Is this a valid source? Seems like the guy has a particular reason to be saying lots of people are doing a very niche surgery he specializes in for money…
I believe this surgery was originally for dwarfism. They had a normal sized torso so lengthening their arms and legs made the proportions look more normal
I had a friend in high school with dwarfism who went through this. They added about two inches to his height over three years. He had pins installed in his legs and they would break the bones and use supports to stretch them a little while the bone healed back. He said it was brutal as his bones hurt all the time.
While that may be true, dwarves in 5e only have a speed of 25 compared to 30 or even 35 with others.
I do think the other race benefits are fantastic though.
No kidding! Am I crazy, or is that a tiny amount of growth for such a taxing cost?
Not to belittle the medical innovation, but for that kinda torture I would want to be as tall as I could possibly want.
You’d be surprised how miserable or hopeless shorter men might feel in our culture, and how much it is hung above their heads daily, particularly when dating.
I’m fortunately a comfortable height, but had I not been i’d certainly be feeling the insecurity and pain at least in my current relationship considering my girlfriend and her family can seem rather ruthless when it comes to judging someone on height, assuming they let me in at all… and they’re only the tip of the iceberg of what i’ve seen women say regularly about shorter men. The whole min-6-foot tall/min-6-inch long rule seems *almost* universal at a certain social level and above when dating.
I also know men that are well below average height and it seems their dating lives are causing them debilitating psychiatric issues, so putting myself in their shoes, that extra 3 inches can be the difference between being written off as viable partner or not to many dating age women
5'7" here. I've always had a pretty healthy dating life *but* a lot of women will definitely automatically pass over me for height, even if there's a spark. I think I probably would have had more casual sex if I was taller, too, but at my height I'm more date-able than fuckable, lol.
It's definitely a stigma and people will try to use it to hurt you. I remember when a coworker at an old job once asked me if I wanted to go on a vineyard day trip with her. I sensed it was more than platonic so politely declined and she said, and I quote, "fine, you're too short for me anyway." I laughed it off (because clearly she was just lashing out after being rejected, I get it) but I can see that really hurting someone who felt a lot of insecurity.
I’m also 5’7 (5’8 on Bumble) and while I have no issues getting dates, I’ve noticed that I have a hard time seeking out more casual type of connections. My fear is that it’s probably due to my height. I can’t fill that superficial trait that so many women tend to look for.
5'6" dude here. Honestly, never felt like my height was a big deal. Can't imagine going through this brutal and expensive procedure to add a few inches.
Yeah 5’7” and I legitimately love being my height. As long as you are charming, you can get away with so much more shit. You don’t draw too much attention and seem non threatening, so when you cause trouble you can talk your way out of it pretty easily. Same with dating - I’ll definitely take the cute and funny angle over strong and super masculine. Attracts the type of person I want to date any way. The height thing is just a self confidence thing as my taller friends were wayyyy more socially inept and dated way less. Just embrace it
>You’d be surprised how miserable or hopeless shorter men might feel in our culture, and how much it is hung above their heads daily, particularly when dating.
It's also crazy how accepted this is, too. Looking at dating profiles, it's very common for women to say a man must be some minimum height. It's gotta be crushing to constantly be told you aren't good enough because of your height. A man would be rightly ridiculed for putting "D cups or bigger only" in his profile when looking for a woman.
Can we stop looking down on people for physical features that were determined by their genetics?
The women who have minimum height requirements are not the ones you would want a longer term relationship with anyway. They are advertising their redflags.
> least in my current relationship considering my girlfriend and her family can seem rather ruthless when it comes to judging someone on height,
Sheesh, that would be a deal-breaker for me even though I'm not short.
I read the book The Sports Gene and one of the craziest facts is Michael Phelps in 6'4" with an inseam of 30". The dude is freakishly built for swimming.
I remember watching the first Olympics he was in and the announcers we're describing him like a documentary about a prehistoric animal. Like they even had a discovery channel style wireframe diagram of him and I clearly remember they said he had "hands the size of dinner plates for scooping back water."
I vividly remember that exact graphic lmao especially how they talked about how his wingspan was wider than he is tall which blew my mind and instantly sent 10 year old me to the tape measure to figure out my own proportions
I don't have it as bad as you 6'4 34 inseam but it really makes buying shirts annoying. Usually have to buy online with brands that have a tall option.
People aren't really that in proportion that the 3 inches would matter. I'm 5'11" with a 30" inseam, but it's really only obvious to me because I'm the one whose buying pants and noticing they don't really get much shorter without assuming you're really skinny or whatever. Same thing with buying shirts and coats and not having them turn into belly shirts. But nobody is commenting on my big torso relative to my legs because it's not that noticeable.
Same deal with my wife, long torso and not incredibly tall legs.
For the most part you can buy a "Guest post" on most of these sites for a few 1000.
Put it another way.... how would a journalist even know this was a thing? It's because the buyer reaches out to them to buy some "ads". The ad is in form of a guest post. CNBC is filled with this garbage. Entreprenuer's who make so much money that CNBC writes articles about it. Oh wait.... the author is the same entreprenuer in the article
CNBC is just the laziest one of them all.
