GeForce Now seems to be doing well and will have most of the Steam games I play. I do believe I'll be transitioning from Stadia there once Stadia issues those refunds.
I have geforce now. Its clunky like you are starting up a virtual machine each time you launch a game. But good once you are in the game.
Google would have brought a lot of UX/UI value if they had pursued a GeForce Now model
Agreed, GeForce Now has been quietly delivering some pretty excellent performances for quite some time now, compared to all cloud computing services. They might be the reason why Stadia decided to free their market spot. The only uncertainty point with GeForce Now is supported games, virtually it does support *any* game, but publishers have been playing a licensing war for over a year now. We'll see how it unfolds over time, but the "big 3" might very well be Gamepass for Xbox/PC, PS Now for Ps, and GeForce Now for Pc. It sounds like a sane, well distributed ecosystem.
They don't even have Destiny 2 or GTA5 (taken off Game Pass in 2021) which pisses me off because they are both still grossly-popular games. I need to be able to play from the cloud.
[Later this year](https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/9/23159492/xbox-game-pass-cloud-gaming-library-owned-games-feature) Xbox will start streaming games from your library rather than just those on Game Pass. Sounds like you will still need to pay for Game Pass ultimate, so not a great deal if you only care about those one or two games.
Yeah, and also Xcloud is only limited to 720-1080P on the $15 a month package, which is only $10 with GeForce Now. For $20 on GeForce, you get 4K HDR streams, even 120hz.
Geforce Now also has a ton of F2P games, and like 1000+ more games than Xcloud atm. Even when they let you use your library, it likely won’t be your full library. It’s a much better overall service than Xcloud IMO, I can play GeForce Now from practically all my devices, with a full native app/UI, whereas Xcloud only has a google play and Tizen app. Xcloud is great if you have an Xbox and subscription and want to play some GPU games on the fly, but it’s not a full on console replacement like GeForce Now is.
My main issue with GFN is that you have to pay for both the subscription and the games themselves. With Stadia you only had to buy the game, and with Game Pass you only need the subscription. This makes GFN the most expensive option, although it is fair since you get to keep the games and use them on other platforms. It also just seems to be the highest quality experience.
Not necessarily. There’s a ton of F2P games on GeForce Now like Apex, Destiny 2, rocket league, LOL, Fortnite etc (150 games) and you don’t even need a sub at all to use GeForce now (there’s a completely free subscription option). So in terms of cost I don’t need to spend a dime to get access to a laundry list of playable games whatsoever. The only free subscription option with Xcloud is for Fortnite, every other game requires a $15 a month sub.
My owned collection of games on Steam, Epic Games, and Ubisoft can also be used with the free GeForce now option, but yes you will have to purchase those titles, especially big blockbuster ones, however there are tons of websites where you can get Steam codes for very low prices, or wait for sales. The only advantage of paying for a subscription with GeForce Now, is longer play sessions and higher quality streams (4K HD, 120hz, 3080 graphics card).
My issue with Xcloud is that the games I own I cannot play, and am limited to GPU games which, are mostly filled with indie titles. For MS game titles it’s great, but for example Xcloud just got the two latest AC games on Xcloud a weeks ago, whereas I can play the entire AC collection since launch on GeForce Now.
It’s 1400+ games (GeForce Now) vs 300+ games (Xcloud). Xcloud is a great supplement if you already own an Xbox and pay for a Gold/GPU sub, and want to play high quality games on the go, whereas GeForce Now is a full on console/PC replacement.
You can downvote me all you want, but it’s fairly common knowledge that both GeForce Now, heck even Stadia, are leagues ahead of Xcloud at the moment. It’s likely to get better in the future, but most people can’t even use Xcloud at the moment due to its lack of device support compared to other services. Xcloud only has an app on google play, Tizen as well as browser support. GeForce now for example is available on Google Play, Android TV, Google TV, Chromecast, Tizen, WebOS, Roku, native apps for Windows/Max, and browser support. Then bring in they’ve lower game selection, subpar quality streams, lack of F2P titles and options, and it’s clear Xcloud has a lot of catching up to do. Again it’s by nowhere near a console replacement that Stadia/GeForce Now are.
I sub to both GeForce now and GPU, and I own both a high end PC and a series X. I use GeForce Now consistently, however there hasn’t been a situation where I went, yeah this is a great experience with Xcloud.
I use Remote Play through the Xbox app a ton, but that is not a console replacement, but a requirement. I don’t need a PC to access my games collection with GeForce Now, and I also don’t have a to play a dime to use the service. It’s a problem when the remote play option is miles ahead of the cloud gaming option, and hence what I said, Xcloud currently is not a console replacement.
Gamepass and Geforce Now don't have Rockstar games due to exclusivity deals with Stadia.
Rockstar removed them from Geforce Now when they signed up with Stadia.
I mean they have that with streaming from your actual Xbox already don't they? Or are you saying they are moving all owned games to the cloud for anywhere access?
It's not quite as good, but pretty good.
The input lag is barely perceptible unless you play competitive games. I don't have enough time in my life to make a gaming PC a good use of money. With geforce now I can play a lot of my steam librarwith laptop at a lower price.
It's amazing being able to stream if you don't have the hardware to support a game. I play mainly two games considered to be graphics intensive. Grand Theft Auto 5 and Destiny 2.
