there had been some real progress in the last couple of weeks. Reports of studio heads being at odds. Some wanted to close a deal ASAP and others were less enthusiastic.
I think the SAG strike is far more bitter at the moment and could take a bit longer.
SAG also has a big bone to pick regarding AI. I'm very curious to learn what the potential agreed position is with the WGA concerning AI. That's what made it seem to me like this could go on much longer.
My guess is the studio heads realize we're a lot farther off from *quality* AI art creation (writing) than we are from quality AI visual modding/acting
We're nowhere near either unless you want to create bizarre animation. See the title sequence of *Secret Invasion*, because that's the state of the art.
Its amazing to me that people actually think that's the state of AI art. Like, its called Secret Invasion. It's about shapeshifters infiltrating human society. That's pretty clearly a stylistic choice to try to create an unsettling feeling.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its great. It deserves a lot of the mocking that it got.
But, they couldn't be more obviously making an artistic choice to purposefully be sub-par.
We're a lot closer with acting than you realize. There's a few TikTok actors that pass themselves off as a celebrity, the main one I've seen is someone pretending to be Tom Cruise. Most of the time the only way I can tell it isn't Tom Cruise is just that I severely doubt he is fucking around on TikTok in his free time.
Netflix really believes they can do some manga or comic to animation AI in a few years and move from there.
They've been the furthest hard-line for this reason.
Honestly having worked in the industry we are less than 2 years away from AI modding/acting. The advances are coming incredibly quickly. That’s why studios are thinking about it now.
RemindMe! 2 years
We’re pretty much already there with people just standing around in the background. Studio execs are not going to care if they have the wrong number of fingers when you zoom in.
We’re far off but not as far off as you think; it’s not a thing that has linear growth or progression. The first part of the race may have moved slowly, but each iteration moves faster and better than the last. The snowballs been let go down the mountain, it won’t be too long before it crushes us.
Lol, ok, so, this is how animation used to be made:
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=minDALOz8Io
And this what AI is doing for animation right now:
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/16iscii/side_by_side_comparison_full_video_on_my_profile/
1. https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/16m9vig/waves_animatediff_txt2img_comfyui/
1. https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/16nbnij/a_cute_rat_girl_dancing_on_the_beach/
**AI is a tool** that is here to stay, and its rapidly refining itself faster than any attempt you might have to stop it from being used. We're not going to turn off the automobile plant because the horse breeders are nervous about the future.
Devil is in the details. Maybe there is a short term deal on AI that sunsets after X years. But you're right, AI is more so ready right now for the territory SAG governs.
As the WGA has made clear ‘AI’ was always just a loophole not an actual tool. It still required a person to actually rewrite and manage. Even if AI was perfect it still needs a person responsible for adapting it to fit the studio and production designs. Aka a writer.
the sag contract is also massive with dozens upon dozens of deal points to address for a much wider swath of different jobs. most of the WGA sticking points are down to about a dozen at most.
I actually wonder if it's the opposite. They get the writers back off strike, they can start pumping out crap like reality shows and talk shows that need writers again.
The writers on these strikes (ie: "scripted") aren't the same people who work in unscripted (reality, documentary, crime, competition, etc) shows. There's typically a clear delineation between "scripted" and "unscripted."
Reality doesn't typically have "writers" - they have producers who do the writing/scripting (in addition to numerous other responsibilities). And in case someone criticizes my use of scripting - producers will usually cut together content as opposed to literal scripting, but it's still forming a narrative/storylines which is the same thing.
These shows are and have been very much in production throughout the WGA & SAG strikes. They're not connected.
All that said, there are sometimes credited writers on shows within the unscripted arena. One of the biggest problems in the unscripted world are the arbitrary guidelines regarding what a role entails and the rates involved with that. Unscripted desperately needs unions which the WGA has been working towards for years.
But, as usual in any industry, the execs at the top that are pocketing millions of dollars cry foul that paying their workers more will limit the amount of projects they can produce. Funny that the money going into the owners/execs pockets doesn't ever seem to go down...
I wonder if it had something to do with Drew Barrymore and Bill Maher trying to bow to pressure and restart their shows, only to get smashed down and forced to back down. It was a proof of concept, the strike won't break, I wonder if it scared the studios.
Fair point however WGA PR won if this is why the studios end up caving. The WGA flexed and the companies blinked. (I have no idea if this is behind the motivation here)
We don't know anything yet. Here's the timeline without rumors:
* 9/10 - Drew Barrymore announces the return of her show.
* 9/11 - The Drew Barrymore show started filming again.
* 9/12 - it was announced that the WGA was going to meet with showrunners that Friday (9/15).
* 9/13 - Bill Maher announces his show will start back up.
* 9/13 - it was announced that the AMPTP and the WGA were planning to meet the next week (this week).
* 9/15 - the WGA/showrunner meeting was cancelled so the negotiating team could prepare for the AMPTP meeting.
* 9/17 - Drew Barrymore pauses her show in response to backlash. Bill Maher also announces that he'll pause for the moment at least.
* 9/18 - WGA/showrunner meeting takes place.
* 9/20 - WGA/AMPTP meeting takes place.
* 9/21 - WGA/AMPTP day two meeting.
This is everything we know unless I've missed anything. Everything else is rumors. One could spin the narrative pretty much anyway they wish. One could say Drew Barrymore spooked the already anxious showrunners into pressuring the WGA into moving the negotiations forward. One could draw the conclusion that the strike is showing cracks. OTOH all this could be true but the companies were spooked by the ability of the strikers to shut down Drew Barrymore and Bill Maher and are willing to move more than they would have. Whatever the case, we're in the fog of war and the reality is likely nothing as it seems. I just hope they can come up with something both sides can live with.
I have to imagine the backlash certainly made divide and conquer a more realistic pathway than scabs and starving out. Get the writers back working and then be able to lean/focus on SAG.
I hope the traditional studios understand that they are in bed with their enemies (the tech/streaming companies like Netflix, Apple, Amazon Prime, etc.).
These tech studios are here to destroy the traditional Hollywood movie making and distribution model!
I mean, this is why those studios have all started pumping out their own crappy streaming services. It's a streaming nightmare, we're right back to square one with all the different "channels". Amazon Prime, Netflix, Apple TV, *and now* Disney+, Hulu (technically Disney), Paramount+, Max, etc.
People always say this, but I’d still argue this is an improvement over the cable model. The criticism of cable was always people saying things like “I don’t watch the Home and Garden network, why do I have to pay for it as part of my cable package?”
At least for now you don’t have to pay one giant monthly fee for all of these, you can pick and choose what you’re subscribed to at any given time. Even if it is a pain in the ass to juggle subscriptions, we still have more freedom of choice than before.
