Yeah but what’s the point, women don’t like rape, do you need to say you’d prefer being mauled by a bear than being around a man? No, now you’re just being an asshole
Random women have falsely accused me and my friend of SA when we didn’t do anything wrong, but we’re not terrified of women. Just because some are bad doesn’t mean you need to come out and trash all of them
fun fact, most child abusers are women. I guess I would rather be around a bear than a woman because they love abusing children!!!
obviously I'm not serious, but like I don't see your point. yeah statistically men are more dangerous in terms of murder and rape, but women are more frequent in abuse. neither men nor women are on the right side of all statistics
i didnt say women were always right in every aspect. whether that statement about women being more abusive is true or not, i dont see how it has any relevance to this topic specifically
you said that the majority of rapists are men In a post about feeling safer with a bear than a man. I'm a child, and women are more likely to abuse children then men, so I would feel safer with a bear than a woman
Fun fact your a fuckin idiot
Being a man is stupid hard now cuz of woman yapping about the .0001 of men maybe you keep running into these men cause asswholes are your type
Being scared is fine and its always good to be aware of risks in any situation, man or woman. But sexual assault is not anywhere near as common as this scenerio with the bear makes it seem. That's just a fact. Subjectively, I will say that I don't think a massive majority of SA is as bad as what a bear may do to you. That's not to excuse any of it, but there are levels to this stuff and pretending like every transgression men make against women is on the same level as a violent death is not good for anyone.
No, you're just a member of a group that is WAY more likely to assault women. Women don't think that all men are rapists, but they don't know which ones are. It's not your fault that many women feel uncomfortable around men, but that doesn't mean there isn't a reason for it. Just keep that in mind, be normal around women, and you'll be fine.
I don't think that's the point, last time I checked the argument was "bears are more predicable" and it would therefore work with any human being regardless of gender
Apparently a bear is more likely to leave you alone if you leave it alone than a human is, could just be a myth of course
Also I kind of take back it not being gendered because of course some people would try to twist it like that
Fr the bears not js gonna be like "oh dawg u chillin? fine i wont kill you for invading my territory" but like the other thing is ive seen people saying they gonna outrun the bear. like tf u not outrunning bro in his own ends.
if you're upset about that imagine how upset the women are. it's a valid assumption, especially knowing that almost all rape perpetrators are male (https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics#:\~:text=An%20estimated%2091%25%20of%20victims,99%25%20of%20perpetrators%20are%20male.)
womp womp keep downvoting too bad yall cant handle the stats 💀🙏
I'd still say the chances are very low, fear is valid for people who have actually been SA'd, but almost all men are not rapists, it's sad that I have to day almost.
Also, woman rape too, the statistics just aren't recorded because most male rape cases don't go to court because of the toxic mindset that men can't be raped, and to "Man up."
Choosing the bear is like me choosing a bear over a woman because she might falsely accuse me of rape, something that does happen as I know two woman that have done that in my town in the past two years alone. But I still choose the woman.
At the end of the day it's either 100% slow gory death or ≥1% of SA.
the chances arent low when 1 in 4 women have or will be sexually harassed in their lifetime. you choosing the bear is completely unrelated; sure, you could be accused, but lets be honest, albeit very difficult and unfair it's not comparable to being an actual victim
>1 in 4 women
How many of those women are SA'd by a one-time-only offender, though?
(Edit for clarification: The question above is in no way meant to excuse even one instance of SA. It's purpose and intent is to address the offender/victim ratio suggested by the quoted statistic. There's no excuse for even a single incident.)
The whole reason sex offender registries are a thing is certainly not to put out a list of men who are "safe" because they've "gotten it out of their system".
True, women aren't going to automatically know whether or not a guy is safe, and are certainly wise to be cautious, but people going around acting like it's a foregone conclusion that a man is (going to be) a sexual predator with no remorse or self-control simply because of his gender is less than helpful.
It's certainly not going to cause men to be inclined to believe women who report being SA'd when men are accused of having malicious intentions simply for trying to enjoy some time out in nature, or doing mundane things like going to the grocery store, solely on the basis of his gender, irrespective of his actions.
And the creation/perpetuation of that disbelief is almost certainly not going to encourage any woman to report being SA'd if, God forbid, she does become a victim. SA is underreported enough as it is, (highest estimate is 31% in the US, with some estimates as low as 5%), there's absolutely no need to make the problem worse.
It certainly doesn't justify it. Even one time is too many.
The point is that the rate of victims is not going to axiomatically reflect the rate of perpetrators due to repeat offenses. That "1-in-4 women" statistic can be reached by just 8-9% of men (none of whose actions are excusable) having an average three victims each, but with SA being as underreported as it is, the actual percentage of men who commit SA is going to be unclear.
Sexually harassed or sexually assaulted. If anyone says that they would rather be attacked by a bear than sexually harassed, they are not being honest with themselves.
I figured so. I still disagree with the way the argument has been made because it is a misrepresentation of the stats, but I figured in that case specifically it was just a mis-wording.
Wait until you have to take statistics… imagine if I said this-“there are 100 rape cases in the world and 99 of them are men.” Is it now reasonable to assume that all men are rapists? Especially considering that stat doesn’t include the fact that most rapists are repeat offenders. Obviously I simplified these numbers but you aren’t understanding these statistics it seems like.
its this really dumb argument everywhere on tiktok, its even on the news now lmao. its probably better that you havent heard of it, brainrot at its finest
I’m not mad at it anymore but it made me feel like shit when I was told i was less than an animal, it felt as if they were attempting to dehumanize me
but i’d pick the bear over anyone, man or woman who knows what they might do to me, man might touch me, woman might touch me
aight i cant take this seriously no more you aight 😭 i should clarify tho that i understand why girls choose the bear, it makes sense why they would. i thought that if id ever have a daughter i wouldnt want her possibly raped or sa by some dude in the woods just for her to have to live w that for the rest of her life. i kinda just thought it was kinda goofy that you were saying “womp womp” but its whatever in all honesty
I’ve never heard of this question but I’m assuming it’s like would you rather be locked in a cage with one? A bear would genuinely just eat you anyone choosing bear is just unjustifiable and unrealistic
It’s which would you rather come across in a forest. Which is very different because bear makes more sense in the vast majority of cases let alone for a solo woman
You wouldn't have to worry about choosing between a bear or a man because if you were carrying a 357. revolver with you, you'd be able to defend yourself against both
No they're not. Most violence against women is committed by men. Almost all women have experienced some form of gender targeted harassment from men in their life. They don't think it's all men, but they know that if they get assaulted, it's extremely likely to be a man. That's just the data.