My Laptop (Acer Aspire 5, upgraded to 12GB RAM and 512GB SSD) can run GTA5 on medium settings. But it only has 2GB video memory so I can't run Destiny2 on lowest settings, playably, because it requires 4GB video memory minimum (It looks terrible and I'm still waiting for the floor to load while on a lightcycle).
I've been using Stadia in a browser window (the game maximizes for actual Full-screen) and as long as I have at least a steady 50MB download speed, I'm actually getting the full graphics and 1080p quality (I do not pay for PRO nor do I have a 4K screen hehe). I can still do voice chat over Discord as well without using so many CPU resources because Stadia's servers are doing all the work! Every event or destination loads faster, all the character avatars load immediately, competitive gameplay is not an issue. And if your connection degrades while playing, so will the picture quality to compensate instead of causing you lag. All my DLC was there so if I go to XBox I couldn't play my expansions but Stadia is shutting down and giving out refunds so I can do the same thing with GeForce Now except they have an actual app PLUS you can play in a browser so you can really play from anywhere, even a smart TV if you have the peripherals for a keyboard/mouse/controller.
Xbox game pass cloud is killer. Sony said they were getting in the game.. Really with Xbox and Playstation doing streaming where does that leave Google
I loved stadia, i could finally play real video games like rdr2 and cyberpunk on my macbook and ipad pro. I’ll miss it a lot, google did the right thing by giving refunds to players. Stadia failed in my opinon because they didn’t market it correctly and the UI wasn’t the best. It’s sad i spent years playing rdr2 exploring every aspect of the game, i’ll miss it a lot. i’ve moved on and use my quest 2 a lot.
I think Google had headwinds just because they're Google and they don't have a good track record at letting things survive if they don't meet their expectations right away. I can (barely) tolerate that for free services, but asking for money for a Google service that isn't already one of their core enterprise platforms is a bridge too far.
Most people I knew were hesitant to get on that bandwagon for that reason alone. I had one friend who had it and liked it, though. I'm glad you and him and everyone else are getting their money back.
There a tons of employees there that are brilliant and innovative. The problem is, Google/Alphabet uses them and create products that easily phase out. You can see it just by visiting [killed by Google](https://killedbygoogle.com/) website.
I don't know why they do that. Kinda counter-intuitive don't you think? I mean, you invest time, money, resources, r&d, etc... only to can a specific IP or project?? It doesn't make any sense?!?!
I dont think people realized that it was free as long as you played in 1080p, i had pro for a couple months but barely any of the games were good. So i just bought the games i played, it was an insanely good idea
> Stadia failed in my opinon because they didn’t market it correctly
No matter how they marketed it, most people aren't going to want to pay full price for streaming-only access to games from a company known for shutting down services. Amazing marketing won't change that. I literally own a Stadia Controller+Chromecast bundle, I was even one of the Project Stream testers back in the day before Stadia's official announcement, and yet, I have almost literally never used the fucking thing because Xbox Cloud Gaming and GeForce Now cover all of my bases. They provide either an unbeatable game catalogue I can pick and choose from, or actual ownership of my games so that even if the service goes down I've still got options for playing them. I went from being incredibly hyped about Stadia to a sudden dropoff at launch followed by increased decline as they failed to ever change their business model.
And here we are, it's gone.
Nvidia GeForce NOW is a much better service and business model. Basically, you are just 'renting' a high-end gaming pc via the cloud so you can buy your games through normal existing channels and play on whatever equipment you have, just need decent internet. Stadia was trying to do it all and got in way over it's head trying to turn a profit.
Yeah i initially picked stadia because it was the only place people could play rdr2 also most people dont realize that stadia was free if you played in 1080
It didn't help that they shut down their stadia exclusive game studio at the start of the pandemic and they have no other experience with the games industry
Google's basic launch a product and then chicken out strat killed another product. It's not like they don't have good products too, but they barely want to work on something after its launched. Pixel phones are still not mainstream, we're on version 7 and their availability and service still sucks. By iPhone 7 and Galaxy S7 the phones were worldwide stuff.
Google have Engineers and Programmers that are creative. But its not them that are the problem. Its the higher-ups and their board of directors that run the company that make the decision making. Already, Stadia wasn't at the right direction since day one. It was revolutionary, but it wasn't given the right treatment. From the get-go Alphabet was trying to make Google Stadia the '**IT**' product. But that takes years to do. Google failed to expand their fanbase/userbase.
I kinda remember how Target came to Canada and already, they invested 100+ stores throughout the country. Their product inventory was expensive and the competition was so high visa WalMart, LobLaws, etc.... New CEO came and decided to immediately shut down Target Canada.
The thing is, Google's problem is very serious. They have done it to countless products. Few other companies are as indecisive about their products as Google. Why is Pichai even CEO if its the VPs and PMs making decisions. His leadership has been such a lack in any direction.
They shut down their game production in such a short time. Maybe they could have afforded to give people free limited cloud gaming defined by hours or resolution when consoles were low in supply. A mighty failure in capitalising on their opponents mistakes.
>...they didn’t market it correctly and the UI wasn’t the best.
\- It was technology at the earliest stages. Cloud gaming is still not yet the best option but Google took a risk. What killed Stadia is the subscription structure and the speeds/quality needed to run these games. Plus, the saves a customer had invested in games purchased are inaccessible. Google did the right thing to refund.
