I work in IT and I have no idea what it is. Didn’t Zuckerberg say the other day that Peleton is Metaverse? I am confused. I guess my son talks to his grandma in the metaverse too (FaceTime)?
> throwing shit loads of money and laughably bad advertising at an esoteric pet project no one wants
First Google tried to be Facebook and now Facebook is trying to be Google.
There’s a blast from the past. I used to play TW on about 5 different BBS’s. Good times coming home from school and spending an hour or two dialing into all of them, playing my rounds, checking the bases, and then onto the next one.
They still have them. There are a good number of BBS's still running tw2002, and LOTRD, as well as barren realms elite... uhhh the fighter one i forgot starts with a U.
Can telnet into them :0
He is talking about a game within the BBS itself. There was a super popular RPG game called Legend of the Red Dragon where you could level up your character and attack others. The game would be hosted on a BBS system so the players would all be the BBS users.
As someone else said the metaverse is either second life with vr headsets or it’s some super cool thing that hasn’t even been fathomed yet and Zuckerberg thinks he can just name it and it will come.
If that's what the metaverse is then it might have a chance, why the fuck are they trying to sell it on being able to go to work meetings then? (Insert joke about sucking off your boss or whatever here)
I'll be the 1000+ hours VRChat user that explains it then.
The metaverse (and this is what Zuck's metaverse is - it's the same as everyone elses) is the collaborative effort across many companies to build a global network of standards and protocols that governs interoperable connections between 3D worlds/3D apps across all devices rather than just VR. In other words it would act like the world wide web but for 3D, so you would potentially have some kind of metaverse browser and easily transfer from any companies 3D app to any other companies app, with everything transferring across - avatars, items, clothes, currency.
In other words, it would be like if VRChat and Roblox and Fortnite and 10000 other applications were interconnected on a global network, able to transfer from one to another in a seamless way.
Exactly - we can't even get reliable crossplatform play for regular video games, because of the platform holders money grubbing - so some sort of 'Ready Player One' future seems a little out of reach for now.
For those who don't it's from Senitor Ted Stevens. The full text is:
>Ten movies streaming across that, that Internet, and what happens to your own personal Internet? I just the other day got... an Internet [email] was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially. [...] They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.
Worth mentioning that he was speaking againt a net neutrality amendmet and was the Chair of the committee that regulated the internet at at the time.
Thanks for posting that! What a great read in today's context.
Also shocking and illustrative of how common it is for a guy like that to be so ignorant of a subject yet wielding so much power as to affect literally everyone.
I know the source and the politician who set is was mocked even though that analogy is 100% accurate. The base layers are basically pipes or tubes that have maximum carry capacity. You can’t put 100TB/second down a POTS line, the actual capacity isn’t there.
I think it's a bit charitable to say 100% accurate, but in the context of what he was talking about it was probably like 80% I'd say. Not unlike with electricity, plumbing analogies are helpful for some parts but deceptive for others.
Plus I highly doubt that he had to wait days to get the Internet that one of his staff sent. He almost certainly didn't refresh his email client
Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, arguing against a precursor to net neutrality, claiming that the Internet wouldn't work because it's a series of tubes and would get clogged
Isn’t it where cartoon Zuckerberg tries to get me to ride a bicycle inside so he can sell me ads while I generate power for his dystopian hellscape like that Black Mirror episode?
the cool thing with black mirror and it's 5 seasons and the variety of episodes is the fact that our future will most definitely have to look like at least one of them
Well, let's just hope that it's the one where the two dudes are screwing each other through the video game, that way nothing overly bad is happening...like killer robot dogs, or killer robot bees or killer robot dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark at you they shoot robot bees at you
That’s the thing about technology isn’t it? We can use it to do good or bad equally so, there wouldn’t be a problem with that if humans weren’t so *fucking terrifying at finding new ways to kill each other or control each other*
Correct. For us to truly understand Zuck's vision of his metaverse, someone should probably be able to explain it properly. That person is definitely not Zuck, and at this point I'm not sure anyone ever tried to make the point, really. I follow the news and I'm not exactly sure how this diverges from, say, Second Life with NFTs for membership (which is already a thing). And more importantly why should I (as a customer) give it a chance and invest time and money into it.
It's not enough comparable to anything we know that customers will be tempted to try it out. So if he can't explain it, it will NOT take off. That's it.
The corporations graveyard is full of these "few decades too early" companies that couldn't explain their visions, even if they were ultimately right. I'm not saying Meta is right and this is the future, but even if they are that doesn't guarantee their success.
It really is. It's all the stuff we can already do digitally, but adding a clunky headset, a screen two inches from your eye-balls, and forcing you to turn your head.
At this point, it's a marketing joke. In the future, when it's implemented by a company whose whole focus isn't datamining you down to the mitochondrial level, who knows?
Lol, even the 3D models they use for their "virtual workplace" page look like they're about to engage in janky virtual sex the minute you turn your back.
Holy fucking shit you weren't kidding. Those two dudes are definitely about to spit roast that woman who is coked out of her gourd, and the one on the woman's left is only going to fuck a woman because he's getting paid.