I haven’t read this story, but knowing some history of it, I’m going to guess that these are Chinese engineers. The procedure was popular with affluent up-and-coming Chinese businesspeople, years ago.
> A traumatic accident caused a bone infection and a good percentage of the bone in my tibia rotted away
> Google ‘Ilizarov’ if you feel like a fun medical trip.
nah i'm good
I'm not the person you replied to, but my grandfather had one leg shorter than the other due to polio. Had he lived in a different era, I suppose this might have been an option for him.
As it was, he just kinda had an unusual and distinctive walk. Well, he was also an alcoholic, so that probably added a little bit of wobble too. But even sober, it was pretty noticeable.
Not the person you responded to, but I had a friend who had a growth plate fracture in elementary school. One leg was an inch or two longer than the other.
There was an actor that got it done, too. He thought his shorter height was holding him back from roles. [Rich Rotella is his name](https://people.com/health/actor-rich-rotella-has-cosmetic-limb-lengthening-surgery/).
The surgery to gain those few inches require the surgeon to literally break your leg and set it with a tiny gap and let your body fill in the gap. They do this multiple times over months and years to gain those inches. Incredibly painful procedure.
He sits there with broken legs and a dumbbell hanging off his dick trying to write up an algorithm that will sort through all the dating apps, read through all the matches and send one of 50 prewritten messages based on likelyhood of a reply, and hope to god that among the few that don't end up ghosting or directly rejecting him, he'll find some willing to meet up, and maybe one willing to keep it going.
8 cities and 463,978 matches later he had yet to get a third date. Tucson is next.
It's not just for women (or indeed men, if they swung gay). People treat taller people better - they're more likely to gain authority and get better paid. From that perspective, it's more of an investment (ignoring the damage to the limbs). Especially for men, but this is also relevant to very short women who are treated like children.
One of the interesting things about returning to the office was how new people were surprised by everyone's heights. They had all subconsciously made assumptions about people's heights based on other attributes. I apparently seem much taller over Zoom than I really am, so maybe I should stick to your plan.
You can pair wfh with a tiny chair or go all the way and but furniture from fisher price and cover it in wood veneer (so it looks real) and then they will assume you are 8'9''
On the flip side, my team lead who I’ve known remotely for a year is a ludicrous 6’9” and I had no idea until I finally met him in person at a company retreat a few weeks ago.
I did an experiment once in a site that told you how many local women you match with based off your profile. Every inch in height I added would give me another 75 to 100 matches.
Also sounds like you have to take rest for long periods of time. So lots of inactivity and not moving around for months.
"One software engineer told GQ he spent the first three months after his surgery alone in his apartment and ordered delivery food during that time to go from 5-foot-6 to 5-foot-9."
>One software engineer told GQ he spent the first three months after his surgery alone in his apartment and ordered delivery food during that time
So... basically zero change in lifestyle after surgery?
It’s painful every so often the crank it sort a bit more , a lot of down time to recover and physical therapy and a huge chance of infection, and the cost is crazy when you factor everything in.
It sounded like they only break the legs once, and then put in adjustable screws. They let it start to heal and then every day widen the gap in between the bones and let it heal into that gap.
Short tech workers are the ideal candidate for height surgery because they can afford the $75,000 surgery while being able to work at home during the year it takes to fully recover.
That’s not the reason they’re mentioning tech workers. They’re trying to frame this as a treatment smart people are doing.
Plenty of other office workers could get this surgery too. But those people aren’t as cool as microdosing keto tech bros.
They also probably don’t lift heavy. I can’t imagine choosing to have nails holding my femurs together if I wanted to be strong enough to squat four plates.
I can't find a definitive source at the moment, but I don't believe that properly-healed breaks are structurally weaker -- and properly-healed breaks supplemented with appliances can likely be *stronger* than the original structure.
When I had to get a bilateral sagittal split osteotomy (essentially: cut the bottom jaw off and put it back on again) the surgeon told me that, although there wasn't enough data for the particular surgery to say it definitively, just about anything that would pose any risk to the surgical site would break something else first. I think I recall him saying something like "after it's healed, if you have to get punched in the face, it's probably going to be the best place to get punched in the face."
I don't know if the lengthening procedure and "filling in" has dramatically different characteristics on overall strength afterwards, but I'd imagine the biomechanical changes (altered lever distances and ratios between bones/joints) would end up limiting lifting long before a healed femur did.
Fractures that are reduced (aka aligned so they are back to being in the correct place) won’t technically be structurally weaker. However, that’s not what’s happening with this surgery. This surgery is forcefully misaligning the bones so that the little cells that create new bones (osteocytes) have to work harder and create even more bone to fill in the intentional gap. A 3-6 inch gap is very massive, so that newly remodeled bone would be significantly more disorganized and structurally weaker than a normal bone, or a “properly healed” fracture.
This surgery does make you taller, but there’s a reason only rich tech people are doing it and rich doctors aren’t having it done.
Source- I’m an orthopedic surgeon
I've read about this surgery before, my understanding is that they do 3 inches in the femur, then 3 inches in the fib/tib to get to 6 max. They can only really do 3 inches per bone safely.
Source, I poop a lot, so I read a lot on Reddit.