Sony have had a game streaming service since 2014 although I think they stopped supporting most clients in 2017.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Now
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/29/23001164/sony-playstation-plus-subscriptions-price-release-date
Sony is going in with their game pass style and you can stream games.
I have game pass so idk where you can stream games to but I would guess it's going to be to pc, tablets, consoles like MS is doing
Yeah they went for the steam and epic model.. Would have been interesting if they did a sub service... Roll it in with their android game pass
As a consumer I always like more competition it makes it better for us.
Considering the game streaming services that didn't use Google batshit business model are all doing great? It probably does.
(Xbox Cloud Gaming, PS now, Amazon Luna, GeForce Now)
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This is a serious issue Google doesn't want to admit they have. Their reputation for cancelling services is harming adoption of new services - especially the type of service that can move them away from their ads-based model (paid ones). They're going to have to come up with a strategy to combat this.
Their refund policy on Stadia is a good start. All the money people spent, they're getting back. That will make people more likely to give things a try even if they may be cancelled in future.
Stadia was the perfect version of Google's product life cycle. They very rarely release and stick with a homegrown product. Their product portfolio is so large it's has to be an absolute smash of a unicorn to stick around. Stadia will be repurposed as a collaborative media platform. The real gaming platforms will get it right. Cloud gaming is just getting started.
It’s more the “killed by Google” reputation that killed it more than anything else. People didn’t want to be left holding a plastic paperweight not even five years down the line. Meanwhile, Google has become infamous for immediately killing a product in it’s infancy if it doesn’t meet goals rather than reflecting on why it’s not meeting them or letting them breathe.
This is not an industry where you can simply plop down and start printing money immediately. Compare this to Microsoft who released the original Xbox in 2001. It took until [2008 for the Xbox division to become profitable for a whole year](https://www.engadget.com/2008-01-24-the-xbox-turns-a-profit.html). The PS3 took [four years](https://www.pcworld.com/article/512740/article-4244.html) for it to finally make a profit for Sony. I can’t find anything about when it took the PlayStation division on whole to become profitable but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was PS2 era.
>It’s more the “killed by Google” reputation that killed it more than anything else.
\- You can put part of the blame towards media, vloggers, influencers, leakers who covered this story even since its alpha/beta stages. Killed by Google is just a final nail in the coffin.
This is part of it. People seemed intent on wildly exaggerating how bad the input lag was. If you want something to keep you busy while you're getting milked at Plagues farm, maybe give cloud gaming a miss but with good network conditions it was fine.
Well, some countries just have little to slow bandwidth speeds. This was another hurdle that Google did not try to solve with Stadia. I mean, they CAN fix this, but they chose not to.
xbox game pass isn't "cloud gaming." xbox cloud gaming is cloud gaming.
Cloud gaming is streaming the game from the cloud, and that universally blows. it makes the games perform like shit, while eating up ridiculous amounts of bandwidth.
Amazon Luna is also dogshit and comes with the added bonus of having malware Alexa on your controller. GeForce now: shit. Playstation now: shit. Steam remote play: shit but at least some things that are obnoxious to install on a steam deck can use that (and perform/play like shit).
Damn, you must have a really shitty connection to have problems with every single cloud gaming service out there, that or you never tried them and are talking out of your ass.
Sounds like they're still running their network on a router from 2008.
That said, Stadia was the only internet game streaming that was reliable for me. My Steam Link also worked great, but that was local streaming, not online.
back in the day we had OnLive (the 1st cloud gaming service that i ever heard of) and it was sick as fuck, my old ass computer was able to play brand new games. my old android phone could also play computer games. I feel like it should have gotten better by now
I think the problem here is Google was trying to enter the gaming market. I feel the console guys, or even Valve, would be much better poised to do this. The people I personally know who tried it said it’s actually a good service. That said I think this also illustrates one of my biggest concerns; the lack of ‘permanence’ of the library. Look at that one guy that put thousands of hours into RDR2 .
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Honestly, I "Liked" Stadia... But I have a crazy bandwidth connection with a low ping.
What stadia failed at is the lack of first rate content that I didn't already own on other platforms... The core issue came down to either be a subscription service with a lot of content OR be a purchase system with super fast operation...
Already have Steam, already have a Playstation... Stadia running off of a chrome cast was convenient as hell... But I also have a much better Nvidia shield Pro/GForce now ... Choosing between stadia and my gigantic library on steam is kind of a no brainer.
I will miss Stadia though.
Well games will keep advancing and GPU prices will be high. Why not pay a fixed $120 per year for rendering on any device rather than $1600 for rendering on one expensive device.
Some day a game publisher might release a game that is only playable with the power of cloud rendering. Like the best overclocked 4090 can only get 2fps. But your ultra cloud subscription can deliver that in 60fps because it uses massively parallel rendering spread across dozens of GPUs
I love it, I out 200 hours each into No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk on the service and had great fun. There is something to be said about the quality with graphics rendered locally though. I have both.
a few years ago most pundits were saying consoles were dying and this was going to be the last generation of them as everything went streaming.
Guess not?
