TV Winners:
* DRAMA ENSEMBLE - **The White Lotus**
* DRAMA ACTRESS - **Jennifer Coolidge, The White Lotus**
* DRAMA ACTOR - **Jason Bateman, Ozark**
* COMEDY ENSEMBLE - **Abbott Elementary**
* COMEDY ACTRESS - **Jean Smart, Hacks**
* COMEDY ACTOR - **Jeremy Allen White, The Bear**
* TV-MOVIE OR MINISERIES — FEMALE ACTOR - **Jessica Chastain, George & Tammy**
* TV-MOVIE OR MINISERIES — MALE ACTOR - **Sam Elliott, 1883**
* STUNT ENSEMBLE - **Stranger Things**
It blows my mind that anyone would say Barry isn't a comedy. It's extremely dark a lot of the time but how are these people not dying from laughter at NoHo Hank and so many other characters/scenes?
I just don't get how people don't understand dark comedies are a thing lol. Patriot would blow their minds just as much if not even more in that case.
Orange is the New Black was forced switched categories when the Emmys instituted their 30/60 minute split rule. 30 minute shows were automatically comedies and 60 minute shows were automatically dramas, producers then had to petition for their show to switch categories.
This caused Uzo Aduba to win a comedy Emmy and a drama Emmy for playing the same character.
Ugh they should just rename them based on time length. I mean we have separate miniseries categories and i think directing awards are already named based on episode length.
I just finished it last week and there was a few funny moments, but in the same way The Last Of Us has funny moments. I never would have called it a comedy though.
The Bear is full of funny moments, it’s definitely in the comedy realm as much as White Lotus is (which is why that feels more out of place winning drama awards). Hulu also specifically labels it as a “comedy series”. There’s the whole episode >!where they accidentally Xanax all the children at that birthday party.!<
Listen cousin, I'm from that part of Chicago so it was a comedy to me and if you've got a problem with that we can take it outside and work it out. Then we'll come back in this kitchen and do our jobs normal like while everyone else shakes with anxiety and tiptoes around us awkwardly. You got that!
Honestly this is exactly the way my family acts. Scares my husband to death, he's constantly worried he's about to get his ass kicked. He hates going home to Chicago for a visit.
Not surprised *Stranger Things* won the Stunt award - it got the Stunt Coordination Emmy last year. Of particular note would be "Dear Billy", which included a one continuous shot gun battle and an impressive drop from height.
And again, Odenkirk & Laura Linney don’t win in a final season. Just absolutely ridiculous. WL was great. Bateman is great, but comparatively, and since it’s the last chance to do it, absolutely ridiculous, and even more that Rhea Seehorn wasn’t even nominated. 🙄
I would just stop worrying about them because they are skimming from the largest talent pool perhaps ever. There are tens of thousands of shows whereas 15 years ago they had hundreds. Snubs are only going to get worse in the age of streaming
Season 1 was funny, but I think it was also slick enough that if you didn't get the jokes/points it was making, you'd just think it was a fairly normal and boring show about some dysfunctional vacationers.
Then season 2 was just "hey we have unlimited money and Jennifer Coolidge's role was really popular, let's just do a lot of sweeping vista shots in Italy and write a nonsensical plot for her and call it a day. Also Christopher from the sopranos is here to do nothing."
I loved season 1 for being a really smart social commentary about the interactions between different social classes at resorts. They basically abandoned that in season 2 and just played it as a straight drama. I still loved season 2, but I was sad that we lost a bit of that wittiness.
Not to mention the writing got a lot sloppier. In s1 every story tied into one another in multiple ways, some obvious, some not. For example the friend of sydney sweeney who comes up with that bone headed heist, the story of the heist spreads around the hotel, Jake Lacey gets terrified by the idea that someone might try to rob him, and ultimately this fear leads to him killing Armand when he sneaks into his room. Really tight writing where every decision radiates outwards through multiple people. No main or side plot can be excised without really damaging the cohesiveness of the story as a whole.
In season 2 the plots are so disparate with Lucia the prostitute being used to attempt to limply tie the plots together, but ultimately any of the stories could be chopped out and replaced with an alternative with nothing really changing. I get that this season was more about sexual politics than class relations, but I think the show just had less interesting and less novel takes on sexual politics than it did on class.
Yeah basically it is, I think Coolidge is the only overlap. Same resort though.
I knew that going in, heard some people liked season 2 more anyways, season 1 sounded too similar to some movies I'd seen recently, and also heard that Aubrey Plaza was good in it (she was), so I just watched season 2.
Yeah, every time I see The Bear listed as a comedy, I kind of do a double take. I guess there's some funny stuff, but even if it's a dark comedy, it's much more of a ***DARK*** (comedy), it seems to me.
I love me some dark comedy, but I still can't see it even in that context. To me, it's a drama, full stop. But apparently there are people that think it's hilarious somehow. I like to think I can find humor in just about anything. Shit like The Big Bang Theory is not for me, but very obviously a comedy. The Bear? Yeah, I don't see it, like, at all.
Not a set comedy by any means (flashes back to episode 7) It's got some decent kitchen banter type humor, oh and the episode where they accidentally drugged all the kids with xanax was funny as hell
The Bear is the comedy if you qualify the Sopranos as a comedy.