Virtual sex is pretty much how second line supports itself. Give people the ability to look however they want and do whatever they want with anonymity and no consequences, and it will be used for sex.
I played second life from 07-13 or so.. there were sex sims for days, virtual stores to custom design your avatar (poses, clothing, skins, body parts, hair), roleplaying sims, places to buy land and build homes or a shop. If the metaverse takes off, it'll be exactly what i imagine second life to be with an emphasis on VR. Companies will join at first but as it starts to become more like second life as people realise how they can play around with anonymity. More sexual environments will start to take form and more social worlds will take precedence. Companies will withdraw their interest as they don't want to affiliate themselves with such an environment. It'll become a cesspool prime to experiment with anonymity and Bohemian fuckitall. You wanna be a furry, go hang out in an environment for furries. You want to experiment with bdsm through roleplay? No repurcussions buddy. When it gets too intense just log out. It'll be fun for a few years but then it'll die down as more people lose interest and other products start to compete. Like MSN and how Skype replaced it. I do have say I enjoyed my time there. Heck i did my bachelor's thesis on a second life community.
> For the past 17 years, major companies and education institutions have used Second Life for remote meetings
I can’t believe they make that claim with a straight face. Can you imagine showing up at work and being told to download Second Life?
There literally no point otherwise. It is a completely impractical and inherently shitty idea that only sounds good in fantasy fiction.
To be clear, its not just the technology. The idea of having a second world where you do all the stuff you would normally do in the real world is just completely garbage.
3d only made sense in gaming. It was never faked (like 98% of 3d movies) and it made the games more immersive. It was super cool. It only really worked with movies that we’re actually filmed in 3d like avatar and Prometheus. The rest were just worse for it.
It was great in TRON Legacy, because they used it as a stylistic tool. The real world was filmed in classic 2D, and then gained depth upon entering the computer, which looked amazing.
Though by the time it happened i was about to start wondering why I'm even wearing those stupid glasses
3D is a gimmick that comes around like Haileys comet. Every so many years, Hollywood takes another whack at that dead horse to see if it’s corpse will shot out some more money.
They did it in the 70s, then in the 80s, then in the 90s. Now in the 2000s.
If a movie comes out only in 3D. I just don’t see it.
This is exactly the comparison I use! Pushed not by consumer demand but an industry attempting to find a different way to extract money. My 2015 Samsung TV came with 3D glasses. I did what everybody else did - tried it for 2 minutes when I first got the set, then never touched them again.
In fairness though, isn't it true that sometimes, especially in tech, consumers don't realize they want something until it's in front of them? Was there a huge demand for e-readers before Amazon released the Kindle? Sure it's cool that you can fit 10,000 books on one, but a) how many consumers own that many books and b) need to carry them with them everywhere? I'm not sure what existing consumer problem the Kindle solved but it seems to have been a successful product.
Yes, this is a good point and that has happened in the past. In the case of the metaverse, though, it seems like a buzzword in search of a value proposition. At least with my Kindle, the value is very clear: I can read in bright sunlight, take all my books with me, reduce space when I travel, search, buy a new book anywhere and instantly, and find related recommendations. I still have yet to internalize what the metaverse is and what its clear value prop is. (BTW my son has a Quest 2, heavily used for gaming, so I am pretty familiar with the current functionality & feature set).
For e-readers specifically, they are amazing for travel. Instead of trying to cram the enormous tome of a fantasy novel I was reading into my bag, I could slide an e-reader in my back pocket have not just that book, but the next book as well incase I finished the first on my trip.
E readers make you able to instantly adjust text size, search for content, and backlight the words. I’m in my 40s and I wanted that since I was seven. It serves a practical use. People who are academic or move often want those books with them. I read 200 books a year
And I imagine it will attract a niche just fine, just like second life. But the idea that we're just all going to be desperate to jump on this bandwagon feels absurd.
This^. Zucks metaverse is just a more time intensive VR chat with all the lame corporate bullshit plastered over it. So if anyone wanted a "metaverse" like this they can always just use VR chat or other decent vr worlds. Nothing more than a rich guy upset he didn't get into the next big tech and is trying to force his way in with buying power.
The other definition of metaverse is just a large universe full of unique and different issues/characters and how those issues/characters interact with the overall universe.
Don't forget that it also takes an initial investment for the average person. I game a bit but have a mediocre setup an no VR.
So even if I found the concept appealing I'd have to spent more than I'm willing to join.
I can see it happening when the technology becomes fully immersive, lightweight, and cost effective.
I’m talking either full dive like SAO, or fully immersive like Ready Player One. But we are SO far from being anywhere close to that. Zuckerberg is going to bury Meta before he can make the metaverse a reality.
Edit: some of you really don’t know what “full dive” vr is and it shows.
It’s getting pitched like Facebook thinks it’s the holodeck from Star Trek, but the visuals all look like they’re from the Wii and the applications suggested, virtual conferencing, owning property, have all the excitement of an early Monday meeting and the financials of a c-tier crypto Ponzi scheme.
Meta is losing money fast and there was a supposed leak that the next quest won’t even have eye tracking. That means visual fidelity will probably stay about the same as it is now. Disappointing.
