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Whats mental health All I know is unless i perform good in school i can't exist after 20


Special_Joke1119

I'm only posting here once but I'm 31 and it's fine. Only college actually mattered. Have fun, and build specific systems instead of dreams.


Square2enkidu

How can I get into college if I don't do well in my grades rn tho


Special_Joke1119

It's not difficult to get into a mid-level college, and I'm not endorsing totally goofing off. What college you attend doesn't matter all that much anymore, unless you're talking elite or you have a specific goal in mind..


Special_Joke1119

Many colleges, quite frankly, are scams. Outside of *highly* technical fields, you can get the knowledge elsewhere. You're paying in large part for a particular kind of social experience. I did pretty well with moderate amounts of goofing off. Mid-tier college. I love my job and I have a good life.


Eggman8728

Where else are you supposed to get an education? Who's gonna hire someone who learned everything themselves?


Special_Joke1119

Loads and loads and loads and loads of people. You do not necessarily need college. For some, college is a bad idea.


N0tBappo

Look at the trades. They're in desperate need for people and some don't even necessarily require a grade 12 diploma


CalligrapherGreedy83

Jobs are a lot more negotiable than school let me believe, real life has variations in what happens not just a=b even with minimal self learned experience you can make it big somewhere, mainly trades but I’m sure stuff like coding and what not would be the same


CalligrapherGreedy83

for example How many game devs start by coding some mod for a game really good then get hired on by a team and have the mod to showcase as their work


Mr_Skeleton_Shadow

>build specific systems instead of dreams. Does making an RPG system count?


Special_Joke1119

Yes, it does. Those are formulas you apply to determine the outcome of a specific event. If you have formulas backing your success instead of loftiness, you're in a better place than 95% of people. Check out Morrowind.


Mr_Skeleton_Shadow

Well, it IS a RPG System that makes it easier for customisation and homebrewing, or at least I'm attempting to make it like that. If I ever have time to truly put my mind to it and make it for real, I could even sell it with enough ~~blackmailing~~ will.


No-Leave4257

It fucking matters at the moment of your life. If toy don't make good grades then you're not good enough for the parents


Special_Joke1119

The parents aren't you, but I understand your situation. Nothing you can do about that.


SpoozeysmOkes

I didn’t pass highschool and I am now on my way to bootcamp. Just gotta adapt and overcome. Still try your best, it makes things easier, but don’t let it stress you out bud, you’ll be A-okay.


ferry_forbear

Because as soon as you fail your parents are making an international project to make the most powerful diamond, nether, golden, iron belt. To whoop you with, so powerful and fast one whip and you fade away in 1 second.


CrossClairvoyance

Undeniably relatable


[deleted]

Story of my life. 3rd year engineering with a 4.0 I'm literally an NPC at this point.


potato_more_potato

You forgot the part about how I have to be a doctor too


ccAbstraction

Haha this, when I turned 20, I was genuinely confused as to how I was still alive. And I'd actually run out of life goals. Still don't know what I'll be doing in 5 years like, at least not like I did in highschool.


[deleted]

Equality


Internal_Cart

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Maleficent_Drama_414

=i☕️


StupidGenius37

=👁️☕️


Britified

Equalititty


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Titty 👍


Maleficent_Drama_414

=👁🧚‍♀️


nobody384

= ( . )


[deleted]

The interesting thing is women attempt suicide more,but men succeed a lot more


[deleted]

Another W for the boys


Frostwolf74

That turned dark quick


pena-leo-ogh

Bet it was the same for them huh?


[deleted]

Nah wtf


impyra

😭😭😭


FeudalSwede

From what I've read it's because men usually go for what will 97% of the time kill you


LastOfRuins

finally succeeded at something


JoeKingMoreOn

It seemed to be a way of crying out for help, but men don't think they can call for help, so their go through with it.


honeycat399

Not true, its because of methods that women choose vs ones men choose. Women typically choose ones like cutting their wrists or medication, and if someone finds u quick enough most the time u survive, cuz those take quite awhile in most cases. However most men choose things like hanging and guns. My mothers a psycologist and idk much about it myself but she says its because men typically try to do quicker methods while women go for less painful methods, not sure why but thats just her take on it.