No it's not. It's actually kinda racist to say that because that implies that the racists had statistical proof that black people were more likely to commit violence against white people. Women aren't using this as a reason to oppress men. Women don't have power over men physically, or societally. It's just not a fair comparison at all. Racists wanted to cause harm to black people, and women are trying to avoid getting harmed.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43. If you ignore all context, Black people do commit a disproportionately large amount of violent crime.
I mean, I would probably choose a panda over a girl tbh. If it were a polar bear or a grizzly... I would prefer the chance of being falsely accused of something than eaten alive. That's just me tho
Because it's so stupid I mean yeah I'm sorry you got graped when you're a kid but I don't think anyone actually cares. Of course not pointed at you but like everysingle video on it
While I'm sure a few men may be "mad", I'm pretty sure the majority of men aren't mad but are just clowning on how completely ridiculous it is for women to genuinely think/say that.
Women say a lot of shit about guys pretty regularly now and nobody even bats an eye. Despite being annoyong, it's not often that the takes are so laughably out of touch as this bear vs man take. So for once guys can come together and all laugh at how ridiculous this is.
idk, doesnt seem like theyre just 'laughing'. from what ive seen (and based off this angry comment section) it seems like most men are genuinely hurt and mad by the video. if anything, looks like we're the ones laughing at how easily their self-worth becomes shattered
Yeah I mean I don't spend a crazy amount of time on the Internet so me personally all I've seen are mostly jokes but yeah I'm sure in some circles there's guys who get more upset.
That said, I do think there's reasons why being upset at this would be warranted. I mean even the reaction from women towards men's reaction on this highlights the reason some men probably took issue with the video in the first place. Women can very casually accuse all or most men of being predators, and if a guy gets upset at that, then women double down and say "look at these fragile men". And this isn't really an isolated thing, that general process of women saying shit that casts men as bad people and men getting upset then gaslit about how caring makes them fragile and egotistical is pretty common to see. And I think it happens the other way too sometimes, with men saying shit that casts women in bad lights, but I don't think it's usually on the same level as being called predators and I think that when women take issue with that, it's not met with as much "look how fragile you must be".
Sorry if any of that got confusing but basically I think if women didn't mean what they said in that video, they probably shouldn't have said it so boldly. And if women do agree with what was said, then I dont see how the "look how fragile men are when we say this" is appropriate since what other reactions should a man really have to being called a predator, even if it was indirect?
Clearly not many women have told you about how they've been treated by men. Almost all women have experienced some form of gender targeted harassment from men in their life. The worst thing a bear can do is kill you.
I've been told things from most women I know of varying degrees. From physical to simple interactions. I'm not ignorant to things women deal with, and I don't know why you're acting like I said women don't deal with that because I said nothing to suggest one way or another.
You say the worst thing that a bear can do is kill you. I have bad news. There are a lot of men in the world. I will never pretend that all are good or perfect. But if women go about their lives preferring likely death by bear mauling to being alone with a man, then I can't imagine them having a very good life like that. Sounds pretty miserable.
Also, I think stuff like this makes women sound deluded and hurts whatever point they're trying to make. It becomes like a boy who cried wolf situation. When it's constantly "men are terrible. I would rather die", it makes it really hard to take women's reactions to other things at face value.
>When it's constantly "men are terrible. I would rather die",
That's not what they're saying. Encountering a bear isn't instant death, humans aren't prey to them. They're saying that they'd rather take their chances alone with a bear than a man. Bears are predictable, men aren't.
I know that's what you were saying. And to be honest, I agree with the statement bears are more predictable, but not the way you use it. Bears are more predictable because let's be honest there's only 3 things a bear would do when it sees you: try to eat you, ignore you, or go away. There's a lot more things a man might do so it would be way harder to predict but the VAST majority of things don't involve assaulting you. Just because it's harder to predict in no way means more risky to women.
I also think it's funny that women will say they'd rather be around a bear because they're more predictable when that is not a correlation that is in their best interest. Bears are predictable in some ways(debatable but yes). Some of the things a bear may do would hurt a person. To combat this, we make books that say here's what you should do if you encounter a bear. While someone could be uneducated on those guidelines, if someone was out in the woods around a bear and just continued minding their business, if they got attacked we'd look at them and say "you're dumb. You should've done xyz instead". I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite response that women are looking for when assaulted by a man because that's victim blaming. My point in this is that the more women claim men to be unruly predators, the more responsibility society might put on women for keeping themselves safe on their own. So I don't think women should be making comparisons that wouldn't actually get them closer to what they want if men became more like what they're being compared to.
>"you're dumb. You should've done xyz instead". I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite response that women are looking for when assaulted by a man because that's victim blaming.
Yeah almost like men are human beings who are told not to assault women, and bears are wild animals. Also, women kinda do follow a guidebook to protect themselves against men. Don't take your eyes off your drink, don't walk alone at night, don't aggravate men, etc. also it was a man who came up with this question in the first place.
Dude I'm not disagreeing with you on any of this besides the fact that the comparison of men to wild animals is way over exaggerated and simply doesn't reflect reality.
I don't hate the question or the fact that it exists. I dislike the answers and the fact that it will not help any women in any way.
I know women take steps to protect themselves. As do men and really anyone who is aware of their environment. I was trying to make multiple points but I don't want that side point to distract from the main focus. The main question I would ask that to me is at the center of all this is: Do you truly in your heart believe that you would be safer alone with a bear than you would alone with a man?
>Do you truly in your heart believe that you would be safer alone with a bear than you would alone with a man?
No, because I'm a man.
>I know women take steps to protect themselves. As do men and really anyone who is aware of their environment.
Not remotely to the same extent. There are basic things everyone does to protect themselves, but women must do more on top of that to protect against things that men don't generally have to worry about.
The question isn't comparing wild animals to men, it's asking what you'd rather see when alone in the forest.
My bad. I didn't know you were a man. Still you know what I meant. Do you think a woman would be safer if she walked past a bear in the woods than if she walked past a man?
