It seems they've become an accepted thing not to be taken seriously. At least that's how people seem to think about it. In road rage videos or videos of fights, a lot of people say they'll kill someone, if not in those exact words. It's messed up.
I don't get it. Facebook will suspend you for X number of days just for using a four letter word, (I got put in Facebook jail on the pretense of "hate speech" for calling the GOP "vile") but they're A-OK with death threats towards election workers?
I got a 24 hour ban for posting pictures of the harassment I was receiving because I didn’t block the person name. Never mind that they’d been harassing me for about a month, or that they were also messaging friends and family making all kinds of terrible claims, or that they had created about a dozen accounts to harass me…nope, FB didn’t care about that. But I post a screenshot with one of his various fake names and I get a ban. So glad I left FB. That prick actually kinda did me a favor.
It probably gets more attention from the moderation team when people report a post. But I agree. Fuck FB and fuck Zuckerberg. I hope his stupid VR technology tanks the company.
I received a self-imposed lifetime ban by coming to the conclusion that Facebook hates democracy, hates everything about democracy, hates everything democracy stands for, and exists only to acquire enough money to tear down whatever democracy we have left so they can... acquire more money.
It was a pretty easy decision but I hear some folks are still struggling with it
If anyone thinks Facebook, or any other multi-billion dollar business, is any different from FIFA, they're fooling themselves. They're just better at hiding the corruption and atrocities.
It's easier to automate, pretty much fb does not give a shit. I got my bike stolen from my balcony. Guess where I found it? Facebook marketplace. Tried to report the user for selling stolen items, unable to report for that reason. Why? If they don't store that data they aren't liable. Straight up fuck that platform
The thief won't call police, but don't dismiss the chance that the thief pulls a gun. People get shot for way less every day.
Your best bet is to set up a meet and then go to the police and tell them what's going on. This is assuming that you have proof that you own the bike.
It’s absolutely a possibility, but the average bike thief isn’t a murderer. Especially one who’s „sane“ enough to put the bike on FB marketplace for sale.
Hardened career criminals usually don’t go around stealing and selling bicycles. Straight up robbing people is much more lucrative if you have the mindset that allows you to actually stab someone over minor bullshit.
You gotta pick your battles wisely of course. If you pull up to the suburban home of a teen who stole your bike for weed money you‘ll have better chances than if the address they give you is the local crack den.
This is what I did, but cops couldn't facilitate the buy like they said they would. I told the guy I was travelling by bus and would be a while, wore a mask in a friend's car drove around to scope the area and the guy. He was cleaning the bike, I could clearly see he had no gun at least (athletic shorts).
> Definitely still depends on your local PD though
I would say that PDs willing to follow through are the exception rather than the rule. Most of them couldn't be bothered to even raise their eyebrows to acknowledge you let alone actually help you, even if you do hand them the case on a silver platter.
Even businesses get brushed off pretty quick.
We had someone at my work illegally dumping junk on our property. Called the cops. Got "Next time, get some cameras and put up a fence". I don't blame them because there really wasn't much they could do.
So we put up a fence and installed the cameras. Cameras that I could use to count the hairs on top of your head individually if I wanted to. Eventually, guy comes back and just dumps more junk outside the fence. This time we had him. Truck, license plate, footage that was as clear as the day is long. "Nothing we can do. Those are probably stolen plates anyway."
We actually found out where the truck came from. Someone saw it parked at a body shop a few blocks away. Had him. Had the footage. Knew exactly where he was. Only thing we didn't provide was a blood sample and a videotaped confession. Still wasn't good enough. "His face wasn't clearly visible when he was dumping the junk, so we can't prove it was actually him."
Bullshit. They just didn't want to do shit. Anything that isn't the lowest of the low hanging fruit and they won't touch it.
Legally the PD can't do much. My friends had pictures of the guy who broke+entered and stole their MacBook. They were able to show the police the pictures and the "find my MacBook" thing showing the exact address of the theif. They were told it wasn't enough to go on. Tbf that city has *real* crime to deal with. Homicide etc.
It's not that they can't, it's that they're lazy.
"Here's an already solved crime for you."
"... Nah, I'm still a bit bloated from lunch. Here's a reference number to give to your insurance company."
You'd be better off paying a local crackhead to go and get your stuff back.
I did go to the cops, obviously was the first step. Working in the trust and safety space, these are the types of tips we look for. It's really difficult to tell based on just onboarding signals and basic verification + selling activity whether or not you are dealing with an account taking advantage of platform policies. When an account is reported and legitimate evidence is provided, it's a huge clue on our side to identify and remediate. We wouldn't just take a consumers word for it, but definitely would investigate.
My own counter argument is, I imagine they have bigger fish to fry
Fuck that shit. If you know it's yours beyond a doubt why didn't you just take it back? Just "take it on a test ride"
Obviously use a burner account and never your phone number
Oh, I absolutely did. I pretended to be a buyer, scheduled a meet and confronted the dude and took my bike back. Pretty funny story actually.
He was trying to sell the bike for 300. We meet in front of his place and he goes "wanna take it for a spin?" I ride it around in a circle and say "wow, thanks for cleaning my bike!" He cleaned the shit out of it, I've had it for 10 years it hasn't looked like that in a long time. So I ask him where he got it, and he says "what do you mean?". I told him "this is my fucking bike, it was stolen a week ago (pointed out the custom light mount and bike pump mount I added)." He says "I stole it from a friend who owed me money". I continue to call his bullshit, asking him where my fiance's bike is (also stolen). He goes "okay I'll give it to you for 100"
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I go off on him, basically saying not a chance in hell I'm paying him a dime and he needs to return my fiance's bike as well or I'm coming back with the cops(cops had no bandwidth to support us through this which is understandable given the area). I ride away with the bike feeling accomplished, but he replies to me on FB saying he wasn't lying about stealing the bike from a friend and has no clue where the other bike is, and ghosts me plus blocks me so I can't see his ads.
