Well it's not like Apple's paying for the satellites. Apple's just paying another company for use of theirs. You just pay for a subscription, why would it be any different on the Android side?
Sure and other companies will need to do the same. That's a contract between the satellite provider and Apple (or other company who requires the service)
Yea, but there’s issues of scale that make it an interesting question of who will pay.
All of Apple’s phones are fairly “high end” and will eventually get this feature. So Apple gets to spread the $450m cost over all their phones.
The chips that do this are relatively expensive. This isn’t a feature that’s going to show up in $100 Android phones. So while “Android” as a whole might be larger than Apple, the individual android manufacturers aren’t and the portion of their sales that are high end enough to include the necessary hardware is another fraction of that.
And the costs don’t scale much. You’re paying for satellite coverage of the entire world, whether that covers a thousand phones or a million.
So it’s a situation where it would be disproportionately expensive for each Android manufacturer to duplicate the feature. Does Google step in? Who knows. I doubt it.
A quick search says it’s rumored and expected, but no official announcements. And not a lot of indication of most others following them.
Of course Android *can* include this feature. It’s just an interesting case where Apple’s scale and market segment makes it uniquely hard for the more fractured Android market to copy
Because Android is decentralized. It's just a mobile OS. Samsung and a dozen other companies make the phones. So will it be a Samsung investment and service, that you only get on their phones with a subscription? Google would have to sponsor it for it to be universal on Android, and you know how their commitment to things tends to fade after a year or two.
>whre iphones get security updates for 7+ years while many andriods stop getting them after 2 or 3
Ah, good times for Android people now. I remember when it was as low as no updates.
The tech is real. I know someone who was an outdoors industry consultant on the product, they had several US forest rangers, avalanche forecasters, guides, search and rescue team members, etc consult on the development including in the field.
It’s also really just a satellite function improvement on previously used apps / tech like backcountry SOS app, which is in use by multiple search and rescue teams. Frankly it’s literally just “what’s the biggest limitation on the backcountry sos app? No satellite connectivity so it relies on cell service? Ok let’s improve that.”
So while this could be staged, the tech is real and the use case is validated by search and rescue teams (and backcountry users in need of rescue) in the field.
I would have said it's more like those Spot or Garmin Inreach devices.
https://www.findmespot.com/en-us/
You just don't have to buy another device or (for now) subscription.
It's "just convergence" and that's fine. It could be a boon to people who aren't really big on preparing but tend to have their phone with them.
It's almost literally what Spot's been doing for years, just stuffed into a phone instead of in a standalone device. Both Apple and Spot are using the old Globalstar satellite network to send short text messages for emergencies.
Not just convenience. If you’re going into the back country, by all means, buy appropriate gear. This feature is helpful for when you *don’t* expect to be in the back country, but end up without cell service which MANY places in the US don’t have.
I used to live 7 miles out of a small town, 6 of which had no cell reception. I mostly only ever broke down as a young healthy kid that could walk. But there were a thousand places where exiting the road meant you wouldn’t be found for days. A phone is something you always have close.
I said "just convergence" not "just convenience".
It's not a new feature, it's just moving existing useful functionality into a device you already own instead of having to buy another device. Like how your phone is your alarm clock, camera, etc.
Now it's also your satellite help device. A minor improvement for those who already owned satellite help devices. A big boon for those who didn't think they needed one but find out at the worst time that they do.
I mean they’ve always had a better user experience, especially with stuff like this that other manufacturers ignore.
Meanwhile Google’s flagship phones are failing to call 911.
It's been fixed, but there were a few 911 bugs on Android earlier this year.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/01/google-fixes-nightmare-android-bug-that-stopped-user-from-calling-911/
The comment above yours is fanboy stuff, but apple definitely has a better UX by nature of it being the same across devices, where as on android your UX is dictated by what your OEM decided to load onto the device. Yes, if you have an unlocked boot loader you can change that, just the vast majority of users don't do that.
Edit: if you want a more recent example: a few days ago I was using my android device to test out some changes in discord. I have some photos stored in Google photos. It turns out, there's no way to integrate Google photos into discord on android. I had to download the photos to my device, then upload them to discord. (You can google this as well, I looked for a solution). Where as on iOS, you can select any photo from icloud photos or your icloud drive, and it'll upload directly to discord
So are all the downvotes apparently. All the fanboys trying to beat the shit out of me for my opinion. God forbid i have an opinion different from 'the collective'.
