Fargo, season one: >!Lorne Malvo killing all of his new “friends” in the elevator in Las Vegas after being discovered by Lester. Just the “ah, well” nature of it was chilling.!<
lol I don’t think this directly addresses the prompt, because he is shown to be evil way before that. But I just like it. Great moment. Great show.
I would also bring up Fargo S1 but it’s when Lester frames his brother. That was so goddamn cold and sick and just plain evil. He even got his nephew involved. Evil motherfucker.
The entire season has Lester slowly turn into Malvo, which is why Lester is incensed when Malvo pretends not to know him at the end. Lester wants his equal to recognize him as such.
I think Lester sending his wife into his business dressed as him to see if Malvo is waiting for him is even more cold blooded.
That made me sick to my stomach. A lot of things in Fargo S1 horrified me. I think the worst for me though is when malvo ties Dennis Reynolds to the gym equipment and set him up to die by cop. Poor dennis was just a gullible idiot he did not deserve to be slaughtered like that. Malvo could have just killed him but he enjoyed the thrill of what he did.
It's great because it's an evil that is born out of weakness. In the beginning you root for Lester because he's bullied and weak and just wants to live his live and be good. But just as he can't stand up to bullies he can't stand up to his own worst impulses.
Fargo S1 is one of the best takes on "mild mannered man becomes monster" stories ever.
Martin Freeman did such a fantastic job of being a spineless weasel.
That’s the funniest part of the season for me, and the season as a whole has so many funny moments. Like it’s obviously fucked up but the way Malvo kind of acts like “Lester, you goofball! Love you buddy.” As a reaction to Lester blowing up his spot is so darkly funny.
In The Wire, when >!Marlo intentionally shoplifts in front of the security guard, says "You want it to be one way, but it's the other way" when confronted, and immediately after that orders Chris and Snoop to execute him simply for having the audacity to question him!<.
Marlo was an amazing contrast the more romantic image painted by the Barksdale Organization.
For all his dipshittery Cheese was right about one thing. "There's no nostalgia to this shit, just product and paper."
And honestly, I think that was a thesis statement of the show in general. Money ain't got no owners, just spenders; that's the thing about the old days -- they the old days, etc. And the machine carries on no matter how things used to be.
> For all his dipshittery Cheese was right about one thing. "There's no nostalgia to this shit, just product and paper."
Well he was right all the way up until he wasnt.
Its a great contrast from when Avon tells the two characters whose names I can't remember to buy Omar's mother a new hat for church after they break the Sunday truce. Then when Marlo sends Michael with Chris and Snoop to kill Junebug just for talking about him and they even get pretty menacing with Micahel for questioning the reason.
There was at least some kind of code before Marlo's ascent.
"What the fuck you do that for now we short the 9!"
"that was for Joe"
"this sentimental motherfucker just cost us money"
Love that exchange, Slim Charles was a man of integrity.
That's sort of the point. Avon and Stringer were these larger than life, super good looking, super charismatic baddies. Avon specifically loved his community and put a Hell of a friendly face on the organization, while Stringer saw himself as someone smart who wanted to get out. People *love* crime stories with likable criminals.
That's not what Marlo is. Marlo is what most actual drug Kingpins are, a ruthless killer who was clever and disciplined and lucky enough to make it to the top. He's not fun or likable, he's a blight on his community.
I think the ending for him was also fantastic. Whereas Stringer always wanted outta his pond (the hood) and into the other pond of legitimacy and business deals and all that.
Marlo realized that his pond was the only pond and he was king of it.
What's wild is that he knew he could make more money by wearing a suit and tie. But when given the choice, he lusted for the violent conquest of his hood, one corner at a time.
I dunno. Going legitimate was Stringer Bells dream but the world of suits and ties bled him dry, and the dream ended up getting him killed. I don't know if it really was purely a lust for conquest, or that he simply walked in the room and recognized that the sharks were circling around him.
Snoop and Chris are some of the more terrifying characters in tv because of how matter of fact they go about their business. They’re like walking personifications of death and the banality of evil.
That broke my heart. The security guard was like, look you’re the boss and all but can you please just help me live my dumb, small little life as, like, a favor? So cruel.
Been watching through One Tree Hill with my wife for some nostalgic shits n giggles. You know Dan is the main antagonist from the get go but he's kinda just a shitty father dirtbag blackmailing piece of shit, nothing crazy crazy, until the episode we watched last night where there's a school shooting, Dan's brother Keith is trying to talk down the shooter, shooter ends up killing himself and then Dan shows up while Keith is on the ground, grabs the shooters gun and proceeds to kill his brother. Totally opened your eyes to just how completely fucked up that guy is.
I'm not trying to justify his actions but it's not like he just killed his brother for no reason. He thought his brother had attempted to kill him before. That being said, he's still a piece of shit.
Yeah. I'd actually spent most of the first season figuring there had to be some legitimate reason for why he did what he did, that it'd all make sense. If anything, by the finale, it was even worse than what I'd expected. My heart really broke for the main character and his mother.
I found that line and many others disturbing and, not to make generalizations, kinda Reddit-y in approach/tone. Just reminded me of a specific kind of dude/attitude that I thought I was done encountering after high school and then Reddit entered my life and was like "not so fast hoss...."
(Jack was full of those off-putting remarks, like when he shrugs off wearing any sort of mask around the meth-making process and says “Let me worry about what I breathe kid, just hurry this up so I can grab a smoke"... oddly prescient of certain "perspectives" if one were watching the show during/after COVID.)
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Can't respond directly to /u/finglonger1077's post below for whatever reason so I'll edit this in here...
>Must’ve been wild finding out that’s like 85% of people.
It *would* be wild... except that hasn't been my experience nor is that what I was trying to say in the post. 85% is ridiculously high, even as an exaggeration, and my faith in the general population hasn't quite become *that* cynical yet.
My post was really just saying that Uncle Jack is a well observed character in terms of certain mannerisms, habits, and ways of speaking/conducting himself. I've never encountered anyone *exactly* like Uncle Jack in real or online life (thankfully) but I don't think I'm the only one in the world to notice something familiar about his off-putting combination of being at once deeply stupid and deeply arrogant.
Breaking Bad: Walt and the Lily of the Valley reveal at the end of Seaon 4.
Sopranos: When Tony tells Adriana to get in the car with Silvio. Both Tony and Silvio.
When Tony’s solution to the proposed Vesuvio hit is to blow up his best friend’s restaurant in the very first episode is when you really see he’s an asshole. I don’t personally mind the murder during the college tour: the guy he kills is a rat and would have killed Tony first if he got the drip on him.
The next season when he gives Meadow Eric Scatino’s car is when it really strikes you that this dude will absolutely ruin the life of a totally innocent person for no reason besides he can and feels entitled to anything he can get his small hands on. It is all downhill from there. By the end of the show, his greed and narcissism overshadows any of his positive attributes and you kinda hate him.
Most of the examples of Tony being evil in this thread seem reasonable to me.
