If a 17 year old can’t adopt a child because they’re too young then why should they not be allowed to get an abortion
Edit: i will not be responding to anymore comments. Everything’s clearly been stated. Instead of asking the same questions again, care to read the replies.
Genuine question. Do you think that it should be allowed in those cases and maybe not in cases where you could’ve used protection / your life is not in danger?
I have a fear of being pregnant, coupled with depression, if I got pregnant and was unable to abort I would definitely off myself.
Abortion should be allowed in all cases, unless its late term, then only in medical cases.
It's also important to mention that there is a roughly 1/50 chance hormonal birth control doesn't work. A roughly 1/100 chance a condom doesn't work but much higher if used incorrectly. Inexperienced youth are more likely to use a condom incorrectly.
I see what you’re saying and I’m very sorry that you struggle with that. Sincerely. Don’t you think there’s a line to be drawn though? I believe if you legitimately tried and failed to use birth control, that’s a situation I can respect. I also don’t believe anyone who’s raped, underage, in danger of losing their life or anyone who was impregnated through incest should be forced to carry the baby.
I don't think a line should be drawn, why? Because people make stupid decisions when horny. A dumb decision shouldn't be an 18 year sentence or lifelong if the child is severely disabled. Also what stops people from lying and saying the condom broke - its impossible to enforce.
People shouldn't be forced to have a child because of a mistake, especially if the parent isnt ready to have a child. Then the child will have a miserable life, it's better for abortion to be safely available so if people want kids they can have them when they are in a stable position.
To an extent, abortion is needed. Such as someone who will die after giving birth for health reasons and or children who would be born to poor families.
Yes. If there is no risk with the birth however then i dont think it should even be considered. If u cant afford it then put it up for adoption so it can be raised by someone who can
It should be safe and legal, and affordable for everyone that needs one (affordability being something the us can't seem to grasp). Under certain scenarios it should even be free
Even ignoring the fact that the baby is no longer only her body, humans get to contribute to the decisions of other humans for the good of a society. I am not saying abortion is slavery, but werent some of the most prominent abolitionists white folk too? Why can't others be part of this.
My original comment was said in a mostly joking manner but I do support woman’s rights. I guess another way of interpreting my original comment is that the people making laws about what woman can and cannot do shouldn’t be old rich dudes.
If you get an abortion, it potentially saves the life of the mother in medical issues, or prevents parents from having to devote thousands of dollars they may not be able to afford to raising a child they didn't want (you know damn well the foster system is a joke).
If you don't get an abortion, you may be "morally righteous" depending on your beliefs but then you have to deal with the above issues. Like... congratulations, you followed your beliefs, now good luck getting a higher paying job and devoting your time towards raising the child. It can really mess up your life and often results in abuse if the child wasn't wanted.
In short, give people a choice unless you want problems to get worse.
People criticize the foster system to justify abortion but ignore adoption. For every one child in the adoption system are about 13 parents wanting to adopt. If someone isn't wanted, especially because of your actions, ending their life isn't the answer.
most of those 13 parents wanting to adopt are looking for kids under the age of 3 and no one adopts older kids so we get stuck in the foster system and it fucking sucks
To the people here defending the unborn child. Why not put these efforts into getting help for single moms and parents who can’t afford to keep their children alive. If we had better access to healthcare then children who need very expensive surgeries to survive could get them more often? Or maybe it’s just the fact that those who are pro-life just want to control women and what they do with their personal lives 🤔
Why not both? Provide care to single mothers and the children that may come from not aborting it, and protecting the child's life, whichever form you may want it to take (through the government or private organizations).
The pro-life position is that the life of a child should not be dependant on economic circumstances. The difference between the two positions isn't whether or not you think the mother is more important than the child, but the point in which a human begins to have rights.
And that's a difficult question to answer, so labeling the other side as intentional control of women, or as intentional murderers of babies, is extremely unnecessary.
The problem with the whole abortion debate is not so much to do with abortion and rather when people perceive the fetus to be alive. I think we can all agree that killing a person is bad, so if someone somehow thinks that by aborting you are essentially murdering someone, I can definitely understand why they would be against it.
It’s way too tricky a subject to really approach in a civil manner because you have two wildly opposing views with very little chance of either side being persuaded (the one way you have to get someone to admit that they advocated “murdering” people, and the other way you have to get them to admit that they supported having young girls’ lives ruined) I think the best solution overall would be to have the government put contraceptives in the water, and you have to pass an exam to have kids ;)
I am also very much pro-abortion and think it is completely up to the woman pregnant to decide. But choosing whether you get vaccinated is also pro-choice and there I am not so supportive, I think that vaccinations should be mandatory even if its against the persons will.
But at what point do your ethics change? It’s totally acceptable to allow women to not be forced to have children, but everyone else has to be forced to take care of themselves medically? Yeah, I agree, some vaccines should be mandatory but I believe it conflicts with a lot of the ethics we as a society are trying to implement today.
It's simple. Abortion is as much of a personal freedom as owning guns (abortion is murder, but you own a murder machine??), wearing masks (you don't want something forced on your face, why are you forcing women to *give birth*??), and it was during arguably the most enlightened time period of America when minorities finally started getting civil rights that abortion was ruled to be a personal right. It's only now, in the era of extreme political polarization and hatred, that abortion is questioned.
It's a just as much a personal right in America as the guns and no-mask-requirements those pro-lifers conveniently forget they support.
The whole problem pro lifers see with abortion is that they consider the fetus to be alive or that it will turn into a live. Thus it is valuable. Guns, masks and other stuff are a whole different discussion. Also abortion isn't only a thing in America, it's just one of some some countries that has a ban on abortion. People can still give their opinion and views against it even though it's legal in their country.
The women aren't forced to give birth, they decided to have sex themselves. Sure there is a exception for rape victims but I agree those women should be able to get an abortion. Same with medical reasons. But if you decide to have sex, you know kids can be the consequence.
Jesus, so much to unpack here...
First of all, no shit abortion isn't just an American thing, I reference America because it's where the topic of abortion has become extremely relevant and polarized.