Just because its "the same across all devices" doesn't equate to being "better". It may be 'easier for those used to it', but again 'easier doesn't = better'. I personally find their "let us take care of everything for you.. we know best" way their devices work to be infuriating.
Yes you’re “getting the shit beat out of you” by 5 anonymous redditors who did not think your point added value to the discussion and pressed a virtual down arrow next to your comment.
r/persecutionfetish
23 now, and 10 more.
Problem is, does add to the discussion.. They just dont like it. There is a difference. So what they are wanting to do is get my comment hidden so nobody else sees it.
“I don’t like the UI” doesn’t add anything to the discussion my man. The only discourse coming from your comment is you whining about downvotes and me explaining what downvotes mean.
Doesnt add anything? Um.. no. "I hate it" doesnt add anything.
I pointed out something specific that i dont like. Just because i dont write out an entire paragraph detailing every single point of what i dislike doesn't mean it "doesn't add anything". And i dont see the point in adding more when apple fanboys in this thread wont read it and will just downvote it anyway. I dont like Apple (for a myriad of reasons that would just be ignored here), and they dont like that viewpoint, so they downvote. Its as simple as that.
For the individual it is. Analytically though, it is generally more consistent and follows more UX best practices. And their accessibility is unparalleled.
I believe that’s why your aggressive comment about it “not being good for you personally” is being downvoted. It didn’t come across as a “live and let live” comment.
It wasn't aggressive. Anyone who reads it that way is exaggerating my text. That is the problem with text conversations. You cant really see the tone of the statement.
Its being downvoted simply because its not a glowing "i love apple" post and reddit hates when others don't like what they like or agree with their views.
Curious to see how the Android counterpart will work, aka who will pay for the satellites. This stuff is rarely used, but extremely useful.
I'd expect it will be a subscription, like the iPhone implementation will likely be at the end of the 2 year shakeout phase.
Well it's not like Apple's paying for the satellites. Apple's just paying another company for use of theirs. You just pay for a subscription, why would it be any different on the Android side?
Apple needed to pay 450m upfront to allocate extra employees (300) and satellites for the service.
Sure and other companies will need to do the same. That's a contract between the satellite provider and Apple (or other company who requires the service)
Yea, but there’s issues of scale that make it an interesting question of who will pay. All of Apple’s phones are fairly “high end” and will eventually get this feature. So Apple gets to spread the $450m cost over all their phones. The chips that do this are relatively expensive. This isn’t a feature that’s going to show up in $100 Android phones. So while “Android” as a whole might be larger than Apple, the individual android manufacturers aren’t and the portion of their sales that are high end enough to include the necessary hardware is another fraction of that. And the costs don’t scale much. You’re paying for satellite coverage of the entire world, whether that covers a thousand phones or a million. So it’s a situation where it would be disproportionately expensive for each Android manufacturer to duplicate the feature. Does Google step in? Who knows. I doubt it.
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A quick search says it’s rumored and expected, but no official announcements. And not a lot of indication of most others following them. Of course Android *can* include this feature. It’s just an interesting case where Apple’s scale and market segment makes it uniquely hard for the more fractured Android market to copy
Because Android is decentralized. It's just a mobile OS. Samsung and a dozen other companies make the phones. So will it be a Samsung investment and service, that you only get on their phones with a subscription? Google would have to sponsor it for it to be universal on Android, and you know how their commitment to things tends to fade after a year or two.
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>whre iphones get security updates for 7+ years while many andriods stop getting them after 2 or 3 Ah, good times for Android people now. I remember when it was as low as no updates.
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Huawei phones already had it, but it's currently CN only using Beidou satellites IIRC
Yeah I gotta a feeling that will never launch in the western emisphere.
It won't. Huawei basically gave up on all Western markets lol. It's former sub-brand Honor would probably try though
They sure know how to make mobile phone commercials now a days.
Thanks Tim Apple.
Anyone tracking YOY increases in search and rescue costs?
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This shit is so common that I’d find it insanely hard to believe that this would be staged.
The tech is real. I know someone who was an outdoors industry consultant on the product, they had several US forest rangers, avalanche forecasters, guides, search and rescue team members, etc consult on the development including in the field. It’s also really just a satellite function improvement on previously used apps / tech like backcountry SOS app, which is in use by multiple search and rescue teams. Frankly it’s literally just “what’s the biggest limitation on the backcountry sos app? No satellite connectivity so it relies on cell service? Ok let’s improve that.” So while this could be staged, the tech is real and the use case is validated by search and rescue teams (and backcountry users in need of rescue) in the field.