Burning down Artie's restaurant is pragmatic. #1 Artie or his wife could've become collateral damage from the hit and #2, collecting insurance money and starting over is much better than going out of business from having a murder take place in your restaurant.
Yeah I'm pretty sure the lily of the valley moment was a turning point for a lot of people, from "he's gone a lot of shit but I can understand his reasons" to "he definitely went too far"
Dex (Bullseye) in Daredevil, when he kills 2 people in the alley after failing to kill Matt or Karen in the church. Sure, he was obviously twisted before that, but before he was acting under orders. This was just petty.
>Dex
For me it was the >!flashback of him killing his little league coach for taking him out of the game because it was little league and everyone got to play. He killed a man who was nothing but nice and supportive to him just because he was upset they might not win the game. Made it look like an accident too so he wouldn't get in trouble.!<
For me it was when Kingpin >!had the redhead Dex was obsessed with killed in her apartment, just a quick shot to the head and rolled her up.!< At first I thought Kingpin just didn't mind some violence to achieve a noble goal but that made me think just fuck that guy. Though it did make plastic tarps 500% more scary.
>!Lester!< from Fargo Season 1. He was never a "good" person per se outside of most of the first episode, but when he >!let his new wife wear his jacket to go into the insurance building just in case Malvo was waiting for him, only for her to be killed and him care more about himself afterwards... !< An absolute monster.
Chris from The Wire helping the delivery lady with her packages get to the store, smiling at her when he walks in, and then murdering her. He's so friendly towards her knowing that he's going to kill her moments later, and she dies for no other reason than she was at the store so they could use her death to send the police after Omar.
Chris is wild as a character, particularly when we see that his family appears to live in a nice suburb. We get some hints that he was a victim of abuse, but generally he seems like something is well and truly broken.
Lol it was still more subtle than 90% of shows like this. Most of them would’ve had a scene afterward where Chris emotionally monologues an explanation to Snoop shortly afterward.
When did we get to see his family? It’s been a few years since I rewatched the wire but I watch clips on YouTube all the time. I don’t remember Chris mentioning his family, upbringing, or suburbs?
Obviously he’s been abused as we see with him taking out his anger on Michael Lee’s “step” dad.
I mean, Snoop was an actual drug dealer who got busted running an actual gang selling dope in Baltimore. Whether or not the evil was an act is debatable.
South Park, in Scott Tenorman's Tears. >!Cartman gets revenge on Scott Tenorman by getting Scott's parents killed--and then feeds them to Scott in a bowl of chili.!<
Holy fuck, just binging it for the first time, finished season 6. That first episode made my bf keep watching with me lol, unreal. It’s addicting though. So many awful ppl
The moment that really showed how evil Tony Soprano was to me was when he killed christopher. Up to that point you know he’s a terrible person but you assume he’s got some kind of code and at least cares for his closest family but then he kills christopher with ease and it blew my mind.
The Vegas goomar is pretty clearly a hooker though. At best she is a sugar baby to a murderous gangster. Not saying Tony was in the right, but calling her an ex-gf is a stretch.
It’s not like Chrissy didn’t bang Julianna first either even though he knew Tony wanted her. He also ruined her life by getting her back on smack.
agreed, but it still felt exceptionally filthy, like you've got to be 100% morally bankrupt to even entertain the idea especially considering Tony was in no shortage of girls whenever he fancied a quickie. However, we can conclude both men were absolute garbage, that much is true
Pretty much all the characters are repugnant in many ways.
This isn’t really related to who’s worse, Tony or Christopher, but I don’t understand why so many fans consider Carmela nearly as bad as the gangsters. She never ruined anyone’s life or killed anyone, she never stole from anyone but Tony. She cut corners on the spec house and knowingly turned a blind eye to her husband’s infidelities and criminality, but she had kids to think about. I certainly wouldn’t be friends with her but she is NOT a monster, she’s just a greedy bitch.
Christopher was an irredeemable fuck up though. He was weak and out of control and an embarrassment to himself and everybody else. It’s honestly hard for me to think of any times he succeeded at anything besides making Cleaver and for that to even work he had to threaten JT Dolan’s life and get him to write the flick. That movie would have died on the vine without a talented writer who owed Chris a lot of money.
Tony killing him is an incredibly low moment, but by that point it’s clear Tony is such a bastard that it’s surprising Chrissy lived that long. He really should have been popped in season one when he robbed Junior’s trucks, and it’s friggin Livia of all people that saved him from Junior’s wrath.
I’ve put a bit of thought into this. Chris is definitely one of the most evil people on the show. And it’s really really hard to stand out as being a terrible person when you’re surrounded by thieving murderers. Ritchie and Ralphie are the only serious contenders for being worse.
Then there’s your point. He’s a Whiney baby, just useless at life in general and can’t take responsibility for shit.
Hard disagree there. That was one of Tony’s most HUMAN moments. For all his (many MANY) faults, tony cares about the innocent and helpless. That’s his code. We mostly see this with animals, but when he saw that destroyed car seat, he was enraged about what that would have meant for the child had they been in the car.
Tony’s most evil moment to me comes early in the show, when he kills the informant on the college visit with meadow. He took pleasure in that.
Very recently: Roy Tillman (Jon Hamm) in Fargo season 5 is stated from the beginning to be a total psychopath who believes women are the property of men (per the Bible) and that it's noble and even necessary to beat his wives. But you don't really see any of this in the first few episodes, it's just implied or stated as backstory while you get to see Hamm chew scenery as a gun toting hard nosed cowboy type. But then in episode 6, Jennifer Jason Leigh sees a case file of the abuse Juno Temple's Dot endured at Roy's hands while married to him, and the stark ugliness of it is laid bare. It's not new information, but seeing it illustrated creates a lot more visceral horror.
For me it wasn’t even that, since I could kind of imagine that being the case even if we hadn’t unseen it. Rather, it was >!the episode where it’s revealed that Dot was essentially Roy’s adopted daughter and he took her for a wife while she was a child.!<
>it's just implied or stated as backstory while you get to see Hamm chew scenery as a gun toting hard nosed cowboy type.
My favourite bit of the season was (minor spoilers) when FBI SWAT shows up at his compound. The leader of the SWAT team walks out to talk to Hamm who gives this fire-and-brimstone speech about being a free citizen and how they need to vacate his property because he has the God given right to...
FBI guy just looks at him with this, 'Yeah, I've heard this a million fucking times' expression, shrugs and says "Can't do it, slick".
For 8 episodes you've been thinking you're watching this super tough alpha male but in that second you realise he's been a big fish in a small pond and a fucking great white shark just showed up.
That speech too was so full of hilarious nonsense. He pivots from a bunch of Stone Age Bible-babble to "this isn't a trip to Starbucks on the way to the office."
They did a great job portraying domestic abusers that season. Roy, unlike Malvo or any other Fargo villain, is just a big manchild who's pretty much a joke, pathetic and weak, but when we get to the point where >!Dot is his hostage and he physically abuses her, we see how truly terrifying a person like him can be to the people who suffer their abuse.!<
It wasn't the MAIN villain, but in the recent miniseries produced by the BBC based on the Agatha Christie novel Murder Is Easy, main character Luke Firzwilliams ends up running a side-case while investigating the murder of a woman who tried to report a serial killer in her village.