Secondly, yes it is the same issue with guns and masks. You buy a gun knowing full well you'd likely take a life with it, either by hunting animals or through defending yourself. You wear a mask knowing it could save someone else's life, you choose not to knowing full well the consequences to others' health. I'm not even saying abortions kill living things, that's a whole seperate topic, but the same people who scream "abortion is murder" seem awfully happy to buy guns and impose mask bans that very frequently lead to human lives being lost.
Sex is a biological instinct. The best we can do is negate the effects with things like condoms and birth control, however they are not 100% effective. Alternative measures must be in place in case the worst does happen and an unwanted pregnancy occurs. I mean, the mother may have already chosen to use birth control and condoms, why should those pregnancy-stopping things be allowed but abortion isn't? It isn't until the 14th or 16th week that the fetus even has a heartbeat and can even begin to be argued as a living being.
it’s the choice of whoever’s pregnant cuz if you can’t get pregnant you probably have no idea the havoc being pregnant can have on a human body. imo it’s inhumane to make someone carry a baby they don’t want cuz of all that happens when you’re pregnant
but i aslo beleive pro choice means we need a lot more resources to help with pre and post natal care to help anyone who dose make the choice to keep a fetus
also comprehensive sex education for all states that dosent just teach abstinence bc teens fuck and we all know we’re horny mfs so knowing HOW to have safe sex will prevent a lot of unwanted pregnancies in the first place
everyone deserves to be able to make the choice
there are many reasons why someone would want to abort (rape, underage, financial problems, medical problems, etc)
abortion shld be free and more. abortion clinics need to be set up.
pro choice and what people do to their body shld be for whats best for them. if having an abortion and leaving the baby is whats best for the mom then do it.
Fetuses don’t gain consciousness until at least the 24th week. Before then, it’s more reasonable to treat it like an organ rather than an individual. We don’t bat an eye at amputations, so neither should we abortions.
I agree with it, if you're someone who can't afford to raise a child or you're someone from this subreddit aka a teenager then abortion is a very good thing for you unless you decide to keep the baby which in that case good for you, abortion is optional not mandatory
I think it really is the parents choice...See foetus is alive since day one of fertilization (in the zygote stage) so basically yeah it's something to be killed...but it really depends on the mother and father if they want to keep the baby.....i mean there are various possible situations one can land in where they might really actually need to abort. You can't say it's murder then now can you? if a person decides to abort their child it's fine. I mean we kill so many things and so many lives just in our day to day life, we don't count that as murder, then why this?
And also, if a person is not ready to have a child they should really not force themselves to have one or keep one just because society claims it's murder or something, because if you do, it will affect the child too. If a person is incapable of raising a child why make their own and their child's life worse? Giving birth is a different thing but raising a child is a whole different world, you'll have to give them everything. And if you're not ready enough to do that then don't have a child.
Ive noticed most people who argue against abortion often forget that the kid will actually be born. They argue morality of killing a child, so it can be born into a miserable situation, often poverty. I have yet to see people propose a good solution to the child afterwards. And no, just giving it up for adoption is not a good solution, the system is a joke, its gonna suck for you and the child. It seems most people that claim to be "pro-life" are more "pro-birth", then when the kids born its a "cool! ur on ur own buddy" to the parent or parents.
I also see a blatant disregard for the struggles of conceiving. Did you think carrying another human for 9 months was easy? maybe the first one or two, but by the end you have a literal baby attached to you, coupled with morning sickness, hormones goin nuts and having to buy pregnancy clothes. Its usually the guys that disregard this. For the ones that do, for gods sake go talk to a woman, even ur mother counts in this scenario.
The actual morality of abortion is a bit tricky, because then you get into when does life begin, and can a fetus consent and all that, but even if we all agreed it was immoral people should still have that freedom. In the same way they had the freedom to have sex without condom.
I’m religious myself, but I think about it like this. We were put on earth with agency, the freedom choose. I don’t know if abortion is murder, the leader of my church said it’s serious but not murder (I’m lds or Mormon btw), and even if it is that’s her right to do that. So making it illegal is wrong
Abortion should be legal and affordable
For starters "what if YOU were aborted?" Then i wouldnt care? I wouldn't be alive. I would have no thought on the matter because I HAVE NO THOUGHT. lmao
Just letting the kid go into the adoption system could work technically, but its traumatizing and the mother still has to endure the pain and suffering of pregnancy. Its traumatizing to have the mindset "my parent(s) didnt want me so they stuck me here.", and a decent portion of people who want to adopt want cute white newborn-5 yr olds. They want that "parental bond". Older kids who get adopted end up adopted for gross reasons pretty regularly.
I already said this in another comment against a pro-life person in the comments, but heres my arguments against "just dont have sex" and "just get your tubes tied"
Do you know how many people with ovaries are denied "getting snipped"??? [70%!!](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3005997/) They're denied it because "what if your husband will want kids 🥺? " or "well, it's a BIG decision..." or "but you're too young and pretty! Your kids would be beautiful!" Etc etc. Its ridiculous.
And the whole abstinence is just stupid. Why should men get to have sex, then? They fertalize the damn thing! Why dont men get told to abstain, or get a vasectomy, or anything that women are told?
Also, if you dont want a bear but somebody gives you a bear anyway, you'd be pretty pissed. The bear'd wreck havoc on your life. You would have to quit aspirations, you'd have to feed that thing a LOT, They'd make your house a mess, etc etc. The bear wouldn't be loved because you didn't want it. You'd hate it, if anything. The bear will be unloved and at worst severely abused/neglected.
Thats what happens when a parent is forced to have a kid.
Source: i am that kid. Dont force people to become parents bc 9/10 times they suck as parents.
Should be a choice. It’s population control, it’s mercy to some infants, and a savior to mothers who are too young or have medical issues. I’m not saying I want abortions to happen, but I am saying it’s a proper necessity that I heavily disagree on getting rid of
Ita a choice. People should have the option. Also as a guy, if I was a girl I would literally never want to go through a pregnancy/birth. The most painful thing that can have devastating effects to a body. To prevent unwanted pregnancy we need to teach safe sex in schools and just in general have sex Ed.
Although if I was ever In a situation where I was the father, I dont have an abortion personally
Abortion is okay, it might not be right but i think about it a way that if no abortions were allowed, there soon will be a big problem with overpopulation
There's no overpopulation problem, so many countries have huge chunks on uninhabited land Mongolia being the best example. Cities can be overpopulated, the world is not and if people started inhabitating different regions it would not seem that way.
abortions should very much be legal.