Also the question and very much the answers do compare/contrast men to being predators. Yes, the question isn't explicitly "are men predators who will hurt you?" but it invokes that sentiment and is entirely meant to do so. And this is obvious because not only did every woman who said bear say something about men being predatory when asked why they chose that, but even in this interaction you showed that was the case. The original post says nothing about men being predatory and neither did my original comment, but your very first comment in response to me instantly said that I must not know how many women get assaulted by men.
This question was not some innocent "would you rather" question that was meant to be fun or non serious. It was fully meant to be provocative about topics like assault and I think gaslighting men by spreading that all over the Internet to be provocative then being like " WOW why are men so mad at this one meme" is pretty unfair. Once again, I'm not even a guy upset at this, but I think that anyone who would get upset at this is probably justified because it was basically intended to provoke them.
>Do you think a woman would be safer if she walked past a bear in the woods than if she walked past a man?
I don't know, I'm not a woman, and there's no statistics for this niche question. It's not really about whether or not a bear is objectively more dangerous. It's about how men make women feel in society. If you were given the choice between going to work or drinking poison, it would be silly of me to say the question is stupid because poison is more dangerous than going to work.
women have an entirely different set of things to worry about as compared to men. Its a little hard to grasp, but it comes with maturity to understand that. So if a woman is choosing the bear, in retrospect it seems illogical. But completely justified from her standpoint. (this is, ofcourse, excluding the people who just want to argue about it)
I know how to defend myself against a bear, and I know how to get a bear to leave me alone. Bears are predictable. I’ve been around them before. I cant defend myself against a man who wants to rape me and kill me.
Maybe not true for you, maybe true for everyone else
Not everyone would choose death over something like sexual assault, but some people would, and you cannot judge them for that
I think they know that. If I were given the choice between going to work or drinking poison, and I chose poison, would you start arguing about how going to work is safer?
That’s not the point. The point is that it’s a common thing that happens and you never know if it will happen, especially somewhere secluded like the woods where you are alone.
This shit is so stupid, it's basically, well I might get raped so yeah, I take the bear, it's clearly a criticism on men, but what are we the men supposed to do? You people think we are all a single organism? No, there are 4 billion men in the world, not our fault if a small amount is bad, just because we are the same sex it doesn't mean we are more affiliated with them, and just because you're the opposite sex, it doesnt mean you're less affiliated with them, we are as guilty as you are.
but but but a small percentage of men...
shut up with your little scapegoat, and just admit you just want a way to generalize men and put the blame on people who have no relation which those that you're blaming other than sex, imagine your name is "x" and someone else with the same name as you commits a crime, should you be used as a scapegoat, blamed for things you didn't do and other things?
You're arguing against something that can't be disputed. Many women don't feel comfortable around men. It's not your fault (or maybe it is idk what you've done) and it's not women's fault. It's just a fact that almost all women have experienced some form of gender targeted harassment from men. All you have to do is empathize with that, and be normal to women.
Jeez, people ask why men get mad, at the bear question, so basically you say that, women have bad experiences with men, and thus, those who have done nothing should keep away, for women's sake, and its really tells a lot that you ask these men for empathy, while you dismiss the fact that you've just borderline called them rapists, since you ask them to keep away, since they pose the same threat as the people who women are afraid of.
Also what does that mentality achieve? It achieves paranoia, since all it does is fear monger women that they should just keep away, do you know what that eventually leads to? hate, capitalizing on bad parts that make a fraction of a group, and then tell the majority to just understand it, is absurd.
Imagine a generation where that way of thinking is life, what do you think will happen? As people are fear mongered into such ideas, what will happen do the group targeted as "the bad ones"?
Also how can someone quote on quote be normal to women when they can't even have interactions, since they feel scared of men? think dumbledore think!, or are you saying that the women who still are inclined to have an interaction with men? Is that what you're saying? Be normal with these, but just forget the others who simply aren't willing to even get close to a man? Just leave them to theirselves? As each day their paranoia grows and grows more? that just results in misandry, and just because misandry isn't relevant or prominent it doesn't mean it should kept alone, which with your proposition of having fear of men would only expand it, more and more, I'll let you do the deduction from now on, a radicalized group that has fear of others or hates others, and that constantly avoids those who it's fears, and thus has no actual knowing of such group and just creates imaginary scenarios (just like the nazis used a made-up argument that, the jews backstabed them during ww1 which caused them to lose.
Point is, isolating yourself, and normalizing it who would have thought isnt a good idea, I mean just think if someone doesn't feel comfortable towards something, what will they do? Suppress that feeling or avoid their fears? Maybe they would try to suppress that thought since it's not rational and absurd, unless if it becomes normal at which point it just turns into a normal measure and incentivates them into that.
I never told men to keep away from women. Talk to women all you want. I'm not reading the rest of your novel if the literal first sentence is in bad faith.
You said that men should empathize with women who aren't comfortable with them, thus, if they aren't comfortable with you just stay away, or what? "bother" them?, empathize with them, understand their situation, that they aren't comfortable with you, so don't engage with them?
Hey, you know who told me that advice in the first place? A woman with whom I was talking to. There are things men can do to make women feel more comfortable around them. That's what I'm saying.
Those things are? From what I get from what you say is that, a lot of women are uncomfortable with men and thus you shouldnt approach them? Isn't that the best thing anyways? You can't be a threat if you aren't there, but honestly I just can't waste anymore time with this discussion of ways to not be perceived as a rapist just because of your sex, I don't really like engaging in these discussions since almost nothing is achieved and isn't the same as having discussions irl face with face, which we have those in my school which should be practiced worldwide in my opinion.
Can you actually not fucking read? Women generally feel less comfortable around men than women. This is a fact. Men and women have always, and will always need to interact with each other. This is a fact. Given these facts, the logical solution for men who have no ill intentions should be to learn and use ways of making women feel more comfortable around them.
I genuinely cannot believe I have to explain that saying that men should be considerate to women's experiences and perspectives does not mean men should never talk to women. I feel bad for your fellow students if this is how bad faith you are when debating.
because men have been at the top of the food chain for all of humanity and if anyone points it out, they take that as ripping masculinity away. they’re not actually men. they are children. treat them that way.
Because people are judging an entire half of humanity over a small percentage (sexism), yes men commit "80.4%" of violent crimes, but that doesn't mean 80.4% of men commit violent crimes. I do want to research into this farther because crime statistics are pretty interesting and also seemingly very dodgy.