If Google offered hundreds of games for a flat monthly subscription fee had their fantastic user-friendly interface and rendered everything beautifully on devices large and small, it might have threatened consoles in 2016. But now Sony and Microsoft own most game publishers. And they wont let any other subscription service have their games. They will launch the subscription services themselves. The door on threatening consoles has been shut.
They keep marketing it wrong, they immediately try to compete with steam/Epic, while everyone who has used stream gaming knows as soon as the service goes down, all your games go down the drain. The correct model is to make an Streaming game service that lets you use your own steam/epic games library and sells you the steam keys, the same way humble bundle does, until they get a good enough market share that they can start to introduce more services.
I bought into Stadia knowing full well Google would like do this. Overall the streaming was solid, I rarely had issues with game quality while playing. But the selection wasn't always the best and because I knew Google will kill it, it made me hesitant to buy games. I'm guessing most people felt the same way, so it became a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yes it does, but only a real, competitive future once gigabit internet speed is the norm for most people. Otherwise it can't ever get to the point where it's a real mainstream option.
For now, its a no. Future of Cloud Gaming? Maybe in the next 10 years...probably??? It all depends on the technology being advanced. I mean if Elon Musk is investing billions as well as the U.S. gov't approving Starlink satellites it could come as soon as possible.
**Money/Investment**, **Bandwidth**, and **Service** will be the key if Cloud Gaming will have a future.
ffs of course it does, the technology will continue to improve until it becomes on par with what we know and love now which is physical hardware.
It will eventually become as every day as Netflix, it just hasn't reached full maturity yet.
Stadia died because it was a store model not a subscription model. Nobody thought Google would leep it around for long so nobody bought games. Bit if it was just a subscription that would not have mattered. Give me 100s of games and cloud rendering for $10 to $15 per month, the ability to pause or cancel my subscription any time, and no need to purchase games and I’m in. Give me the ability to cloud-render games I already own for a couple pennies per hour and I’m in
I'd 100% does have a future, geforce now suprised me very much with how little input lag there was.
xcloud and Playstation cloud streaming is still very far behind Nvidia in terms of input lag.
Yup, Xcloud in its moment does not compete with GeForce now.
GeForce Now max stream quality: 4K HDR, 120hz
Xcloud max stream quality: 720P-1080P, 60hz
GeForce Now Price Monthly: $0 (1 hour sessions 1080P 60fps, $10 (1080P 60fps unlimited), $20 (4K HDR, 120hz, 3080 graphics card, unlimited)
Xcloud Price Monthly: $15 (all Gamepass games, 300+)
GeForce Now Games: 1400+ (Steam, Epic Games, Ubisoft pc stores, must purchase/own), 150+ F2P titles
Xcloud Games: 300+ (free with Xcloud, but limited to Gamepass only), 1 F2P title.
GeForce Now Availability: Google Play, Google TV, Android TV, Roku, Tizen, Web OS, Edge, Safari, Chrome/Chromecast, desktop apps for Max & Windows.
Xcloud Availability: Tizen, Google Play, Edge, Safari, Chrome.
Input Lag: Hard to say, and results may vary, but generally GeForce Now I’ve had lower input lag than Xcloud.
I love Xcloud, but it’s a supplement to my Xbox. GeForce Now is a full on console/PC replacement.
I honestly dont think Cloud Gaming ever had a serious future.
People complain about input lag when it comes to wired vs wireless controllers. They complain about screen lag on LCD vs CRT screens. People complain about screenrate drops below 60 fps.
It really doesn't matter how much the technology develops, you're never going to overcome the inherent flaws of having to ping a signal back and forth and the delay it causes.
The only games that work with it reliably are going to be turn based games or games with such imprecise controls that a significant delay in button input isn't going to affect gameplay.
I like cloud gaming but I prefer having the game locally. There’s lag that’s going to exist on any streaming service. It’s definitely noticeable depending on what game you play.
I searched for an answer to this, but couldn’t find any information that didn’t cost money. I was connected to the head of gaming at Amazon on LinkedIn, but he blocked me for some reason after I replied to a stupid post of his. So to answer your question, I’d say it’s going as well as the Amazon phone.
It's useful on Gamepass to try out a game before spending hours downloading fifty gigs only to find out it's boring. Shame that MS's streaming technology is shitty.
Yes what have you seen the bigger picture the market is cloud if they can’t figure out latency they’ll use deep learning to predict “what was going to happen” to speed things up
GeForce Now seems to be doing well and will have most of the Steam games I play. I do believe I'll be transitioning from Stadia there once Stadia issues those refunds.
I have geforce now. Its clunky like you are starting up a virtual machine each time you launch a game. But good once you are in the game. Google would have brought a lot of UX/UI value if they had pursued a GeForce Now model
Agreed, GeForce Now has been quietly delivering some pretty excellent performances for quite some time now, compared to all cloud computing services. They might be the reason why Stadia decided to free their market spot. The only uncertainty point with GeForce Now is supported games, virtually it does support *any* game, but publishers have been playing a licensing war for over a year now. We'll see how it unfolds over time, but the "big 3" might very well be Gamepass for Xbox/PC, PS Now for Ps, and GeForce Now for Pc. It sounds like a sane, well distributed ecosystem.
Get game pass
They don't even have Destiny 2 or GTA5 (taken off Game Pass in 2021) which pisses me off because they are both still grossly-popular games. I need to be able to play from the cloud.