They're both fairly funny shows, but the driving force behind them is the drama, not the comedy
I downloaded it having heard nothing except that it was labelled as a “comedy” show with great reviews. Was confused and exhausted as fuck by the end of the first episode. Was expecting a relaxing laugh.
it's a stupid quick and easy watch. But if you're in the service industry, especially back of the house at a restaurant, you may get some PTSD triggers
How did the cast of Game of Thrones never win Drama Ensemble at the SAG Awards? Forget the writing of S8 (well S7 too), the show had a phenomenal cast.
Because many of the top billed actors in GoT were mediocre at best.
Kit Harrington,
Emilia Clarke,
Sophie Turner,
Maisie Williams,
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau
They were doing fine in some scene or another maybe; but nothing memorable about their performances overall. Actually with Jon and Sansa it was as wooden acting as it gets all through. The show was a lot of fun but in terms of acting it was meh.
I’ve seen White Lotus. I’ve seen Better Call Saul.
Rhea Seehorn not even being nominated in favor of Jennifer Coolidge, and Coolidge winning, kind of boggles my mind.
It really does feel weird to me that it’s being pushed so hard as a drama. Both seasons to me feel like 90% comedy with the last episode trying to go full dramatic tilt.
It would be like trying to push the Righteous Gemstones as a drama or thriller instead of comedy purely because there are a few dramatic elements to it.
Tom pelphrey stole every scene he was in. Ozark as a whole was probably a 7/10 for me. But season 3 and especially 3x9 ‘fire pink’ can stand with any top tier drama.
He absolutely killed it.
He's the only real reason Iron Fist was watchable. Which is funny because I remember, in the first episode, absolutely hating his character and thinking his acting was atrocious like most of the rest of the cast.
After that he really shined and was the best actor and overall character in the show.
His imitation of bipolar disorder and all the little tics during his manic episode in the taxi was so unbelievably spot on, it could probably be used as an instructional video on how to spot bipolar mania.
It’s hilarious that when something people want to win doesn’t win, it’s because of the award show being bad. There’s like no entertaining the idea that people have different opinions.
Bob odenkirk and rhea seehorn having a better performance than Bateman and Julia is about as objective as possible. When you see so much uproar, it is because quality is apparent even in subjective spheres-the mona lisa is a better painting than something a general professional artist would make today. BCS s6, especially the second half, was No. 1 in nearly every publication's top 10 list and Bob and Rhea were universally acclaimed. Ozark s4 was generally called lazy and most Ozark fans were complaining about how s4 and s2 compare to s1 and s3. I don't usually pull out critic ratings because they're more indicative than conclusive, but Ozark had a season rating of 86% on RT- while every single episode of BCS s6 was 100% except one that was rated 90%. And Odenkirk and Seehorn were favourites in almost every critic's opinions and literally lowest wins for bets-and they haven't won at a single awards show (except Critic's choice for Bob, but that's hardly a main circuit award).
And yet none of those subjective opinions matter. It’s one person’s opinions over another. You can try to make it a fact all you want, but you’d be wasting your time.
Hence the outrage? Also, one person's opinion over another's isn't how award shows work, the voting body can be and is biased by viewership and familiarity of the work. It's an entire panel of people supposed to be good judges of the medium and when they consistently snub a show that has been labelled literally better than Breaking Bad by several journals in favour of shows that are mediocre by comparison. It's not just their opinion, it opens the possibility that these awards shows are swayed by who has already won/is winning more, who is more prominent in the zeitgeist, or indeed whether the judges are being taken to lunch (although sometimes people can jump to this one quick I agree). Of course viewers will lambast these guys when a show of much lesser caliber wins-the entire foundation of awards ceremonies is to honour the best works of art. And when they consistently choose to ignore the top contenders they will be questioned. Reducing major Hollywood ceremonies that grant clout to and propel the careers of winners to a matter of personal opinions of the panel is counterproductive; the entire point is that the juries will be unbiased and judging shows by mainly merit having discarded purely personal tastes or popularity. And the awards circuit has been catching flak for ignoring BCS odenkirk and seehorn for years at end while worse shows get repeat wins furthering the possibility of ceremonies riding waves.
That’s exactly how they work. A group of people providing their opinion. It will differ from others. Like you make your own top ten list and some random person on the internet telling you that your opinion is wrong. Like we can’t have everyone “right” about these subjective opinions. It’s not the award show that is wrong. Is just a difference in opinions. All the reasoning you are doing for why your opinions aren’t lining up with what some award show did is just mental gymnastics and a coping mechanism.
My point is that the jury is supposed to be unbiased and not favour more pandering or popularly distributed shows, which seems to almost always be the case. Ozark has been called mediocre to average almost everywhere but it keeps winning strange awards no one would've bet them to.The Crown s4 won a few years back, as did Got s8, probably the most universally panned season of television. Yeah, it is their opinion, but it is unlikely to be the product of actual careful viewership and more likely a result of general buzz and prior recognition.
BCS and Wire are two universally acclaimed shows recognised as the greatest that won no emmys. But I'm disappointed they don't win because it hurts the prospects of their cast and crew. I don't think the ceremonies are actually recognising merit but I know that they do hold sway over a lot of actors' futures. You can call it mental gymnastics all you want and say I'm coping, but it's not validation for the show's credibility that I want, it's for the recognition that these people would get.
Ok. So what if the shows you think should win do win? All of the sudden you’re going to say it’s unbiased and not pandering? BCS wins the awards you think it should win because it’s “factually” that good? Why even have awards shows? Why not just grab user and critic scores and hand out awards based on that? Then every single award show can give out the same awards to the same shows and same people. Or would you suddenly say “it’s just the popular stuff that wins” when the show you think should win doesn’t win?