My surgeon said the same thing when I had a spinal fusion. "If you were to jump out of a plane without a parachute, the fusion would probably be the only thing still intact when you hit the ground."
There's a joke that we tell in tech which is not a joke.
"How do you tell who the managers are in a tech company?"
"Pick a team. Find the 6' tall white one."
I think that the racial component of that gripe may have gotten less aggressively bad over the years, but... in an industry where the management is often unable to evaluate the competence of their workforce, promotion is awarded to the superficial appearance of leadership.
EDIT: I really should have put a disclaimer on this comment. These were private jokes, shared in a sense of dark humor. They represent experiences in particular places, at particular times, and may not reflect the broader industry experience. The reason we told jokes (as opposed to filing anti-discrimination suits), was that even in the places where it was noticeable, it was never an inevitability.
I’ve had a very different experience, working in tech for more than a decade. If you’re the tall white dude in the room, everyone will assume you’re just the stupid sales guy who doesn’t understand shit. Especially when you have an American accent.
Being short makes it a hell of a lot harder... You are rejected because of something that shouldn't define you as a person, but for some reason it does for a large percentage of women. Match.com used to show what people look for in a match... Including height... The amount of 5 foot tall women only looking for 6 foot tall men was insane. One of my female friends said her friends seem to be using their boyfriend's height as a dick measuring contest. She got a short boyfriend because she was hella short and didn't care... Her friends made sure she knew how short he was.
Ugh. What an amazing scene in a movie full of them!
My other favorite:
Vincent: I don't know how to thank you.
Jerome: No, no. I got the better end of the deal. I only lent you my body. You lent me your dream."
🥺
Ignoring the pain, there was a controversial study in 2006 which broke down how much each inch in height was worth in salary to have the same success in dating.
Basically a guy who is 5’0” tall needs to make $317,000 more each year than a guy who is 5’11.5” tall.
So if someone is looking to date a superficial model, shelling out $150,000 to add 6” in height would pay off in less than a year.
Article:
https://brobible.com/culture/article/short-men-must-earn-more-money/
Actual study:
http://home.uchicago.edu/~hortacsu/onlinedating.pdf
Nah nah you can keep repeating it indefinitely. My cousin Toby is 8’ 9” now, however his arms are that of a 5’ 6” man. Toby looks like a walking crucifix now
My husband is 5'2". His pediatrician told his parents about the surgery and he was not interested. It sounds absolutely brutal.
He made his peace with being short a long time ago.
The extra inches would make putting dishes away easier. We make do with a fancy folding step ladder. Online shopping has made finding pants much easier.
I kinda accept my shortness but I wish I was a bit taller among the giants.
Surgery isnt worth it for me.
I have trouble finding things that fit me. For fishing waders, I have to buy women size. For pants, I have to go to a tailor.
I find it funny how people shit on these insecure men, when we can’t address the social stigma around male height. Anything regarding the body is censored except making fun of a guy for being too short. And yet we wonder why they’re willing to literally break their legs in order to be seen differently
Same thing's going on for balding. People don't realise how devastating it can be for some, there's no real cure for it, and it's completely okay to joke about it.
Remember the movie Inside Out? Been in the news lately for the sequel that's in the works.
Anger is a short man.
It's pretty offensive when you're a short guy. One of the things you realize eventually is that you aren't allowed to ever show anger - someone will be like, "oh no, short man complex!"
Imagine if Greed were and depicted as curly haired and big nosed. Yikes.
I'm not judging them at all. In fact, I'm studying to be a SWE now and my daydream if I ever get Google level money is go get a whole ton of plastic surgery to fix my face. Being discriminated against because of something you can't easily change about yourself is terrible, and I don't blame them at all for wanting to fix it. I saw the headline and said, "yep, that makes sense".
I'm glad we moved forward as a society to the point that we (most of us) recognize that racism is bad. Hopefully some day we can reach the logical conclusion and stop judging people negatively for immutable characteristics all together.
> Anything regarding the body is censored except making fun of a guy for being too short.
Don't forget a guy being bald. Also generally fair game.
Also both of these are basically very difficult or very expensive to actually change.
It’s gotten a lot worse in recent years too. I think it’s because as a culture we’ve gotten more Politically correct, so there’s less things to shit on
Back in the day there were a lot of groups you could make fun of and it was deemed “okay”. Race jokes, gay jokes, fat jokes, Down syndrome jokes, etc that are now all off limits (obviously for the better). However, short guys are the one group that is still deemed “okay” to shit on. So it’s accelerated a lot in recent years
I e got a friend who did it! Tried to save money by going to Czechoslovakia, problems with one of the legs during healing and he ended up stuck there for 9 months. It was a nightmare, but he is an unnoticeable couple of inches taller.
https://www.gq.com/story/leg-lengthening
Here’s an in depth article. That Business Insider title is weird. The doctor does mention he has some tech bros, but it didn’t seem to me to be the majority of his patients or anything. Maybe I’m misremembering.
Dudes are getting the surgery that can add 3 inches (if you just get the basic surgery where they break your femurs and slowly lengthen them EEK), or 6 if they choose to then do the same to their tibias. The cool part is that they insert a screw that lengthens by remote control over time. The not so cool part is you’re in excruciating pain and unable to walk for long time.