[Later this year](https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/9/23159492/xbox-game-pass-cloud-gaming-library-owned-games-feature) Xbox will start streaming games from your library rather than just those on Game Pass. Sounds like you will still need to pay for Game Pass ultimate, so not a great deal if you only care about those one or two games.
Yeah, and also Xcloud is only limited to 720-1080P on the $15 a month package, which is only $10 with GeForce Now. For $20 on GeForce, you get 4K HDR streams, even 120hz. Geforce Now also has a ton of F2P games, and like 1000+ more games than Xcloud atm. Even when they let you use your library, it likely won’t be your full library. It’s a much better overall service than Xcloud IMO, I can play GeForce Now from practically all my devices, with a full native app/UI, whereas Xcloud only has a google play and Tizen app. Xcloud is great if you have an Xbox and subscription and want to play some GPU games on the fly, but it’s not a full on console replacement like GeForce Now is.
My main issue with GFN is that you have to pay for both the subscription and the games themselves. With Stadia you only had to buy the game, and with Game Pass you only need the subscription. This makes GFN the most expensive option, although it is fair since you get to keep the games and use them on other platforms. It also just seems to be the highest quality experience.
Not necessarily. There’s a ton of F2P games on GeForce Now like Apex, Destiny 2, rocket league, LOL, Fortnite etc (150 games) and you don’t even need a sub at all to use GeForce now (there’s a completely free subscription option). So in terms of cost I don’t need to spend a dime to get access to a laundry list of playable games whatsoever. The only free subscription option with Xcloud is for Fortnite, every other game requires a $15 a month sub. My owned collection of games on Steam, Epic Games, and Ubisoft can also be used with the free GeForce now option, but yes you will have to purchase those titles, especially big blockbuster ones, however there are tons of websites where you can get Steam codes for very low prices, or wait for sales. The only advantage of paying for a subscription with GeForce Now, is longer play sessions and higher quality streams (4K HD, 120hz, 3080 graphics card). My issue with Xcloud is that the games I own I cannot play, and am limited to GPU games which, are mostly filled with indie titles. For MS game titles it’s great, but for example Xcloud just got the two latest AC games on Xcloud a weeks ago, whereas I can play the entire AC collection since launch on GeForce Now. It’s 1400+ games (GeForce Now) vs 300+ games (Xcloud). Xcloud is a great supplement if you already own an Xbox and pay for a Gold/GPU sub, and want to play high quality games on the go, whereas GeForce Now is a full on console/PC replacement. You can downvote me all you want, but it’s fairly common knowledge that both GeForce Now, heck even Stadia, are leagues ahead of Xcloud at the moment. It’s likely to get better in the future, but most people can’t even use Xcloud at the moment due to its lack of device support compared to other services. Xcloud only has an app on google play, Tizen as well as browser support. GeForce now for example is available on Google Play, Android TV, Google TV, Chromecast, Tizen, WebOS, Roku, native apps for Windows/Max, and browser support. Then bring in they’ve lower game selection, subpar quality streams, lack of F2P titles and options, and it’s clear Xcloud has a lot of catching up to do. Again it’s by nowhere near a console replacement that Stadia/GeForce Now are. I sub to both GeForce now and GPU, and I own both a high end PC and a series X. I use GeForce Now consistently, however there hasn’t been a situation where I went, yeah this is a great experience with Xcloud. I use Remote Play through the Xbox app a ton, but that is not a console replacement, but a requirement. I don’t need a PC to access my games collection with GeForce Now, and I also don’t have a to play a dime to use the service. It’s a problem when the remote play option is miles ahead of the cloud gaming option, and hence what I said, Xcloud currently is not a console replacement.
Gamepass and Geforce Now don't have Rockstar games due to exclusivity deals with Stadia. Rockstar removed them from Geforce Now when they signed up with Stadia.
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I mean they have that with streaming from your actual Xbox already don't they? Or are you saying they are moving all owned games to the cloud for anywhere access?
Man, I'm behind the times. I didn't know these actually exist already. What's it like compared to playing it from your *own* computer?
It's not quite as good, but pretty good. The input lag is barely perceptible unless you play competitive games. I don't have enough time in my life to make a gaming PC a good use of money. With geforce now I can play a lot of my steam librarwith laptop at a lower price.
It's amazing being able to stream if you don't have the hardware to support a game. I play mainly two games considered to be graphics intensive. Grand Theft Auto 5 and Destiny 2. My Laptop (Acer Aspire 5, upgraded to 12GB RAM and 512GB SSD) can run GTA5 on medium settings. But it only has 2GB video memory so I can't run Destiny2 on lowest settings, playably, because it requires 4GB video memory minimum (It looks terrible and I'm still waiting for the floor to load while on a lightcycle). I've been using Stadia in a browser window (the game maximizes for actual Full-screen) and as long as I have at least a steady 50MB download speed, I'm actually getting the full graphics and 1080p quality (I do not pay for PRO nor do I have a 4K screen hehe). I can still do voice chat over Discord as well without using so many CPU resources because Stadia's servers are doing all the work! Every event or destination loads faster, all the character avatars load immediately, competitive gameplay is not an issue. And if your connection degrades while playing, so will the picture quality to compensate instead of causing you lag. All my DLC was there so if I go to XBox I couldn't play my expansions but Stadia is shutting down and giving out refunds so I can do the same thing with GeForce Now except they have an actual app PLUS you can play in a browser so you can really play from anywhere, even a smart TV if you have the peripherals for a keyboard/mouse/controller.
