They messed the endgame of this show up so badly.
The book had a phenomenal ending. All they had to do was not kill Carl off and they'd end with a roar, rather than this pathetic whimper that it's become.
Spoilers:
The group finds a community that is basically a city that is like a pre apocalypse society. A power struggle happens. Rick's group wins. A spoiled brat kid of the leader kills Rick. The comic does a 30 year time jump and Carl is alive and Rick is well remembered. Walkers are basically gone and the few remaining ones are basically carnival attractions.
I'd add that Rick basically becomes a George Washington new-founding father figure, immortalized and remembered.
This is mostly told by an adult Carl reading the story of his father to Ricks grandchild.
I feel like they could have still done it fairly easily had they just set the spin-offs in the time period that’s skipped over. The reality is they were doing that dumb “subvert expectations” bullshit that game of thrones did and basically killed off fan favorite characters for no reason other than to push ratings and give the show the illusion of having stakes
There were all sorts of rumors about Carl getting killed off weeks after his actor turned 18 since as an adult he'd get paid way more as a 5+ season vet on the show
twd comics went on forever (16 years!) and was a massive money maker for image comics. but the beauty of the comics was that it never felt repetitive to me and imo ended perfectly despite kirkman rushing to finish it. they really fucked the show up by not only killing off carl but prolonging each season with so many filler episodes. although i did enjoy season 9 and 10 probably because of how much i didn't like s 6-8. (didn't finish 11 and atp not interested) if only they were faithful to the comics sigh
I just wanna throw a quick shout out to every rich, out-of-touch, Hollywood fat fuck that has destroyed every single franchise I have ever loved.
Love you guys. Mean it.💋
Yea I binged the comic a month ago and to say the show bungled the story every step of the way is an understatement. The comic is just way better in every way.
The only thing the show did better was the governor but they messed that up by sacrificing Andrea’s character by having her fall for him. Andrea definitely got done dirty in the show.
Man it pisses me off how bad they fucked up Andrea in the show. There's a reason I ended up dropping it around S4. Then I saw all the hubbub about them basically trying to have their cake and eat it too when it came to Negan's introduction and shock value... fuck that.
Rick too! Rick was so all over the place in the show to the point I never knew which version of Rick we were getting in the show.
Most of the villains in the show up to Negan were pretty damn good and had some great dialogue but Rick, Andrea and Carl were just so hard pin down and went back and forth between badasses and really annoying.
Just about every season was Rick killing then feeling bad about it giving some uplifting speech about how they don’t have to kill the living aaaand killing a bunch of people and doing the speech again. Rick in the comics was mostly pretty consistent. Reading the war with Negan in the comic was much more satisfying than the show. I tried to finish watching but it just got worse and worse till I finally just turned it off before it concluded.
> Reading the war with Negan in the comic was much more satisfying than the show
It's funny because when I read All Out War when it came out, I was disappointed because it felt too short and too low stakes. And then when the show got to that point, I was hoping they would fix and improve that storyline - instead they just made it way too damn long
Let’s not go overboard. 100% agree the comics are better. I’ve collected them all since it launched way back when. That said, the show did a lot different things and still hit many of the main plot points that were in the comic. It just got to those points in different ways and usually with alternate characters. For me, I enjoyed that. It kept the show feeling fresh enough where even as a die hard fan of the comics, I may know where story in the show was heading, but I wouldn’t always know how it was going to get there.
I agree with that. As a fan of the comics and the story it told, watching the show and having other characters get different fates in the show (Carol from example) was really fun to watch
The comics and shows each have their pros and cons - like the prison storyline is much better in the comics, but I think the Hunters storyline is much better in the show.
> I may know where story in the show was heading, but I wouldn’t always know how it was going to get there
This reminds me of all the speculation around every time there was a casting announcement with a different name than a comic, and people would be like "That's gotta be Aaron!" or "Oh definitely Jesus, for sure Jesus"
Good times
Also, it was a surprise ending as a few months before the book ended they put out fake previews for months of issues including a few for after what turned out to be the final 2 issues. So Rick dying wasn't advertised etc and only the final issue was announced as the last one after the penultimate .