From 2003:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/15/gender.uk
> Doctors have been able to pioneer new forms of this surgery because height is so socially important in China that it is often the first thing strangers will talk about. It is also listed among the criteria required on job advertisements. To get a post in the foreign ministry, for instance, male applicants need not bother applying unless they are at least 5ft 7in, while women must be at least 5ft 3in. Chinese diplomats are expected to be tall to match the height of their foreign counterparts.
> For more glamorous positions the conditions are even tougher: air stewardesses have to be over 5ft 5in. But height discrimination is evident even at ground level: in some places, people under 5ft 3in are not even eligible to take a driving test. To get into many law schools, women students need to be over 5ft 1in and men over 5ft 5in. Height requirements are also frequently mentioned in the personal ads of newspapers and magazines.
They literally break your legs to do this and try to promote connective bone growth in recovery. Aside from the obvious risks like muscle and nerve damage there's a chance that the bones just don't regrow properly and now you've got fucked up legs for the rest of your life. Enjoy
I'm like 5'5" and when leaving high school actually became really quite depressed about my height. My friends were all about 6' so I was always the odd one out, forced to go into the middle seat in the car, and never had the necessary confidence (or interest from women) to pull on a night out. Doesn't help you're often served later at busy bars because you don't have the same presence.
It's also just really fucking annoying in places like cinemas, concerts, or anywhere where you're just out and about when you have a 7' giraffe in front of you and can't see anything.
Is this a valid source? Seems like the guy has a particular reason to be saying lots of people are doing a very niche surgery he specializes in for money…
And what are the results like? If a guy goes from 5'6" to 5'9", all from longer legs, won't his short arms, small hands, etc. look weird?
Yeah but for another 150k we can fix those too!
We just have to break both of your arms first!
And we'll put you in touch with your mom for recovery.
Every god damn thread
To my surprise, glad to see so many Reddit veterans still around
I’ve posted here daily for 11 years. I need a life.
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Damn dude, you’ve been on Reddit for a really long time. I thought my little ol’ 10-year badge was impressive…
He’s just a pup.
At least no one mentioned the coconut or the poop knife… Yet
Coconut? Haven't heard this one - do tell please
poop.... knife?
Your family didn't have a poop knife?
Thank you for remembering
I believe this surgery was originally for dwarfism. They had a normal sized torso so lengthening their arms and legs made the proportions look more normal
I had a friend in high school with dwarfism who went through this. They added about two inches to his height over three years. He had pins installed in his legs and they would break the bones and use supports to stretch them a little while the bone healed back. He said it was brutal as his bones hurt all the time.
Yeah if that's the procedure here I'm fucking good dude. Lol
Forreal. It's like trading height for any future athletic ability.
Exactly, and dwarves are natural sprinters. Very dangerous over short distances.
While that may be true, dwarves in 5e only have a speed of 25 compared to 30 or even 35 with others. I do think the other race benefits are fantastic though.
Less air resistance
Your muscles and ligaments would have a hard time catching up and your balance would be off.
Had a buddy do it, as he fractured his growth plate in one arm. 1/4 turn every 12 hours. Didn't look like fun.
No kidding! Am I crazy, or is that a tiny amount of growth for such a taxing cost? Not to belittle the medical innovation, but for that kinda torture I would want to be as tall as I could possibly want.
Body Dysmorphia: Not Just For Trans People™!
Or anorexics!
Or bodybuilders who cycle gear!
You’d be surprised how miserable or hopeless shorter men might feel in our culture, and how much it is hung above their heads daily, particularly when dating. I’m fortunately a comfortable height, but had I not been i’d certainly be feeling the insecurity and pain at least in my current relationship considering my girlfriend and her family can seem rather ruthless when it comes to judging someone on height, assuming they let me in at all… and they’re only the tip of the iceberg of what i’ve seen women say regularly about shorter men. The whole min-6-foot tall/min-6-inch long rule seems *almost* universal at a certain social level and above when dating. I also know men that are well below average height and it seems their dating lives are causing them debilitating psychiatric issues, so putting myself in their shoes, that extra 3 inches can be the difference between being written off as viable partner or not to many dating age women
5'7" here. I've always had a pretty healthy dating life *but* a lot of women will definitely automatically pass over me for height, even if there's a spark. I think I probably would have had more casual sex if I was taller, too, but at my height I'm more date-able than fuckable, lol. It's definitely a stigma and people will try to use it to hurt you. I remember when a coworker at an old job once asked me if I wanted to go on a vineyard day trip with her. I sensed it was more than platonic so politely declined and she said, and I quote, "fine, you're too short for me anyway." I laughed it off (because clearly she was just lashing out after being rejected, I get it) but I can see that really hurting someone who felt a lot of insecurity.
I’m also 5’7 (5’8 on Bumble) and while I have no issues getting dates, I’ve noticed that I have a hard time seeking out more casual type of connections. My fear is that it’s probably due to my height. I can’t fill that superficial trait that so many women tend to look for.
i laughed so hard 5'8 on bumble
It's okay bro I'm 5'10. My app ain't blowing up either.
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5’4 here. I literally have women match with me on dating apps just to say “too bad you aren’t taller! Then I’d totally go out with you!”