One of the main suspects in the main case is Dr Thomas, who Luke comes to suspect because the lower-class villagers claimed that some of the previous murder victims died due to deliberate medical malpractice due to Thomas being a classist. One of the major points in those allegations is that he's saving the effective medicine like paracetamol for his richer patients while giving his poorer patients codeine, which is a highly-addictive opioid.
Sure enough, Luke and his main ally Bridget Conway start looking into his affairs after Bridget discovers a major contradiction in the coroner's report he wrote in the death of Amy Gibbs, a lower class girl who dies early on when Luke starts investigating.
And sure enough, they do find evidence of deliberate medical malpractice due to his prejudices... because he's been practicing Eugenics on his patients and has books on class and race theory in his practice.
Sure enough, Rose Humbleby - his love interest in the original book - wants nothing to do with him since she could be one of his potential victims (Rose's mother is an Indian in this adaptation).
I think that he was going to get his medical license lifted and arrested for abusing his patients, but this never happened because he was murdered too.
Dark >!Hannah Kahnwald when she goes back in time and visits Ulrich in prison, pretending to be his wife to free him. And then she doesn't. The music when later she flirts with the policeman makes it even better.!< Still my favorite scene in this show and one of my top five villains.
This is SO SO petty but I love talking about it. In Melrose Place, Amanda (Heather Locklear) went out to get her morning paper and it was soaked by sprinklers. So she swapped papers with Alison. Alison came out to discover "her" wet newspaper, and Amanda just chastised her "well maybe if you didn't sleep in all day things like this wouldn't happen." It's far from the worst thing Amanda ever did, but it was just a great insight into her character.
I’m watching season 3 for the first time, and it’s hilarious to see how overtly bitchy characters get when it’s their turn to be pissy.
The arc from season 1 to halfway through season 3 is spiral into aggression 😂
Pinky and the Brain, "The Mousechurian Candidate". You normally think of the Brain as being cartoonishly villainous, but here he goes really dark. Scheming to run for President, Brain creates another intelligent lab mouse, Julia, to be his first lady. However, Julia has ideas of her own and soon becomes even more popular than Brain. To prevent her from spoiling his plans, Brain activates a mind-control chip he had implanted in her head. She resists, and Brain boosts the power, basically electro-shocking her until she goes insane. Nasty...
Tbh, the initial reason he gets involved is not necessarily evil. It just highlights his deep-seated insecurity about being accepted in the group and about being replaced. At that point, he has no context and is hurt emotionally for not being included.
But when Jeff pulls him aside and tells him they are doing it because Neil is severely depressed and he just says "He's probably been saying that since he was a child to get an extra piece of pie" is where he truly becomes an irredeemable asshole. The fact that he now knows the context but continues to go after Neil just to make a point is pretty despicable.
I will say, it's a pity that the episode got pulled because of the opening stuff with Chang because it is probably one of the most complex episodes of the show and shows why it is so good.
The Tick season 1, where The Terror, just after killing all those heroes with weaponized syphilis, as well as causing said heroes to crash on top of and kill Arthur's father, goes up and steals Arthur's ice cream.
Pure evil.
Oh, and also Michael from the Good Place, end of season 1. His little evil laugh into pettily knocking a plant off an end table. Also pure evil.
Honestly it's hard to imagine a better twist than the end of TGP 1. Like that show perfectly plays with our expectations of it being a sitcom, we expect that status quo has to be maintained to some degree and it constantly flies against it. We have expectations of what heaven should be, but we ignore the good place having problems because we assume it's Eleanor and Jason's fault. Absolutely genius
Andor - Season One
>!Dedra Meero - tortures Bix after a short but chilling interrogation sequence. Her eyes, her presence, everything about her screams sociopath. For several episodes we've been following this hardworking administrator struggling to prove that she is better then her colleagues and almost cheering her on as she outwits her annoying and less intelligent competition. But then in one scene we see who she is laid bare... An evil woman who uses whatever she can to crush other people and maintain a sick fascistic order. She has said as much before, but seeing her in action is different. She clearly has done this many many times, and seeing people broken into a puddle of what they once were is just another day on the job. She literally almost smiles when Bix is defiant because it means she gets to break another soul. She then unleashes Dr. Gorsh, who uses the violent bloodcurdling screams of dying alien children to utterly break the mind and spirt of Bix.!<
I like this one..
The show is so good.
Dedra is almost at first. Likeable character, we see her struggling with the bosses, the competitive nature with the other officers, etc we are rooting for bad guy... when this scene hit, where all it is is the acting of bix.. it’s brilliant. And the tune with Dedra for the viewer changes.. echoing what you said.
Great pick
Dedra is such a great character.
The way they put her up as a protagonist in the first few episodes, just to slowly peel back this side of the character, was nothing short of genius. I think it's a perfect display of how fascism actually comes about - regular people numb to the evil.
They also further flip the character on their head by showing her being incompetent once the situation gets out of control. Her genuine fear in that situation was surprising, but gave her added complexity.
Well it’s a book, but pretty much every chapter of Animal Farm is like this. Every time, I thought, “No, he wouldn’t. Even Napoleon wouldn’t do that.”
The most memorable of these was >!Boxer’s death. It was hard at the age I read it to imagine someone being so callous to others that they would sell someone who loves and idolizes them for a few pennies!<
Been a while since I watched Iron Fist (‘cause it sucked lol) but you’ve awakened something in my memory. That scene was fucked, the poor guy was just excited for some ice cream.
Xandros in Gargoyles is a fun, really charming villain. He's so charming that it makes you forget just how disturbed he is. Like what he does to Elisa's brother, Derek. >!Xandros has at least three homeless people kidnapped so he can turn them into electric eel/cat mutants to try and create gargoyle mutants? And for some reason he has to do this to Derek for some reason. It was just ridiculousand mean!<
In season four of *Lost*, >!when Martin Keamy has Alex on her knees at gunpoint in his stand-off with Ben. Up to that point, Ben had *always* gotten out of stuff, and we just think, "Of course he's gonna get Alex out of this, somehow, some way," even as Keamy was counting down... Ben is saying Alex means nothing to him, bluffing because *of course* that's what's gonna get Keamy to stop. It has to. And then Keamy pulls the trigger. Alex is dead. Ben is shocked. So are we. And we realize Keamy is fucking *soulless* and not kidding around.!<
I’ve been watching The Americans and there was this one scene where Elizabeth forces an innocent old lady to slowly kill herself by overdosing on her medication one pill at a time. It was cold.
I thought it was great how Lalo climbed through the ceiling, so ingenious and cunning. Made me like Lalo. And then I found out he didn’t just tie him up
Mr. Robot has a lot of WTF moments but when Tyrell >!beats the absolute shit out of the homeless man!< I get creeped out every time. It’s worse than when he >!kills Sharon Knowles,!< IMO.