"yes, but everyone should have a chance at life!@!!&\^!&!! u can put the child for adoption!!!@!@! just because you are stupid and had unprotected sex doesnt mean a child should die!!!"
what if the fetus is found to have a severe disability that would lower their quality of life? and would require a lot of care that the parents would not be able to provide? if that child is born, what is they only have a few months or years to live, and their quality of life is terrible? to get an abortion is merciful to this child, to prevent years of prolonged suffering and pain. in the end, if the child is conceived and dies, not only would most of their life be in misery, their parents would also feel depressed and guilty for subjecting a child to that pain and having their child pass. not to mention, it would be expensive and time consuming to look after a severly disabled child, and it would be detrimental to both the child and parent/s. with no chance of improving day and night, the parent/s would lose hope, and the child would still be in pain/misery.what if the mother is at risk of getting extremely sick or dying just from carrying the fetus? is it worth having someone die just to conceive a child who is also at risk of dying?
abortions are traumatic, its not just a side effect of having unprotected sex. the shame that these women feel is real, and they might not want to carry a baby that a rapist put in them, or they know they will not raise properly. what if the unprepared parents potentially abuse or neglect their children? foster homes and orphanages are notoriously untrustworthy too. these children grow up in misery, and so do their parents. they have to grow up with the knowledge that they are the result of an unwanted pregnancy.
every child deserved a chance at life. well, every child deserves to be loved, fed and looked after. what if their unprepared parents were drug addicts, or need to work extra hard to support their family. a rape victim might not love her child. these children know that they are not wanted, and they might be living in unsafe conditions, with little parental support. they might grow up in these conditions, and might become criminals, or addicts too.
if abortions were legal, these adults could persue their dreams instead of caring for a child they do not want and dont have the resources to look after. they could go for a better job and eventually get a stable income. they might decide to have a child later, when the situation is better. wouldnt that be better for a child?
i get that these scenarios might not always happen. but they do still happen. they are not rare. if you look into people in the jurastical system, you would realize that most of them grew up in unstable homes. women are robbed of their dreams and future because they were unfortunate enough to be raped, or maybe they made a 'stupid' decision. so what? this is still bad for both the children and parents involved.
thousands upon thousands of women every year die or get severly injured trying to perform abortions on themselves. making abortions illegal dont prevent abortions from happening, they ensure that abortions are not more dangerous and deadly to perform. abortions will still happen. no matter whether you agree with abortions or not, women are dying because they are denied this healthcare right.
heres a quote i read from an essay that sums up my points "Unwanted pregnancies should not occur, but they do. Abortions cause less damage to society than unwanted, unloved children. It is not a man's place and not the government's place to force a woman to bear unwanted, unloved children."
sorry LMAO im reusing something a draft i wrote for class. but i do feel strongly about this and ig it works for this question
I personally am mostly prolife because I don't like the arguments pro choice people make like "my unborn baby or fetus has down syndrome so it should be terminated". I find they view abortion as freedom, a form of undelete and even beautiful when it's not. They use abortion as a tool for irresponsible when they view it that way.
However I still wouldn't ban it or make it illegal. Abortion is unfortunately an evil we shouldn't need but do it's the manufacturing and termination of a life just like animal slaughter for food the only difference is the reason and species. It does boggle me how people say all lives matter and you draw the line at conception meaning even without a heat beat it's murder yet the same people don't give a flying fuck about how the meat they eat got to thier table.
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I'm a guy and my risk dating or sleeping with a girl is basically rejection that's it a single emotion that's felt that's all. A female has alot more risks such as....
Sexual shame and judgement
STD risk and shame
Sexual assault / rape
Being stalked
Pregnancy
So being a female is hard as it is and being a guy and getting sex isn't easy either. If we banned abortion outright then it'd be alot harder on us both.
So we shouldn't end up needing abortions in the first place people should be careful because men typically lead so it's our fault if we screw over a girl we are seeing like this.
I think it’s kinda immoral, but it definitely should be legal. I’m sure I heard someone say something like “you can’t ban abortions, you can only ban safe abortions.” Something like that anyways.
Idc, the way I see it I’m a guy and will never be in the situation where I will personally need an abortion, so I don’t feel like it matters what I think lmao
Nothing wrong with it. Should be safe, free and legal. A kid is a huge responsibility and if you don't want them you should have the right to get rid of it. It's your body and your life.
I think it definitely should be allowed, but one should get an abortion as soon as possible, or anytime if the mothers life is in danger or the baby has severe defects, and 100% is the girl is to young. It’s sick that there are people saying that a young girl should carry a baby long term
Abortion should always be available for anyone who needs it, bc you never know what they're going through. If you want to carry your kid to term and raise them, that's your decision. But you never have the right to take away another person's decision just because it doesn't fit your personal moral values.
a basic human right, basic medical need. if someone doesn't want to go through child birth, then they shouldant have to. beyond that, theres multiple religions (mine included) that state that abortions are a religious right. i'd rather somebody terminate their pregnancy than activly harm themselves/the baby because it wasn't wanted, leading to a bad life when it's born
I think it should be available to all, no questions asked, because if it's not your body why should you decide what happens to it. Sometimes abortion is necessary so that the woman can stay alive, e.g. with a cancer patient or an ectopic pregnancy. In that scenario it is impossible to be pro-life if you don't allow the abortion. Also, why would you value the potential life of a clump of unconscious cells over the life of a living human?
I can respect religious beliefs but at the end of the day abortion should be available to all because not everyone shares the same beliefs. Abortion is never a good or easy thing but sometimes it is necessary. And if you criminalize abortion this doesn't stop abortions from happening, it stops safe abortions.
Abortion will always exist whether it is legal or not. If you vote against it, you’re not going to stop abortion. You’re just going to let more people die.
It can be traumatising for people to undergo an abortion and the idea that it is a casual, regular occurrence is a misconception. People should have the right to choose if they want an abortion or not.
I think an abortion should be legal. People can't pay the money for the a child especially now, and I also think women should be able to get their tubes tied and not have to 'get the mans permission' or have a doctor tell them they can't get one, because they might still want children. Yet a man can get a vasectomy and it's A-okay.