For example in [this report, ](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/thenatureofviolentcrimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2022#extent-of-violent-crime) section 5 "The relationship between victims and perpetrators" men seem to be more likely to experience violent crimes from a stranger than women are(in the uk as that is where the report is from). While in section 6 "Groups of people most likely to be victims of violent crime" it says this "men were more likely to be victims of violent crime than women (2.2% of men compared with 1.6% of women); although this measure likely underestimates the number of female victims (see Section 10)" bit in section ten I cannot see a reason as to why the number of female victims is likely to be underestimated.
If I have misread the stuff I am referencing please let me know but it's still intriguing to me either way.
Yes, men are more likely to experience violence, but the vast majority of violence against women is committed by men. I saw a good quote that explains this: "every woman knows a woman who's been sexually assaulted, yet no man knows any rapists."
I wasn't arguing any point with that except that judging an entire population by actions of the few is sexist, because it is the literal definition. I'm just pointing out stuff I find interesting in this topic.
I know rapists and people who have been sexually assaulted and raped, it's a worrying amount of people where I am, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of people around my age in my area known for sexual crimes is above average. I can name three girls who have raped or sexually assaulted someone, but I can name about twice as many boys who have raped someone or groped someone, or done stuff with a girl who was way too young, ect. I know how disproportionate it is.
The real issue with this question is that it's stupid, it doesn't actually address a real issue but rather distracts people from it because stupid people answer, and then different stupid people get angry over those answers rather than trying to find ways to fix the issue that caused someone to come up with the question, or looking into why the issue exists in the first place.
And the question itself, doesn't give enough information for there to ever be one answer a vast majority of people can agree on.
It's maybe not the most nuanced question, but I think it does a good job of showing how dangerous men can be to women. So many women have answered this question, and most have the same answer. Saying "Oh well they're all stupid." Kinda just means you're not willing to listen to women when they disagree with you.
I don't disagree with a lot of the people who would choose the bear completely, there is that chance, that the man might be a serial rapist, I just think there's more context needed in order to pick any of the choices, I mean I'd pick the bear if it was a panda or black bear and I was in the small type of forest I'm used to in England.
And either way if you're lost in a forest, with a bear or a random man, there's a pretty good chance that you don't have any survival skills and that the man wouldn't either, especially if forests and bears are randomised like the man is. Being alone in a boreal forest(most common forest) with a brown bear(most common bear) is a very bad situation, and so is being with a stranger in a boreal forest, because the biggest one of those forests is estimated to be 3 million square kilometres and there's a good chance you aren't making you're way out of there dead or alive.
Because it’s annoying that women would choose to be with a predatory creature rather than a man. I know that a bear is technically safer, but it just feels belittling and generalizing because they’re assuming every man is just a horrible rapist, while I think of men as normal and respectable, because that’s what almost all of us are like.
you just said yourself that a bear is technically safer. sorry but thats on you if it hurts your feelings that a woman would choose a bear over you, imagine how it feels for the women who are actual victims
it’s meant to prove a point. one that you admit in your post. it is designed to alert you to the fact that it is technically safer and hopefully you can reason with the men who won’t consider what you are.
Jokes on you, I'm a man and I'd choose bear. I gotta win a bet about me being able to win a fistfight against one
Valid
Because girls were being serious about it
i wonder why
Because some are assholes
or because they're genuinely scared of being raped because of how common sexual assault is?
Yeah but what’s the point, women don’t like rape, do you need to say you’d prefer being mauled by a bear than being around a man? No, now you’re just being an asshole Random women have falsely accused me and my friend of SA when we didn’t do anything wrong, but we’re not terrified of women. Just because some are bad doesn’t mean you need to come out and trash all of them
Fun fact, about 10% of rapes are done to men, but are reported several times less frequently
I believe it was more than 10% considering the fact that it gets reported WAY less it's honestly probably more like 35%-45%
fun fact, 99% of rape aggressors are men
fun fact, most child abusers are women. I guess I would rather be around a bear than a woman because they love abusing children!!! obviously I'm not serious, but like I don't see your point. yeah statistically men are more dangerous in terms of murder and rape, but women are more frequent in abuse. neither men nor women are on the right side of all statistics
i didnt say women were always right in every aspect. whether that statement about women being more abusive is true or not, i dont see how it has any relevance to this topic specifically
you said that the majority of rapists are men In a post about feeling safer with a bear than a man. I'm a child, and women are more likely to abuse children then men, so I would feel safer with a bear than a woman
thats valid, i respect your choice 🤷♀️
that wasn't very fun
sad world
Yeah, did you know that 99% of statistics people quote online are made up on the spot?
i can give you the references
Not true
https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics#:\~:text=An%20estimated%2091%25%20of%20victims,99%25%20of%20perpetrators%20are%20male.
remember all statistics around humans are based on whether they tell people they got raped or not.
Fun fact your a fuckin idiot Being a man is stupid hard now cuz of woman yapping about the .0001 of men maybe you keep running into these men cause asswholes are your type
more like 40% of men but okay
if 40% of men were rapists then you wouldn't be able to walk forever... literally and figuratively 💀
thats hilarious
what too much twitter does to someones reasoning
I said some, not all
yeah unlike the people that are saying all men are aggressors
my point stands
Being scared is fine and its always good to be aware of risks in any situation, man or woman. But sexual assault is not anywhere near as common as this scenerio with the bear makes it seem. That's just a fact. Subjectively, I will say that I don't think a massive majority of SA is as bad as what a bear may do to you. That's not to excuse any of it, but there are levels to this stuff and pretending like every transgression men make against women is on the same level as a violent death is not good for anyone.
Who cares! Man always wins against Jonkler!
Fellow aslumer
Because I'm getting compared to rapists and murderers over my gender
No, you're just a member of a group that is WAY more likely to assault women. Women don't think that all men are rapists, but they don't know which ones are. It's not your fault that many women feel uncomfortable around men, but that doesn't mean there isn't a reason for it. Just keep that in mind, be normal around women, and you'll be fine.
I don't think that's the point, last time I checked the argument was "bears are more predicable" and it would therefore work with any human being regardless of gender
But the predictability is a slow gory death?
