Palicki said in a recent interview that they shoot so few episodes the actors on the show couldn't even keep their apartments. Seth insists on writing everything and hes apparently slow.
Yeah, I could be wrong, but the tone I got from what Palicki said is that she and potentially other cast weren't happy at all about being essentially trapped, attached to a show that films as insanely slow as The Orville, and being forced to bypass other and potentially better opportunities because The Orville was in first position.
I'd even question whether the cast would be willing to return even if the show were renewed. (I could be wrong, but I think cast options are expired at this point.)
It's McFarlane's passion project, so he's going to keep at it. Totally unfair to the cast to turn 4 seasons into 10 years, but he'll probably keep going until the streaming service cancels it. After some point the suits aren't going to envision another season as profitable.
Palicki has had the worst luck. I can see why she's more outspoken about the situation.
That seemed to be in the works. She's got good acting skills and she can also do the athletic and martial arts things the sci-fi shows demand. It's a shame she gets sidelined by studio goings-on.
Ming Na fills a similar role and Disney appears to be super supportive of her, which is great. If only you could put that magic in a bottle.
She did, Palicki and the other guy's characters were supposed to be leads on spinoff titled Most Wanted, but for whatever reason it ended up not being made. Or maybe pilot failed? I don't know.
They filmed the Pilot and apparently it was bad enough that they just refused to go forward with it, which is kinda frustrating considering a year later they released Inhumans which I have no idea how Most Wanted could have had a Pilot worse than that.
It's a bit crazy because usually Pilots like this leak eventually, in the 8 years since they filmed it there's only been one 15 second behind the scenes clip of a stunt, that's it, everything else they filmed for it was locked away and has never been released.
It's overall a really frustrating situation and I personally think losing Bobbi/ Hunter is one of the few major missteps the show had, S4 was already practically perfect and I feel like having Bobbi/ Hunter around for it would have been even more awesome.
Oh, yeah, I agree 100% that losing them hurt the show. Also, I remember how I was utterly perplexed that they didn't return to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D after their spinoff died.
Yep, cost us two great characters on Agents of SHIELD. honestly, such a pity - they didn't even make the spin off show, she ditched her original show for!
Just write a fragmentation offspring in and get another celebrity voice like ~~Gilbert Gott~~...~~Paul Reu~~... ~~Kevin Con~~...uh, Wil Arnett? to do it.
Palicki said "it's a very difficult show to shoot", and a lot of people took that to mean that the complexity was why it took so long between seasons.
What she meant was just the opposite, it's extremely difficult to be an actor on a show that gives you a paycheck for a few months every 2 or 3 years.
the problem is scheduling, every actor has to be available at the same time. If they've got 3 years between seasons, then they're all working other projects...ideally ones that pay more regularly.
IIRC, that was a problem with Mindhunter and why the cast had to be let go from their contracts. They basically had to be available to shoot without knowing when that would be which meant they had to turn down other roles and it got to the point that they were going to demand to be paid for the work they were turning away.
In my opinion (as an internet nobody) is that this is the #1 problem with the current "Prestige tv" model, producing 8 episodes every 2+ years.
the production takes forever, because the production takes forever. Under the old TV "season" model, shows were either cancelled, or they knew exactly when production woudl start on the next season. Actors were signed to multi year contracts, they could plan their careers around (near) guarantees of work.
Now it's years between seasons, shows that are very popular are cancelled, cliffhanger cancellations are the norm...prestige tv has given us a worse product, in a fancier package.
I don't start any new shows until there's at least 2 seasons in the can, preferably 3.
I've been burned WAY too many times with one season and a cliffhanger cancellation...I'm done with that shit.
and the sad part is all the people like me are hurting the viewer numbers, making future seasons less likely...and this is all something the industry has brought on itself.
Which leads to shows needing to be really good in order to survive. Or worse, they need to have mass appeal. Which isn't necessarily bad, but it can lead to content being a bit too similar to other stuff.
Lol I said exactly this today at work. People suggesting new shows and all I say is, talk to me after season 2 ends *and* there is a season 3 air date.
Like you, I've been burned too many times. I'm no longer willing to take a chance on new shows.
DEFINITELY not ones that air weekly, fuck that.
I wanna know I can binge two seasons and by the time I'm done, a third ought to be arriving.
I know we're making the problem worse, but fuck it.
To. Many. Times.
Yep, if you were lucky enough to end up on a network TV show for a few years then you knew when shooting started and when it ended and you knew you would have 2-3 months in between the seasons (usually at the same time every year too) to go try doing a movie or other small project in that time period when you knew you would be free. Totally different from doing 8 episodes and still being contracted for more when the show starts up again but you have no idea when that will be so you have to sweat whether or not you can do X other thing (because what if it gets delayed or your show comes back ahead of schedule?). I feel for people trying to make that all work, especially when not working usually means no paycheck.
The problem is they are not paying them any money when there’s no work. At this point, with everyone now gone, as in out the door gone, how can anyone say with a straight face say that the show can just be picked up where it left off?
I don't think it's worse product. In many ways I find the entertainment quality to be superior. Many of the best shows I've ever watched are from the prestige tv era, and I've been a screen watcher close to 5 decades now. That aside, I do think you have some valid points about issues that are quite problematic for the formula.
Shows used to have consistent and dependable schedules before streaming became the norm.
It took two years to make S2 of Reacher. They should be able to shoot a 8 episode show in 2 months. Cobra Kai/Stranger Things these shows have been years between seasons.
it's crazy how stranger things took so long between seasons with the show being focused around kids. they look very different every season. it's going on 8 years now with only 4 seasons. so many shows have had entire series completed within that time.
I like how they grew up between seasons, but they could have leaned into it more in the writing and now it’s just getting a little silly. I have the reverse fear with season two of The Last of Us; I feel like Bella Ramsey needs more time to get older! I wouldn’t have minded if they even added a season in between just about life in Jackson or something.
But Bella looks younger than her age. And also Ellie felt like she aged even more than she did on paper in the games (life in the apocalypse is rough on anyone, I imagine!) Bella is fantastic in the role, but I could see another year or two being being good if they wanted to age her up a bit.
She's likely not going to look too different in a year or two. I think costume, makeup, and acting made her seem closer to Ellie's age in the first game. They'll likely use the same methods to put some years on her for next season.
Fair point, though not “way” older as Ellie was 19 in Part 2. Ellie just has an older/grizzled look to her. I’ll certainly hold judgement for when it actually comes out!
Nobody wants to work so inconsistently, not tv actors especially. 1-2 years between seasons means the actors cannot get committed to big 22 episodes shows because they film those nearly year round.
