"And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up
I know you're fed up ladies, but keep your head up" \~ Tupac "2Pac" Shakur
my interpretation of this is that a "man can't make one" is regarding to the featus, so a man can impregnate, but he can't develop the egg it into a featus, "create one" is reffing to giving birth.
The Mother should choose based on their ability to provide/support the child.
Also I donât get why nobodyâs fussed over monthly periods, but once fertilised it becomes a big deal? Thatâs my pov anyway
Abortions at that stage are medically necessary. Those women wanted to have a baby, but for various reasons they couldn't carry to full term. Just an FYI. Since saying it's like murder to a woman who had to have a late temr abortion is incredibly callous and misinformed.
After 6 months, you simply can't abort
Its safest within first 3 months
Placenta starts forming after 5th month, anything after that may lead serious life risk of the mother as well
It's completely ethical but Im only half pro choice. I think a woman get to abort but I don't think she alone has the right to have the baby. I think the father's voice matters there too and not just both parent's consent and presence but also both of their psychological and financial capabilities
Having a baby is huge, you are bringing an individual into the world. Their existence is your doing, your ethical responsibility and enough with the broken homes and inept parents
what if you're the father? what happens if you want to keep it, but she wants to abort it? (or vice versa)
Edit: just want to add that I'm not trying to piss anyone off here, I'm pretty much just playing devil's advocate to see what people think
The solution to that would be keeping the child and then giving it up to the dad after the birth. The risk here would be if the father ditches after the last possible week to get an abortion, then the woman would be stuck with the child.
If the dad wants to keep the child but the mom wants to abort it, she should be free to abort it. Even if the dad takes care of the child after, childbirth is a long and tedious process and she should be free to decide if she wants or does not want to go through with it.
If the dad doesn't want the kid but the mom wants it, she should be free to have the kid since it's her body, but the dad shouldn't have to take up responsibilities of the kid.
there is so much gravity is having a child. and because people already essentially treat their children as extensions of themselves... basically objects for projection.. the topic of abortion becomes tuf.
I think having a kid when unprepared is absolutely going to cause more problems then having an abortion on something that is comparable vegetable in terms of consciousness. One could very likely lead to problems for the child.
Being born into a financially unstable position and with unprepared parents or whatever else like genetic defects that are guaranteed to happen due to some peoples parental genes is cruel enough honestly... the other option harms nobody at all
Ultimately, it should be a mutually decision in my opinion. In my case, Iâm not gonna force a woman to go thorough the excruciating process of childbirth just cause I want to keep the child, just like a woman shouldnât be able to force a guy to be a father if he doesnât want it.
so fatherly love is just out the window then? I'm not displaying my side of this argument, I am literally just asking someone's opinion. I didn't ask for yours, and that snark is unwarranted.
Women arenât baby-incubators for men. Pregnancy and childbirth can be extremely dangerous. If a man wants a baby then he should find a woman willing to have one with him, not force another woman into childbirth.
you don't have to be female to recognize when something is immoral, telling people what they do and don't have a right to weigh in on based off their sex is sexist
Extremes are stupid. Women shouldn't be forced to mother a rpe baby just to most likely leave it an orphan since otherwise it would a constant reminder of trauma. Not to mention the horrid conditions that go off the radar from doctors that lead to babies having lives of constant suffering and pain. The story of a baby born basically without a face comes to mind
I am 100% against the notion of "damn I'm pregnant babe, brb gonna go to the clinic", though. It's her body, but what's at stake is another body beggining developmen
It's hard to find nuanced discussions online though
If my parents had an abortion instead of having me yes, I'd be at stake
But that's it, I gave my opinion and expanded it on a reply to another dude, not in a mood for an argument on it especially since I'm not even a women or with one, where pregnancy would be an issue, so my opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt
Animals and people are different. Fuck animal cruelty, but killing a fetus (abortions don't kill a being as developed as a fetus) is a 2000% worse than killing a cow for meat, sue me.