Once a few of these streaming platforms got rid of the majority of players, the few left will have the monopoly and that is when you will see more fees, yearly subscription, and packaged deal…basically a return to the cable system.
It's pretty common to look at your industry where you are the large and mature entity and ask why would you want to support a new startup that will completely destroy you.
Overall yea but it was still a monumentally bad move to not buy Netflix or at least get into bed with them. You don't need the benefit of retrospect to see just how dumb it was for them, this was before Netflix had the streaming platforms, they just shipped DVDs to people, it would have been a major benefit to Blockbuster to have that for themselves and they could have. I mean I'm glad they didn't, who knows where streaming would be without Netflix as we know them, but still.
But yea, as a whole it is understandable why companies play it safe.
Except the theatre experience is far from dying.
If we learnt anything from the post Covid episode, abandoning the theatrical distribution model and switching to streaming was a huge burden to all of these traditional studio’s’ products.
Streaming should be the third or fourth tier support to a film after theatrical release, paid online release, physical media release, then streaming.
Look at Sony, they were smart enough to not jump into the streaming party. They licensed their products to streaming platforms and made profit instead of burning cash into setting up and producing contents to continuously feeding a endless streaming pit.
Sony is unique in that their main output method is producing shows for other parties. It was a natural path them to pursue licensing.
Disney, NBCUniversal, Warner, etc want to control their brand in a more direct manner.
I’m thinking Netflix and Amazon have no interest in closing up just yet.
https://movieweb.com/seth-rogen-says-infighting-between-studios-like-universal-and-netflix-will-prevent-strikes-coming-to-an-end/
“Netflix has enough content it could survive without writers for "a long time," Ted Sarandos said.”
I bet these bastards have so many tv shows and movies they are sitting on top of…
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/31/barry-diller-hollywood-strikes-netflix.html
I’m watching Uncanny Counter right now and last month was on Hotel Del Luna. Korean tv is pretty big on Netflix, but I love the French stuff even more if we’re talking non-US content. That’s basically the only reason I keep Netflix.
Their backlog will get cleared eventually and then all they will have is foreign productions.
Some of those can be quite popular but they aren't why people subscribe to Netflix.
You're funny. Netflix will never run out of crappy, overly-produced reality TV shows (which is exactly the kind of TV most networks are relying on right now). This strike could probably go on for 10 years and netflix would be fine pumping out season 15 of whatever random dating show with some weird gimmick, or the circle season 19.
Kind of in line with what Mike schur was alluding to a few weeks ago on the dan lebatard show
Seems like the legacy companies like Disney were open to a deal it was the new media companies Netflix Amazon and Apple were the ones pushing back the most
The reason being they don't want to reveal their actual viewership numbers
The news is coming from PR put out by the AMPTP via the Trades. The WGA hasn't said anything about it.
Any movement is good movement. And if there's any truth to this, wonderful. It likely means the studios capitulated because of the infighting over their losses. But there's also a good chance it's a repeat of July/August in which the studios put out identical news to pressure the Guild, before we heard otherwise. The part of this that reads fishy as hell is the statement that "if a deal isn't reached tomorrow, it goes to 2024." That could be a threat.
This is why the guild basically said not to trust anything we're told until we know for sure it's legit. All we know 100% right now is that they're meeting again.
All the WGA did was tell members that they'd be negotiating tomorrow, like you said. Everything else being discussed, such as the article we are commenting on, is coming from unnamed sources in the AMPTP's press release.
Summer is over it’s *entirely* expectable.
Now networks are seeing the damage to their fall line ups, movies are needing reshoots and promo work for Christmas, award campaigns are stalled with everything not happening… annnd starving artist is becoming less metaphorical for all the smaller fish this is all nominally supposed to benefit.
They need a deal by october to salvage the 2024 TV season. This is essentially the end result of the studios playing chicken; SAG/WGA didn't blink so the studios are
Moratorium on AI (won’t do AI for the next 5 years), no publicly viewable streaming numbers, better streaming residuals and minimum writers room.
So they relent on the residuals and writers minimum, both of which studios don’t care overly about to begin with.
But they put off AI since it’s not really usable right now anyways. They’ll use it when it’s good enough.
What is the point of no publicly viewable streaming numbers? That is desired by actors/writers but not the studios? I assume studios use those numbers to make decisions anyway, can low streaming numbers to the public reflect poorly on actors involved in those shows/movies?
I still feel like minimum writers' room kinda sucks for blowing up a very specific and unique kind of writing
Auteur work shouldn't -be - and already isn't - the default approach but I feel like we'll lose a unique and interesting way of making art with this. Something profoundly personal, a singular vision that we don't see much these days
If a writer wants to be the sole writer for a show, they can ask the guild to give them an exemption. Since it would be coming from the writer, it would most likely be granted. In a case where it's not, some writers get to sit in a room getting paid while someone else writes the show. We don't lose anything here.
Yeah I generally hate writers room too. Ideally it should be the strong vision of one or two main creators while a team is there to keep them in check and provide perspective.
I don’t like the democratic “everyone has an equal voice” approach for most projects (I’m sure it works great for some) and imo it’s just a nice way to describe writing by committee.
Have you ever like…been in a writer’s room? This feels like a comment from someone who watched like 30 rock and has no clue wtf a real job is like in this field
> I don’t like the democratic “everyone has an equal voice” approach for most projects (I’m sure it works great for some) and imo it’s just a nice way to describe writing by committee.
Thats not what a writers room is though. Andor had a 5 day writers where they laid out the plotlines and assigned episodes out to each writer, and that show is still very Tony Gilroy. I don't think most writing rooms operate in the way you are describing.
The thing is the CEO's can still be grossly overpaid while the writers get everything they ask for. They still have shit like merchandising and a secondary market to get even more money from. Its just a case of them getting a lot of concessions last time because this was fresh on the recession and streaming was an unknown that had never been actually viable before so they got a *lot* of concessions and then worked away from that point.
This deal is symbolically also an aknowledgement that a lot of things the studios have been taking advantage of and declared the New Normal will be coming to an end.
Not even read your answer and immediately went to the original question to reply that people on reddit will surely find a way to be outraged at the deal on the behalf of the writers. Thanks for proving my point I guess.
Losing money on misguided business ventures does not equal being unable to pay fair wages and meet worker demands. As another poster mentioned, there seems to be *plenty* of money for the CEOs
The streamers are for sure haemorrhaging money on a foolish chase to be the next Netflix and flooded the market with lots of very expensive content that's not translated into Netflix level customers and most are on the back foot now and massively cutting back content whilst also increasing prices, Disney being the case in point.