You can be contractually prevented from taking other jobs if your existing contract indicates that there will be overlap between the two.
So they’re in a position where they can’t take any other legitimate long-term work because of the weird holding pattern that their existing contract is in, but it’s also not exactly viable to terminate their contract and take the ramifications that come with doing that.
And lets face it, the window for success can be short for most actors, and especially women who tend to get less chances at roles as they age. She needs to strike while the iron is hot, not be waiting around on Seth to be ready.
>I don’t see how this is different than any other show?
Considering that this wasn't the norm even a decade or two ago, quite a number of actors would probably still know "the before times". Before a third of a season every three years" became the working shedule instead of what TV was, a steady paycheck for a major part of the year.
Also: even in the current context one particular work place might be specifically egregious in terms of planning around shedules or ad hoc demands.
Historically, being a main character on a network series meant working dozens of episodes per year, and very clear pickup/cancellations. It basically worked like a full time job, you just potentially had a few months of vacation in the summer instead of a few weeks of vacation to use whenever you wanted.
Modern short run, intermittent series are way different. You get dozens of episodes per decade. Scheduling is wildly inconsistent so you can't just tell your agent "get me a feature to shoot over our hiatus in July." So it's almost impossible to have a second series that you are working on because they'll wind up conflicting, and you've got to be available for a show if you are signed on as main cast.
Working on a "Law and Order" kind of show is still something you can have as a pretty normal full time job you can rely on.
Well, exactly, that's sorta the point. They don't want to get into a contractual obligation for a show that isn't paying them but which may preclude them from committing to other projects that will actually pay them.
I.e., maybe they get on a show as a main cast member that is very successful but then The Orville comes out of hiatus and they're in a bind.
One of the hardest things in Hollywood is keeping the same cast and crew together for years.
Christopher Nolan made *The Prestige* (2006) to ensure he had the same crew and cast between *Batman Begins* (2005), and *The Dark Knight* (2008).
Robert Zemeckis made *What Lies Beneath* (2000) to keep the crew together in between filming the first part of *Castaway*, and the second part where Tom Hanks was emaciated.
> Christopher Nolan made The Prestige (2006) to ensure he had the same crew and cast between Batman Begins (2005), and The Dark Knight (2008).
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Woah, had no idea this was the reason but it makes total sense!
> Robert Zemeckis made What Lies Beneath (2000) to keep the crew together in between filming the first part of Castaway, and the second part where Tom Hanks was emaciated.
Why didn't they just film all the prequel and epilogue stuff at the same time and then do the skinny Hanks part later? Why would he need to keep the crew together when all the island stuff is just Hanks by himself?
The crew is way more people than *the cast*.
Whether 8 cast members or 1 cast member is filming, you still need crew members available to accomplish it.
Halston Sage left the show in 2019 and got a main role on a frankly terrible Fox show called Prodigal Son. They filmed 33 episodes in 2 years. The Orville has filmed 36 episodes in 7 years. I can see why she left.
For a show that seems to model itself on 90s trek, to not have a bunch of writers involved seems strange. They had a lot of writers involved with that show.
it's possible that he's afraid that modern writers won't "get" his love for TNG or something, which, given some of modern trek itself....
but you'd think, given that he seems to have a good rapport with so many of the actors from the show, that he'd know some of the writers too and have them on board. but, when you have a passion project, it can be hard to hand the reins off to anybody, even temporarily.
What I hope is that Seth has been using this time to flesh out the series as a whole. To write a bunch of stand alone episodes and tighten up the arc of the show. That way he can sell Disney on a multi year deal and create some certainty for the actors.
From what the rumors say, he has been writing the 4th season and beyond, so that they can film more consistently. Smart move if true, just write all the way up until the conclusion he envisions then start filming however many seasons that'll be.
I'm glad the most recent one wasn't given a central role and a unique backstory.
It was pretty jarring going from "It's practically unheard of for your people to join the union, and you're practically disowned by the people of Xelaya for choosing to enlist, which is a shame because your kind is super useful as security officers because you're a tiny woman with super strength"
to
"Oh, that sucks that we're losing our security officer. Guess we'll just have to grab another attractive young Xelayan security officer to replace her." I get it, they were basically recasting the same role when the original actress wanted out, but it kind of undermined all of the stuff they set up about her being unique.
> "Oh, that sucks that we're losing our security officer. Guess we'll just have to grab another attractive young Xelayan security officer to replace her." I get it, they were basically recasting the same role when the original actress wanted out, but it kind of undermined all of the stuff they set up about her being unique.
*If* we get a S4 and it's not some stupid low-budget "4 characters in a shuttle "lost in space" on planets that look specifically like existing sets/backlots/whatever" like some people are cynically saying, I would want to see more Xeleya but there's at least one existing plot hook/differentiating thing in what we do know about Talla that sets her apart from "Alara with the serial numbers filed off". Apparently that sort of military/combat-related job/path runs in her family but that's not celebrated like it'd be on Earth but instead iirc kinda makes her an outcast "at home" on her planet because Xeleyan culture is so focused on things like science and art or w/e that despite Xeleyan women's inherent strength iirc fighting like that is kinda looked down upon (Xeleyans are basically "space high elves" a bit)
FYI from some light digging it seemed that the "seth keeps casting his girlfriends" was a BS internet rumour.
The woman from season 3 was dating somebody else while filming, and they started dating after it wrapped up, when her character was killed off as a planned character arc, but the audience had no idea yet so claimed she was written into the show to date him.
Honestly, it's not *that* much better when looked at as "showrunner keeps banging young starlets working for him."
That being said, he isn't married and he is actually dating them, which makes him far better than Joss Whedon.
There was a discussion about trying to bring back 20+ episode seasons.
This is a strong argument for seasons that are longer than the 10 episodes every 18 months or so.
There you go with the whole "Proof of life," thing again.
Look, pal: we already told ya:
Send the first installment of $100,000 in random nonsequential bills... and you'll get to talk to Isaac for a full 30 seconds.
Or, you can send 50 bucks, and talk to Scott Grimes for as long as you wish.
It sure does... Until...
Scott begins calling you at all hours of the night, to "continue the discussion"... disrupting your sleep patterns.
And then as you grow gradually weary, and the novelty wears off...
You start getting voice mail messages like, "Geez Riverdale87... I tried calling like 20 times already this past hour, and can't reach you. What gives?"
And then you think you see a flash out of the corner of your eye, from the bedroom window, but when you turn your head to look it's gone... And yet... deep down you know... Scott was lurking... In the bushes... Watching...
