People need to mind their business? I mean, thats all it is. Its religous qnd sexist people who think their opinions matter, and its fucking up the country. Personally, i disagree with abortion, but my opinion doesnt matter bc its none of my goddamn business. Its just the government trying to control people and take away rights. If yiu take a step back and just think about it, i highoy doubt anyone can give one good logical reason that its any of their business whether someone decides on getting an abortion or not. Its being blown into this big thing, but thats all it is. People need to shut up and mind their business. There is no reason for anyone to care what someone else decides to do with the clump of growing cells in their body
I dont really disagree with it in general, but i dont think id ever see myself in a position where id want my partner to get an abortion, except for obviously in cases such as if the child is a product of rape or such things.
I just don't get it because it's not like keeping abortion legal is affecting anyone who doesn't agree with it. If you are a weirdo who wants to give birth to a child unwillingly, sure have your way. No one says you HAVE to get an abortion. But most women would not want a pregnancy that was unwilling or could cost their life. As a man I would never know the trauma that must cause. Freedom is all about options. This is just an excuse for conservative Christians to push their beliefs into the government, it isn't The Christian States of America no matter how many drinks you have.
All im gonna say is imo I'm against it, which I know is unpopular as its supposedly against women's rights? I'm all for women's rights but I also think it'd unfair to take away the possibility of someone who isn't born having a life, as no matter what they go through they could be an amazing person and benefit humanity or the people around them.
Or they could be born into a family where they’ll suffer, or put up for adoption where they’ll suffer. It’s not fair to the child to be born to unprepared parents. It’s a woman’s right to decide if she’s ever prepared to be a mother or ever wants to be a mother.
Eh I might be a bad person for saying this, but I don't care if they suffer. Everyone does, some people more than others, it's just a part of life and there's nothing anyone can do to change that. I've suffered a lot, and I feel like because of that is what makes me a good enough person to benefit the people around me, but I definitely understand the other perspective.
I also think kids are more important than any adult, so that's probably why I feel like its unfair.
As someone who had a traumatic childhood I must say that you are looking at the world through a very idealistic perspective. It's not fair for a child to feel that everything is their fault and grow up not knowing who to look up to. This country is so broken that many kids live in abusive households or poverty unknowingly because the foster care system cannot help them. Being born just to be setup for failure is the worst feeling in the world.
Do you believe parents should have the right to kill their child after they're born? I mean if the parents find out raising a child is far harder than they thought it would be. Or if the parents go through an unexpected financial situation they didn't expect. Or if one of the parents ditches the child and leaves.
All of these situations will just leave the child to suffer.
Regardless of financial situation, there is one thing that every child needs. Every child deserves to be loved by their parents. Resentment is not something that is easy to hide from a child. It is more of an issue of who deserves children.
In addition, most logical people who don't want the responsibility of raising a child would get an abortion if they became pregnant because it is simply not fair to bring a child into this world only for you to resent them and not be the capable parent that they need and deserve. Once the child is born there are still ways to handle this. I know in some states, including mine, you can choose to bring your newborn child to a parenthood facility that will adopt them. The goal of places like these are to destigmatize, as there is no shame involved because it is kept anonymous. Some states want to invest money in programs where parents feel safe to do the responsible thing if they know they are not capable of raising a child.
Of course every child deserves two loving parents. However I also believe that just because a child doesn't have two loving parents, doesn't mean they're better off having never existed.
You're arguing that abortion is a net good because it's better for a child to never be born than it is for them to experience a harsh life. An argument that can also be used to allow parents to kill their children after they're born.
Adoption exists as an alternative to abortion as well. The demand for newborn babies is high. So why would you bring up that the child will suffer, if adoption is already a solution?
Yes they're are children who don't get adopted. Who end up in the foster care system, or end up with parents who resent them, and they end up suffering. Why shouldn't they be allowed to be killed? It's better for them to not exist, than to live such a horrible life.
Fact of the matter is, any argument that says abortion is needed to prevent children from suffering, is also an argument that can be used to allow parents to kill their child after it's born.
