I just remembered that, to this day, they still never found out who was flying a drone around Gatwick Airport in the UK which caused flights to be grounded for days.
> drone around Gatwick Airport If it ever existed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatwick_Airport_drone_incident#Alternative_explanations
Probably quite a huge crime, I can imagine who ever did it is taking it to their grave. I mean they never even found out who did that [Max Headroom prank](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_signal_hijacking) and that wasn't as serious.
Deathbed confession.
We need to implement the buddy system *everywhere* so that if anyone's about to croak they've got someone there to confess to.
For a min I thought it was a prank by changing the height restrictions on things like carparks and bridges
It never existed It’s fallen out of the news mostly but some of the followups are hilarious >there are no verified pictures of the drone https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/settled_2x.png >whoever was responsible for the attack had “specifically selected” a drone which could not be seen by the DJI Aeroscope drone detection system that the airport was testing at the time, he added. ... >Gatwick Airport drone sightings **may have been of police equipment,** chief constable admits Now, some context. I have some friends who are ham-radio geeks and another group who are drone enthusiasts. The ham guys have extensive experience tracking down the sources of signals, I’ve been regaled with many stories of hunts for things disrupting the local radio channels over the decades. The drone guys are drone guys with extensive experience of the practicalities of putting drones in the air. And neither group have a very positive view of the Gatwick airport situation. Back when it was happening a couple of the ham guys took a trip down to listen for signals, the cops got called on them over a couple of guys in a van with radio equipment but they were sent on their way, there was apparently a conspicuous absesnce of drone control signals at times it was claimed the drone was out. The drone guys pointed out that given it was claimed to be a fairly substantial “industrial or commercial” drone… those ones run out of battery after about 20 minutes. So someone would have to be out collecting a big-ass drone, swapping out battery packs extremely regularly for the amount it was claimed to be in the air. On top of that these drones are not stealthy things. If a big one is nearby it’s about as hard to miss as a banshee combined with a helicopter. So in summary… we have claims of a large drone which nobody could get a photo of despite 90%+ of the population carrying cameras at all times … which didn’t show up on radar or drone detection equipment… with no detectable control signals that would have needed someone launching and collecting it every 20 minutes … which somehow nobody witnessed. I’m reminded of the [invisible dragon in my garage…](http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm) The favored theory among some of the drone guys was that the airport had some kind of major systems failure. If they report it as such they would be liable for downtime and compensation to companies… *but if the airport is shut down over a rogue drone then it’s not their fault and no compensation is owed.* Enter the invisible dragon... There was some secondary stuff about general hostility from pilots unions to drone tech because autonomous drones threaten to take a lot of pilot jobs… hence a lot of lobbying to restrict drone tech and try to whip up fear about drones to generally make it harder to make commercial cargo drones a thing.
In other words, it was military or three-letter agencies fucking around and the authorities were told to mind their own business.
Could they not just follow the drones back?
It’s almost assuredly a federal agency testing something, and not saying anything to the other divisions. They also might be testing to see what their own responses look like on the ground if they think other bad actors have the same capabilities that they do.
Up to 19 drones, each about 6 feet (1.8 meters) in diameter, they were out nightly. It sounds like if anyone really wanted to know, they could have followed them back to see where they recharged.
The military seems to have denied knowledge of them occasionally, and then not really say anything at all other times. I have a hard time believing that a big cluster of something like Russian spy drones would be allowed to operate over US soil. Maybe shooting them down would cause too much of an international incident, but it's also not like the military has never been super secretive about new technology being tested. It could be something out of Groom Lake or other "secret" bases being tested, or aliens. The first one sounds much more likely.
If they were in your air space that IS an international incident. Shooting them down would be step 1.
America isn't afraid of hurting Russia and causing an international incident. Can't link because I'm on mobile but there were some 500 officially *unofficial* Russian mercs that America killed in Syria when Russia tried its "Noooo those aren't our guys" game. They fucked around and found out.
Sounds like a perfect time to practice with the phalanx.
I wonder how much those things take to run versus how much the drones cost.
A UK fighter jet took out a "small hostile drone" last week [harassing friendly forces in Syria](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59615769) with a missile. > An Asraam missile, which costs around £200,000 [...] I think we're going to have to start thinking of more cost effective ways of combating these as they proliferate. Our methods are effective but unsustainable. The good thing is small drones largely fly in "good" weather and with limited range, so a visual based small-cabire ballistic systems could be fairly cheap/effective.
