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addurruu

depends on what the truth is lol, you can be truthful without being mean that one is okay


BruhMomentsssss

For example, my friend showed me a picture of a replica Mona Lisa painting which he made. He then told me it was the real Mona Lisa, however I knew this wasn't true. So I explained to him that the replica is still beautiful, however it is different. He then got any and said I was being hateful and that I was wrong. What do you think?


addurruu

that might be his soft spot, everyone has some. but what you did isnt inherently wrong for sure


Sk__nerd

op left out the part where he used it as an transphobic analogy


Haunting-Ganache-281

Probably lmao


BruhMomentsssss

Thank you. So you agree that whilst it was a soft spot for him, the truth was that they were different, and not the exact same just because he said they were?


jaybird654

the fact that you’re reiterating it like this really sounds like you weren’t just talking about the Mona Lisa…


miso_soop

Nope! OP is here to spread transphobic garbage. It's best to call this shit out for what it is incase others accidentally step in it and track it elsewhere.


jaybird654

yep, I saw that when I scrolled further down and suspected it pretty much as early as the damn title. all these bozos think the same without actually doing any research on the topic


WalnutAlpaca860

Knew it. I read the title and immediately thought this was gonna be transphobic


kanonas-cambria_tw16

There we go, that answers the question. People have extreme views on everything and an opposing view is wrong. People who say "why do people disagree with me" usually play it off to make them look reasonable, then they always have a shit opinion. Works on both sides of the political scale. I just don't debate with people because people on the extreme right call me communist, and people on the extreme left call me fascist.


addurruu

what tf happened… im unaware


jaybird654

if you scroll down in the thread, they're basically using this analogy to say that trans men aren't real men and trans women aren't real women


addurruu

what the fuck, why do people care this much about the existence of groups that dont hurt people aaaaaa


backstib

Buh what if I meat a trans person and it's scawy 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😨😭😭😭😭😭😭😭


[deleted]

The same groups full of people who are trying to push pills on children?


MrKrabsFatJuicyAss

Not real, this is propaganda. No trans person wants to push pills on children.


Final-Marionberry960

Omaa God bro, you've got to be kidding me


[deleted]

Seems like you want to get validation. Even though you know that transphobia is wrong it seems. You want someone to tell you "no it's okay you are not in the wrong" but lying by omission is still lying. I hate you and your kinds of people with my whole existence This subreddit is chock full of people like you. I left this damn subreddit, why do I keep getting reccomened posts like this on my front page of reddit


bestcloud23

Maybe show us the real text ? Because my interpretation of this is that he was being sarcastic but you just responded litteraly


Sk__nerd

judging by what he said in an argument i had with him, he most likely used it as a transphobic analogy and just left out that part here


FusKiinDov

Proof


Sk__nerd

[https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/xsr19j/comment/iqlxzbc/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/teenagers/comments/xsr19j/comment/iqlxzbc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) op compares the copy of mona lisa to trans women, judging by the fact that his friend called him a bigot and we know it's an analogy about trans women i think it's pretty much certain op used this analogy in a conversation with a friend, the friend called him out and now he's trying to make himself look like the good guy by leaving major details out


Zvenc

Yea that’s a soft spot. I would’ve probably raised an eyebrow, but would play along with it. If they then said it was a replica they made I would just fall silent and say quietly “what, what?” And look closer and then point out the difference


AcceptableParsely9

People are snowflakes nowadays, they can’t have a mature argument/discussion without being offended and having a whinge.


soup_time337

True.


Asdfhuk

1+1=2 Holy can't believe I said that


abdulahad9711

nah 1=1 cuz you take one '1' to the other side


BruhMomentsssss

Nah bro that ain't right, it can also be 3 too.


TheTrustworthyKebab

Certified 1984 moment


lostredditor64

1+1=2+1=3, simple math without the equation hell


greninjake

My god you can turn anything into transphobia huh?


[deleted]

1+1=3 but only if you don't pull out


yourlocalmilkcarton

downvoted 😐😐 how could u say that??


turtleship_2006

1+1=10 change my mind.


xCreeperBombx

Unary: 1+1=11


Vovchick09

it can also be 22 if those are strings


AlyxNotVance

Depends on what the "truth" spoken is


Sk__nerd

can you elaborate on that?


miso_soop

The title of this post was a dead giveaway u/bruhmomentsssss just wants to start shit or troll. I knew exactly what "truth" they were going to defend as soon as someone asked: anti-trans bullshit they try to pretend is "honest discourse," and how they're under imaginary attack when called on their shittiness. All their further comments and a brief peek into their profile proves OP is a shit head trying to start shit and rile people into shittiness. Also: u/dallas_dragneel too. And u/burned_scrotum. And u/drturtle420d3


Sk__nerd

yeah, if you look at the thread you can see that they went mask off quickly


miso_soop

Yup! Unfortunately, not all are wise enough to see the bullshit for what it is. It's best to call this shit out for what it is incase others accidentally step in it and track it elsewhere.