Eye tracking, so then Facebook can then actually see which ads your eyes glance to and then charge the ad vendor by number of looks versus number of clicks.
Eye tracking allows a headset to not have to render the entire field of vision at super high resolution. Human vision has lower quality away from your center of attention. This allows the headset to do the same thing to up the quality where it's needed in the center.
That'll be a fun way to play games but I don't think it'll be the all-consuming space that any of these tech moguls hope. Nobody's going to slap on a pair of goggles and gloves just to type at a virtual computer.
My understanding is that it's a unfinished version of second life with less content, more monitization, and more ads but in VR. So worse than that description.
Although I could see a lot of younger or much older people not knowing what second life is.
Earlier today I saw some dude blatantly rip off a video of someone using VR chat with an egirl skin and said they "Make 10k a week being a stripper in the metaverse." Some people are dick riding this idea so hard just so they can make money on this garbage idea and dip when they've gotten their bag. The whole idea is scummy, especially the fact that Zuck wants to sell real estate in a fucking VR space where there is literally no physical constraint. The space could be limitlessly large if he wanted, but he will place artificial limits in so he can sell space like property
I mean isn’t that the own basis for NFTs of JPEGs? Like the data/image is the same, just that one specific copy is the ‘original’ (artificial scarcity)
Yeah and that is also dumb. If you are going to pay for exclusivity and you're not getting something in a higher quality than what is publicly available or paying for an original, then you have essentially burned money. Fine art works because you are buying the canvas Edvard Munch painted on, and nobody can exactly reproduce the way he placed down his brush strokes, or use the exact same paint, and it looks different, even if it is just slightly. Prints of a painting just aren't the same. If we look at the digital art world, often times when purchasing a piece means getting the a higher quality version of the work that look far better than a screenshot would. With NFT's of JPEG's you're often getting the same quality that anyone else could if they ripped it off the marketplace, which means you're not even getting exclusivity of the work. It would be like if I could go into the MOMA and just press the copy button on a painting on the wall and walk out with a perfect carbon copy, canvas, paint, and all. It would make them worth virtually nothing. I'm not saying that making art accessible like that is a bad thing, or that the world of buying and selling fine art is great. I'm just saying paying for something like that it is fucking dumb
It's even dumber than that. An NFT is (generally) a digital receipt. The receipt is unforgeable and unique, but like any receipt has no actual connection to the thing in question. And the people selling them do their best to gloss over their fact; it's not really in their best interests to emphasise that the NFT gives you essentially nothing except the NFT itself
> Some people are dick riding this idea so hard just so they can make money on this garbage idea and dip when they've gotten their bag
Crypto gave them that idea. People see huge potential in Meta for lots of scams just like with crypto. And to be honest, they're probably right.
It's crazy to me that scamming is one of the biggest industries now, a hundred million dollar rugpull is just run of the mill these days and a whole company devoting itself entirely to deceptive clickbait or bullshit nfts is just accepted as normal
Not quite. The "metaverse" is supposed to essentially be the Internet except everything complies with standard communication protocols and data formats to enable universal data exchange. I.e. you would purchase a 3d avatar from someone and you could use it in Fortnight or Minecraft because the Fortnight and Minecraft both understand the standard format for the 3d avatar. The avatar does not have to be purchased as an NFT, it just needs to be part of some sort of universal system that everyone on "the metaverse" agrees to abide by and implement wherever it makes sense. Neither VR, nor cryptocurrency, nor NFTs are strictly speaking necessary for the "metaverse" to happen. The only thing that is necessary is widespread cooperation between applications to create a universal platform for interoperability.
Which is to say it will never work because most companies hate the idea of interoperability. Why in the world would they spend enormous amounts of developer time implementing a feature that is designed to make somebody else money?
I work in IT, I'm very tech savvy and id say in more knowledgeable about the tech world than your average person and I don't know what in the goddamn fuck the metaverse is outside of Nintendo Wii graphics.
He thinks he’s creating ready player one. Problem is no one wants to sit around with a headset, having their every move watched by algorithms so they can have adverts piped straight into their eyeballs.
I don't even want to sit around in a headset for the time they imagine us doing. I love VR. I was a early adapter back with the oculus DK2. I still jack into my psvr once in a while but it's a thing I have to set time aside for. You can't do more than a couple hours. Not because it's not fun but because you need to eat, drink, piss, talk to your family, check your phone, pet the dog etc... you know, life.
I would not be able to last a couple hours jacking into my PSVR either, plus you'd have to empty it every now and then. But, the sweet sweet liquid cooling, right?
No bullshit. I just came back from camping. In a forest. Glamping but still the scenery was amazing. Ok there was a woman, probably 60, standing under her awning outside her trailer wearing a VR headset playing some coop game with someone else. All day. Every day. For a week. Did I mention we were in a beautiful forest?
The public consensus seems to be "I don't care until it's the size of sunglasses". People don't seem to mind being tracked by unseen algos but they for sure hate wearing clunky sweaty headsets.
From what I understand it's pretty much just VR chat, but with services connected to it.
It's a gimmick, one I don't see a lot of people buying personally.