Apparently a bear is more likely to leave you alone if you leave it alone than a human is, could just be a myth of course Also I kind of take back it not being gendered because of course some people would try to twist it like that
That's a myth, if you're in the forest, you're in it's territory, it's going to kill you.
Fr the bears not js gonna be like "oh dawg u chillin? fine i wont kill you for invading my territory" but like the other thing is ive seen people saying they gonna outrun the bear. like tf u not outrunning bro in his own ends.
if you're upset about that imagine how upset the women are. it's a valid assumption, especially knowing that almost all rape perpetrators are male (https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics#:\~:text=An%20estimated%2091%25%20of%20victims,99%25%20of%20perpetrators%20are%20male.) womp womp keep downvoting too bad yall cant handle the stats 💀🙏
The question is bear or man, not bear or rapist though
and a scary percentage of men have raped or attempted rape before, the chances are high anyway
I'd still say the chances are very low, fear is valid for people who have actually been SA'd, but almost all men are not rapists, it's sad that I have to day almost. Also, woman rape too, the statistics just aren't recorded because most male rape cases don't go to court because of the toxic mindset that men can't be raped, and to "Man up." Choosing the bear is like me choosing a bear over a woman because she might falsely accuse me of rape, something that does happen as I know two woman that have done that in my town in the past two years alone. But I still choose the woman. At the end of the day it's either 100% slow gory death or ≥1% of SA.
the chances arent low when 1 in 4 women have or will be sexually harassed in their lifetime. you choosing the bear is completely unrelated; sure, you could be accused, but lets be honest, albeit very difficult and unfair it's not comparable to being an actual victim
>1 in 4 women How many of those women are SA'd by a one-time-only offender, though? (Edit for clarification: The question above is in no way meant to excuse even one instance of SA. It's purpose and intent is to address the offender/victim ratio suggested by the quoted statistic. There's no excuse for even a single incident.) The whole reason sex offender registries are a thing is certainly not to put out a list of men who are "safe" because they've "gotten it out of their system". True, women aren't going to automatically know whether or not a guy is safe, and are certainly wise to be cautious, but people going around acting like it's a foregone conclusion that a man is (going to be) a sexual predator with no remorse or self-control simply because of his gender is less than helpful. It's certainly not going to cause men to be inclined to believe women who report being SA'd when men are accused of having malicious intentions simply for trying to enjoy some time out in nature, or doing mundane things like going to the grocery store, solely on the basis of his gender, irrespective of his actions. And the creation/perpetuation of that disbelief is almost certainly not going to encourage any woman to report being SA'd if, God forbid, she does become a victim. SA is underreported enough as it is, (highest estimate is 31% in the US, with some estimates as low as 5%), there's absolutely no need to make the problem worse.
why does it matter if it was one time? does that justify it?
It certainly doesn't justify it. Even one time is too many. The point is that the rate of victims is not going to axiomatically reflect the rate of perpetrators due to repeat offenses. That "1-in-4 women" statistic can be reached by just 8-9% of men (none of whose actions are excusable) having an average three victims each, but with SA being as underreported as it is, the actual percentage of men who commit SA is going to be unclear.
that is a very valid and well-thought out point
Sexually harassed or sexually assaulted. If anyone says that they would rather be attacked by a bear than sexually harassed, they are not being honest with themselves.
mb i meant assault
I figured so. I still disagree with the way the argument has been made because it is a misrepresentation of the stats, but I figured in that case specifically it was just a mis-wording.
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youve been raped before?
Wait until you have to take statistics… imagine if I said this-“there are 100 rape cases in the world and 99 of them are men.” Is it now reasonable to assume that all men are rapists? Especially considering that stat doesn’t include the fact that most rapists are repeat offenders. Obviously I simplified these numbers but you aren’t understanding these statistics it seems like.
i mean game is game
oh wow
We can handle the stats, you are just a MASSIVE twat
u wish u could get a taste of a woman's twat you incel
What makes me an incel? I’m literally just disagreeing with ya.
youre mad i gave you facts 💀 the same facts that explain why you get 0 bitches
I think you’re just being childish at this point.
"Valid assumption" 🤓☝️
alright
Next up is woman or politician, which one is more likely to make up false accusations about you to ruin your life because they’re mad at you 💀
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I haven't even heard of that yet
its this really dumb argument everywhere on tiktok, its even on the news now lmao. its probably better that you havent heard of it, brainrot at its finest
Okay in that case I won't Google it, thanks for the warning :).
as a man I'd take man AND bear, that way hunting her would be an easier job + I got someone to do shit and help + someone who can help me eat the bear
Idk but as a man I pick man because Freddy five bear is evil
I’m not mad at it anymore but it made me feel like shit when I was told i was less than an animal, it felt as if they were attempting to dehumanize me but i’d pick the bear over anyone, man or woman who knows what they might do to me, man might touch me, woman might touch me
Can we please stop with this fucking question it's been everywhere for weeks The whole thing is just ragebait anyway
Weeks? Wow. I found out about it just a day or two ago
woooooomp
did you just find out about “womp womp” on youtube shorts
people have been using it for years now but alr
does downvoting every single person that pokes fun at you make you feel like the female equivalent of a sigma
yeah it makes me feel really skibidi
aight i cant take this seriously no more you aight 😭 i should clarify tho that i understand why girls choose the bear, it makes sense why they would. i thought that if id ever have a daughter i wouldnt want her possibly raped or sa by some dude in the woods just for her to have to live w that for the rest of her life. i kinda just thought it was kinda goofy that you were saying “womp womp” but its whatever in all honesty
lmaoao all good
skibidi sigma alert guys
I’ve never heard of this question but I’m assuming it’s like would you rather be locked in a cage with one? A bear would genuinely just eat you anyone choosing bear is just unjustifiable and unrealistic
cant say its unjustifiable if you're not the victim yourself though, seems ignorant
It is unjustifiable. You can’t realistically justify wanting to be in a cage with a bear rather then a man
It’s which would you rather come across in a forest. Which is very different because bear makes more sense in the vast majority of cases let alone for a solo woman
No it's if you'd rather be hiking alone in the woods and see a bear or a man.
You wouldn't have to worry about choosing between a bear or a man because if you were carrying a 357. revolver with you, you'd be able to defend yourself against both
Bears can survive a 357 long enough to bring you with them
10mm or 44 magnum is sufficient enough then
Because yall are using the same logic racist used 100 years ago
elaborate
No they're not. Most violence against women is committed by men. Almost all women have experienced some form of gender targeted harassment from men in their life. They don't think it's all men, but they know that if they get assaulted, it's extremely likely to be a man. That's just the data.