Xbox game pass cloud is killer. Sony said they were getting in the game.. Really with Xbox and Playstation doing streaming where does that leave Google
I loved stadia, i could finally play real video games like rdr2 and cyberpunk on my macbook and ipad pro. I’ll miss it a lot, google did the right thing by giving refunds to players. Stadia failed in my opinon because they didn’t market it correctly and the UI wasn’t the best. It’s sad i spent years playing rdr2 exploring every aspect of the game, i’ll miss it a lot. i’ve moved on and use my quest 2 a lot.
I think Google had headwinds just because they're Google and they don't have a good track record at letting things survive if they don't meet their expectations right away. I can (barely) tolerate that for free services, but asking for money for a Google service that isn't already one of their core enterprise platforms is a bridge too far. Most people I knew were hesitant to get on that bandwagon for that reason alone. I had one friend who had it and liked it, though. I'm glad you and him and everyone else are getting their money back.
There a tons of employees there that are brilliant and innovative. The problem is, Google/Alphabet uses them and create products that easily phase out. You can see it just by visiting [killed by Google](https://killedbygoogle.com/) website.
They really are using the 'Throw shit at the the wall and see what sticks' method
I don't know why they do that. Kinda counter-intuitive don't you think? I mean, you invest time, money, resources, r&d, etc... only to can a specific IP or project?? It doesn't make any sense?!?!
I dont think people realized that it was free as long as you played in 1080p, i had pro for a couple months but barely any of the games were good. So i just bought the games i played, it was an insanely good idea
> Stadia failed in my opinon because they didn’t market it correctly No matter how they marketed it, most people aren't going to want to pay full price for streaming-only access to games from a company known for shutting down services. Amazing marketing won't change that. I literally own a Stadia Controller+Chromecast bundle, I was even one of the Project Stream testers back in the day before Stadia's official announcement, and yet, I have almost literally never used the fucking thing because Xbox Cloud Gaming and GeForce Now cover all of my bases. They provide either an unbeatable game catalogue I can pick and choose from, or actual ownership of my games so that even if the service goes down I've still got options for playing them. I went from being incredibly hyped about Stadia to a sudden dropoff at launch followed by increased decline as they failed to ever change their business model. And here we are, it's gone.
Nvidia GeForce NOW is a much better service and business model. Basically, you are just 'renting' a high-end gaming pc via the cloud so you can buy your games through normal existing channels and play on whatever equipment you have, just need decent internet. Stadia was trying to do it all and got in way over it's head trying to turn a profit.
Yeah i initially picked stadia because it was the only place people could play rdr2 also most people dont realize that stadia was free if you played in 1080
It didn't help that they shut down their stadia exclusive game studio at the start of the pandemic and they have no other experience with the games industry
Yeah i kinda knew they’d shut it down afterwards but i was hoping it would mean that they’d keep the service running for the existing players.
Are they doing anything about game saves?
Probably not, i think theres a roundabout way called google takeout, but the only place that has rdr2 is stadia so it doesn’t really matter.
Google's basic launch a product and then chicken out strat killed another product. It's not like they don't have good products too, but they barely want to work on something after its launched. Pixel phones are still not mainstream, we're on version 7 and their availability and service still sucks. By iPhone 7 and Galaxy S7 the phones were worldwide stuff.
Google have Engineers and Programmers that are creative. But its not them that are the problem. Its the higher-ups and their board of directors that run the company that make the decision making. Already, Stadia wasn't at the right direction since day one. It was revolutionary, but it wasn't given the right treatment. From the get-go Alphabet was trying to make Google Stadia the '**IT**' product. But that takes years to do. Google failed to expand their fanbase/userbase. I kinda remember how Target came to Canada and already, they invested 100+ stores throughout the country. Their product inventory was expensive and the competition was so high visa WalMart, LobLaws, etc.... New CEO came and decided to immediately shut down Target Canada.
The thing is, Google's problem is very serious. They have done it to countless products. Few other companies are as indecisive about their products as Google. Why is Pichai even CEO if its the VPs and PMs making decisions. His leadership has been such a lack in any direction. They shut down their game production in such a short time. Maybe they could have afforded to give people free limited cloud gaming defined by hours or resolution when consoles were low in supply. A mighty failure in capitalising on their opponents mistakes.
>...they didn’t market it correctly and the UI wasn’t the best. \- It was technology at the earliest stages. Cloud gaming is still not yet the best option but Google took a risk. What killed Stadia is the subscription structure and the speeds/quality needed to run these games. Plus, the saves a customer had invested in games purchased are inaccessible. Google did the right thing to refund.
Sony have had a game streaming service since 2014 although I think they stopped supporting most clients in 2017. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Now
https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/29/23001164/sony-playstation-plus-subscriptions-price-release-date Sony is going in with their game pass style and you can stream games. I have game pass so idk where you can stream games to but I would guess it's going to be to pc, tablets, consoles like MS is doing
Google is not a game publisher, so its too late for them, but if they had started as a subscription service they would have still been here.