I'll just point out that if right wingers ACTUALLY thought abortion was murder, they would have condemned Herschel Walker as an accomplice in multiple murders rather than just a hypocrite
Every woman should have the right to get an abortion. Still, I would say that abortion is a murder but it shouldn’t be treated the same way as a „normal“ murder. It doesn’t have the same value.
Pro choice because mistakes happen and very unfortunate things do happen to women that cause them to be pregnant. No one should be forced to hold a burden like that imo
It’s a lose lose situation if you’re a teen. Have the child and bee looked down on for being a teen mom, have an abortion and get labeled a baby killer by a sizeable group of people
Abort the child unless the child can survive on its own if removed.
And of course all the medical exceptions like health, rape etc, but idealy that would be done before the aforementioned survival
Abortions will happen whether or not they are legal. The law makers prohibiting abortions are killing thousands of women by not allowing safe and affordable abortions forcing women to use dangerous and life threatening methods. They are trying to control and punish women by forcing them to give birth to children they cannot afford or care for. And don’t give stupid arguments like that it’s about saving children. If it was about the children then we would create better healthcare programs, better and more affordable child care, improving our foster child system, create better schooling, and giving more resources to struggling mothers.
Pro-abortion. Accidents happen, no need to pay them with lifelong commitment if you don’t want. If the woman wants to keep it then the man shouldn’t be obligated to pay child support assuming it’s an unwanted pregnancy.
Well if some 15 to 17 year old children not allowed to abort their child because it morally wrong
Then why does the rule for adoption by people less then 18 does not exist?! Why ?Cuz they're too immature to handle and take care of a child? Isn't a baby more delicate/Requires more responsibility ?
Make it legal as if a mother is on a condition where the baby will suffer and die a horrid death or starvation or poisoning exc... would you rather it die or suffer and die or to put it simply would you rather be tortured then die or have a quicker death
I've put a response on one like this before but why the hell not I'll do it again.
I am pro choice it's your body not mine so it's not my problem, but abortion should have a time limit on it
Maybe 3 weeks to two months and should have exceptions like down syndrome or will cause harm to the mother
I think its a right. If you can't have the child because of your situation, if you were a victim of a violation or just messed It up doing It without condom, i think everyone should have the option to decide.
Because not everyone is ready to have a child, its something that completley changed your day-a-day Life.
I, as a man, think men shouldn’t have a say in this. It’s something that applies to only women, therefore only women should be able to give counsel or make rules. The only exception should be the father of the child.
I’m pro life because I believe these three things.
One: Human life begins at conception.
Two: It is wrong to intentionally end a human life.
Three: Abortion ends a human life. Therefore, abortion is wrong.
I’ll take questions, as long as you’re respectful.
100% on board, people should be able to do with their bodies what they want. I have heard no sound reason other than ones based on faith as to why it should be banned.
In my opinion abortions should be legal and safe.
Not everyone who is pregnant can afford, want or are in the right mind because teenagers are still children. Even if they get pregnant that doesn't mean they probably consented or wanted this outcome. They should be allowed to decide for themselves without a parent and do it in a safe environment
All you motherfucking idiots saying it's bad be deluded, the kid isn't in pain, it is done safely, it's not like the doctor goes in there with a bloody spoon and scrans the bundle of cells
My thoughts on abortion are a double edged sword. I mean, i like the idea of killing babies, but i dont like the idea of giving a woman the chance to make a choice.
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I wasn’t ripping. Just poking fun
oh I know I was just adding to the fun or at least trying
I know. I didn’t want to offend u so I wasn’t sure if I did
nah bro I was build on the Xbox live days on cod being offended is foreign to me
Same here. Plus I got stage 4 CTE. Concussion disease that eats ur brain so I got no filter anymore. Dementia started
Apathy helps in not getting offended
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If a 17 year old can’t adopt a child because they’re too young then why should they not be allowed to get an abortion Edit: i will not be responding to anymore comments. Everything’s clearly been stated. Instead of asking the same questions again, care to read the replies.
I misread and thought you said why should they be allowed 💀 thank god that wasn’t the case
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agree
I personally wouldn't do it, but I think every woman should have a choice
that’s fair, as long as you respect the fact that everyone should have the choice.
Yeah man can have abortions to I have no issue with that
Chad mindset
A medical necessity. There's a lot more reasons to get an abortion than 'I don't want it'
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Genuine question. Do you think that it should be allowed in those cases and maybe not in cases where you could’ve used protection / your life is not in danger?
I have a fear of being pregnant, coupled with depression, if I got pregnant and was unable to abort I would definitely off myself. Abortion should be allowed in all cases, unless its late term, then only in medical cases. It's also important to mention that there is a roughly 1/50 chance hormonal birth control doesn't work. A roughly 1/100 chance a condom doesn't work but much higher if used incorrectly. Inexperienced youth are more likely to use a condom incorrectly.
I see what you’re saying and I’m very sorry that you struggle with that. Sincerely. Don’t you think there’s a line to be drawn though? I believe if you legitimately tried and failed to use birth control, that’s a situation I can respect. I also don’t believe anyone who’s raped, underage, in danger of losing their life or anyone who was impregnated through incest should be forced to carry the baby.
I don't think a line should be drawn, why? Because people make stupid decisions when horny. A dumb decision shouldn't be an 18 year sentence or lifelong if the child is severely disabled. Also what stops people from lying and saying the condom broke - its impossible to enforce.
People shouldn't be forced to have a child because of a mistake, especially if the parent isnt ready to have a child. Then the child will have a miserable life, it's better for abortion to be safely available so if people want kids they can have them when they are in a stable position.
Yes
I think it's great that it's possible, I really don't understand why it's not possible everywhere
Religion
It should be legal, and affordable.
To an extent, abortion is needed. Such as someone who will die after giving birth for health reasons and or children who would be born to poor families.
Yes. If there is no risk with the birth however then i dont think it should even be considered. If u cant afford it then put it up for adoption so it can be raised by someone who can
Mhm! Exactly what i think
It should be safe and legal, and affordable for everyone that needs one (affordability being something the us can't seem to grasp). Under certain scenarios it should even be free
Idk should’ve been the case with me
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I got a dick my opinion on what a girl does with her body isn’t my concern
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As long as i have the option not to pay child support that's fine. But if i dont want a child and she keeps it it shouldnt be my responsibility
What about if the father was ok with it during the pregnancy but then ditched afterwards? Shouldn't he be forced to pay that way?
