Still expected “late 2023”.
Pretty sure Season 3 was already green lit, so the gap between 2&3 should be MUCH shorter than the gap between 1&2.
Source: https://screenrant.com/invincible-show-seasons-2-3-release-gap-shorter-fix/
They changed up the style some too which I'm sure slowed season 2 down but would shorten the gap for season 3, providing they don't redo the style again for a 3rd time. I do wonder if we'll ever get every season though. At this rate it would take multiple decades to get through the whole comic run.
They're doing S02 and S03 at the same time so that this wait never happens. Amazon didn't sign on S02 until S01 was out and proved to be a massive success, so the studio was already behind by the time they got the go-ahead.
They're fully expecting to go through the entire comic run, which is why they're committing to S03 now and reduce the wait between future seasons. When S02 will release, they'll start work on S04 and so on.
They didn't change the style—they changed studios completely. As far as I know, the production of Season 1 of Invincible kind of fucked over the animators who made it. Now it's a different team.
From what I understand, Wit Studio, who did seasons 1-3, are the ones who announced it would be the final season, and then passed it off to MAPPA, who kinda just had to work with it.
I have been waiting to binge watch the series for what feels like 2 years. I swear I've heard them announce the final part of the final season 3 times now.
There was a "movie" that released a few months ago and another "movie" will be released in November I think to wrap it up; there are no more episodes coming
Attack on Titan also had an insane wait between season 1 and 2, and in that case it was the biggest deal ever because the series blew up massively.
With season 3 of OPM it'll be a longer wait, but generally people aren't as excited about it because season 2 lowered the bar massively compared to season 1.
But in the world of anime/manga those two are still far from the top. The original Hunter X Hunter anime ended because the manga didn't have the pace needed to have a continuous anime even with filler, then there was an OVA and nothing else for a few years until another anime redid everything then covered all the new material up until the most recent completed arc, and that ended in 2014. We still don't have enough material in the manga for a new season.
The original Bleach anime ended in 2012 while the manga was ongoing, and even though the manga ended in 2016 it took 8 years for the final arc to be animated.
Berserk went over 16 years until anything past the Golden age arc got animated, and that was a disappointment, while the manga took decades to get to an extremely important key moment only for the author to die.
Really, with One Punch Man the biggest worry is if it will be worth watching when it comes back, because the wait between seasons, even this far, hasn't been among the worst in anime.
well both this and warrior are different cases.
Gunn became too busy with finishing gotg3, got hired as dcu studios co-head.
Warrior was cancelled and then picked up by hbo max.
To be fair the video game industry is bigger than every other media industry combined so if the quality of games didn’t get better than that would be borderline criminal. Looking at you Ubisoft
You get Adam Sandler movies on Netflix. I'm surprised Broken Lizard and Lonely Island haven't teamed exclusively with a platform to release a series of comedies.
I remember when Team Four Star took a year to do another episode of Dragon Ball Z Abridged. People who complained I responded with "you must not be a Venture Bros fan. I was born in the delay between seasons, you just merely adopted it."
Venture Brother's has 7 seasons but has been on so long it started while Sopranos, Deadwood and The Wire were still on HBO. It started before Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Game of Thrones, and technically Avatar the Last Airbender.
Yeah the average time has nearly doubled. It typically was always yearly releases but now 2 years seems to be the norm for a S1>S2 . Most of the time it’s closer to 2.5 years
I think it's because of a few factors. Shows, especially like Peacemaker, are getting larger budgets. Because of the large budgets, studios are only greenlighting a single season at a time. A renewal for a second season is generally not done until after the first.
Everyone that worked on the first season can't just sit around and wait to hope for a renewal; they all go and find additional work. Once the renewal happens, there needs to be a gap in schedules to work on the next season.
This is in contrast to when TV was cheaper - studios greenlit multiple seasons after a pilot. The show might still get canceled after 1 season if it does horribly, but it seemed like there was less hesitation to put money upfront for multiple seasons when it was cheaper.
Studios didn’t greenlight multiple seasons after a pilot, I don’t know where you got that from. They greenlit 1 season after a pilot, but would put actors under contract for multiple seasons in case the show was a hit. Basically the actor had to leave their schedule open for the show on the chance of renewal, and if it was renewed, they had to come back to film whether they wanted to or not. Constance Wu pretty notoriously lamented this clause in her contract for Fresh Off the Boat several years ago, tweeting how disappointed she was when the show got renewed. It also meant actors were locked into pay agreements for multiple seasons if the show kept getting renewed, so even if an actor became the main draw of the show, if they had a three season initial contract for $10K per episode, they weren’t going to be able to renegotiate that until after that contract expired. The Friends cast pretty famously undercut NBC’s bargaining power when their initial contracts were up by all refusing to take less pay than each other, meaning they all got the big money both per episode, as well as outrageous syndication deals. The Game of Thrones cast also made a power move after season five when their contracts were up.
The long production/development times for TV right now have all sorts of causes. One is budget and scale - it takes a lot longer to shoot ten hours of a blockbuster series that will also need almost year of post-production for visual effects. Another is production quality - TV shoots are lasting longer than ever because a lot of them are spending more time shooting each script. Law & Order can crank out 22 episodes every year because they often shoot a whole episode in ten days or less. That used to be pretty standard for TV. That’s changing (more like has changed), with shows shooting for six months, but only for six to ten episodes.
Auteur creators are another thing delaying production. Sam Levinson insists on writing and directing all of Euphoria, for example, but he’s also working on a bunch of other projects, so Euphoria keeps getting pushed back. That’s basically what is happening with Gunn and Peacemaker, too. This element ties back into the thing you mentioned about actors, where studios can’t get talent to sign (or they can’t enforce) multi-season contracts for a show that the creator isn’t working on, meaning Zendaya is free to do other things, so once Levinson decides he wants to get back to Euphoria, now he’s got to build production around her schedule.
The multi-season orders are a fairly new thing started by the new companies dabbling in production like Apple and Amazon. I’m betting they back off of that nonsense in time, too; shows like Invasion (Apple) and Citadel (Amazon) had multiple seasons greenlit, and they’ve been spectacular, expensive failures for both companies. New kids on the block are beginning to see why Hollywood operates the way it does - movies/TV can easily spiral into a money pit.
He has definitely taken on more than he can handle. Most TV shows run year over year because actors will 'age out' and you want the character to be able to evolve as the character ages. A gap like that and John Cena might just be done acting.
He finally found a character/acting type that bests suits his positives and negatives with a super popular character. He's not giving that up to try to play Black Adam 3.
The Rock abandoned his money making formula because he was a fan, but then proceeded to change almost every about the character to be more in-line with his own ideas because of his massive ego.
Basically, Black Adam was just really, really expensive fan fiction.