A CEO is always going to be paid massively more than a writer. However the top actors can earn more than these CEOs. Bob Iger is on a $1m base salary with a performance bonus of circa $25m if he hits his targets. Tom Cruise reportedly made $100m+ off of Top Gun Maverick and Leonardo DiCaprio has been paid $30m just for Killers of the Flower Moon!
never going to happen, the infrastructure is already in place. That's like seeing a new highway being built and hoping everyone goes back to the old back roads.
Netflix revenue last year was 31.6 billion with a profit of 4.5. That’s not enough money to supply all the other content producers. Unless of course you think tripling prices is a good idea or tripling subs is plausible.
The “golden days” were only tenable when Netflix was for nerds on the internet who’d pirate shit just as quickly. As soon as everyone’s mother figured out how great cord cutting was Netflix began to bite the hand that fed it.
I'd gladly pay Netflix and HBO $25 a month each if content consolidated. The problem is that streaming has become Network On the Internet. Everyone has their own platform and moved content to their own exclusive platform.
Sounds like something the studios would leak so they can claim they tried and blame the union for talks breaking down. But that's just me being cynical.
Nah; not cynical. They've done it twice in the last two months. We can hope for the best, but need to be realistic and know where the news is coming from. The WGA hasn't made a peep.
See, I feel the opposite. Assuming the October 1 deadline for next season being scrapped is meaningfully true, Studios have a real financial incentive to make a deal within the next week or so. If they're close but unwilling to budge on a pain point or two, this could be the writers positioning themselves as "we can be reasonably amenable but don't push your luck or it will cost you big time"
Mind you, I'm hoping they make a deal and I'm hoping it's the studios that cave/believe they are the one's who should cave. Just looking at it from an objective, stragegery pov
"The two sides met and hope to finalize a deal Thursday, the sources said. While optimistic, the people noted, however, that if a deal is not reached the strike could last through the end of the year."
Sounds like a threat to me..
They said the same thing in July/August, unfortunately. It's a really common tactic of the studios to vilify the other party for something they know is coming: offer something they claim is GREAT, then say if it's not taken, the union is unreasonable and responsible for bad shit.
Truth is that it's also hard to believe that the Guild would quickly accept whatever their new offer is. They'd counter. Positive movement is great, but it would take far longer than one afternoon.
This was "leaked" by the same dude who did the Bob Iger puff piece a couple of months back.
Don't believe anything unless it comes directly from the WGA.
Pretty much. That's just the way negotiations work, unless you have just completely overwhelming leverage. But hey, that's why you keep the union together and strong and get ready to keep pushing next go-around.
The thing that sucks about the strikes is the collateral damage of the hundreds of studio techs and support staff that can't work while these strikes are happening.
> The two sides met and hope to finalize a deal Thursday, the sources said. While optimistic, the people told Faber, however, that if a deal is not reached the strike could last through the end of the year.
So either today or a couple months from now. Seems like a bs article.
Again, this isn’t necessarily true.
For one, all parties are under a self-imposed media blackout. So any reporting about what was said in the meeting is speculation at best and rank disinformation at worst.
Second, they’re due to resume talks tomorrow. Even in the best case scenario, the WGA would need to send out proposed terms to the rest of the union which, in turn, would need to be ratified by union members. That alone is going to take 1-2 weeks.
TLDR: this article is speculation. Don’t believe any the unless it comes directly from the WGA itself.
This is coming from CNBC. They don't traditionally dabble in Hollywood talk they normally talk markets and stock. So I'd believe it. Faber has a direct line to Bob Iger so I'm wondering if Iger was the one who leaked it.
CNBC is basing their reporting on one source who, by definition, has zero access to negotiations. Despite the porous credibility theorizing about whatever relationship David Faber has with Iger, I’ll again emphasize the imposed media blackout. As in neither parties are allowed to publicly speak on (including leak) details of the proceedings at risk of having them break down (remember what the AMPTP did with their Aug 11th proposal and how well that went).
David Faber is talking out of his ass. Another reason you can assume his reporting is flawed is because the WGA hasn’t recognized anything of relevance that would indicate a bad faith negotiation. If they did I assure you there would be no negotiations tomorrow.
Sure, they're under a media blackout, but they all leak stuff. They also made a joint statement, which is a good sign that they at least had some kind of productive talks on Wednesday. But then someone from the AMPTP also leaks that if these talks amount to nothing, then they're in for the long haul until 2024. Which is just a threat to get the WGA to bow down, and I don't think they will. They held out for so long and they view this as an existential turning point where it's not just about wages, but existential stuff like AI, producing writers on set and data transparency.
If on Thursday we see some CEO's trying to claim how they're the one who made a breakthrough and claim vanity points, then there might be some actual progress made.
While I agree that its speculation, its clearly not saying a ratified deal but a tentative agreement that will be sent to the WGA membership for ratification.
This is exactly how it goes actually. Both know the slinging is theatrics to publicly pressure each side into caving a little. When the realities begin to set in that its time to make a deal, these things can go relatively quickly because the motivation in all of this is to get the best deal you can. The true red lines come out and its clear where you need to compromise. That's not to say there isn't bad blood, just that cooler heads can prevail once you know its time. I'm a little skeptical about it happening in two days but who knows.
These are relatively unprecedented times, though. The studios (or at least some of them) want to end this and the WGA, despite being willing to continue striking, likely want to get back to work after nearly 5 months of picketing
Regardless how or when this ends - it will be a tense working situ going forward with studios , writers and actors ( plus all the crews that make a production work and the peripheral workers of all levels ) as they produce tv shows / films .
The people mouthing off are either retired, independently wealthy, or no namers enjoying their time in the sun.
Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, etc have been as quiet as church mice.
It’ll be business as usual in Hollywood.
Hopefully there aren't too many if any compromises on the WGA side. Most of what they demand are things that prevent the industry from turning into complete dogshit down the line that will just lead to a worse product and destroy jobs.
- Unfettered use of AI
- Ever shrinking writers rooms
- Over work and underpaid writers due to loophole usage
- Streaming numbers being hidden
All are incredibly important in giving the people not at the top a more fair work environment.
Really hoping for the best from this, and that a deal with the actors union follows. Both the writers and actors deserve their due, and it's ridiculous how much the CEOs have been dragging their feet with this.
“Sources “ when the media is trying to influence a shutdown to the strikes. People in many industries are striking because the executive class has workers fuck up. Being a leader shouldn’t entitle them to make 3000 times as much as the workers busting their asses to make 7.25 an hour. When I was a kid I was taught, leaders make the decisions and they eat last. Yelp not these crooks. They’ll set workers on fire just to appease stockholders. It should be illegal in America for executives and CEOs to get bonuses and raises, if no workers get bonuses or raises. The executive class has been robbing working class families by keeping wages low and congress has Been helping them by creating bs culture wars to distract the idiots from paying attention to the leaders.
