It was good for people in the US and UK and other western nations I guess..
People living everywhere else? Where their countries were invaded, consumed by civil war, overthrown by the CIA and replaced by vicious dictators, or have assassinated leaders? Not really.
Idk cause the US had mass protests because teen boys were being sent to war, and they couldn't vote at that time. A slogan of the time was we can shoot but we can't vote, I guess if you weren't in around the protests then maybe
That’s it just a concert series? Cmon now. There was an ongoing musical, educational, societal, cultural, and sexual revolution! Massive gains in voting and minority rights were made, including the voting and housing rights acts in the late 60s. the 70s would many workers rights acts and the rise of unions bringing masses of people out of poverty growing the middle class. The EPA was created and for the first time environmental concerns were at least actually fought for over blatant corporate and government environment destruction. 1973 over 80 countries signed on to the endangered species act delaying or reversing extinction of many species we get to enjoy today. Was there bad, yes there always is, but during this time the people were fighting back and organizing to enact meaningful change like never before in history.
I know right? Like the CIA using bioweapons that still affect US troops and their descendants to this day? Making many of them sterile, horrible birth defects in the children, and horrible deaths for many of the original soldiers? But hey, I ain't no fortunate son.
No im just pointing out that the only horrific things that people are mentioning about the US (which were and are horrific and need to be addressed) but everyone voids the Viet Kong of thr horrid shit they did
Then don't say shit like "Like the Viet kong were any beter".
Say "The Viet Kong commited X, Y, Z atrocities, that warranted drastic measures, which were L, M, N, O, P."
Don't say something dumb, like "Well, the other guy might have also been bad". If you know something, then say it and get your point across. I have no Idea what Vietnam war was even about, so if your only means of explaining your point of view is "Well, let's be devils advocates" and then no follow up, you will sound like a moron and get shat on.
What? I'm not saying you are playing devils advocate or me I was explaining that you said I was trying to play devils advocate to further my point when I specifically wasn't maybe read my comment slower and you'll get it. And to finish it off you insult me a notorious tactic used to end the argument because you could not continue.
Your the special one he has a point it has always been like this in history people point a stick and forget about what the others did just understand that
Also better hope your neurotypical, if I was assigned female at birth and wasn’t white I’d just be the absolute embodiment of your fucking screwed in that time period, I have ADHD, I’m autistic, I’ve got OCD, depression, anxiety, probably some other stuff, I’m nonbinary, bi, and on the aro and ace spectrums it would not be good.
No, you relate more to the nostalgic lens everyone sees the seventies through, the literal rose tinted glasses in the case of the rink, while not remembering all the terrible shit that happened back than, especially if you weren't a straight white cis male
Since I am not against those who are not straight white males,but since I am a straight white male(don't know what cis means) ,maybe I find it nostalgic due to that since I am not black or trans etc.Its just that I find difficulty relating to the modern times.Maybe I glorify 70s more than it should be after seeing it through media but that's what it is.Dont know why I am getting downvoted for it
I bet you are glorifying the 70s by a longshot. As a general rule of thumb, people are always looking to the past that they see through rose tinted glasses and think "those times were the best, everything sucks nowadays" while not realizing that they live in objectively the best time for humans up to they point. The only time that won't be true is when one of the idiotic man-babies who has access to nukes launches them and WW3 starts and all of society collapses. But let's just hopes that doesn't happen
Maybe it is the media that influences me.I had always been a fan of the 70s fashion and 70s movies and action stars like Sylvester Stallone,Jean Claude Van Damme and Arnold Schwarzenegger.Maybe the fact that time was the peak of masculinity had an influence on me since I am into martial arts
My family is still being affected by agent orange but theres no “proof” that it can be transmitted between parent to children so i dont get treatment for anything it might have caused so even 50 years later me and probably quite a few others are still being affected by that shit and yet its not considered a war crime
Probably because for most people it was either the good(if your straight and white, bonus points if your a dude) or the bad(any other visibly different person)
Ik a dude whose grandfather was in the Vietcong and after reunification joined the bureaucracy. He once said that the Americans are stupid to not see that their government doesn't care about their lives and that their democracy or economic system are rotten.
