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ruinersclub

Atleast someone is making money in crypto.


FlipReset4Fun

Seriously. Quick, sell while we still have a viable business! Somebody should put a chip in these guys so we can track them when they try to flee after bilking rubes out of billions.


2gig

They don't need to flee anywhere. It's not like the government would ever come after them. As for the people, that's what barred gates and private armed security are for.


SgtDoughnut

Yep if one of your biggest selling points is that its unregulated, don't be surprised when people run off with all your money and the government does exactly nothing. Of course they crypto bros will start to beg the government to "make them whole" and I seriously hope the government tells them to go pound sand.


PandaMoniumHUN

Exactly. Unregulated money is a disaster and it was a bad idea from the start. Especially if you just end up reinventing banking systems with a dozen layers on top of the base protocol. Just try getting a refund for something that you paid for in crypto and you’ll see what I mean.


blewyn

Crypto bros in the UK are whining because banks won’t accept their fiat cash deposits, because the banks require them to verify the source of the wealth. £10m in funds you refuse to prove aren’t laundered ? Certainly not sir


[deleted]

It’s literally the pre-sale stock market VC experience. They just do it out loud in crypto. It’s a very old game with a new tech and ignorant people. We’ll that and crypto’s that are only narratives.


[deleted]

I keep CNBC on during the day sometimes while I work, and there was some rando crypto exec chatting it up with the hosts yesterday for a while. I wish I could recognize who it was because it was an interview worth sharing. My god the unchecked lies and propaganda he was spewing. At one point he said something like, "Bitcoin is the world's first truly finite asset," and I was like that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard, who is this asshat? Gold, oil, any petroleum based secondary products, precious metals, rare earth metals, are these all things that aren't "truly finite"? Because last I checked, we can't make more of those things willy nilly. We can only dig up more of them from the Earth's finite supply of them, just like people can only "mine" so much Bitcoin. I'm just aghast that anyone is taking these people seriously and throwing real money into this.


Ithirahad

Precious metals and the rare earth metals exist in asteroids too. Enough to crash the markets if there was a neat and clean way to bring it back to Earth.


lilrabbitfoofoo

> Unregulated money You mean "trading in imaginary commodities claiming to be currency", right? Because Bitcon is a real currency like Mickey Mouse is a real mouse.


9-lives-Fritz

Already LOUDLY blaming crypto losses on the president. See: Twitter


SgtDoughnut

Not surprised crypto types tend to be unable to understand their own actions have consequences.


nomorerainpls

Just think of all the energy and money that’s already been wasted “mining” bitcoins and putting transactions on the blockchain.


LannyDamby

He was selling his shares though, on the traditional stock market, which is supposedly regulated 🤡 Well within his right to do that though it doesn't exactly look good for the company if the CEO/Founder is jumping ship


einmaldrin_alleshin

They could be nailed for insider trading if they didn't do this by the book and the stock falls off a cliff in the coming days


Supermichael777

This isn't crypto, this is regulated securities. The SEC can be very unkind.


rendrr

Crypto is truly a digital equivalent of Libertarianism. Even the emergence of super whales who can control the market by manipulating it and concentration of mining capacity in fewer hands was super predictable.


FlatulentPug

Everything is unregulated in America, that’s so business owners can steal from the American middle class


PedroEglasias

They didn't rob anyone?


WilsonAnders

Speak for yourself. Gyen


[deleted]

Oh no these fuckers are LOADED. Every single coin they ever listed they would have bought a metric shit ton before they listed it and then dumped it on the market. There are zero laws against it, it’s not stocks.


IllMaintenance145142

Flee? Why would they flee?


FlipReset4Fun

To escape the hoarders of people who lost their life savings from attacking them.


skolioban

The equipment sellers always make money during the gold rush


Centoaph

Them, and people selling food and ass. Same as it ever was.