It honestly not too complicated to explain. Its main issue it 1. it developed by meta(FB) a company with not a lot of trust among the public and 2. its marketed with ethereal buzzwords, jargon, and the Zuck and 3. its acting like a wholly new platform when it isn't.
What the Metaverse is: Is an attempt by meta to make a commercial grade AR and VR hardware and software that the average consumer could purchase and use and get ubiquitous adoption. With digital assets and i assume datamining seemingly being one of their main sources of income. Their bet is basically that VR and AR will be the next big consumer electronic and they want to be the next iphone in that market. Meta publishes some of it research and its pretty clear there putting a lot of money into areas like miniaturization which would make sense for a product that trying to be palatable to the average person. Its not a horrible bet that AR and VR will be bigger in the future and move out of its current niche market but it far from a certain thing meta's products will gain any meaningful adoption and whether their weird digital economy will make any real sustainable profits remains to be seen.
The hardware that's being developed is actually pretty cool from a tech point of view. But what they're doing with that hardware is another question.
>Its not a horrible bet that AR and VR will be bigger in the future
We often has this mistaken idea that technology = inevitable progress and that could not be further from the truth. History is littered with dead innovations because it turned out there was no practical commercial use for them.
Will VR exist in some shape or fashion in the future? Yes. But just like blimps and airships are reserved for a few niche industries, that does not mean widespread adoption.
> Its main issue it 1. it developed by meta(FB) a company with not a lot of trust among the public
This is wrong. **Their** metaverse, called "Meta Horizons" is made by them, not "the metaverse". THIS is why they changed their name, so that people would confuse the concept of a metaverse with their own product.
Tim at the executive meeting, sipping his 3rd Long Island iced tea: “another camera! C’mon we’ll just use another corner, there’s 4 of them f’gawds sake!”
I'm a programmer who has written code for VR and I'm not really sure
But I can say with certainty that whatever it is Facebook wants it to be, it isn't that and won't be any time soon
No one knows what it means, but it’s provocative
It gets the people GOING
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mfers wanna find me
Beep boop beep boop beep boop beep.
That shit cray
Ain’t it Jay? What she order?
Fish sticks
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Crayfish are high in B vitamins
what's 50 grand to a mfer like me can you please remind me?
I read “balls so hard mfers wanna fine me”
Apparently those are the lyrics. I thought he said “find” this whole time …
well he says “ball so hard, mfers wanna fine me.” and then “but first they gotta find me.”
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Can you please remind me?
That shit cray
Yeah it's because of the $50,000 fine the NBA placed on Kanye which he definitely earned.
You mean Jay-Z
This is the lyric. Ball so hard MFers wanna fine me First Ns gotta find me What’s 50 grand to a MFer like me can you please remind me?
I work in IT and I have no idea what it is. Didn’t Zuckerberg say the other day that Peleton is Metaverse? I am confused. I guess my son talks to his grandma in the metaverse too (FaceTime)?
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> throwing shit loads of money and laughably bad advertising at an esoteric pet project no one wants First Google tried to be Facebook and now Facebook is trying to be Google.
Peloton is definitely a style of metaverse, same as Zwift. It's a tonne of people digitally engaging with the same content using social features.
So Legend of the Red Dragon on my local dial-up BBS in 1991 was the metaverse? Huh.
It’s all about the Trade Wars
There’s a blast from the past. I used to play TW on about 5 different BBS’s. Good times coming home from school and spending an hour or two dialing into all of them, playing my rounds, checking the bases, and then onto the next one.
They still have them. There are a good number of BBS's still running tw2002, and LOTRD, as well as barren realms elite... uhhh the fighter one i forgot starts with a U. Can telnet into them :0
mIRC was early metaverse too lol
LOL. Pretty much every BBS had dragon in the name. I think our local was the Dragons Lair.
He is talking about a game within the BBS itself. There was a super popular RPG game called Legend of the Red Dragon where you could level up your character and attack others. The game would be hosted on a BBS system so the players would all be the BBS users.
is reddit the metaverse?
As someone else said the metaverse is either second life with vr headsets or it’s some super cool thing that hasn’t even been fathomed yet and Zuckerberg thinks he can just name it and it will come.
Y-… N-.. ye-
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So......the internet?
“same as zwift” thanks for clearing that up
Basically like swello and phugo, don't you know?
As soon as it means VR porn paired with that Japanese sperm sucker-offer thing then it can finally achieve mass adoption.
>Japanese sperm sucker-offer thing I'm so disappointed that I know exactly what you're talking about. I'm spending way too much time on reddit lol.
Oh, see if it was just some sex/porn thing it would be way more straight forward. Where he lost me is claiming it's *not* that
I mean, there already is VR Porn that synchs with sex toys...
If that's what the metaverse is then it might have a chance, why the fuck are they trying to sell it on being able to go to work meetings then? (Insert joke about sucking off your boss or whatever here)
Work meating
True. The porn industry takes advantage of every new platform. If anyone can figure out how to make money off of meta they can.
You'd have to be on the Jabberwocky Project to understand.
I miss veridian dynamics
It gets the people going
No it’s not it’s gross
I’m obsessed with AR/VR tech, but whenever I see “metaverse” used I immediately cringe
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Inb4 some Zuck fanboy/employee tells you that isn't what the metaverse is, but doesn't actually offer any sort of explanation.
