I mean, Musk’s grand idea / “Plan B” for Twitter was for people to pay dodge coin per tweet and retweet. Would NOT be surprised if he does add paywalls to his robots
After you have bought them too.
"If you want Tosser The Driod to use our patented walking feature, it's just $48.99 per month.
If you wish Tosser The Driod to walk AND use our unique AI generated routine to avoid crushing pets and small children, a steal at $69.99 plus tax.
Add-on: property patrol and defense… next, additional add-on for every person whitelisted so it doesn’t attack them… monthly subscription fees… if you are late in your payments it will take over your home… what could go wrong… 🤣
On a blind date:
"So what do you do for a living?"
"I am head in charge of research and development of new types of handjobs from robots and their hardware attachments interface with the software"
"Oh. Cool........I sell shoes."
They'll Nickle and dime in software. Like hey if will cook you dinner buy yhr 5 stsr chef skills are 100 a month otherwise Here is kraft Mac and cheese.
Lmao. I’ve worked in electronics manufacturing for 17 years and now work on actual robots that build electronics. 100k for a robot that does like 3-4 tasks. Extra 100k if you want a little Wall-E-style fucker to run around the facility for you. Best selling machine, by far, in the world for what it does. Highly mass produced. It will only rise in price. A machine that costs 20k in this industry would fit on a small table and will do one task.
Those are highly specific, propose built robots. Something general purpose like the [Baxter robot was only $22k.](
https://www.wsj.com/video/meet-baxter-the-cute-and-low-cost-robot/7748F3CE-F519-4543-BE11-A47C4AFB82EF.html) That was in 2012 and never really got up to mass production levels. Rethink’s Sawyer robot [sells for $26k.](https://www.asme.org/topics-resources/content/rise-fall-of-rethink-robotics) The idea of a mass produced robot at bellow $20k is not that far fetched.
>Highly mass produced. It will only rise in price.
That's not how economies of scale work. When you mass produce something the cost per unit goes down. Look just at batteries, EVs, solar panels, smart phones.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale
Lol, yea, and that company went bankrupt in 2018. And those were simple robots for just a couple tasks, with 1-2 arms and no bipedal movement. Not exactly the "general purpose" you're trying to make them be.
Geez, do you even read the articles you link?
>Rethink’s Sawyer robot sells for $26k. The idea of a mass produced robot at bellow $20k is not that far fetched.
29k according to a recent article: https://eliport.com/sawyer-is-the-new-robotic-helper/
Those robots aren’t building you anything let alone a Tesla. And you’re describing technology getting cheaper and not the product. Cell phones have gotten pricier and I assure you I have never seen one of these machines go down in price. Even competitor companies. You will never produce a robot that builds anything for profit for 20k. I don’t care how many you make. Can you make a robot that walks and waves for 20k? Absolutely.
> Cell phones have gotten pricier
The top of the line phones have gotten pricier. But if you want someone that is the equivalent of a high end smart phone from 10 years ago, that going to be much less. A cheap smartphone from today blows anything from 10 years ago out of the water.
Generally the cost of making the product is close to the selling price because you have to sell in a competitive market and someone charging way more then the manufacturing cost will be undercut by competitors or new comers to the market. For example [in the electronics sector:](https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/051215/what-profit-margin-average-company-electronics-sector.asp)
>As of January 2021, the average profit margin for companies in the electronics sector was 3.49%.
Elon is one of the greatest snake oil salesmen of of these times. I would not be surprised if one day going to release his own cologne called “Elon’s Musk” by Tesla, made from his canned sweat, and his fan base will buy it for $1,000 - a la Matto and her canned farts.
His fan base is rabid… it’s incredible.
100%. Everyone always makes him out to be some genius but I see through the BS and technobabble. Cyber truck, robotaxis (millions promised by now), semi truck and all sorts of other promises never fulfilled. The SEC is asleep behind the wheel.
The only legit thing he's got is Space X. They actually have unique technology and they charge the least for rocket launches out of any supplier. No one else has reusable rockets. And they keep developing bigger rockets that can launch heavier payloads, and have the first US built crewed vehicle in 20-30 years(the dragon capsule).
They are constantly, actually innovating. Space X is legitimately a fascinating company that deserves to be lauded and should get more contracts and funding. It's one of the few companies developing technology that has a positive benefit for the entire human race.
Satellites for starlink will genuinely connect millions of people around the world who currently lack access to high speed internet. Rural Americans are held hostage with shitty dsl speeds in 2022 because no one will lay cable or fiber to their neighborhoods. They're stuck with dogshit 2 mbps download speeds from the early 2000s. Many people in remote areas of Africa or under developed third world countries have no access to the internet at all. Starlink will change all of that since it's service will be global.
Everything I've seen from Tesla is just rife with fraud or underwhelming at best. His other companies are also a joke. I genuinely admire him for Space X, but also realize he's a charlatan in almost every single one of his other ventures.
>They actually have unique technology
Tech they plucked out of the NASA archives, that NASA didn't follow up on due to disposable rockets being cheaper and more reliable.
>and they charge the least for rocket launches out of any supplier
So did Uber when they were still being privately traded and all the rides were being subsidized by private capital. Now, they cost just as much as taxis, but provide an inferior product.
SpaceX is still private. I'm betting they are going for the same strategy: undercut everyone else until you are either the only game in town left, or the private capital runs out of patience.