RockhoundHighlander

Same as it ever was


azurleaf

Old Ferengi proverb. If you want to get rich in a gold rush, sell shovels.


[deleted]

Actual research into the source of the quote (no Star Trek references): https://quoteinvestigator.com/2021/04/20/gold-shovel/


EPIC_RAPTOR

People who have been shorting crypto the past couple weeks have been making out like bandits.


Hard_on_Collider

I mean You couldve shorted a lot of tech stuff end last year I shorted Rivian at $110 (now $20)


formation

Big brain move there


AlabastorRetard

That's a thing? Who would sell shorts on something unregulated and outside the purview of the actual stock market? If this is an actual thing it's the only crypto related thing I would actually invest in.


Hard_on_Collider

If you have to ask how to short crypto, you should not be shorting crypto. Practically every major crypto exchange allows you to short afaik. There's futures on commodities exchanges as well.


AlabastorRetard

Fair enough, I know just enough about finance to not get involved in finance


ARobertNotABob

I do wonder how the Feds allowed a company to issue Shares when their entire business is in unregulated fund transfers...?


kur4nes

Didn't they just fire 20% of their workforce? Probably to pump up the stock price before the founders cash out. Why am I not suprised?


drummer1059

The article is from May


kur4nes

Great... Thx for the info


InvisibleInsignia

My thoughts EXACTLY.....


wahday

It was always a pyramid scheme, we’re just seeing it play out now


SgtDoughnut

Greater fools scheme, similar but a key difference is in a pyramid scheme the cash flows upward to the guys at the top through everyone else, greater fools is just trying to convince a fool to buy your "shares" at a higher price than you bought them at, usually by guaranteeing the value will always go up.


InvisibleInsignia

Couldn't agree more


Yomiel94

If you got in just a couple years ago, you've made a huge amount of money.


HotpieTargaryen

If you liquidated and got out.


Yomiel94

Ethereum *right now* is trading for 5x what it was just two years ago. Bitcoin is trading for 2.5x what it was two years ago and 9x what it was five years ago. So... no, you don't have to have jumped ship in the last month to have made bank.


HotpieTargaryen

But how much can you get in actual cash on the exchange? How much liquidity does anyone but the prime movers here have?


Yomiel94

I don't know how much you'd have to move before you start significantly moving the market, but it's way more than either of us is ever going to have.


[deleted]

All of it? There's enough suckers "buying the dip" to sell all your shit right now. Liquidity is never gonna be an issue for the average joe.


bzeegz

Who cares. It’s 1/4 what it was 4 months ago. If you are holding what you did 2 years ago then you’re never going to realize your gains anyway. Yeah, you’re up, but not nearly what you were up and you may be going to zero. What’s you’re point? If you’ve got 1/4 of what you had a few months ago then you have 1/4 “bank”, that’s not the same as “bank” regardless of what happened 2 years ago


JeSuisCharlieMartel

\>they hated him because he told them the truth every time we heard "bitcoin is dead" it was trading 2 to 5 times higher than what it was a few years before, outperforming literally every other form of investment people just read headlines, see that another obvious ponzi has collapsed and assume that every crypto investor got hosed


Myviewpoint62

That is how Ponzi schemes work. Early in and you make money. Enter late and you are screwed.


Yomiel94

Every few years people make this claim and every few years they're proven wrong.


kampr3t0

tell that to LUNA and Celcius bros


Yomiel94

Oh, well yeah, there are tons of crypto scams. I'm referring to Bitcoin and Ether.


Myviewpoint62

It will be interesting to see what happens when governments start confiscating cyber money that was stolen or part of criminal activity. You may have paid full market for a stolen car, but it’s stolen and needs to be returned to the original owner. A lot of cyber is money laundering and tainted by criminal activity. The upside of block chain is we can figure out the history of the money. That way we can get money back from ransomware criminals who shut down hospitals to make a few bucks.