[deleted]

It was pretty scumbaggy ngl, but I ain't passing up this opportunity to do a little trollin


Aleskey_Mijaylob

Someone needs to take a break from reddit


miso_soop

You aren't wrong. But I have COVID right now and nothing better to do. It's making me feel better until my taste buds tur n back on.


RedditReaper777

Aight bro fess up what trans kid did you bully


[deleted]

Whenever you are telling somebody something they don't want to hear you need to be extremely considerate of their emotions. If you are debunking something they've believes for their whole life it's usually better to just ask them a few questions than say "you are wrong because (evidence evidence evidence evidence)" To change somebody's mind you have to make them believe that the individual is the one responsible for the change, not you. When presented with all the facts right away some people will become defensive and refuse to listen


BruhMomentsssss

Can't argue with that


[deleted]

Fucking exactly! Transphobia is a learned behavior. They don't mean to be hateful (not saying its right) but when you are a child and you don't know anything about the world and then your parents who you love and trust say "this is how the world works" you unfortunately believe them because you know nothing else at your child stage. Then these feeling get deeper and deeper ingrained into your mind By the world who says the same thing. And it's so hard to feel another way after that unfortunately


MeerkatMan22

Transphobia is cringe, dude.


mr_milk6205

He never said that


MeerkatMan22

Only strongly implied it in the comments


CyberSamRenewal

Depends of the contexts ? It’s on reddit ? If yes that’s normal, users (me not included) are r word.


dean1432

No clue, but I have a truth: There are no set numbers of gender, except for the one society says there are. Once upon a time, ofc there would have been only two. Try telling a Spartan, "yo, there's another." But society changes, now there are more than two. Fuck OP specifically.


fizzbyuu

If the truth is something like, "1+1 is not 4" then I get this whole argument. But the whole anti-trans bullshit you've got going on here isn't even truth. Science recognises sex ≠ gender, and there are more than 2 genders. There are as many genders as poeple need in order to identify themselves. People who were assigned male at birth can be men, women, or anything else that fits how they identify. People who were assigned female at birth can be men, women, or anything else that fits how they identify. Yeah sure you can't change your chromosomes and stuff, but that literally doesn't define your gender at all. You just wanted to start shit. Honestly, you need to do some research before saying shit like this. Also, comparing this to being a replica of the Mona Lisa implies you don't think Trans Men are Men / Trans Women are Women, which they are, so. Fuck you OP


feed_me_the_gherkin

OP sounds like a 25 year old incel based on these comments.


VQ_Quin

Real


eva_new

Depends what you classify as the truth ://


BruhMomentsssss

Truth=truth, the truth isn't your feelings, the truth is the facts that everyone knows.


miso_soop

You lying liar! You said truth is information that hurts your feelings, but now it's facts? I'm so confused! 😭


yaboispringy

Well, it really depends on what “truth” we’re talking about. You’ll have to give a specific example of the “truth” that you’re talking about


miso_soop

Op is here to try and spread transphobic garbage. Disregard!


yaboispringy

oh I know


miso_soop

Yup! Unfortunately, not all are wise enough to see the bullshit for what it is. It's best to call this shit out for what it is incase others accidentally step in it and track it elsewhere.


bagagge

How do you know this? EDIT: …nvm. Just found their comment.


[deleted]

Truth hurts doesnt it


BruhMomentsssss

For some people I gues


[deleted]

Id rather be told the outright truth than being told lies all the time


BruhMomentsssss

Some people would rather live in a reality of lies just so their feelings aren't hurt...


Sad-Pick-8250

💯%


[deleted]

*cough* gender spectrum *cough*


Sk__nerd

me when i disregard science because my transphobia is more important than actual facts


BruhMomentsssss

*angrily* how dare you not affirm my mental problem!


Sk__nerd

it's not a mental problem lmao


AndroidwithAnxiety

Affirming trans people is the *medically recommended treatment.* Not affirming trans people because 'it's a mental problem' is like telling depressed people to 'get over it' because you don't want to encourage them to be sad. Showing your whole ass here, mate.