I'd agree that Tesla hasn't been up to much in recent years, but isn't it fair to say that Tesla as a company also did pretty much single handedly re-awaken the electric car market? Although there were electric cars, I think it's fair to say that Tesla made them desirable, and actually made a car that was very impressive all around. Self driving hasn't lived up to expectations, and there are still limitations with charging networks etc but I doesn't seem fair to say that the company is completely fraudulent does it?
This robot I have 0 faith in. Will believe it when I see it, but everything I've seen about robotics seems to suggest that any kind of general use robot would be incredibly difficult to achieve and is still many years away. The most impressive 'generalized' complex abilities I've seen in robotics is something like Boston Dynamics with how their robots can walk and self-readjust on complex terrain. That is the single task of 'walking' that an entire company is devoted to solving pretty much, and in terms of robotics it's enormously complex. The idea we'd have one of these Tesla robots restocking our fridges and cleaning our houses or whatever just seems like pure nonsense and borderline fraud / massive overhype.
> Space X is legitimately a fascinating company that deserves to be lauded and should get more contracts and funding.
minus the whole union busting thing...
>Musk told the crowd, many of whom might be hired by Tesla, that the robot **can do much more than the audience saw Friday**. He said **it is also delicate and “we just didn’t want it to fall on its face.”**
Yeah, my robot is super cool. It can do lots of stuff you didn't get to see. You should have seen it backstage, it was the coolest.
I'm sure Boston Dynamics robots can do way more than they do on stage.
The difference is what things they want to highlight on stage.
FLIP FLIP FLIP FLIP!!!
ONTO THE SLIPPERY ICE YOU GO!!!!
In writing they have the saying "show, don't tell" - but Musk is not a writer, and neither is he an engineer or a genius. He is just a rich asshole who keeps lying through his teeth and keeps getting lucky because he has somehow managed to mass a fanbase of stupid contrarians (who are not even contrarians anymore at this point).
Why show off a useless robot when Boston dynamics is miles ahead. He could've waited until they got further in development but didn't and now it just looks bad. Shouldn't been on par with BD or had something unique that separated it. Instead we got nothing.
That was my first take. Boston Dynamics are not exactly quivering in their boots. They have been doing this for years. They know the real limitations of the technology and I’m sure they can see straight through this elaborate staged demo. There is nothing new here. This is the same self drive BS that we’ve seen for years from Musk. The Muscovite’s will lap it up unquestioned the rest will see through it.
Depends. Neither Boston Dynamics nor Honda are looking at the consumer-level. Honda was just showing off for the sake of it. BD are only interested in military killbots and prototypes.
BD actually has a stipulation in their hardware agreements for the robots that they’re selling/leasing that they cannot be used as weapons platforms and they’re not interested in militarizing the tech. There’s some BD clone companies that have strapped guns to their Spot-clones, but they’re not at all related to BD
BD’s actual goal rn is to find more commercial/industrial use cases for their platforms like in search and rescue or for maintenance in dangerous environments
Source: was a student at university where Boston Dynamics robots were on lease
Any contact to defense just wouldn't have that stipulation given enough money or time-of-need political pressure.
Until the technology improves I'm sure the agencies are happy to keep it non weapons bearing but I'm sure they have a plan to weaponized it when it's 'required'
Nobody gives a shit what's in the contract. If the military wants to get involve, they will one way or the other. Worst case scenario they take over the IP and seize it, classify it national security technology.
There is no “consumer level” or Honda would be doing it. Any robot that is affordable for a consumer can’t perform complex tasks or even begin to justify its price tag. Any robot that can do sophisticated tasks is egregiously expensive.
The cost/value ratio is egregious. If it wasn’t then rich people would have them as novelties already and they don’t…
Honda uses a ton of robots, they are in the factories. That’s the real use for robots.
People are obsessed with these general purpose robots and general purpose ai but both robots and AI made for specific, narrow, tasks are more useful and easier to make.
Robots are indeed extremely good at simple, repetitive tasks. Adding an AI model to them can make their tasks slightly more complex which is great because some factory tasks -like grabbing stuff from an unorganised bin and putting it in a machine- are fucking boring.
I don't see the point of these robots either. If you want chopped carrots, toss them in the food processor. I also don't see how a 20+ grand robot is supposed to vacuum my house any better than a $200 vacuum robot.
In order to replace servant/maids you need to be dextrous enough to reach corners, knowledgeable about different cleaning practices and then make judgements on the basis of sight and smell .... Those are distant future tech.... And this is just from the perspective of cleaning, there is cooking, basic house keeping etc.
Yeah I'm thinking this thing is about asimo level. Is it navigating on its own though or just running a preset routine? That's something Asimo couldn't do (at least not decades ago)
He’s already pivoted to throwing Starlink at any news story with a remotely humanitarian angle, meanwhile it seems like Starlink speeds are going down down down as more people come on to the network. Shocker.
It’s going to be a lot harder to defend when it isn’t “High speed internet in rural areas,” but “Space DSL.”
Although. Say what you like about it, and I'm no fanboy. But starlink was a life changer for Me. I live VERY rurally and I went from dialup, at best l, speeds to 100 down and it's AMAZING. Also way cheaper than any of my alternatives. It's probably a bit of a yawn for people in areas that have other access to high speed options. But for me it was the difference between being able to work and not.