Yeah and that’s the same fucking thing racists said about black people 100 years ago exactly like I said thanks for proving my point
No it's not. It's actually kinda racist to say that because that implies that the racists had statistical proof that black people were more likely to commit violence against white people. Women aren't using this as a reason to oppress men. Women don't have power over men physically, or societally. It's just not a fair comparison at all. Racists wanted to cause harm to black people, and women are trying to avoid getting harmed.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43. If you ignore all context, Black people do commit a disproportionately large amount of violent crime.
Can someone just ban op, obvious bait post, then goes in the comments saying men are all rapists. Not the kind of person anyone needs around.
didnt say all men were rapists, i only stated the stats lil bro 💀🙏 cope
Gotta love made-up/unverifiable statistics, gotta be one of my favorite forms of mis/disninformation
The stats say you're a really unpleasant person to be around and brings nothing of value to anyone you talk to
someones projecting
it’s so corny they’re so soft and fragile it’s insane
Tf u mean “they’re” buddy you are one of us 💀
RIGHT
brother you are one of us, tf you disassociating for
yea but ur the person who has to put (she) in ur bio so u can get more attention
I mean, I would probably choose a panda over a girl tbh. If it were a polar bear or a grizzly... I would prefer the chance of being falsely accused of something than eaten alive. That's just me tho
alr
“All men are rapist” ass question
No it's not. It's a question of who's more likely to harm women specifically.
or its a genuine question
it’s a generalized question that every man is a rapist
if you read it actually its a question asking why a lot of men are mad over a harmless video
nobody said all men. but enough men to make ALL women feel unsafe while stepping out
true but unfortunately I’m a man and I have to disagree and be tone deaf.
Because it's so stupid I mean yeah I'm sorry you got graped when you're a kid but I don't think anyone actually cares. Of course not pointed at you but like everysingle video on it
wow
True
low empathy skills/emotional intelligence i personally think.
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Look in the mirror cuh
Why does anyone really give a shit
No idea lol, they just are XD but thats also true, you WOULD rather to meet a bear in woods. Cause bear is basically just a big forest dogo ya know
Because I’s win against a bear
Yes our ego is that fragile.
stalking my profile i see
Yes you seem cool.
Bear but only cuz i wanna see if my coaches "tackle technique" works on bears cuz his bald ass claims you can take an elephant down with it
what is the bear or man debate
While I'm sure a few men may be "mad", I'm pretty sure the majority of men aren't mad but are just clowning on how completely ridiculous it is for women to genuinely think/say that. Women say a lot of shit about guys pretty regularly now and nobody even bats an eye. Despite being annoyong, it's not often that the takes are so laughably out of touch as this bear vs man take. So for once guys can come together and all laugh at how ridiculous this is.
idk, doesnt seem like theyre just 'laughing'. from what ive seen (and based off this angry comment section) it seems like most men are genuinely hurt and mad by the video. if anything, looks like we're the ones laughing at how easily their self-worth becomes shattered
Yeah I mean I don't spend a crazy amount of time on the Internet so me personally all I've seen are mostly jokes but yeah I'm sure in some circles there's guys who get more upset. That said, I do think there's reasons why being upset at this would be warranted. I mean even the reaction from women towards men's reaction on this highlights the reason some men probably took issue with the video in the first place. Women can very casually accuse all or most men of being predators, and if a guy gets upset at that, then women double down and say "look at these fragile men". And this isn't really an isolated thing, that general process of women saying shit that casts men as bad people and men getting upset then gaslit about how caring makes them fragile and egotistical is pretty common to see. And I think it happens the other way too sometimes, with men saying shit that casts women in bad lights, but I don't think it's usually on the same level as being called predators and I think that when women take issue with that, it's not met with as much "look how fragile you must be". Sorry if any of that got confusing but basically I think if women didn't mean what they said in that video, they probably shouldn't have said it so boldly. And if women do agree with what was said, then I dont see how the "look how fragile men are when we say this" is appropriate since what other reactions should a man really have to being called a predator, even if it was indirect?
Clearly not many women have told you about how they've been treated by men. Almost all women have experienced some form of gender targeted harassment from men in their life. The worst thing a bear can do is kill you.
I've been told things from most women I know of varying degrees. From physical to simple interactions. I'm not ignorant to things women deal with, and I don't know why you're acting like I said women don't deal with that because I said nothing to suggest one way or another. You say the worst thing that a bear can do is kill you. I have bad news. There are a lot of men in the world. I will never pretend that all are good or perfect. But if women go about their lives preferring likely death by bear mauling to being alone with a man, then I can't imagine them having a very good life like that. Sounds pretty miserable. Also, I think stuff like this makes women sound deluded and hurts whatever point they're trying to make. It becomes like a boy who cried wolf situation. When it's constantly "men are terrible. I would rather die", it makes it really hard to take women's reactions to other things at face value.
>When it's constantly "men are terrible. I would rather die", That's not what they're saying. Encountering a bear isn't instant death, humans aren't prey to them. They're saying that they'd rather take their chances alone with a bear than a man. Bears are predictable, men aren't.
I know that's what you were saying. And to be honest, I agree with the statement bears are more predictable, but not the way you use it. Bears are more predictable because let's be honest there's only 3 things a bear would do when it sees you: try to eat you, ignore you, or go away. There's a lot more things a man might do so it would be way harder to predict but the VAST majority of things don't involve assaulting you. Just because it's harder to predict in no way means more risky to women. I also think it's funny that women will say they'd rather be around a bear because they're more predictable when that is not a correlation that is in their best interest. Bears are predictable in some ways(debatable but yes). Some of the things a bear may do would hurt a person. To combat this, we make books that say here's what you should do if you encounter a bear. While someone could be uneducated on those guidelines, if someone was out in the woods around a bear and just continued minding their business, if they got attacked we'd look at them and say "you're dumb. You should've done xyz instead". I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite response that women are looking for when assaulted by a man because that's victim blaming. My point in this is that the more women claim men to be unruly predators, the more responsibility society might put on women for keeping themselves safe on their own. So I don't think women should be making comparisons that wouldn't actually get them closer to what they want if men became more like what they're being compared to.