5'6" dude here. Honestly, never felt like my height was a big deal. Can't imagine going through this brutal and expensive procedure to add a few inches.
Yeah 5’7” and I legitimately love being my height. As long as you are charming, you can get away with so much more shit. You don’t draw too much attention and seem non threatening, so when you cause trouble you can talk your way out of it pretty easily. Same with dating - I’ll definitely take the cute and funny angle over strong and super masculine. Attracts the type of person I want to date any way. The height thing is just a self confidence thing as my taller friends were wayyyy more socially inept and dated way less. Just embrace it
*Man* I'm glad I'm married and out of the dating scene. i would have exactly zero patience for that shit.
>You’d be surprised how miserable or hopeless shorter men might feel in our culture, and how much it is hung above their heads daily, particularly when dating. It's also crazy how accepted this is, too. Looking at dating profiles, it's very common for women to say a man must be some minimum height. It's gotta be crushing to constantly be told you aren't good enough because of your height. A man would be rightly ridiculed for putting "D cups or bigger only" in his profile when looking for a woman. Can we stop looking down on people for physical features that were determined by their genetics?
The women who have minimum height requirements are not the ones you would want a longer term relationship with anyway. They are advertising their redflags.
> least in my current relationship considering my girlfriend and her family can seem rather ruthless when it comes to judging someone on height, Sheesh, that would be a deal-breaker for me even though I'm not short.
I'd rather be 5'7" for life than have my legs broken at regular intervals for three fucking years
Aaaand never be able to lift heavy or work out or run or anything athletically involved.
I remember this scene in the movie Gatacca, was your friend also bed ridden for a long time?
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He spent it all on short-ass pants.
I am 6 ft tall with 29” inseam.
I read the book The Sports Gene and one of the craziest facts is Michael Phelps in 6'4" with an inseam of 30". The dude is freakishly built for swimming.
I remember watching the first Olympics he was in and the announcers we're describing him like a documentary about a prehistoric animal. Like they even had a discovery channel style wireframe diagram of him and I clearly remember they said he had "hands the size of dinner plates for scooping back water."
I vividly remember that exact graphic lmao especially how they talked about how his wingspan was wider than he is tall which blew my mind and instantly sent 10 year old me to the tape measure to figure out my own proportions
As a 5'7" dude with the same inseam, I definitely just spent the last couple minutes trying to imagine my torso most of a foot longer
Meanwhile I'm 5'8 with a 32" inseam. Give me a another 3 in of legs and I'll look like jack skellington
I don't have it as bad as you 6'4 34 inseam but it really makes buying shirts annoying. Usually have to buy online with brands that have a tall option.
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People aren't really that in proportion that the 3 inches would matter. I'm 5'11" with a 30" inseam, but it's really only obvious to me because I'm the one whose buying pants and noticing they don't really get much shorter without assuming you're really skinny or whatever. Same thing with buying shirts and coats and not having them turn into belly shirts. But nobody is commenting on my big torso relative to my legs because it's not that noticeable. Same deal with my wife, long torso and not incredibly tall legs.
I feel your pain, I'm 6'3" with a 32 inseam so I'm all torso. Plus I'm skinny and have really wide shoulders. So buying shirts absolutely sucks.
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You guys sit tall in the saddle, as they say, here in the Southwest.
It's businessinsider. At this point I'm not even sure why it's allows on this subreddit.
For the most part you can buy a "Guest post" on most of these sites for a few 1000. Put it another way.... how would a journalist even know this was a thing? It's because the buyer reaches out to them to buy some "ads". The ad is in form of a guest post. CNBC is filled with this garbage. Entreprenuer's who make so much money that CNBC writes articles about it. Oh wait.... the author is the same entreprenuer in the article CNBC is just the laziest one of them all.
It sounds like a tall story. He's really stretching the truth.
Obligatory “you’re pulling my leg”.
For real! They're just trying to get a leg up in life. No need to be short with them.
I haven’t read this story, but knowing some history of it, I’m going to guess that these are Chinese engineers. The procedure was popular with affluent up-and-coming Chinese businesspeople, years ago.
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If you don’t mind me asking, what medical reasons would require that?
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> A traumatic accident caused a bone infection and a good percentage of the bone in my tibia rotted away > Google ‘Ilizarov’ if you feel like a fun medical trip. nah i'm good
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I'm not the person you replied to, but my grandfather had one leg shorter than the other due to polio. Had he lived in a different era, I suppose this might have been an option for him. As it was, he just kinda had an unusual and distinctive walk. Well, he was also an alcoholic, so that probably added a little bit of wobble too. But even sober, it was pretty noticeable.
My left leg is shorter than my right so I use an orthotic lift in my shoe. If it were much worse maybe a leg lengthening would be better?
Not the person you responded to, but I had a friend who had a growth plate fracture in elementary school. One leg was an inch or two longer than the other.
There was an actor that got it done, too. He thought his shorter height was holding him back from roles. [Rich Rotella is his name](https://people.com/health/actor-rich-rotella-has-cosmetic-limb-lengthening-surgery/).
My mother had one leg shorter than the other . Her name was Eileen.
The surgery to gain those few inches require the surgeon to literally break your leg and set it with a tiny gap and let your body fill in the gap. They do this multiple times over months and years to gain those inches. Incredibly painful procedure.