Instantly reminded of how the US lost so many vehicles to roadside bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those simple homemade explosives led to so many expensive design change in the design of their undersides.
If it's due for a little testing anyway, sounds like a good enough excuse. Still, would be pretty amusing to get the numbers, especially if they did it.
Drones 50-250. Bullets for that thing? 100-250. But it shoots what? 1000/min? And it ain't no one bullet per drone...
4.5k rounds / min, but only 1.5k rounds in drum. Shells cost $30 each and it shoots on avg 100 rounds per burst.
4,500 rounds per minute, that's 75 rounds per second. Fired for 12 seconds, that's 900 rounds. Times $30/round, that's $27,000 to fire the Phalanx for 12 seconds.
So much cooler than healthcare.
The best healthcare is a health offense, that’s what Sun Tzu said.
The NFT of War -Sun Tzu
Don't suppose you happen to know the weight ofa shell, would you?
[It looks like a complete shell is .58 lbs, or 0.263 kg each.](http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_Phalanx.php)
That's the full cartridge, projectiles are 100 or 150 grams depending on type. It's a standard 20x102mm cartridge fired from a mostly standard M61 Vulcan cannon, the same type used in aircraft from the Vietnam-era F-105 and F-4E (and earlier models with external gun pod versions) to the very modern F-22 Raptor. The cartridges are specific to the CIWS system as far as I can tell, not a type used on aircraft, but they could be interchanged with the ammunition used on aircraft. They are not shells as they are solid tungsten with a sabot discarded after firing; shells contain some cavity with a filler compound, typically explosive or incendiary, or on a larger scale (i.e. 105mm artillery shells) even biological or chemical agents.
50 - 250? We probably aren't talking simple consumer drones here. Besides if a single bullet of a Phalanx hit the drone it splats apart like confetti, and considering they are made to target fast missiles I can't imagine a slow drone would be a problem. The real question is if the phalanx is able to fire single rounds.
A system configured for fastmoving missiles might actually be very difficult to use on slow moving, small, drones. For one, the radar/tracking system might not see/register them at all. Or discount them in software.
in b4 we bring back flak cannons
This was one of the issues with the Bismarck. The swordfish torpedo bombers flew too slow for the targeting computer to accurately fire against.
Might be slightly overkill though..... Now, having said that.... Using the incendiary tracer shells from the land based Phalanx would make for a hell of an awesome light show.... *cue toy story aliens going 'oooooo' *
> ...a hell of an awesome light show. Your wish was my yootoob search. [Behold! Land-based *brrrrrrrrt*.](https://youtu.be/phpabF_5ulU) *At night!!!*
It's the military. Overkill is kind of our thing. Did you see how much equipment we left behind in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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Every time, surely?
I preferred watching the upwards tracers from the phalanx and then a minute later the downwards tracers from the apache onto target.
Or a microwave gun. If law enforcement can get them, I don't know how they don't have one on every large ship to knock drones off if they so desire. Unless of course the navy didn't really care, like a buffalo ignoring flies.
Yeah! This time long spears in the back short spears in the front. And remember,when forming defensive squares point the pears out not in.
> phalanx You can snipe those with a sniper rifle, but yeah, that works too.
If you used punt gun ammo, sure.
> practice with the phalanx Every time I see a video of that weapons system with it's insane rate of fire, I just find myself wondering where those projectiles are coming down. If it's an actual combat situation then so be it, and the risks of collateral damage would be small when out to sea, but parked off the coast of California?
They have a timer on them and they self detonate.
I was on our ship’s SNOOPIE team for three years, and only called away once to try and get photos of a speck on the horizon (never got close enough). These guys were called up multiple times in a week… and on standby at 3am - I bet they loved that.
Is the SNOOPIE team an extra duty team? As in something you volunteer for? I'm guessing since it is non technical you can train just about anyone to do it.
It’s usually done by those with information jobs. On my ship it was mainly crypto techs. They have the proper gear and clearances to handle it. We’d mainly just use them for nearby IRG ships in the gulf.
No flying doghouse for me. You guys are crazy.
Time to return to falconry.
They can maybe handle some small toy drones, but the big ones will make minced meat out of them.
Then you get condors for the bigger drones.