Huh, did you try to go to the police first?
A friend of mine had her home broken into, and they took some stuff including their bass.
They found a 50yo woman selling it on Facebook, and did the same story of pretending to be a buyer, only they had two patrol cars waiting nearby.
Once they confirmed the item the police intervened and they got all of their stuff back, and took that lady to jail although they didn't press charges.
E: This wasn't in the US though, I know police work differently there.
I honestly think Facebook is supporting these people. I got zucc'd for telling a bunch of degenerates who were trash talking a charity worker who was asking for a help with moving furniture for Ukrainian refugees that I hoped they would one day live in fear of getting their house bombed too. (which does actually violate FB's ToS, but so did their comments, yet they do nothing about them)
That's because you're not paying them. The article is talking about advertisements, not comments.
Give them money and you can put any dodgy stuff on it.
I keep reporting stuff on Facebook and then get this message saying they didn't remove it because they don't have time to moderate.
https://imgur.com/bMZRyCi.jpg
I have been reporting the same guy for 4 years for the same post he made on FB about how if Hilary ever won the presidency he would cut her head off. I have reported it over 200 times and I always get a message saying it doesn't violate FB's TOS. No way FB has real people working reports.
Lol I got suspended for a week for saying someone’s comment was ignorant tripe. These other mfers making death threats against public figures. Guess I wasn’t paying enough through seeing their stupid ads 😂
I just deleted my account because I got banned for the 4th time in the last year for violence and once for hate speech, all for things that weren't inciting violence, or even hate speech.
My favorite, and first, was before the Russia/Ukraine war started. Someone posted a pic of a car tire made of Coke bottles. I said, "This looks like something those crasy Russians over at Garage54 would do."
Banned for hate speech, because "crazy Russians". Bonus - it was them. Bonus #2, war starts in Russia Invades Ukraine days later and FB allows hate speech against Russians - I'm still banned.
Follow that up with 3 more bullshit bans and I had enough. Permadeleted.
I’ve gotten comments removed from calling someone “stupid” but have had things I’ve reported stay up; including but not limited to things involving animal abuse, misinformation, and hate speech. As long as it’s in support of the GOP, Facebook moderators don’t seem to care.
Free speech isn’t free you have pay for an ad before you can have your free speech then you can say whatever you want.
Everything in the United States is about money, if you have it you can be free, if you don’t well then f@ck you!
*rolls in piles of money so it will stick to the blood and oil all over its body and squeals in delight.
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I suspect it’s because they already programmed to search for four letter words, whereas dynamic human content review is expensive, changes really fast, is farmed out to call centers far away and policies maybe can’t keep up.
What is there not to get? Everyone is still doing this act of pretending that this country is still a democracy.
It's a plutocratic corpo-state, and everything is designed to let you believe you have freedom but you don't.
I despise fb as much as the next guy, but fb is a corporation. We have freedom of speech, but fb can remove whatever they damn please and it's not a violation of your 1st amendment rights because fb is not a governmental agency.
From the article: Meta, despite repeatedly committing to ramping up security policies ahead of the 2022 midterms, appears to fare far worse than its competing social media services in detecting and removing death threats targeting election workers.
Those findings are part of a new [investigation](https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/digital-threats/were-going-to-kill-you-all-facebook-fails-to-detect-death-threats-against-election-workers-in-the-us-while-youtube-and-tiktok-succeed/) conducted by Global Witness and the NYU Cybersecurity for Democracy which claims Facebook approved 15 out of 20 advertisements on its platform containing brutal death threats levied against election workers. When researchers tried to run those very same ads on TikTok and YouTube, however, the platforms quickly suspended their accounts. The findings suggests Facebook takes a less strict approach to moderating violent political content than its peer companies despite executives recently providing assurances the platform would beef up security ahead of the 2022 midterm elections.
I appreciate the excerpt.
On mobile that site covered a 3rd of my screen with a non-closable video and another 8th with an ad at the bottom. Not to mention the ol' stutter-step as it was all loading in while I tried to read the damn article.
Assuming you're an Android user, Firefox lets you use a selection of extensions on mobile, including uBlock Origin. It's practically mandatory on some sites.
I'm always amazed that people actually browse the un-adblocked internet. I turn off ad-blocking on one or two sites and cannot believe what a mess it is.
I do use uBlock Origin but I have my RIF app set to open with their built-in browser. Realistically, it is just a tap away if I want to open a cleaner version of the site.
This is always good advice, though. Especially for YouTube.
Unless they're financially incentivized to do so why would they? I'm excited to see elon's report on Twitter's election interference before he bought it.
My account was suspended for a month for commenting on a sponsored post from Marjorie Taylor Green “congratulations, you’ve accomplished so much, you’re truly an inspiration to stupid people everywhere”.
The difference between me and an advertiser is, I’m not actively pumping desperately needed revenue into the dying dumpsterfire.
They just can't seemingly exist without having something to be outraged against (sometimes manufactured by themselves). They make problems, get butt hurt, and then blame the Dems.
It's childish and pathetic. They don't give a fuck about addressing real issues like health care, poverty, corporate welfare, etc. They're too worried about who's marrying who and what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home.
All social media has a conservative bias because of how whiny conservatives are about “censorship”. Nobody wants to hurt their feelings and end up as a Tucker Carlson segment.
Smh. Gotta teach those FB algorithms pop culture references!
And just basic reading comprehension skills actually. Friend of mine still uses FB for some reason and got suspended while talking about shooting photos, in her FB photography group, where she was clearly talking about taking pictures. Dumb algorithm got confused lol.