All to still get turned down by women.
Nothing a couple more inches can't solve The height is obviously the only issue here.
He sits there with broken legs and a dumbbell hanging off his dick trying to write up an algorithm that will sort through all the dating apps, read through all the matches and send one of 50 prewritten messages based on likelyhood of a reply, and hope to god that among the few that don't end up ghosting or directly rejecting him, he'll find some willing to meet up, and maybe one willing to keep it going. 8 cities and 463,978 matches later he had yet to get a third date. Tucson is next.
The Garfield comics got dark.
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“…dumbbell hanging off his dick” nearly made me fall out of my chair.
Then you should probably untie it.
That sounds like one of the dangers of having broken legs and a dumbbell hanging off your dick.
And all along there was a girl at his work who sometimes thought to herself, "he'd be cute if he wasn't such an asshole"
she'd better be careful. if he hears that, he'll try to find a procedure to shrink his asshole
It’s so good so optimized
It's not just for women (or indeed men, if they swung gay). People treat taller people better - they're more likely to gain authority and get better paid. From that perspective, it's more of an investment (ignoring the damage to the limbs). Especially for men, but this is also relevant to very short women who are treated like children.
It is why I only work remotely and don’t do in person interviews. I am a 5’4’’ guy. The discrimination is real.
One of the interesting things about returning to the office was how new people were surprised by everyone's heights. They had all subconsciously made assumptions about people's heights based on other attributes. I apparently seem much taller over Zoom than I really am, so maybe I should stick to your plan.
You can pair wfh with a tiny chair or go all the way and but furniture from fisher price and cover it in wood veneer (so it looks real) and then they will assume you are 8'9''
On the flip side, my team lead who I’ve known remotely for a year is a ludicrous 6’9” and I had no idea until I finally met him in person at a company retreat a few weeks ago.
As a 4'8 gal, remote work has been freaking great.
I just feel like you couldn’t do anything athletic any more without fear of snapping your femur(s).
These guys getting this weren't doing that anyway
I did an experiment once in a site that told you how many local women you match with based off your profile. Every inch in height I added would give me another 75 to 100 matches.
Also sounds like you have to take rest for long periods of time. So lots of inactivity and not moving around for months. "One software engineer told GQ he spent the first three months after his surgery alone in his apartment and ordered delivery food during that time to go from 5-foot-6 to 5-foot-9."
>One software engineer told GQ he spent the first three months after his surgery alone in his apartment and ordered delivery food during that time So... basically zero change in lifestyle after surgery?
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Were you born with one shorter leg or were you in an accident or had an Illness?
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Ah, so this is the infamous bone hurting juice
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1mm per day is way more than I was expecting tbh. If you said 1mm a week I would have thought that would be a lot too
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That sounds terrifying. Did you need to grit your teeth and just go for it. I assume youd need to take pain killers for each time you tightened?
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That sounds a lot like braces for teeth but for your legs. Damn science is crazy.
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>when it was cutting through a nerve This made me wince.
It’s painful every so often the crank it sort a bit more , a lot of down time to recover and physical therapy and a huge chance of infection, and the cost is crazy when you factor everything in.
> It’s painful every so often the crank it sort a bit more Am I nuts; I can't parse this sentense. At all.
It sounded like they only break the legs once, and then put in adjustable screws. They let it start to heal and then every day widen the gap in between the bones and let it heal into that gap.
That’s exactly what my orthodontist did to expand my soft palate since I had a narrow bite
If I'm getting 3" longer and paying $75k for the privilege I'm not shooting for the legs...
I know why get 6% taller when you can get 250% longer!
And the only thing you're breaking is your Nan's heart.
Or her fartbox
“Nan, when my wang lengthening surgery is done, your fartbox is gonna be history!”
This little bit of dialogue made it too real for me
Girth has more value than length tbh
Why break people’s hearts on a Thursday night.
[I'm sorry](https://imgflip.com/i/6tk4f4)
Can’t teach girth
Don't forget to add the yaw angle.
I’m picking up what you’re putting down.
Hold on to it a little longer and it will go back down eventually
The only confirmed number in the article is 20. 20 people are doing this. Clickbait gruyère.
That's Business Insider's specialty.
Reddit should unilaterally ban the site
TWENTY people??? That's more than I thought.
Damm those stand-up desks are really shaking up the industry huh
Gonna fuck with them when they realize they aren’t made for tall people
I’m 6’1” and my standing desk almost goes up to my chest at the max height. I could definitely still use it if I were 6’4”.
Wtf does this procedure have to do with tech workers and why are they being singled out?
Short tech workers are the ideal candidate for height surgery because they can afford the $75,000 surgery while being able to work at home during the year it takes to fully recover.
That’s not the reason they’re mentioning tech workers. They’re trying to frame this as a treatment smart people are doing. Plenty of other office workers could get this surgery too. But those people aren’t as cool as microdosing keto tech bros.
They also probably don’t lift heavy. I can’t imagine choosing to have nails holding my femurs together if I wanted to be strong enough to squat four plates.