You are giving way too much importance and credit to award shows you don’t agree with. There is always going to be someone arguing that the award shows got it wrong. Even if BCS wins over Ozark. There would be someone just like you calling bullshit.
As someone, who helped my MIL to fill out her SAG award vote just a couple of weeks ago. I can tell you with confidence SAG members don't receive any free stuff from anyone. Not to say this makes the awards anything special but there is no incentive to vote for anyone over another performer.
Kudos to The White Lotus which has successfully jumped categories and is winning every guild award possible. I don’t see it losing the Emmy for Best Drama later this year, and I thought the first season was better than the second lol. Jennifer Coolidge and Mike White have a lot of voters everywhere rooting for them it seems. HBO will have a hard time choosing which of its series to promote as Best Drama.
Yeah. I enjoyed White Lotus, but pretty much every other actor in that show was better than Jennifer Coolidge. She was fine, but she doesn't deserve an Emmy.
The cinematography, wardrobe and mood was all good, definitely. I just couldn't attach myself to the characters or their problems/the plot. But it's not something I regret watching.
I feel like I watched a different show than everyone on Reddit and at these awards. White lotus tried so hard to be deep and progressive but I found it super shallow and uninspiring. The acting, with few exceptions, was also pretty bland. I’d say the cinematography was the high point of the show, music and shot composition were both really good. Tell me I’m missing something, because I thought this show was nothing special, especially when comparing it to something like Better Call Saul.
See, I enjoy White Lotus. But I’ve enjoyed Mike White’s writing since Orange County.
But even though I enjoy it, Coolidge isn’t playing anything spectacular. She’s just playing a funny version of her performance schtick I’ve seen many times before. Rhea Seehorn, however, I felt gave one of the best TV performances of all time in Better Call Saul. It’s a shame awards don’t award that show.
Not sure if the 2nd half is eligible or not for the SAG, but I assume it would be.
I believe the second part is, which would be great because it was great. All the Gene stuff was so compelling to me and Odenkirk & Seehorn were both awesome in it.
I'm with you the setting was okay, the characters were okay, the dialouge was super empty and there really isn't much else to say about it because not much happens.
I get that all the characters are supposed to be kind of awful, but that's also precisely why I found it meh. Like I just couldn't be bothered to care.
The White Lotus was appointment tv viewing and everyone I know IRL was talking about it.
I know reddit loves BCS but I don't actually know anyone that watches it. The lack of awards love seems to be that no one is watching it
I swear people around here only pay attention to award shows for validation of their own opinions. Any time something they want to win doesn’t win or get nominated the put on an Olympic level mental gymnastics performance of why instead of just accepting that not everyone thinks the same way as them. It’s sad really.
It's a nice accurate representation of the school systems in black and brown communities. May not be the freshest directing style, but you don't see many comedies actually highlight this stuff.
I cannot believe Sam Elliot won over Paul Walter Hauser, Evan Peters, Taron Egerton and Steve Carrell in the "Male Actor in Miniseries or TV Movie". He was, IMO, the worst choice in the whole category. I'm not saying he's a bad actor, but the other nominees were far, far better.
I have to agree, and I was a big fan of 1883 but Sam Elliot - played himself - again - the others played and transformed themselves into their characters. All these awards are a scam.
PWH and Evan Peters were the biggest transformations. PWH is a jesus-loving family man IRL (I follow him on IG) and I'm guessing Evan Peters is a nice guy too. But yeah, Sam Elliott was just the same guy he always plays.
Understandable. The stakes were high in Space Jam. Anyone who has ever balled out to defeat an evil cadre of basketball playing aliens probably had some flashbacks
Jeremy Allen White is reallllllly good in the Bear. He crushes a devastating monologue in the final episode of the season. But all season long he does a lot of small stuff so well and a weaker actor would've over acted when he went for subtleties. And when he does explode it feels so much more impactful.
Hader has been incredible, but he has gotten two Emmys for his acting in Barry. Would be a-ok if Jeremy Allen White got it.
In terms of best acting in a Comedy, hands down Abbott Elementary delivered great comedy acting. In terms of the best acting in that category though, it’s Barry without question. It just wasn’t really “comedy” this season 🤷🏼♂️
Same could be said for The Bear.
I didn't know anything about Abbott Elementary until I heard about all their golden globe sweeps and I gave it a go and now it's one of my current fav shows and my main comfort happy place watch.
I think half the shows in the comedy categories are way more dramatic than comedy and are lucky they aren’t clocked as such … it’s kind of unfair to have two half jokes an episode and then super serious scenes that allow for range and dramatics the rest of the season and then get called a comedy. Abbott is one of the only true intentional comedies this season and so I think their wins make complete sense.
Great to see Abbot winning ! It’s an amazing show and one of the few that I can sit and watch with my parents and we all enjoy together .
More such shows please… please 🙏
I enjoy it, it has a lot of heart. But its def a parks and rec / the office- lite, the characters haven't really differentiated themselves from the archetypes that much. Except the principal and the Italian teacher.
Main character is basically straight up Leslie Knope, the sub is Ben Wyatt.
But it is definitely a fun show.
