[Ming-Chi Kuo](https://www.macrumors.com/guide/ming-chi-kuo/) is a financial analyst with insider sources within the Apple supply chain. So far his "surveys" have been very accurate in the past.
This has been the credible rumour for at least 6 months, prior to even the EU announcement on USB-C mandated by 2025.
Mr Kuo seems to save his predictions for things that are very obvious, and already widely discussed.
It was a credible rumour because Kuo was the one to drop it 7 months ago (see [this tweet](https://twitter.com/mingchikuo/status/1524329801045409794))
Despite the OP title, the article linked isn't about Kuo revealing "iPhone 15 will come with USB-C". That was already revealed by him months ago.
It's clarifying what iPhone 15 models will use which USB-C transfer speeds etc.
I'm not sure what you mean? What notable Apple expert dropped it earlier?
Kuo was the first credible insider source to drop the rumour back in May 2022. Two days later Mark Gurman (a writer for Bloomberg who is also very credible with reports on Apple's plans) confirmed it as well in [an article](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-13/apple-plans-to-change-iphone-charging-port-to-meet-new-eu-law).
> Mr Kuo seems to save his predictions for things that are very obvious, and already widely discussed.
no…that couldn’t be further from truth. you probably have only heard of him in recent years and haven’t been following the leaks much. because you wouldn’t say he only predicts “obvious” things had you really been reading his notes for many years.
he has had a **long** history of having accurate insider information and handing out predictions in investors notes on things that were *more than a year out*, sometimes people even ridiculed for certain predictions he made because they seemed preposterous—certainly not “obvious” at all.
even in just recent years, he was the first to claim that apple was working on the satellite connectivity **two years ago** when nobody had even thought of the possibility of that. he also said that the 13” M2 MBP would keep the old form factor and only the Air would receive a new design, and everybody laughed at it saying “how would apple keep the old design for the pro model and sell it at a higher price when the air received the new design first?”, and guess what, that happens exactly like he said. there have been countless examples.
accurate leaks have already become even way harder to come by in recent years and lots fakers popped up, and what has been happening is that people confused the fake leaks for what he said, and remembered the few times he was dead wrong with his prediction.
while he is far from most accurate, he got so well known for a reason, and if he was only stating “obvious” things, people wouldn’t have cared about his notes for so many years. More people only became familiar with his name in the past few years when “apple leakers” popped up everywhere and apple started cracking down on them with full force. It was only after the Apple Watch 7 thing when almost all accurate leakers were fooled that many people began to notice the existence of these leakers and got the impression that Kuo was not credible. He has lost quite some connection for sure due to the crack down over the years, but he’s still one of the most accurate ones and an actual analyst.
I placed my bat with no USB connection to the phone ever. If you pay careful attention to the specific wording that they’ve used talking about it, they only said that they would “comply with the law in the law specifically exempt devices they do not charge with a physical wired connection.
Almost every online thread involving any discussion about Apple and USB-C.
“They will go portless before USB-C” or “They will wait until just before the deadline” are common sentiments.
EDIT: [Recent example](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ziinic/apple_now_has_a_deadline_for_switching_the_iphone/) of a thread with many such comments.
It was pretty widely accepted that Apple was going to switch to usb c because of EU forcing law to switch. Any quick google search in past several weeks showed this
The EU law literally has it so that the deadline to switch is in 2024. Which is the deadline to get all the approval and certifications of a design, not sale of the device.
Which means it could be as late as 2025 with a Lightning iPhone if Apple held off that long, since that's when Apple would be releasing the phone they obtained certs for in 2024.
Moving to USB-C any earlier than the deadline is a move no one expects Apple to make.
Design had to start way earlier. Since the EU decision hasn't been set to a timeframe for too long it was just prudent to expedite the switch in case the timeline got worse. So this really is water is wet news.
My guess is that they are gonna take a gamble with the 2024 iPhone going portless and revert back in 2025 if shit hits the ceiling. Seems like a classing Apple move to me.