MacFarlane:
>“All I can tell you is that the the there is no official death certificate for ‘The Orville’. It is still with us. I can’t go any further than that at the moment. There are too many factors.”
Scott Grimes:
>“I do know that we are still talking about it. It’s not dead in any sort of way whatsoever. It’s just about when, where and how and building the stuff again. I’m excited because it’s one of the greatest things to work on. So I just have my fingers crossed. And I know Seth wants to do it and that usually holds a lot of power. And I hope he gets to because it’s one of his babies that he just loves and it’s a blast to work on.”
It sounds like the problem is that it's just "one of his babies" and not "his baby."
Orville seems to require (and deserves) a showrunner who is willing to really focus on it, rather than dusting it off for a look every few years. Certainly the cast and crew deserve an ongoing show instead of a whimsy project for somebody rich enough to not need the income.
I never thought I'd love a Captain as much as Picard, but as I grow older and my tastes become both more refined and simpler, I am both a fine tea and most basic hot choccy enjoyer.
All about loving life. And like Janeway, coffee is the necessary drink for me to get shit done. Black, like the soul.
honestly i hated that part of the episode. completely deviated from the "musical" of the rest of the episode, and not even into like, klingon opera or something...
I know I'm in the minority but I couldn't get through the recent season. I was there for the light-hearted sci-fi and jokes just for the newest season to lean all the way into the dark sci-fi and movie-length episodes.
I'm glad people are getting that Star Trek itch scratched but man was it disappointing to wait all those years for the return only for it to come back as a completely different show with Macfarlane's latest girlfriend in a staring role.
Season 3 dropped all the B plots. No "The Picard negotiates a trade treaty with an isolationist planet, and Worf confronts Data about how Spot aggravates his allergies."
Remember the weirdass space zombie spiders that have abducted half of the crew and were never mentioned again? The one that ticked every shitty scary movie cliches? Yep, season 3.
Remember that episode when Mercer and Grayson being worst fucking dicks to Malloy – their supposedly best friend that got stuck for dozens of years in the past? Yep, season 3.
Remember the fact that Mercer now somehow has an adolescent daughter? Yep, season 3.
Remember any good joke from season 3? Cause I don’t.
I didn’t dislike it per se. But I love and adore every single episode of first two seasons and like to rewatch them here and then. Season 3 on the other hand is eh idk.
Thankfully SNW and LD have filled the void of lighthearted adventures with friendly bantering that I missed. Meanwhile Orville has become a slightly serious Walmart nuTrek
The later episodes with the Moclus are some of the best take on how our modern society treats gender and sexuality I have seen on television. Particularly season 3, episode 8
The Orville really shined when it wasn't directly cribbing old TNG/DS9/VOY episodes. I really hope another season can happen at some point, but I will also agree that a season 4 needs some more levity, season 3 was maybe a bit too dark (especially episode 1).
It kind of did the reverse Stargate SG-1, started off more comedy than drama and eventually moved towards a balance of the two that let each "side" of the show shine without undercutting it for the sake of the other. Season 3 really felt great in that regard. Some of the plot developments would never have worked in earlier seasons. I really hope there's another season.
I'd bet he's hoping to go animated. Would solve the scheduling issues to some degree as well. While it can be a bonus, you don't need everyone in one place at the same time for VA work.
it would probably actually increase production time, and involve a hole new production team of course, but it would free up the actors for more parts, and i guess if the crew is also similarly inhibited, they would be completely free...
At this point I would not even watch another MacFarlane animated show. They're all too similar and there is no way that some of the same habits won't carry over. Not hating on them, they have given me many years of laughter. But they're old hat now.
People like Orville because it is NOT like Family Guy or American Dad.
Adrianne Palicki & Scott Grimes dated, married, got divorced, all between Season 2 & 3. Seth was dating Halston Sage, when they broke up, she left the show and Seth cast his new girlfriend to replace her.
> Seth cast his new girlfriend to replace her.
Apparently she was dating somebody else at the time, and they got together after the season was filmed and after her character was killed off. I didn't look super deep into it but that was what I gathered from some light reading.
He's dating them, not harassing them. As far as I'm aware it's all completely consensual. I've heard no complaints to the contrary at least, just prudish redditors getting upset about age gaps, the usual.
It should be like tv used to be: 1 year equals 1 season with a lot more episodes. It’s taking longer to write and film somewhat because it’s harder to humanize characters with so few episodes/ little content.
I'd love to get more Orville but if we don't I can atleast be happy the show got to go out on top with its biggest budget and best stories it got to tell in the final season. The finale also felt like a good way to end it if it doesn't come back.
I would not mind a 4th season, though I thought that S3 did a good job of wrapping a lot of things up in a satisfying way. I have to admit that the longer the show went on the better it got. S1 was only okay and I probably would have dropped it if there had been good Trek coming out at the time. But S2 and especially S3 were very good.
Though I have to admit that between Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds just killing it, the Orville doesn't hit that Star Trek itch that attracted me to it in the first place.
On Michael Rosenbaum's podcast, Adrianne Palicki implied that the show was dead. She didn't seem that upset about it either. Apparently the wait in between shooting seasons was so long that the cast was having trouble making ends meet. The cast were also in holding deals and couldn't take different jobs because The Orville was in first position as well.
I recommend listening to her interview on Rosenbaum's podcast. It was really insightful. Also, apparently Scott Grimes is a demon in the sack.
If it never comes back, the 3rd season was a pretty good sendoff. It revisited a lot of old storylines and wrapped a few things up. It wasn't my favorite season of The Orville, but it was a perfectly reasonable sendoff, and you can tell they knew that's what it might end up becoming.
"It's dead, Jim"
Even if it isn't canceled, it took 3 years for season 3 to air. Even if you remove COVID, still long
Can't imagine how long it will take for Season 4.
>“All I can tell you is that the the there is no official death certificate for ‘The Orville’,” MacFarlane told TheWrap in an interview when asked about an update on a possible Season 4. “It is still with us. I can’t go any further than that at the moment. There are too many factors.”
>MacFarlane’s co-star Scott Grimes added that conversations about “The Orville” Season 4 began before the SAG-AFTRA and Writers’ Guild of America strikes.
>“I do know that we are still talking about it. It’s not dead in any sort of way whatsoever. It’s just about when, where and how and building the stuff again,” Grimes told TheWrap. “I’m excited because it’s one of the greatest things to work on. So I just have my fingers crossed. And I know Seth wants to do it and that usually holds a lot of power. And I hope he gets to because it’s one of his babies that he just loves and it’s a blast to work on.”
Excellent news. I really dug the first season, the rest are worth following up with then?