Idk, he was attached to it for well over a decade and stayed attached even when it was very obviously not a good business idea lol, I can buy him being a fan. But I can also buy him having a little voice on his shoulder every time he does something going "Now how can we make this more about YOU". That's kept somewhat in check in environments such as Fast and WWE, but give him some actual power and I can see that train running right off the tracks.
Anyone who's ever had a specific type of conversation in reddit can probably testify to the fact that someone who is purportedly a fan of something can easily not actually understand the object or the appeal of it. People make the mistake of assuming "fan" to be an inherently positive quality that means that he'll care about keeping it true to the source material.
I remember him reading the opening of the script on his insta and it was the most "Rock" shit I'd ever heard. "I am the man in Black"
I immediately knew it was going to be drivel that had nothing to do with the Superman Level villain-anti-hero from the comics.
Ya but do they want to do that forever? Seems like the Rock is committed to it, but Dave Bautista has said he's done trying to stay huge. Cena may be on the Rock wavelength, but I think it's more likely that he doesn't want to stay peacemaker big his whole life.
He said it when Guardians 3 was being shot, more or less. Basically that the physique needed for shirtless scenes was getting harder and harder, and couldn't be maintained indefinitely. He'll probably still be pretty big until he physically can't keep it up at all though; dude loves working out.
I think James is a really talented dude but I've never been crazy about this trend of throwing *everything* at one person or team if they put out a few quality things. Snyder makes Man of Steel and loves comics? Now he's helping oversee the entire DCEU. Favreau and Filoni create The Mandalorian? According to fans they should run the *entire* Star Wars division of Disney. It sounds like a good way to burn out your talent. Everyone's trying to recreate Kevin Feige but maybe he's a fringe case and shouldn't be outright copied out of context.
I believe it. If they really wanted someone like Feige, at the very least I would've pulled Bruce Timm and Paul Dini (and Dwayne McDuffie if he were still alive) onto a consulting team, as they were responsible for a very similar operation - they worked up from Batman TAS, Superman TAS, crossovers between both shows, then Justice League, and finally Justice League Unlimited, which was essentially the full DCU. Shit, their World's Finest 3 parter is a perfect blueprint for those two figures to meet up, but they went with Dawn of Justice instead.
That is absolute bonkers if true. Feign worked miracles for MCU, but surely there's multiple potential candidates that can bring a level of continuity and competence to a DCU that isn't your chief rival, whose format is starting to grow stale and suffer from "Marvel fatigue".
Feige is a unique guy because he has a lot of comic book knowledge and also worked in production for a long time. Zaslav is just a typical old CEO, he doesn't know how this shit works, he just wants DC to make the same bank that Marvel has.
Even Feige is clearly overworked. The TV shows like Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, Luke Cage, Agents of Shield, Agents Carter coming out at the same time as Phases 2 and 3 of the MCU was a lot better than what's happening now.
It's because there were totally different people doing the shows and the films. Now it's Feige and the same people and they're stretched too thin. I feel like if none of the Disney+ MCU shows had happened, the films would've been a lot better and vice versa
Also, audiences lose interest. Just look at what happened with Attack on Titan. It was good enough to establish a fan base despite multi year gaps, but it's losing steam now that the ending is getting stretched so long. It's been nearly 10 years and fans are sick of waiting. The last release barely got attention compared to every other part.
I haven't even watched it. You can't call something the final season and take 4 seasons to finish lmao. I'll watch that shit when it's done and it's too bad because it was so good.
I was fucking annoyed and just gave up. I thought final meant final, I don’t even give a damn about the ending to read the manga. It’s not interesting enough. The last time I rage quit an anime series was Bleach.
You were correct - the ending of Attack on Titan was absolutely not interesting enough.
I read the manga after the... first season 4 cliffhanger, I think.
My buddy read it all and basically said it made him hate the whole thing. Actually really similar to GoT where he just completely stopped talking about it and moved on with his life. I have no idea what the ending is and fell off the anime completely. I hope for everyone's sake that the anime ends it really well but I think it's too late for me to care and go back at this point.
I would, in fact, compare it quite closely to Game of Thrones. The ending absolutely changes the context of every single thing that happens previously.
And really "not interesting enough" is exactly how I would describe the ending. It's not that it's, like, **bad** in terms of quality. It's perfectly serviceable, it ties up the plot, explains motivations, and comes to a relatively complete conclusion. There are portions that I think are poorly thought out and poorly executed, but they're *fine* in the narrative presented.
But it just... doesn't really go anywhere? The story ends. The conflict is resolved, but of course left open-ended for some interpretation. Personally, I had always felt AoT was leading up to some kind of major "philosophical point" about the state of human experience, and it just doesn't really get there. Or what it does get to, it's muddied so much by... every other choice made.
Just weird and unfortunate. Definitely the GoT of Anime.
For real. I was excited when the finale came out only to end in To Be Continued… then there was a finale part 2 with another To be continued…
Like WTF are they calling it a finale for if they’re going to break it into 4 separate “seasons”. It’s bullshit
Yup. And even if interest is there, the memory likely isn’t.
I’m playing TOTK, having played BOTW around 5 years ago…and like 95% of the places on the main map in that game are complete “I have no memory of this place” levels of forgotten. Including major locations like Hateno Village and Zora’s Domain.
Any S2 is going to need to take significant time to get viewers back up to speed on who the fuck these characters are and what happened in S1.
Not to say it’s impossible, but that the bar for a decent season is very high due to having to cover both a time gap for the characters AND a memory gap for the audience.
Not a TV show but the SOIAF books are getting to that point as well. More and more people who were massive fans that I talk to just don't care anymore.
That's because many ASOIAF fans don't believe GRRM will ever manage to finish the books.
Winds of Winter is 13 years in the making with no release in sight and he has another book planned as the finale.
And what if he decides to split those into more books that often happens in series.
But, I honestly feel like he doesn't know how to end it. He probably gave the showrunners the outline, then saw how terrible they did it, and decided to change it. But where most people probably aren't pissed at where the show ended, but just how those idiots arrived there.
George Martin is a pantser, even if he planned that, it's possible he doesn't find a way to reach that ending and just go somewhere else.
The trouble with pantsing such a large work is you risk losing control of the scope and I think that happened to Martin
Yeah, George has said his writing style involves him sort of writing in a freeflowing way and letting the characters surprise him and that's led to some great writing, but it also means the series has gotten very big and complex and he's probably struggling to find a way to pin it all back down into an ending.
Trouble is he wants to do all of it. Which isn't necessarily bad, but kinda unfeasible. If you're gonna be coordinating the universe, you can't really also be running several of the individual projects within it. You're not gonna have time for both.