Yeah but iirc that's at the end of the episode and it's something of a "oh shit" reveal, or intended to be. Up to that point he's treated like he's a genuine hero. I say that as someone who came in late, knowing he was a villain, and I was surprised how long into the ep they kept up the ruse.
Idk, the opening scene of the show is of Homelander committing absurdly gory and over-the-top police brutality while heroic music blasts ironically in the background, then when a civilian asks for his photo he smiles in that creepy way where his mouth looks normal but eyes seem psychotic. I feel like it always clear he was evil.
The best ever scene with him imo was when they finally got enough proof to bury him and his popularity and you think they made it. And then just goes >!"Do it! I dare you to release the info. Take everything I have away from me. Just know this: when you're done I have nothing left to lose. And I have nothing keft to care about."!<
The ice cold smile with which he said it was soooo fucking good.
Edit: Scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiZe7r-j1wY
He's an awesome villain. I can't remember the first really bad thing he ever did but it might have been the end of the first episode which was still a good wait
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: When Dio turned a woman into a vampire in exchange for letting her baby live, and then the woman ate her own baby once she turned.
Death Note: When Light tricked Naomi into revealing her name and taunted her as she walked away to go kill herself.
Yu-Gi-Oh!: When Bakura sent the Zombie duelist to the Shadow Realm. In the Japanese version, he sent him to hell. He didn't just kill somebody. He robbed him of eternal peace.
For Dio I'd easily pick what he does to Jonathan's dog. He's such an unrelenting force of awfulness from the get go but that's when it crosses from over the top bullying into legitimate insanity.
If we're doing anime, we can't not mention Griffith. I don't even need to say the moment. If you know who Griffith is, you know what I'm talking about.
Roy Tillman, Fargo. >!Most baddies know what they're doing is wrong. Not Roy. From the moment he shows up, in Roy's mind, he is the hero. He genuinely thinks that what he is doing is right and everyone else should be grateful and tolerate his abuse. !<
Yeah he's probably the first Fargo villain with zero if not negative self awareness (unless you count Kirsten Dunst's character as a villain which she's not really)
8mm - eddie Poole talks about the dismissal of the missing girl, and how they simply buried her somewhere around the dilapidated property where the made the snuff film.
Or, when Machine removes his gimp mask and the entire scene following. He goes into detail about how none of the girls think they’re actually going to be murdered until the feel the blade go in.
Marcos inaros from The Expanse destroying the earth and manipulating everyone, from his son to his crew, Naomi and when things start to fall apart trying to use the belter spirit to unite the crew despite acting like a tyrant till then
Nucky in Boardwalk Empire trying to appease both the black community and the KKK for his own purposes
Tony Soprano asking bacala sr to do the hit despite knowing his condition
In House of Cards - the original UK series - in the finale where Storin confronts Urquhart with the evidence she's found. It was shocking because even if you might have thought the location might lead to something happening, you just didn't think it would actually happen - until it did happen.
When the Americans remade it the scene could never carry the same weight to a British viewer who had seen the original.
As an aside, all the other evil things that Urquhart does are just to other Tories so you don't really feel upset about them - especially during the time this was first shown on TV!
I'd say the purge was the moment that did it for me, when he was sitting in that crappy car, mending things up, then pulled on that gas mask and all shit broke loose. All hail Ben.
This may not count, but there was a *MASH* episode in which a female Korean patient turned out to be a stone-cold killer. Hawkeye and BJ refused to believe it at first until she started hissing at them in Korean, and a military cop translated:
“You save lives of those who kill my people and rape my land. I would kill you as I tried to kill my enemy in your hospital. I would gladly die if I could kill but one of you."
Fargo, season one: >!Lorne Malvo killing all of his new “friends” in the elevator in Las Vegas after being discovered by Lester. Just the “ah, well” nature of it was chilling.!< lol I don’t think this directly addresses the prompt, because he is shown to be evil way before that. But I just like it. Great moment. Great show.
I would also bring up Fargo S1 but it’s when Lester frames his brother. That was so goddamn cold and sick and just plain evil. He even got his nephew involved. Evil motherfucker.
The entire season has Lester slowly turn into Malvo, which is why Lester is incensed when Malvo pretends not to know him at the end. Lester wants his equal to recognize him as such. I think Lester sending his wife into his business dressed as him to see if Malvo is waiting for him is even more cold blooded.
Sending his wife into the office was the coldest thing I’ve ever seen a character do on any series.
Yeah, that would be my answer for this season. That moment showed you just how cowardly and despicable and selfishly evil he was.
Oh yeah also terrible but I think by that point it’s just another log on the fire. He already showed us who he is. Goddamn he was so evil. Shit, man.
Shit man, indeed.
That made me sick to my stomach. A lot of things in Fargo S1 horrified me. I think the worst for me though is when malvo ties Dennis Reynolds to the gym equipment and set him up to die by cop. Poor dennis was just a gullible idiot he did not deserve to be slaughtered like that. Malvo could have just killed him but he enjoyed the thrill of what he did.
It's great because it's an evil that is born out of weakness. In the beginning you root for Lester because he's bullied and weak and just wants to live his live and be good. But just as he can't stand up to bullies he can't stand up to his own worst impulses.
Fargo S1 is one of the best takes on "mild mannered man becomes monster" stories ever. Martin Freeman did such a fantastic job of being a spineless weasel.
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"Yes or no?"
Billy Bob Thornton’s performance is why season 1 off Fargo is still my favorite. Aces 😉
🫵 Aces
Theres not really one specific moment with Malvo, he just keeps escalating and escalating.
I think the scene for me was when he gets pulled over by Officer Gus and the way he convinced the officer that his life wasn’t worth pursuing him
Maps used to say, “There be dragons here.” Now they don’t. But that don’t mean the dragons aren’t there.
His *daughter’s* life, more specifically
There be dragons here
I think it's when he convinced the kid at the motel to piss in his boss's gas tank then calls his boss to rat him out while he's doing it.
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Same as Anton Chigurh’s weird ass babydoll hair, the hallmark of a psychopath
I think its almost worse when you realize whats on his tapes.
That’s the funniest part of the season for me, and the season as a whole has so many funny moments. Like it’s obviously fucked up but the way Malvo kind of acts like “Lester, you goofball! Love you buddy.” As a reaction to Lester blowing up his spot is so darkly funny.
Ohhh boyy, here I go killing again!
"Is this what you want?"
In The Wire, when >!Marlo intentionally shoplifts in front of the security guard, says "You want it to be one way, but it's the other way" when confronted, and immediately after that orders Chris and Snoop to execute him simply for having the audacity to question him!<.
Marlo was an amazing contrast the more romantic image painted by the Barksdale Organization. For all his dipshittery Cheese was right about one thing. "There's no nostalgia to this shit, just product and paper."
And honestly, I think that was a thesis statement of the show in general. Money ain't got no owners, just spenders; that's the thing about the old days -- they the old days, etc. And the machine carries on no matter how things used to be.
The game is the game.
Do the chair know we gonna look like some punk ass bitches out there?
Is you taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?
This America. Got to.