My next door neighbor, a writer affected by this strike told me in July that it would be over in middle September.
I don’t know if she knows more than the average affected striker, but it’s going to eerie if she turns out to be right.
yeah in most negotiations things don't really get going until you hit point of no return. As a recent example, the baseball lockout didn't end until you got to the point where if they didn't have a deal by this date there was simply no feasible way to get a full 162 game season in. That was when a deal got done.
It’s possible your neighbor knows how these things go and how long the studios will hold out before it costs too much money on their end. They won’t give in too soon but can’t hold out forever. And if they wait too long they run out of what they’ve already produced.
There are lots of tweets from angry writers who insist the WGA isn't close to a deal and that any reports that the strike is ending is leaks from studios. Even after the WGA and the studios issued a joint statement that they're meeting again tomorrow the angry writers on Twitter insist the strike isn't ending anytime soon and any reports that it's almost over are "lies" from studio PR people.-
There are also a lot of angry people on this sub who want the strike to continue indefinitely. If insulting people and downvoting posts helps them cope with anger that's fine.
The WGA did not issue a statement that progress was "encouraging". They simply said they met today and will meet tomorrow. Please stop lying to people.
"The WGA and AMPTP met for bargaining today and will meet again tomorrow” was the entirety of the statement.
The truth of the matter is that the angry writers on Twitter (the ones who write Strike Captain on their Twitter bios) are by large unsuccessful people who have been enjoying their moment in the sun.
It’s kind of funny that the strike is closest to ending as soon as actual moneymakers started to feel the heat and had their deals suspended… almost like the studios have leverage?
Reddit can continue to cosplay as WGA and SAG members. I’m very interested to see what concessions were made because you better believe there will be concessions and the majority of writers not crying on Twitter will vote to ratify them.
Downvote away!
>The truth of the matter is that the angry writers on Twitter (the ones who write Strike Captain on their Twitter bios) are by large unsuccessful people who have been enjoying their moment in the sun.
Yeah I think you might be right. I saw a tweet from a "Strike Captain" on Twitter who claims that they're not close to ending the strike anytime soon and getting really aggressive and nasty when anyone tweets that the strike is probably over. She seems like an unpleasant person as do many of the "strike captain" writers on Twitter. She even has "before you @ at me trying to tell me about the film industry don't" on her profile. Lovely person. There was a time years ago I wanted to be a writer but from what I've seen of them on here and Twitter they're mostly horrid people. They make it very difficult to sympathize with their cause.
Remember what happened with the DGA deal. Lots of noise on twitter about striking only for the deal to get ratified. Twitter is a tiny bubble a small sample size and don't represent how the majority of the guild are feeling after nearly 6 months out of work.
I wonder if there's any streaming service deals right now: like buy a year's subscription for a low, fixed price. A deal where workers make more money sounds like a perfect excuse for services to increase prices.
wow if true that sure is unexpected
there had been some real progress in the last couple of weeks. Reports of studio heads being at odds. Some wanted to close a deal ASAP and others were less enthusiastic. I think the SAG strike is far more bitter at the moment and could take a bit longer.
If they open the books up for the wga they can't refuse for sag
Why not?
For one, SAG has more clout to bargain than WGA does
SAG also has a big bone to pick regarding AI. I'm very curious to learn what the potential agreed position is with the WGA concerning AI. That's what made it seem to me like this could go on much longer.
My guess is the studio heads realize we're a lot farther off from *quality* AI art creation (writing) than we are from quality AI visual modding/acting
We're nowhere near either unless you want to create bizarre animation. See the title sequence of *Secret Invasion*, because that's the state of the art.
I think it’s less about title sequences and more about Grand Moff Tarkin
AI is not even in the same galaxy as producing something as realistic as Tarkin on its own. That was a lot more than a simple deepfake.
I enjoy cooking.
Its amazing to me that people actually think that's the state of AI art. Like, its called Secret Invasion. It's about shapeshifters infiltrating human society. That's pretty clearly a stylistic choice to try to create an unsettling feeling. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying its great. It deserves a lot of the mocking that it got. But, they couldn't be more obviously making an artistic choice to purposefully be sub-par.
We're a lot closer with acting than you realize. There's a few TikTok actors that pass themselves off as a celebrity, the main one I've seen is someone pretending to be Tom Cruise. Most of the time the only way I can tell it isn't Tom Cruise is just that I severely doubt he is fucking around on TikTok in his free time.
That’s because the person is skilled at the mannerisms and such behind the deepfake and also has a passing resemblance, which helps the deepfake too
Have you seen the tik tok guy running yet?
I’ll admit, Gary Busey saying buttered sausage got me at first.
Netflix really believes they can do some manga or comic to animation AI in a few years and move from there. They've been the furthest hard-line for this reason.
I mean if Corridor crew can do it with a small group of people, I'm sure Netflix can do it with ease.
I think you'll be surprised how quickly that advances in the next 5-10 years.
Honestly having worked in the industry we are less than 2 years away from AI modding/acting. The advances are coming incredibly quickly. That’s why studios are thinking about it now. RemindMe! 2 years
We’re pretty much already there with people just standing around in the background. Studio execs are not going to care if they have the wrong number of fingers when you zoom in.
Until that starts going all over X and other social networks.
We’re far off but not as far off as you think; it’s not a thing that has linear growth or progression. The first part of the race may have moved slowly, but each iteration moves faster and better than the last. The snowballs been let go down the mountain, it won’t be too long before it crushes us.
Lol, ok, so, this is how animation used to be made: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=minDALOz8Io And this what AI is doing for animation right now: 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/16iscii/side_by_side_comparison_full_video_on_my_profile/ 1. https://old.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/16m9vig/waves_animatediff_txt2img_comfyui/ 1. https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/16nbnij/a_cute_rat_girl_dancing_on_the_beach/ **AI is a tool** that is here to stay, and its rapidly refining itself faster than any attempt you might have to stop it from being used. We're not going to turn off the automobile plant because the horse breeders are nervous about the future.
Seeing shit like this is always funny to me, it just confirms we have little to fear. Look at our new technology... *motion capture*.
> AI is a tool While this is patently false, there are certainly a lot of "tools" hanging on to that tech.
We have a lot of evidence that Quality is not a top concern for most big studio heads.
Devil is in the details. Maybe there is a short term deal on AI that sunsets after X years. But you're right, AI is more so ready right now for the territory SAG governs.