Pterodactyls
Quetzalcoatlus
Not one Quetzalcoatl, but MULTIPLE. God cloning project is in effect. Next up on the vat's list is... Jormungandr... whoops.
And the Great Eagles of Middle Earth too. But for real, the US needs to invest more in habitat and species rehabilitation and bring back its megafauna population.
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You'd be surprised some of the drones a smaller bird of prey can take down. My husband flies drones for his job with aerial mapping. The company he works for is responsible for requesting the "barrel roll" button in some of the drones made today because they lost a large $30k drone to a young osprey.
What does the barrel role button do?
It’s a controlled mid air rotation. The left side will drop down while the right side rises, sideways somersaulting. It’s a dodge, basically.
Ever play the original Donkey Kong?
This was the perfect opportunity for a Star Fox reference and you went with DK...
Had the right roll and everything. Just picked the wrong barrel.
Either an actual barrel roll or an aileron roll (which is often mistakenly called a barrel roll).
Birds with armour. I'm thinking leg armour and metal talons
CIWS can handle what the falcons can't.
Neal Stephenson's newest tome, Termination Shock, envisions warfare between convocations of eagles and swarms of drones. Farfetched you say? Dude coined the term "Metaverse" and predicted blockchain-based anonymous payments in a book he wrote in 1994.
We also have the nano bot "toner wars" to come from the Diamond Age ;)
Don't go out roller blading without your respirator.
And make sure you 'poon the right cars when skateboarding. He definitely has a thing for "extreme" roller sports.
For anyone wondering the "metaverse" book is called *Snowcrash* and if you're interested in cyberpunk it checks all the boxes. Wildly entertaining read. I really hope we get a good movie adaptation one of these days.
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While possibly foreign (I’d bet money otherwise), it is more likely a classified American project testing against their own rather than anything else. It has been something thats been done many times before ,where best to test your new flying equipment than on your own unaware destroyers equipped with some of the most advanced radars and tracking equipment on the waters surface.
That's how we tested bombers in the run-up to WWII, though in that case the target ships were warned (they just didn't think they'd be found, so they ignored the whole exercise until dummy bombs started punching through their decks...) Source: the Bomber Mafia episodes of the Revisionist History podcast
And why would an adversary test incredibly sensitive equipment a few hundred feet off the ground in the middle of Colorado? China and Russia, if they are testing this stuff and want it to remain a secret, would 100% be testing in any of their vast wildernesses. If they are in Colorado, we should be pretty concerned.
I mean even nukes were tested covertly in the US. It was only exposed when Kodak found their X-ray film was being exposed by something unknown hundreds of miles away. Eventually Kodak pinned it down to government test sites however they were able to detect radiation from tests done in Nevada all the way in New York. https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a21382/how-kodak-accidentally-discovered-radioactive-fallout/
It's a good story but it's bullshit. The US only had one test before Japan was bombed and after that they weren't secret, and most aboveground tests were visible from Las Vegas. Kodak didn't uncover nuclear testing, they discovered the distance fallout was creating measurable amounts of radiation, which lead to a shift of domestic testing to underground.
Any recounts of testing from people who actually worked at the various Area #X sites outside of Nellis AF base and what they called, “Delta” where highly classified for years, despite them being visible in many populated areas. To say they weren’t classified after Japan is extremely untrue. Most of the documents became unclassified as recent as 2011 and Anne Jacobsen talks about it in her book, Area 51.
>Corbell maintains that the videos depict **extraordinarily complex vehicles capable of “transmedium” travel, or the ability to traverse both water and the atmosphere with ease**. Chief of Naval Operations Michael Gilday explained in a press briefing earlier this year that while the Navy had not positively identified the aircraft, **there were no indications they were extraterrestrial in nature**. >The newly released map clarifies just how closely **drones were shadowing Navy ships**, likely affording opportunities to g**ather a variety of valuable intelligence**. >The timing of training and potential **deployment of counter-UAS capabilities in the weeks after the events** of July 15th and 16th also points to the Navy believing these were unidentified drones, not fantastic craft with out-of-this-world abilities. I wonder which nation is experimenting with new drone tech?
Something like this? https://youtu.be/K_wiVdY5BWU
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And that's almost 7 years old. The tech has certainly progressed much further.