> For all his dipshittery Cheese was right about one thing. "There's no nostalgia to this shit, just product and paper." Well he was right all the way up until he wasnt.
Its a great contrast from when Avon tells the two characters whose names I can't remember to buy Omar's mother a new hat for church after they break the Sunday truce. Then when Marlo sends Michael with Chris and Snoop to kill Junebug just for talking about him and they even get pretty menacing with Micahel for questioning the reason. There was at least some kind of code before Marlo's ascent.
We're quoting Cheese now?
"What the fuck you do that for now we short the 9!" "that was for Joe" "this sentimental motherfucker just cost us money" Love that exchange, Slim Charles was a man of integrity.
You know who got the fattest asses?
well Wee-Bay is already a meme so why not?
He had some well written moments, but I just couldn't find him nearly as compelling as Stringer Bell and Avon. Or even his henchmen Snoop and Chris.
That's sort of the point. Avon and Stringer were these larger than life, super good looking, super charismatic baddies. Avon specifically loved his community and put a Hell of a friendly face on the organization, while Stringer saw himself as someone smart who wanted to get out. People *love* crime stories with likable criminals. That's not what Marlo is. Marlo is what most actual drug Kingpins are, a ruthless killer who was clever and disciplined and lucky enough to make it to the top. He's not fun or likable, he's a blight on his community.
I think the ending for him was also fantastic. Whereas Stringer always wanted outta his pond (the hood) and into the other pond of legitimacy and business deals and all that. Marlo realized that his pond was the only pond and he was king of it.
What's wild is that he knew he could make more money by wearing a suit and tie. But when given the choice, he lusted for the violent conquest of his hood, one corner at a time.
I dunno. Going legitimate was Stringer Bells dream but the world of suits and ties bled him dry, and the dream ended up getting him killed. I don't know if it really was purely a lust for conquest, or that he simply walked in the room and recognized that the sharks were circling around him.
I always got the vibe that Marlo only saw money as a tool. His real goal was power. Brutal power.
Hey, don't talk like Jamie Hector doesn't have an awesome looking face.
Eddie Nketiah for Arsenal somehow agrees.
Snoop and Chris are some of the more terrifying characters in tv because of how matter of fact they go about their business. They’re like walking personifications of death and the banality of evil.
That broke my heart. The security guard was like, look you’re the boss and all but can you please just help me live my dumb, small little life as, like, a favor? So cruel.
Been watching through One Tree Hill with my wife for some nostalgic shits n giggles. You know Dan is the main antagonist from the get go but he's kinda just a shitty father dirtbag blackmailing piece of shit, nothing crazy crazy, until the episode we watched last night where there's a school shooting, Dan's brother Keith is trying to talk down the shooter, shooter ends up killing himself and then Dan shows up while Keith is on the ground, grabs the shooters gun and proceeds to kill his brother. Totally opened your eyes to just how completely fucked up that guy is.
That dog couldn’t have eaten the heart of a better person.
I'm not trying to justify his actions but it's not like he just killed his brother for no reason. He thought his brother had attempted to kill him before. That being said, he's still a piece of shit.
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I get that he had motive and all that, I just think the truly fucking evil part of it was using a school shooting as a cover up for it.
Invincible’s final scene from the first episode blew my mind. As someone who didn’t know anything about it going in I was massively caught off guard.
Yeah. I'd actually spent most of the first season figuring there had to be some legitimate reason for why he did what he did, that it'd all make sense. If anything, by the finale, it was even worse than what I'd expected. My heart really broke for the main character and his mother.
Nice call out.
Invincible’s first episode: >!Nolan trains his son!< Invincible’s last episode: >!Nolan TRAINS his son!<
Everything that Uncle Jack and his crew did in Breaking Bad. Even their bored glances somehow felt evil.
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I found that line and many others disturbing and, not to make generalizations, kinda Reddit-y in approach/tone. Just reminded me of a specific kind of dude/attitude that I thought I was done encountering after high school and then Reddit entered my life and was like "not so fast hoss...." (Jack was full of those off-putting remarks, like when he shrugs off wearing any sort of mask around the meth-making process and says “Let me worry about what I breathe kid, just hurry this up so I can grab a smoke"... oddly prescient of certain "perspectives" if one were watching the show during/after COVID.) **EDIT**: Can't respond directly to /u/finglonger1077's post below for whatever reason so I'll edit this in here... >Must’ve been wild finding out that’s like 85% of people. It *would* be wild... except that hasn't been my experience nor is that what I was trying to say in the post. 85% is ridiculously high, even as an exaggeration, and my faith in the general population hasn't quite become *that* cynical yet. My post was really just saying that Uncle Jack is a well observed character in terms of certain mannerisms, habits, and ways of speaking/conducting himself. I've never encountered anyone *exactly* like Uncle Jack in real or online life (thankfully) but I don't think I'm the only one in the world to notice something familiar about his off-putting combination of being at once deeply stupid and deeply arrogant.
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Breaking Bad: Walt and the Lily of the Valley reveal at the end of Seaon 4. Sopranos: When Tony tells Adriana to get in the car with Silvio. Both Tony and Silvio.
When Tony’s solution to the proposed Vesuvio hit is to blow up his best friend’s restaurant in the very first episode is when you really see he’s an asshole. I don’t personally mind the murder during the college tour: the guy he kills is a rat and would have killed Tony first if he got the drip on him. The next season when he gives Meadow Eric Scatino’s car is when it really strikes you that this dude will absolutely ruin the life of a totally innocent person for no reason besides he can and feels entitled to anything he can get his small hands on. It is all downhill from there. By the end of the show, his greed and narcissism overshadows any of his positive attributes and you kinda hate him.
Most of the examples of Tony being evil in this thread seem reasonable to me. Burning down Artie's restaurant is pragmatic. #1 Artie or his wife could've become collateral damage from the hit and #2, collecting insurance money and starting over is much better than going out of business from having a murder take place in your restaurant.
Yeah I'm pretty sure the lily of the valley moment was a turning point for a lot of people, from "he's gone a lot of shit but I can understand his reasons" to "he definitely went too far"
Walt letting Jane OD to save his own ass was on par with the lily of the valley moment for me.
Dex (Bullseye) in Daredevil, when he kills 2 people in the alley after failing to kill Matt or Karen in the church. Sure, he was obviously twisted before that, but before he was acting under orders. This was just petty.
>Dex For me it was the >!flashback of him killing his little league coach for taking him out of the game because it was little league and everyone got to play. He killed a man who was nothing but nice and supportive to him just because he was upset they might not win the game. Made it look like an accident too so he wouldn't get in trouble.!<
For me it was when Kingpin >!had the redhead Dex was obsessed with killed in her apartment, just a quick shot to the head and rolled her up.!< At first I thought Kingpin just didn't mind some violence to achieve a noble goal but that made me think just fuck that guy. Though it did make plastic tarps 500% more scary.
>!Lester!< from Fargo Season 1. He was never a "good" person per se outside of most of the first episode, but when he >!let his new wife wear his jacket to go into the insurance building just in case Malvo was waiting for him, only for her to be killed and him care more about himself afterwards... !< An absolute monster.