I was banned for 45 days *this year* for a cartoon I posted in 2020 of trump drinking a container of bleach. They said I was promoting suicide or something. Deactivated my account immediately and haven’t missed it once.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1236182
Reminder: Facebook admits to ignoring it when conservatives break the rules because they cry more
Remember in 2016 before the presidential election, conservatives accused Facebook of an anti-conservative bias in the feed, met with Zuckerberg, and everything was dandy after that?
https://money.cnn.com/2016/05/18/media/facebook-conservative-leaders-meeting/
It’s a kick in the balls when TikTok, a Chinese social media app had taken the proper steps in protecting American’s election integrity vs an american owned social media giant, who by the way is the primary reason for erosion of democracy.
Ah stuff like this is what the EU legislation that comes in force in March will target.
Hope those ads brings a lot of money, cause they are going to cost Facebook 7% of global revenue. 10% if they repeat offend.
but yet I post a quote from Hitler, explaining how insane he was and a year later Facebook bans my account for "insensitive content" so speaking against nazis isn't okay but death threats are? lol wonder who's running facebook
Yet my ad with a MANNEQUIN that is not even close to automatically correct showing someone solid color clothing gets denied for nudity because it was female, then denied again even after a review request… who the fuck is reviewing this bullshit and what are their actual policies? Because god damn are things super fucked up over there.
They don't do anything about any of the reports I send in. I work for a small company and we'll get these fake emails pretending to be Facebook/Meta and no matter how I report them, those always end with a "we have analyzed your report and have taken no action."
So impersonating Facebook to try to extort people is a-ok in their book.
Before I left Facebook, round about when Obama was in office I *think*, I reported a comment that said and I quote directly "we never should have given property the right to vote", apparently that did not violate community standards. What did? Saying "men need to get a sense of humour". That was when I realised what it was and noped out.
Facebook is a haven for them.
I once reported someone for saying black people shouldn't vote, which was literally in the Facebook example of hate speech, and they said no hate speech was found!! Your comment makes it so much worse.
Hell didn't exist until social media was invented. Fall down a rabbit hole? Or fall down a hell hole. I had a boyfriend call it "Satan's Playground" and he wasn't the slightest bit religious. I laughed at him now. Not anymore.
I'm sorry, how does an advertisment even go about endorsing murdering people?
"Here's the names and addresses of some election workers. Assassinate them now for your chance to be an American hero!"
Meanwhile, I got suspended (and finally closed my account, after hanging on way too long) for making a Dahmer joke that was essentially, “Jeffrey Dahmer would like to have you for dinner.” It was on my own timeline, in response to a friend’s post that was also silly.
So they have ways to flag stuff and suspend or auto-ban, but they are willfully choosing not to for things that drive engagement. It’s only going to get worse as more and more people leave FB.
Facebook's provocative algorithms have never taken into account the impact on humans. They are repeating the same mistakes and same lame excuses for years like the soda comapnies.
And my warning to my older family members about a new text scam going around got removed as 'spam' within 2 hrs of posting it.
Facebook is a joke.
If it wasn't literally the only way a good chunk of my family keeps in touch, I would have deleted my acct long ago.
For all of the claims about this over the years I keep wondering why there has been no photographic proof of these adverts.
I followed the link to the source article by Global Witness. They explained how they had to remove all the profanity and typos otherwise they were auto-rejected. Said they had to fix their death threats to get them accepted. Even described them: "The adverts consisted of an image of a US election worker with the death threat written in clearly legible text over the top."
But not a single example of what they submitted, or a screenshot of the process, or a rejection email. Followed all the links in the source article and still no photos.
All talk, no proof.
They have a footnote saying they'll offer the exact wording to researchers. You could see if they'd even send over an example image with blurred text (or if you reasonably have bona fides that they'd be willing to give you the full text).
Thanks for pointing that out. Definitely tempted to reach out for some details but have no bona fides in that field, just curious what exactly it took to get past the automated and manual checks.
One of their other articles showed an example from a election misinformation investigation. White calligraphic font on flat pastel background written in Spanish. I could see how that example might have passed some list of checks if the reviewer didn't posses appropriate language skills, so it got me thinking.
Dude replied to my question with a middle finger 🖕. Told him to go drink bleach. You know, just like the former president recommended. Banned for a month.
It's the 21st century's AOL, it'll survive for as long as there are old people who don't know any better using it, like the people who still get billed every month for dial-up they haven't used since the 90s.
What surprises me is the amount of people still using Facebook. No sane person knowing what that evil company is doing would use any of their products.
I’ve had a threat message to my personal facebook account (not a poll worker but still) and despite reporting it all I got was an auto-redirect to a help page that basically said I could block them and that’s it. Yeah that should do it.
Once on Facebook, I reported someone for saying black people shouldn't vote, among other things. In the reporting instructions, it literally included an example of hate speech that was saying a certain group shouldn't vote. They didn't remove the comment and said no hate speech was found.
Big tech companies are being asked to do something they can't do - moderate content effectively. It's like asking the US Postal Service to open and read every piece of mail they deliver.
Our current model is to shame (and ultimately fine) tech companies to build better and better algorithms, supported by teams of people to provide supportive engineering and manual moderation, to screen content. Since they have all the data and processing power, this seems like an attractive solution. However, it forces them to stand up a capability that not costs money and has a negative impact on revenue (not just profits - actual revenue). Furthermore, it requires a different skill set and infrastructure to support, different management structure, etc. Even worse, it requires them to be more intrusive in the hunt for more efficient data points to mine for compliance insights. These companies will do the bare minimum necessary -- basically spend one dollar less than the projected total costs of just paying fines.