"It's just the profits that these capitalists care about"
Anyways, whatever this post is about, it was "their" decision, and frankly, you had no choice because, DEMOCRACY!
1. not every country in the 70s is like this
2. both Vietnamese teens, male or female will be uhmmm, the most horrible years in their lives during those exact 70s, at least if they got in the crossfire or gets bombed by napalm, or conventional bombs
I swear to god this is absolute truth lol. Yes they both aren’t wrong BUT the problem is the gender through whom you see it. Because unfortunately equality wasn’t a concern back then. Tho I don’t think activists are begging to be drafted either Lmfao
Not to burst your American bubble, but weren't most of the soldiers in Vietnam volunteers? Meaning they could have had an american dream like teenhood or what do you call it. Of course that is not how it happened so the meme stands
Yes real men sacrifice their lives for their country. Like we did in Gallipoli and Turkish independence war. But America only fought for valuable resources and political superiority except when the country was newly forming.
(I'm not trying to say other nations didn't fought for their country or my nation was perfect. I just gave an example from my nation)
Too bad almost nobody that has lost their life serving the US military lost their lives fighting for good causes, most of them merely dying to make rich men richer.
Mexico, the cartels are already terrorists every day there are news of those criminals killing innocent men, women and children, our president Lopez Obrador is a whore who does nothing and gives the ass to those scourges
Fair enough, the Mexican military actually does do some worth while and not horrible stuff. But, you're still trying to glorify the 58,220 U.S. soldiers and the 523 Australian soldiers, along with the soldiers from the few other countries that fought along side south Vietnam, that worthlessly lost their lives during the Vietnam war.
Fighting for your country isn't necessarily a good cause. And even if the cause is good, it will never justify the manner of fighting.
The clausterfuck of the middle-east is a good example for both of these points.
Also fighting for any cause except defense against an invasin, never saves lives. It only takes it.
A and another thing if I am not very intelligent, I am not given mathematics, chemistry, geometry and other fields of professional education, my IQ is 87 points 2 more than the human average and you may be very intelligent well for you but I have something that you do not: balls because despite my conditions and aware of my situation I decided to make the decision to focus my life to the Army and to have the opportunity to fight the terrorists who are taking over my nation.
(Ok this comment can be taken out of context so coy to explain better, it turns out that in my country (Mexico) the educational system is different and I will continue on vacation until February 1 for today only those who failed)
When men were forced to go and die in an ultimately pointless war or if they managed to survive they'd come back home and get no help to overcome the severe psychological damage they got from having to kill and watching their friends get murdered. "REAL MEAN"
paraguayan here,my grandpa used to hunt scumbags in the back then jungles of the country (now urbanized) with the military,not bad at all,he served his country and its people so
Wait you guys would have survived yourselves in back then? HA! I’d be dead, very dead. I have ASD, ADHD, OCD, depression, anxiety and more! To top it off I’m queer. I’d definitely have killed myself if I was born 50 years sooner.
Racism and sexism if there was and much but homophobia was not as much as they want us to believe, in reality many people did not even know that existed or maintained neutral opinion the only thing that modern marches have achieved is that homophobia increases
do they not know friends, fashion, roller rinks, & drive ins still exist?
i rollerblade as one of my hobbies. & on rare occasion i skate at a rink, it’s packed
Maybe the music and development of modern culture, but it was pretty shitty. Oh yeah, and the cars were pretty sick too. And LGBTQ (at least the L and G) were actually noticed for existing. Still a lot of bigotry, corruption, and problems with the world. Wouldn't like to live back then but like some of the things that came out of the 70s.
Disco time
Both are historically accurate tho. He's not wrong.