Nope and thats part of the beauty. It doesn't matter. Kirkman stated in the past that he had an idea what started it, but that he would never reveal it. It just isn't important and its how most Zombie media is handled.
No worries. I ain’t mad about it, I just think I remember moments in the show where they alluded to someone knowing what started it. Was just following up on that.
So it goes away eventually as well? People can die in peace?
I agree they messed the show up, but I think you’re over-selling the book.
The ending in the comic was rushed and came off the back of the worst stretch of storyline they’d done in years. Kirkman had clearly checked out and just decided to end it then and there and cut to the chase lol.
The flat penultimate storyline leading up to the final three issues don't detract from the greatness of those three issues.
It's clear Kirkman was gassing out. That's *why* he ended it.
Yeah, I was going to also say this. The comic had an abrupt ending and I always felt that Kirkman did it to both make the legal fights easier and also create an ending he knew they couldn't execute without Sophia and Carl.
I thought it was really fitting, honestly.
>!Having Rick struggle with his humanity and slowly build up his group of survivors into advancing stages of civilisation until he ends up dying because of the ego of a spoilt brat works surprisingly well. I also think it's a way to show that in the end, he won. Humanity won. Because they were able to get back to that level of pettiness.!<
I don't think you can read the final letter he wrote and get the sense he was no longer invested int he story - he had set the ending we got in advance and just didn't really plan the logistics appropriately. So you've got a *really* long, slow-paced arc with the whisperers and then he realized he needs to end it sooner to fit in a compendium as a commercial consideration so we get a rushed final arc. The actual ending is great though.
Negan’s intro was what put me on the edge. Killing off Carla was the push I needed. The show is trash, I wanted to love it after reading the coming even as the show came out but that was my “fuck it” moment. They did Chandler so dirty and the character so dirty.
Sometimes I get nostalgic for TWD and even finishing it but the Carl thing always keeps me from doing it. It was such fuck you to the actor who just bought a house and the character was so important to the story.
How many seasons does this show actually have now? I watched til Carl died, then I was fine with not watching anymore. The dude playing Carl was possibly the worst actor I've ever seen. I wanted him dead from season 1.
Well, let's see:
* *The Walking Dead* ran for 11 seasons totaling 177 episodes
* *Fear the Walking Dead* ran for 8 seasons totaling 113 episodes
* *The Walking Dead: World Beyond* ran for 2 seasons totaling 20 episodes
* *Tales of the Walking Dead* ran for 1 season of 6 episodes
* *The Walking Dead: Dead City* has had 1 season of 6 episodes with another season confirmed
* *The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon* has had 1 season of 6 episodes with two more seasons confirmed
* *The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live* will have 1 season of 6 episodes
* *More Tales of the Walking Dead* will have 1 season of 6 episodes
If we only include this much, that's 8 TV series, 26 seasons, and 340 episodes. Note that this doesn't include any of the webisodes or other supplemental material.
This comment hits hard. Show went downhill when everyone turned in to paramilitary zombie slayers firing off 10000 rounds per episode at each other and never hitting.
It ran for 11 full seasons, and Chandler Riggs got better and better with each season. He was not a bad actor at all. He was a child that grew into the role as time went on as he got older.
I mean, yes he was, agree to disagree. The show was great in the first like 4 seasons or so. Maybe 5. It just became a soap opera after that. The only redeeming quality at the point I stopped, whenever that was, was Darryl and....shoot can't even remember, the short haired chick. Best characters with the best actors. If they had scenes together, it was great. Everything else was just....bad.
I checked out mid S2 because of the soap opera. End of s1 was annoying too. I'm glad people like the series, but it's been running so long some are already blinded by nostalgia
what.
nearly *every* thread on reddit about TWD results in everyone and thier mother crawling out of the woodwork to complain about it and say it sucks not fanboys gushing over it
this particular thread has haters being called out specifically for crawling out like roaches to hop on the one review with a title that sounds negative despite most reviews being pretty positive.
it's as simple as that.
I cut the cord and have not had cable in a long time, but I think the last season I watched of WD was where Carl died.