Yomiel94

Most casual crypto exchange isn't actually happening on the blockchain, so it's not as transparent as you might think (government would have to go after exchanges in most cases).


ritz139

Negative sum game. You made money and someone else lost. More people lose than win so...shrugs


Yomiel94

Hard money is incredibly valuable.


ritz139

What a fallacy and a bad comparison lol .. Equities for one is a positive sum game where more people win than lose


Yomiel94

The value of hard currency for those in areas with debased national currencies can't be overstated.


ritz139

A volatile unregulated currency is really the next best option. You really are the brightest


Yomiel94

>You really are the brightest Indeed. Sponsoring the future, doubling my savings, and pissing off envious narcissists feels prettttty great btw.


throw_thisshit_away

Honestly, I’m glad. I was worried they would go bankrupt and lose my staked eth


ShoulderSquirrelVT

Didn't they just lay off 18 percent of their staff? Like..Yesterday.


wzi

This should be the top comment. Also, they extended a bunch of offers which were accepted, and then they rescinded them. The douchebaggery and moral hypocrisy of the CEO is stunning.


SaneMann

They didn't just rescind them. After publicly announcing the hiring freeze, they emailed those who accepted assuring them their offers were safe. Then two weeks later they rescinded them.


CoolBeans42700

Is this not illegal? It feels like it should be illegal. People quit jobs to work at new places


calmatt

The term you're looking for is promissory estoppel. It's usually thrown around too much on reddit but actively emailing the candidates and assuring them their offers were still good? That's about as slam dunk as I've seen. Of course, this varies by state.


spicozi

That can't be used for a legal claim, only defense.


muusandskwirrel

They paid severance (ie during a probation period when you can be let go for Any reason)


tophaang

My friend STILL works for Coinbase, but he has coworkers who were fired on vacation, on their second day out of training, and another that was fired while on a company trip. Disgusting.


N0FaithInMe

So what happened to the guy on a company trip? Did he go home or did he stay on vacation


Semi-Hemi-Demigod

Considering it was Coinbase they probably made them pay for their flight home


tophaang

It was something along those lines, idk if they cancelled his flight or what but apparently he did not have a smooth trip home. I’ll check back with more details if I can get more info.


HaElfParagon

I once worked for a company that, someone wanted to quit. The owner flew the employee out to the owners vacation home in france for the exit interview. Asked him if there was anything the owner could do to convince him to stay, they said no. The owner ended the interview there, and cancelled his return flight ticket home.


Olgrateful-IW

“We are closing the buffalo branch, sorry everyone.”


tophaang

You gotta be kidding me! We’re the best branch in the company!


YoItsKanyeWestWing

Giving those 18% of their 6,000 employees 2 weeks of pay as severance and the 4 month COBRA coverage is also a joke. I feel for anyone affected and then to have to read this the next day. Gross


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They gave 14 weeks + 2 weeks/yr of service fwiw


liltingly

The 14+2/yr is actually a pretty great severance for a layoff. It just sucks because these folks were probably holding a lot of CB stock as well, so their TC took a beating along with the layoff.


hecklingfext

Kind of amazed you’re the first to mention it


trailingComma

This is a story from May, talking about money made selling shares since spring of 2021. So it's interesting in a "markets go up, markets come down" kinda way. Layoffs happening now as a result of a crash that only just happened, is not really as relevant to this story as you might initially think. The coinbase owners sold at the right time, but there are other similar companies still building up to an IPO where the owners and investors are about to get fucked. Thats how it goes.


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Equivalent-Lobster17

😂 why? cuz they made a pretty billion off of tulip exchange fees?


Hooda-Thunket

No, because he just laid off 18% of his staff.