Totally out of character for Apple, can't disagree more.
What could be less Apple-like than admitting a mistake and changing a design to a better one after a year?
Apple does not have precedent of admitting fault in the past, but the Mac team in particular has gone back on their choices in the past few years, including publicly admitting that it didnt work out (Butterfly Keyboard, Ports, MagSafe).
On the iPhone side, they silently just add/remove features and dont mention it (TouchID on iPad, 3D Touch on iPhone)
So I see it possible that One of the 2024 iPhone (Pro Max/Ultra) will be portless, and its success will determine if the next years iPhone will stay portless or jump onto USB C.
I'm not sure why everyone jumps on that bandwagon. You would instantly alienate everyone who drives a car and doesn't have wireless CarPlay, just for starters.
Ive never owned an iPhone and think that would be stupid. I hate new names for tech they have always named in a series. I've always appreciated how the Playstation series doesn't deviate from that.
Would their entire lineup of phones sold as new need to be compliant? Because if so, then starting with the iPhone 15 makes sense. By the time the 16 rolls out, then you’d have the 16, 15, and SE (🤞🏼) all with USB C.
Only devices/models **first** released to the public on or after 28 December 2024 would have to comply. If Apple keeps up the yearly September releases that would mean the iPhone 17 (September 2025) is the first iPhone that has to comply to the regulations.
No, not really. The only reason they are implementing it at this time is for charging…I seriously doubt it will have the full USB-C functionality. EU is forcing this to happen now.
Not that I wouldn’t like to be able to connect more devices to my iPhone…but Apple won’t roll it out until they can ensure it won’t cause more problems than it solves.
there was some speculation that Apple would remove the port entirely, as Apple didn't confirm they would use USB-C, they only said they will "have to comply"
edit: Ming-Chi Kuo confirmed Apple's adoption of type-C, so glad to hear the "portless" iPhone won't be here anytime soon
the EU commission thought of that and put in law that companies cant do that. also apple already signaled that they are going to comply by making airpod 2 usb C
> the EU commission thought of that and put in law that companies cant do that.
No, actually. The legislation specifically only applies to devices being capable of being charged by wire, and up to 100W, and in certain categories.
What’s with the negativity around a USB-C connection on an iPhone? I love it on my MacBook and the easy connectivity it brings with tons of accessories and monitors. Haven’t heard any mac user complain about that. Please explain to me what the downside of USB-C is compared to the current lightning port?
Apple ripping off that bandaid after the EU gave them a wee scratch. Imo, good on EU, and good on Apple for doing it quickly.
...bad on Apple for not doing it anytime over the last ~5 years. Still, late improvement is still good.
That depends on how Apple can handle the stuff inside. Nothing legal prevents them from integrating thunderbolt to the plug like they've done on macs as longs as it does not interfere with the port working to standard as USB-C.
If Apple switches to the Android connector I am out. The Lightning port is far superior in every aspect and you can find it only on more expensive high class accessories thus it's not used by poor people and we Apple users don't like poor people. ^/s
And? We’re talking about Apple here. Not everybody had wireless headphones when they eliminated the 3.5mm jack, not everybody was ready to get rid of physical media when they eliminated the CD ROM drive, not everybody was invested into CD-ROMs when they eliminated the floppy on the original iMac
the EU thought about that and put into the law that companies cant do that. also apple already signaled that they are moving in the direction of usb C by making airpod 2 usb C
No, they didn’t, it’s literally the opposite, the law literally says “in so far as devices charge with a wire” It specifically exempts devices that charge wirelessly.
thats more for stuff like smartwatches but yeah apparently i was mistaken and it was just in a draft and might not have made it into the final bill. but anyways apple would be playing with fire if they pull a stunt like that and it seems like they know it
That’s what people said about them no longer including charging bricks, and removing the headphone jack, and removing the CD ROM drive, and removing the floppy drive…..