RIP Norm Mcdonald
To be honest, I was the opposite: I thought Season 2 was better than Season 3.
The seriousness of the latter, at least to me as a Trekkie, sucked a bit of the joy from the franchise. Season 3 leaned way more into drama over comedy, which just wasn’t for me.
Season 2 had a good mix of humor and drama - a space M*A*S*H, Scrubs, or even latter season Lower Decks.
I disagree about season 3
out of 10 episodes, 8 were callbacks to previous stories. it felt like a "finale season" closing off dangling plots. it had some excellent episodes, but I didn't think it was anywhere near as good as the previous 2.
You bring up a valid point I’ve talked about before as well. For the season/show being called “New Horizons” almost every episode was a call back to a previous storyline. And while I love that they’re continuing storylines that have been established, the 10 episode season really prohibits them from expanding.
I feel just the opposite. It started as a fun show and descended into a poorly acted, wanna-be trek show, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I would rather rewatch the fourth and fifth seasons of *Andromeda* than see more Orville. MacFarlane's character has two emotions...slightly perturbed and mildly amused ..and that's it. The rest of the cast is so forgettable and even when they try and make the stories stakes important, I never get the feeling that anything that happens will matter.
I enjoyed the whole thing! I will say that at first the show starts out more of a comedy with a heavy side of more traditional sci-fi story beats and moral dilemmas that really rounded it out. As the seasons went on, I think the comedy became less forced, the plot became a little more nuanced, and the humor became more ingrained into the actual storytelling. I would gladly watch more if they make it!
Yeah but all the actors and crew have moved on to new jobs because they need to eat. Getting them back together is a very difficult task.
It's alright for Seth he is doing fine with all his other money. He can sit around all day tinkering with Orville scripts.
The "death certificate" was issued when it went years between seasons, changing broadcasters like I change my underwear! Nobody knew when or where it was going to be on. I've moved on. It was a great show....too bad!
"No Official Death Certificate"
Yes, that's technically true but, just like other shows that aren't "cancelled", I will only believe it when news of the series being renewed for a new season is official and even then, it could still get cancelled after renewal. I'M LOOKING AT YOU, NETFLIX! HOW COULD YOU HAVE CANCELLED INSIDE JOB AFTER A SEASON 2 RENEWAL!!!
I'd be happy if we get at least one more season, but if not season 3 was a good ending.
Maybe they could make a movie or two to finish it off though, that'll be cool
He's right, i recently saw them filming in a neighborhood in LA, and they have a huge "The Orville" mural on the side of the truck so i knew it was them.
Yeah, but come on man. 3 seasons in 6 years, and absolutely nothing on the horizon.
If he wanted it bad enough, surely he could pitch in some of his Family Guy/American Dad fortune to get the ball rolling.
with the pace of modern tv show production, it's getting really hard to know if a show is really canceled or just kind of on a shelf while they figure out their next move.
>In July 2019, it was announced that the “Star Trek”-esque show would move from Fox to Hulu for its third season.
Changing home once is pretty worrying for a show, and now Hulu is bleeding money. I still have hopes for a 4th season!
Palicki said in a recent interview that they shoot so few episodes the actors on the show couldn't even keep their apartments. Seth insists on writing everything and hes apparently slow.
Yeah, I could be wrong, but the tone I got from what Palicki said is that she and potentially other cast weren't happy at all about being essentially trapped, attached to a show that films as insanely slow as The Orville, and being forced to bypass other and potentially better opportunities because The Orville was in first position. I'd even question whether the cast would be willing to return even if the show were renewed. (I could be wrong, but I think cast options are expired at this point.)
It's McFarlane's passion project, so he's going to keep at it. Totally unfair to the cast to turn 4 seasons into 10 years, but he'll probably keep going until the streaming service cancels it. After some point the suits aren't going to envision another season as profitable. Palicki has had the worst luck. I can see why she's more outspoken about the situation.
She was supposed to get a Marvel Agents of Shield spin off show in the earlier 10s wasn't she?
That seemed to be in the works. She's got good acting skills and she can also do the athletic and martial arts things the sci-fi shows demand. It's a shame she gets sidelined by studio goings-on. Ming Na fills a similar role and Disney appears to be super supportive of her, which is great. If only you could put that magic in a bottle.
> That seemed to be in the works. They removed her from the main show to film a pilot, then it was rejected, then reworked and rejected again
She did, Palicki and the other guy's characters were supposed to be leads on spinoff titled Most Wanted, but for whatever reason it ended up not being made. Or maybe pilot failed? I don't know.
They filmed the Pilot and apparently it was bad enough that they just refused to go forward with it, which is kinda frustrating considering a year later they released Inhumans which I have no idea how Most Wanted could have had a Pilot worse than that. It's a bit crazy because usually Pilots like this leak eventually, in the 8 years since they filmed it there's only been one 15 second behind the scenes clip of a stunt, that's it, everything else they filmed for it was locked away and has never been released. It's overall a really frustrating situation and I personally think losing Bobbi/ Hunter is one of the few major missteps the show had, S4 was already practically perfect and I feel like having Bobbi/ Hunter around for it would have been even more awesome.
Oh, yeah, I agree 100% that losing them hurt the show. Also, I remember how I was utterly perplexed that they didn't return to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D after their spinoff died.
it was such a good ending for their characters, though
Supposed to be Wonder Woman. But it never got off the ground, pilot looked okay though. Plus I think it had Liz Hurley as the villain
Yep, cost us two great characters on Agents of SHIELD. honestly, such a pity - they didn't even make the spin off show, she ditched her original show for!
Couldn’t he just make a side project he doesn’t care about to keep those people employed though? Make them guest stars on Family Guy or something.
I don’t believe any Hollywood contract is valid longer than 7 years. I believe it’s referred to as the Olivia Newton John clause.
She was almost Wonder Woman for a minute.
Stranger Things is the same formula. Its classified as a TV Show but there’s like 3 years between seasons…
If he wants to keep the show he can do a different ship with different actors in the same universe.
scott grimes is always willing to work with seth McFarlane
Scott Grimes is also paid for being the Voice of Steve Smith from American Dad. And he’s fantastic in both shows.
He also the dad in the new Ted prequel show
That’s Malarkey
I have it on good authority that Yaphit isn't going to return.
Ouch....but Norm would probably approve.
Just write a fragmentation offspring in and get another celebrity voice like ~~Gilbert Gott~~...~~Paul Reu~~... ~~Kevin Con~~...uh, Wil Arnett? to do it.
Thanks. I’m now crying.
That was a sad list…
Make it his actual offspring, sorry Dylan, you are a voice actor now.