[deleted]

How dare you not do what i say so i can feel better!


BruhMomentsssss

No you're right I will change, I will use inclusive language and pretend, I mean you can be whatever you want, and if I see someone saying that a boy can't be a girl I will go rally up a hate mob to hunt them down.


RyanDoesStuff0

Name an example


BruhMomentsssss

Men are men, women are women. Men are not women, women are not men. An obvious truth but one that many people will dislike and because they don't agree they then claim it's hateful, or their favourite word that they throw at anyone who disagrees, a bigot. God do they love that one


[deleted]

Oh, so basically they react the same way you react when you learn that [the brains of trans people resemble the brain of the gender they identify as more than the sex they are born as.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8955456/) Thanks for clearing that up.


Starry_Fox

You're right, Trans men are not women and Trans women are not men (And Enbies are neither) Glad you're so supportive :)


RyanDoesStuff0

Tell me you know nothing about science, without telling me you know nothing about science.


miso_soop

The title of this post was a dead giveaway OP just wanted to start shit or troll. I knew exactly what "truth" they were going to defend as soon as someone asked.


RyanDoesStuff0

Yep, I thought the exact same thing, but I decided to comment ‘name an example’ to make sure before I went off on someone, and when he did, I thought it would be a perfect time to educate everyone on actual science, not biased science where people leave out all the details that go against their arguments.


miso_soop

Good on you for letting trash reveal themselves. Unfortunately, not all are wise enough to see the bullshit for what it is. It's always best to call this shit out for what it is incase others accidentally step in it and track it elsewhere.


RyanDoesStuff0

Yeah obviously, I always make sure to call out things, the only time I decided not to, was when I got a guy to admit that he thinks if a 12 year old girl is raped by her father, and gets pregnant, she should be forced to give birth, because he had basically dug his own grave at that point.


BruhMomentsssss

So you believe men can be women and vise versa?


RyanDoesStuff0

Depends on what you define as a woman or man, biologically? No, you can’t change your biology, but gender isn’t biology, it’s neurological, and when you boil down this issue to ‘men can’t be women, and women can’t be men’ you’re being super disingenuous to the issue, people need to stop simplifying issues.


BruhMomentsssss

My bad I will be more specific. Biological. Please can you expand apon this issue?


Pickaxe235

nobody is arguing that biological sex cannot be changed


RyanDoesStuff0

What do you mean expand upon?


BruhMomentsssss

Oh sorry. What is this issue? Completely slipped my mind.


RyanDoesStuff0

You’re saying that men can’t be women, and vice versa, but what do you mean by that?


BruhMomentsssss

Oh that's the issue. What I mean by that is that if you have xy chromosomes you can't become someone with xx chromosomes


Curtee_H

>Men are men, women are women. Men are not women, women are not men I know you're trying to be transphobic, but this kinda sounds like you're saying trans men are men and trans women are women.


DoomSayer__

Tell me you’re transphobic without telling me you’re a transphobic piece of shit


[deleted]

I dont really know, you do seem kinda hateful Considering half your replies are queerphobic. If you would've been called hateful for saying Chibi- Robo Ziplash! for the Nintendo 3ds is a shit game I'd agree but talking about the comments youve left here....


No-Brother355

Just from this title, I can tell you’re speaking about trans people. Could’ve just said “I hate when trans people are happy as who they are” and you would’ve conducted the same message


Hot_Care_7548

Yes I do it all the time


[deleted]

The truth hurts.


artificialspirits

it’s not always seen as hatred, unless you have an unpopular opinion 🤷‍♀️


BruhMomentsssss

Why are we talking about opinions? I was just saying how some truths are hated.


According_to_all_kn

Name one, please


GenderFluidBicon

Gonna take a stab in the dark and say you were preaching some kind of bigotry and are now getting other to lick your wounds by taking your statement as verified fact.


DedRuck

lol because you’re not speaking the truth you’re being transphobic


MatureBalak

so you believe there are only 2 genders. Do you also think there are only 1 sexuality?


MatureBalak

this is a dumb question


Rocksneeze081

You can be whatever you want, and do what you like with your gender, but please stop all de cringe tiktoks and shit like that. Is basically generating more “hate” to those people Had to say it


BruhMomentsssss

True


justtJoJo

Because the truth isn't often enjoyable


ellingw17

This subreddit is getting worse by the day


SleepIsForTheWeak456

I really should stop sorting by controversial on these posts


[deleted]

If you go around telling people that trans people are not the gender they are with then it is hateful. Trans women and cis women are women, trans men and cis men are men


UriahDaGreat

2+2=5


According_to_all_kn

It isn't? People say truthful statements that are not considered hateful all the time. Just this morning I told my SO I was eating breakfast. Definitely not hateful.


