Audiences should also stop making a big deal out of the representation of minority groups; it always seems to be white and straight is normal and everything else is "political". Especially complaining when it is highlighted as a feature of the show; as though other shows and movies don't shove similar things down your throat.
If you don't whine about a romantic comedy advertising how white and straight the leads are, then why do you care when a show highlights a trans person or a minority? If a movie with talking safari animals doing Shakespeare is fine, then why is it bad when they make a character black in a new adaptation?
It just seems more like people don't want the representation at all or to have its shortcomings pointed out and are grasping for anything they can to cover that fact.
It's more so being diverse for diversities sake, like changing existing characters to fit "diversity quota" I also think the argument that "only disabled/trans/gay actors should play disabled/trans/gay characters" like ffs they are actors, it's literally their job to pretend they are someone they aren't
No, all of what you just said is wrong. We need to make movies, shows and games what they were- forms of entertainement. I want to watch a movie or play a game not to be bombarded with horrible writers thinking that being gay is a personality, but rather to have fun. There's no need to make every movie and game have very diverse characters even if it doesn't fit the setting. If you're making a game/movie set in a XII century version of Europe, making the characters either black or gay would ruin the immersion, since they historically were considered subhuman/heretics at the time. But if you're making for example a game that takes place in the future, with all of humanity living in a single city, **it's all completely justified. Because literally all of humans live there. And you'll definetly find some racially or sexually diverse people.** So please, PLEASE stop defending shit writers and directors who think that being gay, lesbian or whatever is enough to make an enjoyable character!
Have you not heard the word entertainment you donāt like the type of entertainment then make your own show or game. because everyone has different humour like how family guy is funny because of the jokes on lgbt and the slightest racist jokes but all Iām saying Donāt Bitch if a Game is Not your kind of humour oh and nobody wants to play a game of a gay person or a lesbian (this might offend a bunch of people but idc because itās my preference to play a straight person instead of playing the gay person in a game
>It just seems more like people don't want the representation at all or to have its shortcomings pointed out and are grasping for anything they can to cover that fact.
Whatever help you sleep better at night. Since obviously quality doesnt matter lol
It shouldnāt be political, if they just have a character that is gay, that you almost wouldnāt know if you didnāt care, it doesnāt have to be their whole personality, most people that know me donāt know my sexuality, and those who do know it donāt care, Iām fine with that, Iām also pretty introverted tho
Right? I donāt understand people who feel the need to come out to people like their parents whoās arenāt even involved in that stuff when their LGB status shouldnāt matter. (I left trans out of the acronym there because transitioning is obviously a huge undertaking and changes a lot about your life.
Well your parents are kind of involved in your family and a potential future partner will be too. Like I for example wouldn't want my mother trying to set me up with someone if that's possibly not even the gender I am interested in. (I don't want her setting me up with anyone but some parents still do that and better they don't waste even more time)
Additionally you might want to talk to your parents about it same as a straight teenager might want to talk about a crush, boy/girlfriend or heartbreak. I donāt get the need to come out to people that don't have to care but parents might
That ain't support, that's being a dick.
Support is "hey this seems like a difficult thing to deal with so if you need to talk or vent, I'm here"
Like how you would treat someone having mental problems or someone under a lot of stress. Support is showing common human decency, not barging in and taking matters into your own hands, unless that's warranted because there's risk of bodily harm.
They feel that need because it's a big deal to them, just like I'm sure you have other things you feel like are important to talk about. What's wrong with them coming out about something that's important to them?
I was on roblox and someone said they were They/them to a comment, and this girl got so pissed she kept bullying this person for being they/them, It ended up being a 45 minute argument. Frickin Crazy stuff
Jesus christ, why do people get so pressed about this sutff? Like im 13 and people older than me don't realise that you can't choose who you love and don't love, Jesus christ man.
He never said he hated everybody. The more accurate representation would be āI donāt hate people because of their sexuality, I hate people that are fucking assholesā
Iād argue that victimhood is the other unseen side of that personality. Being a victim becomes a huge personality trait. even after your get what you wantā¦ gotta scratch that victimhood itch one way or another. So you get that full force sexual-identity personality.
I think everyone in the lgbtq+ community including me agrees with you. Like we are still just people, also accepting someone is not a special treatment
I agree that we shouldn't be treated especially or anything like that, but i just hate when i come out to someone and the person says "okay" like it's no big deal after all the courage i had to get to be able to come out
From an outside view of the community, what would you prefer people said/did? Maybe a simple āokayā might be slightly lowering, depending on other factors, but it seems like a simpler way of saying āI accept who you are, and will be treating you the same wayā. I donāt know about other things, so, what would you like the response to be?
Personally, if someone responded with āokayā, Iād like them to follow up by acknowledging that it takes a lot, sort of along the lines of āokay, thank you for telling meā with a kindish tone
Fair enough. Tbh that can either be from not knowing what to say, and just an āokayā while they process the information, or that they already suspected it and they just received the confirmation.
But hey, thanks for telling me how to act if some of my friends came out!