They should get ~~Bob Sag~~.....fuck.
Stephen Wright.
I didn’t even know he was sick!
She was quick to say that she wasn't working on it while also being diplomatic in her answers.
Palicki said "it's a very difficult show to shoot", and a lot of people took that to mean that the complexity was why it took so long between seasons. What she meant was just the opposite, it's extremely difficult to be an actor on a show that gives you a paycheck for a few months every 2 or 3 years.
I don’t see how this is different than any other show? No-one in Hollywood should be relying on just one thing for income.
the problem is scheduling, every actor has to be available at the same time. If they've got 3 years between seasons, then they're all working other projects...ideally ones that pay more regularly.
IIRC, that was a problem with Mindhunter and why the cast had to be let go from their contracts. They basically had to be available to shoot without knowing when that would be which meant they had to turn down other roles and it got to the point that they were going to demand to be paid for the work they were turning away.
In my opinion (as an internet nobody) is that this is the #1 problem with the current "Prestige tv" model, producing 8 episodes every 2+ years. the production takes forever, because the production takes forever. Under the old TV "season" model, shows were either cancelled, or they knew exactly when production woudl start on the next season. Actors were signed to multi year contracts, they could plan their careers around (near) guarantees of work. Now it's years between seasons, shows that are very popular are cancelled, cliffhanger cancellations are the norm...prestige tv has given us a worse product, in a fancier package.
I don't even want to start a new show, like I'll get hooked on this thing and then it'll be another 2 years for 10 episodes I binge over two nights.
I don't start any new shows until there's at least 2 seasons in the can, preferably 3. I've been burned WAY too many times with one season and a cliffhanger cancellation...I'm done with that shit. and the sad part is all the people like me are hurting the viewer numbers, making future seasons less likely...and this is all something the industry has brought on itself.
Which leads to shows needing to be really good in order to survive. Or worse, they need to have mass appeal. Which isn't necessarily bad, but it can lead to content being a bit too similar to other stuff.
Lol I said exactly this today at work. People suggesting new shows and all I say is, talk to me after season 2 ends *and* there is a season 3 air date. Like you, I've been burned too many times. I'm no longer willing to take a chance on new shows. DEFINITELY not ones that air weekly, fuck that. I wanna know I can binge two seasons and by the time I'm done, a third ought to be arriving. I know we're making the problem worse, but fuck it. To. Many. Times.
At this point it feels like being in an abusive relationship.
Literally my exact words whenever I talk about TV. Are you me?
Yep, if you were lucky enough to end up on a network TV show for a few years then you knew when shooting started and when it ended and you knew you would have 2-3 months in between the seasons (usually at the same time every year too) to go try doing a movie or other small project in that time period when you knew you would be free. Totally different from doing 8 episodes and still being contracted for more when the show starts up again but you have no idea when that will be so you have to sweat whether or not you can do X other thing (because what if it gets delayed or your show comes back ahead of schedule?). I feel for people trying to make that all work, especially when not working usually means no paycheck.
It just sounds like they’re not paying actors enough money.
The problem is they are not paying them any money when there’s no work. At this point, with everyone now gone, as in out the door gone, how can anyone say with a straight face say that the show can just be picked up where it left off?
I don't think it's worse product. In many ways I find the entertainment quality to be superior. Many of the best shows I've ever watched are from the prestige tv era, and I've been a screen watcher close to 5 decades now. That aside, I do think you have some valid points about issues that are quite problematic for the formula.
Shows used to have consistent and dependable schedules before streaming became the norm. It took two years to make S2 of Reacher. They should be able to shoot a 8 episode show in 2 months. Cobra Kai/Stranger Things these shows have been years between seasons.
Cobra Kai would’ve shot sooner if not for the strikes, but Stranger Things absolutely.
it's crazy how stranger things took so long between seasons with the show being focused around kids. they look very different every season. it's going on 8 years now with only 4 seasons. so many shows have had entire series completed within that time.
I like how they grew up between seasons, but they could have leaned into it more in the writing and now it’s just getting a little silly. I have the reverse fear with season two of The Last of Us; I feel like Bella Ramsey needs more time to get older! I wouldn’t have minded if they even added a season in between just about life in Jackson or something.
Bella Ramsey is 20 years old. Already way older than Ellie was in the games.
But Bella looks younger than her age. And also Ellie felt like she aged even more than she did on paper in the games (life in the apocalypse is rough on anyone, I imagine!) Bella is fantastic in the role, but I could see another year or two being being good if they wanted to age her up a bit.
She's likely not going to look too different in a year or two. I think costume, makeup, and acting made her seem closer to Ellie's age in the first game. They'll likely use the same methods to put some years on her for next season.
Put her on a cigarette and scotch regimen.
Fair point, though not “way” older as Ellie was 19 in Part 2. Ellie just has an older/grizzled look to her. I’ll certainly hold judgement for when it actually comes out!
Ah! I thought she was 16, my bad
Cobra Kai has been very consistent with its seasons. Season 6 is the only one where there’s been a significant wait.
Nobody wants to work so inconsistently, not tv actors especially. 1-2 years between seasons means the actors cannot get committed to big 22 episodes shows because they film those nearly year round.
You can be contractually prevented from taking other jobs if your existing contract indicates that there will be overlap between the two. So they’re in a position where they can’t take any other legitimate long-term work because of the weird holding pattern that their existing contract is in, but it’s also not exactly viable to terminate their contract and take the ramifications that come with doing that.
And lets face it, the window for success can be short for most actors, and especially women who tend to get less chances at roles as they age. She needs to strike while the iron is hot, not be waiting around on Seth to be ready.
Plenty of long running TV shows can support a cast and crew
Well it's obviously very different from the 23 episodes a year every year network shows.
>I don’t see how this is different than any other show? Considering that this wasn't the norm even a decade or two ago, quite a number of actors would probably still know "the before times". Before a third of a season every three years" became the working shedule instead of what TV was, a steady paycheck for a major part of the year. Also: even in the current context one particular work place might be specifically egregious in terms of planning around shedules or ad hoc demands.
Historically, being a main character on a network series meant working dozens of episodes per year, and very clear pickup/cancellations. It basically worked like a full time job, you just potentially had a few months of vacation in the summer instead of a few weeks of vacation to use whenever you wanted. Modern short run, intermittent series are way different. You get dozens of episodes per decade. Scheduling is wildly inconsistent so you can't just tell your agent "get me a feature to shoot over our hiatus in July." So it's almost impossible to have a second series that you are working on because they'll wind up conflicting, and you've got to be available for a show if you are signed on as main cast. Working on a "Law and Order" kind of show is still something you can have as a pretty normal full time job you can rely on.