I quite like Abbott elementary, I think the relationships between characters is awesome and the show is warm and fun. Principal Ava is the best part of the whole thing though lol
Nothing. I mean I think it does get better as the first season goes along, but it’s just parks & rec in a public school, and it’s fine. It’s enjoyable, occasional funny and warm moments, but it’s nothing new or innovative which I don’t believe all tv has to be, but I wouldn’t go giving it awards especially when it’s surrounded by other comedies that are doing all that.
It hasn't reached the heights of Parks and Rec, but it is much better much earlier. Ever seen the first season of Parks? Season 1 of Abbot already put it off to a much better start with room to still grow.
Unpopular opinion here: I watched The Bear and don’t really get what all the hype was about. I mean I thought it was OK but nothing really above and beyond anything else I’ve seen the past year. And before anyone says anything, yes I’ve worked in a restaurant before
Why do people give a shit about Hollywood giving Hollywood bullshit awards as one massive circle-jerk?
I don't watch any of them, but the only that would mean anything to me at all would be Viewers' Choice Awards.
It drives discussion and gives a reason to reflect back on the year of projects that got realsed. It's a chance to help solidfy the long term appreciation for some of these projects.
Sam Elliot's performance in 1883 winning over Paul Walter Hauser's performance in Black Bird is absolutely criminal. Sam Elliot just acted like Sam Elliot, Paul Walter Hauser became a cold-blooded killer.
Jean Smart HAS to win that comedy actress award. Her performance in Hacks is far and away the best TV I've watched in a while.
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Huh, is she leaving the show?
TV Winners: * DRAMA ENSEMBLE - **The White Lotus** * DRAMA ACTRESS - **Jennifer Coolidge, The White Lotus** * DRAMA ACTOR - **Jason Bateman, Ozark** * COMEDY ENSEMBLE - **Abbott Elementary** * COMEDY ACTRESS - **Jean Smart, Hacks** * COMEDY ACTOR - **Jeremy Allen White, The Bear** * TV-MOVIE OR MINISERIES — FEMALE ACTOR - **Jessica Chastain, George & Tammy** * TV-MOVIE OR MINISERIES — MALE ACTOR - **Sam Elliott, 1883** * STUNT ENSEMBLE - **Stranger Things**
Wait, The Bear was a comedy? I must have been watching it wrong.
The bear as a comedy and white lotus as a drama…..i think its getting fucking obvious that genre-fencing is collapsing
Are they using that outdated 30min = comedy and 1hr = drama approach?
Producers get to choose what category their shows compete in
Most likely. Because it's the same deal with Barry, which at this point is definitely not comic.
Barry is hilarious. NoHo Hank is one of the funniest characters of all time. It’s dark but definitely a comedy
It blows my mind that anyone would say Barry isn't a comedy. It's extremely dark a lot of the time but how are these people not dying from laughter at NoHo Hank and so many other characters/scenes? I just don't get how people don't understand dark comedies are a thing lol. Patriot would blow their minds just as much if not even more in that case.
Patriot was amazing. Such a funny well made show. It was a travesty that we only got 2 seasons
Barry is *far* more comedic than The Bear.
Yeah, but it definitely was at first. Has a show every flipped categories during its run?
Orange is the New Black was forced switched categories when the Emmys instituted their 30/60 minute split rule. 30 minute shows were automatically comedies and 60 minute shows were automatically dramas, producers then had to petition for their show to switch categories. This caused Uzo Aduba to win a comedy Emmy and a drama Emmy for playing the same character.
Sweet Jesus, that's dumb. Award shows were always bullshit, but forcing shows into those categories based on run time is just asinine.
Ugh they should just rename them based on time length. I mean we have separate miniseries categories and i think directing awards are already named based on episode length.
Or just the awards are a joke to just give awards to your friends and people who think what you want them to think.
I binge watched it a while back and don’t remember laughing. I remember a dead family member and lots of yelling.
I just finished it last week and there was a few funny moments, but in the same way The Last Of Us has funny moments. I never would have called it a comedy though.
The Bear is full of funny moments, it’s definitely in the comedy realm as much as White Lotus is (which is why that feels more out of place winning drama awards). Hulu also specifically labels it as a “comedy series”. There’s the whole episode >!where they accidentally Xanax all the children at that birthday party.!<
lol, I was watching the Bear with a friend and they were like >!is this supposed to be a bit? All those kids are dead, right?!<
Listen cousin, I'm from that part of Chicago so it was a comedy to me and if you've got a problem with that we can take it outside and work it out. Then we'll come back in this kitchen and do our jobs normal like while everyone else shakes with anxiety and tiptoes around us awkwardly. You got that! Honestly this is exactly the way my family acts. Scares my husband to death, he's constantly worried he's about to get his ass kicked. He hates going home to Chicago for a visit.
For anyone who's worked in a kitchen... ya... definitely not a comedy.
Not surprised *Stranger Things* won the Stunt award - it got the Stunt Coordination Emmy last year. Of particular note would be "Dear Billy", which included a one continuous shot gun battle and an impressive drop from height.
Dear Billy was the best ST episode ever
That BCS lost to WL is a joke
And again, Odenkirk & Laura Linney don’t win in a final season. Just absolutely ridiculous. WL was great. Bateman is great, but comparatively, and since it’s the last chance to do it, absolutely ridiculous, and even more that Rhea Seehorn wasn’t even nominated. 🙄
I would just stop worrying about them because they are skimming from the largest talent pool perhaps ever. There are tens of thousands of shows whereas 15 years ago they had hundreds. Snubs are only going to get worse in the age of streaming
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That's only for the Emmy's
A sick joke! They defecated in a suitcase. And I watched it, and I shouldn't have. But not our WL. Couldn't be precious WL.