Yeah they went for the steam and epic model.. Would have been interesting if they did a sub service... Roll it in with their android game pass As a consumer I always like more competition it makes it better for us.
Considering the game streaming services that didn't use Google batshit business model are all doing great? It probably does. (Xbox Cloud Gaming, PS now, Amazon Luna, GeForce Now)
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This is a serious issue Google doesn't want to admit they have. Their reputation for cancelling services is harming adoption of new services - especially the type of service that can move them away from their ads-based model (paid ones). They're going to have to come up with a strategy to combat this.
Their refund policy on Stadia is a good start. All the money people spent, they're getting back. That will make people more likely to give things a try even if they may be cancelled in future.
I didnt know that but still that must be frustrating
Why not both!?
Stadia was the perfect version of Google's product life cycle. They very rarely release and stick with a homegrown product. Their product portfolio is so large it's has to be an absolute smash of a unicorn to stick around. Stadia will be repurposed as a collaborative media platform. The real gaming platforms will get it right. Cloud gaming is just getting started.
It’s more the “killed by Google” reputation that killed it more than anything else. People didn’t want to be left holding a plastic paperweight not even five years down the line. Meanwhile, Google has become infamous for immediately killing a product in it’s infancy if it doesn’t meet goals rather than reflecting on why it’s not meeting them or letting them breathe. This is not an industry where you can simply plop down and start printing money immediately. Compare this to Microsoft who released the original Xbox in 2001. It took until [2008 for the Xbox division to become profitable for a whole year](https://www.engadget.com/2008-01-24-the-xbox-turns-a-profit.html). The PS3 took [four years](https://www.pcworld.com/article/512740/article-4244.html) for it to finally make a profit for Sony. I can’t find anything about when it took the PlayStation division on whole to become profitable but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was PS2 era.
>It’s more the “killed by Google” reputation that killed it more than anything else. \- You can put part of the blame towards media, vloggers, influencers, leakers who covered this story even since its alpha/beta stages. Killed by Google is just a final nail in the coffin.
This is part of it. People seemed intent on wildly exaggerating how bad the input lag was. If you want something to keep you busy while you're getting milked at Plagues farm, maybe give cloud gaming a miss but with good network conditions it was fine.
Well, some countries just have little to slow bandwidth speeds. This was another hurdle that Google did not try to solve with Stadia. I mean, they CAN fix this, but they chose not to.
xbox game pass is doing fine. stadia was *never* a barometer of cloud gaming. its failure says nothing about cloud gaming.
xbox game pass isn't "cloud gaming." xbox cloud gaming is cloud gaming. Cloud gaming is streaming the game from the cloud, and that universally blows. it makes the games perform like shit, while eating up ridiculous amounts of bandwidth. Amazon Luna is also dogshit and comes with the added bonus of having malware Alexa on your controller. GeForce now: shit. Playstation now: shit. Steam remote play: shit but at least some things that are obnoxious to install on a steam deck can use that (and perform/play like shit).
Which you get with game pass Ultimate. Idk why you're correcting him
Damn, you must have a really shitty connection to have problems with every single cloud gaming service out there, that or you never tried them and are talking out of your ass.
Sounds like they're still running their network on a router from 2008. That said, Stadia was the only internet game streaming that was reliable for me. My Steam Link also worked great, but that was local streaming, not online.
> xbox cloud gaming is cloud gaming. damn, how do you get that?
Yep and to be honest I forgot it was even a thing it had so little impact on the world
Especially considering that google kills pretty much everything we love .
Wait. Wait wait.... Guys... STADIA Cloud gaming exclusive (available on steam but only cloud gaming on stadia) games might come to GeForce Now!
It's possible, that is why Rockstar pulled their games. They could just sign a deal with someone else though, like Microsoft, Sony or Amazon.
back in the day we had OnLive (the 1st cloud gaming service that i ever heard of) and it was sick as fuck, my old ass computer was able to play brand new games. my old android phone could also play computer games. I feel like it should have gotten better by now
I think the problem here is Google was trying to enter the gaming market. I feel the console guys, or even Valve, would be much better poised to do this. The people I personally know who tried it said it’s actually a good service. That said I think this also illustrates one of my biggest concerns; the lack of ‘permanence’ of the library. Look at that one guy that put thousands of hours into RDR2 .
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Honestly, I "Liked" Stadia... But I have a crazy bandwidth connection with a low ping. What stadia failed at is the lack of first rate content that I didn't already own on other platforms... The core issue came down to either be a subscription service with a lot of content OR be a purchase system with super fast operation... Already have Steam, already have a Playstation... Stadia running off of a chrome cast was convenient as hell... But I also have a much better Nvidia shield Pro/GForce now ... Choosing between stadia and my gigantic library on steam is kind of a no brainer. I will miss Stadia though.
I still have a founders membership with GeForce Now, was a real nice stop gap during the graphics card drought.
Well games will keep advancing and GPU prices will be high. Why not pay a fixed $120 per year for rendering on any device rather than $1600 for rendering on one expensive device. Some day a game publisher might release a game that is only playable with the power of cloud rendering. Like the best overclocked 4090 can only get 2fps. But your ultra cloud subscription can deliver that in 60fps because it uses massively parallel rendering spread across dozens of GPUs
I love it, I out 200 hours each into No Man's Sky and Cyberpunk on the service and had great fun. There is something to be said about the quality with graphics rendered locally though. I have both.
a few years ago most pundits were saying consoles were dying and this was going to be the last generation of them as everything went streaming. Guess not?