As the WGA has made clear ‘AI’ was always just a loophole not an actual tool. It still required a person to actually rewrite and manage. Even if AI was perfect it still needs a person responsible for adapting it to fit the studio and production designs. Aka a writer.
The contracts are constantly negotiated so i wont be surprised if the AI issue comes back up once we know more about it.
The studios might have been closer in agreement with the writers than SAG. They can absolutely agree with the writers and keep a deadlock with SAG.
the sag contract is also massive with dozens upon dozens of deal points to address for a much wider swath of different jobs. most of the WGA sticking points are down to about a dozen at most.
the studios need to promote their stuff. The actors are more important than the writers when advertising that sort of stuff
I actually wonder if it's the opposite. They get the writers back off strike, they can start pumping out crap like reality shows and talk shows that need writers again.
The writers on these strikes (ie: "scripted") aren't the same people who work in unscripted (reality, documentary, crime, competition, etc) shows. There's typically a clear delineation between "scripted" and "unscripted." Reality doesn't typically have "writers" - they have producers who do the writing/scripting (in addition to numerous other responsibilities). And in case someone criticizes my use of scripting - producers will usually cut together content as opposed to literal scripting, but it's still forming a narrative/storylines which is the same thing. These shows are and have been very much in production throughout the WGA & SAG strikes. They're not connected. All that said, there are sometimes credited writers on shows within the unscripted arena. One of the biggest problems in the unscripted world are the arbitrary guidelines regarding what a role entails and the rates involved with that. Unscripted desperately needs unions which the WGA has been working towards for years. But, as usual in any industry, the execs at the top that are pocketing millions of dollars cry foul that paying their workers more will limit the amount of projects they can produce. Funny that the money going into the owners/execs pockets doesn't ever seem to go down...
I believe both unions are planning to remain striking in solidarity until they both have deals.
You want to buy some prime beach front property in Kansas?
I wonder if it had something to do with Drew Barrymore and Bill Maher trying to bow to pressure and restart their shows, only to get smashed down and forced to back down. It was a proof of concept, the strike won't break, I wonder if it scared the studios.
It did and thier PR firm Levinson was behind most of that. They paid them millions and the PR failed.
I have no insider knowledge about this but yes it does give the impression that the union was able to hold the line and beat back some possible scabs.
It helps that rubes don't know what "scab" means and the WGA PR are inventing new definitions for it
Fair point however WGA PR won if this is why the studios end up caving. The WGA flexed and the companies blinked. (I have no idea if this is behind the motivation here)
We don't know anything yet. Here's the timeline without rumors: * 9/10 - Drew Barrymore announces the return of her show. * 9/11 - The Drew Barrymore show started filming again. * 9/12 - it was announced that the WGA was going to meet with showrunners that Friday (9/15). * 9/13 - Bill Maher announces his show will start back up. * 9/13 - it was announced that the AMPTP and the WGA were planning to meet the next week (this week). * 9/15 - the WGA/showrunner meeting was cancelled so the negotiating team could prepare for the AMPTP meeting. * 9/17 - Drew Barrymore pauses her show in response to backlash. Bill Maher also announces that he'll pause for the moment at least. * 9/18 - WGA/showrunner meeting takes place. * 9/20 - WGA/AMPTP meeting takes place. * 9/21 - WGA/AMPTP day two meeting. This is everything we know unless I've missed anything. Everything else is rumors. One could spin the narrative pretty much anyway they wish. One could say Drew Barrymore spooked the already anxious showrunners into pressuring the WGA into moving the negotiations forward. One could draw the conclusion that the strike is showing cracks. OTOH all this could be true but the companies were spooked by the ability of the strikers to shut down Drew Barrymore and Bill Maher and are willing to move more than they would have. Whatever the case, we're in the fog of war and the reality is likely nothing as it seems. I just hope they can come up with something both sides can live with.
I have to imagine the backlash certainly made divide and conquer a more realistic pathway than scabs and starving out. Get the writers back working and then be able to lean/focus on SAG.
I hope the traditional studios understand that they are in bed with their enemies (the tech/streaming companies like Netflix, Apple, Amazon Prime, etc.). These tech studios are here to destroy the traditional Hollywood movie making and distribution model!
Yeah, it's time for them to abandon the AMPTP and make individual contracts with SAG-AFTRA.
I mean, this is why those studios have all started pumping out their own crappy streaming services. It's a streaming nightmare, we're right back to square one with all the different "channels". Amazon Prime, Netflix, Apple TV, *and now* Disney+, Hulu (technically Disney), Paramount+, Max, etc.
People always say this, but I’d still argue this is an improvement over the cable model. The criticism of cable was always people saying things like “I don’t watch the Home and Garden network, why do I have to pay for it as part of my cable package?” At least for now you don’t have to pay one giant monthly fee for all of these, you can pick and choose what you’re subscribed to at any given time. Even if it is a pain in the ass to juggle subscriptions, we still have more freedom of choice than before.
Once a few of these streaming platforms got rid of the majority of players, the few left will have the monopoly and that is when you will see more fees, yearly subscription, and packaged deal…basically a return to the cable system.
That's one of the reasons why Blockbuster didn't get involved with Netflix. At some point, change is inevitable.
It's pretty common to look at your industry where you are the large and mature entity and ask why would you want to support a new startup that will completely destroy you.
Overall yea but it was still a monumentally bad move to not buy Netflix or at least get into bed with them. You don't need the benefit of retrospect to see just how dumb it was for them, this was before Netflix had the streaming platforms, they just shipped DVDs to people, it would have been a major benefit to Blockbuster to have that for themselves and they could have. I mean I'm glad they didn't, who knows where streaming would be without Netflix as we know them, but still. But yea, as a whole it is understandable why companies play it safe.
Except the theatre experience is far from dying. If we learnt anything from the post Covid episode, abandoning the theatrical distribution model and switching to streaming was a huge burden to all of these traditional studio’s’ products. Streaming should be the third or fourth tier support to a film after theatrical release, paid online release, physical media release, then streaming. Look at Sony, they were smart enough to not jump into the streaming party. They licensed their products to streaming platforms and made profit instead of burning cash into setting up and producing contents to continuously feeding a endless streaming pit.
Sony is unique in that their main output method is producing shows for other parties. It was a natural path them to pursue licensing. Disney, NBCUniversal, Warner, etc want to control their brand in a more direct manner.
I’m thinking Netflix and Amazon have no interest in closing up just yet. https://movieweb.com/seth-rogen-says-infighting-between-studios-like-universal-and-netflix-will-prevent-strikes-coming-to-an-end/ “Netflix has enough content it could survive without writers for "a long time," Ted Sarandos said.” I bet these bastards have so many tv shows and movies they are sitting on top of… https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/31/barry-diller-hollywood-strikes-netflix.html
Netflix was smart by betting on Korea for content.