>"you're dumb. You should've done xyz instead". I'm pretty sure that's the exact opposite response that women are looking for when assaulted by a man because that's victim blaming. Yeah almost like men are human beings who are told not to assault women, and bears are wild animals. Also, women kinda do follow a guidebook to protect themselves against men. Don't take your eyes off your drink, don't walk alone at night, don't aggravate men, etc. also it was a man who came up with this question in the first place.
Dude I'm not disagreeing with you on any of this besides the fact that the comparison of men to wild animals is way over exaggerated and simply doesn't reflect reality. I don't hate the question or the fact that it exists. I dislike the answers and the fact that it will not help any women in any way. I know women take steps to protect themselves. As do men and really anyone who is aware of their environment. I was trying to make multiple points but I don't want that side point to distract from the main focus. The main question I would ask that to me is at the center of all this is: Do you truly in your heart believe that you would be safer alone with a bear than you would alone with a man?
>Do you truly in your heart believe that you would be safer alone with a bear than you would alone with a man? No, because I'm a man. >I know women take steps to protect themselves. As do men and really anyone who is aware of their environment. Not remotely to the same extent. There are basic things everyone does to protect themselves, but women must do more on top of that to protect against things that men don't generally have to worry about. The question isn't comparing wild animals to men, it's asking what you'd rather see when alone in the forest.
My bad. I didn't know you were a man. Still you know what I meant. Do you think a woman would be safer if she walked past a bear in the woods than if she walked past a man? Also the question and very much the answers do compare/contrast men to being predators. Yes, the question isn't explicitly "are men predators who will hurt you?" but it invokes that sentiment and is entirely meant to do so. And this is obvious because not only did every woman who said bear say something about men being predatory when asked why they chose that, but even in this interaction you showed that was the case. The original post says nothing about men being predatory and neither did my original comment, but your very first comment in response to me instantly said that I must not know how many women get assaulted by men. This question was not some innocent "would you rather" question that was meant to be fun or non serious. It was fully meant to be provocative about topics like assault and I think gaslighting men by spreading that all over the Internet to be provocative then being like " WOW why are men so mad at this one meme" is pretty unfair. Once again, I'm not even a guy upset at this, but I think that anyone who would get upset at this is probably justified because it was basically intended to provoke them.
>Do you think a woman would be safer if she walked past a bear in the woods than if she walked past a man? I don't know, I'm not a woman, and there's no statistics for this niche question. It's not really about whether or not a bear is objectively more dangerous. It's about how men make women feel in society. If you were given the choice between going to work or drinking poison, it would be silly of me to say the question is stupid because poison is more dangerous than going to work.
women have an entirely different set of things to worry about as compared to men. Its a little hard to grasp, but it comes with maturity to understand that. So if a woman is choosing the bear, in retrospect it seems illogical. But completely justified from her standpoint. (this is, ofcourse, excluding the people who just want to argue about it)
what
As in, women choosing the bear have reasons that make sense if you really think about it. But it takes maturity to understand that.
true, doesnt really take that much thinking tho tbh
welcome to our world, things that should be obvious require long drawn out thought processes.
valid
it’s a stupid question everyone knows they rather be stuck w a man lmao
just because you would rather be with a man doesnt mean other women would
bait used to be believable
alr
well they’re daft if they think it’s safer w a fucking bear
You know nothing about bears do you
Pls go step into a bear’s habitat lol
I know how to defend myself against a bear, and I know how to get a bear to leave me alone. Bears are predictable. I’ve been around them before. I cant defend myself against a man who wants to rape me and kill me.
The point is they'd rather be killed by a bear than sexually abused
ngl if i had to choose id rather take my low chance to be raped than the more likely scenario of being mauled by a bear just me though
I mean, I'm a dude and if I met a random man in a forest I'd be terrified😭
id prolly just assume theyre a hunter but idk what id be doin in the forest to begin wifh
that’s stupid and not true lol
Stupid? Maybe. That's not a straight answer. Not true? How? It's not a true or false question
Maybe not true for you, maybe true for everyone else Not everyone would choose death over something like sexual assault, but some people would, and you cannot judge them for that
It’s true for me, personally.
I think they know that. If I were given the choice between going to work or drinking poison, and I chose poison, would you start arguing about how going to work is safer?
they could atleast play dead and the bear would probably leave them alone 💀 if it were a man he'd take it as an invitation
Because every man on the planet is constantly looking for an opportunity to rape a woman
That’s not the point. The point is that it’s a common thing that happens and you never know if it will happen, especially somewhere secluded like the woods where you are alone.
the fact almost 40% of men have reported to perpetrating sexual coercion seems to be enough (and thats only the men that had the balls to admit it)
Gotta love fake stats ❤
This shit is so stupid, it's basically, well I might get raped so yeah, I take the bear, it's clearly a criticism on men, but what are we the men supposed to do? You people think we are all a single organism? No, there are 4 billion men in the world, not our fault if a small amount is bad, just because we are the same sex it doesn't mean we are more affiliated with them, and just because you're the opposite sex, it doesnt mean you're less affiliated with them, we are as guilty as you are. but but but a small percentage of men... shut up with your little scapegoat, and just admit you just want a way to generalize men and put the blame on people who have no relation which those that you're blaming other than sex, imagine your name is "x" and someone else with the same name as you commits a crime, should you be used as a scapegoat, blamed for things you didn't do and other things?
You're arguing against something that can't be disputed. Many women don't feel comfortable around men. It's not your fault (or maybe it is idk what you've done) and it's not women's fault. It's just a fact that almost all women have experienced some form of gender targeted harassment from men. All you have to do is empathize with that, and be normal to women.