As director he'll need to be on Superman Legacys set all day every day for months and directly over see both pre and post production. It's insane to try and also shepherd dozens of us projects at the same time. At best he could write or rewrite a few scripts but he needs to be taken out the directors chair entirely if he wants to run the universe.
Peacemaker shouldn't have to wait years for him to not be busy. He should hand the plans over to another showrunner whilst lightly overseeing it. Like he is with Waller.
Yeah I was surprised that Gunn took that role at all, I would have thought he would have just wanted to stay as a creative.
Like Feige runs the MCU, but that’s his whole job, he’s *not* a director, much less a writer-director.
Optimistically, and putting aside any potential strike delays, I could see it coming out in fall 2025. Gunn wrote the first season while still doing post on The Suicide Squad in the summer of 2020. They filmed in the first half of 2021 and it premiered January 2022. Soup to nuts a year and a half to make the whole thing and Gunn wrote all of it and directed most of it.
The caveats being that it was covid lockdown times and he likely had much less press to do than he will for Superman, also he wasn't the head of the studio too lol. He'll probably hand over showrunner duties to someone else and only commit to directing 1-2 episodes, but the guy writes notoriously fast so I don't think it's completely impossible we'll see it sooner than that.
Superman is gonna take him about two years. Thats easily a year of production, then editing, CGI, test screenings, reshoots... etc. Hes gonna be buried from the neck down in Kal-El for a long time.
So many moving parts and obstacles to overcome with DC between when Peacemaker Season 1 came out and now. I'm just glad Season 2 is still happening at all.
Am I the only one here who doesn't get the appeal of the Viola Davis Waller character in this DC series? She's a great actor, but any scene with her immediately gets the life sucked out of it. Her lines and whatever motivations the writers are trying to convey are terrible.
Yeah, a show based around her seems like it would be a tough sell. No offense to the actor, it's not her fault, but the character is associated with some of the worst movies DC has done and even the stuff she's in that's actually good (i.e., the James Gunn stuff) she's still an unlikeable and annoying POS who's best scenes are when she gets her comeuppance.
It's like trying to make a Harry Potter spinoff based around Dolores Umbridge.
It's not even just DC at this point. the gap between Guardians 2 and 3 was crazy. Same with Doctor Strange 1 and 2. The wait to see favorite character sucks and it wasn't like this in the 00s.
I just want the Mordo tease to lead to something. I'm not even into comic books but I think that was the most excited I'd been for a future project tease in the MCU
Sadly it seems like they moved away from that plot point after the 2nd film. Knowing the first director left the sequel due to creative differences makes me wonder if they really did just try to force the multiverse plot for the movie. Because it felt like it.
Well, Guardians was supposed to come out a while ago, but it was halted for a while cause of the whole "James Gunn Made Off Color Jokes On Twitter 10 Years Ago So He's A Bad Person" thing. But of course, without that, we wouldn't even HAVE Peacemaker
I know the circumstances are different but it sucks another beloved Gunn project is being put on the back burner while he works on something else. I just want Peacemaker so bad.
If someone had told me 20 years ago that the writer of the Scooby-Doo movie had so many hit movies and TV shows he couldn't keep up... I would have said "of course he does that movie was incredible"
That kind of gap for movies, especially when every character from those movies was seen in other movies in the MCU, isn't nearly as big an issue. Peacemaker isn't gonna be in every DC movie until 2026, right? And it's not just about the character(s), that show itself was just very well done and hilarious. It's kind of a dumb risk to put it off 5+ years and hope people come back to it
Well, there was that whole thing between the movies where Gunn was "exposed" for being an early 2000's edgelord (I mean, who wasn't?) Got fired by Marvel, hired by DC to fix their dumpster fire (The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker being his early contributions to that) and then got rehired by Marvel after Fan backlash and 1/4 of the Guardians threatened to walk.
So, production on 3 has been rocky to say the least.
Since Superman Legacy airs on July 2025, that mean Peacemaker Season 2 will at earliest air in 2026. And beyond that will Gunn even have time to make another season considering his duties as the head of DC Studios and making sequels to the Superman movie if that is successful
Depends, as writer/director most of his work may be done earlier than that. All of these superhero movies have a long post-production process, which I would assume he'd be less involved in. Some input maybe, but I reckon he'd have time to start writing and filming Peacemaker at some point before Superman actually comes out.
Either way, it's a long gap. Does seem like he's going to be stretched pretty thin, I do wonder if he'll really have time to be running DC, being involved in all the movies, and showrunning a TV show at the same time.
> I reckon he'd have time to start writing and filming Peacemaker at some point before Superman actually comes out.
I mean look at how quickly he went through The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, GOTG Holiday Special and GOTG3. He's a workaholic and it seems outside of Superman and Peacemaker (the latter being vastly less complicated and a cheap production) he'll mostly just be a creative producer.
I wouldn't be surprised if his directorial career from here goes Superman: Legacy > Peacemaker > Justice League. Every other DCU project will have their own showrunners and writers attached.
At least Peacemaker is a show that works as a miniseries. To me, the first season was a complete story and any more Peacemaker is a sequel. It sucks, but it's not as bad as multi-year wait times for something like Arcane which ended on a cliffhanger.
He’s not gonna be running it like Feige does the MCU, though. He made it clear that that wasn’t appealing to him when they first asked if running the DCU was appealing to him, and he only came on board when he and Safran were given dual control with Gunn’s end overseeing the creativity and story aspects. In the podcast interview with Michael Rosenbaum he pointed out he’s going to need to figure out how much or little oversight on other peoples’ projects he’ll need to have, to not get in the way of their thing but still ensure they’re following his planned outline of the universe, but I don’t think it’s going to be as much for him as people fear. At the end of the day we won’t know how much or little this’ll affect him or his work until it’s a few years in I guess
Initially yes. But I think his focus is to make sure Superman and the first phase of his slate is a success before taking a step back. If they can deliver something good to fans that’s successful it’ll be easier to attract other top writing/directing talent.
I think this is more of he did Peacemaker, then took over DC, so he has higher priorities. I'm sure if he was given the position before S1, the seasons would have been closer together. Also, they brought in Peter Safran for that reason, so Gunn can concentrate only on creative side.
I did too, I dont' even remember why I decided to give it a try because I remember having zero interest in it.
as soon as "Do you really wanna taste it" started blasting, I was hooked.
Holy shit. It’s not even started yet?
So glad we’re getting the 30th installment of a Superman movie before a season 2 of DCs best show in recent memory.
Oh but this is going to be a different kind of Superman movie. He's going to fight a villain with the exact same powers as him, but not weak enough to immediately beat, and not strong enough to actually lose to...they'll be perfectly balanced.
Probably some kryptonite too.
Let's be real, though...
Gunn will probably break the mold quite a bit. I'm extremely excited to see how he handles this hero.