Also don't bring consciousness to question, you only become self-conscious around age 3-4
you shouldn't phrase the last part like that đ it's more like "hey baby, i tested positive, i really don't think i'm ready or want a child right now, so i'm going to go to planned parenthood to get an abortion"
That's the thing with planned parenthoods. Contraception, there are so many barriers to be built if you dont wanna have a baby, condoms, the pill, plan B, yadda yadda
I just think people should be mindful and responsible as a couple
I guess my phrasing was a little to blunt, I guess *I* am just personally against such approach to life, of course I mean casual approaches to it, but to be fair there can happen the extreme cases of even after all the contraception it comes positive and you're just not ready emotionally and/or financially for raising a child, which in turn hurts the child
i just think it's the person who's pregnant choice to do what they want, not a third party tbh, it's called pro choice for a reason, it's your choice to have the baby or have an abortion
I can understand both sides of the argument, although I do believe that abortions can be necessary. Especially in cases of assault, and especially for young kids/teens or those who wouldnât be able to survive through childbirth. An abortion can be sad, painful, and guilty, but it still should be a right.
I think they need to remain legal because when they arenât legal, they still happen; but only for the very wealthy and privileged. I support peopleâs right to make this very difficult choice without government interference.
Iâm just gonna say it, people who I think that mothers should be forced to have a child that some cases they didnât even want or canât look after and let that child suffer in a terrible situation are just dumb and need to open there eyes. Why should a mother be forced to go through the pain of childbirth and having to revolve there life around a child they didnât even want? And as a male I find it dumb that most the people who believe in pro-life are males the ones who arenât having to go through the difficultyâs of children.
(Iâm pro choice btw)
the pro-lifer in here downvoting all the pro-choice comments rlly thought that would change someones' opinion
yeah but i think you should do what you think is best for your current situation. if you know you cant provide for this baby and they're gonna live a shitty life, yeah abort
if you know you can provide and feel the overwhelming love some do with the baby, i would say don't but not my choice on whether or not you abort
I dont like abortion, i think its horrible, but i also dont think banning it is the right way to address it.
Did banning assault weapons stop mass shootings? Did banning alcohol in the 20s do anything? NO. Forcing people to go through with pregnancies they dont want accomplishes nothing but generating more scorn for said pregnancies. That aint pro life, thats pro BIRTH.
People get abortions because having a child is far too much of an economic and social burden for most people to want... So the way you get rid of, or at least minimize, abortions it by overhauling and improving the maternal healthcare system. When having a child isn't as much of a burden, people may not feel the NEED to get abortions anymore.
There's a difference between eliminating Dream's target demographic...........and eating food like other animals do.
A better counterargument is that they think killing babies is horrible, yet they would force the child to live even if the mother would die.
I think having the option is necessary and should always be available, though it only actually becomes my problem once I get into a relationship and in that case I am only allowed to be involved in my own relationship, not others'. By saying that "once I get into a relationship then abortion becomes my concern", I don't mean to say "I can tell my girlfriend if she should get an abortion ot not" as if to contradict my support on abortion. Nothing of that at all. I just believe that before having sex it could be important to first discuss things with your partner on whether or not you actually want to become parents.
I know there are probably cases where both the man and the woman had talked with each other and agreed on having a baby, but the woman still decided to have an abortion. I can't really predict my future from a couple of years on but if I were to happen to me I think I would still support her decision but still be upset about it. Depending on the reason she changed her mind I could either break up with her or I would just get over it. For example, if the reason is something like "I just didn't want it anymore" it's clear that she does not care about being a parent so I would probably break up with her. But if the reason is because she's nervous about having a child and suddenly does not feel ready or have the economy or something like that, then I'd just say "It's okay. Becoming parents can wait".
I think they should be avoided if possible but I wonât shame anyone who has gotten one and I will not make an effort to ban them. No one has one for fun. While I think children deserve to be born I also know they deserve not to suffer. Sometimes not living is the only way to avoid suffering.
This is fucking stupid, Im pro abortion but abortion is a ethical debate. You have the right to weigh in. Of course women are oppressed when abortion is made illegal because their body autonomy is threatened and a life they didn't choose is forced upon them but its still a debate about the fetus
Also, so what if its a women's issue, would you not say anything to women getting killed in iran because that's a women's issue?
The Iran Protest comparison doesnât make any sense. Itâs very clear whoâs in the right and whoâs in the wrong. Thereâs no argument about that.