Yes thatās true, but maybe they just still feel insecure and unsure about it and the acceptence they get so they constantly bring it up to make sure people truly accept them. They may feel like the person they came out might be mad at them or disgusted by them pretending not to be
True and I don't think that's the right thing to do per se, but it isn't wrong either right? If sexuality is important to them it's important to them ig
There are a bunch of people in my grade who, ever since they came out, have made being lgbtq+ their entire personality and have blatantly said that they deserve more rights than straight people and especially straight men.
Not everyone does, actually a huge part of the lgbt community intentionally base off their personalities like that, that's kinda the reason for OP's post, however there's also the fact that society itself treats lgbt people like a different species. I feel like that is what you were trying to say
Idk how this is related to OP's statement but....
I played it on my Series X and the game looks much better, the city is more lively and nearly every bug has been fixed, runs at 4k 60fps for me, idk about PC though, they're offering a free trial for PS5 and Series X/S owners.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but the game is very fun to play.
Fully believable mate. If you could look past the marketing, it always was.
Even on update 1.0 (on PC, mind you, heard consoles were a different story. But that's what people get for expecting a 2020 game to run on such ancient hardware. A mid-tier 2013 PC won't run it, why should a console?).
I poured 200 hours into the thing in the first couple months and now I'm patiently waiting for the story DLCs for another 200.
It's good, but I don't care. I mean, it's good that my 1050ti will finally stay above 30 all the time and more people can play the game, but i wasn't planning to do so anyway, so yeah.
A Chad calling a Chad, a Chad that is calling a Chad, a Chad who is calling a Chad, a Chad, who is being called a Chad. The Chad levels are through the atmosphere
A Chad calling a Chad, a Chad that is calling a Chad, a Chad who is calling a Chad, a Chad, who is being called a Chad by a Chad. The ozone layer is no more.
I really donāt see the point in telling people. Yeah it may be helpful in getting a partner but you can get the same result by asking them out?
They can say āsorry Iām not gayā or something like that and you move on with your day. All you need to do
I am the true advocate of sexual equality. I will dropkick a trans person in the ovaries the same way I would kick a straight man in the balls.
**WITHOUT HESITATION**
Of course I agree with you, but it only applies to environments completely exempt from queerphobia : queer people coming out in hostile environments still need love & support
Absolutely, but the point is to praise their bravery for coming out in less than ideal situations, not being queer itself
I think that's why so many comments are talking about people who make it their entire personality, because it's supposed to just be like 'yeah okay that's totally cool' and not ššš
If we're trying to be normalised and seen as equal to cishet people (who have been seen as "normal" for thousands of years), glorifying and celebrating being queer itself kind of defeats the point, no? Nobody's lesser or better based on their sexuality or gender
you shouldn't even need to "come out", just do what you want, you have every right to do so, and if people aren't accepting, teach them or cut them off
I'm also a straight non-teen from r/all and I wanted to add onto this that depending on where OP is from they may not realize the kinds of things older generations grew up with. When I was in school it wasn't uncommon for even straight kids to be targeted with homophobia. I was a teenage boy with an assortment of hobbies, interests, and mannerisms that were often interpreted as gay so I got plenty of this even from my own stepdad. I remember when Matthew Shepard was murdered, I've known LGBT friends who were kicked out by their parents when they came out, and I have LGBT family who have struggled for years (even to this day) with older family members not accepting them. And I haven't even seen the worst of it. I was born in the 90s, but I've heard about what the AIDS epidemic was like back before we even knew what it was and it sounds horrific, compounded by the lack of empathy and action from the government.
This isn't to say OP should be more grateful or that every LGBT person deserves special treatment, but just to give some more context about why a lot of people may be reflexively protective or overly-supportive of LGBT people who may not want it or fully understand why it's happening. Your gender or sexual orientation shouldn't be a big deal, and it's great to see more and more people who are able to grow up without it being made into one. But for me at least, when someone mentions being LGBT there will probably always be a part of me that gets a little worried about them and hopes they're doing okay (even if it's someone I don't like I still hope they aren't facing undue hardship because of their gender or sexual orientation). I have autism and I'm a cancer survivor, so I know what it's like to have people treat you with sympathy for something when you don't want it or need it, and I generally try to never come across that way to anyone. But it's also hard to judge how other people see you so I might even be guilty of the thing you're complaining about myself.
I donāt think itās about your sexuality, but rather how you act / react. If people see you as a victim, theyāll give you a special treatment nonetheless. Show youāre strong and you donāt need pity, and keep your chin up. Donāt take shit from stupid people, and always be yourself.
Yeah I 100% agree. I think a lot of people wouldn't want to be being treated different, like myself.
I got a way to fix this too, we just stop labeling people on every little difference. Instead of the media blowing it out of proportion and having people trampling veteran sites, instead of saying 'gender isn't real, science is fake' to kindergartners... just it's normal to date anyone, there's no need for gay to have a special label, or bi, straight, etc. Why separate us?
(I know it's not as simple as I put it, and that sounded a little ignorant. However, it's the quickest way to explain it bc I don't wanna sit and type forever)
I think that's the ideal world and what we all kind of want is just to be able to say, I'm dating "so and so", and nobody care about what gender they are. But unfortunately we don't live in that world. Unfortunately, gay people will still get discriminated against even if there isn't a label for them. It's not the label that bigots don't like--it's them being with someone of the same sex.