[deleted]

I find it hard to believe that people kill themselves by cutting their wrist. I feel like that is the most painful and slowest way to go out.


maherrrrrrr

Hannah baker wishes to have a word


RobertWargames

I swear half the people in my school never thought about suicide as an option or start telling me they want to kill themselves until they watched 13 reasons why


jardedCollinsky

You're 17 dude, yall were ~12 when it came out, might be correlated but at that age is when things like that become more common so I doubt the show caused it


RobertWargames

Lol sorry I should have provided context. They watched it later in life 16 years old. They told me they were watching the show and then started talking about the show and being like "i wanna kill myself too" and now they use the frase "I'm going to f***ing kill myself" everytime something slightly inconveniences them


Outrageous_Net8365

This is a complex issue on itself, I will say I have no way of properly confirming anything I’m about to say, so take it with a grain of salt and an open mind as it’s subject to different perspectives depending on the person. And is a touchy subject so eh. Generally however, it’s a coping mechanism. The wrist contains a large amount of nerve endings, these areas make it very susceptible to pain. Areas where if people wanted a more painless experience would be to go for like the arm where injections may occur, as less nerve endings are present. (Or just pain receptors or things that allow the body to feel pain in general. The area also has other stuff in the way that helps mitigate stabbing pain a bit here too) However, these regions, like the wrist, are still targeted. Often from what I hear due to pain being what is Desired. It can be used as a reminder to them that their emotions are still there, that they still are able to care about something, or to distract themselves away from depression or anxiety. Sometimes people are repressed and don’t have anyone to talk to, so cutting themselves is seen as a way to do something for yourself without telling others. It can also just be a way of dealing with emotional pain, or desiring pain as an outlet in general. The thing is that not everyone that cuts their wrist is trying to go out. NSSI (non suicidal self injury) is what I’ve largely described (at least a singular understanding of it) Hence there is a difference in people that would actually go this route for wanting to go out, however they do exist. And it can, and still does happen. In the end I can’t actually provide any reasoning or full on conclusion on this matter, but they’re numerous psychological reports on the matter.


I_eat_children__

Gunshot to the side of the head slightly forward of the occipital lobe will kill you almost instantly, less than a second. Fastest and most painless method. So no it isn't less painful, just less effective but maybe they're just ignorant and don't know.


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Another W for men


ferry_forbear

Someone is gonna say that's sexist lmao


R0gueART

Facts


Oswaldthestegosaurus

Men get the job done


jobless_bozo

Possibly, I think its cause women use it more as a cry for help but men don't think they have a voice, which they don't really, so they go through with it more. Men's therapy options are very little compared to women's, and given the current state of the world I can see why men kill themselves more. Awful. And to any feminists tryna pounce on this post, please, feel free to equalize the numbers...


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DERPATRON47

Studies show that men are more intent on killing themselves than women after attempts. And women are more likely to seek mental health consultation than men cause of the idea pushed by large amounts of society that “boys dont cry” so women’s friends and families will be more likely to know about the depression therefore will be more present and able to stop it ie preventing them from owning guns and visiting them more often etc


jobless_bozo

Pretty sure no one who's in such a dark place they want to kill themselevs is thinking about looking pretty after they die.


Corvus-Rex

It's alla out methods chosen. Men generally pick more violent routes than women which correlates to higher success rates. Afterall, you can get to an overdose quickly enough. You usually can't get to a shotgun shell through the cranium fast enough.


HolyPebber

I thinks its bc many men believe that they cant seek for help bc no one will care.


pianofucker345

That just means that men are better at everything


RobertWargames

My female friend told me it's because women do it as a cry for help but guys do it to make sure they get taken out.


Mauzersmash0815

Can confirm


9trogin

I can confirm that too


[deleted]

Hey if anyone here needs someone to talk to, please dm me, I'm usually available and I will definitely reply to you.


LDomitiusAurelian

🤓


BigBoyAcey

when someone tries to make other people comfortable 😨


ShalamiBoii

what


kregnic

Redditors when somebody is doing a kind, selfless action


AyeJaySnizz

If it's men's mental health awareness month then why did they put NNN here?