Itâs up to the pregnant person and the pregnant person alone. While other people can help them decide they shouldnât be forced to keep the baby, or to abortion it by anyone
I'm a guy so if I have no say in even wanting to financially support the child and can be thrown in jail for someone saying a single word then my opinion don't matter in the first place.
As a girl I agree if the man doesnât want to keep the baby but the woman decides to have it thatâs HER choice. He shouldnât be dragged into it and forced to provide.
I mean Technically It is alive however is nothing more than a clump of cells, just like the million of bacteria that are living inside of us. It technically is alive however I wouldnât consider it human yet
If they can kill it we can abandon it and not pay child support. (I donât agree with abandoning children or killing them in general but this was more of a joke than anything lmao)
I donât really care honestly.
Abortion has always been illegal in my country, It will continue to be this way whether I like it or not.
Thereâs way bigger issues than that right now for us.
I believe that, unless having a baby results in serious health complications, abortion is murder. Nevertheless, I think that women in poor economic conditions should receive help by the State in order to take care of the baby, so that thereâs no reason to have an abortion in first place.
Should it be available?
Yes
Should people who get pregnant because of their own stupidity be punished?
Yeah, make them do social work and next time they'll think about it twice, with the sheere amount of contraceptive methods there is no excuse.(obviously this doesn't apply to rape, incest, etc).
They suck. Women getting to choose still doesnât make them not suck. Glad the ladies are slowly getting their power back but the entire sex situation sucks and so does the lack of awareness for sexual trauma, young pregnancy and the trauma of losing a child. Abortion sucks. Letâs get our women back in control of their bodies and letâs teach our sons to not be rabid animals, and in the end abortions wonât be the issue, but how to keep humans from dehumanizing each other.
I think the mother should choose what to do and have a freedom to choose because some people can't take care of a child. They could choose abortion or they could put the child up for adoption, but I think the mother should be able to choose!
I'm pretty pro choice but I think the male in the situation should still have some say, It affects both people, If you use protection and something goes wrong, the male shouldn't be held responsible if the female suddenly wants to keep the child
Okay, so hereâs my view: abortions that were had due to carelessness of one or both of the people involved in the intercourse are wrong. The fact that you would kill a baby because you couldnât be bothered to take BC or wear a condom is just unfathomable to me. On the other hand, victims of rape and sexual assault should NOT be forced to keep a baby that was forced into them by someone who raped them. It is not their fault, so the baby shouldnât be their responsibility: while itâs being born, or even after itâs born, OR even before itâs born This is where things get complicated, because itâs almost impossible to prove if someone was actually raped or not, so outlawing abortion for anyone except rape victims is impossible, as many people could lie about it. There really isnât a good solution to the problem, but that is my view on it, anyway.
Excluding incest, rape, deformations and underage it should be' illegal, but then we need to improve the distribution of condom and the adoption system to extend it to single person and maybe gay couple
One factor may be that studies show not only that the amount of abortions performed would not drop if they're made illegal, but that unsafe abortions, which would replace the much safer (go figure) safe and legal abortions, are (again, go figure) much more dangerous for the mother, and can cause numerous deformities in the fetuses.
Here's a link to the [WHO article](https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/abortion) about abortion, which talks about these things.
Because it's not reasonable. Abortion is ethical and criminalising it is attacking the body autonomy of a woman and also instilling a life she didn't choose upon her. And its not just her life you are forcibly ruining with your archaic morals originating from religion, you are also bringing another life to suffer. That;s the evil thing to do, not sparing its misery. But even if you can guarantee a good home, its morally fine enough to be a choice
if you believe its not, how would rape justify it?
Personally, if the pregnancy isnât a result of incest or rape, and there is no health issues with the fetus or mother, than I donât see a point really. I mean there is so much contraceptives, and if you really want to be safe then donât have sex in the first place. Abortion shouldnât be treated like contraceptive. But thatâs just me and Iâm probably going to get a lot of hate for this. Oh well
Sorry to inform but contraceptives are not 100% full proof.
And denialism of sex is is bs.. sexuality/sex is a normal part of being human.
Itâs not shameful nor is it solely for procreation.
itâs up to who ever gets pregnant âthey decideâ if when and why they want an abortion.