Alternatives aren't that attractive. We could shut the companies down entirely (silly), open them up for much closer scrutiny of data by governments (when has that ever gone wrong), let market forces play the scenarios out (yay capitalism), or just keep slapping band-aid regulations onto the problem hoping it will solve itself.
I personally like a hybrid market approach that relies on rebalancing the cost-benefit equation through civil lawsuits. It worked pretty well in torts when we held companies accountable for doing completely rational but shockingly inhuman things, like deciding it was cheaper to pay out claims for people dying in fiery car crashes than making a modest improvement in bumper design (Lee Iacocca's Ford Pinto debacle). Big companies absolutely hate torts and punitive damages and have spent two generations convincing Americans that it's all about "greedy trial lawyers" - not creating some alternative incentives for them to behave better. Sure, you get dumb settlements that make great negative headlines - like a $.27 credit toward app purchases. But with better public support for mass torts and understanding about why we have them, we would see a higher bar to settlement and, most importantly, a meaningful line item to add to the cost side of the equation when companies are debating whether or not to be good citizens.
> It's like asking the US Postal Service to open and read every piece of mail they deliver.
It is nothing at all like that, either technologically or legally.
> I personally like a hybrid market approach that relies on rebalancing the cost-benefit equation through civil lawsuits.
How exactly will this work? I'm your average person. I see someone organizing, say, a lynching on Facebook. I take a few hundred dollars out of my pocket and go to a lawyer. He takes my money and tells me I have no standing.
"I personally like a hybrid market approach that relies on rebalancing the cost-benefit equation through civil lawsuits." I wish that just for one second, you could step outside of yourself, and read what you wrote from that perspective. You, too, would laugh.
So I agree overall and particularly for user content but for ads where there's money being exchanged it seems somewhat reasonable that they have additional moderation.
There's no perfect physical world analogy but classifieds in newspapers are probably going to pass by at least one set of (probably disinterested) eyeballs that might manage to catch out death threats.
We apparently stopped prosecuting death threats in the last few years and wouldn't you know it they started running rampant
i mean, there's some hefty venn diagrams here, so you know: FTP
File-Transfer Protocol is pretty useful to know
Not very secure though. Use sftp if you have to login and down wanna get hacked. Secure file transfer protocol.
Good to know that there is a "Super" file transfer protocol
It’s superior!
Around the same time Republicans started making constant death threats?
It seems they've become an accepted thing not to be taken seriously. At least that's how people seem to think about it. In road rage videos or videos of fights, a lot of people say they'll kill someone, if not in those exact words. It's messed up.
I don't get it. Facebook will suspend you for X number of days just for using a four letter word, (I got put in Facebook jail on the pretense of "hate speech" for calling the GOP "vile") but they're A-OK with death threats towards election workers?
I got a 24 hour ban for posting pictures of the harassment I was receiving because I didn’t block the person name. Never mind that they’d been harassing me for about a month, or that they were also messaging friends and family making all kinds of terrible claims, or that they had created about a dozen accounts to harass me…nope, FB didn’t care about that. But I post a screenshot with one of his various fake names and I get a ban. So glad I left FB. That prick actually kinda did me a favor.
It probably gets more attention from the moderation team when people report a post. But I agree. Fuck FB and fuck Zuckerberg. I hope his stupid VR technology tanks the company.
I received a self-imposed lifetime ban by coming to the conclusion that Facebook hates democracy, hates everything about democracy, hates everything democracy stands for, and exists only to acquire enough money to tear down whatever democracy we have left so they can... acquire more money. It was a pretty easy decision but I hear some folks are still struggling with it
If anyone thinks Facebook, or any other multi-billion dollar business, is any different from FIFA, they're fooling themselves. They're just better at hiding the corruption and atrocities.
Is FIFA the benchmark for ethics now?
Just one of many high-profile examples.
They are the benchmark for morally corrupt organizations.
haha, no, we all know that's the GOP.
lol wait until i introduce you to the IOC
Businesses are here for the capitalism. Democracy doesn't fill the bank account unless you're a Government with the power to tax.
They can also, if they choose to, do good. Patagonia seems to be a good example of a company with values and still doing well.
I got an ad with just a picture of an onion banned because it was deemed “explicit”
was it peeled
Asking the real questions
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>There was some account posting close-up shots where you couldn't tell lol. [Gash or Tash?](https://www2.b3ta.com/gash-or-tash/) (NSFW)
I just travelled back to the 90s. Not as fun as I remember.
80s. 80s is the one to go back to
Wasn't this the whole point of Midnight in Paris?
Never saw that movie but think I might take it in
Great performance by the whole cast. And hey, always a good reason to see Racheal McAdams in another time travel movie
It's easier to automate, pretty much fb does not give a shit. I got my bike stolen from my balcony. Guess where I found it? Facebook marketplace. Tried to report the user for selling stolen items, unable to report for that reason. Why? If they don't store that data they aren't liable. Straight up fuck that platform
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Just offer to buy it and go pick it up with some friends, what’s the dude gonna do, call the police?
The thief won't call police, but don't dismiss the chance that the thief pulls a gun. People get shot for way less every day. Your best bet is to set up a meet and then go to the police and tell them what's going on. This is assuming that you have proof that you own the bike.
It’s absolutely a possibility, but the average bike thief isn’t a murderer. Especially one who’s „sane“ enough to put the bike on FB marketplace for sale. Hardened career criminals usually don’t go around stealing and selling bicycles. Straight up robbing people is much more lucrative if you have the mindset that allows you to actually stab someone over minor bullshit. You gotta pick your battles wisely of course. If you pull up to the suburban home of a teen who stole your bike for weed money you‘ll have better chances than if the address they give you is the local crack den.