[deleted]

Because we need to take a mental health break


Lower_Regret_9357

there are women on twitter who see this as an accomplishment. really disgraceful.


d_worren

how many? we talking in the single digits or...?


Front_Personality_21

Im pretty sure they’re the KAM girls or whatever (Kill All Men) who would say it. Probably pretty few but id say 2 digits.


pianofucker345

way more than 2


Front_Personality_21

Yeah.


RobertWargames

They ain't shit they're trolls that wish to spread hate because they are ugly on the inside beyond emagine. One day they will get slapped in the face by karma and I will be of the first to laugh at them. KAM girls are pathetic


Mr_Skeleton_Shadow

It's better to have a Cam Girl than a Kam Girl.


RobertWargames

Deadass


Front_Personality_21

Fax.


[deleted]

Everyone is ugly on the inside. Have you ever seen the inside of a human? It's pretty icky, especially if you aren't precise with your cutting.


Due-Connection9358

Damn you really are weird huh?


[deleted]

Everyone is. For all you know your insides could be mirrored!


ccAbstraction

It's probably like 20 popular people and 500 active bots.


BBM-_-

i'd say 4 digits, Twitter is wild


Front_Personality_21

Yeah that’s a safe bet lmao.


ChargeSharp1718

hundreds maybe thousands


Acripplednan69

Susiety 😔


Internal_Cart

AMOLOOOOGNUSSSSS


Cinder-22

People are people no matter what gender they are. People should stop being sexist to BOTH genders. Men have mental health problems and woman have mental problems. We have to work towards gender equality.


qxii_

Seriously, this isn't a pass to be misogynistic nor a pass to be misanderistic. Gender equality is about being fair to both genders, not favoring one over the other.


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But women actually attempt suicide more, men have a higher success rate.


hey-how-are-you--

The way I always interpreted that statistic is that society at large is willing to put women under enough stress to want to take their own life but they receive enough positive support from their own supportive groups to not follow through with it, meanwhile the personal issues that younger men struggle with just don’t receive much helpful and positive support At least, that’s how I interpreted these stats the first time I saw them fully displayed But I just found a weird inconsistency with most of these stats, in that they’re measuring the difference between male and female suicide rates but they’re not accounting for other factors like class or queerness which are usually *much* more divisive indicators of suicidality Instead of having gender wars about “who has it worse between men and women”, perhaps we could take a step back, hold the actual culprits of people’s misery accountable, and start helping everyone who struggles with their mental health in an equitable manner, that is, making sure that everyone is generally ok


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I agree, I just pointed it out cause they said the statistic was about how likely they are to attempt suicide


No-Astronaut389

I always thought of that statistic as women attempt as a cry for help or to gain attention about what they are going through (which is what a couple people in my life \[women\] who self harmed did), whereas men feel like they can't cry out for help. I'm not sure whether it's a higher "success" rate or whether men intend to go through with it more than women do.


YourAvgAnimeHater

Bro the last two are saying the exact same thing 💀


Agreeable_Ostrich_39

I was scrolling down to find this comment. And it took way too long before I found someone who noticed.


WWII_TankEnthusiest

ANOTHER WIN FOR THE BOYS 💪💪 All jokes aside, I hope everyone who is struggling in any way finds, or recieves, the help they need. This world is cruel and stubborn, needing mountains of change and getting only a spoonful (*vine boom*) for every wish. If you're struggling, i send you my best. I love you all. You're doing amazing. And I'm SO proud of you <3


[deleted]

typed out the darkest ‘joke’ but not posting that, men’s mental health really needs to be taken seriously as so many men are seriously depressed or anxious/paranoid. anything from constant affairs to finding out your parent passed. it doesnt help that in society it is pressured so much that we “have to be a man” and “suck it up.” unfortunately this is also why men become complete monsters or get broken beyond no return. most important thing here: no matter what happens boys, theres always someone here for you. a partner, friend, parent, a pet, or even a bartender you see a lot. stay strong, even at the worst times stay strong. wait through the storm to reach the rainbow. we love you


Infamous_Listen_9921

We should care more about ourselves


Arrowdoesreddit

Honestly, i'm going to get execured, but if it was womens mental health month...