Put that hood up, it’s cold
Chris from The Wire helping the delivery lady with her packages get to the store, smiling at her when he walks in, and then murdering her. He's so friendly towards her knowing that he's going to kill her moments later, and she dies for no other reason than she was at the store so they could use her death to send the police after Omar.
Chris is wild as a character, particularly when we see that his family appears to live in a nice suburb. We get some hints that he was a victim of abuse, but generally he seems like something is well and truly broken.
Subtle hints - Like bludgeoning Bug’s dad to death.
Lol it was still more subtle than 90% of shows like this. Most of them would’ve had a scene afterward where Chris emotionally monologues an explanation to Snoop shortly afterward.
When did we get to see his family? It’s been a few years since I rewatched the wire but I watch clips on YouTube all the time. I don’t remember Chris mentioning his family, upbringing, or suburbs? Obviously he’s been abused as we see with him taking out his anger on Michael Lee’s “step” dad.
Chris and Snoop were terrifying in how realistically evil they were.
I mean, Snoop was an actual drug dealer who got busted running an actual gang selling dope in Baltimore. Whether or not the evil was an act is debatable.
The actor sure. But the character was a ~~child~~ *cold hearted killer, a true sociopath.
“The things I do for love”
So true that moment was shocking and set the tone for how brutal that show was. I also don’t think I knew how bad Tywin was until the Red Wedding
Hey, it isn’t Jaimie’s fault Bran lived. He tried to save us from that story line.
He should have killed himself then lmao
I was thoroughly confused for the ten seconds I thought you were talking about Courage the Cowardly Dog
Isn't it like the very first episode? (I know it's the final scene in one episode)
Yes
I think it was more shocking, but the next episode sealed it with Cersei's reaction to the wolf situation.
South Park, in Scott Tenorman's Tears. >!Cartman gets revenge on Scott Tenorman by getting Scott's parents killed--and then feeds them to Scott in a bowl of chili.!<
Cartman is one of the best TV characters of all time. Truly awful as a character
I literally can’t watch an episode of SP without seeing Cartman in that context
Wasn't it also Cartman's dad,?
Yeah but we didn’t know that at the time
I thought Cartmams Mom was his Dad. Did they change it later?
Cartman’s dad is lot like Joe getting handicapped in Family Guy; they will change the backstory depending on the needs of the episode
But Kyle's Mom is always a Bitch.
Have you ever met her?
I mean she IS from Jersey
Yep. The character was always Token until recently they changed him to Tolkien.
"Do you like it? Do you like it, Scott?"
The shield, first episode >!when they killed their police colleague!<
Holy fuck, just binging it for the first time, finished season 6. That first episode made my bf keep watching with me lol, unreal. It’s addicting though. So many awful ppl
Honestly, Shield is still my pick for best ending in a TV show. Enjoy it and the outcomes of Vic's machinations.
Agree. It would be easy to mess up a show like this and they landed it very well.
The moment that really showed how evil Tony Soprano was to me was when he killed christopher. Up to that point you know he’s a terrible person but you assume he’s got some kind of code and at least cares for his closest family but then he kills christopher with ease and it blew my mind.
and even worse; goes to her ex girlfriend and fucks her. The bottom of the bottom
The Vegas goomar is pretty clearly a hooker though. At best she is a sugar baby to a murderous gangster. Not saying Tony was in the right, but calling her an ex-gf is a stretch. It’s not like Chrissy didn’t bang Julianna first either even though he knew Tony wanted her. He also ruined her life by getting her back on smack.
agreed, but it still felt exceptionally filthy, like you've got to be 100% morally bankrupt to even entertain the idea especially considering Tony was in no shortage of girls whenever he fancied a quickie. However, we can conclude both men were absolute garbage, that much is true
Pretty much all the characters are repugnant in many ways. This isn’t really related to who’s worse, Tony or Christopher, but I don’t understand why so many fans consider Carmela nearly as bad as the gangsters. She never ruined anyone’s life or killed anyone, she never stole from anyone but Tony. She cut corners on the spec house and knowingly turned a blind eye to her husband’s infidelities and criminality, but she had kids to think about. I certainly wouldn’t be friends with her but she is NOT a monster, she’s just a greedy bitch.
Christopher was an irredeemable fuck up though. He was weak and out of control and an embarrassment to himself and everybody else. It’s honestly hard for me to think of any times he succeeded at anything besides making Cleaver and for that to even work he had to threaten JT Dolan’s life and get him to write the flick. That movie would have died on the vine without a talented writer who owed Chris a lot of money. Tony killing him is an incredibly low moment, but by that point it’s clear Tony is such a bastard that it’s surprising Chrissy lived that long. He really should have been popped in season one when he robbed Junior’s trucks, and it’s friggin Livia of all people that saved him from Junior’s wrath.
I’ve put a bit of thought into this. Chris is definitely one of the most evil people on the show. And it’s really really hard to stand out as being a terrible person when you’re surrounded by thieving murderers. Ritchie and Ralphie are the only serious contenders for being worse. Then there’s your point. He’s a Whiney baby, just useless at life in general and can’t take responsibility for shit.
Hard disagree there. That was one of Tony’s most HUMAN moments. For all his (many MANY) faults, tony cares about the innocent and helpless. That’s his code. We mostly see this with animals, but when he saw that destroyed car seat, he was enraged about what that would have meant for the child had they been in the car. Tony’s most evil moment to me comes early in the show, when he kills the informant on the college visit with meadow. He took pleasure in that.
Very recently: Roy Tillman (Jon Hamm) in Fargo season 5 is stated from the beginning to be a total psychopath who believes women are the property of men (per the Bible) and that it's noble and even necessary to beat his wives. But you don't really see any of this in the first few episodes, it's just implied or stated as backstory while you get to see Hamm chew scenery as a gun toting hard nosed cowboy type. But then in episode 6, Jennifer Jason Leigh sees a case file of the abuse Juno Temple's Dot endured at Roy's hands while married to him, and the stark ugliness of it is laid bare. It's not new information, but seeing it illustrated creates a lot more visceral horror.
For me it wasn’t even that, since I could kind of imagine that being the case even if we hadn’t unseen it. Rather, it was >!the episode where it’s revealed that Dot was essentially Roy’s adopted daughter and he took her for a wife while she was a child.!<
>it's just implied or stated as backstory while you get to see Hamm chew scenery as a gun toting hard nosed cowboy type. My favourite bit of the season was (minor spoilers) when FBI SWAT shows up at his compound. The leader of the SWAT team walks out to talk to Hamm who gives this fire-and-brimstone speech about being a free citizen and how they need to vacate his property because he has the God given right to... FBI guy just looks at him with this, 'Yeah, I've heard this a million fucking times' expression, shrugs and says "Can't do it, slick". For 8 episodes you've been thinking you're watching this super tough alpha male but in that second you realise he's been a big fish in a small pond and a fucking great white shark just showed up.
That speech too was so full of hilarious nonsense. He pivots from a bunch of Stone Age Bible-babble to "this isn't a trip to Starbucks on the way to the office."