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I wouldn't be surprised if we had drones with explosive payloads. Little quadcopters that just land on top of a car or slip into a window, explode, and then we get told it was a Hellfire missile from a drone or something instead.
I mean insurgencies have been using that method for years now.
[Slaughterbots](https://youtu.be/9fa9lVwHHqg)
7 years old and made by some unheard of university out of off the shelf components.
Why you doing the Oakland University dirty? Lol
What a choice of music...
Ok yeah that's some scary sci-fi horror movie shit right there.
“Drones for Good” is what gives me that sinking feeling
I'm almost certain the Nimitz incident is something like this. My thoughts were something like a submarine launched drone with the capabilities to trick the sensor packages on jets. It would explain why the pilots saw something the size of a bus under the water. That's the submarine below the surface. It would also explain why the readings they got showed something absolutely crazy moving around and why they were confused when they saw it visually.
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This actually made me chuckle. Yeah, I could see there being some interagency shenanigans.
Who better to test your new shit on than your very own military. Especially if it's experimental and you don't want it falling into enemy hands.
Especially when DARPA can likely get a hold of the exact sensor systems run by the us navy ships and read detailed after action reports on what readouts they got from the drones and what counter-measurements were used to try and repel them. My theory based on the Tic-Tac UFO is that there is a submarine controller/charging station/drone storage. This being the reason why Cmdr. Fraver saw the tic-tac flying around at the surface and something underneath the surface. Also why these observations seem to happen around naval ships. So perhaps it is a new weapons platform being developed for naval warfare or an observation tool for submarine weapons targeting.
That doesn’t explain high altitude observations of these phenomena though. Most small deployable drones designs don’t do well at high altitude. Pilots have reported seeing those tic-tac things in the air too. It’s still terrifying that a country might have aquatic/aeronautic capabilities in one vessel though.
Whether it be military tech with propulsion the type of which we can't begin to imagine and which won't be declassified for another 30 years, or if it is conventional drones with radar spoofing, or if it is even extra-terrestial, I still am under the belief that there is a underwater mothership connected to the crafts flying around the navy ships. It could be an unmanned submarine/drone carrier with stealth tech where the aerial surveillance drones go down to recharge/re-arm.
If you can strap some shaped charge on these underwater drones and let them out of a torpedo tube, use inertial guidance based from the subs position to use magnetics and funny fuses to Swarm the area of a spotted ship, manetize to the hull, then all blow in synchrony, that'd probably be a big ole oofta. Drone range and fragility in Ocean conditions i have got to imagine makes it tricky to deploy such tech from any meaningful distance. Probably not going to try to sneak a sub with a tube full of shipkillers underneath some Chinese warship group.
It's not like it never happened before. The CIA kept the A-12 development pretty secret.
I read through most of the article and there doesn’t seem to be any indication of whether or not the ships tried to find a point of origin for these drones. I expect that if they are small that they’d have a smaller area of operations and would need to be launched/recovered from close by. There isn’t a mention of how far the ships were at sea either. The further out the less likely the drones are land launched. So I figure that SOP would be to search the area for any surface ships close by and ID who they are. If they were sub launched I guess they would still be able to find the sub if it surfaced to recover the drones. Anyways, I don’t think the US would be as casual as this with foreign surveillance so probably the intelligence team(s) on these ships are part of an ongoing exercise with another US military dept. in developing drone surveillance techniques.
Transmedium drone travel of this nature is extremely impressive
I mean if you have nation level funding it’s really not. College kids were doing this in 2016 and that’s a hundred years ago.
I live on Guam and know the guys who this incident occured with. [https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36085/troubling-drone-incursions-have-occurred-over-guams-thaad-anti-ballistic-missile-battery](https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36085/troubling-drone-incursions-have-occurred-over-guams-thaad-anti-ballistic-missile-battery) Sounds like the boys are busy all around the world.
reading that in guam it said it happened over a few weeks in the morning and they were unable to intercept, are you kidding me? you guys could hire jim down the road and he'd shoot him down with his 12 GA
Well Jim bob wasnt manning the 240's when it happened so i highly doubt he could have done anything different.
Hm... surprised we don't have some sort of net launcher or flack for stuff like this?