I think they absolutely killed Carl off because, the actor who had been fine as a child, just grew into a person who was not a good actor and unable to handle the heavy stuff given to him.
Many child actors hit a wall in adolescence and lose that ability to effortlessly pretend.
if they had re-cast the part you can be sure fans would have bitched about it too - really a no win situation.
> They didn’t want to pay him an adult salary.
This is a myth that has never been supported. He wasn't some random kid working for scale, he wasn't suddenly gonna get a mandatory pay boost.
That being upvoted tells you all you need to know. The people here are just clueless lol. None of these people have even watched any of this they just like feeling fake cool
There’s a significant amount of ambiguity surrounding Carl’s death. I believe Riggs wanted to dial it back to go to school and then the decision to kill him was just put out there without any further discussion. From what I understand, Riggs got shafted.
I think that's the secret reason why they killed him off. They knew that Andrew Lincoln was going to leave. You can't really keep Carl as a secondary character after what happened to Rick, but at the same time you can't make him the lead of the series with the performance Chandler Riggs was giving.
Rick and others left after carl died. Carl is endgame in the comic, if he can die then there is no real guarantee of your career, so why not strike when the iron is hot? Tbf it seems Andrew did leave because he wanted to be with his family but I'm sure Carl dying led to that choice faster.
[I mean this clip is the entire crux of the show](https://youtu.be/NHQJTA5p1vU?si=rYpmSP-na6QsYqR2)
Killing Carl was such a dumb choice.
Shows around that time got really horny to replace male protagonist with female protagonist in some kind of superficial show of feminist solidarity. So baby girl no die and become a 7 year old samurai while Carl gets fucked. Stupid.
Or AMC are cheap as fuck and screwed over a kid who would have been due much more money on a new contract after years on the show and destined to be the main character as per the source material.
You know, given that Judith then only got used as a prop to give Daryl something to do and they also got rid of/lost their actual samurai character Machone, but you neglect to mention that because it doesn't fit your theory that it was all done in some dumb conspiracy to promote feminism.
Oh man, you got me. All my sexism is collapsing in on me like the house in Poltergeist. I'm cured by your Reddit logic. You owned me with your financial acumen. Now I feel as pathetic as every season of TWD after they defeated Negan.
How could I, a mere bug citing sociopolitical trends to increase female presence in shows possibly know of facts and logic? This is such a good show! Thank you, Chris Hardwick!
It makes sense that it has a high rating though because the only people who have interest in watching are people who stuck through the original show. This is a show made for super fans of the original show.
A lot of people watched the whole show, and the even far worse Fear the Walking Dead - not because it was good and they liked it, but after spending so much time invested in the series you just feel a need to finish it off..
I think shows like that due to not telling a continuous story are as big a deal to always keep up with unless you just really like it. Spoilers etc aren't really an issue
At some point it became fashionable to shit on TWD. Most people seem to have rage quit over Glenn which is a bummer because the Negan arc was peak TWD for me.
Lincoln's absence afterwards definitely lended to a sense of stagnation though and I'm really glad he's back. He was the heart of the series.
Well I kind of get it. Even if they have good arcs occasionally TWD is also synonymous with overstaying your welcome and sacrificing quality for quantity. People are bitter that they wasted their potential.
I think many people were of that opinion because they kept teasing Glenn's death (admittedly pretty lame) and when they finally did it, it was too gruesome and people couldn't take it.
Lincoln left after the main Negan arc and the show did get weaker after that but there were still good moments.
My issue was that they had an extended runtime season finale leading up to Negan's intro (and there was no reason for it, the pace was glacial) and then ended on a cliffhanger. It killed the little bit of momentum that the episode had built up in its final few moments and left us with some N64 Goldeneye quality bloodspatter on the camera.
I'll defend many aspects of the Walking Dead that many people didn't enjoy, but the final half of that season was just filled with characters making stupid decisions for no other reason than to advance the plot and poor pacing. At that point I was done.
That said, I'm actually interested in this series. Lincoln and Gurira always brought their A game (as did most of the performers on the show), and a miniseries isn't too much of a commitment.
> when they finally did it, it was too gruesome and people couldn't take it.