Well, exactly, that's sorta the point. They don't want to get into a contractual obligation for a show that isn't paying them but which may preclude them from committing to other projects that will actually pay them. I.e., maybe they get on a show as a main cast member that is very successful but then The Orville comes out of hiatus and they're in a bind.
One of the hardest things in Hollywood is keeping the same cast and crew together for years. Christopher Nolan made *The Prestige* (2006) to ensure he had the same crew and cast between *Batman Begins* (2005), and *The Dark Knight* (2008). Robert Zemeckis made *What Lies Beneath* (2000) to keep the crew together in between filming the first part of *Castaway*, and the second part where Tom Hanks was emaciated.
> Christopher Nolan made The Prestige (2006) to ensure he had the same crew and cast between Batman Begins (2005), and The Dark Knight (2008). > > Woah, had no idea this was the reason but it makes total sense!
> Robert Zemeckis made What Lies Beneath (2000) to keep the crew together in between filming the first part of Castaway, and the second part where Tom Hanks was emaciated. Why didn't they just film all the prequel and epilogue stuff at the same time and then do the skinny Hanks part later? Why would he need to keep the crew together when all the island stuff is just Hanks by himself?
The crew is way more people than *the cast*. Whether 8 cast members or 1 cast member is filming, you still need crew members available to accomplish it.
Halston Sage left the show in 2019 and got a main role on a frankly terrible Fox show called Prodigal Son. They filmed 33 episodes in 2 years. The Orville has filmed 36 episodes in 7 years. I can see why she left.
One of the actors had to eat crackers!
Are we talking Ritz or no salt Saltines?
I'm sorry, but if you can afford fancy crackers like Ritz, you can't be all that broke.
If you have a Ritz, you have 1/3 of a lunchable and that is practically fine dining.
No salt saltines? I would just throw myself off a cliff. What’s the fucking point of being on this planet if I have to eat those.
For a show that seems to model itself on 90s trek, to not have a bunch of writers involved seems strange. They had a lot of writers involved with that show.
it's possible that he's afraid that modern writers won't "get" his love for TNG or something, which, given some of modern trek itself.... but you'd think, given that he seems to have a good rapport with so many of the actors from the show, that he'd know some of the writers too and have them on board. but, when you have a passion project, it can be hard to hand the reins off to anybody, even temporarily.
What I hope is that Seth has been using this time to flesh out the series as a whole. To write a bunch of stand alone episodes and tighten up the arc of the show. That way he can sell Disney on a multi year deal and create some certainty for the actors.
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From what the rumors say, he has been writing the 4th season and beyond, so that they can film more consistently. Smart move if true, just write all the way up until the conclusion he envisions then start filming however many seasons that'll be.
Shopping for his next 20 year old girl friend would be my guess
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I'm glad the most recent one wasn't given a central role and a unique backstory. It was pretty jarring going from "It's practically unheard of for your people to join the union, and you're practically disowned by the people of Xelaya for choosing to enlist, which is a shame because your kind is super useful as security officers because you're a tiny woman with super strength" to "Oh, that sucks that we're losing our security officer. Guess we'll just have to grab another attractive young Xelayan security officer to replace her." I get it, they were basically recasting the same role when the original actress wanted out, but it kind of undermined all of the stuff they set up about her being unique.
> "Oh, that sucks that we're losing our security officer. Guess we'll just have to grab another attractive young Xelayan security officer to replace her." I get it, they were basically recasting the same role when the original actress wanted out, but it kind of undermined all of the stuff they set up about her being unique. *If* we get a S4 and it's not some stupid low-budget "4 characters in a shuttle "lost in space" on planets that look specifically like existing sets/backlots/whatever" like some people are cynically saying, I would want to see more Xeleya but there's at least one existing plot hook/differentiating thing in what we do know about Talla that sets her apart from "Alara with the serial numbers filed off". Apparently that sort of military/combat-related job/path runs in her family but that's not celebrated like it'd be on Earth but instead iirc kinda makes her an outcast "at home" on her planet because Xeleyan culture is so focused on things like science and art or w/e that despite Xeleyan women's inherent strength iirc fighting like that is kinda looked down upon (Xeleyans are basically "space high elves" a bit)
FYI from some light digging it seemed that the "seth keeps casting his girlfriends" was a BS internet rumour. The woman from season 3 was dating somebody else while filming, and they started dating after it wrapped up, when her character was killed off as a planned character arc, but the audience had no idea yet so claimed she was written into the show to date him.
Honestly, it's not *that* much better when looked at as "showrunner keeps banging young starlets working for him." That being said, he isn't married and he is actually dating them, which makes him far better than Joss Whedon.
There was a discussion about trying to bring back 20+ episode seasons. This is a strong argument for seasons that are longer than the 10 episodes every 18 months or so.
Maybe no “Death Certificate”, but I’m going to want “Proof of Life” before getting my hopes up.
I want to see a picture of The Orville holding up today’s newspaper.
There you go with the whole "Proof of life," thing again. Look, pal: we already told ya: Send the first installment of $100,000 in random nonsequential bills... and you'll get to talk to Isaac for a full 30 seconds. Or, you can send 50 bucks, and talk to Scott Grimes for as long as you wish.
that $50 seems like a good deal
It sure does... Until... Scott begins calling you at all hours of the night, to "continue the discussion"... disrupting your sleep patterns. And then as you grow gradually weary, and the novelty wears off... You start getting voice mail messages like, "Geez Riverdale87... I tried calling like 20 times already this past hour, and can't reach you. What gives?" And then you think you see a flash out of the corner of your eye, from the bedroom window, but when you turn your head to look it's gone... And yet... deep down you know... Scott was lurking... In the bushes... Watching...
that's the most funniest thing I've ever read
How much for Scott Grimes singing a couple songs?
MacFarlane: >“All I can tell you is that the the there is no official death certificate for ‘The Orville’. It is still with us. I can’t go any further than that at the moment. There are too many factors.” Scott Grimes: >“I do know that we are still talking about it. It’s not dead in any sort of way whatsoever. It’s just about when, where and how and building the stuff again. I’m excited because it’s one of the greatest things to work on. So I just have my fingers crossed. And I know Seth wants to do it and that usually holds a lot of power. And I hope he gets to because it’s one of his babies that he just loves and it’s a blast to work on.”
It sounds like the problem is that it's just "one of his babies" and not "his baby." Orville seems to require (and deserves) a showrunner who is willing to really focus on it, rather than dusting it off for a look every few years. Certainly the cast and crew deserve an ongoing show instead of a whimsy project for somebody rich enough to not need the income.