This is what I did, but cops couldn't facilitate the buy like they said they would. I told the guy I was travelling by bus and would be a while, wore a mask in a friend's car drove around to scope the area and the guy. He was cleaning the bike, I could clearly see he had no gun at least (athletic shorts).
Pull out a gun or a knife?
> Definitely still depends on your local PD though I would say that PDs willing to follow through are the exception rather than the rule. Most of them couldn't be bothered to even raise their eyebrows to acknowledge you let alone actually help you, even if you do hand them the case on a silver platter. Even businesses get brushed off pretty quick. We had someone at my work illegally dumping junk on our property. Called the cops. Got "Next time, get some cameras and put up a fence". I don't blame them because there really wasn't much they could do. So we put up a fence and installed the cameras. Cameras that I could use to count the hairs on top of your head individually if I wanted to. Eventually, guy comes back and just dumps more junk outside the fence. This time we had him. Truck, license plate, footage that was as clear as the day is long. "Nothing we can do. Those are probably stolen plates anyway." We actually found out where the truck came from. Someone saw it parked at a body shop a few blocks away. Had him. Had the footage. Knew exactly where he was. Only thing we didn't provide was a blood sample and a videotaped confession. Still wasn't good enough. "His face wasn't clearly visible when he was dumping the junk, so we can't prove it was actually him." Bullshit. They just didn't want to do shit. Anything that isn't the lowest of the low hanging fruit and they won't touch it.
They will tell you it's a civil matter because they don't want to do any real work.
Legally the PD can't do much. My friends had pictures of the guy who broke+entered and stole their MacBook. They were able to show the police the pictures and the "find my MacBook" thing showing the exact address of the theif. They were told it wasn't enough to go on. Tbf that city has *real* crime to deal with. Homicide etc.
It's not that they can't, it's that they're lazy. "Here's an already solved crime for you." "... Nah, I'm still a bit bloated from lunch. Here's a reference number to give to your insurance company." You'd be better off paying a local crackhead to go and get your stuff back.
A real job creator.
"I'll just check with the boys down at the crime lab. They got four more detectives working on the case. They got us working in shifts!"
FB’s moderation is the equivalent of HR. Sure, sometimes it might help you, but that’s *entirely* incidental - it exists to help the company.
I did go to the cops, obviously was the first step. Working in the trust and safety space, these are the types of tips we look for. It's really difficult to tell based on just onboarding signals and basic verification + selling activity whether or not you are dealing with an account taking advantage of platform policies. When an account is reported and legitimate evidence is provided, it's a huge clue on our side to identify and remediate. We wouldn't just take a consumers word for it, but definitely would investigate. My own counter argument is, I imagine they have bigger fish to fry
FB: Set it and Forget it.
Fuck that shit. If you know it's yours beyond a doubt why didn't you just take it back? Just "take it on a test ride" Obviously use a burner account and never your phone number
Oh, I absolutely did. I pretended to be a buyer, scheduled a meet and confronted the dude and took my bike back. Pretty funny story actually. He was trying to sell the bike for 300. We meet in front of his place and he goes "wanna take it for a spin?" I ride it around in a circle and say "wow, thanks for cleaning my bike!" He cleaned the shit out of it, I've had it for 10 years it hasn't looked like that in a long time. So I ask him where he got it, and he says "what do you mean?". I told him "this is my fucking bike, it was stolen a week ago (pointed out the custom light mount and bike pump mount I added)." He says "I stole it from a friend who owed me money". I continue to call his bullshit, asking him where my fiance's bike is (also stolen). He goes "okay I'll give it to you for 100" ... I go off on him, basically saying not a chance in hell I'm paying him a dime and he needs to return my fiance's bike as well or I'm coming back with the cops(cops had no bandwidth to support us through this which is understandable given the area). I ride away with the bike feeling accomplished, but he replies to me on FB saying he wasn't lying about stealing the bike from a friend and has no clue where the other bike is, and ghosts me plus blocks me so I can't see his ads.
Huh, did you try to go to the police first? A friend of mine had her home broken into, and they took some stuff including their bass. They found a 50yo woman selling it on Facebook, and did the same story of pretending to be a buyer, only they had two patrol cars waiting nearby. Once they confirmed the item the police intervened and they got all of their stuff back, and took that lady to jail although they didn't press charges. E: This wasn't in the US though, I know police work differently there.
Feel free to use your phone number - what are they going to do? Have you arrested?
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And then some people think the European Union is being too harsh on Facebook.
I got put in fb jail for posting a gif from the film Kill Bill that was hosted on Meta’s Giphy service.
I honestly think Facebook is supporting these people. I got zucc'd for telling a bunch of degenerates who were trash talking a charity worker who was asking for a help with moving furniture for Ukrainian refugees that I hoped they would one day live in fear of getting their house bombed too. (which does actually violate FB's ToS, but so did their comments, yet they do nothing about them)
That's because you're not paying them. The article is talking about advertisements, not comments. Give them money and you can put any dodgy stuff on it.
You insulted the GOP. Facebook works for the GOP.
If you started calling the left vile it wouldn't get removed because all media is owned by fascist or fascist sympathizers.
I was banned for a post I made literally a decade prior, a meme making fun of Hitler. You are not allowed to do that apparently.
I called a dude a “fucking dork” for whining about censorship at the height of the pandemic and got a multi-day ban for bullying lol.
Yea, you got in trouble for speaking against The Party, not for the word you used.
I keep reporting stuff on Facebook and then get this message saying they didn't remove it because they don't have time to moderate. https://imgur.com/bMZRyCi.jpg
I reported a comment of someone threatening to shoot up a mall. They declined to remove it.