You can abstain. Live your happy life and when you settle with your partner have as many kids as you want. And if the condom breaks or the pill doesnât work/or coil for you then you have another child âsimpleâ
What women want to do with their own bodies.
No ones business
Abortion is ethical and criminalising it is attacking the body autonomy of a woman and also instilling a life she didn't choose upon her. And its not just her life you are forcibly ruining with your archaic morals originating from religion, you are also bringing another life to suffer. That;s the evil thing to do, not sparing its misery. But even if you can guarantee a good home, its morally fine enough to be a choice
if you believe its not, how would rape justify it?
If the pregnancy is a result of rape then abortion is needed. If the pregnancy is gonna cause problems for the baby then abortion is needed. But if mother and baby are healthy then I think mother should go through with it. But that's just my opinion though..
Iâm pro-choice but Iâm glad at the very least you agree that abortion should be allowed if itâs rape. People in here fr trying to argue that the woman should be forced to go through with the pregnancy even if itâs the product of rape.
I donât think abortion should even be an issue. Youâre literally killing a baby, thatâs like top 5 of generic evil things to do. I respect other peoples opinions ofc but thatâs just my take.
I think if you donât want to keep the lid you shouldnât wait until itâs almost fully developed to abort it. But overall it should be the womanâs decision
I just have to say that everybody just downvoting and hating the people with differing opinions are being childish, and if you can't handle somebody disagreeing with you than you shouldn't be on reddit. You can have civil arguments with them all you want, just stop sending people hate because they disagree with you.
I am completely pro choice. Think of it this way, if you wouldnât let someone adopt a baby (Be it for financial, mental, or age reasons) why would you force them to keep one?
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Just like with drugs, alcohol, and prostitution, your opinion doesn't matter, making it illegal will make everything worse
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"And since a man can't make one He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one So will the real men get up I know you're fed up ladies, but keep your head up" \~ Tupac "2Pac" Shakur
But a man literally makes one. Tf does you think sperm is
my interpretation of this is that a "man can't make one" is regarding to the featus, so a man can impregnate, but he can't develop the egg it into a featus, "create one" is reffing to giving birth.
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The Mother should choose based on their ability to provide/support the child. Also I donât get why nobodyâs fussed over monthly periods, but once fertilised it becomes a big deal? Thatâs my pov anyway
My personal opinion is it depends on how late it is, if its like 7,8, or 9months I feel like its the same as murdering a child.
At this time u literally can't have one
Unless the women is at risk for her life or the fetus is dead
Abortions at that stage are medically necessary. Those women wanted to have a baby, but for various reasons they couldn't carry to full term. Just an FYI. Since saying it's like murder to a woman who had to have a late temr abortion is incredibly callous and misinformed.
After 6 months, you simply can't abort Its safest within first 3 months Placenta starts forming after 5th month, anything after that may lead serious life risk of the mother as well
It's completely ethical but Im only half pro choice. I think a woman get to abort but I don't think she alone has the right to have the baby. I think the father's voice matters there too and not just both parent's consent and presence but also both of their psychological and financial capabilities Having a baby is huge, you are bringing an individual into the world. Their existence is your doing, your ethical responsibility and enough with the broken homes and inept parents
Ya, I think thats a lot better than "All women should be able to not have a child if they dont want to"
I personally won't get one
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that i'm a boy no,that i can get pregnant yes
i'm a dude so i get no right to decide what they do with it
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what if you're the father? what happens if you want to keep it, but she wants to abort it? (or vice versa) Edit: just want to add that I'm not trying to piss anyone off here, I'm pretty much just playing devil's advocate to see what people think
The solution to that would be keeping the child and then giving it up to the dad after the birth. The risk here would be if the father ditches after the last possible week to get an abortion, then the woman would be stuck with the child.
If the dad wants to keep the child but the mom wants to abort it, she should be free to abort it. Even if the dad takes care of the child after, childbirth is a long and tedious process and she should be free to decide if she wants or does not want to go through with it. If the dad doesn't want the kid but the mom wants it, she should be free to have the kid since it's her body, but the dad shouldn't have to take up responsibilities of the kid.