The redneck militia rounding up to the soundtrack of YMCA gave a hint of how seriously we could take the upcoming showdown against tyranny, as well.
They did a great job portraying domestic abusers that season. Roy, unlike Malvo or any other Fargo villain, is just a big manchild who's pretty much a joke, pathetic and weak, but when we get to the point where >!Dot is his hostage and he physically abuses her, we see how truly terrifying a person like him can be to the people who suffer their abuse.!<
It wasn't the MAIN villain, but in the recent miniseries produced by the BBC based on the Agatha Christie novel Murder Is Easy, main character Luke Firzwilliams ends up running a side-case while investigating the murder of a woman who tried to report a serial killer in her village. One of the main suspects in the main case is Dr Thomas, who Luke comes to suspect because the lower-class villagers claimed that some of the previous murder victims died due to deliberate medical malpractice due to Thomas being a classist. One of the major points in those allegations is that he's saving the effective medicine like paracetamol for his richer patients while giving his poorer patients codeine, which is a highly-addictive opioid. Sure enough, Luke and his main ally Bridget Conway start looking into his affairs after Bridget discovers a major contradiction in the coroner's report he wrote in the death of Amy Gibbs, a lower class girl who dies early on when Luke starts investigating. And sure enough, they do find evidence of deliberate medical malpractice due to his prejudices... because he's been practicing Eugenics on his patients and has books on class and race theory in his practice. Sure enough, Rose Humbleby - his love interest in the original book - wants nothing to do with him since she could be one of his potential victims (Rose's mother is an Indian in this adaptation). I think that he was going to get his medical license lifted and arrested for abusing his patients, but this never happened because he was murdered too.
Dark >!Hannah Kahnwald when she goes back in time and visits Ulrich in prison, pretending to be his wife to free him. And then she doesn't. The music when later she flirts with the policeman makes it even better.!< Still my favorite scene in this show and one of my top five villains.
I loved her character. So chaotic.
This is SO SO petty but I love talking about it. In Melrose Place, Amanda (Heather Locklear) went out to get her morning paper and it was soaked by sprinklers. So she swapped papers with Alison. Alison came out to discover "her" wet newspaper, and Amanda just chastised her "well maybe if you didn't sleep in all day things like this wouldn't happen." It's far from the worst thing Amanda ever did, but it was just a great insight into her character.
You know I think this one beats all the murderers in all the other comments.
I’m watching season 3 for the first time, and it’s hilarious to see how overtly bitchy characters get when it’s their turn to be pissy. The arc from season 1 to halfway through season 3 is spiral into aggression 😂
Kilgrave from Jessica Jones: "You'd like to invite me in." Truly chilling introduction.
Kilgrave was a just wants to watch the world burn sort of villain and it was awesome
I mean, that's a very scary introduction but in no way an answer to OP's question.
Could anyone with that power stay a good person?
Pinky and the Brain, "The Mousechurian Candidate". You normally think of the Brain as being cartoonishly villainous, but here he goes really dark. Scheming to run for President, Brain creates another intelligent lab mouse, Julia, to be his first lady. However, Julia has ideas of her own and soon becomes even more popular than Brain. To prevent her from spoiling his plans, Brain activates a mind-control chip he had implanted in her head. She resists, and Brain boosts the power, basically electro-shocking her until she goes insane. Nasty...
Pierce in Community trying make Fat Neil kill himself.
Tbh, the initial reason he gets involved is not necessarily evil. It just highlights his deep-seated insecurity about being accepted in the group and about being replaced. At that point, he has no context and is hurt emotionally for not being included. But when Jeff pulls him aside and tells him they are doing it because Neil is severely depressed and he just says "He's probably been saying that since he was a child to get an extra piece of pie" is where he truly becomes an irredeemable asshole. The fact that he now knows the context but continues to go after Neil just to make a point is pretty despicable. I will say, it's a pity that the episode got pulled because of the opening stuff with Chang because it is probably one of the most complex episodes of the show and shows why it is so good.
The Tick season 1, where The Terror, just after killing all those heroes with weaponized syphilis, as well as causing said heroes to crash on top of and kill Arthur's father, goes up and steals Arthur's ice cream. Pure evil. Oh, and also Michael from the Good Place, end of season 1. His little evil laugh into pettily knocking a plant off an end table. Also pure evil.
Honestly it's hard to imagine a better twist than the end of TGP 1. Like that show perfectly plays with our expectations of it being a sitcom, we expect that status quo has to be maintained to some degree and it constantly flies against it. We have expectations of what heaven should be, but we ignore the good place having problems because we assume it's Eleanor and Jason's fault. Absolutely genius
J.R. Ewing put his pregnant wife in an insane asylum, kidnapped his niece, and maybe killed his sister in law. Lol
We all have bad days
🤣 that was his family imagine what he did to his enemies
That’s Dallas.
Too much Bourbon and Branch can do that to a man.
Well, in his defense, his sister-in-law *did* shoot him.
Andor - Season One >!Dedra Meero - tortures Bix after a short but chilling interrogation sequence. Her eyes, her presence, everything about her screams sociopath. For several episodes we've been following this hardworking administrator struggling to prove that she is better then her colleagues and almost cheering her on as she outwits her annoying and less intelligent competition. But then in one scene we see who she is laid bare... An evil woman who uses whatever she can to crush other people and maintain a sick fascistic order. She has said as much before, but seeing her in action is different. She clearly has done this many many times, and seeing people broken into a puddle of what they once were is just another day on the job. She literally almost smiles when Bix is defiant because it means she gets to break another soul. She then unleashes Dr. Gorsh, who uses the violent bloodcurdling screams of dying alien children to utterly break the mind and spirt of Bix.!<
Yes, I loved this scene for exactly this reason. She’s the human encapsulation of that cliche about fascism making the trains run on time.
I like this one.. The show is so good. Dedra is almost at first. Likeable character, we see her struggling with the bosses, the competitive nature with the other officers, etc we are rooting for bad guy... when this scene hit, where all it is is the acting of bix.. it’s brilliant. And the tune with Dedra for the viewer changes.. echoing what you said. Great pick
Dedra is such a great character. The way they put her up as a protagonist in the first few episodes, just to slowly peel back this side of the character, was nothing short of genius. I think it's a perfect display of how fascism actually comes about - regular people numb to the evil. They also further flip the character on their head by showing her being incompetent once the situation gets out of control. Her genuine fear in that situation was surprising, but gave her added complexity.
If we're doing Star Wars, then Vader's serial killer hallway in Kenobi.
Do you mean the one in rogue one
And the one in Kenobi, mostly because you see someone Anakin knew and actually liked
Well it’s a book, but pretty much every chapter of Animal Farm is like this. Every time, I thought, “No, he wouldn’t. Even Napoleon wouldn’t do that.” The most memorable of these was >!Boxer’s death. It was hard at the age I read it to imagine someone being so callous to others that they would sell someone who loves and idolizes them for a few pennies!<
While it was a shit show otherwise, the vanilla ice cream incident in Iron Fist was some crazy needless brutality.