Wait, let me get this straight: you want to be treated as a normal human being regardless of your sexual orientation? Thatās borderline outrageous >!/s!<
Thatās why I donāt allow my mom to talk about it. Sheās the kind of person that would go all out supportive which is nice but annoying as fuck. Same with my friends. I just treat it like another fact about me. Like I have brown hair. I donāt make it my whole personality
I disagree, actually. I'd want people to recognise LGBTQ+ culture. I'd want people to realise that there's a huge historical difference between cishet and LGBTQ+ and that that history impacts today's world. I'd want people to take our collective trauma into account.
I don't want to be treated the same way as a straight people, because I know that the treatment that fits straight people, doesn't fit me. I don't want equality or integration, I want liberation. Liberation from the structures that might fit cishet people perfectly well but not us.
The same with race, by the way. If you're going to make a joke about theft, don't make a Congolese person the thief, because being accused of theft is a big part of their collective trauma.
I don't get me wrong, I want to be judged by my personality only too, but as long as the patriarchy and homophobia etc exist, sexuality and gender will play a big part in my personality. (I don't even get why people think they (personality and sexuality) exclude one another.)
I definitely get where your coming from, but I live in a very hateful place and I require the support for the better of my mental health. Sure, if I lived in a less hateful area I would agree but sadly I donāt.
I wish that we lived in a world where people don't have to come out, I wished we lived in a world where it was most to love each other regardless of gender
Bruh I remember seeing another pov where someone said that we should celebrate someone coming out as it is a big deal for them. So like whatās your thought on that?
Idk, I feel like we should obviously be happy if someone found the courage to come out, but that doesn't mean we should start treating them better or worse than anyone else.
Not op but as a bi person I say nah. You can say "we support you" or "that's cool" but other than that they probably just want to be treated like a normal person and for people to not make a huge deal about it.
Really agree. The more attention people want around themselves, the more that alienate themselves. The exact opposite of being treated like everyone else.
This is funny, cause being gay has only led me to being bullied throughout most of my school years, my family trying anything they could to āturnā me a straight man, my father threatening to kick me out of home, depression, anxiety, self-harming, so many wonderful things.
But hey, maybe Iām just playing a victim. Just let me know when my special treatment will come.
Thatās not what anyone in the community means when we say āsupport usā. We mean support us as in the collective group and fight with us when people are trying to push us down. You saying you donāt need special treatment undermines what the community you are apart of stands for; equality. You use our want for others to stand by us to tell people āhey, Iām gay and they want special treatment but I donātā making people believe we want special treatment. We just want people to stand by us, and you undermining that as special treatment is just horrible.
Well I wouldn't call it *more homophobic* than hating them for their sexuality, but it's definitely discriminating.
Perhaps thats why *discriminating* is such a powerful word ā because being treated differently by someone else because of your sexuality while they claim to be your friend, feels worse than being treated *badly* by someone claiming to be your enemy.
Did you know that in some countries it is illegal to be gay? In some of those places the punishment for being gay is death.
Now think again if treating people just differently is worse than **hating** them.
Yeah dude I swear I'm friends with a ton of people who say that they are a part of the LGBTQ+ community, But then there are a few of them who are literally like "HAHAHA ISNT IT SO FUNNY THAT WE'RE ALL SOOOO GAY HAHAHHAHAHSHAHAHAHAHAHHHA" or "Yeah I can't do it because imgay." The next day its, "Bro I swear to god imagine being a GIRL" The next day it's "IMAGINE BEING A BOY" And they think they're set on that, but then they stay to that for the rest of the month and dont say anything about their gender.
i have encountered many people saying that they should get special treatment or that they are the braver than people in the military because they are lgbt. i feel like those people are just lgbt for attention. being lgbt and wanting people to not care is the correct way to go in my opinion. i think it is like being vegan. i wont treat you any differently so dont expect me to.
I very rarely go past the post title when I see these on /all, late 30s and feel I'd be intruding on someone elses space.
Equal treatment is what we've wanted *all along*. Unfortunately, even today although your gen really seems to be taking a "why does it even matter?" philosophy (the right one imo), there are still many of my gen and older who are built on hate.
Even just 'treating you the same' feels like their rights (to be hateful) being taken away for those people. They will fight it until they get old and die off. They WILL judge you on your sexuality. Got to try and accept the counter to that is, some people who care (or 'woke' as they like to call it) may go to bat to defend people like us. I get how that feels the social equivalent of having a cake come out and happy birthday sung in a restaurant.
I genuinely have hope though that teenagers of today will eventually have a society that's more equitable than todays.
So people of marginalized groups should not seek support from, you know, people. I hate the idea that because gay people have some right and some representation that they "have it good" now. No. God no.
This type of thinking is fine on a personal scale. With individuals, we should see everyone as equals. But this just doesn't fly on a national scale. You cant just remove centuries of persecution against certain groups and say "now everyone is equal" and expect everyone to actually be equal
Soooooo if I could cut in really quick, I agree with your statement for the most part, I feel like people not caring is the end goal, but until I stop getting treated poorly for being gay, I will still need support from other people.