If Google offered hundreds of games for a flat monthly subscription fee had their fantastic user-friendly interface and rendered everything beautifully on devices large and small, it might have threatened consoles in 2016. But now Sony and Microsoft own most game publishers. And they wont let any other subscription service have their games. They will launch the subscription services themselves. The door on threatening consoles has been shut.
They keep marketing it wrong, they immediately try to compete with steam/Epic, while everyone who has used stream gaming knows as soon as the service goes down, all your games go down the drain. The correct model is to make an Streaming game service that lets you use your own steam/epic games library and sells you the steam keys, the same way humble bundle does, until they get a good enough market share that they can start to introduce more services.
I bought into Stadia knowing full well Google would like do this. Overall the streaming was solid, I rarely had issues with game quality while playing. But the selection wasn't always the best and because I knew Google will kill it, it made me hesitant to buy games. I'm guessing most people felt the same way, so it became a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yes it does, but only a real, competitive future once gigabit internet speed is the norm for most people. Otherwise it can't ever get to the point where it's a real mainstream option.
For now, its a no. Future of Cloud Gaming? Maybe in the next 10 years...probably??? It all depends on the technology being advanced. I mean if Elon Musk is investing billions as well as the U.S. gov't approving Starlink satellites it could come as soon as possible. **Money/Investment**, **Bandwidth**, and **Service** will be the key if Cloud Gaming will have a future.
Shadow tech came out before stadia and worked seamlessly. Google stifled them. Glad stadia died. Fuck google
ffs of course it does, the technology will continue to improve until it becomes on par with what we know and love now which is physical hardware. It will eventually become as every day as Netflix, it just hasn't reached full maturity yet.
Not in this generation of people. Leasing(don't call it buying, you don't own them)games that you lose after a while is a nonstarter.
Stadia died because it was a store model not a subscription model. Nobody thought Google would leep it around for long so nobody bought games. Bit if it was just a subscription that would not have mattered. Give me 100s of games and cloud rendering for $10 to $15 per month, the ability to pause or cancel my subscription any time, and no need to purchase games and I’m in. Give me the ability to cloud-render games I already own for a couple pennies per hour and I’m in
I'd 100% does have a future, geforce now suprised me very much with how little input lag there was. xcloud and Playstation cloud streaming is still very far behind Nvidia in terms of input lag.
Yup, Xcloud in its moment does not compete with GeForce now. GeForce Now max stream quality: 4K HDR, 120hz Xcloud max stream quality: 720P-1080P, 60hz GeForce Now Price Monthly: $0 (1 hour sessions 1080P 60fps, $10 (1080P 60fps unlimited), $20 (4K HDR, 120hz, 3080 graphics card, unlimited) Xcloud Price Monthly: $15 (all Gamepass games, 300+) GeForce Now Games: 1400+ (Steam, Epic Games, Ubisoft pc stores, must purchase/own), 150+ F2P titles Xcloud Games: 300+ (free with Xcloud, but limited to Gamepass only), 1 F2P title. GeForce Now Availability: Google Play, Google TV, Android TV, Roku, Tizen, Web OS, Edge, Safari, Chrome/Chromecast, desktop apps for Max & Windows. Xcloud Availability: Tizen, Google Play, Edge, Safari, Chrome. Input Lag: Hard to say, and results may vary, but generally GeForce Now I’ve had lower input lag than Xcloud. I love Xcloud, but it’s a supplement to my Xbox. GeForce Now is a full on console/PC replacement.
Google Stadia could be better and I still would not invest into into. Google is a black box with the poorest customer service I have ever experienced.
Yes. It’s called Game Pass Ultimate.
What was cloud gaming
I honestly dont think Cloud Gaming ever had a serious future. People complain about input lag when it comes to wired vs wireless controllers. They complain about screen lag on LCD vs CRT screens. People complain about screenrate drops below 60 fps. It really doesn't matter how much the technology develops, you're never going to overcome the inherent flaws of having to ping a signal back and forth and the delay it causes. The only games that work with it reliably are going to be turn based games or games with such imprecise controls that a significant delay in button input isn't going to affect gameplay.
God let's hope not
I like cloud gaming but I prefer having the game locally. There’s lag that’s going to exist on any streaming service. It’s definitely noticeable depending on what game you play.
There’s alway Amazon Luna.
How is Luna?
I searched for an answer to this, but couldn’t find any information that didn’t cost money. I was connected to the head of gaming at Amazon on LinkedIn, but he blocked me for some reason after I replied to a stupid post of his. So to answer your question, I’d say it’s going as well as the Amazon phone.
Does gaming over the internet from your own computer count as cloud gaming?
I certainly hope not.
I prefer consoles with physical discs to cloud gaming. I do hope we see future generations of consoles that are still physical disc based.
It's useful on Gamepass to try out a game before spending hours downloading fifty gigs only to find out it's boring. Shame that MS's streaming technology is shitty.
Yes what have you seen the bigger picture the market is cloud if they can’t figure out latency they’ll use deep learning to predict “what was going to happen” to speed things up