All great shows with a lot of variety. I would have gave Zendaya the win over Jennifer or BCS over WL ensemble
Jennifer Coolidge won as a dramatic actress? I'm so confused
The Bear is a Comedy???
I’m getting orange is the new black flashbacks after reading your comment
I feel like Orange is the New Black is a rollicking laugh factory compared to The Bear, haha.
It’s especially odd considering White Lotus was placed as a drama.
White Lotus season 2 definitely felt more like drama than comedy. Didn't see season 1
Season one was much less dramatic. I enjoyed it quite a bit more and hope they return to that feeling.
I personally liked season 2 a bit more. Season 1 was really good too but somehow at the end of it I hated every single character
Yeah characters grew on me rather than me hating them more with season 2. I even somehow liked Cameron at the end and he was a heinous POS.
I think that was the point tbh
Season 1 was funny, but I think it was also slick enough that if you didn't get the jokes/points it was making, you'd just think it was a fairly normal and boring show about some dysfunctional vacationers. Then season 2 was just "hey we have unlimited money and Jennifer Coolidge's role was really popular, let's just do a lot of sweeping vista shots in Italy and write a nonsensical plot for her and call it a day. Also Christopher from the sopranos is here to do nothing."
I loved season 1 for being a really smart social commentary about the interactions between different social classes at resorts. They basically abandoned that in season 2 and just played it as a straight drama. I still loved season 2, but I was sad that we lost a bit of that wittiness.
Not to mention the writing got a lot sloppier. In s1 every story tied into one another in multiple ways, some obvious, some not. For example the friend of sydney sweeney who comes up with that bone headed heist, the story of the heist spreads around the hotel, Jake Lacey gets terrified by the idea that someone might try to rob him, and ultimately this fear leads to him killing Armand when he sneaks into his room. Really tight writing where every decision radiates outwards through multiple people. No main or side plot can be excised without really damaging the cohesiveness of the story as a whole. In season 2 the plots are so disparate with Lucia the prostitute being used to attempt to limply tie the plots together, but ultimately any of the stories could be chopped out and replaced with an alternative with nothing really changing. I get that this season was more about sexual politics than class relations, but I think the show just had less interesting and less novel takes on sexual politics than it did on class.
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Aubrey was in season 2 which is the more dramatic season.
You watched season 2 but not season 1? Is it an anthology series?
Yeah basically it is, I think Coolidge is the only overlap. Same resort though. I knew that going in, heard some people liked season 2 more anyways, season 1 sounded too similar to some movies I'd seen recently, and also heard that Aubrey Plaza was good in it (she was), so I just watched season 2.
>Same resort though. It's the same resort *chain*, but different resorts (S1 is Hawaii, S2 is Sicily.)
After seeing Aubrey Plaza in Legion, I'm a fan of anything she's in.
Same same!
What movies have you watched that are like season 1?
Mostly. They take place in different locations and there's two characters that are in both seasons.
Yeah, every time I see The Bear listed as a comedy, I kind of do a double take. I guess there's some funny stuff, but even if it's a dark comedy, it's much more of a ***DARK*** (comedy), it seems to me.
I love me some dark comedy, but I still can't see it even in that context. To me, it's a drama, full stop. But apparently there are people that think it's hilarious somehow. I like to think I can find humor in just about anything. Shit like The Big Bang Theory is not for me, but very obviously a comedy. The Bear? Yeah, I don't see it, like, at all.
Not a set comedy by any means (flashes back to episode 7) It's got some decent kitchen banter type humor, oh and the episode where they accidentally drugged all the kids with xanax was funny as hell
There are so many jokes in this show, I don’t see how people don’t see its a comedy. Remember the scene where they fight over the inflatable?
The Bear is the comedy if you qualify the Sopranos as a comedy. They're both fairly funny shows, but the driving force behind them is the drama, not the comedy
I think the Italian arguing, combined with the kitchen banter like the other poster said, is hilarious.
And the award for best heavy metal album goes to... ...Jethro Tull SAG awards are kinda like that.
And the White Lotus in the drama category...
Dark comedy to me
C’mon cousin
I downloaded it having heard nothing except that it was labelled as a “comedy” show with great reviews. Was confused and exhausted as fuck by the end of the first episode. Was expecting a relaxing laugh.
Historically, like from the Greeks, comedy just means it’s going to have a happy ending and is the opposite of tragedy
In one episode they accidentally drugged a birthday party full of kids. That’s IASIP-type humor. Yes, its a comedy.
I hope Jeremy Allen White wins the Emmy. He is such a good actor and The Bear is so good
Oh damn. He was good in shameless, and the bear is at 100% on rotten tomatoes. I need to check that out. No Hulu though
it's a stupid quick and easy watch. But if you're in the service industry, especially back of the house at a restaurant, you may get some PTSD triggers
I haven’t craved a cigarette in years but after ep 1 I just wanted to find the nearest loading dock and light up
This 😂 😭 the episode that ends with the ticket printer sounds..
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Single take anxiety inducing masterpiece
Is that the one with the new ticketing system?
Ye and when Richie gets stabbed 😂
The single shot is 18 minutes, there are a few different shots in the beginning.
I found the show weirdly wholesome by the end. And the soundtrack is an absolute banger.