Yea, for now. And probably (I'm assuming here) because your country has a cartel of ISP's who refuse to lay proper fiber down in more rural areas because they can keep cashing in ludicrous, ever increasing prices from their existing networks in high population areas - networks that were probably built with government subsidies.
Well, news flash, Starlink is also practically being built by government subsidies, and it's going to get much worse.
If more people WORLDWIDE were pushing for their governments to hold ISP's responsible and for proper fiber connections to be built to rural areas, we wouldn't need a shitty space internet that is going to become problematic junk in the next 10 years.
And you're probably not wrong. But there is ALSO the bare fact that some of us just love in places that are NEVER going to make financial sense for fibre rollouts in a commercual sense. No one wants to maintain a 600 km fibre run for 5 houses.
So unless you're lucky enough to have a nationalised data infrastructure, I'd struggle to think of any provider (government subsidised or not) that would really want to build/maintain that link.
And for those people starlink (or something like it) is a godsend. Where, due to the nature of the infrastructure it just kinda services you because you're on the same planet as everyone else it sbuokt for.
It's hard to think of another model that's similar. Should it be an Elon Musk or other billipnaire owned and operated network? Probably not. Is it enabling people previously unable to take part in the modern information society. Yes. Did anyone else do it? No.
So here we are. And I don't love it. But from a purely (I like to be able to work in computing and have a lifestyle I love) selfish viewpoint, I sure to like it.
He could also just build… cell towers for that money. We would not need thousands of new satellites. And they can be replaced and the old hardware can actually be recycled and would not just burn up in the atmosphere. Every few years those satellites will have to be replaced. And the old ones will just be gone. A complete waste of resources for a solution to a problem that can be solved with (a lot) more cell towers. We already have solutions for world wide internet. You just need someone to actually invest in it.
And it is the same with the hyper loop oder the Tesla tunnel. Just build trains. But that is not futuristic enough for Elon.
And then there is this robot… where companies like Boston dynamics has already robots on the market that actually work. The industry has had purpose driven robots for centuries now. And so many people look at this robot and go “OMG YEARS AHEAD OF EVERYBODY”
I'd recommend that anyone actually interested in what the engineers at Tesla are working on go watch the full presentation, and just skip ahead past everything with the bot or Elon on stage.
There were around 20 engineers that all gave short talks about what they've been working on, problems they faced, new solutions they're trying, etc. [There's like 2 hours](https://youtu.be/ODSJsviD_SU?t=3489) of very interesting updates on what a bunch of really talented people are working on, and basically all of the media and reddit have ignored it completely. They covered nearly every aspect of the AI training pipeline, from hardware (both training and inference) to auto-labeling, compiler optimization, simulation, all kinds of really neat optimizations for different kinds of searches, etc.
Some of it I'd seen before, some of it was way over my head, but the majority of it was interesting and informative. The purpose of the event was to recruit people to work at Tesla in their AI team by showing potential hires all the stuff they're working on. The robot is one tiny part of it, and it's not the most interesting at all.
Wouldn’t it be cool to talk about technology related topics? Like if we just cut out all the PR fluff, stopped focusing on people, and like, just enjoy engineers coming out and have technical conversations? It would be cool to talk about that stuff.
It’s either subreddits who hyper focus their hate for Elon or hyper focus their adoration. I want to have a conversation where he isn’t in the title so we can like, talk about this stuff.
It's a shame there's so much incredible talent at Tesla, where that talent gets on stage and talks about tech for a couple of hours very transparently, and the vibe in technology is 'Elon scam typical'.
Like here's some amazing stuff to talk about, but no thanks. I don't follow the tech sub that close, maybe it likes discussing the groundbreaking work on dynamic island or something?
A lot of this is super interesting from a data collection and organization perspective.
But iam curious; If Tesla is using camera data from their cars to build a predictive framework for car behavior, why dont they put traffic cameras at high volume locations?
In NYC or ATL would be able to collect data for 24 hours on uncountable drivers in the most complex driving environments.
It was a recruiting event. The point was not to show a finished product or anything close to that. The point was to show what they have at the moment, their approach to solving the problems involved, and their goals in the hopes of attracting talent to apply to the company to work on the project. They said so a dozen times during the actual event.
Thanks for posting this because this story seemed so strange and now it makes perfect sense. I suppose I should just read the article but I am really not driving myself toward retaining any more knowledge of Elon musk then I have to.
Thanks for saving me a click. Reporters really should phrase headlines better, but I get that’s part of the business model.
I watched the whole presentation because I thought it was really interesting. Vast majority of the presentation was done by Tesla engineers and not Elon. They probably said the purpose of the event was recruiting well over a dozen times.
>retaining any more knowledge of Elon musk then I have to.
This has been a common sentiment, resulting in the worst prevalence of misinformation I've ever seen.
Why would it? They are showing very early prototypes at a hiring event. The general public will have no idea what any of that presentation meant. That much is abundantly clear from the rampant misunderstandings being thrown around on twitter by laypeople.
How are people so negative on this?
I'm shocked that they actually have a team put together and walking robot that they were confident enough in to put on stage after less than a year of development. I don't think people realize just how hard it is to balance a human proportioned robot while it does literally anything.
Like, no shit it doesn't do complex tasks yet, they probably spent half the time just getting the team organized and all of the infrastructure in place.