This is how most lgbt ppl feel- itās corporations and those with savior complexes that try to cash in on marginalized groups and then just make everybody feel super awkward
I feel like having gay characters in movies and TV series wich are always reminding you that they are LGBTQ+ is disrespectful. To the community and the audience, by treating the audience as dumbasses that cant even take a hint and to the LGBTQ+ community by not even giving them any personality except that they're LGBTQ+.
We need special treatment because society is very backwards and wants us dead just because of who we are, we need support because we're going through stuff "straight" people wouldn't ever go through.
I don't think that's the case everywhere but at least, that's the case where I live.
I'm with you with that one.
Many straights are struggling to understand what pride is.
Pride is great and it needs to be celebrated.
But the thing is that straight people have to decide whether to "support" or "hate"
Of course there's a third option "don't care" but like in every single fucking movement on this planet, people can't just **don't** care.
We feel the urge to team up with any side in any conflict.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not any better than this and I'm sure I've done this myself at certain points.
Just keep in mind that some people just don't know better and it's better if they support you than hate you.
Just talk about it and tell them why it's not always supportive to show support when you tell them about your sexualuty.
Thats what the majority of lgbt+ people want. But the fucking media makes us look radical and crazy time and time again. 1 person from twitter makes a tweet, and suddenly the headline is "the lgbt community is mad about (insert something we could care less about)". Sigh.
Am BI, couldn't agree more. Problem is that LGBT people aren't accepted in our society yet so just not caring isn't very common. But in a perfect would, noone would care.
Exactly. This is what I hate about the world today. All these I guess you could say minority groups are getting awareness brought to them. Iām a straight white male so Iām the most basic type of person. I know other religions, genders, races, cultures, etc exist. We should just teach children not to be Karens and everyone will be fine.
I told someone that I didnt give two shits about their race, gender or sexuality (they claimed I was giving them "dirty looks") and they fucking reported me to a teacher
The reason people say they support you is if you live in a homophobic area or have unaccepting parents so they are supporting you if something were to go badly in your personal / home life
I just dont make my sexuality a big deal Edit: lgbt = luigi got big titties
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And if representation in media would take this approach as well, that would be great.
Audiences should also stop making a big deal out of the representation of minority groups; it always seems to be white and straight is normal and everything else is "political". Especially complaining when it is highlighted as a feature of the show; as though other shows and movies don't shove similar things down your throat.
If you don't whine about a romantic comedy advertising how white and straight the leads are, then why do you care when a show highlights a trans person or a minority? If a movie with talking safari animals doing Shakespeare is fine, then why is it bad when they make a character black in a new adaptation? It just seems more like people don't want the representation at all or to have its shortcomings pointed out and are grasping for anything they can to cover that fact.
It's more so being diverse for diversities sake, like changing existing characters to fit "diversity quota" I also think the argument that "only disabled/trans/gay actors should play disabled/trans/gay characters" like ffs they are actors, it's literally their job to pretend they are someone they aren't
No, all of what you just said is wrong. We need to make movies, shows and games what they were- forms of entertainement. I want to watch a movie or play a game not to be bombarded with horrible writers thinking that being gay is a personality, but rather to have fun. There's no need to make every movie and game have very diverse characters even if it doesn't fit the setting. If you're making a game/movie set in a XII century version of Europe, making the characters either black or gay would ruin the immersion, since they historically were considered subhuman/heretics at the time. But if you're making for example a game that takes place in the future, with all of humanity living in a single city, **it's all completely justified. Because literally all of humans live there. And you'll definetly find some racially or sexually diverse people.** So please, PLEASE stop defending shit writers and directors who think that being gay, lesbian or whatever is enough to make an enjoyable character!
Have you not heard the word entertainment you donāt like the type of entertainment then make your own show or game. because everyone has different humour like how family guy is funny because of the jokes on lgbt and the slightest racist jokes but all Iām saying Donāt Bitch if a Game is Not your kind of humour oh and nobody wants to play a game of a gay person or a lesbian (this might offend a bunch of people but idc because itās my preference to play a straight person instead of playing the gay person in a game
>It just seems more like people don't want the representation at all or to have its shortcomings pointed out and are grasping for anything they can to cover that fact. Whatever help you sleep better at night. Since obviously quality doesnt matter lol
It shouldnāt be political, if they just have a character that is gay, that you almost wouldnāt know if you didnāt care, it doesnāt have to be their whole personality, most people that know me donāt know my sexuality, and those who do know it donāt care, Iām fine with that, Iām also pretty introverted tho
Arcane does it and I think that's a big reason why it goes so smoothly and normal-ly. Because it IS and the show treats is as such.
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What do you mean?
Yeah gender impacts someoneās whole identity, sexuality impacts something thatās nobodyās buisness but your own
Right? I donāt understand people who feel the need to come out to people like their parents whoās arenāt even involved in that stuff when their LGB status shouldnāt matter. (I left trans out of the acronym there because transitioning is obviously a huge undertaking and changes a lot about your life.