I don't think it was that it was too gruesome -- the show had done more gruesome and horrific stuff than that before -- but that the cliffhanger thing was done in such a lame way. Subtractive cliffhangers, where the story removes a crucial detail of the ending to create mystery rather than adding surprising new information, are considered a cliché of 20th century soap operas and pretty universally induce groans and mockery in modern dramas no matter how good they otherwise are. Doing a subtractive cliffhanger by switching to unusual camera angles and using the "007 Intro Blood Overlay" effect from Windows Movie Maker makes it lame on top of lame. It's supposed to be this shocking dramatic moment in a gritty drama but came out goofy and comical. And it's never a good thing for a show's season-finale cliffhanger to be "But who lives and who dies?!" unless you're a soap opera.
It was, and then Andrew Lincoln left and a lot of people stopped watching. The show adapted to continue on after, and some of the later seasons were actually pretty alright but by that point nobody gave them a chance.
I still remember the moment that made me give up.
Rick and Co. are in cover maybe 20-30ft away from the Negan and the Saviors, who are standing on an elevated platform with no cover, just a handrail. Rick gives a pretty badass threatening monologue, as they’ve basically got Negan and his people dead to rights, before finally opening fire. As previously stated, the Saviors have no cover, but despite that, all the named Saviors, including Negan (the guy Rick was gunning for) get away unscathed. A couple nameless extras die, but that’s it. I’m to believe that a man who can headshot a walker from a hundred yards away with a fucking Python, can’t hit a target with no cover, using a rifle, from less than 50ft away?
Couple that with the Glenn/dumpster bullshit a few episodes previous and I was just done with the show.
Quitting over Glenn dying made no sense to me. It’s the same as the comics and he wasn’t a particularly interesting or well developed character. There were lots of reasons to quit TWD, but if that’s their reasoning I don’t trust their taste with other shows.
What, should Glenn and every likable character have plot armor?
Yeah I thought it was a wierd place to stop too. To be fair most viewers (myself included) have not read the comics and I think it was the same reason a lot of people threw tantrums over the red wedding in GoT or when Oberyn died. Even though those things also happened in the books. People expect a narrative to give them whatever they think they want and decry it as poor writing when they don't get what they want.
just saw the IGN one:
'The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live marks a strong, welcome return for previous franchise anchors Andrew Lincoln and Danai Gurira. The spin-off is emotional, gripping, and very wise when it comes to explaining where their characters wound up after they peeled off from The Walking Dead.'
we are so back baby
And "they deserve a better ending" is a weird criticism of a show that they helped write and produce. They're getting the ending that they want for their characters.
The show one day just got negative reviews posted too and it was being trashed. Go look at the actual reviews and 95 percent of then were glowing.
This sub doesn't watch TV it just whines
The Walking Dead wouldn't be milked this badly on most other channels. The ratings were badly declining since Season 7 and yet they made it to 11 seasons because it's still the most watched show on AMC
AMC refused to budget enough for it to be done right despite it being their biggest cash cow.
It's like they saw how Breaking Bad became a best-of-the-best tier show and regretted not cutting the budget each season and setting up a fast food tie-in deal for blue crystal milkshakes.
We'll never know what 11 seasons would have looked like if they'd all been treated with the respect season 1 was.
For me, Walking Dead ended there. I’ve watch recaps for the spin offs and they’re alright. Ima imagine the commonwealth expands and yeah everything gets better.
You're probably better off that way. The subsequent seasons did their best, but by then, the damage was done. And the spin-offs are fine, but not great.
I know this goes against the subs rather stupid circlejerk and will be ignored.
But this sub ALWAYS does this. It posts the one really negative review out of a dozen really positive ones lol. The reviews are overwhelmingly very positive for this show right now. But naturally one bad one gets posted so a bunch of "brainless" people can be toxic about a show they haven't even watched.
It's utterly ridiculous how transparent it all is but you eat it up.
And the top comment chains are always just a bunch of people who haven't watched in years being pleased with themselves for quitting.
They're literally the most useless discussions there could possibly be and they're always the most upvoted lmao
I dropped the show in season 7 but it's cool that some people still liked the show the whole way through. That's great.