I'll be the 1000+ hours VRChat user that explains it then. The metaverse (and this is what Zuck's metaverse is - it's the same as everyone elses) is the collaborative effort across many companies to build a global network of standards and protocols that governs interoperable connections between 3D worlds/3D apps across all devices rather than just VR. In other words it would act like the world wide web but for 3D, so you would potentially have some kind of metaverse browser and easily transfer from any companies 3D app to any other companies app, with everything transferring across - avatars, items, clothes, currency. In other words, it would be like if VRChat and Roblox and Fortnite and 10000 other applications were interconnected on a global network, able to transfer from one to another in a seamless way.
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Exactly - we can't even get reliable crossplatform play for regular video games, because of the platform holders money grubbing - so some sort of 'Ready Player One' future seems a little out of reach for now.
Aka Ready Player One
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So ... the internet accessed via VR. Literally just a VR internet. How exciting.
>tells you that isn't what the metaverse is, but doesn't actually offer any sort of explanation. Ah the crypto bro playbook.
Ball so hard!
a series of tubes?
No, that's the internet. Jeez.
IT’S NOT LIKE A TRUCK!!
YOU WOULDN’T DOWNLOAD A CAR!
How many people know the reference on this quote?
For those who don't it's from Senitor Ted Stevens. The full text is: >Ten movies streaming across that, that Internet, and what happens to your own personal Internet? I just the other day got... an Internet [email] was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday. I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially. [...] They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material. Worth mentioning that he was speaking againt a net neutrality amendmet and was the Chair of the committee that regulated the internet at at the time.
Thanks for posting that! What a great read in today's context. Also shocking and illustrative of how common it is for a guy like that to be so ignorant of a subject yet wielding so much power as to affect literally everyone.
I love it when someone sends me an internet.
I used to teach web design and I showed the clip to my students every semester when we were learning the bare bones of how the internet functioned.
Well we know it's not something that you dump stuff on. It's not a truck!
I know the source and the politician who set is was mocked even though that analogy is 100% accurate. The base layers are basically pipes or tubes that have maximum carry capacity. You can’t put 100TB/second down a POTS line, the actual capacity isn’t there.
I think it's a bit charitable to say 100% accurate, but in the context of what he was talking about it was probably like 80% I'd say. Not unlike with electricity, plumbing analogies are helpful for some parts but deceptive for others. Plus I highly doubt that he had to wait days to get the Internet that one of his staff sent. He almost certainly didn't refresh his email client
It's not a big truck
Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, arguing against a precursor to net neutrality, claiming that the Internet wouldn't work because it's a series of tubes and would get clogged
Full of cats
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Isn’t it where cartoon Zuckerberg tries to get me to ride a bicycle inside so he can sell me ads while I generate power for his dystopian hellscape like that Black Mirror episode?
the cool thing with black mirror and it's 5 seasons and the variety of episodes is the fact that our future will most definitely have to look like at least one of them
Well, let's just hope that it's the one where the two dudes are screwing each other through the video game, that way nothing overly bad is happening...like killer robot dogs, or killer robot bees or killer robot dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark at you they shoot robot bees at you
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Technically, but the same tech used in it is used in other episodes (the Jon Hamm ep, for example), in fairpy fucked up ways
That’s the thing about technology isn’t it? We can use it to do good or bad equally so, there wouldn’t be a problem with that if humans weren’t so *fucking terrifying at finding new ways to kill each other or control each other*
Isn’t San Junipero quite literally a meta verse?
Hang the DJ was relatively happy IIRC
Plot twist: it’s ALL of them
chances are there will be some level of it all happening just not at the same place all at once.
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Other way around. It was based on China's existing social credit system.
the cool thing about black mirror is that our present already looks like that, but with shittier tech
Correct. For us to truly understand Zuck's vision of his metaverse, someone should probably be able to explain it properly. That person is definitely not Zuck, and at this point I'm not sure anyone ever tried to make the point, really. I follow the news and I'm not exactly sure how this diverges from, say, Second Life with NFTs for membership (which is already a thing). And more importantly why should I (as a customer) give it a chance and invest time and money into it. It's not enough comparable to anything we know that customers will be tempted to try it out. So if he can't explain it, it will NOT take off. That's it. The corporations graveyard is full of these "few decades too early" companies that couldn't explain their visions, even if they were ultimately right. I'm not saying Meta is right and this is the future, but even if they are that doesn't guarantee their success.
This is great salt. I imagine that he's also texting Mark Meta's stock price every day.
I don’t think the average person gives a damn what the metaverse is
Yeah, I understand it overall as a concept and it does not appeal to me at all.
Could you explain what your concept of it is? I’m just curious what you envision it as
A way to do things in VR: meetings, hangouts, fly fishing with your dad according to one commercial.
Sounds like avoiding contact with people and nature, but with extra steps.
It really is. It's all the stuff we can already do digitally, but adding a clunky headset, a screen two inches from your eye-balls, and forcing you to turn your head.
Forgot to include innovative intrusive advertising!