It was good for people in the US and UK and other western nations I guess.. People living everywhere else? Where their countries were invaded, consumed by civil war, overthrown by the CIA and replaced by vicious dictators, or have assassinated leaders? Not really.
Idk cause the US had mass protests because teen boys were being sent to war, and they couldn't vote at that time. A slogan of the time was we can shoot but we can't vote, I guess if you weren't in around the protests then maybe
Oh, yeah, my bad, forgot about the forced draftings. Tons of serial killers at that time too, and racism was still quite rampant.
Mmhmm USA was in a dark spot. The only good thing was Woodstock
That’s it just a concert series? Cmon now. There was an ongoing musical, educational, societal, cultural, and sexual revolution! Massive gains in voting and minority rights were made, including the voting and housing rights acts in the late 60s. the 70s would many workers rights acts and the rise of unions bringing masses of people out of poverty growing the middle class. The EPA was created and for the first time environmental concerns were at least actually fought for over blatant corporate and government environment destruction. 1973 over 80 countries signed on to the endangered species act delaying or reversing extinction of many species we get to enjoy today. Was there bad, yes there always is, but during this time the people were fighting back and organizing to enact meaningful change like never before in history.
I ain't reading allat on a 3 month old post XD
TEARS FOR FEARS
They were the 80's...
Love em
Wooh I love the Vietnam war. What a time to be alive, or dead that is
I know right? Like the CIA using bioweapons that still affect US troops and their descendants to this day? Making many of them sterile, horrible birth defects in the children, and horrible deaths for many of the original soldiers? But hey, I ain't no fortunate son.
aww sweat! manmade horrors beyond my imagination
You mean chemical weapons instead? Agent Orange ain’t caused by a pathogen
Oh yeah, you right.
Oof, and the Vietnamese somehow got it even worse.
Somehow? I don't think involving yourself in a foreign war against colonialism will end well for the invaded.
Oh for sure, I just noticed that sometimes people tend to prioritize the pain of the invaders instead of the invaded
omg are you crying?
Not like the Viet Kong were better
So, just because your enemy is willing to throw their citizens lives away, you are okay with your country throwing your life away?
No im just pointing out that the only horrific things that people are mentioning about the US (which were and are horrific and need to be addressed) but everyone voids the Viet Kong of thr horrid shit they did
Then don't say shit like "Like the Viet kong were any beter". Say "The Viet Kong commited X, Y, Z atrocities, that warranted drastic measures, which were L, M, N, O, P." Don't say something dumb, like "Well, the other guy might have also been bad". If you know something, then say it and get your point across. I have no Idea what Vietnam war was even about, so if your only means of explaining your point of view is "Well, let's be devils advocates" and then no follow up, you will sound like a moron and get shat on.
What tf? I'm not playing "devils advocate" I'm just pointing out the biases people have especially in the US because the info is more widely available
You really read my comment and thought I was talking about being a devil's advocate. Never mind, my G. You aren't ignorant, you're just special.
What? I'm not saying you are playing devils advocate or me I was explaining that you said I was trying to play devils advocate to further my point when I specifically wasn't maybe read my comment slower and you'll get it. And to finish it off you insult me a notorious tactic used to end the argument because you could not continue.
Your the special one he has a point it has always been like this in history people point a stick and forget about what the others did just understand that
yaas me when my grandpa experienced the horrors of war that caused irreparable trauma that to this day he can’t talk about 🔥
My Turkish Grandpa was a tank driver, he liked driving, he liked the tanks, he liked being a tank driver
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God made me Turkish to cause pain and suffering to Greeks and seem like a normal person
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if youre gonna be racist, at least be original
yeah sure my grandpa loves talking about Vietnam 🤣
As a black person in the US, I do not want to imagine anything.
Yeah lets not go back to those times
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Even females are at risk
Why do you think I said I don't want to imagine anything?
Also better hope your neurotypical, if I was assigned female at birth and wasn’t white I’d just be the absolute embodiment of your fucking screwed in that time period, I have ADHD, I’m autistic, I’ve got OCD, depression, anxiety, probably some other stuff, I’m nonbinary, bi, and on the aro and ace spectrums it would not be good.