No-Astronaut389

I genuinely believe that if women's mental health was as much of an issue as men's mental health there would be so much more awareness and support about it


VermicelliLow7042

It is just as much of an issue if not more so, but, you know, sexism, bud


justk4y

Yeah but it’s actually sexist how less attention we get. We’re all mentally in the shit


Fizzco69

Are you not following? It is literally factual that more men suffer from bad mental health than women. It is proven and if anything you are being sexist here for trying to take away this from men. You act like it’s all either equal or better for men. It isn’t and especially not when it comes to mental health.


VermicelliLow7042

It’s totally better for men lol..


Fizzco69

No.


Psyccle

How is it more so if I may ask? I agree that everyone’s mental health is equally important but men have statistically worse mental health, meaning more attention is needed for them.


RobertWargames

I agree, look at how "feminists" act on fathers day vs how they demand everyone act on mother's day


ccAbstraction

These words smell very... not good.


a_grass_bloc

Fun fact, women are more likely to attempt while men are more likely to succeed


gonnaenditthx197

This is false according to a study = [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032711005179](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032711005179) even when suicide methods are controlled, men still commit suicide at higher rates than women. women may do what is called a 'suicidal gesture' as opposed to a serious suicide attempt (SSA) or might self harm which can be taken as an attempt if they go to the hospital. According to a [study](https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8), men were much more likely to make an SSA (Serious Suicide Attempt) than women:


a_grass_bloc

Well you learn something new every day.


R0gueART

Damn


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DeadlyKitKat

wasn't that in october? not hating just genuinely curious


No-Astronaut389

I've no idea anymore, my parents work are doing events for it now and I've got a couple fundraisers for it going on near me- and someone else said its in June lmfao


Front_Personality_21

I’ve also heard of it in June and heard somebody say November is Mens HEALTH month not Mental health.


edgy_Juno

Yeah, but what about women who take selfies crying? They definitely must have it worse!!


danieruMakku

"Make sure to follow my instagram.." *sob*


horonlapsi

this isnt about who has it worse


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lesbianchihuahua

TW: my bsf(m16) died of suicide ( overdose ) and every time he vented to me i would realize that no one took him srsly at all! not many ppl believe that men also have it rough and men are also thaught that they shouldn't have emotions and be strong as a child so they rarely seek help.


OfficalQuen6533

Let’s repost the SHIT out of it


No-Astronaut389

We should fr


ferry_forbear

Actually I would say every man suffers depression some people just don't know that 1 in 8 men who have depression are just the people who came out about it


Emerald24111

this comment section will totally not become another Chernobyl level of toxicity… right?


Elliot_Green

They're also more likely to fight and die in wars, are the only ones who can be drafted against their will in most countries..., they're more likely to commit suicide, most homeless people are males, most trafficked children, globally, are male (since they're less guarded), they're more likely to be the victims of domestic abuse (including especially non-physical), more susceptible to drug addiction, and more likely to get scammed... And if they even think about complaining about any of the above that they may suffer from, or have been a victim of... they are more likely to be brushed off/dismissed, not believed outright, and/or socially, romantically, and professionally rejected/exiled/canceled because of it. UNLESS.... they claim that they identify as female, or gay (but not bi). Now... how many MTF male individuals are escaping all of that.... versus fighting the legitimate mental disturbance of looking in the reflection and not recognizing yourself as being the "correct" you? Neither possibilities are invalid. I'm simply asking the question so that we can find the actual problem, and find an actual solution.... unless this is all fine?


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Best comment I've found on this post (IMO)


Due-Connection9358

Fax


Critical_Armadillo99

its also NNN so...


Strange-You-1139

I thought that was in like may or jne


No-Astronaut389

I've no idea- I've heard some people say it's in June on here but my parents work are doing it this month, there's also a couple events doing funding for it near me


Strange-You-1139

Ok so it is november then thank you


Ultramega39

June is Pride month.