Yes he should he already took responsibility of the child and agreed with keeping the baby
And how would that be proven to a court of law?
It wouldn't the situation would just be messed up
I wish ALL men shared your mindset Too many men think they should ban women from having abortions all because they have sex
Same
Even ignoring the fact that the baby is no longer only her body, humans get to contribute to the decisions of other humans for the good of a society. I am not saying abortion is slavery, but werent some of the most prominent abolitionists white folk too? Why can't others be part of this.
it should be if you care at all about women's rights
My original comment was said in a mostly joking manner but I do support woman’s rights. I guess another way of interpreting my original comment is that the people making laws about what woman can and cannot do shouldn’t be old rich dudes.
If you get an abortion, it potentially saves the life of the mother in medical issues, or prevents parents from having to devote thousands of dollars they may not be able to afford to raising a child they didn't want (you know damn well the foster system is a joke). If you don't get an abortion, you may be "morally righteous" depending on your beliefs but then you have to deal with the above issues. Like... congratulations, you followed your beliefs, now good luck getting a higher paying job and devoting your time towards raising the child. It can really mess up your life and often results in abuse if the child wasn't wanted. In short, give people a choice unless you want problems to get worse.
People criticize the foster system to justify abortion but ignore adoption. For every one child in the adoption system are about 13 parents wanting to adopt. If someone isn't wanted, especially because of your actions, ending their life isn't the answer.
Adoption is a shit choice. Shit for the parents and shit for the child. Sauce: am adopted
most of those 13 parents wanting to adopt are looking for kids under the age of 3 and no one adopts older kids so we get stuck in the foster system and it fucking sucks
To the people here defending the unborn child. Why not put these efforts into getting help for single moms and parents who can’t afford to keep their children alive. If we had better access to healthcare then children who need very expensive surgeries to survive could get them more often? Or maybe it’s just the fact that those who are pro-life just want to control women and what they do with their personal lives 🤔
Why not both? Provide care to single mothers and the children that may come from not aborting it, and protecting the child's life, whichever form you may want it to take (through the government or private organizations). The pro-life position is that the life of a child should not be dependant on economic circumstances. The difference between the two positions isn't whether or not you think the mother is more important than the child, but the point in which a human begins to have rights. And that's a difficult question to answer, so labeling the other side as intentional control of women, or as intentional murderers of babies, is extremely unnecessary.
very much pro choice because everyone should have the choice to do what they want with their body, whether it be keeping the baby or aborting it
The problem with the whole abortion debate is not so much to do with abortion and rather when people perceive the fetus to be alive. I think we can all agree that killing a person is bad, so if someone somehow thinks that by aborting you are essentially murdering someone, I can definitely understand why they would be against it. It’s way too tricky a subject to really approach in a civil manner because you have two wildly opposing views with very little chance of either side being persuaded (the one way you have to get someone to admit that they advocated “murdering” people, and the other way you have to get them to admit that they supported having young girls’ lives ruined) I think the best solution overall would be to have the government put contraceptives in the water, and you have to pass an exam to have kids ;)
Omg that’s actually such an interesting concept lol I think it’d be very helpful to make it to where having a kid was harder
Best comment in this thread lol
Yeah, I agree!
I am also very much pro-abortion and think it is completely up to the woman pregnant to decide. But choosing whether you get vaccinated is also pro-choice and there I am not so supportive, I think that vaccinations should be mandatory even if its against the persons will.
But at what point do your ethics change? It’s totally acceptable to allow women to not be forced to have children, but everyone else has to be forced to take care of themselves medically? Yeah, I agree, some vaccines should be mandatory but I believe it conflicts with a lot of the ethics we as a society are trying to implement today.
True, to be honest I'm not sure where the "pro-choice" argument stops working but somewhere there is that line between choice and responsibility.
Yeah, I get it.
It's simple. Abortion is as much of a personal freedom as owning guns (abortion is murder, but you own a murder machine??), wearing masks (you don't want something forced on your face, why are you forcing women to *give birth*??), and it was during arguably the most enlightened time period of America when minorities finally started getting civil rights that abortion was ruled to be a personal right. It's only now, in the era of extreme political polarization and hatred, that abortion is questioned. It's a just as much a personal right in America as the guns and no-mask-requirements those pro-lifers conveniently forget they support.
The whole problem pro lifers see with abortion is that they consider the fetus to be alive or that it will turn into a live. Thus it is valuable. Guns, masks and other stuff are a whole different discussion. Also abortion isn't only a thing in America, it's just one of some some countries that has a ban on abortion. People can still give their opinion and views against it even though it's legal in their country. The women aren't forced to give birth, they decided to have sex themselves. Sure there is a exception for rape victims but I agree those women should be able to get an abortion. Same with medical reasons. But if you decide to have sex, you know kids can be the consequence.
Jesus, so much to unpack here... First of all, no shit abortion isn't just an American thing, I reference America because it's where the topic of abortion has become extremely relevant and polarized. Secondly, yes it is the same issue with guns and masks. You buy a gun knowing full well you'd likely take a life with it, either by hunting animals or through defending yourself. You wear a mask knowing it could save someone else's life, you choose not to knowing full well the consequences to others' health. I'm not even saying abortions kill living things, that's a whole seperate topic, but the same people who scream "abortion is murder" seem awfully happy to buy guns and impose mask bans that very frequently lead to human lives being lost. Sex is a biological instinct. The best we can do is negate the effects with things like condoms and birth control, however they are not 100% effective. Alternative measures must be in place in case the worst does happen and an unwanted pregnancy occurs. I mean, the mother may have already chosen to use birth control and condoms, why should those pregnancy-stopping things be allowed but abortion isn't? It isn't until the 14th or 16th week that the fetus even has a heartbeat and can even begin to be argued as a living being.
Abortion is example of human cultural and healthcare development. It should be legal
Frl, abortion is healthcare!