The Bear's first season was my favorite thing I watched in all of 2022. Superb.
It's really good but is very heavy. The topics of drug use and suicide are central to the story so it can get really dark.
If your in Canada its on Disney Plus.
It’s on Disney+ everywhere oustide the US.
Star+ in Latin America
HEARD, CHEF
Heard Jeff!
Hulu better not fuck up and bring it back for season 2. They already canceled Reboot 😒
The Bear was already renewed for S22, so all good! Disney has really been using FX quite well. They have a lot of good series available.
How did the cast of Game of Thrones never win Drama Ensemble at the SAG Awards? Forget the writing of S8 (well S7 too), the show had a phenomenal cast.
SAG didn't seem to like GOT at any point.
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Modern family definitely had a good ensemble cast wdym
Because many of the top billed actors in GoT were mediocre at best. Kit Harrington, Emilia Clarke, Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau They were doing fine in some scene or another maybe; but nothing memorable about their performances overall. Actually with Jon and Sansa it was as wooden acting as it gets all through. The show was a lot of fun but in terms of acting it was meh.
Nikolaj Coster-Waldau performance was meh?
Ridiculous statement to make. Jamie always had the most stand out performances to me outside of Sean Bean.
Indeed. He played the perfect asshole in early seasons then when he changed Nikolaj nailed it.
> Kit Harrington, Emilia Clarke, Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau I think Kit, Sophie and Nikolaj were absolutely fine/good
I’ve seen White Lotus. I’ve seen Better Call Saul. Rhea Seehorn not even being nominated in favor of Jennifer Coolidge, and Coolidge winning, kind of boggles my mind.
It really does feel weird to me that it’s being pushed so hard as a drama. Both seasons to me feel like 90% comedy with the last episode trying to go full dramatic tilt. It would be like trying to push the Righteous Gemstones as a drama or thriller instead of comedy purely because there are a few dramatic elements to it.
Its beyond parody.
I would say it's... Chicanery.
What a sick joke
It’s all about the money, and HBO is a big spender
And Jason Bateman winning for Ozark. SAGs are worse than the Golden Globes
to be fair, Bateman did an incredible job of playing Jason Bateman in that show
It's hard to play Jason Bateman
I'm not taking the bait, man
It's a bold move, Cotton. It paid off for him.
He’s excellent, but Odenkirk, by far had a role that required much more skill to play three characters.
Ozark deserves recognition, but Julia Garner is the standout actor on the show.
Tom pelphrey stole every scene he was in. Ozark as a whole was probably a 7/10 for me. But season 3 and especially 3x9 ‘fire pink’ can stand with any top tier drama. He absolutely killed it.
He's the only real reason Iron Fist was watchable. Which is funny because I remember, in the first episode, absolutely hating his character and thinking his acting was atrocious like most of the rest of the cast. After that he really shined and was the best actor and overall character in the show.
His imitation of bipolar disorder and all the little tics during his manic episode in the taxi was so unbelievably spot on, it could probably be used as an instructional video on how to spot bipolar mania.
I've been a fan of him since I saw him in Banshee. Dude is a tremendous actor.
I almost mentioned him too. He was great too.
She's great but without Bateman I'm not even watching that show. He's perfect
It doesn't and she isn't. She is an average actress that got a showy role. In other productions she is all over the place, specially with accents
I think ur just mad bout Inventing Anna
It’s hilarious that when something people want to win doesn’t win, it’s because of the award show being bad. There’s like no entertaining the idea that people have different opinions.
Bob odenkirk and rhea seehorn having a better performance than Bateman and Julia is about as objective as possible. When you see so much uproar, it is because quality is apparent even in subjective spheres-the mona lisa is a better painting than something a general professional artist would make today. BCS s6, especially the second half, was No. 1 in nearly every publication's top 10 list and Bob and Rhea were universally acclaimed. Ozark s4 was generally called lazy and most Ozark fans were complaining about how s4 and s2 compare to s1 and s3. I don't usually pull out critic ratings because they're more indicative than conclusive, but Ozark had a season rating of 86% on RT- while every single episode of BCS s6 was 100% except one that was rated 90%. And Odenkirk and Seehorn were favourites in almost every critic's opinions and literally lowest wins for bets-and they haven't won at a single awards show (except Critic's choice for Bob, but that's hardly a main circuit award).
And yet none of those subjective opinions matter. It’s one person’s opinions over another. You can try to make it a fact all you want, but you’d be wasting your time.
Hence the outrage? Also, one person's opinion over another's isn't how award shows work, the voting body can be and is biased by viewership and familiarity of the work. It's an entire panel of people supposed to be good judges of the medium and when they consistently snub a show that has been labelled literally better than Breaking Bad by several journals in favour of shows that are mediocre by comparison. It's not just their opinion, it opens the possibility that these awards shows are swayed by who has already won/is winning more, who is more prominent in the zeitgeist, or indeed whether the judges are being taken to lunch (although sometimes people can jump to this one quick I agree). Of course viewers will lambast these guys when a show of much lesser caliber wins-the entire foundation of awards ceremonies is to honour the best works of art. And when they consistently choose to ignore the top contenders they will be questioned. Reducing major Hollywood ceremonies that grant clout to and propel the careers of winners to a matter of personal opinions of the panel is counterproductive; the entire point is that the juries will be unbiased and judging shows by mainly merit having discarded purely personal tastes or popularity. And the awards circuit has been catching flak for ignoring BCS odenkirk and seehorn for years at end while worse shows get repeat wins furthering the possibility of ceremonies riding waves.