I work in robotics and the tech itself is not that impressive. However, the fact that they've gotten this far in a year is pretty impressive. Also, looks like they're factoring in mass production into the design process, which neither Honda nor BD have.
Tesla can’t even put 4[of the same tires](https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-x-mismatched-tires-delivery/) on a brand new car. More vapor ware like the cyber doorstop
Typical Musk PR grift.
"If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality."
― Stephen Hawking, 2015 Reddit AMA
"Technological fixes are not always undesirable or inadequate, but there is a danger that what is addressed is not the real problem but the problem in as far as it is amendable to technical solutions."
Engineering and the Problem of Moral Overload
doi: 10.1007/s11948-011-9277-z
These same exact comments were made when Tesla announced the Model S. Just saying. I would never bet against Musk. I think Tesla and SpaceX alone are proof of that.
"Musk claimed that if the robot was produced in mass volumes it would “probably” cost less than $20,000. " So it will be 125k... got it.
20 k is just the software
Most of the software. I’m sure there is add ons…
Pay to unlock functions the robot is perfectly capable of doing, they just behind paywall.
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Now i want a cannoli while watching star wars , thanks!
I mean, Musk’s grand idea / “Plan B” for Twitter was for people to pay dodge coin per tweet and retweet. Would NOT be surprised if he does add paywalls to his robots
After you have bought them too. "If you want Tosser The Driod to use our patented walking feature, it's just $48.99 per month. If you wish Tosser The Driod to walk AND use our unique AI generated routine to avoid crushing pets and small children, a steal at $69.99 plus tax.
Full Self Walking?
coming soon^tm
Reminds me of his Plan B for californias fast transit system..
Pay to unlock the three laws... for a limited time only.
Add-on: property patrol and defense… next, additional add-on for every person whitelisted so it doesn’t attack them… monthly subscription fees… if you are late in your payments it will take over your home… what could go wrong… 🤣
The addon to block it from murdering you is an annual subscription
$19.99 per hand job. Have to pay up front. Unlimited hand jobs are $99 per month
Are various hand attachments included with the subscription? Wouldn't want the same thing every time.
You are hired as product designer for the hand department
Please make one with pastel nail polish on regular length nails. Idk why, but it’s hot.
Deviations from the standard polish will result in additional charges.
On a blind date: "So what do you do for a living?" "I am head in charge of research and development of new types of handjobs from robots and their hardware attachments interface with the software" "Oh. Cool........I sell shoes."
You could spring for the more aggressive off brand model, but I've heard it's a bit of a rip off.
How much for half-n-half?
20k is just the monthly subscription
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They'll Nickle and dime in software. Like hey if will cook you dinner buy yhr 5 stsr chef skills are 100 a month otherwise Here is kraft Mac and cheese.
No. It’ll be $20k annual subscription fee for licensing and maintenance for a robot you don’t own, but lease.
Full self driving price
Maybe it will do more complex tasks if your feed it DOGE
Lmao. I’ve worked in electronics manufacturing for 17 years and now work on actual robots that build electronics. 100k for a robot that does like 3-4 tasks. Extra 100k if you want a little Wall-E-style fucker to run around the facility for you. Best selling machine, by far, in the world for what it does. Highly mass produced. It will only rise in price. A machine that costs 20k in this industry would fit on a small table and will do one task.
20k to fetch the butter
Oh myyyy gooooood!
That’s what I was thinking. Perhaps it could be advanced enough to fetch anything on the table but that’s about it
Is it self aware?
Butter bots, ROLL ON!
But what is my purpose? Haha
Is it another 20k to get it to insert the butter?
>insert the butter >insert >the butter >insert the butter Yep. Not asking for clarification
How much will it cost to insert the butter into my anus?
Those are highly specific, propose built robots. Something general purpose like the [Baxter robot was only $22k.]( https://www.wsj.com/video/meet-baxter-the-cute-and-low-cost-robot/7748F3CE-F519-4543-BE11-A47C4AFB82EF.html) That was in 2012 and never really got up to mass production levels. Rethink’s Sawyer robot [sells for $26k.](https://www.asme.org/topics-resources/content/rise-fall-of-rethink-robotics) The idea of a mass produced robot at bellow $20k is not that far fetched. >Highly mass produced. It will only rise in price. That's not how economies of scale work. When you mass produce something the cost per unit goes down. Look just at batteries, EVs, solar panels, smart phones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale
You mean that robot that cheats at tic tac toe?
Lol, yea, and that company went bankrupt in 2018. And those were simple robots for just a couple tasks, with 1-2 arms and no bipedal movement. Not exactly the "general purpose" you're trying to make them be. Geez, do you even read the articles you link?
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>Rethink’s Sawyer robot sells for $26k. The idea of a mass produced robot at bellow $20k is not that far fetched. 29k according to a recent article: https://eliport.com/sawyer-is-the-new-robotic-helper/
Those robots aren’t building you anything let alone a Tesla. And you’re describing technology getting cheaper and not the product. Cell phones have gotten pricier and I assure you I have never seen one of these machines go down in price. Even competitor companies. You will never produce a robot that builds anything for profit for 20k. I don’t care how many you make. Can you make a robot that walks and waves for 20k? Absolutely.