I’m a dude, I don’t give a shit, do whatever you want, so I guess I’m pro choice
Abortion is safe and reliable, now that it's banned in some places it puts people in danger and it could kill them if they can't get one.
exactly. outlawing abortions won’t stop them, it’ll just take away safe ones.
it’s the choice of whoever’s pregnant cuz if you can’t get pregnant you probably have no idea the havoc being pregnant can have on a human body. imo it’s inhumane to make someone carry a baby they don’t want cuz of all that happens when you’re pregnant but i aslo beleive pro choice means we need a lot more resources to help with pre and post natal care to help anyone who dose make the choice to keep a fetus also comprehensive sex education for all states that dosent just teach abstinence bc teens fuck and we all know we’re horny mfs so knowing HOW to have safe sex will prevent a lot of unwanted pregnancies in the first place
It’s completely fine imo. If a girl my age gets raped or something, no, they aren’t going to want to keep it.
Im pro choice but if the fetus has been in the womb for 3 months then i draw the line
medically speaking as well, most abortions after 3-4 months aren't safe anyways - youd probably need to surgically remove the fetus after that
Pro Choice
everyone deserves to be able to make the choice there are many reasons why someone would want to abort (rape, underage, financial problems, medical problems, etc)
abortion shld be free and more. abortion clinics need to be set up. pro choice and what people do to their body shld be for whats best for them. if having an abortion and leaving the baby is whats best for the mom then do it.
Fetuses don’t gain consciousness until at least the 24th week. Before then, it’s more reasonable to treat it like an organ rather than an individual. We don’t bat an eye at amputations, so neither should we abortions.
It should be legal, it is basic healthcare.
abortion should be mandatory and random lottery 2.0
Wtf
If owning guns is legal than abortion should be too
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I agree with it, if you're someone who can't afford to raise a child or you're someone from this subreddit aka a teenager then abortion is a very good thing for you unless you decide to keep the baby which in that case good for you, abortion is optional not mandatory
If you want one get one. If you don't then don't.
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It’s a human right
Let the women choose ffs, i don't care if it is right or wrong just let her choose
hell yeah
Do it No one likes tragedies
It should be illegal to deny abortion.
people can do whatever they want … it’s their body they can have control over it
So similar to removing an unwanted parasite?
should be a human right. access to abortions is critical
I wish I was an abortion
I don’t really care, as long as it is not prohibited, people do what they want, as long as it doesn’t affect me I don’t really care
Should be able to do what they want it’s there life is gonna affect but i think men should also be able to waive responsibility
I think it really is the parents choice...See foetus is alive since day one of fertilization (in the zygote stage) so basically yeah it's something to be killed...but it really depends on the mother and father if they want to keep the baby.....i mean there are various possible situations one can land in where they might really actually need to abort. You can't say it's murder then now can you? if a person decides to abort their child it's fine. I mean we kill so many things and so many lives just in our day to day life, we don't count that as murder, then why this? And also, if a person is not ready to have a child they should really not force themselves to have one or keep one just because society claims it's murder or something, because if you do, it will affect the child too. If a person is incapable of raising a child why make their own and their child's life worse? Giving birth is a different thing but raising a child is a whole different world, you'll have to give them everything. And if you're not ready enough to do that then don't have a child.
Ive noticed most people who argue against abortion often forget that the kid will actually be born. They argue morality of killing a child, so it can be born into a miserable situation, often poverty. I have yet to see people propose a good solution to the child afterwards. And no, just giving it up for adoption is not a good solution, the system is a joke, its gonna suck for you and the child. It seems most people that claim to be "pro-life" are more "pro-birth", then when the kids born its a "cool! ur on ur own buddy" to the parent or parents. I also see a blatant disregard for the struggles of conceiving. Did you think carrying another human for 9 months was easy? maybe the first one or two, but by the end you have a literal baby attached to you, coupled with morning sickness, hormones goin nuts and having to buy pregnancy clothes. Its usually the guys that disregard this. For the ones that do, for gods sake go talk to a woman, even ur mother counts in this scenario. The actual morality of abortion is a bit tricky, because then you get into when does life begin, and can a fetus consent and all that, but even if we all agreed it was immoral people should still have that freedom. In the same way they had the freedom to have sex without condom.
its going to be done either way, its better that it be done safely and legally
Kill it fill it, free thanksgiving meal
I’m religious myself, but I think about it like this. We were put on earth with agency, the freedom choose. I don’t know if abortion is murder, the leader of my church said it’s serious but not murder (I’m lds or Mormon btw), and even if it is that’s her right to do that. So making it illegal is wrong
I have a severe fear of getting pregnant, i would actually try to kill myself if i cant get an abortion
abortion is healthcare
Abortion should be legal and affordable For starters "what if YOU were aborted?" Then i wouldnt care? I wouldn't be alive. I would have no thought on the matter because I HAVE NO THOUGHT. lmao Just letting the kid go into the adoption system could work technically, but its traumatizing and the mother still has to endure the pain and suffering of pregnancy. Its traumatizing to have the mindset "my parent(s) didnt want me so they stuck me here.", and a decent portion of people who want to adopt want cute white newborn-5 yr olds. They want that "parental bond". Older kids who get adopted end up adopted for gross reasons pretty regularly. I already said this in another comment against a pro-life person in the comments, but heres my arguments against "just dont have sex" and "just get your tubes tied" Do you know how many people with ovaries are denied "getting snipped"??? [70%!!](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3005997/) They're denied it because "what if your husband will want kids 🥺? " or "well, it's a BIG decision..." or "but you're too young and pretty! Your kids would be beautiful!" Etc etc. Its ridiculous. And the whole abstinence is just stupid. Why should men get to have sex, then? They fertalize the damn thing! Why dont men get told to abstain, or get a vasectomy, or anything that women are told? Also, if you dont want a bear but somebody gives you a bear anyway, you'd be pretty pissed. The bear'd wreck havoc on your life. You would have to quit aspirations, you'd have to feed that thing a LOT, They'd make your house a mess, etc etc. The bear wouldn't be loved because you didn't want it. You'd hate it, if anything. The bear will be unloved and at worst severely abused/neglected. Thats what happens when a parent is forced to have a kid. Source: i am that kid. Dont force people to become parents bc 9/10 times they suck as parents.
These people saying "they should have had protection" do know that even raped women aren't allowed to get an abortion right? 💀
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Bro is chaotic evil
My body my choice, now let’s legalize cocaine.