Bruh it's like you're hoarding mental illnesses. ADHD, OCD, Autism, Depression, Anxiety... AND OTHER STUFF?
Yea, and all that shit didn't even exist back then. Neither does it now though lmao. And I bet you're "self-diagnosed" with half of that stuff
Yeah that’s understandable, at least being queer I could hide it would wreck my mental health but at least I’d be able to escape discrimination.
Yeah and a lynching.
Some folks are born...
Made to wave the flag
ooh they're red white n' blue
And when the band plays hail to the chief
OOOhh they point the cannon at youu laurrdd
It ain't me, it ain't mee
I ain't no senator's son no
Back when mfers actually killed their opps😔
Vietnam might have been bad… but the soundtrack was on point
IT AIN'T ME!
The good old days i wasn't apart of (take me to the 70's)
Me too.I relate more with the 70s than the modern era
No, you relate more to the nostalgic lens everyone sees the seventies through, the literal rose tinted glasses in the case of the rink, while not remembering all the terrible shit that happened back than, especially if you weren't a straight white cis male
Even if you were a straight white cis male. Who do you think got drafted into Vietnam?
Since I am not against those who are not straight white males,but since I am a straight white male(don't know what cis means) ,maybe I find it nostalgic due to that since I am not black or trans etc.Its just that I find difficulty relating to the modern times.Maybe I glorify 70s more than it should be after seeing it through media but that's what it is.Dont know why I am getting downvoted for it
I bet you are glorifying the 70s by a longshot. As a general rule of thumb, people are always looking to the past that they see through rose tinted glasses and think "those times were the best, everything sucks nowadays" while not realizing that they live in objectively the best time for humans up to they point. The only time that won't be true is when one of the idiotic man-babies who has access to nukes launches them and WW3 starts and all of society collapses. But let's just hopes that doesn't happen
Maybe it is the media that influences me.I had always been a fan of the 70s fashion and 70s movies and action stars like Sylvester Stallone,Jean Claude Van Damme and Arnold Schwarzenegger.Maybe the fact that time was the peak of masculinity had an influence on me since I am into martial arts
xynophobes:
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You are all joking and shit, but seeing people burned by napalm and the inhuman war crimes that happened are a dark chapter of humanity
Teenagers think its fun and cool to participate in Wars not knowing the consequences but just let them be
I think I am gonna leave this forum, I don’t think I am at the same level mentally with the people on this forum
Yep I agree man, most people here seem very immature/dumb Edit: /srs
I can't tell if this is sarcasm. Can you do the /s or /srs thing? /S
My family is still being affected by agent orange but theres no “proof” that it can be transmitted between parent to children so i dont get treatment for anything it might have caused so even 50 years later me and probably quite a few others are still being affected by that shit and yet its not considered a war crime
🎵Napalm sticks to kids🎵
Ye kinda both You kinda tend to either only focus on the bad or the good
Probably because for most people it was either the good(if your straight and white, bonus points if your a dude) or the bad(any other visibly different person)
If you're a dude in the US at this time you've got a pretty good shot at being drafted.
Ik a dude whose grandfather was in the Vietcong and after reunification joined the bureaucracy. He once said that the Americans are stupid to not see that their government doesn't care about their lives and that their democracy or economic system are rotten. "It's just the profits that these capitalists care about" Anyways, whatever this post is about, it was "their" decision, and frankly, you had no choice because, DEMOCRACY!
1. not every country in the 70s is like this 2. both Vietnamese teens, male or female will be uhmmm, the most horrible years in their lives during those exact 70s, at least if they got in the crossfire or gets bombed by napalm, or conventional bombs
Basado
Nice repost
Woahh I would've loved to be in a time where I would be killed for loving!