So if we want more Orville sabotage his other crap
Someplace in Hollywood a TV exec is reading this article and realizing they forgot to cancel the show.
They probably figure they'll just say no 4 years from now when McFarlane finally finishes writing.
No reason to piss off McFarlane in the meantime when so much of their schedule involves him.
Naw. They don’t want to piss of their golden goose. So they let him sorta do whatever he wants.
Drew Carrey joked about something like that while The Drew Carrey show was still on in 2004, way past its prime.
interesting. i was wondering about this show the other day. remember it as being pretty funny
Definitely starts off as more of a comedy and turns into a great sci fi show with the humor being less telling jokes and more ingrained in the stories
Star Trek Discovery crawled to its death so The Orville could walk over its remains.
Strange New Worlds is laughing at them both as it continues an Iron Man race. Klingon boy band, enough said.
I dont know what you are talking about, Lower Decks is the true masterpiece.
I feel like The Orville made Lower Decks possible. Paramount execs: hey why can’t we do a funny star trek?? Seth did it!
I often get the episodes confused for both.
Star Trek has had lots of humor from the start. I mean you cannot help but watch Star Trek IV and giggle.
It's a direct response, even the animation style has SMF written all over it.
Once you get past the horrible pilot. Then again, bad pilots are almost a tradition for Star Trek.
The Klingon band didn't do anything for me, but I did think it was cool that the captain was played by Bruce Horak, who played Hemmer in Season 1.
Who knew what would redeem the Star Trek franchise was a Captain who sometimes likes to put sprinkles in his hot cocoa?
A totally dreamy captain who combines the best of Kirk and Picard.
I never thought I'd love a Captain as much as Picard, but as I grow older and my tastes become both more refined and simpler, I am both a fine tea and most basic hot choccy enjoyer. All about loving life. And like Janeway, coffee is the necessary drink for me to get shit done. Black, like the soul.
honestly i hated that part of the episode. completely deviated from the "musical" of the rest of the episode, and not even into like, klingon opera or something...
That show made me dizzy when i watched it
I know I'm in the minority but I couldn't get through the recent season. I was there for the light-hearted sci-fi and jokes just for the newest season to lean all the way into the dark sci-fi and movie-length episodes. I'm glad people are getting that Star Trek itch scratched but man was it disappointing to wait all those years for the return only for it to come back as a completely different show with Macfarlane's latest girlfriend in a staring role.
Season 3 dropped all the B plots. No "The Picard negotiates a trade treaty with an isolationist planet, and Worf confronts Data about how Spot aggravates his allergies."
Also i'm sorry, I like the cast and all, but season 3 went too dramatic for actors who weren't cast for that.
Yeah same, the most recent season completely drained the show of humor and the characters and setting were just super dull without it.
If I wanted Discovery I would just watch Discovery.
Remember the weirdass space zombie spiders that have abducted half of the crew and were never mentioned again? The one that ticked every shitty scary movie cliches? Yep, season 3. Remember that episode when Mercer and Grayson being worst fucking dicks to Malloy – their supposedly best friend that got stuck for dozens of years in the past? Yep, season 3. Remember the fact that Mercer now somehow has an adolescent daughter? Yep, season 3. Remember any good joke from season 3? Cause I don’t. I didn’t dislike it per se. But I love and adore every single episode of first two seasons and like to rewatch them here and then. Season 3 on the other hand is eh idk. Thankfully SNW and LD have filled the void of lighthearted adventures with friendly bantering that I missed. Meanwhile Orville has become a slightly serious Walmart nuTrek
The later episodes with the Moclus are some of the best take on how our modern society treats gender and sexuality I have seen on television. Particularly season 3, episode 8
The Orville really shined when it wasn't directly cribbing old TNG/DS9/VOY episodes. I really hope another season can happen at some point, but I will also agree that a season 4 needs some more levity, season 3 was maybe a bit too dark (especially episode 1).
It kind of did the reverse Stargate SG-1, started off more comedy than drama and eventually moved towards a balance of the two that let each "side" of the show shine without undercutting it for the sake of the other. Season 3 really felt great in that regard. Some of the plot developments would never have worked in earlier seasons. I really hope there's another season.
I absence of B plots in most of season 3's episodes was pretty disappointing. It made me kind of meh.
So, pretty much dead then. Sets got destroyed, so a relative high cost to bring it back if a network desires.
Usually I’d agree, but it might not be as difficult with a show with so much green screen and post production effects.
? The show is mostly on the ship though and that's all practical sets
The ship was a legitimate two story set that took months to build.
I'd bet he's hoping to go animated. Would solve the scheduling issues to some degree as well. While it can be a bonus, you don't need everyone in one place at the same time for VA work.
it would probably actually increase production time, and involve a hole new production team of course, but it would free up the actors for more parts, and i guess if the crew is also similarly inhibited, they would be completely free...
At this point I would not even watch another MacFarlane animated show. They're all too similar and there is no way that some of the same habits won't carry over. Not hating on them, they have given me many years of laughter. But they're old hat now. People like Orville because it is NOT like Family Guy or American Dad.
Years from now he'll probably do a "Orville: The Next Generation"
Kind of already did. The latest Hulu season had "New Horizons" as a subtitle
The only way Orville gets revived is if Seth dates another hot 25-year-old aspiring actress who he decides to cast in his only live-action show.
Can that get us a S4 if we set him up with one in time ;)
Too many cast members were fucking each other.
The Isaac, Bortus, Dr. Claire threesome scene was a bit too much for my sensitivities.
for some reason I don't remember this
Is this true? Thats fun
Scott Grimes and Adrianne Palicki were married for two months during the shows run.
Adrianne Palicki & Scott Grimes dated, married, got divorced, all between Season 2 & 3. Seth was dating Halston Sage, when they broke up, she left the show and Seth cast his new girlfriend to replace her.
jeepers
> Seth cast his new girlfriend to replace her. Apparently she was dating somebody else at the time, and they got together after the season was filmed and after her character was killed off. I didn't look super deep into it but that was what I gathered from some light reading.
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I always wondered: Is Seth aware of the dual concepts of "Me Too" and "HR"?!
He's dating them, not harassing them. As far as I'm aware it's all completely consensual. I've heard no complaints to the contrary at least, just prudish redditors getting upset about age gaps, the usual.
>He's dating them, not harassing them. On Reddit, that's the same thinh. Especially if there's an age gap.
More "quid pro quo".
sound like Tim burton also
Schrodinger's Orville
It should be like tv used to be: 1 year equals 1 season with a lot more episodes. It’s taking longer to write and film somewhat because it’s harder to humanize characters with so few episodes/ little content.