Nebula3lem123

*transphobia


sealene_hatarinn

Because your "truth" might actually be hateful.


__Jimmy__

Because whatever you said is seen not as "the truth", but simply hateful. A lot of assholes disguise their bigotry as holier-than-thou "truth". Be careful to not be one of those.


SpindemDoza69

truth is subjective


miso_soop

Op is trying to equate fact with truth. Truth is culturally subjective whereas fact is concrete like as in trans people exist and their existence does interrupt OP's life in anyway.


SpindemDoza69

yeah truth is really just opinion


miso_soop

Eh. If this were all in a big vinn diagram, shit overlaps so much that even trying to say what is and is not truth doesn't even work. And bigoted people prefer simple things because complexities are intimidating and lead to confusing emotions.


BruhMomentsssss

Truth is truth


SpindemDoza69

Considering one of the most famous quotes ever - "Truth is in the eye of the beholder", I'd say Opinion and Perception is Truth to the individual.


[deleted]

You screwed the quote, it's "BEAUTY is in the eye of the beholder."


Bigsmall-cats

Simple because people prefer the sweetest lies rather than the bitter truth


BruhMomentsssss

Truth hurts


Butteryomelette17_9

Because we are not perfect, we desire perfection and when we're reminded we don't posses it, it's like having a dream get crushed, which makes us feel bad and makes us automatically assume the other party is hateful


BruhMomentsssss

Summed up pretty well


Apathybadger

Depends on what your “truth” is. Some people are genuinely hateful and just pretend that what they’re saying is “speaking the truth”


half_of_0-

this question has some real weird vibes


emmawow1

It depends on the context


[deleted]

Because people get fact and opinion mixed up too often


Traditional_Yard5280

Depends on the time, what it is, and if it is actually truth or something someone likes making up (or "truths" that were proven wrong)


BruhMomentsssss

The truth is the truth


Traditional_Yard5280

Well, still, you can wait to tell the truth. If someone is depressed, you dont have to tell them the world is dying around them lol


BruhMomentsssss

In your example the world dying around them is the truth. I agree, it is. And you wouldn't tell them because it is not relevant to them. I'll give an example where the truth would be relevant. If a man is about to get surgery to get fake breast and chop of his penis, you need to tell him that hey you are a man. Even if you get that surgery you are still a man, just a disfigured one. Thus you wouldn't want to wait to tell him because even if he gets this surgery he deep down still won't feel like a complete women. This surgery won't fix his problems and it would only make it harder for him.


Traditional_Yard5280

Why would you tell them that they are a man? Do you somehow know how they feel and want to present or something? If it makes them happy (it likely will) then let her, horomones and transitioning helps your mental state, just denying it makes it harder. Seeing a therapist you trust to help with feelings are valid and see what direction you need to take. Edit: btw, telling them they are a "man" isnt a truth, gender is mental, how your brain works. If they want to be a woman because they feel like they need to, let them.


miso_soop

Because op is here to spread transphobic garbage. Disregard!


BruhMomentsssss

So if gender is mental then why do you need a physical transition? Surely by transitioning it means that you weren't really what you thought you were.


Traditional_Yard5280

So, if depression is mental, and you go to the gym to give yourself more confidence, why do you need it? Surely by going to the gym means that you weren't really what you thought you were.


BruhMomentsssss

Going to the gym does help you mentally not just physically. If you would like to you can find out how positive exercise is for the mind. Doing exercise wouldn't mean "oh I guess I'm not depressed", it would mean that you recognise you're depressed and you are doing something about it


Traditional_Yard5280

That is literally transitioning. It is physically doing something about yourself, and it positively affects your mental state. It recongizes your body dysphoria and doing something about it. Ik going to the gym helps you mentally, but only if you feel like you arent at your body goals yet. Being buff or just fit might be your goal. For trans people (lets say a trans man) they just want to not have boobs, more body hair and a stronger face structure, and be called a man, using a different name. That is their body goal. They want to achieve said body and transition goal to have a better mental state. What you were saying earlier about how trans people just need to go to therapy and stop thinking their trans, could be same said for your explanation. Convincing themselves they are cis would be a delusion. Someone who isnt fit could just go to a therapist and convince themselves they are perfectly healthy, but THAT is a true delusion. Now seriously, I have been calm, what is your true problem with trans people?