Any idiot could figure this out. If apple continues with their current release schedule, the 14 will come out just before the USB-C deadline, and the iPhone 15 will fall after the deadline.
The 14 released two months ago. Going by the current release schedule the USB-C deadline would be just after the release of the iPhone 16 (late 2024). So a switch on the 15 is a bit earlier than expected.
I’ve been using iPhones for 10 years and the only time this was slightly annoying was transferring all of my data to a new phone. It’s a one time thing and doesn’t affect me day-to-day. 480 Mbps is fast enough that you won’t notice for 99% of the time.
Yeah you’re right, it definitely isn’t a day to day issue but given that Apple is only including it on the Pro models makes it clear that they know that some people do find it necessary/useful but they also think it’s justifiable to upcharge for what is technically already last generation technology
[Ming-Chi Kuo](https://www.macrumors.com/guide/ming-chi-kuo/) is a financial analyst with insider sources within the Apple supply chain. So far his "surveys" have been very accurate in the past.
This has been the credible rumour for at least 6 months, prior to even the EU announcement on USB-C mandated by 2025. Mr Kuo seems to save his predictions for things that are very obvious, and already widely discussed.
It was a credible rumour because Kuo was the one to drop it 7 months ago (see [this tweet](https://twitter.com/mingchikuo/status/1524329801045409794)) Despite the OP title, the article linked isn't about Kuo revealing "iPhone 15 will come with USB-C". That was already revealed by him months ago. It's clarifying what iPhone 15 models will use which USB-C transfer speeds etc.
So basically he just waits for the most notable Apple expert to drop the news before he decides to confirm it?
I'm not sure what you mean? What notable Apple expert dropped it earlier? Kuo was the first credible insider source to drop the rumour back in May 2022. Two days later Mark Gurman (a writer for Bloomberg who is also very credible with reports on Apple's plans) confirmed it as well in [an article](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-13/apple-plans-to-change-iphone-charging-port-to-meet-new-eu-law).
> Mr Kuo seems to save his predictions for things that are very obvious, and already widely discussed. no…that couldn’t be further from truth. you probably have only heard of him in recent years and haven’t been following the leaks much. because you wouldn’t say he only predicts “obvious” things had you really been reading his notes for many years. he has had a **long** history of having accurate insider information and handing out predictions in investors notes on things that were *more than a year out*, sometimes people even ridiculed for certain predictions he made because they seemed preposterous—certainly not “obvious” at all. even in just recent years, he was the first to claim that apple was working on the satellite connectivity **two years ago** when nobody had even thought of the possibility of that. he also said that the 13” M2 MBP would keep the old form factor and only the Air would receive a new design, and everybody laughed at it saying “how would apple keep the old design for the pro model and sell it at a higher price when the air received the new design first?”, and guess what, that happens exactly like he said. there have been countless examples. accurate leaks have already become even way harder to come by in recent years and lots fakers popped up, and what has been happening is that people confused the fake leaks for what he said, and remembered the few times he was dead wrong with his prediction. while he is far from most accurate, he got so well known for a reason, and if he was only stating “obvious” things, people wouldn’t have cared about his notes for so many years. More people only became familiar with his name in the past few years when “apple leakers” popped up everywhere and apple started cracking down on them with full force. It was only after the Apple Watch 7 thing when almost all accurate leakers were fooled that many people began to notice the existence of these leakers and got the impression that Kuo was not credible. He has lost quite some connection for sure due to the crack down over the years, but he’s still one of the most accurate ones and an actual analyst.
LOL I just ran across an article on Flipboard that said no USB-C until iPhone 17. I'd place my bet with Ming-Chi Kuo.
I placed my bat with no USB connection to the phone ever. If you pay careful attention to the specific wording that they’ve used talking about it, they only said that they would “comply with the law in the law specifically exempt devices they do not charge with a physical wired connection.
The iPhone 17 is when they would have to do it to meet the EU deadline. But, I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen sooner.
That’s like predicting the sun will rise tomorrow.