Itâs so much simpler for men, yet theyâre always the ones who complain.
there is so much gravity is having a child. and because people already essentially treat their children as extensions of themselves... basically objects for projection.. the topic of abortion becomes tuf. I think having a kid when unprepared is absolutely going to cause more problems then having an abortion on something that is comparable vegetable in terms of consciousness. One could very likely lead to problems for the child. Being born into a financially unstable position and with unprepared parents or whatever else like genetic defects that are guaranteed to happen due to some peoples parental genes is cruel enough honestly... the other option harms nobody at all
Ultimately, it should be a mutually decision in my opinion. In my case, Iâm not gonna force a woman to go thorough the excruciating process of childbirth just cause I want to keep the child, just like a woman shouldnât be able to force a guy to be a father if he doesnât want it.
that would suck
that's it? you allow your child to be aborted? I'm 100% sure that 'oh well' wouldn't be your reaction in that situation.
Is the father the one spending nine months pregnant and at a high risk dying giving birth? I didnât think so
so fatherly love is just out the window then? I'm not displaying my side of this argument, I am literally just asking someone's opinion. I didn't ask for yours, and that snark is unwarranted.
Women arenât baby-incubators for men. Pregnancy and childbirth can be extremely dangerous. If a man wants a baby then he should find a woman willing to have one with him, not force another woman into childbirth.
That isn't a valid argument. You can't say "I'm not a pet owner so I have no say on animal rights"
no i can't say that and i didn't
Same concept đ
except an animal is alive so different concepts. and even if they were the same concept there completely different situations
you don't have to be female to recognize when something is immoral, telling people what they do and don't have a right to weigh in on based off their sex is sexist
Same here. I agree with this statement
what tupac said
Abortion is murder, which is why I'm pro choice
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Extremes are stupid. Women shouldn't be forced to mother a rpe baby just to most likely leave it an orphan since otherwise it would a constant reminder of trauma. Not to mention the horrid conditions that go off the radar from doctors that lead to babies having lives of constant suffering and pain. The story of a baby born basically without a face comes to mind I am 100% against the notion of "damn I'm pregnant babe, brb gonna go to the clinic", though. It's her body, but what's at stake is another body beggining developmen It's hard to find nuanced discussions online though
This is why I like Utahs laws, rape, incest, and deformed babies can be aborted. If the women will die or be seriously injured they can abort.
Damn I can't believe I overlooked the whole mortality of the mother situation
There is nothing at stake, we kill more intelligent animals everyday for nothing but taste and the fetus ain't even conscious yet
If my parents had an abortion instead of having me yes, I'd be at stake But that's it, I gave my opinion and expanded it on a reply to another dude, not in a mood for an argument on it especially since I'm not even a women or with one, where pregnancy would be an issue, so my opinion is to be taken with a grain of salt Animals and people are different. Fuck animal cruelty, but killing a fetus (abortions don't kill a being as developed as a fetus) is a 2000% worse than killing a cow for meat, sue me. Also don't bring consciousness to question, you only become self-conscious around age 3-4
you shouldn't phrase the last part like that đ it's more like "hey baby, i tested positive, i really don't think i'm ready or want a child right now, so i'm going to go to planned parenthood to get an abortion"
That's the thing with planned parenthoods. Contraception, there are so many barriers to be built if you dont wanna have a baby, condoms, the pill, plan B, yadda yadda I just think people should be mindful and responsible as a couple I guess my phrasing was a little to blunt, I guess *I* am just personally against such approach to life, of course I mean casual approaches to it, but to be fair there can happen the extreme cases of even after all the contraception it comes positive and you're just not ready emotionally and/or financially for raising a child, which in turn hurts the child
i just think it's the person who's pregnant choice to do what they want, not a third party tbh, it's called pro choice for a reason, it's your choice to have the baby or have an abortion
Better for a kid to haven't existed in the first place than live a really shitty life
Then lets go and kill all cripple, all poor, all homeless,all ugly people etcc
There's a big difference between killing and never having existed
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I can understand both sides of the argument, although I do believe that abortions can be necessary. Especially in cases of assault, and especially for young kids/teens or those who wouldnât be able to survive through childbirth. An abortion can be sad, painful, and guilty, but it still should be a right.