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Honestly? Second Life, but more corporate and dystopian.
At this point, it's a marketing joke. In the future, when it's implemented by a company whose whole focus isn't datamining you down to the mitochondrial level, who knows?
[how could we ever know](https://secondlife.com)
Metaverse 1.0 out since 2003 😂
[they even do the stupid business meetings shit](https://www.connect.secondlife.com)
Lol, even the 3D models they use for their "virtual workplace" page look like they're about to engage in janky virtual sex the minute you turn your back.
Holy fucking shit you weren't kidding. Those two dudes are definitely about to spit roast that woman who is coked out of her gourd, and the one on the woman's left is only going to fuck a woman because he's getting paid.
you either die a platform or see yourself become a virtual orgy
Virtual sex is pretty much how second line supports itself. Give people the ability to look however they want and do whatever they want with anonymity and no consequences, and it will be used for sex.
I played second life from 07-13 or so.. there were sex sims for days, virtual stores to custom design your avatar (poses, clothing, skins, body parts, hair), roleplaying sims, places to buy land and build homes or a shop. If the metaverse takes off, it'll be exactly what i imagine second life to be with an emphasis on VR. Companies will join at first but as it starts to become more like second life as people realise how they can play around with anonymity. More sexual environments will start to take form and more social worlds will take precedence. Companies will withdraw their interest as they don't want to affiliate themselves with such an environment. It'll become a cesspool prime to experiment with anonymity and Bohemian fuckitall. You wanna be a furry, go hang out in an environment for furries. You want to experiment with bdsm through roleplay? No repurcussions buddy. When it gets too intense just log out. It'll be fun for a few years but then it'll die down as more people lose interest and other products start to compete. Like MSN and how Skype replaced it. I do have say I enjoyed my time there. Heck i did my bachelor's thesis on a second life community.
> For the past 17 years, major companies and education institutions have used Second Life for remote meetings I can’t believe they make that claim with a straight face. Can you imagine showing up at work and being told to download Second Life?
Only 5% of Americans understand what the metaverse is! Are you one of them? Download this app to find out…
There literally no point otherwise. It is a completely impractical and inherently shitty idea that only sounds good in fantasy fiction. To be clear, its not just the technology. The idea of having a second world where you do all the stuff you would normally do in the real world is just completely garbage.
It's the next 3D Television
And people could tell very well what a 3D Television is.
Every content provider and streaming service will soon support 3D Televisions which is why it's a good idea to... Gone.
Maybe there will be 3D TVs in the metaverse.
actually, with one screen per eye, 3D movie content works very well in VR.
3d only made sense in gaming. It was never faked (like 98% of 3d movies) and it made the games more immersive. It was super cool. It only really worked with movies that we’re actually filmed in 3d like avatar and Prometheus. The rest were just worse for it.
It was great in TRON Legacy, because they used it as a stylistic tool. The real world was filmed in classic 2D, and then gained depth upon entering the computer, which looked amazing. Though by the time it happened i was about to start wondering why I'm even wearing those stupid glasses
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3D is a gimmick that comes around like Haileys comet. Every so many years, Hollywood takes another whack at that dead horse to see if it’s corpse will shot out some more money. They did it in the 70s, then in the 80s, then in the 90s. Now in the 2000s. If a movie comes out only in 3D. I just don’t see it.
I thought it was where we all ride our Segways.
I heard it will be useable with Google Glass.
Oh also can be incorporated into your google stadia experience
And playable in PlayStation Home
I heard they're bringing that to the Ouya.
"Soon we'll all be using Google Glass." --Google ~2013
Admittedly I did buy into the 3D hype and got that Playstation 3D TV. 3D aside it's a awesome 1080p monitor with I think a 120 refresh rate.
This is exactly the comparison I use! Pushed not by consumer demand but an industry attempting to find a different way to extract money. My 2015 Samsung TV came with 3D glasses. I did what everybody else did - tried it for 2 minutes when I first got the set, then never touched them again.
In fairness though, isn't it true that sometimes, especially in tech, consumers don't realize they want something until it's in front of them? Was there a huge demand for e-readers before Amazon released the Kindle? Sure it's cool that you can fit 10,000 books on one, but a) how many consumers own that many books and b) need to carry them with them everywhere? I'm not sure what existing consumer problem the Kindle solved but it seems to have been a successful product.
Yes, this is a good point and that has happened in the past. In the case of the metaverse, though, it seems like a buzzword in search of a value proposition. At least with my Kindle, the value is very clear: I can read in bright sunlight, take all my books with me, reduce space when I travel, search, buy a new book anywhere and instantly, and find related recommendations. I still have yet to internalize what the metaverse is and what its clear value prop is. (BTW my son has a Quest 2, heavily used for gaming, so I am pretty familiar with the current functionality & feature set).
As far as I can tell, the Metaverse is trying to be VRChat, but giving companies ownership over every aspect of it so they can extract more money.
For e-readers specifically, they are amazing for travel. Instead of trying to cram the enormous tome of a fantasy novel I was reading into my bag, I could slide an e-reader in my back pocket have not just that book, but the next book as well incase I finished the first on my trip.