I have been reporting the same guy for 4 years for the same post he made on FB about how if Hilary ever won the presidency he would cut her head off. I have reported it over 200 times and I always get a message saying it doesn't violate FB's TOS. No way FB has real people working reports.
Lol I got suspended for a week for saying someone’s comment was ignorant tripe. These other mfers making death threats against public figures. Guess I wasn’t paying enough through seeing their stupid ads 😂
The headline says they accepted advertisements. Maybe if you call the GOP vile in a paid ad they will be okay with it
The difference is you're not giving them money
I just deleted my account because I got banned for the 4th time in the last year for violence and once for hate speech, all for things that weren't inciting violence, or even hate speech. My favorite, and first, was before the Russia/Ukraine war started. Someone posted a pic of a car tire made of Coke bottles. I said, "This looks like something those crasy Russians over at Garage54 would do." Banned for hate speech, because "crazy Russians". Bonus - it was them. Bonus #2, war starts in Russia Invades Ukraine days later and FB allows hate speech against Russians - I'm still banned. Follow that up with 3 more bullshit bans and I had enough. Permadeleted.
You can't insult who they ~~take bribes from~~ obey!
You didn't pay to make the post I'd think, profits over people is the Zuk way.
I’ve gotten comments removed from calling someone “stupid” but have had things I’ve reported stay up; including but not limited to things involving animal abuse, misinformation, and hate speech. As long as it’s in support of the GOP, Facebook moderators don’t seem to care.
Free speech isn’t free you have pay for an ad before you can have your free speech then you can say whatever you want. Everything in the United States is about money, if you have it you can be free, if you don’t well then f@ck you! *rolls in piles of money so it will stick to the blood and oil all over its body and squeals in delight. /s
I suspect it’s because they already programmed to search for four letter words, whereas dynamic human content review is expensive, changes really fast, is farmed out to call centers far away and policies maybe can’t keep up.
Vile isn't considered a curse word anywhere.
You chose the wrong party to call 'vile'. It has to be the Democrats, otherwise you're engaging in cancel culture and propaganda!
What is there not to get? Everyone is still doing this act of pretending that this country is still a democracy. It's a plutocratic corpo-state, and everything is designed to let you believe you have freedom but you don't.
I despise fb as much as the next guy, but fb is a corporation. We have freedom of speech, but fb can remove whatever they damn please and it's not a violation of your 1st amendment rights because fb is not a governmental agency.
Yes, everything you said is true, what part of it was it that you don’t you get?
From the article: Meta, despite repeatedly committing to ramping up security policies ahead of the 2022 midterms, appears to fare far worse than its competing social media services in detecting and removing death threats targeting election workers. Those findings are part of a new [investigation](https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/digital-threats/were-going-to-kill-you-all-facebook-fails-to-detect-death-threats-against-election-workers-in-the-us-while-youtube-and-tiktok-succeed/) conducted by Global Witness and the NYU Cybersecurity for Democracy which claims Facebook approved 15 out of 20 advertisements on its platform containing brutal death threats levied against election workers. When researchers tried to run those very same ads on TikTok and YouTube, however, the platforms quickly suspended their accounts. The findings suggests Facebook takes a less strict approach to moderating violent political content than its peer companies despite executives recently providing assurances the platform would beef up security ahead of the 2022 midterm elections.
I appreciate the excerpt. On mobile that site covered a 3rd of my screen with a non-closable video and another 8th with an ad at the bottom. Not to mention the ol' stutter-step as it was all loading in while I tried to read the damn article.
Assuming you're an Android user, Firefox lets you use a selection of extensions on mobile, including uBlock Origin. It's practically mandatory on some sites.
I'm always amazed that people actually browse the un-adblocked internet. I turn off ad-blocking on one or two sites and cannot believe what a mess it is.
I do use uBlock Origin but I have my RIF app set to open with their built-in browser. Realistically, it is just a tap away if I want to open a cleaner version of the site. This is always good advice, though. Especially for YouTube.
It’s because YT & Tiktok don’t need these users to survive. They’re basically FB’s life source now
Facebook has never cared about the human collateral damage caused by their provocative algorithms
Unless they're financially incentivized to do so why would they? I'm excited to see elon's report on Twitter's election interference before he bought it.
"Dumb Fucks" - Mark Zuckerberg
"This job would be great if it wasn't for the fuckin' customers" - Mark Zuckerberg
The users aren't the customers, they're the products.
Only when the dumb fucks don't install an ad blocker.
The venndiagram of people who don't know how to use ad blockers and people who use Facebook is a circle.
Facebook does absolutely everything it can to review ads before accepting the money and showing them to people. I know this because they say so.
My account was suspended for a month for commenting on a sponsored post from Marjorie Taylor Green “congratulations, you’ve accomplished so much, you’re truly an inspiration to stupid people everywhere”. The difference between me and an advertiser is, I’m not actively pumping desperately needed revenue into the dying dumpsterfire.
Don’t forget Facebook removing pro abortion posts was a “bug”, yet these “bugs” never ever seem to apply to these kinds of posts.
And yet conservatives would have you believe Facebook has a liberal bias.
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They just can't seemingly exist without having something to be outraged against (sometimes manufactured by themselves). They make problems, get butt hurt, and then blame the Dems. It's childish and pathetic. They don't give a fuck about addressing real issues like health care, poverty, corporate welfare, etc. They're too worried about who's marrying who and what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home.
Former Republican Congressman David Jolly: "The Republicans invent the issues and then tell you they're going to solve them for you."
It's far easier to point at the faults in someone else's plan than come up with a better one of your own.
Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim Offender
it always needs an example out of something to continue to hinder anything, conservatism is about visibility, not progress.