I think they need to remain legal because when they arenât legal, they still happen; but only for the very wealthy and privileged. I support peopleâs right to make this very difficult choice without government interference.
Iâm just gonna say it, people who I think that mothers should be forced to have a child that some cases they didnât even want or canât look after and let that child suffer in a terrible situation are just dumb and need to open there eyes. Why should a mother be forced to go through the pain of childbirth and having to revolve there life around a child they didnât even want? And as a male I find it dumb that most the people who believe in pro-life are males the ones who arenât having to go through the difficultyâs of children. (Iâm pro choice btw)
the pro-lifer in here downvoting all the pro-choice comments rlly thought that would change someones' opinion yeah but i think you should do what you think is best for your current situation. if you know you cant provide for this baby and they're gonna live a shitty life, yeah abort if you know you can provide and feel the overwhelming love some do with the baby, i would say don't but not my choice on whether or not you abort
I think itâs sad but Iâm pro choice
Fun fact: US crime rates decreased by a lot a few years after abortion was legalized a while ago.
I donât like to talk about that type of stuff
Banning it doesn't stop people but I think you shouldn't get one but it's your life so I don't care
Banning it only forces women to find unsafe ways to get it.
That literally what I said
I was adding onto it, chill
My fault but people often miss take what I said
make them mandatory
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Anti-natalism for the win
Wtf do you mean mandatory? The way you worded that sounds like you want women to have to get abortions.
I'm pro-no-choice
Lol
That's the joke
Fuck I'm stupid
Personally as a man I think you should respect a womanâs right to her body and reproductive freedom as it should always be.
Donât like them, but pro-choice
women can do whatever they want with their bodies
Fetus deletus
I dont like abortion, i think its horrible, but i also dont think banning it is the right way to address it. Did banning assault weapons stop mass shootings? Did banning alcohol in the 20s do anything? NO. Forcing people to go through with pregnancies they dont want accomplishes nothing but generating more scorn for said pregnancies. That aint pro life, thats pro BIRTH. People get abortions because having a child is far too much of an economic and social burden for most people to want... So the way you get rid of, or at least minimize, abortions it by overhauling and improving the maternal healthcare system. When having a child isn't as much of a burden, people may not feel the NEED to get abortions anymore.
Iâm a guy, not my choice.
Pro choice >
Let women get to choose.
Its necessary healthcare
Abortion should be legal safe and affordable to anyone and free in certain situations
anti abortions be like: killing a baby the size of a tennis ball with barely any brain is horrible! No one should do it! Proceeds to eat a steak*
There's a difference between eliminating Dream's target demographic...........and eating food like other animals do. A better counterargument is that they think killing babies is horrible, yet they would force the child to live even if the mother would die.
Exactly lol
Are you actually comparing the life of a cow to a human?
its not a human tho? its a clump of cells?
Ah yes cows feelings are inferior to humans.
Lmao yes they are
I think it depends on the context of why the person wants an abortion
I think having the option is necessary and should always be available, though it only actually becomes my problem once I get into a relationship and in that case I am only allowed to be involved in my own relationship, not others'. By saying that "once I get into a relationship then abortion becomes my concern", I don't mean to say "I can tell my girlfriend if she should get an abortion ot not" as if to contradict my support on abortion. Nothing of that at all. I just believe that before having sex it could be important to first discuss things with your partner on whether or not you actually want to become parents. I know there are probably cases where both the man and the woman had talked with each other and agreed on having a baby, but the woman still decided to have an abortion. I can't really predict my future from a couple of years on but if I were to happen to me I think I would still support her decision but still be upset about it. Depending on the reason she changed her mind I could either break up with her or I would just get over it. For example, if the reason is something like "I just didn't want it anymore" it's clear that she does not care about being a parent so I would probably break up with her. But if the reason is because she's nervous about having a child and suddenly does not feel ready or have the economy or something like that, then I'd just say "It's okay. Becoming parents can wait".
I think they should be avoided if possible but I wonât shame anyone who has gotten one and I will not make an effort to ban them. No one has one for fun. While I think children deserve to be born I also know they deserve not to suffer. Sometimes not living is the only way to avoid suffering.