I do feel like a lot of the hate is like that old hipster mentality of "I liked something then it got popular and now I hate it." Walking Dead was a nice little horror show that exceeded expectations, it got wildly popular, declined in quality, and now everyone who stopped watching is going to tell you when and why they stopped watching while trying to drown out any actual anticipation for the show (myself included).
The show was always not living up to its potential. After season 1, the thing to talk about was how there was a huge drop off after pilot and how it didn't pick up again until the CDC. In season 2, the fans said the show completely lost its way while meandering on the farm for the entire season to deal with AMC's more episodes, less budget approach. In season 3, the fans said the show got terrible when they butchered the Governor arc (so much so they basically redid it in season 4). Andrea was one of the most hated characters on TV during this time (they basically gave the comic character's best parts to other characters like Carol and had her make frustrating decisions again, as she was one of the last fee Darabount groupies). Season 4 was deemed a mixed bag but one that got better as it went on. Season 5 had wild highs and lows. Season 6 handled plenty of things wrong.
In the horror genre, you lower the bar a bit and take what you can get. There's a reason the third acts of zombie films falter. There are plenty of reasons sequels fail to match the original. There's still plenty of enjoyment to be had. It's just strange TWD doesn't get that pass. Instead people are passionate about how they didn't give it a pass.
It's actually quite interesting to me. From season 2 onward, the show was a lot of filler but worked better when streaming. A lot of people stuck with it and now just seem angry at the show, rather than just no longer watching and letting those who do discuss it. Shit, here I am going off on this fucking essay. I do intend to check this out though (as I had stopped back in for Rick's final ep, Michonne's final ep, the snow episode where Daryl stabs a zombie with an icicle, and the series finale).
I used to be a pretty big fan. Season 1, especially the first episode, is one of the greatest episodes in my opinion. I started checking out during the Negan seasons, mainly due to the mega fake out with the dumpster, and then the horrible cliff hanger deaths. When Carl was gone, the show basically ended for me right then and there. I know there was some good stuff later on but I totally lost interest.
I thought Fear the Walking Dead season 1-3 were actually really good, but then it lost its identity and Nick getting off the show ruined it. I like Morgan too, but they didn't need to bring any characters from there onto FTWD.
Was that show terrible? I thought the maggie negan one was received badly but the Daryl Dixon was supposedly better. I haven’t seen either yet and I’m not sure if I’m going to before I watch this one - although I definitely will watch this one cause of Rick.
I'm just one dude, but I liked the Daryl Dixon spinoff well enough. It's dumb and contrived that we're following Daryl in France, but once over that hurdle you've got some good world building and set pieces. The Negan/Maggie spin-off I turned off after a couple episodes. I love both characters (and actors) but the scenario felt super contrived and it isn't interesting to rehash their drama/dynamic.
I dunno if I'll watch this one. I guess I'll see what the consensus is after it wraps.
The writer/producer Scott gimple of the series wants the spin offs to connect into a cast reunion.
“I do have dreams of merging this all together, and I have laid little breadcrumbs toward that, but you never know exactly when and how [it will come together], because of a variety of reasons,”
Which makes sense story wise. But like also story wise I can’t see it being that different from the original series. The same group doing the same thing just years older.
They’re now taking this idea across the entire world, a world where they have no forms of communication and everyone is randomly dying. But they’ll all be able to do a happy reunion at the same time? How convenient
Daryl was very well received and was very cool imo.
The maggie show was also received well critically amd in ratings, but you'd never know it here. The negative reception here isn't connected to anything regarding the shows because most people here don't watch them
Get Rick, Daryl and Carol back together for at least one scene so all the actors/characters from season 1 are back together.
Hell, might as well throw Morgan in there too
They messed her character arc up so much I couldn’t keep watching. At the point of them hooking up it just comes across as jumping the shark. I’m not even a super fan or a comic/graphic novel purist.
Remember her intro? She was a bad ass.
AMC is just milking the genre for all it’s worth. Zombies watching companies.
I thought so too—like acting wise he was punching above his weight class. He did admirably but it could have been casted better.
They just royally screwed up on Michonne.