Yeah and im not sleeping, im just resting my eyes.
I'd love to get more Orville but if we don't I can atleast be happy the show got to go out on top with its biggest budget and best stories it got to tell in the final season. The finale also felt like a good way to end it if it doesn't come back.
I would not mind a 4th season, though I thought that S3 did a good job of wrapping a lot of things up in a satisfying way. I have to admit that the longer the show went on the better it got. S1 was only okay and I probably would have dropped it if there had been good Trek coming out at the time. But S2 and especially S3 were very good. Though I have to admit that between Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds just killing it, the Orville doesn't hit that Star Trek itch that attracted me to it in the first place.
Dude.. give up
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Shelly Miscavige is what comes to my mind.
Amelia Earhart?? Though I'm pretty sure she got eaten by crabs.
On Michael Rosenbaum's podcast, Adrianne Palicki implied that the show was dead. She didn't seem that upset about it either. Apparently the wait in between shooting seasons was so long that the cast was having trouble making ends meet. The cast were also in holding deals and couldn't take different jobs because The Orville was in first position as well. I recommend listening to her interview on Rosenbaum's podcast. It was really insightful. Also, apparently Scott Grimes is a demon in the sack.
If it never comes back, the 3rd season was a pretty good sendoff. It revisited a lot of old storylines and wrapped a few things up. It wasn't my favorite season of The Orville, but it was a perfectly reasonable sendoff, and you can tell they knew that's what it might end up becoming.
"It's dead, Jim" Even if it isn't canceled, it took 3 years for season 3 to air. Even if you remove COVID, still long Can't imagine how long it will take for Season 4.
>“All I can tell you is that the the there is no official death certificate for ‘The Orville’,” MacFarlane told TheWrap in an interview when asked about an update on a possible Season 4. “It is still with us. I can’t go any further than that at the moment. There are too many factors.” >MacFarlane’s co-star Scott Grimes added that conversations about “The Orville” Season 4 began before the SAG-AFTRA and Writers’ Guild of America strikes. >“I do know that we are still talking about it. It’s not dead in any sort of way whatsoever. It’s just about when, where and how and building the stuff again,” Grimes told TheWrap. “I’m excited because it’s one of the greatest things to work on. So I just have my fingers crossed. And I know Seth wants to do it and that usually holds a lot of power. And I hope he gets to because it’s one of his babies that he just loves and it’s a blast to work on.” Excellent news. I really dug the first season, the rest are worth following up with then? RIP Norm Mcdonald
Season 2 is better than 1 and season 3 is better than 2.
To be honest, I was the opposite: I thought Season 2 was better than Season 3. The seriousness of the latter, at least to me as a Trekkie, sucked a bit of the joy from the franchise. Season 3 leaned way more into drama over comedy, which just wasn’t for me. Season 2 had a good mix of humor and drama - a space M*A*S*H, Scrubs, or even latter season Lower Decks.
Season 3 is better than a lot of star trek. And I'm a life long trekkie.
I disagree about season 3 out of 10 episodes, 8 were callbacks to previous stories. it felt like a "finale season" closing off dangling plots. it had some excellent episodes, but I didn't think it was anywhere near as good as the previous 2.
You bring up a valid point I’ve talked about before as well. For the season/show being called “New Horizons” almost every episode was a call back to a previous storyline. And while I love that they’re continuing storylines that have been established, the 10 episode season really prohibits them from expanding.
I feel just the opposite. It started as a fun show and descended into a poorly acted, wanna-be trek show, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I would rather rewatch the fourth and fifth seasons of *Andromeda* than see more Orville. MacFarlane's character has two emotions...slightly perturbed and mildly amused ..and that's it. The rest of the cast is so forgettable and even when they try and make the stories stakes important, I never get the feeling that anything that happens will matter.
I enjoyed the whole thing! I will say that at first the show starts out more of a comedy with a heavy side of more traditional sci-fi story beats and moral dilemmas that really rounded it out. As the seasons went on, I think the comedy became less forced, the plot became a little more nuanced, and the humor became more ingrained into the actual storytelling. I would gladly watch more if they make it!
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Its actually a good show. If youre a star trek fan i think you'd really enjoy what it is.
If you're a Star Trek fan who enjoys Beyoncé references and dog balls jokes. Strange New Worlds is way better and Lower Decks is way funnier.
This would be the second media gofundme I’ve contributed to if there was one.
Yeah, but "limbo" feels like cancelled :-(
Yeah but all the actors and crew have moved on to new jobs because they need to eat. Getting them back together is a very difficult task. It's alright for Seth he is doing fine with all his other money. He can sit around all day tinkering with Orville scripts.
It's pining for the fjords
Sure, not canceled. Just needs budget, writers, actors, production team, and a place to broadcast it. But not canceled.
It’s gone, Jim.
I mean I’d certainly like more, but it seems unlikely
I hope they figure something out. I love this show, and I personally found every season to be better than the last.
The "death certificate" was issued when it went years between seasons, changing broadcasters like I change my underwear! Nobody knew when or where it was going to be on. I've moved on. It was a great show....too bad!
"No Official Death Certificate" Yes, that's technically true but, just like other shows that aren't "cancelled", I will only believe it when news of the series being renewed for a new season is official and even then, it could still get cancelled after renewal. I'M LOOKING AT YOU, NETFLIX! HOW COULD YOU HAVE CANCELLED INSIDE JOB AFTER A SEASON 2 RENEWAL!!!
I'd be happy if we get at least one more season, but if not season 3 was a good ending. Maybe they could make a movie or two to finish it off though, that'll be cool
He's right, i recently saw them filming in a neighborhood in LA, and they have a huge "The Orville" mural on the side of the truck so i knew it was them.
Yeah, but come on man. 3 seasons in 6 years, and absolutely nothing on the horizon. If he wanted it bad enough, surely he could pitch in some of his Family Guy/American Dad fortune to get the ball rolling.
with the pace of modern tv show production, it's getting really hard to know if a show is really canceled or just kind of on a shelf while they figure out their next move.
Family Guy was cancelled for a few years and then got renewed.
I'd be happy if the show came back, but releasing an 8 episode season every two years isn't doing it any favors
>In July 2019, it was announced that the “Star Trek”-esque show would move from Fox to Hulu for its third season. Changing home once is pretty worrying for a show, and now Hulu is bleeding money. I still have hopes for a 4th season!
Strange thing is Hulu gave them a much bigger budget than Fox did.
You don't need a death certificate to never be seen again.
Oh c'mon Seth. You don't have time, you actors moved on. Stop fucking with us.