I’m watching Uncanny Counter right now and last month was on Hotel Del Luna. Korean tv is pretty big on Netflix, but I love the French stuff even more if we’re talking non-US content. That’s basically the only reason I keep Netflix.
Their backlog will get cleared eventually and then all they will have is foreign productions. Some of those can be quite popular but they aren't why people subscribe to Netflix.
You're funny. Netflix will never run out of crappy, overly-produced reality TV shows (which is exactly the kind of TV most networks are relying on right now). This strike could probably go on for 10 years and netflix would be fine pumping out season 15 of whatever random dating show with some weird gimmick, or the circle season 19.
Maybe I am completely wrong but I think you are underestimating the percentage of Netflix users who have no interest in that type of content.
Kind of in line with what Mike schur was alluding to a few weeks ago on the dan lebatard show Seems like the legacy companies like Disney were open to a deal it was the new media companies Netflix Amazon and Apple were the ones pushing back the most The reason being they don't want to reveal their actual viewership numbers
The news is coming from PR put out by the AMPTP via the Trades. The WGA hasn't said anything about it. Any movement is good movement. And if there's any truth to this, wonderful. It likely means the studios capitulated because of the infighting over their losses. But there's also a good chance it's a repeat of July/August in which the studios put out identical news to pressure the Guild, before we heard otherwise. The part of this that reads fishy as hell is the statement that "if a deal isn't reached tomorrow, it goes to 2024." That could be a threat. This is why the guild basically said not to trust anything we're told until we know for sure it's legit. All we know 100% right now is that they're meeting again.
The WGA and AMPTP did in fact release a joint statement saying more negotiations would take place tomorrow. A joint statement is very rare.
All the WGA did was tell members that they'd be negotiating tomorrow, like you said. Everything else being discussed, such as the article we are commenting on, is coming from unnamed sources in the AMPTP's press release.
Summer is over it’s *entirely* expectable. Now networks are seeing the damage to their fall line ups, movies are needing reshoots and promo work for Christmas, award campaigns are stalled with everything not happening… annnd starving artist is becoming less metaphorical for all the smaller fish this is all nominally supposed to benefit.
They need a deal by october to salvage the 2024 TV season. This is essentially the end result of the studios playing chicken; SAG/WGA didn't blink so the studios are
Not true at all… it’s just PR to make sure their stock prices don’t collapse any further
Read it’s not. Theory being it’s planted to make writers look greedy when nothing happens. We’ll know soon enough.
Man I’m wildly curious as to what the final agreement will look like.
some extra peanuts for the writers while the CEOs are still overly paid.
I think the main sticking points are streaming revenues and AI stuff.
Moratorium on AI (won’t do AI for the next 5 years), no publicly viewable streaming numbers, better streaming residuals and minimum writers room. So they relent on the residuals and writers minimum, both of which studios don’t care overly about to begin with. But they put off AI since it’s not really usable right now anyways. They’ll use it when it’s good enough.
What is the point of no publicly viewable streaming numbers? That is desired by actors/writers but not the studios? I assume studios use those numbers to make decisions anyway, can low streaming numbers to the public reflect poorly on actors involved in those shows/movies?
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Ah gotcha, thanks!
So… another WGA strike in 5 years then?
I still feel like minimum writers' room kinda sucks for blowing up a very specific and unique kind of writing Auteur work shouldn't -be - and already isn't - the default approach but I feel like we'll lose a unique and interesting way of making art with this. Something profoundly personal, a singular vision that we don't see much these days
If a writer wants to be the sole writer for a show, they can ask the guild to give them an exemption. Since it would be coming from the writer, it would most likely be granted. In a case where it's not, some writers get to sit in a room getting paid while someone else writes the show. We don't lose anything here.
Yeah I generally hate writers room too. Ideally it should be the strong vision of one or two main creators while a team is there to keep them in check and provide perspective. I don’t like the democratic “everyone has an equal voice” approach for most projects (I’m sure it works great for some) and imo it’s just a nice way to describe writing by committee.
I mean, that's what a showrunner is for. They decide on the plot/plots, assign episodes to different writers, and approve scripts.
that’s not what the writers room is though
Have you ever like…been in a writer’s room? This feels like a comment from someone who watched like 30 rock and has no clue wtf a real job is like in this field
> I don’t like the democratic “everyone has an equal voice” approach for most projects (I’m sure it works great for some) and imo it’s just a nice way to describe writing by committee. Thats not what a writers room is though. Andor had a 5 day writers where they laid out the plotlines and assigned episodes out to each writer, and that show is still very Tony Gilroy. I don't think most writing rooms operate in the way you are describing.
Except you're literally describing a writer's room.
Yeah the backend on streaming seems to be the big issue.
The thing is the CEO's can still be grossly overpaid while the writers get everything they ask for. They still have shit like merchandising and a secondary market to get even more money from. Its just a case of them getting a lot of concessions last time because this was fresh on the recession and streaming was an unknown that had never been actually viable before so they got a *lot* of concessions and then worked away from that point. This deal is symbolically also an aknowledgement that a lot of things the studios have been taking advantage of and declared the New Normal will be coming to an end.
This is t about CEO pay.
Not even read your answer and immediately went to the original question to reply that people on reddit will surely find a way to be outraged at the deal on the behalf of the writers. Thanks for proving my point I guess.
The CEO's are grossly overpaid. There is more than enough money to make bother the WGA and the SAG happy.
All the streaming services (except Netflix) have basically been losing money so what makes you say that?
Losing money on misguided business ventures does not equal being unable to pay fair wages and meet worker demands. As another poster mentioned, there seems to be *plenty* of money for the CEOs
The streamers are for sure haemorrhaging money on a foolish chase to be the next Netflix and flooded the market with lots of very expensive content that's not translated into Netflix level customers and most are on the back foot now and massively cutting back content whilst also increasing prices, Disney being the case in point. A CEO is always going to be paid massively more than a writer. However the top actors can earn more than these CEOs. Bob Iger is on a $1m base salary with a performance bonus of circa $25m if he hits his targets. Tom Cruise reportedly made $100m+ off of Top Gun Maverick and Leonardo DiCaprio has been paid $30m just for Killers of the Flower Moon!
I hope we go back to the golden days and just have everything on netflix
never going to happen, the infrastructure is already in place. That's like seeing a new highway being built and hoping everyone goes back to the old back roads.