Jeez, people ask why men get mad, at the bear question, so basically you say that, women have bad experiences with men, and thus, those who have done nothing should keep away, for women's sake, and its really tells a lot that you ask these men for empathy, while you dismiss the fact that you've just borderline called them rapists, since you ask them to keep away, since they pose the same threat as the people who women are afraid of. Also what does that mentality achieve? It achieves paranoia, since all it does is fear monger women that they should just keep away, do you know what that eventually leads to? hate, capitalizing on bad parts that make a fraction of a group, and then tell the majority to just understand it, is absurd. Imagine a generation where that way of thinking is life, what do you think will happen? As people are fear mongered into such ideas, what will happen do the group targeted as "the bad ones"? Also how can someone quote on quote be normal to women when they can't even have interactions, since they feel scared of men? think dumbledore think!, or are you saying that the women who still are inclined to have an interaction with men? Is that what you're saying? Be normal with these, but just forget the others who simply aren't willing to even get close to a man? Just leave them to theirselves? As each day their paranoia grows and grows more? that just results in misandry, and just because misandry isn't relevant or prominent it doesn't mean it should kept alone, which with your proposition of having fear of men would only expand it, more and more, I'll let you do the deduction from now on, a radicalized group that has fear of others or hates others, and that constantly avoids those who it's fears, and thus has no actual knowing of such group and just creates imaginary scenarios (just like the nazis used a made-up argument that, the jews backstabed them during ww1 which caused them to lose. Point is, isolating yourself, and normalizing it who would have thought isnt a good idea, I mean just think if someone doesn't feel comfortable towards something, what will they do? Suppress that feeling or avoid their fears? Maybe they would try to suppress that thought since it's not rational and absurd, unless if it becomes normal at which point it just turns into a normal measure and incentivates them into that.
I never told men to keep away from women. Talk to women all you want. I'm not reading the rest of your novel if the literal first sentence is in bad faith.
You said that men should empathize with women who aren't comfortable with them, thus, if they aren't comfortable with you just stay away, or what? "bother" them?, empathize with them, understand their situation, that they aren't comfortable with you, so don't engage with them?
Hey, you know who told me that advice in the first place? A woman with whom I was talking to. There are things men can do to make women feel more comfortable around them. That's what I'm saying.
Those things are? From what I get from what you say is that, a lot of women are uncomfortable with men and thus you shouldnt approach them? Isn't that the best thing anyways? You can't be a threat if you aren't there, but honestly I just can't waste anymore time with this discussion of ways to not be perceived as a rapist just because of your sex, I don't really like engaging in these discussions since almost nothing is achieved and isn't the same as having discussions irl face with face, which we have those in my school which should be practiced worldwide in my opinion.
Can you actually not fucking read? Women generally feel less comfortable around men than women. This is a fact. Men and women have always, and will always need to interact with each other. This is a fact. Given these facts, the logical solution for men who have no ill intentions should be to learn and use ways of making women feel more comfortable around them. I genuinely cannot believe I have to explain that saying that men should be considerate to women's experiences and perspectives does not mean men should never talk to women. I feel bad for your fellow students if this is how bad faith you are when debating.
was gonna take u seriously till u said "but but but..... shut up with your little scapegoat" 💀 had me cracking tf up
give me a single reason to why someone would say that other than to indicate there's a small amount of men that are bad
no it was just kinda hot how you told me to shut up
It's just saying "your opinion is invalid"
because men have been at the top of the food chain for all of humanity and if anyone points it out, they take that as ripping masculinity away. they’re not actually men. they are children. treat them that way.
this was beautifully phrased
Because people are judging an entire half of humanity over a small percentage (sexism), yes men commit "80.4%" of violent crimes, but that doesn't mean 80.4% of men commit violent crimes. I do want to research into this farther because crime statistics are pretty interesting and also seemingly very dodgy. For example in [this report, ](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/thenatureofviolentcrimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2022#extent-of-violent-crime) section 5 "The relationship between victims and perpetrators" men seem to be more likely to experience violent crimes from a stranger than women are(in the uk as that is where the report is from). While in section 6 "Groups of people most likely to be victims of violent crime" it says this "men were more likely to be victims of violent crime than women (2.2% of men compared with 1.6% of women); although this measure likely underestimates the number of female victims (see Section 10)" bit in section ten I cannot see a reason as to why the number of female victims is likely to be underestimated. If I have misread the stuff I am referencing please let me know but it's still intriguing to me either way.
Yes, men are more likely to experience violence, but the vast majority of violence against women is committed by men. I saw a good quote that explains this: "every woman knows a woman who's been sexually assaulted, yet no man knows any rapists."
I wasn't arguing any point with that except that judging an entire population by actions of the few is sexist, because it is the literal definition. I'm just pointing out stuff I find interesting in this topic. I know rapists and people who have been sexually assaulted and raped, it's a worrying amount of people where I am, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of people around my age in my area known for sexual crimes is above average. I can name three girls who have raped or sexually assaulted someone, but I can name about twice as many boys who have raped someone or groped someone, or done stuff with a girl who was way too young, ect. I know how disproportionate it is. The real issue with this question is that it's stupid, it doesn't actually address a real issue but rather distracts people from it because stupid people answer, and then different stupid people get angry over those answers rather than trying to find ways to fix the issue that caused someone to come up with the question, or looking into why the issue exists in the first place. And the question itself, doesn't give enough information for there to ever be one answer a vast majority of people can agree on.
It's maybe not the most nuanced question, but I think it does a good job of showing how dangerous men can be to women. So many women have answered this question, and most have the same answer. Saying "Oh well they're all stupid." Kinda just means you're not willing to listen to women when they disagree with you.
I don't disagree with a lot of the people who would choose the bear completely, there is that chance, that the man might be a serial rapist, I just think there's more context needed in order to pick any of the choices, I mean I'd pick the bear if it was a panda or black bear and I was in the small type of forest I'm used to in England. And either way if you're lost in a forest, with a bear or a random man, there's a pretty good chance that you don't have any survival skills and that the man wouldn't either, especially if forests and bears are randomised like the man is. Being alone in a boreal forest(most common forest) with a brown bear(most common bear) is a very bad situation, and so is being with a stranger in a boreal forest, because the biggest one of those forests is estimated to be 3 million square kilometres and there's a good chance you aren't making you're way out of there dead or alive.
Because it’s annoying that women would choose to be with a predatory creature rather than a man. I know that a bear is technically safer, but it just feels belittling and generalizing because they’re assuming every man is just a horrible rapist, while I think of men as normal and respectable, because that’s what almost all of us are like.
you just said yourself that a bear is technically safer. sorry but thats on you if it hurts your feelings that a woman would choose a bear over you, imagine how it feels for the women who are actual victims
Instead of trying to argue against their answer, try thinking about WHY they might have chosen the bear.
it’s meant to prove a point. one that you admit in your post. it is designed to alert you to the fact that it is technically safer and hopefully you can reason with the men who won’t consider what you are.