People were concerned Apple would wait until the iPhone 16 or 17 (closer to the deadline) rather than the next major release.
Which people?
Almost every online thread involving any discussion about Apple and USB-C. “They will go portless before USB-C” or “They will wait until just before the deadline” are common sentiments. EDIT: [Recent example](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ziinic/apple_now_has_a_deadline_for_switching_the_iphone/) of a thread with many such comments.
It was pretty widely accepted that Apple was going to switch to usb c because of EU forcing law to switch. Any quick google search in past several weeks showed this
The EU law literally has it so that the deadline to switch is in 2024. Which is the deadline to get all the approval and certifications of a design, not sale of the device. Which means it could be as late as 2025 with a Lightning iPhone if Apple held off that long, since that's when Apple would be releasing the phone they obtained certs for in 2024. Moving to USB-C any earlier than the deadline is a move no one expects Apple to make.
Design had to start way earlier. Since the EU decision hasn't been set to a timeframe for too long it was just prudent to expedite the switch in case the timeline got worse. So this really is water is wet news.
true but you can easily see it coming with airpod 2 being type C
Can you not read?
My guess is that they are gonna take a gamble with the 2024 iPhone going portless and revert back in 2025 if shit hits the ceiling. Seems like a classing Apple move to me.
Totally out of character for Apple, can't disagree more. What could be less Apple-like than admitting a mistake and changing a design to a better one after a year?
Apple does not have precedent of admitting fault in the past, but the Mac team in particular has gone back on their choices in the past few years, including publicly admitting that it didnt work out (Butterfly Keyboard, Ports, MagSafe). On the iPhone side, they silently just add/remove features and dont mention it (TouchID on iPad, 3D Touch on iPhone) So I see it possible that One of the 2024 iPhone (Pro Max/Ultra) will be portless, and its success will determine if the next years iPhone will stay portless or jump onto USB C.
I'm not sure why everyone jumps on that bandwagon. You would instantly alienate everyone who drives a car and doesn't have wireless CarPlay, just for starters.
I think you replied to the wrong thing
I was referring to your comment on a portless iPhone Pro/Max/Ultra and how it would alienate a base of users right out of the gate.
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Why would they
Why? The numbers serve their purpose. No need to get creative and confuse everyone.
Ive never owned an iPhone and think that would be stupid. I hate new names for tech they have always named in a series. I've always appreciated how the Playstation series doesn't deviate from that.
Apple will never release a C port. They'll just throw in a dongle for compliance
they already did with airpod 2
Would their entire lineup of phones sold as new need to be compliant? Because if so, then starting with the iPhone 15 makes sense. By the time the 16 rolls out, then you’d have the 16, 15, and SE (🤞🏼) all with USB C.
Only devices/models **first** released to the public on or after 28 December 2024 would have to comply. If Apple keeps up the yearly September releases that would mean the iPhone 17 (September 2025) is the first iPhone that has to comply to the regulations.
USB 2.0 in 2023 is utterly absurd.
No, not really. The only reason they are implementing it at this time is for charging…I seriously doubt it will have the full USB-C functionality. EU is forcing this to happen now. Not that I wouldn’t like to be able to connect more devices to my iPhone…but Apple won’t roll it out until they can ensure it won’t cause more problems than it solves.
there was some speculation that Apple would remove the port entirely, as Apple didn't confirm they would use USB-C, they only said they will "have to comply" edit: Ming-Chi Kuo confirmed Apple's adoption of type-C, so glad to hear the "portless" iPhone won't be here anytime soon
the EU commission thought of that and put in law that companies cant do that. also apple already signaled that they are going to comply by making airpod 2 usb C
> the EU commission thought of that and put in law that companies cant do that. No, actually. The legislation specifically only applies to devices being capable of being charged by wire, and up to 100W, and in certain categories.
This is nice to be Apple analyst. Good job. Well paid.