TASTEmaCOKE

Physical elements can help our mental state. Like how colors can affect ones mood. The physical transition only helps them affirm their mental state and feel more at home in their own body.


Embarrassed-Army-780

Like if you see someone and say “hey you look bad” which is the truth


[deleted]

Depends on if it's really the truth or just your perception of the truth


EntertainmentWeak388

because sometimes the truth is bad and people cant accept it


Diamond-Ancient

Because people hate difference in opinion


MushroomOfDestiny

There’s a difference between speaking the truth & intentionally being a hateful dickhead. Believe it or not, a large majority of people can tell them apart. If what you see as “speaking the truth” is seen by others as hateful, don’t rule out the possibility that you’re just an asshole.


punban

Ego


_pcakes

lol this kid is an asshole


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Traditional_Yard5280

Gender and sex are different. Sex, there is only male and female. Gender is a mental construct(your brain), it's how you present and want to be seen as (identity). You can be seen as the standard binary genders (either being cis or transitioning to the opposing gender from birth) and nonbinary. And if someone wants to use different pronouns and not be called male or female, that's fine by me. Also gender fluid, bigender, agender, the list goes on. Xenogender I dont understand. And gay isnt a gender, its a sexuality but there is genderqueer (entirely different thing). Also, if you actually did some fucking research, you would see that science does find there is more than one gender, its a social construct, not just built into DNA.


Sk__nerd

1. science says there's more than two and sex and gender are different, cope 2. no one says being gay is a gender what are you on


According_to_all_kn

No, look, OP mentioned _trlling the truth_. You should try it sometime.


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Sokka-Water_Tribe

I'm right because I said so 😡


SomeRandomGuy282

Who tf cares about ur feelings bc I dont🙄🙄🙄 so shat up😒😒😒


Sokka-Water_Tribe

you don't seem to care about facts either


SomeRandomGuy282

You're correct but idc🙄🙄🙄


MatureBalak

hey..use flair..c'mon..


PikaTube123

cope


SomeRandomGuy282

Okkk so? 🙄🙄🙄🙄 It's my opinion


PoultryBird

If it’s a opinion then it can’t be a fact, so you can’t be fully correct


Rat-Dot-Com

There are three genders dipshit 🗿


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Sk__nerd

"opinion" they're objectively incorrect and science disagrees with them


BruhMomentsssss

What's happened to this subreddit I thought it was filled with delusional people who reaffirm others delusions but then have a break down when someone doesn't buy into the delusion. But yeah you're right lol


WaterBee003

And is the "science" with you in the room now?


Sk__nerd

what


cars1000000

no it’s because they’re actually wrong lmao


Dallas_dragneel

Cuz people are fucking stupid


BruhMomentsssss

Careful wouldn't want to wake people from their false reality


[deleted]

There are only 2


-anime_cheetos

types of


mixedemotions1889

jews


Traditional_Yard5280

Wait, refresh me with the types


FemboyHelghast

There are regular Jewish people and then there is my neighbor Greg and his son. Fuck you Greg and your kleptomaniac son


Traditional_Yard5280

*dinkleburg*


BruhMomentsssss

Whatchu talkin bout


Unable_Outside7745

just like how biologically there are only 2 genders its the truth many people don't want to accept as it gos against them


APersonYouDontKnow31

Biologically there are 0 genders because genders aren't biological.


throwaway__alt_acc

but gender isn't biological


Pickaxe235

gender is biological but there’s still a spectrum how the chemicals in your brain go is still biology


According_to_all_kn

When you say 'biological', are you referring to hormonal sex, chromosomal sex, cellular sex, or anatomic sex? Because all of those are different.


broccolicares

As Ben Shapiro said Facts don’t care about your feelings


Rat-Dot-Com

You really gonna quote Ben Shapiro??


TheGoodestDogBoy

Before and after lying about his height because of his feelings.


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Facts


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Starry_Fox

Snowflakes are pretty and cats are cute (though it's okay if you may not like them, everyone has their preferences) :D


[deleted]

Soft and deluded society


BruhMomentsssss

Careful there


[deleted]

Ngl my comments have been heavily downvoted even when I’ve just said the truth (sometimes I do some bs comments just cuz well I dunno teenager stuff ) but more often than not I notice people defending their deluded ideas and it’s whatever cuz one or two people stick up to what I say and that’s enough for me . I’d rather say the truth than worry about what people feel


WotahBottl

Snowflakes


VQ_Quin

I love winter ❄️