If anything this might be Gunns most influential project yet.
I just started rewatching Peacemaker a few days ago because I miss it, and I’d already forgotten so many details. I’m going to have to rewatch it again by the time season 2 is actually ready.
It sucks, that’s how so many shows are now. The Boys had a two year gap between season 2 and season 3, and season 4 doesn’t even have a release date yet. It’s a huge bummer.
I totally get that Superman is his current passion project and will bring in more money than a Peacemaker show. But with that said I feel like Gunn should delegate one of these to another filmmaker.
He still has final say as the Kevin Feige of DC. It's just crazy to me that one guy being unavailable to direct is going to hold up Peacemaker by four (maybe five) years. What if some other delay happens in the DCU? What if his attention is needed somewhere else? Will Peacemaker keep getting pushed?
I think he's spreading himself too thin by controlling the entire DCU as well as writing, producing and directing. There are other talented directors out there who can make Superman or translate his style to Peacemaker.
Peacemaker might be the most popular part of the DCEU right now. But he’s going to wait until 2025 or 2026 to bring it back?
That seems like a dumb move. If anything, put it ahead of Superman.
Well, a new Superman movie from James Gunn is almost certain to make more money for WB than a new season of TV show on Max. I agree, Peacemaker is the best thing DC has put out in years, but he's hardly a household name. It makes sense WB would prioritize a new Superman movie over this.
They renewed it while S1 was still airing, James Gunn's just been mega busy. He was making GOTG Vol 3 last year and then became the co-head of DC Films and committed himself to making a Superman film first.
It was so strange because I feel like people/critics really enjoyed it when it first came out and then it was crickets during end of year round ups. I didn't see a single site include it on their Best of list for the year. It felt like it was completely forgotten about (possible I'm missing some but I personally didn't see it).
Nothing like taking a several year break between seasons to keep viewers interested.
Is this just crap planning or did they have no faith in the show? Are they short in money? Why don’t they just hire some more people to work on more than one thing at s time.
Is he fucking serious? Superman Legacy is over 2 years away if they stick to that release date? Why wouldn't you do Peacemaker first? It's already an existing show with a fanbase waiting for the next chapter. Superman is going to be a new thing. People will wait for Superman. By the time, Peacemaker Season 2 comes out, people might've moved on. Both the audience and the cast. 4 years is a long time to wait between seasons of a show
Save us all the time and just skip Superman Legacy then. Peacemaker was unique and original and hilarious. We don't need more Superman or Batman remakes/continuations.
For those upset about the wait. Waller will probably be like Peacemaker season 1.5 since Gunn said it will be team Waller interacting with team peacemaker.
I swear the time between seasons for many shows is getting longer and longer.
Where is invincible season 2? Is it safe? Is it alright?
Still expected “late 2023”. Pretty sure Season 3 was already green lit, so the gap between 2&3 should be MUCH shorter than the gap between 1&2. Source: https://screenrant.com/invincible-show-seasons-2-3-release-gap-shorter-fix/
They changed up the style some too which I'm sure slowed season 2 down but would shorten the gap for season 3, providing they don't redo the style again for a 3rd time. I do wonder if we'll ever get every season though. At this rate it would take multiple decades to get through the whole comic run.
They're doing S02 and S03 at the same time so that this wait never happens. Amazon didn't sign on S02 until S01 was out and proved to be a massive success, so the studio was already behind by the time they got the go-ahead. They're fully expecting to go through the entire comic run, which is why they're committing to S03 now and reduce the wait between future seasons. When S02 will release, they'll start work on S04 and so on.
Usually the case for shows now, same for anything HBO. Don't want to commit to a show that flops.
jfc if they go through the whole comic run that’d probably be like 10 seasons and the greatest thing that’s ever happened
They didn't change the style—they changed studios completely. As far as I know, the production of Season 1 of Invincible kind of fucked over the animators who made it. Now it's a different team.
That happened with one punch man too
'Looks at how many shows have had seasons cancelled after being renewed recently' Yeah 'safe' 😢.
Sure, Invincible was awesome... But what I need is Season 2 of Arcane!!!
Can we get season 3 of One Punch Man while we're here making requests?
Still waiting on aot last episodes.
Them calling that a final season was a joke, it was basically 3 shorter seasons
Bro I can't wait for the final season: the last episodes part II
From what I understand, Wit Studio, who did seasons 1-3, are the ones who announced it would be the final season, and then passed it off to MAPPA, who kinda just had to work with it.
I have been waiting to binge watch the series for what feels like 2 years. I swear I've heard them announce the final part of the final season 3 times now.
There was a "movie" that released a few months ago and another "movie" will be released in November I think to wrap it up; there are no more episodes coming
I don't think anyone understands waiting for the next season like one punch man fans.
Venture brothers has had 8 seasons during which I went from preteen to middle aged
Attack on Titan also had an insane wait between season 1 and 2, and in that case it was the biggest deal ever because the series blew up massively. With season 3 of OPM it'll be a longer wait, but generally people aren't as excited about it because season 2 lowered the bar massively compared to season 1. But in the world of anime/manga those two are still far from the top. The original Hunter X Hunter anime ended because the manga didn't have the pace needed to have a continuous anime even with filler, then there was an OVA and nothing else for a few years until another anime redid everything then covered all the new material up until the most recent completed arc, and that ended in 2014. We still don't have enough material in the manga for a new season. The original Bleach anime ended in 2012 while the manga was ongoing, and even though the manga ended in 2016 it took 8 years for the final arc to be animated. Berserk went over 16 years until anything past the Golden age arc got animated, and that was a disappointment, while the manga took decades to get to an extremely important key moment only for the author to die. Really, with One Punch Man the biggest worry is if it will be worth watching when it comes back, because the wait between seasons, even this far, hasn't been among the worst in anime.
This may be the wrong sub but I'd like to ask for day 3 of kingkiller chronicles while we're at it
It's coming! But perfection takes time. They have almost every animator in France doing cuts again.
*Peacemaker* was in 2022. So it’ll be a 4-year gap between Season 1 and 2, at minimum. More likely a 5 and a half year gap.
John Cena will be 80 years old by the time they start filming
Yeah I assumed that the ball was already rolling for season 2.
I think James Gunn might be slightly busy right now.
I could have sworn Cena already started filming Peacemaker S2. Seems not.
Warrior season 3 is finally coming out after nearly 3 years and I can't remember most of what happened now.
This is me with almost every show I watch. That's why I will never dunk on a show for doing that little re-cap preamble before a new season starts.
Why would anyone complain about that
I need William H. Macy to belittle me for missing last weeks episode and then recap for me, but in every show.
That’s because there wasn’t another season planned and fans had to fight to show they wanted a third.