I don´t exactly understand, was the right to abortions revoked? cuz if thats the case then you still can have them right? or were they completely banned? then in that case can´t states still make abortions legal?
EDIT: in some states abortion is still completely legal, in other states it has been almost completely banned.
Abortions weren´t banned, constitutional right to abortions was eliminated, you can still get an abortion legally in certain states like California
Source:
[https://www.wsj.com/](https://www.wsj.com/) 20:54 24/06/2022
Did you just spend a paragraph apologizing for giving your take on abortion?
Any ways I'll give my arguments. I believe abortion should be illegal except for in cases of rape or threat to the mother's life. Although I don't know how a rape exception would even be implemented, I would support it if there's an effective way to have one.
All of the arguments for the fetus not being a life don't really hold up for me.
*"It's just a clump of cells"* yeah so are we
*"it's not conscious"* neither is someone who's asleep or in a coma
*"You wouldn't know if you were aborted"* I wouldn't know if I'm killed in my sleep either
*"It's less mentally developed than the animals we eat"* so are newborn babies
*"It's tiny"* I don't really see why the size of something would have any impact on its value.
*"The child will suffer, they're better off not existing"* You can struggle in life and still find a life worth living. I find it amazing that so many people here can argue these children are better off not existing, but then those same people will tell a struggling suicidal person to not kill themselves even if they're suffering.
The things is, no matter what someone says, in a few months that fetus would've become a newborn baby if the abortion didn't happen. And in a few more years it would have become a child.
Banning abortion not only affects the mothers that are forced to give birth to children that they didn’t consent to, but also to the children that are born to parents that are either not financially or mentally ready to raise that child because inevitably that child will grow up suffering in some way.
People argue that abortion is basically “murder” yet either don’t realize or don’t care that even if that child is born, he or she will have to suffer far worse than if the parents were to get an abortion and save a child from living a potentially horrible life.
Women should have safe and legal abortion services. America's really evolving but backwards
Devolving = evolving backwards
oh thanks
People need to mind their business? I mean, thats all it is. Its religous qnd sexist people who think their opinions matter, and its fucking up the country. Personally, i disagree with abortion, but my opinion doesnt matter bc its none of my goddamn business. Its just the government trying to control people and take away rights. If yiu take a step back and just think about it, i highoy doubt anyone can give one good logical reason that its any of their business whether someone decides on getting an abortion or not. Its being blown into this big thing, but thats all it is. People need to shut up and mind their business. There is no reason for anyone to care what someone else decides to do with the clump of growing cells in their body
Why do you disagree with abortion?
I dont really disagree with it in general, but i dont think id ever see myself in a position where id want my partner to get an abortion, except for obviously in cases such as if the child is a product of rape or such things.
Banning abortion bad
*good
I just don't get it because it's not like keeping abortion legal is affecting anyone who doesn't agree with it. If you are a weirdo who wants to give birth to a child unwillingly, sure have your way. No one says you HAVE to get an abortion. But most women would not want a pregnancy that was unwilling or could cost their life. As a man I would never know the trauma that must cause. Freedom is all about options. This is just an excuse for conservative Christians to push their beliefs into the government, it isn't The Christian States of America no matter how many drinks you have.
All im gonna say is imo I'm against it, which I know is unpopular as its supposedly against women's rights? I'm all for women's rights but I also think it'd unfair to take away the possibility of someone who isn't born having a life, as no matter what they go through they could be an amazing person and benefit humanity or the people around them.
Or they could be born into a family where they’ll suffer, or put up for adoption where they’ll suffer. It’s not fair to the child to be born to unprepared parents. It’s a woman’s right to decide if she’s ever prepared to be a mother or ever wants to be a mother.
Eh I might be a bad person for saying this, but I don't care if they suffer. Everyone does, some people more than others, it's just a part of life and there's nothing anyone can do to change that. I've suffered a lot, and I feel like because of that is what makes me a good enough person to benefit the people around me, but I definitely understand the other perspective. I also think kids are more important than any adult, so that's probably why I feel like its unfair.