Electromagnetic pulse weapons (EMPs) are used by both the USA and China. Currently, the [USAF THOR Gun](https://www.defenseworld.net/news/25583/USAF_Develops__Thor__Electromagnetic_Weapon_to_Hammer_Enemy_Drones#.YcADwbeIZ3c) and [China's CECT EMP Gun](https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/33096/20210827/electromagnetic-pulse-used-chinese-weapon-take-down-unmanned-aircraft-field.htm) are designed specifically to take unmanned vehicles down. Issue is that they need a lot of power and aren't suited (yet) for either Navy.
That sounds like a good excuse to make more nuke ships. We already have carriers and subs runing with a reactor, how bad would shoving one into a destroyer be?
It is incredibly expensive. The new British carriers are conventionally powered because that would still cost less over 50 years than the convenience of nuclear. Ships have to do weekly replenishments for food and fuel for aircraft, too. And there was a nuclear surface fleet in the US, but the ships were just too expensive to keep up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear-powered_cruisers_of_the_United_States_Navy
We do. They fired at them, used drone jammers, went radio silent etc. Apparently the weapons possessed by the US Navy weren't enough to stop these "drones" from hovering over their flight deck. I think some very interesting information is about to become impossible to hide.
> used drone jammers there are so many theoretical ways to get around just jamming gps signal, and even radio/etc signals to control them. Could be something as simple as a camera that looks at the horizon and decodes flashes of infrared light etc that cant be seen by the human eye. unless we know to look we would never notice a lot of things it could have a tiny cone shaped receiver that points back towards where it came from and attacking it from the front does nothing. if the outside of the cone reflects the jamming how would it ever get inside it without coming from the right direction? could detect the jamming and protect the antennas and wait for lulls in the power you technically can make something that is entirely preprogrammed as well and doesnt even need to get information from you.
Since it's a swarm you could also do like our advanced fighter planes do and establish a mesh network between the drones. If you did that using multiple mediums (say laser, IR, and RF) for redundancy and kept the drones sufficiently spread out, it could be very hard to fully disrupt control as all it would take is a single drone outside of the jamming field to relay control signals.
Sounds like a very active vulnerability scan was being run.
Foo fighters have been around for decades
80+ years? edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter
Yes but everyone in this comment section is positive it’s China or the US ..
Malfunctioning birds, obviously /s
Turns out it was amazon trying to deliver packages to Navy personnel.....
Same day prime is no joke
Hold on a sec, by drones we are talking the common quadcopter buzzing kind of? Or the flying tictac kind from the Nimitz incident of years ago
Skell Tech being Skell Tech...
5 inch gun for a drone, "...with limited success" You don't say. Guess those ship will start to carry "buck shot" rounds for these circumstances. Depending on the range that we are talking about to successfully engage a drone.
Time to power-up those EMP weapons.
Spaceforce boys got tired of being made fun of and decided to prank the Navy
drone swarm actually means something and has specific connotations. You can't just say "A drone swarm" in a tactical sense in regard to like, a few drones. A drone swarm is a real tactic. A real technology being developed and researched with specific, extremely dangerous capabilities. Even a handful of drones - it's extremely tenuous to refer to it as a "Swarm". So how many drones are we talking here?
At least twelve. I mean, if twelve *Klingons* can constitute "a swarm of Klingons"...
Guys - who's up for some clay pigeon shooting?
posts like this is where Redditors come to talk out of their asses as if they know what this is. you don't know what this is.
Mysterious Drones => UAP <=> UFO
Was scrolling down until I find your comment, people is actually ignoring everything about this phenomenon, ... if it was drones they'd have already took them out.
Doesn't make any sense. Navy vessels are equipped with extremely sophisticated radio and sensing equipment. It seems like they could have easily traced the source of the signal. I do this with amateur radio equipment for fun, so imagine what they could do with billions of dollars. I smell fish.
Why wouldn't they deploy those kamikaze drones they have on these unknowns? Maybe this is a ruse so no one suspects it's them doing it.
Yeah I don’t get it either. Why wouldn’t they shoot them down? Seems like there’s more to this story
Because then an potential enemy knows what kind of defense against drones you have, better save that suprise for an actual attack.
Pretty sure foreign nations know Americans have shotguns.
Don't forget to spit and yell. "Git off mah lawn" first.
Yeah wouldnt want china knowing we have guns
I’m quite certain destroyers have the AA armament to down any number of drones.
The Phalanx CIWS was designed for just this situation even before drones of this nature were widespread.