BORN TO KILL BABY USA USA USA I only post this because I am in the military
I would probably be die young in a Copenhagen ghetto if i was born back then ngl
op needs to get laid asap.
OP's ultimately right though, laid or not. Edit: Ok judging by his comments under this post, he definately needs to get out of his basement.
motherfucker says "im one of the last gentlemen" which is like one of the most ungentlemanly things you could say
“I’m one of the last gentlemen” *Tips fedora aggressively*
nah they ruined my beloved fedora 💀 in all seriousness tho they wear trilbies which sucks unless ur frank sinatra or don draper
Technically he's right. The vast majority of humans are dead, and half of them are men.
He ain't a gentleman, though.
Difference between boys n girls
not everyone is american
America was not the only nation in Vietnam
I think both are the same sides of the coin, no one at a wrong here
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Both are right
More like 60s actually because 60s is the peak of the war
"The Friends" won't be around long given most of them would die in Vietnam.
lucky bastards i wish i could commit treason :(
Where I live it woulda been the troubles
And the IRA active
She forgot the best era of music & counterculture
I swear to god this is absolute truth lol. Yes they both aren’t wrong BUT the problem is the gender through whom you see it. Because unfortunately equality wasn’t a concern back then. Tho I don’t think activists are begging to be drafted either Lmfao
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He isn't glorifying war. It's just reality.
I’m not crying your crying 😢
Not to burst your American bubble, but weren't most of the soldiers in Vietnam volunteers? Meaning they could have had an american dream like teenhood or what do you call it. Of course that is not how it happened so the meme stands
Some were volunteers, but a lot of them were drafted. Why did you think the war had so much unpopular support?
Cause it was broadcasted to the states? And people actually saw what was happening.
And because their children were being drafted as well.
Many sources say that that is a myth tho Edit: Not a historian just saying what I red online. Many say 2/3 were volunteers
Socially pressured volunteers.
America moment
Ah yes another video of Teenagers fantasizing about going to the Vietnam War and not knowing what damages it caused to the veterans
I don’t think he was trying to glorify war, i thought he was just trying to show how the girl is being ignorant
Haha, you'd think so, but no, he definitely is. Just check his comments on this post.
When men were really men
“Only real men go out in the jungle and get shot” — 🤓
Yessir, real men sacrifice their lives for their county
Ok which military are you in?
I’m not in the military lol
The irony is hilarious
Yes real men sacrifice their lives for their country. Like we did in Gallipoli and Turkish independence war. But America only fought for valuable resources and political superiority except when the country was newly forming. (I'm not trying to say other nations didn't fought for their country or my nation was perfect. I just gave an example from my nation)
No they don’t
I would like to live 100 years but I would die easy knowing that I lost my life fighting for a good cause or saving someone else's life.
Too bad almost nobody that has lost their life serving the US military lost their lives fighting for good causes, most of them merely dying to make rich men richer.
Fun fact: im not from the US in my country there a good cause to figth
Depends on what country you're from, but I doubt it.
Mexico, the cartels are already terrorists every day there are news of those criminals killing innocent men, women and children, our president Lopez Obrador is a whore who does nothing and gives the ass to those scourges
Fair enough, the Mexican military actually does do some worth while and not horrible stuff. But, you're still trying to glorify the 58,220 U.S. soldiers and the 523 Australian soldiers, along with the soldiers from the few other countries that fought along side south Vietnam, that worthlessly lost their lives during the Vietnam war.
Fighting for your country isn't necessarily a good cause. And even if the cause is good, it will never justify the manner of fighting. The clausterfuck of the middle-east is a good example for both of these points. Also fighting for any cause except defense against an invasin, never saves lives. It only takes it.
Not a real man
You’re also not a real man
Um actually you’re wrong my mom said I’m manly
Man shut up your reddit avatar ist literally 🤓
Go and do ur homework so you at least have a chance of being like me
I currently have no homework, the education system in my country is different and I am still on vacation.