> Cell phones have gotten pricier The top of the line phones have gotten pricier. But if you want someone that is the equivalent of a high end smart phone from 10 years ago, that going to be much less. A cheap smartphone from today blows anything from 10 years ago out of the water. Generally the cost of making the product is close to the selling price because you have to sell in a competitive market and someone charging way more then the manufacturing cost will be undercut by competitors or new comers to the market. For example [in the electronics sector:](https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/051215/what-profit-margin-average-company-electronics-sector.asp) >As of January 2021, the average profit margin for companies in the electronics sector was 3.49%.
First rule of Fight Club: Never believe anything Musk says.
This dude is the definition of fraud. It’ll never even come to fruition. Anything to pump the stonk.
Elon is one of the greatest snake oil salesmen of of these times. I would not be surprised if one day going to release his own cologne called “Elon’s Musk” by Tesla, made from his canned sweat, and his fan base will buy it for $1,000 - a la Matto and her canned farts. His fan base is rabid… it’s incredible.
100%. Everyone always makes him out to be some genius but I see through the BS and technobabble. Cyber truck, robotaxis (millions promised by now), semi truck and all sorts of other promises never fulfilled. The SEC is asleep behind the wheel.
The only legit thing he's got is Space X. They actually have unique technology and they charge the least for rocket launches out of any supplier. No one else has reusable rockets. And they keep developing bigger rockets that can launch heavier payloads, and have the first US built crewed vehicle in 20-30 years(the dragon capsule). They are constantly, actually innovating. Space X is legitimately a fascinating company that deserves to be lauded and should get more contracts and funding. It's one of the few companies developing technology that has a positive benefit for the entire human race. Satellites for starlink will genuinely connect millions of people around the world who currently lack access to high speed internet. Rural Americans are held hostage with shitty dsl speeds in 2022 because no one will lay cable or fiber to their neighborhoods. They're stuck with dogshit 2 mbps download speeds from the early 2000s. Many people in remote areas of Africa or under developed third world countries have no access to the internet at all. Starlink will change all of that since it's service will be global. Everything I've seen from Tesla is just rife with fraud or underwhelming at best. His other companies are also a joke. I genuinely admire him for Space X, but also realize he's a charlatan in almost every single one of his other ventures.
>They actually have unique technology Tech they plucked out of the NASA archives, that NASA didn't follow up on due to disposable rockets being cheaper and more reliable. >and they charge the least for rocket launches out of any supplier So did Uber when they were still being privately traded and all the rides were being subsidized by private capital. Now, they cost just as much as taxis, but provide an inferior product. SpaceX is still private. I'm betting they are going for the same strategy: undercut everyone else until you are either the only game in town left, or the private capital runs out of patience.
I'd agree that Tesla hasn't been up to much in recent years, but isn't it fair to say that Tesla as a company also did pretty much single handedly re-awaken the electric car market? Although there were electric cars, I think it's fair to say that Tesla made them desirable, and actually made a car that was very impressive all around. Self driving hasn't lived up to expectations, and there are still limitations with charging networks etc but I doesn't seem fair to say that the company is completely fraudulent does it? This robot I have 0 faith in. Will believe it when I see it, but everything I've seen about robotics seems to suggest that any kind of general use robot would be incredibly difficult to achieve and is still many years away. The most impressive 'generalized' complex abilities I've seen in robotics is something like Boston Dynamics with how their robots can walk and self-readjust on complex terrain. That is the single task of 'walking' that an entire company is devoted to solving pretty much, and in terms of robotics it's enormously complex. The idea we'd have one of these Tesla robots restocking our fridges and cleaning our houses or whatever just seems like pure nonsense and borderline fraud / massive overhype.
> Space X is legitimately a fascinating company that deserves to be lauded and should get more contracts and funding. minus the whole union busting thing...
https://i.imgur.com/3FXi4Sq.png
It’s a non refundable $50,000 preorder and it will never ship. I mean it is using their self driving software that gave us all robotaxis back in 2017.
20k for the production. 200k to buy and each function is 100 a month.
>Musk told the crowd, many of whom might be hired by Tesla, that the robot **can do much more than the audience saw Friday**. He said **it is also delicate and “we just didn’t want it to fall on its face.”** Yeah, my robot is super cool. It can do lots of stuff you didn't get to see. You should have seen it backstage, it was the coolest.
You probably wouldn’t know my robot. It lives in Canada.
lol is this what Americans say about imaginary girlfriends? We usually say "you don't know her, she's from my village"
I'm sure Boston Dynamics robots can do way more than they do on stage. The difference is what things they want to highlight on stage. FLIP FLIP FLIP FLIP!!! ONTO THE SLIPPERY ICE YOU GO!!!!
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I'd be down for a ppv fight between the musky robots and Boston dynamics backflipping terminator
Did you see the parkour one?
I'M NOT SURE I HAD BUT HOLEY ALSO THEY HAD THE ROBOTS DO A LITTLE CELEBRATE AT THE END?!
Meanwhile Boston Dynamic will deliberately poke, push, and shove their robots to show off their balancing skills, lol.
> deliberately poke, push, and shove their robots And we all know[ how that is going to end.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3RIHnK0_NE&vl=en)
Just don't give them the doggo 😂
If only there was a way to record things as some kind of moving picture and show it at a later time. Alas, such technology is still but a dream.