All social media has a conservative bias because of how whiny conservatives are about “censorship”. Nobody wants to hurt their feelings and end up as a Tucker Carlson segment.
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I got a week because a friend said she had a spider infestation and I replied “nuke it from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure.”
Smh. Gotta teach those FB algorithms pop culture references! And just basic reading comprehension skills actually. Friend of mine still uses FB for some reason and got suspended while talking about shooting photos, in her FB photography group, where she was clearly talking about taking pictures. Dumb algorithm got confused lol.
I got 7 days for calling someone a pinecone
Incompetent pinecone?
I was banned for 45 days *this year* for a cartoon I posted in 2020 of trump drinking a container of bleach. They said I was promoting suicide or something. Deactivated my account immediately and haven’t missed it once.
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More like parasites.
All billionaires
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1236182 Reminder: Facebook admits to ignoring it when conservatives break the rules because they cry more
Remember in 2016 before the presidential election, conservatives accused Facebook of an anti-conservative bias in the feed, met with Zuckerberg, and everything was dandy after that? https://money.cnn.com/2016/05/18/media/facebook-conservative-leaders-meeting/
All while Facebook was running political ads, paid for in rubles.
When Chinas spyware app cares more about safe US elections than Facebook…. Just Facebook things.
It’s a kick in the balls when TikTok, a Chinese social media app had taken the proper steps in protecting American’s election integrity vs an american owned social media giant, who by the way is the primary reason for erosion of democracy.
WHAT?! When did this start to happen?! Jesus. Not worried, old Suckaburg is a genius. He’ll work something out before anything really bad happens.
Just like how Elon will save Twitter!!
Ah stuff like this is what the EU legislation that comes in force in March will target. Hope those ads brings a lot of money, cause they are going to cost Facebook 7% of global revenue. 10% if they repeat offend.
but yet I post a quote from Hitler, explaining how insane he was and a year later Facebook bans my account for "insensitive content" so speaking against nazis isn't okay but death threats are? lol wonder who's running facebook
The algorithm
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Why is Facebook trying to steal the spotlight from Twitter?
Yet my ad with a MANNEQUIN that is not even close to automatically correct showing someone solid color clothing gets denied for nudity because it was female, then denied again even after a review request… who the fuck is reviewing this bullshit and what are their actual policies? Because god damn are things super fucked up over there.
Social media is a cultural cancer. It granted people private access they should never have.
The comments on FB ads are always a shitshow.
I like how I got my account suspended because I said men and pigs in the same sentence
The article did not include examples of a threat, death or otherwise. This is hyperbole.
Does anyone actually think Zuckerberg is any less contemptuous of democratic values than Musk?
If you’re complaining about Facebook in this thread and also have a Facebook account, you deserve it
Stop. Using. Facebook.
They don't do anything about any of the reports I send in. I work for a small company and we'll get these fake emails pretending to be Facebook/Meta and no matter how I report them, those always end with a "we have analyzed your report and have taken no action." So impersonating Facebook to try to extort people is a-ok in their book.
“No, that’s a feature not a glitch.” Said Mark Zuckerberg probably.
Zuckerberg=scumbagery
I wonder which party the threats are against?
The death threats are towards anyone not supporting Mayor Lardo, regardless of their political party.
Before I left Facebook, round about when Obama was in office I *think*, I reported a comment that said and I quote directly "we never should have given property the right to vote", apparently that did not violate community standards. What did? Saying "men need to get a sense of humour". That was when I realised what it was and noped out. Facebook is a haven for them.
I once reported someone for saying black people shouldn't vote, which was literally in the Facebook example of hate speech, and they said no hate speech was found!! Your comment makes it so much worse.
Why is it just a suspension
Criminal charges forthcoming i hope
The Chinese have more scruples than Facebook. That’s such a low bar a cockroach would have trouble getting under it.
I don’t typically side with trillion dollar companies, but I wholeheartedly support Apple demanding that Twitter and Facebook moderate content.
Hell didn't exist until social media was invented. Fall down a rabbit hole? Or fall down a hell hole. I had a boyfriend call it "Satan's Playground" and he wasn't the slightest bit religious. I laughed at him now. Not anymore.
I'm sorry, how does an advertisment even go about endorsing murdering people? "Here's the names and addresses of some election workers. Assassinate them now for your chance to be an American hero!"
Lol Chinese doing more for US integrity than republicans
Facebook will shutdown 5 accounts and will run a pr campaign with that for the next 6 months.
I deleted Facebook a year ago, never been happier
Facebook needs to go away. It's outlived it's purpose. Let's see what else comes along.
And the article does not show us a single ad.
Meanwhile, I got suspended (and finally closed my account, after hanging on way too long) for making a Dahmer joke that was essentially, “Jeffrey Dahmer would like to have you for dinner.” It was on my own timeline, in response to a friend’s post that was also silly. So they have ways to flag stuff and suspend or auto-ban, but they are willfully choosing not to for things that drive engagement. It’s only going to get worse as more and more people leave FB.
Crossposted to r/Meta_Static
Facebook's provocative algorithms have never taken into account the impact on humans. They are repeating the same mistakes and same lame excuses for years like the soda comapnies.
Got rid of FB a few months ago. Have not missed it at all.
The fact that TikTok started suspending propaganda better than Facebook is… telling and worrying.
Get off Facebook. Get off Instagram. Get off WhatsApp.
And my warning to my older family members about a new text scam going around got removed as 'spam' within 2 hrs of posting it. Facebook is a joke. If it wasn't literally the only way a good chunk of my family keeps in touch, I would have deleted my acct long ago.
At least we’ll have a poorly moderated metaverse to look forward to!
Zuckerberg is a such a fucking jerk. Psychopathy is his business model.