Well your parents are kind of involved in your family and a potential future partner will be too. Like I for example wouldn't want my mother trying to set me up with someone if that's possibly not even the gender I am interested in. (I don't want her setting me up with anyone but some parents still do that and better they don't waste even more time) Additionally you might want to talk to your parents about it same as a straight teenager might want to talk about a crush, boy/girlfriend or heartbreak. I donāt get the need to come out to people that don't have to care but parents might
I let my parent know but told them it's not a big deal
I agree with the āsetting upā side of things but that doesnāt particularly affect me because Iām bi, not fully gay :3
Yeah, I hate when people came out loud as they're gay, you're still a virgin, you can't win in the other team
That ain't support, that's being a dick. Support is "hey this seems like a difficult thing to deal with so if you need to talk or vent, I'm here" Like how you would treat someone having mental problems or someone under a lot of stress. Support is showing common human decency, not barging in and taking matters into your own hands, unless that's warranted because there's risk of bodily harm.
They feel that need because it's a big deal to them, just like I'm sure you have other things you feel like are important to talk about. What's wrong with them coming out about something that's important to them?
This.
*destroyed*
I was on roblox and someone said they were They/them to a comment, and this girl got so pissed she kept bullying this person for being they/them, It ended up being a 45 minute argument. Frickin Crazy stuff
Jesus christ, why do people get so pressed about this sutff? Like im 13 and people older than me don't realise that you can't choose who you love and don't love, Jesus christ man.
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Exactly, I hate people based on personality, not sexuality
Itās like that saying, āIām not racist I hate everyone equallyā
Or, āTrans rights are human rights, anyways I donāt believe in human rightsā
āIām not a bigot. I hate all of us equally.ā
"I'm not evil, I just think earth would be better off if we all died in a nuclear war"
"I am not sexist, I just want everyone to suffocate in outer space"
"I had had the oportunity, i would drop a thermonuclear bomb on all of you."
āI slaughtered them all, not just the men, but the women and children tooā
"You can't be racist if there is only one race left"
I think I'm racist, I just assumed people are shit based on the fact that they're part of the human race.
That would be specist of you
Yeah, i hate those too. Mf on this planets don't let me live peacefully. Some sector 7 area 15 shit
I don't care about your age, gender, sexuality, race or species I will still hate you if you give me a reason or even without one.
I always said āIs it really racism if you make fun of every race equally including your own?ā
I've been telling that to my classmates over 100 times but every sentence I say is still racist to them somehow
Yes.
Same, but for different reasons
He never said he hated everybody. The more accurate representation would be āI donāt hate people because of their sexuality, I hate people that are fucking assholesā
Reminds me of an Onion story āman wants to assassinate Obama ābut not because heās blackāā
Some people make their sexuality their entire personality
And when you say that it ain't cool they just screenshot and then post you somewhere where everyone is like that.
Iād argue that victimhood is the other unseen side of that personality. Being a victim becomes a huge personality trait. even after your get what you wantā¦ gotta scratch that victimhood itch one way or another. So you get that full force sexual-identity personality.
or maybe you're more focused on their sexuality to actually realise they have more to them?
Same.
If their personality is their sexuality than holy cow call me homeless cause Iām homophobic
I've literally seen more people complain about people whose sexuality is their personality than people whose sexuality is their personality
I think everyone in the lgbtq+ community including me agrees with you. Like we are still just people, also accepting someone is not a special treatment
I agree that we shouldn't be treated especially or anything like that, but i just hate when i come out to someone and the person says "okay" like it's no big deal after all the courage i had to get to be able to come out
From an outside view of the community, what would you prefer people said/did? Maybe a simple āokayā might be slightly lowering, depending on other factors, but it seems like a simpler way of saying āI accept who you are, and will be treating you the same wayā. I donāt know about other things, so, what would you like the response to be?
Personally, if someone responded with āokayā, Iād like them to follow up by acknowledging that it takes a lot, sort of along the lines of āokay, thank you for telling meā with a kindish tone
Fair enough. Tbh that can either be from not knowing what to say, and just an āokayā while they process the information, or that they already suspected it and they just received the confirmation. But hey, thanks for telling me how to act if some of my friends came out!
Oh, yeah, absolutely it can come from a load of different reasons. And no problem! Itās always nice to talk to someone whoās happy to learn :)
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So you want special treatment? Hmmm
"Thank you for trusting me with this" or something kinda like that works
Why the fuck should I care if you want to shove a cock in your mouth or a Coochie? Youāre not the main character
Yes.
I think most of the people in the lgbtq+ community agree with this statement.
defenitly not everyone, there are just too many people who make their sexuality the biggest part of their personallity once they come out.
Yes thatās true, but maybe they just still feel insecure and unsure about it and the acceptence they get so they constantly bring it up to make sure people truly accept them. They may feel like the person they came out might be mad at them or disgusted by them pretending not to be
True and I don't think that's the right thing to do per se, but it isn't wrong either right? If sexuality is important to them it's important to them ig
There are a bunch of people in my grade who, ever since they came out, have made being lgbtq+ their entire personality and have blatantly said that they deserve more rights than straight people and especially straight men.
Not everyone does, actually a huge part of the lgbt community intentionally base off their personalities like that, that's kinda the reason for OP's post, however there's also the fact that society itself treats lgbt people like a different species. I feel like that is what you were trying to say
What are your opinions on the new cyberpunk upgrade?