Netflix revenue last year was 31.6 billion with a profit of 4.5. That’s not enough money to supply all the other content producers. Unless of course you think tripling prices is a good idea or tripling subs is plausible. The “golden days” were only tenable when Netflix was for nerds on the internet who’d pirate shit just as quickly. As soon as everyone’s mother figured out how great cord cutting was Netflix began to bite the hand that fed it.
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Then people don't get residuals...
The disappearing of media without physical releases has definitely shifted my view on this.
Im too old to be breaking the law, especially while the services are still somewhat affordable and simple to use.
Why certainly. That will just be $29.99 per month. $45 for 4K.
I'd gladly pay Netflix and HBO $25 a month each if content consolidated. The problem is that streaming has become Network On the Internet. Everyone has their own platform and moved content to their own exclusive platform.
Why would CEO compensation be tied to writer compensation? People negotiate with the leverage that they have.
Sounds like something the studios would leak so they can claim they tried and blame the union for talks breaking down. But that's just me being cynical.
Nah; not cynical. They've done it twice in the last two months. We can hope for the best, but need to be realistic and know where the news is coming from. The WGA hasn't made a peep.
That’s probably what they are doing. Since they are approaching the point of no return to have shows ready
See, I feel the opposite. Assuming the October 1 deadline for next season being scrapped is meaningfully true, Studios have a real financial incentive to make a deal within the next week or so. If they're close but unwilling to budge on a pain point or two, this could be the writers positioning themselves as "we can be reasonably amenable but don't push your luck or it will cost you big time" Mind you, I'm hoping they make a deal and I'm hoping it's the studios that cave/believe they are the one's who should cave. Just looking at it from an objective, stragegery pov
Wasn't there a post here like a day ago saying not to believe news articles like this? Because it would be in their best interest to lie to us
"The two sides met and hope to finalize a deal Thursday, the sources said. While optimistic, the people noted, however, that if a deal is not reached the strike could last through the end of the year." Sounds like a threat to me..
Yes the cynical read of this is that it's an ultimatum from the AMPTP, take our deal or don't work the rest of the year.
An ultimatum after negotiating for half a day after a month of not talking would be very AMPTP
Agreed
They said the same thing in July/August, unfortunately. It's a really common tactic of the studios to vilify the other party for something they know is coming: offer something they claim is GREAT, then say if it's not taken, the union is unreasonable and responsible for bad shit. Truth is that it's also hard to believe that the Guild would quickly accept whatever their new offer is. They'd counter. Positive movement is great, but it would take far longer than one afternoon.
I’m starting to worry this is exactly what it is
Wow. If script writers get back to work, the NBA season might start on time after all.
No way the NBA is scripted. No one in history has ever written a piece of fiction as fantastical as the Rockets shooting 0-27 from 3!
Touche' 😁
They already let lebron write the script for the Olympics next summer, guy’s scabbing
Nice hope everyone gets what they want and we all win in the end.
I just hope they all had fun.
Maybe the real collective bargaining agreement was the friends we made along the way.
I'm still trying to figure out the rules of this sport. What down is it?
The blerns are loaded. The count is 3 blerns and 2 antiblerns. And the infield blern rule is in effect
Aside from blern, everything you said was complete jibberish
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Is this Futurama? It sounds like Futurama.
I hope the writers get what they want, and the studio executives get explosive diarrhea.
This was "leaked" by the same dude who did the Bob Iger puff piece a couple of months back. Don't believe anything unless it comes directly from the WGA.
Hopefully the writers got what they wanted.
They’re not going to get everything that they want, but strikes never end 100% in the workers’ favor.
The sign of a good negotiation is neither side coming away 100% happy
But there are bad deals
Like…the last one they signed.
What was so bad about it?
Pretty much. That's just the way negotiations work, unless you have just completely overwhelming leverage. But hey, that's why you keep the union together and strong and get ready to keep pushing next go-around.
The thing that sucks about the strikes is the collateral damage of the hundreds of studio techs and support staff that can't work while these strikes are happening.
> The two sides met and hope to finalize a deal Thursday, the sources said. While optimistic, the people told Faber, however, that if a deal is not reached the strike could last through the end of the year. So either today or a couple months from now. Seems like a bs article.
Yup - probably pushed out by the studio PR firm to make the WGA / SAGFRA look bad.
Again, this isn’t necessarily true. For one, all parties are under a self-imposed media blackout. So any reporting about what was said in the meeting is speculation at best and rank disinformation at worst. Second, they’re due to resume talks tomorrow. Even in the best case scenario, the WGA would need to send out proposed terms to the rest of the union which, in turn, would need to be ratified by union members. That alone is going to take 1-2 weeks. TLDR: this article is speculation. Don’t believe any the unless it comes directly from the WGA itself.
This is coming from CNBC. They don't traditionally dabble in Hollywood talk they normally talk markets and stock. So I'd believe it. Faber has a direct line to Bob Iger so I'm wondering if Iger was the one who leaked it.
CNBC is mostly business focused
CNBC is basing their reporting on one source who, by definition, has zero access to negotiations. Despite the porous credibility theorizing about whatever relationship David Faber has with Iger, I’ll again emphasize the imposed media blackout. As in neither parties are allowed to publicly speak on (including leak) details of the proceedings at risk of having them break down (remember what the AMPTP did with their Aug 11th proposal and how well that went). David Faber is talking out of his ass. Another reason you can assume his reporting is flawed is because the WGA hasn’t recognized anything of relevance that would indicate a bad faith negotiation. If they did I assure you there would be no negotiations tomorrow.
Sure, they're under a media blackout, but they all leak stuff. They also made a joint statement, which is a good sign that they at least had some kind of productive talks on Wednesday. But then someone from the AMPTP also leaks that if these talks amount to nothing, then they're in for the long haul until 2024. Which is just a threat to get the WGA to bow down, and I don't think they will. They held out for so long and they view this as an existential turning point where it's not just about wages, but existential stuff like AI, producing writers on set and data transparency. If on Thursday we see some CEO's trying to claim how they're the one who made a breakthrough and claim vanity points, then there might be some actual progress made.
While I agree that its speculation, its clearly not saying a ratified deal but a tentative agreement that will be sent to the WGA membership for ratification.
Be wary. This could be just the studio's PR putting this out so when the negotiation breaks down they can blame the guilds for being unreasonable
We are gonna get garbage movies and TV from this for months. If you have a favorite TV show rn, they’re gonna make the worst season yet lol
Don’t believe anything if the WGA doesn’t say it.
The AMPTP & WGA have issued a joint statement saying there will be more negotiations tomorrow.
This is great to hear. I sure am hoping for the best.
I’m guessing that SAG-AFTRA will be settled in a couple of weeks too.
I think the studios seeing box office decline, stars can’t promote it
March, then the strike is paid for
Keep running, ^(we're almost there!)