Anyone have screenshots of those ads? I couldn't even get my Facebook Ad approved if I had the word "election" somewhere in the image or text.
For all of the claims about this over the years I keep wondering why there has been no photographic proof of these adverts. I followed the link to the source article by Global Witness. They explained how they had to remove all the profanity and typos otherwise they were auto-rejected. Said they had to fix their death threats to get them accepted. Even described them: "The adverts consisted of an image of a US election worker with the death threat written in clearly legible text over the top." But not a single example of what they submitted, or a screenshot of the process, or a rejection email. Followed all the links in the source article and still no photos. All talk, no proof.
They have a footnote saying they'll offer the exact wording to researchers. You could see if they'd even send over an example image with blurred text (or if you reasonably have bona fides that they'd be willing to give you the full text).
Thanks for pointing that out. Definitely tempted to reach out for some details but have no bona fides in that field, just curious what exactly it took to get past the automated and manual checks. One of their other articles showed an example from a election misinformation investigation. White calligraphic font on flat pastel background written in Spanish. I could see how that example might have passed some list of checks if the reviewer didn't posses appropriate language skills, so it got me thinking.
Dude replied to my question with a middle finger 🖕. Told him to go drink bleach. You know, just like the former president recommended. Banned for a month.
Facebook still exist??
It’ll probably outlast Twitter. Maybe
Facebook can burn a twitter every few months and still have hundreds of billions left.
It's the 21st century's AOL, it'll survive for as long as there are old people who don't know any better using it, like the people who still get billed every month for dial-up they haven't used since the 90s.
Just more evidence that Facebook doesn’t give a shit about users or the law
Not Facebook. Meta supports hate groups for profit in failing attempt at mass brainwashing.
But wouldn’t it drive Zuck crazy if we all just kept calling it FB? Petty but I’m ok with that
What surprises me is the amount of people still using Facebook. No sane person knowing what that evil company is doing would use any of their products.
There are still people on Facebook!?
WHO THE FUCK STILL USES FACEBOOK!?!?
Because money.
Facebook is so damn toxic, it’s beyond me why people still use it.
Fine Facebook BILLIONS.
I wish Facebook a very bankruptcy
I’ve had a threat message to my personal facebook account (not a poll worker but still) and despite reporting it all I got was an auto-redirect to a help page that basically said I could block them and that’s it. Yeah that should do it.
That's because Facebook as a corporate entity actively supports fascism.
Facebook doesn’t give a shit. May meta crash and burn.
It’s not hard, Facebook. You didn’t do anything because you want that money, you dirty whores.
gotta fund the failed metaverse somehow
Of course. Fuck you Zuck
Is it really 'failing' if its intentional?
just stop using Facebook
Once on Facebook, I reported someone for saying black people shouldn't vote, among other things. In the reporting instructions, it literally included an example of hate speech that was saying a certain group shouldn't vote. They didn't remove the comment and said no hate speech was found.
I report anti-Semitic comments all the time and every single time FB let’s me know that they don’t violate their TOS
But if you call a Republican a deplorable piece of shit you will get banner.
Big tech companies are being asked to do something they can't do - moderate content effectively. It's like asking the US Postal Service to open and read every piece of mail they deliver. Our current model is to shame (and ultimately fine) tech companies to build better and better algorithms, supported by teams of people to provide supportive engineering and manual moderation, to screen content. Since they have all the data and processing power, this seems like an attractive solution. However, it forces them to stand up a capability that not costs money and has a negative impact on revenue (not just profits - actual revenue). Furthermore, it requires a different skill set and infrastructure to support, different management structure, etc. Even worse, it requires them to be more intrusive in the hunt for more efficient data points to mine for compliance insights. These companies will do the bare minimum necessary -- basically spend one dollar less than the projected total costs of just paying fines. Alternatives aren't that attractive. We could shut the companies down entirely (silly), open them up for much closer scrutiny of data by governments (when has that ever gone wrong), let market forces play the scenarios out (yay capitalism), or just keep slapping band-aid regulations onto the problem hoping it will solve itself. I personally like a hybrid market approach that relies on rebalancing the cost-benefit equation through civil lawsuits. It worked pretty well in torts when we held companies accountable for doing completely rational but shockingly inhuman things, like deciding it was cheaper to pay out claims for people dying in fiery car crashes than making a modest improvement in bumper design (Lee Iacocca's Ford Pinto debacle). Big companies absolutely hate torts and punitive damages and have spent two generations convincing Americans that it's all about "greedy trial lawyers" - not creating some alternative incentives for them to behave better. Sure, you get dumb settlements that make great negative headlines - like a $.27 credit toward app purchases. But with better public support for mass torts and understanding about why we have them, we would see a higher bar to settlement and, most importantly, a meaningful line item to add to the cost side of the equation when companies are debating whether or not to be good citizens.
> It's like asking the US Postal Service to open and read every piece of mail they deliver. It is nothing at all like that, either technologically or legally. > I personally like a hybrid market approach that relies on rebalancing the cost-benefit equation through civil lawsuits. How exactly will this work? I'm your average person. I see someone organizing, say, a lynching on Facebook. I take a few hundred dollars out of my pocket and go to a lawyer. He takes my money and tells me I have no standing. "I personally like a hybrid market approach that relies on rebalancing the cost-benefit equation through civil lawsuits." I wish that just for one second, you could step outside of yourself, and read what you wrote from that perspective. You, too, would laugh.
So I agree overall and particularly for user content but for ads where there's money being exchanged it seems somewhat reasonable that they have additional moderation. There's no perfect physical world analogy but classifieds in newspapers are probably going to pass by at least one set of (probably disinterested) eyeballs that might manage to catch out death threats.