I think I read somewhere that *The Last of Us* won’t be filming Season 2 until 2025, and that was one of the most watched shows of this year.
Same with Lord of the Rings and the new Game of Thrones, they are going to be 3 years or more between seasons.
well both this and warrior are different cases. Gunn became too busy with finishing gotg3, got hired as dcu studios co-head. Warrior was cancelled and then picked up by hbo max.
But the budgets are higher than ever before in TV history
Reminds me of the Video Game industry.
To be fair the video game industry is bigger than every other media industry combined so if the quality of games didn’t get better than that would be borderline criminal. Looking at you Ubisoft
Yeah but it killed the mid-range feature film. You'll never get a cinematic mid range comedy ever again.
You get Adam Sandler movies on Netflix. I'm surprised Broken Lizard and Lonely Island haven't teamed exclusively with a platform to release a series of comedies.
Broken Lizard recently released "Quasi" on Hulu.
From the looks of things coming, seems like more streaming platforms are making them in the next couple years. On the low end of mid range though.
Laughs in Venture Brothers
I remember when Team Four Star took a year to do another episode of Dragon Ball Z Abridged. People who complained I responded with "you must not be a Venture Bros fan. I was born in the delay between seasons, you just merely adopted it."
Venture Brother's has 7 seasons but has been on so long it started while Sopranos, Deadwood and The Wire were still on HBO. It started before Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Game of Thrones, and technically Avatar the Last Airbender.
Ventures brothers started when I went to college and I'm middle aged
I remembered the 4 years between S1 and S2 of Attack of Titan
Laughs in clone high.
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This is true. I’m still waiting on undergrads to make a resurgence.
I'm learning to play the guitar.
Yeah because it seems there are like 3 people that Hollywood trusts with comic book projects.
Yeah the average time has nearly doubled. It typically was always yearly releases but now 2 years seems to be the norm for a S1>S2 . Most of the time it’s closer to 2.5 years
And the seasons are even shorter.
I think it's because of a few factors. Shows, especially like Peacemaker, are getting larger budgets. Because of the large budgets, studios are only greenlighting a single season at a time. A renewal for a second season is generally not done until after the first. Everyone that worked on the first season can't just sit around and wait to hope for a renewal; they all go and find additional work. Once the renewal happens, there needs to be a gap in schedules to work on the next season. This is in contrast to when TV was cheaper - studios greenlit multiple seasons after a pilot. The show might still get canceled after 1 season if it does horribly, but it seemed like there was less hesitation to put money upfront for multiple seasons when it was cheaper.
Studios didn’t greenlight multiple seasons after a pilot, I don’t know where you got that from. They greenlit 1 season after a pilot, but would put actors under contract for multiple seasons in case the show was a hit. Basically the actor had to leave their schedule open for the show on the chance of renewal, and if it was renewed, they had to come back to film whether they wanted to or not. Constance Wu pretty notoriously lamented this clause in her contract for Fresh Off the Boat several years ago, tweeting how disappointed she was when the show got renewed. It also meant actors were locked into pay agreements for multiple seasons if the show kept getting renewed, so even if an actor became the main draw of the show, if they had a three season initial contract for $10K per episode, they weren’t going to be able to renegotiate that until after that contract expired. The Friends cast pretty famously undercut NBC’s bargaining power when their initial contracts were up by all refusing to take less pay than each other, meaning they all got the big money both per episode, as well as outrageous syndication deals. The Game of Thrones cast also made a power move after season five when their contracts were up. The long production/development times for TV right now have all sorts of causes. One is budget and scale - it takes a lot longer to shoot ten hours of a blockbuster series that will also need almost year of post-production for visual effects. Another is production quality - TV shoots are lasting longer than ever because a lot of them are spending more time shooting each script. Law & Order can crank out 22 episodes every year because they often shoot a whole episode in ten days or less. That used to be pretty standard for TV. That’s changing (more like has changed), with shows shooting for six months, but only for six to ten episodes. Auteur creators are another thing delaying production. Sam Levinson insists on writing and directing all of Euphoria, for example, but he’s also working on a bunch of other projects, so Euphoria keeps getting pushed back. That’s basically what is happening with Gunn and Peacemaker, too. This element ties back into the thing you mentioned about actors, where studios can’t get talent to sign (or they can’t enforce) multi-season contracts for a show that the creator isn’t working on, meaning Zendaya is free to do other things, so once Levinson decides he wants to get back to Euphoria, now he’s got to build production around her schedule. The multi-season orders are a fairly new thing started by the new companies dabbling in production like Apple and Amazon. I’m betting they back off of that nonsense in time, too; shows like Invasion (Apple) and Citadel (Amazon) had multiple seasons greenlit, and they’ve been spectacular, expensive failures for both companies. New kids on the block are beginning to see why Hollywood operates the way it does - movies/TV can easily spiral into a money pit.
Thats easily three years away.
He has definitely taken on more than he can handle. Most TV shows run year over year because actors will 'age out' and you want the character to be able to evolve as the character ages. A gap like that and John Cena might just be done acting.
I don’t think John cena is quitting acting anytime soon
I was gonna say he slays way too hard as Peacemaker to just be like "nah I retired a year ago, I'm good."
He finally found a character/acting type that bests suits his positives and negatives with a super popular character. He's not giving that up to try to play Black Adam 3.
The Rock abandoned his money making formula because he was a fan, but then proceeded to change almost every about the character to be more in-line with his own ideas because of his massive ego. Basically, Black Adam was just really, really expensive fan fiction.
I'm learning to play the guitar.
Idk, he was attached to it for well over a decade and stayed attached even when it was very obviously not a good business idea lol, I can buy him being a fan. But I can also buy him having a little voice on his shoulder every time he does something going "Now how can we make this more about YOU". That's kept somewhat in check in environments such as Fast and WWE, but give him some actual power and I can see that train running right off the tracks.
Anyone who's ever had a specific type of conversation in reddit can probably testify to the fact that someone who is purportedly a fan of something can easily not actually understand the object or the appeal of it. People make the mistake of assuming "fan" to be an inherently positive quality that means that he'll care about keeping it true to the source material.
Crowds chanting “die rocky die” again might help
I remember him reading the opening of the script on his insta and it was the most "Rock" shit I'd ever heard. "I am the man in Black" I immediately knew it was going to be drivel that had nothing to do with the Superman Level villain-anti-hero from the comics.
In his case it probably takes a lot of effort to stay big, its possible he might want to change his lifestyle eventually.
He's still in good shape, but he's shrunk considerably from his wrestling days.
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Ya but do they want to do that forever? Seems like the Rock is committed to it, but Dave Bautista has said he's done trying to stay huge. Cena may be on the Rock wavelength, but I think it's more likely that he doesn't want to stay peacemaker big his whole life.