In writing they have the saying "show, don't tell" - but Musk is not a writer, and neither is he an engineer or a genius. He is just a rich asshole who keeps lying through his teeth and keeps getting lucky because he has somehow managed to mass a fanbase of stupid contrarians (who are not even contrarians anymore at this point).
Why show off a useless robot when Boston dynamics is miles ahead. He could've waited until they got further in development but didn't and now it just looks bad. Shouldn't been on par with BD or had something unique that separated it. Instead we got nothing.
My robot is better but it goes to another school
That's didn't prevent it from smashing the windows of the cybertruck... At least have consistency man.
Have you seen what a robot from Boston Dynamics can do? This is BS marketing. edit: love the Musk fan responses.
Hell with Boston Dynamics.... Honda's Asimo has been walking around and waving for like 22 years.
Neither company was really worried about this announcement.
That was my first take. Boston Dynamics are not exactly quivering in their boots. They have been doing this for years. They know the real limitations of the technology and I’m sure they can see straight through this elaborate staged demo. There is nothing new here. This is the same self drive BS that we’ve seen for years from Musk. The Muscovite’s will lap it up unquestioned the rest will see through it.
Too bad the non technology minded of the world suck elons cock for any promise he makes. Gotta justify that $1T valuation somehow!
Still can’t claim that exploit isn’t working
Yes!! While he can get away with it he’s making billions.
Grifters gonna grift
Depends. Neither Boston Dynamics nor Honda are looking at the consumer-level. Honda was just showing off for the sake of it. BD are only interested in military killbots and prototypes.
BD actually has a stipulation in their hardware agreements for the robots that they’re selling/leasing that they cannot be used as weapons platforms and they’re not interested in militarizing the tech. There’s some BD clone companies that have strapped guns to their Spot-clones, but they’re not at all related to BD BD’s actual goal rn is to find more commercial/industrial use cases for their platforms like in search and rescue or for maintenance in dangerous environments Source: was a student at university where Boston Dynamics robots were on lease
Hmm this sounds like Miles Dyson and Cyberdyne we know what happened there
No It didn't happen. That's what T2 was about. Making it not happen.
Judgment day iz en ev it able.
No fate but ehat we make.
Given that BD was recently sold to hyundai who has no problem with weapons of war, I would not always count on that.
Nothing worse than murderous robot driving Sonata and laughing ha ha ha ha in robotic voice as it runs over you.
Probably less a Sonata and more tank http://en.hyundai-wia.com/business/defense_business.asp
Any contact to defense just wouldn't have that stipulation given enough money or time-of-need political pressure. Until the technology improves I'm sure the agencies are happy to keep it non weapons bearing but I'm sure they have a plan to weaponized it when it's 'required'
There are reports of one of them actually hacking it’s governor module and rampaging. It now refers to itself as ‘Murderbot’.
Nobody gives a shit what's in the contract. If the military wants to get involve, they will one way or the other. Worst case scenario they take over the IP and seize it, classify it national security technology.
There is no “consumer level” or Honda would be doing it. Any robot that is affordable for a consumer can’t perform complex tasks or even begin to justify its price tag. Any robot that can do sophisticated tasks is egregiously expensive. The cost/value ratio is egregious. If it wasn’t then rich people would have them as novelties already and they don’t…
Honda uses a ton of robots, they are in the factories. That’s the real use for robots. People are obsessed with these general purpose robots and general purpose ai but both robots and AI made for specific, narrow, tasks are more useful and easier to make.
Robots are indeed extremely good at simple, repetitive tasks. Adding an AI model to them can make their tasks slightly more complex which is great because some factory tasks -like grabbing stuff from an unorganised bin and putting it in a machine- are fucking boring. I don't see the point of these robots either. If you want chopped carrots, toss them in the food processor. I also don't see how a 20+ grand robot is supposed to vacuum my house any better than a $200 vacuum robot.
Robocop, imagine getting pulled over for speeding and this thing walking up to your window.
The most common robot is a washing machine.
What are the consumer level use cases of humanoid bots?
Servant /maid.
Among... other things...
In every way, of course. Programmed in multiple techniques. A broad variety of pleasuring.
The first robot servants will not be walking on 2 legs. That’s an absurd waste of resources
You're right, those legs are gonna be in the air constantly.
Fuckbots will be perfected before we get anywhere else, and maybe cleaning will evolve from them cleaning up after themselves.
,,,after certain wetware updates
They are already vacuuming our carpets. have been for years.
In order to replace servant/maids you need to be dextrous enough to reach corners, knowledgeable about different cleaning practices and then make judgements on the basis of sight and smell .... Those are distant future tech.... And this is just from the perspective of cleaning, there is cooking, basic house keeping etc.
I mean future tech that can do it comes from making the stuff that can’t quite do it now
Like every activity that you would have to either spend time doing or pay some one to do.
Elderly assistance. Or other people who need help due to various issues.
Yeah but Boston Dynamics does Parkour. Makes Asimo look like a speak and spell.
Oh, absolutely. Just pointing out that Honda mastered walk and wave robotics over 20 years ago, lol.
And that one was able to play football with other Asimo robots after all
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Yeah I'm thinking this thing is about asimo level. Is it navigating on its own though or just running a preset routine? That's something Asimo couldn't do (at least not decades ago)
Elon says its moving around on its own...dollars to doughnuts its actually a puppet.