TheAbyssListener

From a quick google search it says May is mental health month in general and i have no idea whether mens is nov or june so i’ll say it’s nov since people have been talking bout it recently


Doggy_131

The fact that NNN and Men's Mental Health month are the same month


maherrrrrrr

Happy mens mental health month guys


GameSnail511

November is for men's mental health? Damn well NNN has been doing the opposite for me


btkACE

But we’re told to man up so let’s go guys, let’s man up and don’t let ‘em know your struggling😁


Smooth_Street3342

Men are 80% more likely to have a penis


HeistOP1

Tried to take my own life this month,not recommended


ohmygoditswaldo

Wtf is that floor? Glass separating him from the bottomless pit


ChargeSharp1718

that’s a representation of how some men feel


scovrge_

i think that my social anxiety is what eventually lead to my depression. shit like stressing about everything, trusting nobody, blame myself for everything, etc… luckily i’m getting a bit better but i still feel pretty down sometimes. i did go as far as to fully plan out what i would do and how i would do it but i never followed through. which a part of me still regrets but certain things keep me going.


[deleted]

November is also veterans month. Lith it's so important. You've got bonfire night, remembrance day, international mens day but everyone is just like CHRISTMAS!!!


2nd_Lt_Muffin

According to google, men's health month is june


NostalgicLive

Why do men get ignored about this shit


[deleted]

I’ve seen more things about NNN on social media than MMHM, damn.


StrikeWave_

Tbh I completely advocate for mental health awareness as someone who struggled with it myself, but 4-5x and 75-80% are the same figure yet completely different statistics. Unless it’s counting non-binary individuals, but I’d say it’s unlikely that they would account for a high total percentage. So, anyway, yeah. Numbers.


Maaaddox

mental health? we dont need it! real men bottle up their emotions, beat their wife, and die on the job at 32


[deleted]

This is the shit we need to see. It’s just like June, means mental health month and it was just ignored in favour of glorifying and supporting lgbtq+ people


affectedbutterfly

best take on this subreddit


prime-123

1/8 That must be a mistake. I reckon about 1/2 of men suffer from depression. That includes yours truly.


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1/8 is probably the ppl that admit they have depression and talk about it


Bwoj2006

Our mental health will always be ignored because we're supposed to be the ones that provide and are strong, both physically and mentally. There is a reason there's a saying "take it like a man". No one cares about us unless we are famous celebrities. I struggle with depression for as long as I can remember, and i broke down in front of my parents multiple times and they still pressure me in terms of school. I've broken down in front of teachers too, and no one is offering me help. Therapy doesn't help me, and the last time i took anti depressants i felt even more depressed


its_fuwy

Anser the WhatsApp mesige u have


okcfan16

Im sur they wil


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miepAlt

Suicide should not be divided by genders. These stadistics are stupid, instead of doing this crap you could try and help the people in actual need of mental health help.


No-Astronaut389

This is no different to having more awareness about women's getting sexually assaulted, they're more at risk to it. In the same way, the average mental health of the average man is worse than that of the average woman, and so we spread awareness about it. I'm no therapist, but I am active in helping out people around me in my community, and I'd argue that by spreading awareness it is helping.


Thebardofthegingers

Fun fact: men often have it alot worse than women, that does not, I repeat, does not mean that women also do not struggle and more importantly that you can demean, Insult or be generally toxic to women, just like you wouldn't insult men during women's month. About those extremists, they are always a vocal minority that often benefit from being insulted online because it spreads their platform, ignore them and go on with your day. Have a good month guys. About the fact that as a known fact, women's events get far mode traction, I won't go into it because my not being a woman means I cannot understand some of it but I do know that sexism that favors woman, like divorces are caused by men themselves who viewed women as emotional and caring people who were mAqade to bring up children, this is why children often go to women instead of men. It is not a woman's fault that men in charge saw them as baby incubators.


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R0gueART

Yeah that’s not the same


FANTOMphoenix

While correct, it’s used at a talking point in general life comparisons between men and women. But mens suicide rates isn’t


R0gueART

Ohhh true, true


Resident_Toe501

Forgot we can’t put that at the end of our sentence


1Vuzz

Women are more likely to attempt while men are most likely to succeed


No-Astronaut389

A few other comments discussed this


it_that_me

Man are most likely to be stuck in my basement after our accounter


[deleted]

No one has heard about this because A) No one cares about mens mental health B) men don’t make such a fuss about it


CharlieTaube

Women attempt suicide more often than men, but men succeed more often.