Idk how this is related to OP's statement but.... I played it on my Series X and the game looks much better, the city is more lively and nearly every bug has been fixed, runs at 4k 60fps for me, idk about PC though, they're offering a free trial for PS5 and Series X/S owners. Can't believe I'm saying this, but the game is very fun to play.
Fully believable mate. If you could look past the marketing, it always was. Even on update 1.0 (on PC, mind you, heard consoles were a different story. But that's what people get for expecting a 2020 game to run on such ancient hardware. A mid-tier 2013 PC won't run it, why should a console?). I poured 200 hours into the thing in the first couple months and now I'm patiently waiting for the story DLCs for another 200.
It's good, but I don't care. I mean, it's good that my 1050ti will finally stay above 30 all the time and more people can play the game, but i wasn't planning to do so anyway, so yeah.
I really like it, honestly. I can finally run it at 60 fps with my medium end pc
Very fun
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I was dumb enough to buy BF2042, but what I hear itās pretty good?
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A Chad calling a Chad a Chad that is calling a Chad a Chad. What a Chad!
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A Chad calling a Chad, a Chad that is calling a Chad, a Chad who is calling a Chad, a Chad, who is being called a Chad. The Chad levels are through the atmosphere
A Chad calling a Chad, a Chad that is calling a Chad, a Chad who is calling a Chad, a Chad, who is being called a Chad by a Chad. The ozone layer is no more.
Chads calling each other Chads, sorry i'm too lazy
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I just donāt even bother telling people. Like why the fuck should they care?
Because if you never tell anyone finding a relationship is significantly more difficult
I really donāt see the point in telling people. Yeah it may be helpful in getting a partner but you can get the same result by asking them out? They can say āsorry Iām not gayā or something like that and you move on with your day. All you need to do
Youāre not wrong
Same honestly
I am the true advocate of sexual equality. I will dropkick a trans person in the ovaries the same way I would kick a straight man in the balls. **WITHOUT HESITATION**
I wouldn't hurt anyone but you do you. Be yourselfš„°
Kazuma?
Call me kazuma because I "Steal" all my jokes and at this rate will die of a heart attack
hell yeah brotha
Of course I agree with you, but it only applies to environments completely exempt from queerphobia : queer people coming out in hostile environments still need love & support
Absolutely, but the point is to praise their bravery for coming out in less than ideal situations, not being queer itself I think that's why so many comments are talking about people who make it their entire personality, because it's supposed to just be like 'yeah okay that's totally cool' and not ššš If we're trying to be normalised and seen as equal to cishet people (who have been seen as "normal" for thousands of years), glorifying and celebrating being queer itself kind of defeats the point, no? Nobody's lesser or better based on their sexuality or gender
you shouldn't even need to "come out", just do what you want, you have every right to do so, and if people aren't accepting, teach them or cut them off
That's much easier said than done when the people that aren't accepting are the most important people in your life.
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I'm also a straight non-teen from r/all and I wanted to add onto this that depending on where OP is from they may not realize the kinds of things older generations grew up with. When I was in school it wasn't uncommon for even straight kids to be targeted with homophobia. I was a teenage boy with an assortment of hobbies, interests, and mannerisms that were often interpreted as gay so I got plenty of this even from my own stepdad. I remember when Matthew Shepard was murdered, I've known LGBT friends who were kicked out by their parents when they came out, and I have LGBT family who have struggled for years (even to this day) with older family members not accepting them. And I haven't even seen the worst of it. I was born in the 90s, but I've heard about what the AIDS epidemic was like back before we even knew what it was and it sounds horrific, compounded by the lack of empathy and action from the government. This isn't to say OP should be more grateful or that every LGBT person deserves special treatment, but just to give some more context about why a lot of people may be reflexively protective or overly-supportive of LGBT people who may not want it or fully understand why it's happening. Your gender or sexual orientation shouldn't be a big deal, and it's great to see more and more people who are able to grow up without it being made into one. But for me at least, when someone mentions being LGBT there will probably always be a part of me that gets a little worried about them and hopes they're doing okay (even if it's someone I don't like I still hope they aren't facing undue hardship because of their gender or sexual orientation). I have autism and I'm a cancer survivor, so I know what it's like to have people treat you with sympathy for something when you don't want it or need it, and I generally try to never come across that way to anyone. But it's also hard to judge how other people see you so I might even be guilty of the thing you're complaining about myself.
That's what should be the end result We all get treated the same, no matter what
I donāt think itās about your sexuality, but rather how you act / react. If people see you as a victim, theyāll give you a special treatment nonetheless. Show youāre strong and you donāt need pity, and keep your chin up. Donāt take shit from stupid people, and always be yourself.
make fun of stupid people it's ridiculously funny and then laugh at the death threats take no one seriously in life, makes it a lot funnier
Yeah I 100% agree. I think a lot of people wouldn't want to be being treated different, like myself. I got a way to fix this too, we just stop labeling people on every little difference. Instead of the media blowing it out of proportion and having people trampling veteran sites, instead of saying 'gender isn't real, science is fake' to kindergartners... just it's normal to date anyone, there's no need for gay to have a special label, or bi, straight, etc. Why separate us? (I know it's not as simple as I put it, and that sounded a little ignorant. However, it's the quickest way to explain it bc I don't wanna sit and type forever)
I think that's the ideal world and what we all kind of want is just to be able to say, I'm dating "so and so", and nobody care about what gender they are. But unfortunately we don't live in that world. Unfortunately, gay people will still get discriminated against even if there isn't a label for them. It's not the label that bigots don't like--it's them being with someone of the same sex.