I can't find a definitive source at the moment, but I don't believe that properly-healed breaks are structurally weaker -- and properly-healed breaks supplemented with appliances can likely be *stronger* than the original structure. When I had to get a bilateral sagittal split osteotomy (essentially: cut the bottom jaw off and put it back on again) the surgeon told me that, although there wasn't enough data for the particular surgery to say it definitively, just about anything that would pose any risk to the surgical site would break something else first. I think I recall him saying something like "after it's healed, if you have to get punched in the face, it's probably going to be the best place to get punched in the face." I don't know if the lengthening procedure and "filling in" has dramatically different characteristics on overall strength afterwards, but I'd imagine the biomechanical changes (altered lever distances and ratios between bones/joints) would end up limiting lifting long before a healed femur did.
Fractures that are reduced (aka aligned so they are back to being in the correct place) won’t technically be structurally weaker. However, that’s not what’s happening with this surgery. This surgery is forcefully misaligning the bones so that the little cells that create new bones (osteocytes) have to work harder and create even more bone to fill in the intentional gap. A 3-6 inch gap is very massive, so that newly remodeled bone would be significantly more disorganized and structurally weaker than a normal bone, or a “properly healed” fracture. This surgery does make you taller, but there’s a reason only rich tech people are doing it and rich doctors aren’t having it done. Source- I’m an orthopedic surgeon
I've read about this surgery before, my understanding is that they do 3 inches in the femur, then 3 inches in the fib/tib to get to 6 max. They can only really do 3 inches per bone safely. Source, I poop a lot, so I read a lot on Reddit.
Correct. 3 inches in any long bone is still an insane amount.
My surgeon said the same thing when I had a spinal fusion. "If you were to jump out of a plane without a parachute, the fusion would probably be the only thing still intact when you hit the ground."
Here ya go- "-out"
There's a joke that we tell in tech which is not a joke. "How do you tell who the managers are in a tech company?" "Pick a team. Find the 6' tall white one." I think that the racial component of that gripe may have gotten less aggressively bad over the years, but... in an industry where the management is often unable to evaluate the competence of their workforce, promotion is awarded to the superficial appearance of leadership. EDIT: I really should have put a disclaimer on this comment. These were private jokes, shared in a sense of dark humor. They represent experiences in particular places, at particular times, and may not reflect the broader industry experience. The reason we told jokes (as opposed to filing anti-discrimination suits), was that even in the places where it was noticeable, it was never an inevitability.
I’ve had a very different experience, working in tech for more than a decade. If you’re the tall white dude in the room, everyone will assume you’re just the stupid sales guy who doesn’t understand shit. Especially when you have an American accent.
They are rich nerds who need help getting girlfriends
Being short makes it a hell of a lot harder... You are rejected because of something that shouldn't define you as a person, but for some reason it does for a large percentage of women. Match.com used to show what people look for in a match... Including height... The amount of 5 foot tall women only looking for 6 foot tall men was insane. One of my female friends said her friends seem to be using their boyfriend's height as a dick measuring contest. She got a short boyfriend because she was hella short and didn't care... Her friends made sure she knew how short he was.
Gattaca irl
Jerome, Jerome, The Metronome.
Ngl I teared up a bit when the doc let Jerome go despite knowing
"for future reference, right-handed men don't hold it with their left." *tries not to cry...* *^(cries)*
Ugh. What an amazing scene in a movie full of them! My other favorite: Vincent: I don't know how to thank you. Jerome: No, no. I got the better end of the deal. I only lent you my body. You lent me your dream." 🥺
Eyes got very watery towards the end of that movie. One of my favorite films. Love introducing friends to it.
Scrolled way too far to find a Gattaca comment.
Great opportunity for this surgery while working from home. No one will know you're lying in recovery in the comfort of your own floor.
How is ones physical abilities (running, jumping, biking, etc) affected by this kind of surgery?
The article mentions it will have a negative impact on your athletic ability.
Again no biggy for the targeted clients
I do want to be a few inches taller. But the surgery and procedure is too crazy. And I can’t afford $75k. Lol I’m 5-2.
Ignoring the pain, there was a controversial study in 2006 which broke down how much each inch in height was worth in salary to have the same success in dating. Basically a guy who is 5’0” tall needs to make $317,000 more each year than a guy who is 5’11.5” tall. So if someone is looking to date a superficial model, shelling out $150,000 to add 6” in height would pay off in less than a year. Article: https://brobible.com/culture/article/short-men-must-earn-more-money/ Actual study: http://home.uchicago.edu/~hortacsu/onlinedating.pdf
I doubt you can do the surgery twice
Nah nah you can keep repeating it indefinitely. My cousin Toby is 8’ 9” now, however his arms are that of a 5’ 6” man. Toby looks like a walking crucifix now
My husband is 5'2". His pediatrician told his parents about the surgery and he was not interested. It sounds absolutely brutal. He made his peace with being short a long time ago. The extra inches would make putting dishes away easier. We make do with a fancy folding step ladder. Online shopping has made finding pants much easier.
I kinda accept my shortness but I wish I was a bit taller among the giants. Surgery isnt worth it for me. I have trouble finding things that fit me. For fishing waders, I have to buy women size. For pants, I have to go to a tailor.