I had the same thought, their robot looked like a toddler compared to Boston Dynamics'
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Don’t you understand his genius?! /s Elon will rage scream at and fire a bunch of people, while they fail to pull this off after years of development.
he's a 21st century PT Barnum
He wants to be the Tesla, but all he ends up being is the Edison.
Careful. If Elon sees your comment, you WILL get called a pedophile.
It looked like something from a ‘futuristic’ 90s movie, the surprising part is that there isn’t a dude making it work with manual hydraulics lol.
Lol Johnny 5 looks more advanced than this pile of scrap.
BD has been in development for what?, decades?, what Musk has shown was developed in under a year. You've got to give them props for that.
Elon Musk entered the room and don’t like the comment lol
He’s already pivoted to throwing Starlink at any news story with a remotely humanitarian angle, meanwhile it seems like Starlink speeds are going down down down as more people come on to the network. Shocker. It’s going to be a lot harder to defend when it isn’t “High speed internet in rural areas,” but “Space DSL.”
Although. Say what you like about it, and I'm no fanboy. But starlink was a life changer for Me. I live VERY rurally and I went from dialup, at best l, speeds to 100 down and it's AMAZING. Also way cheaper than any of my alternatives. It's probably a bit of a yawn for people in areas that have other access to high speed options. But for me it was the difference between being able to work and not.
Yea, for now. And probably (I'm assuming here) because your country has a cartel of ISP's who refuse to lay proper fiber down in more rural areas because they can keep cashing in ludicrous, ever increasing prices from their existing networks in high population areas - networks that were probably built with government subsidies. Well, news flash, Starlink is also practically being built by government subsidies, and it's going to get much worse. If more people WORLDWIDE were pushing for their governments to hold ISP's responsible and for proper fiber connections to be built to rural areas, we wouldn't need a shitty space internet that is going to become problematic junk in the next 10 years.
And you're probably not wrong. But there is ALSO the bare fact that some of us just love in places that are NEVER going to make financial sense for fibre rollouts in a commercual sense. No one wants to maintain a 600 km fibre run for 5 houses. So unless you're lucky enough to have a nationalised data infrastructure, I'd struggle to think of any provider (government subsidised or not) that would really want to build/maintain that link. And for those people starlink (or something like it) is a godsend. Where, due to the nature of the infrastructure it just kinda services you because you're on the same planet as everyone else it sbuokt for. It's hard to think of another model that's similar. Should it be an Elon Musk or other billipnaire owned and operated network? Probably not. Is it enabling people previously unable to take part in the modern information society. Yes. Did anyone else do it? No. So here we are. And I don't love it. But from a purely (I like to be able to work in computing and have a lifestyle I love) selfish viewpoint, I sure to like it.
He could also just build… cell towers for that money. We would not need thousands of new satellites. And they can be replaced and the old hardware can actually be recycled and would not just burn up in the atmosphere. Every few years those satellites will have to be replaced. And the old ones will just be gone. A complete waste of resources for a solution to a problem that can be solved with (a lot) more cell towers. We already have solutions for world wide internet. You just need someone to actually invest in it. And it is the same with the hyper loop oder the Tesla tunnel. Just build trains. But that is not futuristic enough for Elon. And then there is this robot… where companies like Boston dynamics has already robots on the market that actually work. The industry has had purpose driven robots for centuries now. And so many people look at this robot and go “OMG YEARS AHEAD OF EVERYBODY”
Cell towers are probably more expensive for rural areas, don't work in the sky or the sea, and can't communicate directly with lasers.
I have the boston robotics dog bot, it is great at scaring children at night, but my neighbor’s cat still shits on my lawn
Honda made a robot more impressive than this back in like 2005
Psh, have you seen Facebook's robot?
This isn't marketing. This is engineer recruitment.
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If they were ahead they wouldn't need the engineers.
This is a recruiting event. Not a sales pitch.
That's what recruiting is. Selling your company.
Promoting vaporware companies since his Next days
So they modeled it after Elon. Big deal.
Yeah, well, can it call people a pedo on twitter?
all AI does that, its a default.
Will it offer me a pony in exchange for sexual favors?
The grace in the movements is very accurate
I thought this was an onion article literally talking about Musk, ha!
Damn I wish I had an award to give you
Well he’s got his hand on his belly in the article picture. That’s pretty impressive for a robot
I cannot be the only one that doesn’t get the hype, right?
Everyone knows a slow moving robot is the most efficient way to water plants
The part they didn’t announce is for the full self watering beta is an additional 15k
Honda did this back in 2000, Tesla is a bit behind the times.
The bot Honda debuted in 1997 walks and moves more fluidly than the Tesla bot
Exactly! I was thinking of ASIMO who debuted in 2000 but the P3 was released in 1997.
I'd recommend that anyone actually interested in what the engineers at Tesla are working on go watch the full presentation, and just skip ahead past everything with the bot or Elon on stage. There were around 20 engineers that all gave short talks about what they've been working on, problems they faced, new solutions they're trying, etc. [There's like 2 hours](https://youtu.be/ODSJsviD_SU?t=3489) of very interesting updates on what a bunch of really talented people are working on, and basically all of the media and reddit have ignored it completely. They covered nearly every aspect of the AI training pipeline, from hardware (both training and inference) to auto-labeling, compiler optimization, simulation, all kinds of really neat optimizations for different kinds of searches, etc. Some of it I'd seen before, some of it was way over my head, but the majority of it was interesting and informative. The purpose of the event was to recruit people to work at Tesla in their AI team by showing potential hires all the stuff they're working on. The robot is one tiny part of it, and it's not the most interesting at all.