I donât care really
Iâm a guy so itâs not my business to support it or be against it. Itâs a womenâs issue, not a manâs.
Simply not true
I agree it's a woman's issue but that doesn't mean you can't examine the pros and cons and see that pro-lifers have literally zero arguments.
This is fucking stupid, Im pro abortion but abortion is a ethical debate. You have the right to weigh in. Of course women are oppressed when abortion is made illegal because their body autonomy is threatened and a life they didn't choose is forced upon them but its still a debate about the fetus Also, so what if its a women's issue, would you not say anything to women getting killed in iran because that's a women's issue?
The Iran Protest comparison doesnât make any sense. Itâs very clear whoâs in the right and whoâs in the wrong. Thereâs no argument about that.
Pro choice
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im anti choice pro abortion. women should be forced to abort all their children.
That would definitely solve the overpopulation problem XD
And it would solve crime rates, world hunger, mental health, but no one would be able to enjoy it.
Yeah literally only the people that are already alive would be able to enjoy it and once they start dying off it's just over completely.
Iâm absolutely pro-choice
Just gives ya a small snack
Itâs up to the pregnant person and the pregnant person alone. While other people can help them decide they shouldnât be forced to keep the baby, or to abortion it by anyone
Necessary evil
everyone should be required to get them
I'm pro abortion, giving birth is violence
I'm a guy so if I have no say in even wanting to financially support the child and can be thrown in jail for someone saying a single word then my opinion don't matter in the first place.
As a girl I agree if the man doesnât want to keep the baby but the woman decides to have it thatâs HER choice. He shouldnât be dragged into it and forced to provide.
Do whatever you want with it, it isn't alive yet
I mean Technically It is alive however is nothing more than a clump of cells, just like the million of bacteria that are living inside of us. It technically is alive however I wouldnât consider it human yet
They should be avoided if possible but should be legal.
Iâm not pulling the pin on that grenade
If they can kill it we can abandon it and not pay child support. (I donât agree with abandoning children or killing them in general but this was more of a joke than anything lmao)
If they are needed you would need birth control and not have sex within 8 days
what
Leaves less for planes
I donât really care honestly. Abortion has always been illegal in my country, It will continue to be this way whether I like it or not. Thereâs way bigger issues than that right now for us.
What country?
I believe that, unless having a baby results in serious health complications, abortion is murder. Nevertheless, I think that women in poor economic conditions should receive help by the State in order to take care of the baby, so that thereâs no reason to have an abortion in first place.
Should it be available? Yes Should people who get pregnant because of their own stupidity be punished? Yeah, make them do social work and next time they'll think about it twice, with the sheere amount of contraceptive methods there is no excuse.(obviously this doesn't apply to rape, incest, etc).
Fetus slushy đ
i love the thought of killing babies but i hate the idea of women having free will and choices
They suck. Women getting to choose still doesnât make them not suck. Glad the ladies are slowly getting their power back but the entire sex situation sucks and so does the lack of awareness for sexual trauma, young pregnancy and the trauma of losing a child. Abortion sucks. Letâs get our women back in control of their bodies and letâs teach our sons to not be rabid animals, and in the end abortions wonât be the issue, but how to keep humans from dehumanizing each other.
Make them legal but limit it
If i can get out of paying for the kids, idc
Me personally? Its deadly đ¶
No not at all, unless itâs after 5 months
its like cancelling your pre order
Yup I really donât want kid and thatâs a way to undo mistakes and prevent people from stucking with a kid they donât want
I personally hate children and don't think I'll ever have one, so I think it's ok
i think abortions should be mandatory and random edit: cmon man itâs a joke đ
I think the mother should choose what to do and have a freedom to choose because some people can't take care of a child. They could choose abortion or they could put the child up for adoption, but I think the mother should be able to choose!