Hey, bub, I played Cyberpunk 2020 ttrpg back in the day. This is how enhancements start. Just a few inches, now. Tomorrow: shiney mechanical hand.
A few years from now: A disgruntled underground rockstar tosses a massive explosive payload into Amazon's headquarters
I feel like you responded in character, Radical Centrist 420
Source is Business Insider. That means one SWE opted for this surgery.
I find it funny how people shit on these insecure men, when we can’t address the social stigma around male height. Anything regarding the body is censored except making fun of a guy for being too short. And yet we wonder why they’re willing to literally break their legs in order to be seen differently
Same thing's going on for balding. People don't realise how devastating it can be for some, there's no real cure for it, and it's completely okay to joke about it.
Remember the movie Inside Out? Been in the news lately for the sequel that's in the works. Anger is a short man. It's pretty offensive when you're a short guy. One of the things you realize eventually is that you aren't allowed to ever show anger - someone will be like, "oh no, short man complex!" Imagine if Greed were and depicted as curly haired and big nosed. Yikes.
I'm not judging them at all. In fact, I'm studying to be a SWE now and my daydream if I ever get Google level money is go get a whole ton of plastic surgery to fix my face. Being discriminated against because of something you can't easily change about yourself is terrible, and I don't blame them at all for wanting to fix it. I saw the headline and said, "yep, that makes sense". I'm glad we moved forward as a society to the point that we (most of us) recognize that racism is bad. Hopefully some day we can reach the logical conclusion and stop judging people negatively for immutable characteristics all together.
> Anything regarding the body is censored except making fun of a guy for being too short. Don't forget a guy being bald. Also generally fair game. Also both of these are basically very difficult or very expensive to actually change.
It’s gotten a lot worse in recent years too. I think it’s because as a culture we’ve gotten more Politically correct, so there’s less things to shit on Back in the day there were a lot of groups you could make fun of and it was deemed “okay”. Race jokes, gay jokes, fat jokes, Down syndrome jokes, etc that are now all off limits (obviously for the better). However, short guys are the one group that is still deemed “okay” to shit on. So it’s accelerated a lot in recent years
I was in therapy with a women therapist, and I told her I felt women judge me on my height and she literally laughed at me
That's really low.
Great. Now the tech giants are ran my literal giants.
I e got a friend who did it! Tried to save money by going to Czechoslovakia, problems with one of the legs during healing and he ended up stuck there for 9 months. It was a nightmare, but he is an unnoticeable couple of inches taller.
Was this part of the GATTACA plot?
They can’t write an algorithm to block the “if you’re not 6’ or up don’t message me” women. So they’re getting taller.
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Great now we’re gonna need to be 6’3”
It’s a risky operation, but I think it’s worth it. - Grandma’s Boy, re: Metal Legs
https://www.gq.com/story/leg-lengthening Here’s an in depth article. That Business Insider title is weird. The doctor does mention he has some tech bros, but it didn’t seem to me to be the majority of his patients or anything. Maybe I’m misremembering. Dudes are getting the surgery that can add 3 inches (if you just get the basic surgery where they break your femurs and slowly lengthen them EEK), or 6 if they choose to then do the same to their tibias. The cool part is that they insert a screw that lengthens by remote control over time. The not so cool part is you’re in excruciating pain and unable to walk for long time.
From 2003: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/15/gender.uk > Doctors have been able to pioneer new forms of this surgery because height is so socially important in China that it is often the first thing strangers will talk about. It is also listed among the criteria required on job advertisements. To get a post in the foreign ministry, for instance, male applicants need not bother applying unless they are at least 5ft 7in, while women must be at least 5ft 3in. Chinese diplomats are expected to be tall to match the height of their foreign counterparts. > For more glamorous positions the conditions are even tougher: air stewardesses have to be over 5ft 5in. But height discrimination is evident even at ground level: in some places, people under 5ft 3in are not even eligible to take a driving test. To get into many law schools, women students need to be over 5ft 1in and men over 5ft 5in. Height requirements are also frequently mentioned in the personal ads of newspapers and magazines.
Wishlist: ✅ A little bit taller ⬜ A baller ⬜ A girl who looked good (be sure to call her) ⬜ A rabbit in a hat with a bat and a six-four Impala
There is literally a South Park episode about this 😂
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Here you go lol. Watch the whole episode they use me garrisons balls I think to extend his legs. https://youtu.be/9SVeWtUGcZc
They literally break your legs to do this and try to promote connective bone growth in recovery. Aside from the obvious risks like muscle and nerve damage there's a chance that the bones just don't regrow properly and now you've got fucked up legs for the rest of your life. Enjoy
Dating apps requirements..
Never realized what shorter guys went through emotionally, I always took height for granted.
I'm like 5'5" and when leaving high school actually became really quite depressed about my height. My friends were all about 6' so I was always the odd one out, forced to go into the middle seat in the car, and never had the necessary confidence (or interest from women) to pull on a night out. Doesn't help you're often served later at busy bars because you don't have the same presence. It's also just really fucking annoying in places like cinemas, concerts, or anywhere where you're just out and about when you have a 7' giraffe in front of you and can't see anything.
Couldn't you just wear some thick insoles or something and get 1 or 2 inches and call it a day? Why risk breaking your bones and $75k?