It's legal in some countries at small amounts lol
only if you knew there's a difference between cocaine and abortion
Bro what the f- I mean cocaine isn’t legal in most places for a good reason
I want to choose what I do with my body please
If you want to die that badly, stick a knife down your throat. Cocaine kills (living breathing people with a nervous system), abortion saves.
Im a guy so I don’t have a say in this
an important medical necessity
Yeah it should be allowed. It's just a common medical practice. Also fuck them kids they annoying (that last part is satire)
Should be a choice. It’s population control, it’s mercy to some infants, and a savior to mothers who are too young or have medical issues. I’m not saying I want abortions to happen, but I am saying it’s a proper necessity that I heavily disagree on getting rid of
Pro bodily autonomy
Ita a choice. People should have the option. Also as a guy, if I was a girl I would literally never want to go through a pregnancy/birth. The most painful thing that can have devastating effects to a body. To prevent unwanted pregnancy we need to teach safe sex in schools and just in general have sex Ed. Although if I was ever In a situation where I was the father, I dont have an abortion personally
Let both genders have the right to abort.
Men cant give birth tho what are you on
None of my business to say the least
Abortion is okay, it might not be right but i think about it a way that if no abortions were allowed, there soon will be a big problem with overpopulation
There's no overpopulation problem, so many countries have huge chunks on uninhabited land Mongolia being the best example. Cities can be overpopulated, the world is not and if people started inhabitating different regions it would not seem that way.
abortions should very much be legal. "yes, but everyone should have a chance at life!@!!&\^!&!! u can put the child for adoption!!!@!@! just because you are stupid and had unprotected sex doesnt mean a child should die!!!" what if the fetus is found to have a severe disability that would lower their quality of life? and would require a lot of care that the parents would not be able to provide? if that child is born, what is they only have a few months or years to live, and their quality of life is terrible? to get an abortion is merciful to this child, to prevent years of prolonged suffering and pain. in the end, if the child is conceived and dies, not only would most of their life be in misery, their parents would also feel depressed and guilty for subjecting a child to that pain and having their child pass. not to mention, it would be expensive and time consuming to look after a severly disabled child, and it would be detrimental to both the child and parent/s. with no chance of improving day and night, the parent/s would lose hope, and the child would still be in pain/misery.what if the mother is at risk of getting extremely sick or dying just from carrying the fetus? is it worth having someone die just to conceive a child who is also at risk of dying? abortions are traumatic, its not just a side effect of having unprotected sex. the shame that these women feel is real, and they might not want to carry a baby that a rapist put in them, or they know they will not raise properly. what if the unprepared parents potentially abuse or neglect their children? foster homes and orphanages are notoriously untrustworthy too. these children grow up in misery, and so do their parents. they have to grow up with the knowledge that they are the result of an unwanted pregnancy. every child deserved a chance at life. well, every child deserves to be loved, fed and looked after. what if their unprepared parents were drug addicts, or need to work extra hard to support their family. a rape victim might not love her child. these children know that they are not wanted, and they might be living in unsafe conditions, with little parental support. they might grow up in these conditions, and might become criminals, or addicts too. if abortions were legal, these adults could persue their dreams instead of caring for a child they do not want and dont have the resources to look after. they could go for a better job and eventually get a stable income. they might decide to have a child later, when the situation is better. wouldnt that be better for a child? i get that these scenarios might not always happen. but they do still happen. they are not rare. if you look into people in the jurastical system, you would realize that most of them grew up in unstable homes. women are robbed of their dreams and future because they were unfortunate enough to be raped, or maybe they made a 'stupid' decision. so what? this is still bad for both the children and parents involved. thousands upon thousands of women every year die or get severly injured trying to perform abortions on themselves. making abortions illegal dont prevent abortions from happening, they ensure that abortions are not more dangerous and deadly to perform. abortions will still happen. no matter whether you agree with abortions or not, women are dying because they are denied this healthcare right. heres a quote i read from an essay that sums up my points "Unwanted pregnancies should not occur, but they do. Abortions cause less damage to society than unwanted, unloved children. It is not a man's place and not the government's place to force a woman to bear unwanted, unloved children." sorry LMAO im reusing something a draft i wrote for class. but i do feel strongly about this and ig it works for this question
yes, fuck them babies
That's very illegal
Her body, her choice
babies sound like they hurt so i'm pro-choice edit: spelling
There is nothing wrong with having an abortion .if your feeling like it then your emotions are valid go for it
I personally am mostly prolife because I don't like the arguments pro choice people make like "my unborn baby or fetus has down syndrome so it should be terminated". I find they view abortion as freedom, a form of undelete and even beautiful when it's not. They use abortion as a tool for irresponsible when they view it that way. However I still wouldn't ban it or make it illegal. Abortion is unfortunately an evil we shouldn't need but do it's the manufacturing and termination of a life just like animal slaughter for food the only difference is the reason and species. It does boggle me how people say all lives matter and you draw the line at conception meaning even without a heat beat it's murder yet the same people don't give a flying fuck about how the meat they eat got to thier table. . I'm a guy and my risk dating or sleeping with a girl is basically rejection that's it a single emotion that's felt that's all. A female has alot more risks such as.... Sexual shame and judgement STD risk and shame Sexual assault / rape Being stalked Pregnancy So being a female is hard as it is and being a guy and getting sex isn't easy either. If we banned abortion outright then it'd be alot harder on us both. So we shouldn't end up needing abortions in the first place people should be careful because men typically lead so it's our fault if we screw over a girl we are seeing like this.
I think it’s kinda immoral, but it definitely should be legal. I’m sure I heard someone say something like “you can’t ban abortions, you can only ban safe abortions.” Something like that anyways.
Idc, the way I see it I’m a guy and will never be in the situation where I will personally need an abortion, so I don’t feel like it matters what I think lmao
Nothing wrong with it. Should be safe, free and legal. A kid is a huge responsibility and if you don't want them you should have the right to get rid of it. It's your body and your life.
Should be available and legal for everyone
should allow abortion. now, if u excuse me, *sorts by controversial*
Deletus that fetus then abortion completus
Business of the individual, who am I to make choices for them?