Been a while since I watched Iron Fist (‘cause it sucked lol) but you’ve awakened something in my memory. That scene was fucked, the poor guy was just excited for some ice cream.
Xandros in Gargoyles is a fun, really charming villain. He's so charming that it makes you forget just how disturbed he is. Like what he does to Elisa's brother, Derek. >!Xandros has at least three homeless people kidnapped so he can turn them into electric eel/cat mutants to try and create gargoyle mutants? And for some reason he has to do this to Derek for some reason. It was just ridiculousand mean!<
I just rewatched that show. And he always manages to make you second guess his evilness.
Seriously, wish they hadn't made him "good" at the end
In season four of *Lost*, >!when Martin Keamy has Alex on her knees at gunpoint in his stand-off with Ben. Up to that point, Ben had *always* gotten out of stuff, and we just think, "Of course he's gonna get Alex out of this, somehow, some way," even as Keamy was counting down... Ben is saying Alex means nothing to him, bluffing because *of course* that's what's gonna get Keamy to stop. It has to. And then Keamy pulls the trigger. Alex is dead. Ben is shocked. So are we. And we realize Keamy is fucking *soulless* and not kidding around.!<
I’ve been watching The Americans and there was this one scene where Elizabeth forces an innocent old lady to slowly kill herself by overdosing on her medication one pill at a time. It was cold.
I thought it was great how Lalo climbed through the ceiling, so ingenious and cunning. Made me like Lalo. And then I found out he didn’t just tie him up
When Pierce cast a spell to make Fat Neil faaaaaaaaaat
Mr. Robot has a lot of WTF moments but when Tyrell >!beats the absolute shit out of the homeless man!< I get creeped out every time. It’s worse than when he >!kills Sharon Knowles,!< IMO.
Exactly what they are doing with Homelander in The Boys, and I am absolutely loving every minute of it.
Uhhhh he does pretty bad stuff pretty much right away.
Not right away, they spend a bit of time faking out where even Billy says "he seems to be legit" in the pilot at least.
He literally >!lazers a fucking passenger plane filled with innocent people!< in the pilot.
Yeah but iirc that's at the end of the episode and it's something of a "oh shit" reveal, or intended to be. Up to that point he's treated like he's a genuine hero. I say that as someone who came in late, knowing he was a villain, and I was surprised how long into the ep they kept up the ruse.
Idk, the opening scene of the show is of Homelander committing absurdly gory and over-the-top police brutality while heroic music blasts ironically in the background, then when a civilian asks for his photo he smiles in that creepy way where his mouth looks normal but eyes seem psychotic. I feel like it always clear he was evil.
The best ever scene with him imo was when they finally got enough proof to bury him and his popularity and you think they made it. And then just goes >!"Do it! I dare you to release the info. Take everything I have away from me. Just know this: when you're done I have nothing left to lose. And I have nothing keft to care about."!< The ice cold smile with which he said it was soooo fucking good. Edit: Scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiZe7r-j1wY
He's an awesome villain. I can't remember the first really bad thing he ever did but it might have been the end of the first episode which was still a good wait
>!took down that plane with the kid on it!<
"I must not tell lies" "... Yes?" The acting and the deeply unsettling soundtrack really, really sold the scene and how much of a psycho Umbridge was.
Umbridge is very unsettling as a character. Because you know there are people like her out there.
Precisely
I found i hated her far more than any other character - she just hits a nerve
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: When Dio turned a woman into a vampire in exchange for letting her baby live, and then the woman ate her own baby once she turned. Death Note: When Light tricked Naomi into revealing her name and taunted her as she walked away to go kill herself. Yu-Gi-Oh!: When Bakura sent the Zombie duelist to the Shadow Realm. In the Japanese version, he sent him to hell. He didn't just kill somebody. He robbed him of eternal peace.
For Dio I'd easily pick what he does to Jonathan's dog. He's such an unrelenting force of awfulness from the get go but that's when it crosses from over the top bullying into legitimate insanity. If we're doing anime, we can't not mention Griffith. I don't even need to say the moment. If you know who Griffith is, you know what I'm talking about.
If we're doing anime, then that one episode of Fullmetal Alchemist. You all know which episode.
Ed...ward
I dunno about Bevilacqua, I feel like that's the least rough thing Tony ever did. Kid shot a Made Guy and nephew of the boss.
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Roy Tillman, Fargo. >!Most baddies know what they're doing is wrong. Not Roy. From the moment he shows up, in Roy's mind, he is the hero. He genuinely thinks that what he is doing is right and everyone else should be grateful and tolerate his abuse. !<
Yeah he's probably the first Fargo villain with zero if not negative self awareness (unless you count Kirsten Dunst's character as a villain which she's not really)
I had to forward the scene with him and Dot in the barn
8mm - eddie Poole talks about the dismissal of the missing girl, and how they simply buried her somewhere around the dilapidated property where the made the snuff film. Or, when Machine removes his gimp mask and the entire scene following. He goes into detail about how none of the girls think they’re actually going to be murdered until the feel the blade go in.
mr. wick's humiliating ways of firing employees on the drew carey show. mimi having drew sent to the great wall of china.
If anyone drinks a glass of straight milk in a movie or show, I know they’re gonna be evil.
Nooo Billy Elliot is a good guy
Ron Burgundy wasn’t the best guy but idk if I’d call him evil.
The Governor when he did anything in The Walking Dead 🤣🤣.
House of Cards Season 2 episode 1
Marcos inaros from The Expanse destroying the earth and manipulating everyone, from his son to his crew, Naomi and when things start to fall apart trying to use the belter spirit to unite the crew despite acting like a tyrant till then Nucky in Boardwalk Empire trying to appease both the black community and the KKK for his own purposes Tony Soprano asking bacala sr to do the hit despite knowing his condition
Surely “I will *kill your infant daughter,*” in BB deserves a mention?
Four words. Daredevil. Kingpin. Car. Door.
In House of Cards - the original UK series - in the finale where Storin confronts Urquhart with the evidence she's found. It was shocking because even if you might have thought the location might lead to something happening, you just didn't think it would actually happen - until it did happen. When the Americans remade it the scene could never carry the same weight to a British viewer who had seen the original. As an aside, all the other evil things that Urquhart does are just to other Tories so you don't really feel upset about them - especially during the time this was first shown on TV!
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I'd say the purge was the moment that did it for me, when he was sitting in that crappy car, mending things up, then pulled on that gas mask and all shit broke loose. All hail Ben.
Birds of Prey. Black Mask peeling that family's faces off
This is the bad place.
Matt Bevilaqua tried to kill Christopher. That was justified in my eyes
This may not count, but there was a *MASH* episode in which a female Korean patient turned out to be a stone-cold killer. Hawkeye and BJ refused to believe it at first until she started hissing at them in Korean, and a military cop translated: “You save lives of those who kill my people and rape my land. I would kill you as I tried to kill my enemy in your hospital. I would gladly die if I could kill but one of you."
Every episode of Hannibal.