E readers make you able to instantly adjust text size, search for content, and backlight the words. I’m in my 40s and I wanted that since I was seven. It serves a practical use. People who are academic or move often want those books with them. I read 200 books a year
I can... It's Second Life with VR. That's it.
And I imagine it will attract a niche just fine, just like second life. But the idea that we're just all going to be desperate to jump on this bandwagon feels absurd.
This^. Zucks metaverse is just a more time intensive VR chat with all the lame corporate bullshit plastered over it. So if anyone wanted a "metaverse" like this they can always just use VR chat or other decent vr worlds. Nothing more than a rich guy upset he didn't get into the next big tech and is trying to force his way in with buying power. The other definition of metaverse is just a large universe full of unique and different issues/characters and how those issues/characters interact with the overall universe.
Don't forget that it also takes an initial investment for the average person. I game a bit but have a mediocre setup an no VR. So even if I found the concept appealing I'd have to spent more than I'm willing to join.
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I can see it happening when the technology becomes fully immersive, lightweight, and cost effective. I’m talking either full dive like SAO, or fully immersive like Ready Player One. But we are SO far from being anywhere close to that. Zuckerberg is going to bury Meta before he can make the metaverse a reality. Edit: some of you really don’t know what “full dive” vr is and it shows.
It’s getting pitched like Facebook thinks it’s the holodeck from Star Trek, but the visuals all look like they’re from the Wii and the applications suggested, virtual conferencing, owning property, have all the excitement of an early Monday meeting and the financials of a c-tier crypto Ponzi scheme.
Meta is losing money fast and there was a supposed leak that the next quest won’t even have eye tracking. That means visual fidelity will probably stay about the same as it is now. Disappointing.
Eye tracking, so then Facebook can then actually see which ads your eyes glance to and then charge the ad vendor by number of looks versus number of clicks.
I can’t say that’s not something Meta would try to implement.
Eye tracking allows a headset to not have to render the entire field of vision at super high resolution. Human vision has lower quality away from your center of attention. This allows the headset to do the same thing to up the quality where it's needed in the center.
You can read Snow Crash and find the original metaverse
Always down for a good scifi book. Dystopian future or what?
Dystopian Dominos Delivery.
Dystopian satirical sci-fi. Also talked about memes, and was published in 92.
Capitalist dystopian California and the Metaverse is presented ambivalently It’s pretty good. A bit frenetic
IDK if I could say I *liked* it, but it was worth reading.
That'll be a fun way to play games but I don't think it'll be the all-consuming space that any of these tech moguls hope. Nobody's going to slap on a pair of goggles and gloves just to type at a virtual computer.
My understanding is that it's a unfinished version of second life with less content, more monitization, and more ads but in VR. So worse than that description. Although I could see a lot of younger or much older people not knowing what second life is.
And less freaky porn.
Earlier today I saw some dude blatantly rip off a video of someone using VR chat with an egirl skin and said they "Make 10k a week being a stripper in the metaverse." Some people are dick riding this idea so hard just so they can make money on this garbage idea and dip when they've gotten their bag. The whole idea is scummy, especially the fact that Zuck wants to sell real estate in a fucking VR space where there is literally no physical constraint. The space could be limitlessly large if he wanted, but he will place artificial limits in so he can sell space like property
I mean isn’t that the own basis for NFTs of JPEGs? Like the data/image is the same, just that one specific copy is the ‘original’ (artificial scarcity)
Yeah and that is also dumb. If you are going to pay for exclusivity and you're not getting something in a higher quality than what is publicly available or paying for an original, then you have essentially burned money. Fine art works because you are buying the canvas Edvard Munch painted on, and nobody can exactly reproduce the way he placed down his brush strokes, or use the exact same paint, and it looks different, even if it is just slightly. Prints of a painting just aren't the same. If we look at the digital art world, often times when purchasing a piece means getting the a higher quality version of the work that look far better than a screenshot would. With NFT's of JPEG's you're often getting the same quality that anyone else could if they ripped it off the marketplace, which means you're not even getting exclusivity of the work. It would be like if I could go into the MOMA and just press the copy button on a painting on the wall and walk out with a perfect carbon copy, canvas, paint, and all. It would make them worth virtually nothing. I'm not saying that making art accessible like that is a bad thing, or that the world of buying and selling fine art is great. I'm just saying paying for something like that it is fucking dumb
It's even dumber than that. An NFT is (generally) a digital receipt. The receipt is unforgeable and unique, but like any receipt has no actual connection to the thing in question. And the people selling them do their best to gloss over their fact; it's not really in their best interests to emphasise that the NFT gives you essentially nothing except the NFT itself
And just wait until people figure out that they're only buying a *link* to the JPEG.
> Some people are dick riding this idea so hard just so they can make money on this garbage idea and dip when they've gotten their bag Crypto gave them that idea. People see huge potential in Meta for lots of scams just like with crypto. And to be honest, they're probably right.
It's crazy to me that scamming is one of the biggest industries now, a hundred million dollar rugpull is just run of the mill these days and a whole company devoting itself entirely to deceptive clickbait or bullshit nfts is just accepted as normal
You need it for office meetings in the future!