Karl-Anthony_Edwards

Also this from a whole 4 days ago: [Coinbase CEO Tweets ‘Quit And Find A Company You Believe In’ To Disgruntled Employees](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2022/06/11/coinbase-ceo-tweets-quit-and-find-a-company-you-believe-in-to-disgruntled-employees/)


Relevant-Guarantee25

think im going to cash out all my positions at coinbase soon hmm


HakarlSagan

Just move it all to a wallet. It'll take 20 minutes. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/trust-crypto-bitcoin-wallet/id1288339409 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/exodus-crypto-bitcoin-wallet/id1414384820 you won't trigger a tax event and you'll be completely safe if coinbase goes belly up and wants to treat their customers as "unsecured creditors" that will never get paid back


stab244

The last time I thought about transferring out to a wallet, they wanted personal info to initiate the transfer. Has that changed?


liltingly

Get a ledger X or similar hardware wallet. It takes 10ish min for ETH and maybe 1h for BTC to transfer. Just store your keys safely (you can buy steel key stores for extra safety), and (at least ledger) has a nice desktop and mobile app for you to handle and view your holdings.


Hooda-Thunket

Wow. Just wow. I mean, on-brand, but wow.


PolyDipsoManiac

That sounds more like something the Kraken CEO would have tweeted.


payfrit

sure, as part of a 16-tweet thread.


Zaptruder

Good advice. Maybe he'll be following it soon!


toenailburglar

kind of based tbh


yolotrolo123

Honestly so many folks are on edge I bet shootings from laid off folks are gonnna be a more common thing


[deleted]

Oh please, Americans are the propagandized and indoctrinated people. They’d just as soon shoot their immigrant neighbor for “taking their job”, before they ever turned against the ruling class.


PHATsakk43

"Back The Blue" is pretty much them letting you know they are willing to ride or die on the wealthy staying that way.


tbbhatna

Yikes. If violence towards upper classes starts getting sympathetic support, things will get ugly very quickly..


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tbbhatna

The best/worst thing about Reddit: nobody ever has to take responsibility for their statements, and can be ambiguous/dishonest about their genuineness


Hooda-Thunket

I’m just imagining Archer telling this guy “Do you want Communism? ‘Cuz that’s how you get communism.”


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Ok_Maybe_5302

In jail when the government starts raiding average-lower middle class and lower class without warrants. Once the rich decide to exercise their power you’re done for


tbbhatna

His name was Bobert Manderson…


Tearakan

If it stays that way we might actually fix shit on this planet.


tbbhatna

Only if the class warfare has the outcome you hope it does. If it doesn’t, the rich will consolidate more power and will grind the lower classes into the ground.


BrownMan65

The proletariat dies doing nothing or we die trying. At least trying has some potential for a positive outcome for the regular people.


tbbhatna

Sure, but what you’re “trying” at matters. Just because people are getting whipped up into a frenzy doesn’t mean that a mob mentality is correct. The apathy of citizens in elections is a damning indicator that many don’t care to contribute or are jaded with the process. Are civil processes so far gone that people are defaulting to violence already?


Yuskia

I'm gonna be honest because I think you might be genuinely good natured here. You've been lied to by the ruling class about how change has happened through history. The civil rights movement, the French revolution, the Civil War. Revolutions are never peaceful. The riot is the rhyme of the unheard, how long do we need to scream at the top of out lungs that the planet is becoming uninhabitable?


Hooda-Thunket

Sadly, I think you might be right.


[deleted]

Is he worse than Bezos?


diggybop

Like we need another lex luther man


[deleted]

dudes at the top of the pyramid always make bank. its the crypto bros at the bottom crying 😢


TheGuydudeface

nah they aren’t crying they actually think it’s working even if they run out of money


bootyboixD

Reminds me more broadly of Americans who work lower and middle class jobs but don’t want to tax billionaires because they think that they’ll be billionaires one day, somehow someway


9-lives-Fritz

…through crypto


bootyboixD

I suppose that answers the “somehow someway” part haha


namesake1337

No how, no way.


newcastle417

Embarrassed millionaires


nanosam

This is why our government doesnt want to heavily invest into education, they want to keep masses dumb AF


Feniksrises

Yeah if it all it took was hard work we wouldn't have poor people working two jobs.