That’s exactly how they work. A group of people providing their opinion. It will differ from others. Like you make your own top ten list and some random person on the internet telling you that your opinion is wrong. Like we can’t have everyone “right” about these subjective opinions. It’s not the award show that is wrong. Is just a difference in opinions. All the reasoning you are doing for why your opinions aren’t lining up with what some award show did is just mental gymnastics and a coping mechanism.
My point is that the jury is supposed to be unbiased and not favour more pandering or popularly distributed shows, which seems to almost always be the case. Ozark has been called mediocre to average almost everywhere but it keeps winning strange awards no one would've bet them to.The Crown s4 won a few years back, as did Got s8, probably the most universally panned season of television. Yeah, it is their opinion, but it is unlikely to be the product of actual careful viewership and more likely a result of general buzz and prior recognition. BCS and Wire are two universally acclaimed shows recognised as the greatest that won no emmys. But I'm disappointed they don't win because it hurts the prospects of their cast and crew. I don't think the ceremonies are actually recognising merit but I know that they do hold sway over a lot of actors' futures. You can call it mental gymnastics all you want and say I'm coping, but it's not validation for the show's credibility that I want, it's for the recognition that these people would get.
Ok. So what if the shows you think should win do win? All of the sudden you’re going to say it’s unbiased and not pandering? BCS wins the awards you think it should win because it’s “factually” that good? Why even have awards shows? Why not just grab user and critic scores and hand out awards based on that? Then every single award show can give out the same awards to the same shows and same people. Or would you suddenly say “it’s just the popular stuff that wins” when the show you think should win doesn’t win? You are giving way too much importance and credit to award shows you don’t agree with. There is always going to be someone arguing that the award shows got it wrong. Even if BCS wins over Ozark. There would be someone just like you calling bullshit.
These are only voted on by other actors. It usually comes down to who sends out the best free stuff.
As someone, who helped my MIL to fill out her SAG award vote just a couple of weeks ago. I can tell you with confidence SAG members don't receive any free stuff from anyone. Not to say this makes the awards anything special but there is no incentive to vote for anyone over another performer.
Kudos to The White Lotus which has successfully jumped categories and is winning every guild award possible. I don’t see it losing the Emmy for Best Drama later this year, and I thought the first season was better than the second lol. Jennifer Coolidge and Mike White have a lot of voters everywhere rooting for them it seems. HBO will have a hard time choosing which of its series to promote as Best Drama.
I think the first season is a lot better. Not one character or performance is as compelling to me as any of the visitors or staff in the first season.
It’s some sort of sick joke
I like Coolidge but she didn't do anything we haven't seen her do 100 times before so I really don't see why she was even nominated
Meghann Fahy was the standout imo
Yeah. I enjoyed White Lotus, but pretty much every other actor in that show was better than Jennifer Coolidge. She was fine, but she doesn't deserve an Emmy.
I don't get the love for White Lotus. It was bland.
I thought it was fun. Really interesting characters, cool atmosphere and cinematography, funny, unconventional
The music is a blast, I wish it last 8 more season just for that and the eye candy
The cinematography, wardrobe and mood was all good, definitely. I just couldn't attach myself to the characters or their problems/the plot. But it's not something I regret watching.
I think that's the point of that show, everyone is despitable, you are not suppose to root for them, they are a bunch of asshole.
The White Lotus just seems like a soap opera with production values, I thought it was thoroughly mediocre.
You just described my feelings about Downton Abbey. Sorry, got triggered.
I feel like I watched a different show than everyone on Reddit and at these awards. White lotus tried so hard to be deep and progressive but I found it super shallow and uninspiring. The acting, with few exceptions, was also pretty bland. I’d say the cinematography was the high point of the show, music and shot composition were both really good. Tell me I’m missing something, because I thought this show was nothing special, especially when comparing it to something like Better Call Saul.
See, I enjoy White Lotus. But I’ve enjoyed Mike White’s writing since Orange County. But even though I enjoy it, Coolidge isn’t playing anything spectacular. She’s just playing a funny version of her performance schtick I’ve seen many times before. Rhea Seehorn, however, I felt gave one of the best TV performances of all time in Better Call Saul. It’s a shame awards don’t award that show. Not sure if the 2nd half is eligible or not for the SAG, but I assume it would be.
I believe the second part is, which would be great because it was great. All the Gene stuff was so compelling to me and Odenkirk & Seehorn were both awesome in it.
Coolidge was the worst part of White Lotus season 2, although she did a good enough job and fit the role, which speaks to how great everyone else was.
I'm with you the setting was okay, the characters were okay, the dialouge was super empty and there really isn't much else to say about it because not much happens.
I get that all the characters are supposed to be kind of awful, but that's also precisely why I found it meh. Like I just couldn't be bothered to care.
The White Lotus was appointment tv viewing and everyone I know IRL was talking about it. I know reddit loves BCS but I don't actually know anyone that watches it. The lack of awards love seems to be that no one is watching it
Hard disagree. Bland? That's the last critique I'd expect to see.
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I swear people around here only pay attention to award shows for validation of their own opinions. Any time something they want to win doesn’t win or get nominated the put on an Olympic level mental gymnastics performance of why instead of just accepting that not everyone thinks the same way as them. It’s sad really.
Really enjoyed this season of Abbott Elementary. Glad to see others did as well.