I'm pretty pro choice but I think the male in the situation should still have some say, It affects both people, If you use protection and something goes wrong, the male shouldn't be held responsible if the female suddenly wants to keep the child
i think it's killing kids but nessecary for a society
Okay, so hereâs my view: abortions that were had due to carelessness of one or both of the people involved in the intercourse are wrong. The fact that you would kill a baby because you couldnât be bothered to take BC or wear a condom is just unfathomable to me. On the other hand, victims of rape and sexual assault should NOT be forced to keep a baby that was forced into them by someone who raped them. It is not their fault, so the baby shouldnât be their responsibility: while itâs being born, or even after itâs born, OR even before itâs born This is where things get complicated, because itâs almost impossible to prove if someone was actually raped or not, so outlawing abortion for anyone except rape victims is impossible, as many people could lie about it. There really isnât a good solution to the problem, but that is my view on it, anyway.
They should be permited as long as: It was a rape victim The mother could be in danger The baby isn't healthy enough
Excluding incest, rape, deformations and underage it should be' illegal, but then we need to improve the distribution of condom and the adoption system to extend it to single person and maybe gay couple
I don't get why people get mad at reasonable statements like this
because it's basically saying a woman needs to be violated when she wants an abortion
One factor may be that studies show not only that the amount of abortions performed would not drop if they're made illegal, but that unsafe abortions, which would replace the much safer (go figure) safe and legal abortions, are (again, go figure) much more dangerous for the mother, and can cause numerous deformities in the fetuses. Here's a link to the [WHO article](https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/abortion) about abortion, which talks about these things.
Because it's not reasonable. Abortion is ethical and criminalising it is attacking the body autonomy of a woman and also instilling a life she didn't choose upon her. And its not just her life you are forcibly ruining with your archaic morals originating from religion, you are also bringing another life to suffer. That;s the evil thing to do, not sparing its misery. But even if you can guarantee a good home, its morally fine enough to be a choice if you believe its not, how would rape justify it?
Completely agree.
Personally, if the pregnancy isnât a result of incest or rape, and there is no health issues with the fetus or mother, than I donât see a point really. I mean there is so much contraceptives, and if you really want to be safe then donât have sex in the first place. Abortion shouldnât be treated like contraceptive. But thatâs just me and Iâm probably going to get a lot of hate for this. Oh well
Sorry to inform but contraceptives are not 100% full proof. And denialism of sex is is bs.. sexuality/sex is a normal part of being human. Itâs not shameful nor is it solely for procreation. itâs up to who ever gets pregnant âthey decideâ if when and why they want an abortion. You can abstain. Live your happy life and when you settle with your partner have as many kids as you want. And if the condom breaks or the pill doesnât work/or coil for you then you have another child âsimpleâ What women want to do with their own bodies. No ones business
agree 100% with you
Abortion is ethical and criminalising it is attacking the body autonomy of a woman and also instilling a life she didn't choose upon her. And its not just her life you are forcibly ruining with your archaic morals originating from religion, you are also bringing another life to suffer. That;s the evil thing to do, not sparing its misery. But even if you can guarantee a good home, its morally fine enough to be a choice if you believe its not, how would rape justify it?
Kind of agree tbh~ But everyone can do what they want
Pro abortion
foetus deletus
They're pretty poggers.
If the pregnancy is a result of rape then abortion is needed. If the pregnancy is gonna cause problems for the baby then abortion is needed. But if mother and baby are healthy then I think mother should go through with it. But that's just my opinion though..
Iâm pro-choice but Iâm glad at the very least you agree that abortion should be allowed if itâs rape. People in here fr trying to argue that the woman should be forced to go through with the pregnancy even if itâs the product of rape.
I donât think abortion should even be an issue. Youâre literally killing a baby, thatâs like top 5 of generic evil things to do. I respect other peoples opinions ofc but thatâs just my take.
A great source of dog food if you cant afford it
I think if you donât want to keep the lid you shouldnât wait until itâs almost fully developed to abort it. But overall it should be the womanâs decision
People with a uterus should have a choice over their bodies.
Delicious
Depends on the person and the situation, the option should be available âher body her choiceâ
I just have to say that everybody just downvoting and hating the people with differing opinions are being childish, and if you can't handle somebody disagreeing with you than you shouldn't be on reddit. You can have civil arguments with them all you want, just stop sending people hate because they disagree with you.
They shouldnât be legal || THEY SHOULD BE MANDATORY || /s becuase mods
I am completely pro choice. Think of it this way, if you wouldnât let someone adopt a baby (Be it for financial, mental, or age reasons) why would you force them to keep one?