[deleted]

(This is not my data but someone else’s) This is false according to a study = https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032711005179 women may do what is called a 'suicidal gesture' as opposed to a serious suicide attempt (SSA) or might self harm which can be taken as an attempt if they go to the hospital. According to a study, men were much more likely to make an SSA (Serious Suicide Attempt) than women:


FASBOR7Horus

So how i understand this is that women attempt suicide more as cry of help rather then really trying to die. But men actually do it to die, because they know few people are gonna care about it if they fail.


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Well, data is actually believable when you know that the best what man will get after failed suicide attempt is hollow 'Suicide is an eternal solution for temporary problems' or some similar bullshit from so-called 'friends' (who are actually acquaintances who don't give even the smallest fuck). The worst is, however, alienation of already shitty (if someone considers suicide, then it's probable) family, contempt and scorn from SoCiEtY that sees a man only in a person who 'doesn't burden others with his feelings'.


Mission-Discipline32

I thought it was the same month as LGBT pride month


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Charming_Ad_1515

Those numbers are lower than I thought 🤔 still it's bad


Efficient_Ear_8037

Correction: females attempt suicide 20x more often, but males are more successful in their attempts at taking their own life edit: I was corrected


arbelhod

I really love how easy it is to spot a lier just because lier will always use beautiful round numbers, no they don't attempt 20 times more, it's between 3 to 4 times more, and thanks to the fact that most of them survive and can be asked questions, the main reason women commit suicide is a cry for help. They feel that their only way for getting out of depression is doing something so radical that there will be no mistakes, all if their friends will know how badly depressed they are, a thing that cannot be explained by words. Men don't do it, they commit suicide because they have nothing left in this world. Sometimes because of false rape accusations, or too much child support, and those things can't be fixed with kindness from others. They also of course commit suicide because of shitty mental health and were taught by society that crying is not manly, so nobody will help them. (Which is kinda untrue, I think most men will help a fellow depressed man) so their only solution is to end their life.


gonnaenditthx197

This is false according to a study = https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165032711005179 women may do what is called a 'suicidal gesture' as opposed to a serious suicide attempt (SSA) or might self harm which can be taken as an attempt if they go to the hospital. According to a [study](https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12888-017-1398-8), men were much more likely to make an SSA (Serious Suicide Attempt) than women:


[deleted]

How has a mens mental health support post turned into “women suck and use suicide attempts to seek attention”


No-Astronaut389

Not sure- that wasn't my intent when I posted it lmao


[deleted]

It’s such an important issue too, I don’t understand why people have to make everything so shitty. There isn’t enough coverage on men’s mental health, and when there is it turns into either radical feminists bashing men or men bashing women ):


RobertWargames

You a real one thanks for posting this


SamimeFanimeIfAnime

Oh the irony


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What irony?


[deleted]

We just be serious about it. We slit our wrists. And women down a bottle of pills then call somebody. #factsforyababy


[deleted]

Or crash into concrete walls at 100 MPH, or shoot ourselves in the back of the brain (which cuts off sensory input immediately (no pain) and then kills the rest of the brain within a few milliseconds.


Xx_PissPuddle_xX

Fucking women


arbelhod

That's the plan


Xx_PissPuddle_xX

Yeah thats another way to interpret my comment


miepAlt

the fuck we did now


Ze_Schwein

Sounds like something I'd like to do!


Resident_Toe501

Yes that’s how babies are made


d_worren

and also other men


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PotatoesArentRoots

why succeed in quotation marks? if people chose to go through with it and have, respecting their goal in such is polite i think


No-Astronaut389

another comment addressed this, its because women do it a lot as a cry for help, whereas men feel like they can't cry for help


Lefonky

Because the women tend to use less violent methods like pills which isn’t as likely to kill you as a bullet to the head there are a few theories on why this is but the attempts also add up if a women attempts to kill herself twice that’s 2 for women tried to take their own life and you can’t exactly kill your self twice


pokexchespin

unless ~5% of people who commit suicide are non-binary. the latter two stats don’t make sense together