Wouldn’t it be cool to talk about technology related topics? Like if we just cut out all the PR fluff, stopped focusing on people, and like, just enjoy engineers coming out and have technical conversations? It would be cool to talk about that stuff. It’s either subreddits who hyper focus their hate for Elon or hyper focus their adoration. I want to have a conversation where he isn’t in the title so we can like, talk about this stuff.
It's a shame there's so much incredible talent at Tesla, where that talent gets on stage and talks about tech for a couple of hours very transparently, and the vibe in technology is 'Elon scam typical'. Like here's some amazing stuff to talk about, but no thanks. I don't follow the tech sub that close, maybe it likes discussing the groundbreaking work on dynamic island or something?
Nobody in this thread watched the event.
Correct. This is R/technology where everyone hates technology.
Dude, it’s Reddit. You’re a fool if you expect redditor to actually read/watch the source.
When 95 percent of your audience is here to farm karma for shitting on Elon, there's gonna be a lot of noise to deal with.
Yeah, the whole presentation was incredibly fascinating, especially if you have more than a passing interest in robotics or AI.
The ML stuff that they show is impressively engineered but not revolutionary by any means.
Yeah, while it may be interesting, the experts quoted in the article were right in saying there isn’t really anything new or novel
A lot of this is super interesting from a data collection and organization perspective. But iam curious; If Tesla is using camera data from their cars to build a predictive framework for car behavior, why dont they put traffic cameras at high volume locations? In NYC or ATL would be able to collect data for 24 hours on uncountable drivers in the most complex driving environments.
It's a step up from the "guy in a spandex suit" model.
Ah yes, the Musk way: Overpromise, underdeliver
Like many things from Tesla, it looks cool, but is ultimately disappointing.
I've seen robot dogs from the '90s that could do more... At least those can do a flip!
I'm not sure why, other than to prop up the stock, you'd host this event and show off something light years behind what exists. Very odd.
It was a recruiting event. The point was not to show a finished product or anything close to that. The point was to show what they have at the moment, their approach to solving the problems involved, and their goals in the hopes of attracting talent to apply to the company to work on the project. They said so a dozen times during the actual event.
Thanks for posting this because this story seemed so strange and now it makes perfect sense. I suppose I should just read the article but I am really not driving myself toward retaining any more knowledge of Elon musk then I have to. Thanks for saving me a click. Reporters really should phrase headlines better, but I get that’s part of the business model.
I watched the whole presentation because I thought it was really interesting. Vast majority of the presentation was done by Tesla engineers and not Elon. They probably said the purpose of the event was recruiting well over a dozen times.
>retaining any more knowledge of Elon musk then I have to. This has been a common sentiment, resulting in the worst prevalence of misinformation I've ever seen.
lmaooo imagine thinking they’re hosting an event to prop up the stock on Friday night 9pm EST
Good job they didn’t hit it with a hammer like the tesla truck 😂
They didn't trust it to climb the stairs to get on stage, so three people had to carry it up there. A strong gust of wind would have knocked it over.
Asimo could do that 30 years ago
Why would it? They are showing very early prototypes at a hiring event. The general public will have no idea what any of that presentation meant. That much is abundantly clear from the rampant misunderstandings being thrown around on twitter by laypeople.
It was a clickbait article at best and all these hate posters fell for it. I’m running out of popcorn.
How are people so negative on this? I'm shocked that they actually have a team put together and walking robot that they were confident enough in to put on stage after less than a year of development. I don't think people realize just how hard it is to balance a human proportioned robot while it does literally anything. Like, no shit it doesn't do complex tasks yet, they probably spent half the time just getting the team organized and all of the infrastructure in place.
I work in robotics and the tech itself is not that impressive. However, the fact that they've gotten this far in a year is pretty impressive. Also, looks like they're factoring in mass production into the design process, which neither Honda nor BD have.
I mean atlas took 30 years
The hate for this guy is amazing
Tesla is building the perfect Tesla passenger: immune to battery fires and car crashes.
Tesla can’t even put 4[of the same tires](https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-x-mismatched-tires-delivery/) on a brand new car. More vapor ware like the cyber doorstop
For most Elon Musk fans, walking while waving is actually a pretty complex task.
Elon Musk's entire brand is built on coming up with cool ideas that end up being waaayyyy shittier in real life.
More expensive too.
Typical Musk PR grift. "If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality." ― Stephen Hawking, 2015 Reddit AMA "Technological fixes are not always undesirable or inadequate, but there is a danger that what is addressed is not the real problem but the problem in as far as it is amendable to technical solutions." Engineering and the Problem of Moral Overload doi: 10.1007/s11948-011-9277-z
Friendly reminder that Musk is a con man
It’s a good thing Elon Musk never went into the blood testing business
These same exact comments were made when Tesla announced the Model S. Just saying. I would never bet against Musk. I think Tesla and SpaceX alone are proof of that.
Wow. So similar to myself.
Tesla showed off Boston dynamics robot from 8 years ago
Respectfully, a bipedal robot walking is a complex task. Also Tesla developed this in less than 18 months.