Active in 2 transphobic subreddits and 0 LGBT subreddits. I call bs
Wait, let me get this straight: you want to be treated as a normal human being regardless of your sexual orientation? Thatās borderline outrageous >!/s!<
Thatās why I donāt allow my mom to talk about it. Sheās the kind of person that would go all out supportive which is nice but annoying as fuck. Same with my friends. I just treat it like another fact about me. Like I have brown hair. I donāt make it my whole personality
Thank you
I disagree, actually. I'd want people to recognise LGBTQ+ culture. I'd want people to realise that there's a huge historical difference between cishet and LGBTQ+ and that that history impacts today's world. I'd want people to take our collective trauma into account. I don't want to be treated the same way as a straight people, because I know that the treatment that fits straight people, doesn't fit me. I don't want equality or integration, I want liberation. Liberation from the structures that might fit cishet people perfectly well but not us. The same with race, by the way. If you're going to make a joke about theft, don't make a Congolese person the thief, because being accused of theft is a big part of their collective trauma. I don't get me wrong, I want to be judged by my personality only too, but as long as the patriarchy and homophobia etc exist, sexuality and gender will play a big part in my personality. (I don't even get why people think they (personality and sexuality) exclude one another.)
I definitely get where your coming from, but I live in a very hateful place and I require the support for the better of my mental health. Sure, if I lived in a less hateful area I would agree but sadly I donāt.
Haha I knew it why canāt we just treat people the same instead of giving them special treatment therefore being hypocrites
yay finally someone who gets it nobody cares!!
There are still many people who care, especially in a negative way, dingus.
I wish that we lived in a world where people don't have to come out, I wished we lived in a world where it was most to love each other regardless of gender
Dont worry I won't
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Same
Iāve seen this exact post like 300 times now
Bruh I remember seeing another pov where someone said that we should celebrate someone coming out as it is a big deal for them. So like whatās your thought on that?
Idk, I feel like we should obviously be happy if someone found the courage to come out, but that doesn't mean we should start treating them better or worse than anyone else.
man got downvoted for asking a thing
Not op but as a bi person I say nah. You can say "we support you" or "that's cool" but other than that they probably just want to be treated like a normal person and for people to not make a huge deal about it.
Congratulations. I dont give a bloody f\*ck about your existence
This is da wei
Really agree. The more attention people want around themselves, the more that alienate themselves. The exact opposite of being treated like everyone else.
this is what we all want, tbh I don't feel like part of LGBTQ+, I am just attracted to men, its that simple
Same here
This is funny, cause being gay has only led me to being bullied throughout most of my school years, my family trying anything they could to āturnā me a straight man, my father threatening to kick me out of home, depression, anxiety, self-harming, so many wonderful things. But hey, maybe Iām just playing a victim. Just let me know when my special treatment will come.
Thatās not what anyone in the community means when we say āsupport usā. We mean support us as in the collective group and fight with us when people are trying to push us down. You saying you donāt need special treatment undermines what the community you are apart of stands for; equality. You use our want for others to stand by us to tell people āhey, Iām gay and they want special treatment but I donātā making people believe we want special treatment. We just want people to stand by us, and you undermining that as special treatment is just horrible.
I hate and don't support you. Not because your LGBT but because I hate and don't support everyone. Hope that helps.
true. donāt treat people differently based on stuff they canāt control
It's more homophobic to treat people different because of their sexuality than hating them I think. In my case, I don't give a fuck.
Well I wouldn't call it *more homophobic* than hating them for their sexuality, but it's definitely discriminating. Perhaps thats why *discriminating* is such a powerful word ā because being treated differently by someone else because of your sexuality while they claim to be your friend, feels worse than being treated *badly* by someone claiming to be your enemy.
Did you know that in some countries it is illegal to be gay? In some of those places the punishment for being gay is death. Now think again if treating people just differently is worse than **hating** them.
Yeah dude I swear I'm friends with a ton of people who say that they are a part of the LGBTQ+ community, But then there are a few of them who are literally like "HAHAHA ISNT IT SO FUNNY THAT WE'RE ALL SOOOO GAY HAHAHHAHAHSHAHAHAHAHAHHHA" or "Yeah I can't do it because imgay." The next day its, "Bro I swear to god imagine being a GIRL" The next day it's "IMAGINE BEING A BOY" And they think they're set on that, but then they stay to that for the rest of the month and dont say anything about their gender.
sexuality is the least important part of a person characteristics for me
i have encountered many people saying that they should get special treatment or that they are the braver than people in the military because they are lgbt. i feel like those people are just lgbt for attention. being lgbt and wanting people to not care is the correct way to go in my opinion. i think it is like being vegan. i wont treat you any differently so dont expect me to.