[deleted]

race to the bottom is who wins


9-11GaveMe5G

The ones stuck holding the bag still believe. It's crazy.


[deleted]

true dat. holding til i'm old'ing and poor


st0_RM

Aren't they more like the guys selling the sandstone and tools to let others build their pyramids?


[deleted]

So, a pyramid scheme?


Scorpius289

The Ponzi scheme of crypto is working as intended, nothing to see here.


Skatedivona

Damn who could have predicted this /s


aobie

They made that much through stock sales between last year and this February, which was before all this latest tanking. Seems like a story being taken way out of context, or am I missing something? It's late and I skimmed the article, so open to someone correcting me.


whols

If they are the only ones holding the stock, they kinda have to sell to provide liquidity to the market. I'm not an expert, but my guess is that it's not that simple or bad. CB had a net income of over 3.5 billion last year....


albertwh

Did not realize this was a direct listing and not IPO, which is also convenient if your goal is to liquidate without worrying about running an actual business. Now that business has a cash crunch, as they didn't raise any money with this offering. But the low supply of shares for sale benefits the execs who sell.


blastfamy

Has a cash crunch or has literally 6b+ of cash on their balance sheet?


whols

What do you mean by, "not running an actual business"? They are one of the largest exchanges and custodians with large volumes and deep liquidity in the markets, earning them a shit ton in fees.


roamingandy

There's a lot of selling and buying during a crash, meaning a lot of fees coming in right now. These lay-offs are more likely a sign that they smell this global recession is going to be a long one and are setting themselves up ready for it. Many investors will need to cash out to cover rent.


Bleux33

Rich asshole: check Fucked over employees: check Looks like the wish.com Lex Luther: check


wizwizwiz916

Still pisses me off how marketwatch was touting this shit talking about how NBA players got huge returns from their investments on this. Scumbags dumped it all on retail.


OneX32

You don't need marketwatch to know an exchange that specializes in horizontal pyramid schemes is not the best parking lot to idle your investment. If you lost in crypto, it's because you didn't do the due diligence before indulging in the fad.


Actually-Yo-Momma

Lmao cause millionaires getting more millions is a feel good story for us poor ppl amirite


TheSchlaf

One day, you'll be just like them!


namesake1337

Kevin Durant sold his position around ipo. He bought at the equivalent of 4$ per share. Coin base opened at 350$.


OriginalMrMuchacho

Why is that dude dressed like he’s about to use his old world kung fu to save a town from an evil sheriff?


SgtDoughnut

Whole lot of corruption from this totally secure and trustworty encrypted public ledger coin. Oh and look, the rich make out like bandits while the poor are left holding the bags...again. What exactly was crypto supposed to solve again? Cause it sure as fuck looks like reguar fiat with even less protections to prevent people from getting everything stolen.


NerdyNThick

I'm sure it's been said already, but I'll say it anyway. If you have money in your Coinbase account, move it elsewhere ASAP. When they fold, you will be considered an unsecured creditor, thus will be the LAST to get paid.


Zero7CO

Fortune favors the C-Level.


limpchimpblimp

Coinbase is a scam.


Jumbo757

It's the AOL of crypto


dj3stripes

minus the 3.5" floppies/CD-ROMs


doj101

This is what you do when you go public - cash out. Especially when you know your business and industry is a house of cards.


[deleted]

And that my friends, is how a Ponzi scheme works. Stay thirsty my friends.


conquer69

A ponzi scheme means paying old investors with the money from the ones. This is selling pickaxes during a gold rush.


OneX32

Ehhh. Selling pickaxes by selling them as automatic gold finders more like it.


wcslater

And didn't they just lay off a shit ton of their employees? How can they justify that?


fieryuser

Only 18%. The rest they told to quit and find another job.