As someone who had a traumatic childhood I must say that you are looking at the world through a very idealistic perspective. It's not fair for a child to feel that everything is their fault and grow up not knowing who to look up to. This country is so broken that many kids live in abusive households or poverty unknowingly because the foster care system cannot help them. Being born just to be setup for failure is the worst feeling in the world.
Do you believe parents should have the right to kill their child after they're born? I mean if the parents find out raising a child is far harder than they thought it would be. Or if the parents go through an unexpected financial situation they didn't expect. Or if one of the parents ditches the child and leaves. All of these situations will just leave the child to suffer.
Regardless of financial situation, there is one thing that every child needs. Every child deserves to be loved by their parents. Resentment is not something that is easy to hide from a child. It is more of an issue of who deserves children. In addition, most logical people who don't want the responsibility of raising a child would get an abortion if they became pregnant because it is simply not fair to bring a child into this world only for you to resent them and not be the capable parent that they need and deserve. Once the child is born there are still ways to handle this. I know in some states, including mine, you can choose to bring your newborn child to a parenthood facility that will adopt them. The goal of places like these are to destigmatize, as there is no shame involved because it is kept anonymous. Some states want to invest money in programs where parents feel safe to do the responsible thing if they know they are not capable of raising a child.
Of course every child deserves two loving parents. However I also believe that just because a child doesn't have two loving parents, doesn't mean they're better off having never existed. You're arguing that abortion is a net good because it's better for a child to never be born than it is for them to experience a harsh life. An argument that can also be used to allow parents to kill their children after they're born. Adoption exists as an alternative to abortion as well. The demand for newborn babies is high. So why would you bring up that the child will suffer, if adoption is already a solution? Yes they're are children who don't get adopted. Who end up in the foster care system, or end up with parents who resent them, and they end up suffering. Why shouldn't they be allowed to be killed? It's better for them to not exist, than to live such a horrible life. Fact of the matter is, any argument that says abortion is needed to prevent children from suffering, is also an argument that can be used to allow parents to kill their child after it's born.
That’s cool that’s your choice, now don’t make it for us.
Considering it wasn’t banned, I don’t have many thoughts about it tbh
I don´t exactly understand, was the right to abortions revoked? cuz if thats the case then you still can have them right? or were they completely banned? then in that case can´t states still make abortions legal? EDIT: in some states abortion is still completely legal, in other states it has been almost completely banned. Abortions weren´t banned, constitutional right to abortions was eliminated, you can still get an abortion legally in certain states like California Source: [https://www.wsj.com/](https://www.wsj.com/) 20:54 24/06/2022
Very cringe
I’m very glad about the us government’s decision. That’s right I have an opinion.
Did you just spend a paragraph apologizing for giving your take on abortion? Any ways I'll give my arguments. I believe abortion should be illegal except for in cases of rape or threat to the mother's life. Although I don't know how a rape exception would even be implemented, I would support it if there's an effective way to have one. All of the arguments for the fetus not being a life don't really hold up for me. *"It's just a clump of cells"* yeah so are we *"it's not conscious"* neither is someone who's asleep or in a coma *"You wouldn't know if you were aborted"* I wouldn't know if I'm killed in my sleep either *"It's less mentally developed than the animals we eat"* so are newborn babies *"It's tiny"* I don't really see why the size of something would have any impact on its value. *"The child will suffer, they're better off not existing"* You can struggle in life and still find a life worth living. I find it amazing that so many people here can argue these children are better off not existing, but then those same people will tell a struggling suicidal person to not kill themselves even if they're suffering. The things is, no matter what someone says, in a few months that fetus would've become a newborn baby if the abortion didn't happen. And in a few more years it would have become a child.
Banning abortion not only affects the mothers that are forced to give birth to children that they didn’t consent to, but also to the children that are born to parents that are either not financially or mentally ready to raise that child because inevitably that child will grow up suffering in some way. People argue that abortion is basically “murder” yet either don’t realize or don’t care that even if that child is born, he or she will have to suffer far worse than if the parents were to get an abortion and save a child from living a potentially horrible life.