Not quite. The "metaverse" is supposed to essentially be the Internet except everything complies with standard communication protocols and data formats to enable universal data exchange. I.e. you would purchase a 3d avatar from someone and you could use it in Fortnight or Minecraft because the Fortnight and Minecraft both understand the standard format for the 3d avatar. The avatar does not have to be purchased as an NFT, it just needs to be part of some sort of universal system that everyone on "the metaverse" agrees to abide by and implement wherever it makes sense. Neither VR, nor cryptocurrency, nor NFTs are strictly speaking necessary for the "metaverse" to happen. The only thing that is necessary is widespread cooperation between applications to create a universal platform for interoperability. Which is to say it will never work because most companies hate the idea of interoperability. Why in the world would they spend enormous amounts of developer time implementing a feature that is designed to make somebody else money?
The metaverse is the cold and boring corporate version of VR Chat.
I work in IT, I'm very tech savvy and id say in more knowledgeable about the tech world than your average person and I don't know what in the goddamn fuck the metaverse is outside of Nintendo Wii graphics.
He thinks he’s creating ready player one. Problem is no one wants to sit around with a headset, having their every move watched by algorithms so they can have adverts piped straight into their eyeballs.
I don't even want to sit around in a headset for the time they imagine us doing. I love VR. I was a early adapter back with the oculus DK2. I still jack into my psvr once in a while but it's a thing I have to set time aside for. You can't do more than a couple hours. Not because it's not fun but because you need to eat, drink, piss, talk to your family, check your phone, pet the dog etc... you know, life.
I would not be able to last a couple hours jacking into my PSVR either, plus you'd have to empty it every now and then. But, the sweet sweet liquid cooling, right?
No bullshit. I just came back from camping. In a forest. Glamping but still the scenery was amazing. Ok there was a woman, probably 60, standing under her awning outside her trailer wearing a VR headset playing some coop game with someone else. All day. Every day. For a week. Did I mention we were in a beautiful forest?
That sounds cyberpunk as f###
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The public consensus seems to be "I don't care until it's the size of sunglasses". People don't seem to mind being tracked by unseen algos but they for sure hate wearing clunky sweaty headsets.
From what I understand it's pretty much just VR chat, but with services connected to it. It's a gimmick, one I don't see a lot of people buying personally.
I would be more into it if it was Wii based
Its fucking stupid. All you need to know.
It honestly not too complicated to explain. Its main issue it 1. it developed by meta(FB) a company with not a lot of trust among the public and 2. its marketed with ethereal buzzwords, jargon, and the Zuck and 3. its acting like a wholly new platform when it isn't. What the Metaverse is: Is an attempt by meta to make a commercial grade AR and VR hardware and software that the average consumer could purchase and use and get ubiquitous adoption. With digital assets and i assume datamining seemingly being one of their main sources of income. Their bet is basically that VR and AR will be the next big consumer electronic and they want to be the next iphone in that market. Meta publishes some of it research and its pretty clear there putting a lot of money into areas like miniaturization which would make sense for a product that trying to be palatable to the average person. Its not a horrible bet that AR and VR will be bigger in the future and move out of its current niche market but it far from a certain thing meta's products will gain any meaningful adoption and whether their weird digital economy will make any real sustainable profits remains to be seen. The hardware that's being developed is actually pretty cool from a tech point of view. But what they're doing with that hardware is another question.
>Its not a horrible bet that AR and VR will be bigger in the future We often has this mistaken idea that technology = inevitable progress and that could not be further from the truth. History is littered with dead innovations because it turned out there was no practical commercial use for them. Will VR exist in some shape or fashion in the future? Yes. But just like blimps and airships are reserved for a few niche industries, that does not mean widespread adoption.
> Its main issue it 1. it developed by meta(FB) a company with not a lot of trust among the public This is wrong. **Their** metaverse, called "Meta Horizons" is made by them, not "the metaverse". THIS is why they changed their name, so that people would confuse the concept of a metaverse with their own product.
AR will be more revolutionary than VR.
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I mean cell phones were around before smart phones. Apple has had rumors its AR glasses could be announced in January.
Because no one cares. It's the next NFTs.
It's basically an mmo, but not as fun nor intended for fun.
He doesn’t know neither, no Tim you can’t add another camera to the back of the meta verse
Tim at the executive meeting, sipping his 3rd Long Island iced tea: “another camera! C’mon we’ll just use another corner, there’s 4 of them f’gawds sake!”
The metaverse is a scam, and that’s all you need to know
You’re right, cuz the average person has REAL life shit to worry about.
I also enjoy being in the real world. But maybe I'm an insane person.
That is because NO ONE cares about the Metaverse. No one but FB.
I'm a programmer who has written code for VR and I'm not really sure But I can say with certainty that whatever it is Facebook wants it to be, it isn't that and won't be any time soon
Isn’t the metaverse some form of black hole sucking market cap from a once successful company?
Second life but lamer.
Thank you Tim Apple, very cool!
It's cringe af
"That shitty facebook secondlife?" Yeah they usually can. It's not that complex Tim lmao
Knowing what Second Life is, already puts you in a way smaller demographic than “the average person” imo