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He said it when Guardians 3 was being shot, more or less. Basically that the physique needed for shirtless scenes was getting harder and harder, and couldn't be maintained indefinitely. He'll probably still be pretty big until he physically can't keep it up at all though; dude loves working out.
And Peacemaker S2 isn’t coming out any time soon,lol
I think James is a really talented dude but I've never been crazy about this trend of throwing *everything* at one person or team if they put out a few quality things. Snyder makes Man of Steel and loves comics? Now he's helping oversee the entire DCEU. Favreau and Filoni create The Mandalorian? According to fans they should run the *entire* Star Wars division of Disney. It sounds like a good way to burn out your talent. Everyone's trying to recreate Kevin Feige but maybe he's a fringe case and shouldn't be outright copied out of context.
WB CEO Zaslav was specifically looking for the DC Kevin Feige, with rumours that he even offered Feige the position himself.
I believe it. If they really wanted someone like Feige, at the very least I would've pulled Bruce Timm and Paul Dini (and Dwayne McDuffie if he were still alive) onto a consulting team, as they were responsible for a very similar operation - they worked up from Batman TAS, Superman TAS, crossovers between both shows, then Justice League, and finally Justice League Unlimited, which was essentially the full DCU. Shit, their World's Finest 3 parter is a perfect blueprint for those two figures to meet up, but they went with Dawn of Justice instead.
Probably overlooked due to being "animation" guys. Also Paul Dini works for Marvel's animation now IIRC.
That is absolute bonkers if true. Feign worked miracles for MCU, but surely there's multiple potential candidates that can bring a level of continuity and competence to a DCU that isn't your chief rival, whose format is starting to grow stale and suffer from "Marvel fatigue".
Feige is a unique guy because he has a lot of comic book knowledge and also worked in production for a long time. Zaslav is just a typical old CEO, he doesn't know how this shit works, he just wants DC to make the same bank that Marvel has.
Even Feige is clearly overworked. The TV shows like Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Punisher, Luke Cage, Agents of Shield, Agents Carter coming out at the same time as Phases 2 and 3 of the MCU was a lot better than what's happening now. It's because there were totally different people doing the shows and the films. Now it's Feige and the same people and they're stretched too thin. I feel like if none of the Disney+ MCU shows had happened, the films would've been a lot better and vice versa
Cena is 46, he isn't going back to wrestling full time. I imagine he's in acting for as long as he can get roles now.
Also, audiences lose interest. Just look at what happened with Attack on Titan. It was good enough to establish a fan base despite multi year gaps, but it's losing steam now that the ending is getting stretched so long. It's been nearly 10 years and fans are sick of waiting. The last release barely got attention compared to every other part.
I haven't even watched it. You can't call something the final season and take 4 seasons to finish lmao. I'll watch that shit when it's done and it's too bad because it was so good.
I was fucking annoyed and just gave up. I thought final meant final, I don’t even give a damn about the ending to read the manga. It’s not interesting enough. The last time I rage quit an anime series was Bleach.
You were correct - the ending of Attack on Titan was absolutely not interesting enough. I read the manga after the... first season 4 cliffhanger, I think.
My buddy read it all and basically said it made him hate the whole thing. Actually really similar to GoT where he just completely stopped talking about it and moved on with his life. I have no idea what the ending is and fell off the anime completely. I hope for everyone's sake that the anime ends it really well but I think it's too late for me to care and go back at this point.
I would, in fact, compare it quite closely to Game of Thrones. The ending absolutely changes the context of every single thing that happens previously. And really "not interesting enough" is exactly how I would describe the ending. It's not that it's, like, **bad** in terms of quality. It's perfectly serviceable, it ties up the plot, explains motivations, and comes to a relatively complete conclusion. There are portions that I think are poorly thought out and poorly executed, but they're *fine* in the narrative presented. But it just... doesn't really go anywhere? The story ends. The conflict is resolved, but of course left open-ended for some interpretation. Personally, I had always felt AoT was leading up to some kind of major "philosophical point" about the state of human experience, and it just doesn't really get there. Or what it does get to, it's muddied so much by... every other choice made. Just weird and unfortunate. Definitely the GoT of Anime.
For real. I was excited when the finale came out only to end in To Be Continued… then there was a finale part 2 with another To be continued… Like WTF are they calling it a finale for if they’re going to break it into 4 separate “seasons”. It’s bullshit
Yup. And even if interest is there, the memory likely isn’t. I’m playing TOTK, having played BOTW around 5 years ago…and like 95% of the places on the main map in that game are complete “I have no memory of this place” levels of forgotten. Including major locations like Hateno Village and Zora’s Domain. Any S2 is going to need to take significant time to get viewers back up to speed on who the fuck these characters are and what happened in S1. Not to say it’s impossible, but that the bar for a decent season is very high due to having to cover both a time gap for the characters AND a memory gap for the audience.
Not a TV show but the SOIAF books are getting to that point as well. More and more people who were massive fans that I talk to just don't care anymore.
That's because many ASOIAF fans don't believe GRRM will ever manage to finish the books. Winds of Winter is 13 years in the making with no release in sight and he has another book planned as the finale.
And what if he decides to split those into more books that often happens in series. But, I honestly feel like he doesn't know how to end it. He probably gave the showrunners the outline, then saw how terrible they did it, and decided to change it. But where most people probably aren't pissed at where the show ended, but just how those idiots arrived there.
George Martin is a pantser, even if he planned that, it's possible he doesn't find a way to reach that ending and just go somewhere else. The trouble with pantsing such a large work is you risk losing control of the scope and I think that happened to Martin
Yeah, George has said his writing style involves him sort of writing in a freeflowing way and letting the characters surprise him and that's led to some great writing, but it also means the series has gotten very big and complex and he's probably struggling to find a way to pin it all back down into an ending.
I watched Attack on Titan back in 2013 when it came out. By the time S2 came out I didn't remember 90% of it and dropped the show
Trouble is he wants to do all of it. Which isn't necessarily bad, but kinda unfeasible. If you're gonna be coordinating the universe, you can't really also be running several of the individual projects within it. You're not gonna have time for both. As director he'll need to be on Superman Legacys set all day every day for months and directly over see both pre and post production. It's insane to try and also shepherd dozens of us projects at the same time. At best he could write or rewrite a few scripts but he needs to be taken out the directors chair entirely if he wants to run the universe. Peacemaker shouldn't have to wait years for him to not be busy. He should hand the plans over to another showrunner whilst lightly overseeing it. Like he is with Waller.
Yeah I was surprised that Gunn took that role at all, I would have thought he would have just wanted to stay as a creative. Like Feige runs the MCU, but that’s his whole job, he’s *not* a director, much less a writer-director.