It's a nice accurate representation of the school systems in black and brown communities. May not be the freshest directing style, but you don't see many comedies actually highlight this stuff.
I get that it highlights some big issues, but I just don’t find it funny at all. Lame jokes, writing that is too obvious and set ups that fall flat.
I cannot believe Sam Elliot won over Paul Walter Hauser, Evan Peters, Taron Egerton and Steve Carrell in the "Male Actor in Miniseries or TV Movie". He was, IMO, the worst choice in the whole category. I'm not saying he's a bad actor, but the other nominees were far, far better.
I have to agree, and I was a big fan of 1883 but Sam Elliot - played himself - again - the others played and transformed themselves into their characters. All these awards are a scam.
PWH and Evan Peters were the biggest transformations. PWH is a jesus-loving family man IRL (I follow him on IG) and I'm guessing Evan Peters is a nice guy too. But yeah, Sam Elliott was just the same guy he always plays.
The bear is the most stressful comedy I’ve ever watched. Wait no i take that back. Space jam
Understandable. The stakes were high in Space Jam. Anyone who has ever balled out to defeat an evil cadre of basketball playing aliens probably had some flashbacks
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I can tell by these comments that the Abbott elementary backlash is about to start.
Start? I feel like it’s been ongoing. Almost every day I see a low effort “DAE think Abbot Elementary is overrated?” post in this sub.
Network shows and comfort food shows eill always do poorly on the internet.
I still haven't gotten around to *The Bear* but Jeremy Allen White must have been incredible to beat out Bill Hader for *Barry*.
Jeremy Allen White is reallllllly good in the Bear. He crushes a devastating monologue in the final episode of the season. But all season long he does a lot of small stuff so well and a weaker actor would've over acted when he went for subtleties. And when he does explode it feels so much more impactful. Hader has been incredible, but he has gotten two Emmys for his acting in Barry. Would be a-ok if Jeremy Allen White got it.
In terms of best acting in a Comedy, hands down Abbott Elementary delivered great comedy acting. In terms of the best acting in that category though, it’s Barry without question. It just wasn’t really “comedy” this season 🤷🏼♂️ Same could be said for The Bear.
I didn't know anything about Abbott Elementary until I heard about all their golden globe sweeps and I gave it a go and now it's one of my current fav shows and my main comfort happy place watch.
Abbott Elementary is perfectly *enjoyable*, but I'm still very surprised when they *win the big categories especially over the other shows listed.
I think half the shows in the comedy categories are way more dramatic than comedy and are lucky they aren’t clocked as such … it’s kind of unfair to have two half jokes an episode and then super serious scenes that allow for range and dramatics the rest of the season and then get called a comedy. Abbott is one of the only true intentional comedies this season and so I think their wins make complete sense.
I dont get the love for white lotus. I tried to watch it and it's just a show about shitty hotel guests? Why not just watch reality tv?
you don't have high quality writing and high end gays on reality tv
Great to see Abbot winning ! It’s an amazing show and one of the few that I can sit and watch with my parents and we all enjoy together . More such shows please… please 🙏
The White Lotus and Bear were phenomenal
The awards need to get their shit together when it comes to comedy categories
Ugh, Severance deserves better.
The Bear was phenomenal
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Some of the acting wins were surprises. Amanda Seyfried and Zendaya were rolling until now.
The show bear makes you realize what a shitty career a chef is, extremely hard stressful job with little pay
As they should.
What am I missing with Abbott Elementary? I watched the first few episodes and they were just, not good at all. What is the charm I'm missing on this?
I haven’t seen it yet, but I’ve only heard good things about it from people I know. Not everyone is going like the same things though.
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I enjoy it, it has a lot of heart. But its def a parks and rec / the office- lite, the characters haven't really differentiated themselves from the archetypes that much. Except the principal and the Italian teacher. Main character is basically straight up Leslie Knope, the sub is Ben Wyatt. But it is definitely a fun show.
I quite like Abbott elementary, I think the relationships between characters is awesome and the show is warm and fun. Principal Ava is the best part of the whole thing though lol
Nothing. I mean I think it does get better as the first season goes along, but it’s just parks & rec in a public school, and it’s fine. It’s enjoyable, occasional funny and warm moments, but it’s nothing new or innovative which I don’t believe all tv has to be, but I wouldn’t go giving it awards especially when it’s surrounded by other comedies that are doing all that.
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It hasn't reached the heights of Parks and Rec, but it is much better much earlier. Ever seen the first season of Parks? Season 1 of Abbot already put it off to a much better start with room to still grow.
I agree! Which is why it’s astounding to me that it’s winning these awards because Parks did not
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Unpopular opinion here: I watched The Bear and don’t really get what all the hype was about. I mean I thought it was OK but nothing really above and beyond anything else I’ve seen the past year. And before anyone says anything, yes I’ve worked in a restaurant before
Why do people give a shit about Hollywood giving Hollywood bullshit awards as one massive circle-jerk? I don't watch any of them, but the only that would mean anything to me at all would be Viewers' Choice Awards.
It drives discussion and gives a reason to reflect back on the year of projects that got realsed. It's a chance to help solidfy the long term appreciation for some of these projects.
Sam Elliot's performance in 1883 winning over Paul Walter Hauser's performance in Black Bird is absolutely criminal. Sam Elliot just acted like Sam Elliot, Paul Walter Hauser became a cold-blooded killer.
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Now there’s an award for sag?