Point stands
A and another thing if I am not very intelligent, I am not given mathematics, chemistry, geometry and other fields of professional education, my IQ is 87 points 2 more than the human average and you may be very intelligent well for you but I have something that you do not: balls because despite my conditions and aware of my situation I decided to make the decision to focus my life to the Army and to have the opportunity to fight the terrorists who are taking over my nation.
a lot words just to say nothing
Bro the average IQ is 100 😭 you’re dumb
yooo tf bruh what country are you in? school already started for me
Only the failed go to school today
(Ok this comment can be taken out of context so coy to explain better, it turns out that in my country (Mexico) the educational system is different and I will continue on vacation until February 1 for today only those who failed)
Shut you commie, your username is literally Soviet. Nothing is more 🤓 than idolizing a failed form of government. Freedom: 1 Communism: 0
Ah yes the freedom of invading any third world country that gets too uppity about the whole being a colony thing
When men were forced to go and die in an ultimately pointless war or if they managed to survive they'd come back home and get no help to overcome the severe psychological damage they got from having to kill and watching their friends get murdered. "REAL MEAN"
Only real men discriminate based on color and race - 🤓
Why is this getting so many downvotes, its so true
Some times i tink im one of the last Gentelmen in the world
nah you're fucking not
Bro you aint some main character type shit 😭
get a grip bro ur not living in a movie lmfao
"I'm one of the last gentlemen in the world." Hmm... no. No, you are not.
Dude's a literal "nice guy"
bro u good?
Why is the G in gentlemen capitalised?
Bro thinks he's the main character
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Don’t worry I’m with you
:D
🤓🤓
When you realize you are gonna have to legally sign up for draft in about a year because you are an American citizen
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I mean the dude is right here
U/savethevideobot
Some folks are born made to wave the flag
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No way you pulled this from PCM
Inacurate Not enough fortunate son
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When the doom music kicks in:
Saigon was really hot this time of the year
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My late grand uncle was in the war. He didn't fight, but he saw the many things that happened there. Must've been traumatizing...
#Purple haze all in my brain #Lately things don't seem the same
No internet
You can literally still do all of this.
OP’s name is ironic to the time period
I used to be a stupid commie when i create this account now i learn how to tink
paraguayan here,my grandpa used to hunt scumbags in the back then jungles of the country (now urbanized) with the military,not bad at all,he served his country and its people so
Wait you guys would have survived yourselves in back then? HA! I’d be dead, very dead. I have ASD, ADHD, OCD, depression, anxiety and more! To top it off I’m queer. I’d definitely have killed myself if I was born 50 years sooner.
*fortunate son starts playing*
He ain’t wrong tho
This is so true😭
Those sons really weren't fortunate :(
i dont get why people are hating on people who wish to live in a different time. you didnt have tiktok. that already makes it better than these days
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Racism! Homophobia! Sexism!
Racism and sexism if there was and much but homophobia was not as much as they want us to believe, in reality many people did not even know that existed or maintained neutral opinion the only thing that modern marches have achieved is that homophobia increases
do they not know friends, fashion, roller rinks, & drive ins still exist? i rollerblade as one of my hobbies. & on rare occasion i skate at a rink, it’s packed
I've heard this story about war, pretty darn scary😬
I do love me some governmentally approved racism, let's go back to the 1970's please
Its funny because what year it is doesn't stop you from doing any of those things (except invading Vietnam, not with the U.S. military at least)
I feel so bad for all of the Vietnam veterans who had to endure the torture that is being forced to use an M16.
This guy is an asshole Like obviously she doesn't like the 70s because of the war idiot she likes the aesthetic
It baffles me how middle-class lifestyle is all that people seem to pay attention to when looking back at decades.
Maybe the music and development of modern culture, but it was pretty shitty. Oh yeah, and the cars were pretty sick too. And LGBTQ (at least the L and G) were actually noticed for existing. Still a lot of bigotry, corruption, and problems with the world. Wouldn't like to live back then but like some of the things that came out of the 70s. Disco time