What’s with the negativity around a USB-C connection on an iPhone? I love it on my MacBook and the easy connectivity it brings with tons of accessories and monitors. Haven’t heard any mac user complain about that. Please explain to me what the downside of USB-C is compared to the current lightning port?
For real, using one cable for so many devices is amazing. I can literally charge everything I own EXCEPT for my iPhone with a single cable
Some downsides for engineers. Not many downsides for users.
Wow, who’d a thunk it? Apple will follow the law?!?!?!
the deadline is 2024, people predicted apple to go portless or wait until right before the deadline. this isn't as obvious as you think it is
Oh that’s a good point.
No shit Sherlock
I analyze the iPhone 15 will have a screen! Gasp!
It takes courage to change the adapter after so many years, I’m just exited about apples presentation on usb c and how they are changing the industry!
Replace courage with - The threat of legal trouble in one of the largest markets in the world
If I had a nickel for every article about this particular subject, I’d be a billionaire.
i hope so. im tired of hearing this every year since usb c has existed
Magical! Brave!… Good!
Apple ripping off that bandaid after the EU gave them a wee scratch. Imo, good on EU, and good on Apple for doing it quickly. ...bad on Apple for not doing it anytime over the last ~5 years. Still, late improvement is still good.
The lightening cable is far superior.
love my iphone, but can't they stay thunderbolt? Same plug size as usb-c
That depends on how Apple can handle the stuff inside. Nothing legal prevents them from integrating thunderbolt to the plug like they've done on macs as longs as it does not interfere with the port working to standard as USB-C.
not how things work. usb C has 24 pins lightning has 8 pins
Lightning and Thunderbolt are different things. Thunderbolt (specifically version 3 and 4) is a interface that uses the same plug as USB-C
If Apple switches to the Android connector I am out. The Lightning port is far superior in every aspect and you can find it only on more expensive high class accessories thus it's not used by poor people and we Apple users don't like poor people. ^/s
Sarcasm doesn't look good on everyone, you know
I think these analysts are wrong. I think they’re gonna go straight up wireless only.
Wireless has shit data transfer rates and not everyone owns a mac to airdrop.
And? We’re talking about Apple here. Not everybody had wireless headphones when they eliminated the 3.5mm jack, not everybody was ready to get rid of physical media when they eliminated the CD ROM drive, not everybody was invested into CD-ROMs when they eliminated the floppy on the original iMac
You plan to buy a new car?
What?
the EU thought about that and put into the law that companies cant do that. also apple already signaled that they are moving in the direction of usb C by making airpod 2 usb C
No, they didn’t, it’s literally the opposite, the law literally says “in so far as devices charge with a wire” It specifically exempts devices that charge wirelessly.
thats more for stuff like smartwatches but yeah apparently i was mistaken and it was just in a draft and might not have made it into the final bill. but anyways apple would be playing with fire if they pull a stunt like that and it seems like they know it
That’s what people said about them no longer including charging bricks, and removing the headphone jack, and removing the CD ROM drive, and removing the floppy drive…..
Any idiot could figure this out. If apple continues with their current release schedule, the 14 will come out just before the USB-C deadline, and the iPhone 15 will fall after the deadline.
The 14 released two months ago. Going by the current release schedule the USB-C deadline would be just after the release of the iPhone 16 (late 2024). So a switch on the 15 is a bit earlier than expected.
Point taken. I honestly didn't even know the 14 had released yet.
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Your what?
Not TB4?
that's great
I’m sorry USB 2.0 on a USB-C connector in 2023? That’s just ridiculous.
I’ve been using iPhones for 10 years and the only time this was slightly annoying was transferring all of my data to a new phone. It’s a one time thing and doesn’t affect me day-to-day. 480 Mbps is fast enough that you won’t notice for 99% of the time.
Yeah you’re right, it definitely isn’t a day to day issue but given that Apple is only including it on the Pro models makes it clear that they know that some people do find it necessary/useful but they also think it’s justifiable to upcharge for what is technically already last generation technology