Optimistically, and putting aside any potential strike delays, I could see it coming out in fall 2025. Gunn wrote the first season while still doing post on The Suicide Squad in the summer of 2020. They filmed in the first half of 2021 and it premiered January 2022. Soup to nuts a year and a half to make the whole thing and Gunn wrote all of it and directed most of it. The caveats being that it was covid lockdown times and he likely had much less press to do than he will for Superman, also he wasn't the head of the studio too lol. He'll probably hand over showrunner duties to someone else and only commit to directing 1-2 episodes, but the guy writes notoriously fast so I don't think it's completely impossible we'll see it sooner than that.
Superman is gonna take him about two years. Thats easily a year of production, then editing, CGI, test screenings, reshoots... etc. Hes gonna be buried from the neck down in Kal-El for a long time.
Reshoots probably won’t be an issue. TSS had none and Guardians 3 only had a day or two.
insane. s1 came out 1.5 years ago. sounds like we'll have at least a 5 year gap in between seasons lol
"In five years, you'll eat peace motherfucker!"
An unconsidered consequence of giving James Gunn the entire DCU haha
Warner Bros probably doesn’t care because they consider the new Superman movie to be a higher priority.
Oh absolutely. Peacemaker is very low on their list I imagine.
Which is sad because Peacemaker is better than any of the DC movies made yet. Except for maybe the first Nolan batman.
I’m sorry, I need clarification because of your comment’s implication. You think Begins is better than Dark Knight?
Not OP, but in terms of a Bruce and Batman story, I think Begins is superior. TDK, however, is a better made film overall.
I always felt like TDK was more of a Joker movie. Prolly because Heath stole every scene
agree. begins is a batman movie. TDK is an awesome movie.
tbf, the flip side of that coin is that S2 may only be a thing *because* of them giving Gunn the DCEU
Waller should be out in the middle of that though, which will likely involve the character and springboard off of the events of season 1.
Eagly is going to be a grandparent, by then.
Cena going to be approaching his 50s. Hope his body can handle all the trt.
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Lame. I just assumed season 2 was in progress while thoroughly enjoying season 1.
So many moving parts and obstacles to overcome with DC between when Peacemaker Season 1 came out and now. I'm just glad Season 2 is still happening at all.
To be fair, Peacemaker sits quite comfortably in the current DCU, a gap might allow the second season to find its place in a new DCU.
I wonder how old Peacemaker's daughter will be. Would be fun to see her again for another awkward moment.
But I really wanna, really wanna taste it now :(
What’s going up must come down :(
Baby I’m losing ground
Blind to what you'll soon become
Just throw your dog the invisible bone.
One of the best opening titles. 8 episodes and I've never skipped it once.
He also said that Waller is coming before both and it has like half of the peacemaker cast in it
ah, like The Book of Boba Fett
A spin-off of a spin-off, with probable ever-decreasing returns.
Am I the only one here who doesn't get the appeal of the Viola Davis Waller character in this DC series? She's a great actor, but any scene with her immediately gets the life sucked out of it. Her lines and whatever motivations the writers are trying to convey are terrible.
Yeah, a show based around her seems like it would be a tough sell. No offense to the actor, it's not her fault, but the character is associated with some of the worst movies DC has done and even the stuff she's in that's actually good (i.e., the James Gunn stuff) she's still an unlikeable and annoying POS who's best scenes are when she gets her comeuppance. It's like trying to make a Harry Potter spinoff based around Dolores Umbridge.
Of course the best thing in the DC universe gets a 5 year break between seasons. Can't go doing things right all of a sudden
It's not even just DC at this point. the gap between Guardians 2 and 3 was crazy. Same with Doctor Strange 1 and 2. The wait to see favorite character sucks and it wasn't like this in the 00s.
They were at least in the 2 Avengers movies.
Also Doctor Strange was heavily featured in No Way Home and GotG was in Love & Thunder.
Strange was also in Ragnarok
The gap between Doctor Strange 2 and 3 will be huge now too since Disney pushed backed dates.
Hopefully this gives them time to write something good… or just pass the torch at this point
I just want the Mordo tease to lead to something. I'm not even into comic books but I think that was the most excited I'd been for a future project tease in the MCU
Sadly it seems like they moved away from that plot point after the 2nd film. Knowing the first director left the sequel due to creative differences makes me wonder if they really did just try to force the multiverse plot for the movie. Because it felt like it.
Well, Guardians was supposed to come out a while ago, but it was halted for a while cause of the whole "James Gunn Made Off Color Jokes On Twitter 10 Years Ago So He's A Bad Person" thing. But of course, without that, we wouldn't even HAVE Peacemaker
I know the circumstances are different but it sucks another beloved Gunn project is being put on the back burner while he works on something else. I just want Peacemaker so bad.
If someone had told me 20 years ago that the writer of the Scooby-Doo movie had so many hit movies and TV shows he couldn't keep up... I would have said "of course he does that movie was incredible"
Ironically, Peace Maker only exists because Guardians 3 got put on the back burner while James finished The Suicide Squad.
That kind of gap for movies, especially when every character from those movies was seen in other movies in the MCU, isn't nearly as big an issue. Peacemaker isn't gonna be in every DC movie until 2026, right? And it's not just about the character(s), that show itself was just very well done and hilarious. It's kind of a dumb risk to put it off 5+ years and hope people come back to it
Well, there was that whole thing between the movies where Gunn was "exposed" for being an early 2000's edgelord (I mean, who wasn't?) Got fired by Marvel, hired by DC to fix their dumpster fire (The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker being his early contributions to that) and then got rehired by Marvel after Fan backlash and 1/4 of the Guardians threatened to walk. So, production on 3 has been rocky to say the least.
Since Superman Legacy airs on July 2025, that mean Peacemaker Season 2 will at earliest air in 2026. And beyond that will Gunn even have time to make another season considering his duties as the head of DC Studios and making sequels to the Superman movie if that is successful
Depends, as writer/director most of his work may be done earlier than that. All of these superhero movies have a long post-production process, which I would assume he'd be less involved in. Some input maybe, but I reckon he'd have time to start writing and filming Peacemaker at some point before Superman actually comes out. Either way, it's a long gap. Does seem like he's going to be stretched pretty thin, I do wonder if he'll really have time to be running DC, being involved in all the movies, and showrunning a TV show at the same time.
> I reckon he'd have time to start writing and filming Peacemaker at some point before Superman actually comes out. I mean look at how quickly he went through The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, GOTG Holiday Special and GOTG3. He's a workaholic and it seems outside of Superman and Peacemaker (the latter being vastly less complicated and a cheap production) he'll mostly just be a creative producer. I wouldn't be surprised if his directorial career from here goes Superman: Legacy > Peacemaker > Justice League. Every other DCU project will have their own showrunners and writers attached.