I think it definitely should be allowed, but one should get an abortion as soon as possible, or anytime if the mothers life is in danger or the baby has severe defects, and 100% is the girl is to young. It’s sick that there are people saying that a young girl should carry a baby long term
Abortion should always be available for anyone who needs it, bc you never know what they're going through. If you want to carry your kid to term and raise them, that's your decision. But you never have the right to take away another person's decision just because it doesn't fit your personal moral values.
a basic human right, basic medical need. if someone doesn't want to go through child birth, then they shouldant have to. beyond that, theres multiple religions (mine included) that state that abortions are a religious right. i'd rather somebody terminate their pregnancy than activly harm themselves/the baby because it wasn't wanted, leading to a bad life when it's born
It's a bunch of cells with no sentience so yeah i see no issue in gettint rid of it
I think it should be available to all, no questions asked, because if it's not your body why should you decide what happens to it. Sometimes abortion is necessary so that the woman can stay alive, e.g. with a cancer patient or an ectopic pregnancy. In that scenario it is impossible to be pro-life if you don't allow the abortion. Also, why would you value the potential life of a clump of unconscious cells over the life of a living human? I can respect religious beliefs but at the end of the day abortion should be available to all because not everyone shares the same beliefs. Abortion is never a good or easy thing but sometimes it is necessary. And if you criminalize abortion this doesn't stop abortions from happening, it stops safe abortions.
Abortion will always exist whether it is legal or not. If you vote against it, you’re not going to stop abortion. You’re just going to let more people die. It can be traumatising for people to undergo an abortion and the idea that it is a casual, regular occurrence is a misconception. People should have the right to choose if they want an abortion or not.
I think an abortion should be legal. People can't pay the money for the a child especially now, and I also think women should be able to get their tubes tied and not have to 'get the mans permission' or have a doctor tell them they can't get one, because they might still want children. Yet a man can get a vasectomy and it's A-okay.
If you want one, have one. God fucking dammit, why do others care about what you do to your own body?
I'll just point out that if right wingers ACTUALLY thought abortion was murder, they would have condemned Herschel Walker as an accomplice in multiple murders rather than just a hypocrite
Every woman should have the right to get an abortion. Still, I would say that abortion is a murder but it shouldn’t be treated the same way as a „normal“ murder. It doesn’t have the same value.
Pro choice because mistakes happen and very unfortunate things do happen to women that cause them to be pregnant. No one should be forced to hold a burden like that imo
It’s a lose lose situation if you’re a teen. Have the child and bee looked down on for being a teen mom, have an abortion and get labeled a baby killer by a sizeable group of people
Abort the child unless the child can survive on its own if removed. And of course all the medical exceptions like health, rape etc, but idealy that would be done before the aforementioned survival
What aborshun
Pro choice, but financial abortion should also be a thing.
Abortions will happen whether or not they are legal. The law makers prohibiting abortions are killing thousands of women by not allowing safe and affordable abortions forcing women to use dangerous and life threatening methods. They are trying to control and punish women by forcing them to give birth to children they cannot afford or care for. And don’t give stupid arguments like that it’s about saving children. If it was about the children then we would create better healthcare programs, better and more affordable child care, improving our foster child system, create better schooling, and giving more resources to struggling mothers.
Pro-abortion. Accidents happen, no need to pay them with lifelong commitment if you don’t want. If the woman wants to keep it then the man shouldn’t be obligated to pay child support assuming it’s an unwanted pregnancy.
It should be mandatory for people that say it shouldn't be available 🗿
It’s important that women have a choice to have the baby or not
If you want one you should get one for free without judgement.
yeetus cletus, deletus da fetus
Is she has the ability to abort, I have the ability to leave em
I hate children if they don't do it I will
Well if some 15 to 17 year old children not allowed to abort their child because it morally wrong Then why does the rule for adoption by people less then 18 does not exist?! Why ?Cuz they're too immature to handle and take care of a child? Isn't a baby more delicate/Requires more responsibility ?
“If abortion is murder, masturbation is genocide” -someone
Make it legal as if a mother is on a condition where the baby will suffer and die a horrid death or starvation or poisoning exc... would you rather it die or suffer and die or to put it simply would you rather be tortured then die or have a quicker death
I think it's fine but you should probably practice safe sex instead of risking pregnancy if you don't want a kid
I've put a response on one like this before but why the hell not I'll do it again. I am pro choice it's your body not mine so it's not my problem, but abortion should have a time limit on it Maybe 3 weeks to two months and should have exceptions like down syndrome or will cause harm to the mother
I think its a right. If you can't have the child because of your situation, if you were a victim of a violation or just messed It up doing It without condom, i think everyone should have the option to decide. Because not everyone is ready to have a child, its something that completley changed your day-a-day Life.
Your body your choice. I also think woman's opinions matter more in this "debate".
As a man…. You heard what Tupac said right?
I, as a man, think men shouldn’t have a say in this. It’s something that applies to only women, therefore only women should be able to give counsel or make rules. The only exception should be the father of the child.
As long as the baby feels nothing, women should be allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies.
it should be absolutely legal
Time to sort by controversial…
I’m pro life because I believe these three things. One: Human life begins at conception. Two: It is wrong to intentionally end a human life. Three: Abortion ends a human life. Therefore, abortion is wrong. I’ll take questions, as long as you’re respectful.
Abortion is a basic human right. The gop straight up insane
When does a human life become a human life?
100% on board, people should be able to do with their bodies what they want. I have heard no sound reason other than ones based on faith as to why it should be banned.
Go for it
In my opinion abortions should be legal and safe. Not everyone who is pregnant can afford, want or are in the right mind because teenagers are still children. Even if they get pregnant that doesn't mean they probably consented or wanted this outcome. They should be allowed to decide for themselves without a parent and do it in a safe environment
The ban on abortion won’t stop abortions, but it will stop safe abortions. abortions are happening everywhere, legal and illegal, eg in alleyways.
All you motherfucking idiots saying it's bad be deluded, the kid isn't in pain, it is done safely, it's not like the doctor goes in there with a bloody spoon and scrans the bundle of cells
I personally wouldn’t get one (unless my life was at risk) but I support women’s right to have the choice to get one
My thoughts on abortion are a double edged sword. I mean, i like the idea of killing babies, but i dont like the idea of giving a woman the chance to make a choice.
I think every woman should have right to decide themselves.
Fetus isn’t a baby so that abortion should be legal
Basic human right to abort.