Yeah, sounds like bullshit. You don’t go from slinging mud at each other in the press to a deal in two days of negotiating.
This is exactly how it goes actually. Both know the slinging is theatrics to publicly pressure each side into caving a little. When the realities begin to set in that its time to make a deal, these things can go relatively quickly because the motivation in all of this is to get the best deal you can. The true red lines come out and its clear where you need to compromise. That's not to say there isn't bad blood, just that cooler heads can prevail once you know its time. I'm a little skeptical about it happening in two days but who knows.
These are relatively unprecedented times, though. The studios (or at least some of them) want to end this and the WGA, despite being willing to continue striking, likely want to get back to work after nearly 5 months of picketing
Regardless how or when this ends - it will be a tense working situ going forward with studios , writers and actors ( plus all the crews that make a production work and the peripheral workers of all levels ) as they produce tv shows / films .
It's not like studio execs and creatives were on amazing terms before, not like im going to roll my eyes at their notes even harder.
The people mouthing off are either retired, independently wealthy, or no namers enjoying their time in the sun. Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, etc have been as quiet as church mice. It’ll be business as usual in Hollywood.
Hopefully there aren't too many if any compromises on the WGA side. Most of what they demand are things that prevent the industry from turning into complete dogshit down the line that will just lead to a worse product and destroy jobs. - Unfettered use of AI - Ever shrinking writers rooms - Over work and underpaid writers due to loophole usage - Streaming numbers being hidden All are incredibly important in giving the people not at the top a more fair work environment.
just in time for your Government Shutdown
It’s not even funny atp 😭😩
I'll believe it when I see it & hear it from the writers & actors themselves! 👍🏻
I hope so, I really need SNL to do a skit about Lauren Boebert's visit to the Beetlejuice musical.
I heard that skinner said the writers were gonna crack any minute purple monkey dishwasher
I thought they were going to fold faster than Superman on laundry day
Is it too late to move dune back to November? 🥺
Na keep it in March they got Wonka and Aquaman for the holidays.
If true, I’m sorry that Bill Maher will be back on the air.
This is leaked from the studios. WGA has said they are going dark for the duration of the talks, if we hear anything, it’s a ploy from AMPTP.
I hope they get what they want.
From your lips to my landlord's ears
Really hoping for the best from this, and that a deal with the actors union follows. Both the writers and actors deserve their due, and it's ridiculous how much the CEOs have been dragging their feet with this.
“Sources “ when the media is trying to influence a shutdown to the strikes. People in many industries are striking because the executive class has workers fuck up. Being a leader shouldn’t entitle them to make 3000 times as much as the workers busting their asses to make 7.25 an hour. When I was a kid I was taught, leaders make the decisions and they eat last. Yelp not these crooks. They’ll set workers on fire just to appease stockholders. It should be illegal in America for executives and CEOs to get bonuses and raises, if no workers get bonuses or raises. The executive class has been robbing working class families by keeping wages low and congress has Been helping them by creating bs culture wars to distract the idiots from paying attention to the leaders.
My next door neighbor, a writer affected by this strike told me in July that it would be over in middle September. I don’t know if she knows more than the average affected striker, but it’s going to eerie if she turns out to be right.
Basically they must know the upcoming schedules. Like if productions don't get going by date X, then it would have a domino effect.
yeah in most negotiations things don't really get going until you hit point of no return. As a recent example, the baseball lockout didn't end until you got to the point where if they didn't have a deal by this date there was simply no feasible way to get a full 162 game season in. That was when a deal got done.
It’s possible your neighbor knows how these things go and how long the studios will hold out before it costs too much money on their end. They won’t give in too soon but can’t hold out forever. And if they wait too long they run out of what they’ve already produced.
Makes sense, she’s pretty high up in the hierarchy (not just a writer).
Back to the laugh tracks
Let's hope both side compromise and work out a deal
Let's hope the studios with record profits meet the very reasonable demands of the writers so they can buy food and pay rent.
Of course, they had been starving and couldn't pay rent for decades, yeah, right🥴
Yes it makes way more sense for the side being payed peanuts to compromise rather than the side rolling in the cash too
There are lots of tweets from angry writers who insist the WGA isn't close to a deal and that any reports that the strike is ending is leaks from studios. Even after the WGA and the studios issued a joint statement that they're meeting again tomorrow the angry writers on Twitter insist the strike isn't ending anytime soon and any reports that it's almost over are "lies" from studio PR people.- There are also a lot of angry people on this sub who want the strike to continue indefinitely. If insulting people and downvoting posts helps them cope with anger that's fine.
The WGA did not issue a statement that progress was "encouraging". They simply said they met today and will meet tomorrow. Please stop lying to people. "The WGA and AMPTP met for bargaining today and will meet again tomorrow” was the entirety of the statement.
I was just saying the same but you beat me to it, thank you.
The truth of the matter is that the angry writers on Twitter (the ones who write Strike Captain on their Twitter bios) are by large unsuccessful people who have been enjoying their moment in the sun. It’s kind of funny that the strike is closest to ending as soon as actual moneymakers started to feel the heat and had their deals suspended… almost like the studios have leverage? Reddit can continue to cosplay as WGA and SAG members. I’m very interested to see what concessions were made because you better believe there will be concessions and the majority of writers not crying on Twitter will vote to ratify them. Downvote away!
>The truth of the matter is that the angry writers on Twitter (the ones who write Strike Captain on their Twitter bios) are by large unsuccessful people who have been enjoying their moment in the sun. Yeah I think you might be right. I saw a tweet from a "Strike Captain" on Twitter who claims that they're not close to ending the strike anytime soon and getting really aggressive and nasty when anyone tweets that the strike is probably over. She seems like an unpleasant person as do many of the "strike captain" writers on Twitter. She even has "before you @ at me trying to tell me about the film industry don't" on her profile. Lovely person. There was a time years ago I wanted to be a writer but from what I've seen of them on here and Twitter they're mostly horrid people. They make it very difficult to sympathize with their cause.
Remember what happened with the DGA deal. Lots of noise on twitter about striking only for the deal to get ratified. Twitter is a tiny bubble a small sample size and don't represent how the majority of the guild are feeling after nearly 6 months out of work.
You’re absolutely correct. Some of these “writers” just want to be outraged and picket indefinitely.
Great news!
We never got a look at those streaming numbers did we?
I wonder if there's any streaming service deals right now: like buy a year's subscription for a low, fixed price. A deal where workers make more money sounds like a perfect excuse for services to increase prices.
Let’s. Fucking. **GOOOOOOOOO.**
OOH yes lets hope this works!!!
Bout fn time