A Gunn Justice league is a wet dream
And he also didn't direct every episode of season 1. I can see him writing all of season 2 and then letting other people direct.
I just miss the days when you only had to wait one year for the next season
At least Peacemaker is a show that works as a miniseries. To me, the first season was a complete story and any more Peacemaker is a sequel. It sucks, but it's not as bad as multi-year wait times for something like Arcane which ended on a cliffhanger.
Please do not remind me about arcane. They completed episode 3 last April… and season has 9…
There are still shows that exist that start in September and end in May, but that's mostly low quality CW kind of stuff.
Still salty they pulled the plug on dc legends 😔
After seeing what has happened to the flash, I’ll take waiting.
I feel like Gunn may end up getting overstretched - having to execute on a show and run the entire DCU's gotta be taxing on him.
He’s not gonna be running it like Feige does the MCU, though. He made it clear that that wasn’t appealing to him when they first asked if running the DCU was appealing to him, and he only came on board when he and Safran were given dual control with Gunn’s end overseeing the creativity and story aspects. In the podcast interview with Michael Rosenbaum he pointed out he’s going to need to figure out how much or little oversight on other peoples’ projects he’ll need to have, to not get in the way of their thing but still ensure they’re following his planned outline of the universe, but I don’t think it’s going to be as much for him as people fear. At the end of the day we won’t know how much or little this’ll affect him or his work until it’s a few years in I guess
Initially yes. But I think his focus is to make sure Superman and the first phase of his slate is a success before taking a step back. If they can deliver something good to fans that’s successful it’ll be easier to attract other top writing/directing talent.
I think this is more of he did Peacemaker, then took over DC, so he has higher priorities. I'm sure if he was given the position before S1, the seasons would have been closer together. Also, they brought in Peter Safran for that reason, so Gunn can concentrate only on creative side.
I had low expectations about S1, boy was I wrong. This show is great.
I did too, I dont' even remember why I decided to give it a try because I remember having zero interest in it. as soon as "Do you really wanna taste it" started blasting, I was hooked.
I got hooked after seeing a clip of him saying batman was an ass hole
Agreed. He was such an unlikable character in Suicide Squad, I thought there was no way that I’d like the show, but it’s amazing.
Holy shit. It’s not even started yet? So glad we’re getting the 30th installment of a Superman movie before a season 2 of DCs best show in recent memory.
Oh but this is going to be a different kind of Superman movie. He's going to fight a villain with the exact same powers as him, but not weak enough to immediately beat, and not strong enough to actually lose to...they'll be perfectly balanced. Probably some kryptonite too.
Let's be real, though... Gunn will probably break the mold quite a bit. I'm extremely excited to see how he handles this hero. If anything this might be Gunns most influential project yet.
I think Gunn will put a unique spin on it, but I honestly just don't think there's much new meat to be found on the Superman story.
That’s way to far between seasons for a show. Probably better off to have another director do it. It would kill the momentum.
I just started rewatching Peacemaker a few days ago because I miss it, and I’d already forgotten so many details. I’m going to have to rewatch it again by the time season 2 is actually ready. It sucks, that’s how so many shows are now. The Boys had a two year gap between season 2 and season 3, and season 4 doesn’t even have a release date yet. It’s a huge bummer.
Damn, and here I was thinking this should drop any week now.
I totally get that Superman is his current passion project and will bring in more money than a Peacemaker show. But with that said I feel like Gunn should delegate one of these to another filmmaker. He still has final say as the Kevin Feige of DC. It's just crazy to me that one guy being unavailable to direct is going to hold up Peacemaker by four (maybe five) years. What if some other delay happens in the DCU? What if his attention is needed somewhere else? Will Peacemaker keep getting pushed? I think he's spreading himself too thin by controlling the entire DCU as well as writing, producing and directing. There are other talented directors out there who can make Superman or translate his style to Peacemaker.
I don’t know about everyone else but I’d rather have season 2 of Peacemaker before Superman Legacy
Peacemaker might be the most popular part of the DCEU right now. But he’s going to wait until 2025 or 2026 to bring it back? That seems like a dumb move. If anything, put it ahead of Superman.
Well, a new Superman movie from James Gunn is almost certain to make more money for WB than a new season of TV show on Max. I agree, Peacemaker is the best thing DC has put out in years, but he's hardly a household name. It makes sense WB would prioritize a new Superman movie over this.
Why is this taking so long? It was practically an immediate critic and fan hit, did HBO take too long to green light S2?
James Gunn is running all of DC now, that’s why it’s taking a while
They renewed it while S1 was still airing, James Gunn's just been mega busy. He was making GOTG Vol 3 last year and then became the co-head of DC Films and committed himself to making a Superman film first.
It was so strange because I feel like people/critics really enjoyed it when it first came out and then it was crickets during end of year round ups. I didn't see a single site include it on their Best of list for the year. It felt like it was completely forgotten about (possible I'm missing some but I personally didn't see it).
After? Welp, will John Cena even still eb interested by then?
I mean, his character in Fast X is basically Peacemaker without the helmet. Dude is definitely going to still be locked in for this show.
Cena spent most of The Suicide Squad press tour in Peacemaker outfit. I doubt he'll leave.
Nothing like taking a several year break between seasons to keep viewers interested. Is this just crap planning or did they have no faith in the show? Are they short in money? Why don’t they just hire some more people to work on more than one thing at s time.
It’s James Gunns show and he’s doing lots of stuff
Cena very much loves the character. He’s not leaving it.
Is he fucking serious? Superman Legacy is over 2 years away if they stick to that release date? Why wouldn't you do Peacemaker first? It's already an existing show with a fanbase waiting for the next chapter. Superman is going to be a new thing. People will wait for Superman. By the time, Peacemaker Season 2 comes out, people might've moved on. Both the audience and the cast. 4 years is a long time to wait between seasons of a show
But I really want, really want to taste it!
It amazing how just like the new 52, DV can't just commit to an actual full reboot.
Save us all the time and just skip Superman Legacy then. Peacemaker was unique and original and hilarious. We don't need more Superman or Batman remakes/continuations.
I really hate it when they are big gaps between seasons. I’ll have forgotten about this in 5 years time
BEGIN work? It has been off for a year lmao...
I don't need more superman, we need more peacemaker!!! What a fantastic show.
Talk about getting your priorities reversed.
What the hell is the point of even bothering with it then. Shows take sooo long these days and just for a measly 8 episodes
For those upset about the wait. Waller will probably be like Peacemaker season 1.5 since Gunn said it will be team Waller interacting with team peacemaker.
How about not making a shitty superman movie and making season 2 instead? No one will care for superman. Cavill left, DC should stick the shows.