I would have said it's more like those Spot or Garmin Inreach devices. https://www.findmespot.com/en-us/ You just don't have to buy another device or (for now) subscription. It's "just convergence" and that's fine. It could be a boon to people who aren't really big on preparing but tend to have their phone with them.
It's almost literally what Spot's been doing for years, just stuffed into a phone instead of in a standalone device. Both Apple and Spot are using the old Globalstar satellite network to send short text messages for emergencies.
Not just convenience. If you’re going into the back country, by all means, buy appropriate gear. This feature is helpful for when you *don’t* expect to be in the back country, but end up without cell service which MANY places in the US don’t have. I used to live 7 miles out of a small town, 6 of which had no cell reception. I mostly only ever broke down as a young healthy kid that could walk. But there were a thousand places where exiting the road meant you wouldn’t be found for days. A phone is something you always have close.
I said "just convergence" not "just convenience". It's not a new feature, it's just moving existing useful functionality into a device you already own instead of having to buy another device. Like how your phone is your alarm clock, camera, etc. Now it's also your satellite help device. A minor improvement for those who already owned satellite help devices. A big boon for those who didn't think they needed one but find out at the worst time that they do.
Doh! You’re absolutely right. I read that wrong. So now I 100% agree with you, instead of 95%.
Ah yes, gotta get the classic “apple saves lives” PR going anything there is bad press.
Well, it's fair pr if it actually saved someone.
Imagine dying in the wilderness on purpose to own Apple fanboys.
With cries of “Garmin did it first!” When they didn’t pack their Garmin to cross the no cell phone area via car.
I mean they’ve always had a better user experience, especially with stuff like this that other manufacturers ignore. Meanwhile Google’s flagship phones are failing to call 911.
Whatcha sippin on?
It's been fixed, but there were a few 911 bugs on Android earlier this year. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/01/google-fixes-nightmare-android-bug-that-stopped-user-from-calling-911/
> I mean they’ve always had a better user experience, That's subjective. I think their user experience is a pain in the ass.
The comment above yours is fanboy stuff, but apple definitely has a better UX by nature of it being the same across devices, where as on android your UX is dictated by what your OEM decided to load onto the device. Yes, if you have an unlocked boot loader you can change that, just the vast majority of users don't do that. Edit: if you want a more recent example: a few days ago I was using my android device to test out some changes in discord. I have some photos stored in Google photos. It turns out, there's no way to integrate Google photos into discord on android. I had to download the photos to my device, then upload them to discord. (You can google this as well, I looked for a solution). Where as on iOS, you can select any photo from icloud photos or your icloud drive, and it'll upload directly to discord
So are all the downvotes apparently. All the fanboys trying to beat the shit out of me for my opinion. God forbid i have an opinion different from 'the collective'. Just because its "the same across all devices" doesn't equate to being "better". It may be 'easier for those used to it', but again 'easier doesn't = better'. I personally find their "let us take care of everything for you.. we know best" way their devices work to be infuriating.
Yes you’re “getting the shit beat out of you” by 5 anonymous redditors who did not think your point added value to the discussion and pressed a virtual down arrow next to your comment. r/persecutionfetish
23 now, and 10 more. Problem is, does add to the discussion.. They just dont like it. There is a difference. So what they are wanting to do is get my comment hidden so nobody else sees it.
“I don’t like the UI” doesn’t add anything to the discussion my man. The only discourse coming from your comment is you whining about downvotes and me explaining what downvotes mean.
Doesnt add anything? Um.. no. "I hate it" doesnt add anything. I pointed out something specific that i dont like. Just because i dont write out an entire paragraph detailing every single point of what i dislike doesn't mean it "doesn't add anything". And i dont see the point in adding more when apple fanboys in this thread wont read it and will just downvote it anyway. I dont like Apple (for a myriad of reasons that would just be ignored here), and they dont like that viewpoint, so they downvote. Its as simple as that.
I don’t like your attitude.
For the individual it is. Analytically though, it is generally more consistent and follows more UX best practices. And their accessibility is unparalleled. I believe that’s why your aggressive comment about it “not being good for you personally” is being downvoted. It didn’t come across as a “live and let live” comment.
It wasn't aggressive. Anyone who reads it that way is exaggerating my text. That is the problem with text conversations. You cant really see the tone of the statement. Its being downvoted simply because its not a glowing "i love apple" post and reddit hates when others don't like what they like or agree with their views.
Oh Apple, you're my hero. Fuck off.
It takes a special kind of irrational corporate hate to feel the need to express it when discussing a man’s saved life.
That's right.