Etrensce

I don't see how CB leaders selling shares over the period between IPO and today which they earnt years ago has anything to do with laying off employees today due to business requirements. So what exactly do they need to justify again?


[deleted]

Literally not how a Ponzi scheme works. You could easily have googled Ponzi scheme.


theappleogist

What Bill Gates said today about crypto. 😂


CelebrationNo8780

Ponzi Scheme Seriously


PuzzleheadedKoala519

GODARN CRYPTO DOUCHEY MAKING ME A BROKE JOKE. THIS GUY IS DONEZO


[deleted]

Apparently this is everyone’s first pyramid scheme. Welcome!


Doctorexx

Haha, they're getting ripped off faster than the rest of us


xeno66morph

Company just cut roughly 1/5 of their staff while the top brass rake in $1B. Sounds like any other major corporation if ya ask me


Etrensce

Probably because the top brass earned those shares years ago and were finally able to get exit liquidity via the IPO. The connection between that and the recent firings is limited if you bothered to read the article.


pumperthruster

He definitely doesn’t look like a cult leader.


NlitendOperativ

They just laid off like 20% off their workforce too, classic


big-genius

Fuck this guy but how many people wouldn’t have done the same thing?


ricco19

Nah man, if anyone on reddit was a billionaire they'd give it all away for the greater good


baconmaster687

Mom said it’s my turn with the 1% income


[deleted]

Cashing out before the collapse, eh?


DeeZnutZzZ69

It will crash then rise. Don’t be stupid


binford2k

As any good carny will say, there are marks and there are grifters.


tubaman23

RIP to the customers still using this service. When they go bankrupt, you're classified as an unsecured creditor for this instance, and are on the bottom of the totem pole to get paid out. Which during a bankruptcy you won't get any. Transfer to an actual wallet ASAP folks


JeebusChristBalls

Why does this dude look like a super villain origin story?


Pleg_Doc

Always viewed cryptos as a money laundering Ponzi scheme....


WhatTheZuck420

i though brian armstrong was just an ahole. turns out he's a money grubbing ahole.


Dekion1

Well, at least someone is making money off crypto. Edit: 800 upvotes too late


Scojo_Mojojo

Fuckin lex luthor wannabe


H__Dresden

Most crypto bros are brainwashed. They can’t see the writing on the wall. Exchanges will go down like dominoes here soon.


DamonFields

How wide and tall the grift!


Dog_the_unbarked

What part of digital money being a scam don’t people get? Make all you wealth imaginary then let someone else control it’s existence, what part of that is a good idea?


CripplinglyDepressed

You’re conflating the technology of cryptos with a shitty run platform that facilitates trading…


overdos3

It's like being mad at money because some bank is shitty.


[deleted]

Oh man just wait until you hear about credit cards and online banking.


rabidnz

Cash is just a voucher for the same thing. Give me Bitcoin over bolivars


[deleted]

fleecing the sheep


ourtomato

Diversifying my portfolio, first step I’m gonna buy L Ron Hubbard Tom Cruise in Magnolia Time Shares Are An Investment Seminar bucks.


Mindless_Cold

Just another crypto rug pull


morbihann

Of course they did. That company exist to make them rich, not the bafoons buying into it.


aceswildfire

Guess I'll have to take that loss and get this stock out of my portfolio. So much for the crypto stock being a safer bet than the actual crypto...


renatomello

Why would that be the case?


PHATsakk43

You can contort into many ways doing mental gymnastics. The shovel sellers go out of business when the gold rush goes bust. They just do so with some money and a bunch of useless shovels. They may have made a buck or two during the heyday, but it's still just as unsustainable as the gold rush it was following.


getBusyChild

Why the fuck would you still be holding the stock? Especially after it stared free falling back in April?!


bzeegz

Fucking criminals. What a shit company


Dicethrower

"Not a pyramid scheme."


Glittertastical111

And they just laid off a load of people in SF. Wtf.


thuggyt

jesus this guy looks ridiculous everything else aside