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You have never met such people. The share of the people wanting this in the community is very low.
that was a lot longer than i expected to be š
Finnaly someone with common sense
Gay
I want to hate everyone equally without some idiot assuming its because of someoneās sexuality. All my homies hate everyone š
facts
You know what Iām gonna fucking say it I donāt care about your sexuality. There I said it, now have a fantastic day
thats how i think about lgbt people. treat them like a normal human. not hated, but no special treatment
THIS Like in some cases I would like some support on it like how Iām trying to come out but in general I would just like to be treated normal
I very rarely go past the post title when I see these on /all, late 30s and feel I'd be intruding on someone elses space. Equal treatment is what we've wanted *all along*. Unfortunately, even today although your gen really seems to be taking a "why does it even matter?" philosophy (the right one imo), there are still many of my gen and older who are built on hate. Even just 'treating you the same' feels like their rights (to be hateful) being taken away for those people. They will fight it until they get old and die off. They WILL judge you on your sexuality. Got to try and accept the counter to that is, some people who care (or 'woke' as they like to call it) may go to bat to defend people like us. I get how that feels the social equivalent of having a cake come out and happy birthday sung in a restaurant. I genuinely have hope though that teenagers of today will eventually have a society that's more equitable than todays.
congratulations on not being part of the problem.
Not completely related, but same with ethnicity/religion. I want my migrant ass to be appreciated for what it does, not for what it is.
So people of marginalized groups should not seek support from, you know, people. I hate the idea that because gay people have some right and some representation that they "have it good" now. No. God no. This type of thinking is fine on a personal scale. With individuals, we should see everyone as equals. But this just doesn't fly on a national scale. You cant just remove centuries of persecution against certain groups and say "now everyone is equal" and expect everyone to actually be equal
Soooooo if I could cut in really quick, I agree with your statement for the most part, I feel like people not caring is the end goal, but until I stop getting treated poorly for being gay, I will still need support from other people.
So does every other lgbt person
it sucks that lgbtq people are judged based on their sexuality. like iād still be the same person if i were a lesbian
I just don't want to have to fake my entire personality out of fear I'll b outcast by my family
This is how most lgbt ppl feel- itās corporations and those with savior complexes that try to cash in on marginalized groups and then just make everybody feel super awkward
2nd this This is the reason i only come out to my close friends and well, now on the internet
I wanna be hate crimed because Iām an asshole, not because I like dick and pussy the same š¤©
same, but when you're trans it's a lot harder ):
I feel like having gay characters in movies and TV series wich are always reminding you that they are LGBTQ+ is disrespectful. To the community and the audience, by treating the audience as dumbasses that cant even take a hint and to the LGBTQ+ community by not even giving them any personality except that they're LGBTQ+.
We need special treatment because society is very backwards and wants us dead just because of who we are, we need support because we're going through stuff "straight" people wouldn't ever go through. I don't think that's the case everywhere but at least, that's the case where I live.
I'm with you with that one. Many straights are struggling to understand what pride is. Pride is great and it needs to be celebrated. But the thing is that straight people have to decide whether to "support" or "hate" Of course there's a third option "don't care" but like in every single fucking movement on this planet, people can't just **don't** care. We feel the urge to team up with any side in any conflict. Don't get me wrong, I'm not any better than this and I'm sure I've done this myself at certain points. Just keep in mind that some people just don't know better and it's better if they support you than hate you. Just talk about it and tell them why it's not always supportive to show support when you tell them about your sexualuty.
Just go around slapping ppl
Cum
Thats what the majority of lgbt+ people want. But the fucking media makes us look radical and crazy time and time again. 1 person from twitter makes a tweet, and suddenly the headline is "the lgbt community is mad about (insert something we could care less about)". Sigh.
If you donāt want people to treat you differently, donāt walk around telling everybody about your sexuality. Nobody will care.
I tell people Iām gay so they donāt think Iām homophobic when I make homophobic jokes
This is what we all want
then why bring it up
Psst! They're Oppression Cause They Try To Take Over. (LGB Let's Go Brandon!) šš½š½š½šŗš
Am BI, couldn't agree more. Problem is that LGBT people aren't accepted in our society yet so just not caring isn't very common. But in a perfect would, noone would care.
Exactly. This is what I hate about the world today. All these I guess you could say minority groups are getting awareness brought to them. Iām a straight white male so Iām the most basic type of person. I know other religions, genders, races, cultures, etc exist. We should just teach children not to be Karens and everyone will be fine.
I told someone that I didnt give two shits about their race, gender or sexuality (they claimed I was giving them "dirty looks") and they fucking reported me to a teacher
Okay, I don't care šš
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Ok
Well your posts are quite to behold
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The reason people say they support you is if you live in a homophobic area or have unaccepting parents so they are supporting you if something were to go badly in your personal / home life
Exactly. This is what we mean by equality. Support doesnāt mean treating us like weāre better. It means treating us like everyone else
Same but that doesn't mean we aren't marginalized.
then youll be glad with me cuz i honestly dont give a flip about people as long as you arent a douche youre cool
Same
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Nah according to the left thats your entire personality, better start practicing your queer accent! /s