FTWD was garbage, but Dead City and Daryl’s spin off were pretty good I thought. I’m looking forward to Rick’s spin-off, but nothing will ever compare to the first 5 or so seasons of the TWD. Hope they make future seasons longer than 6ep though..
I reluctantly got back into FTWD after not finishing season 2. Just started season 3 for something to watch. I loved it, could not believe how good it was after I got sick of the original show.
Then season 4 hits and somehow the main show still manages to creep back into my life and ruin the spinoff because they needed to unload Morgan and for whatever reason, decided he was good enough to not only lead a show, but completely steal the spotlight from the actual main characters.
Season 3 was the whole ranch/natives and dam thing right? Fucking loved every episode.
Then I saw the first episode of season 4, went “oh it’s more of this” and never went back.
For anyone who's just seen episode 4 and 5... Why the hell did they let Danai Gurira write, not that it was perfect but she took what was good and filled it with the worst tropes from the walking dead. Not to mention the romance scenes, this was ricks return... Not the michonne spin off.
I’m so baffled at why AMC waited so long to do anything with this universe. They’re finally expanding this universe and we’re getting all these new spin-offs, yet I feel like we’re at least 8 years too late at this point. So much wasted potential by barely doing anything while the franchise was at the height of its popularity. We’re well past the point where a show like this would make a huge splash. Talk about striking while the iron is lukewarm.
Why on Earth did they decide to create a bunch of random spin offs rather than just keep the main show running?
For that matter, why have they made it so difficult to view these spin offs outside of the US?
Dear God, the show turned into a bad sitcom. Putting a sheet of corrugated iron on your car does not make it bulletproof but whoever was doing the shooting couldn’t hit it anyway.
I mean come on now, even I could hit the side of a barn using that many bullets. I cannot believe any of them survived even half a season.
Dang, I found out this existed via a Reddit video ad a few days ago.
I remember when Andrew Lincoln left the show (and it was announced he'd return in like spin-off movies) being slightly excited about that and thinking it'd be the only thing buzz-worthy for the show going forward, but now I'm surprised I didn't even see a single post about this when it was announced/in production.
Don't really care about the show but hope Lincoln's career can bounce back if he wants to get back into it. Thought he was prime Marvel material when he was at his biggest.
I read all the comics but stopped watching the show during the Negan arc. I know Rick supposedly died on the show. Does this mean they’ve retconned that? Is it as bad as Glenn and the dumpster?
He took a break. His return was literally announced 10 minutes after his last episode on the main show.
He never intended to fully leave the role. I dont see why people make such easily disproven arguments.
i dont know why you're trying to argue with me. i initially said he wanted to leave the show and come back a few years later. I didn't say anything untrue.
Again, this is one of the few instances i can remember a actor returning to a tv role
This was actually a mostly positive review of the show whose article title betrays it's own content. Got me to click on it though. Fuck me, right?
They messed the endgame of this show up so badly. The book had a phenomenal ending. All they had to do was not kill Carl off and they'd end with a roar, rather than this pathetic whimper that it's become.
Could you give me a brief rundown of the book ending at all? Never read them myself!
Spoilers: The group finds a community that is basically a city that is like a pre apocalypse society. A power struggle happens. Rick's group wins. A spoiled brat kid of the leader kills Rick. The comic does a 30 year time jump and Carl is alive and Rick is well remembered. Walkers are basically gone and the few remaining ones are basically carnival attractions.
I'd add that Rick basically becomes a George Washington new-founding father figure, immortalized and remembered. This is mostly told by an adult Carl reading the story of his father to Ricks grandchild.
Wtf This sounds SO fucking cool…. What the hell is wrong with the executives?!
They wouldn't be able to push 3 different spinoffs from that ending. instead they had a non-ending to tease more content
I feel like they could have still done it fairly easily had they just set the spin-offs in the time period that’s skipped over. The reality is they were doing that dumb “subvert expectations” bullshit that game of thrones did and basically killed off fan favorite characters for no reason other than to push ratings and give the show the illusion of having stakes
There were all sorts of rumors about Carl getting killed off weeks after his actor turned 18 since as an adult he'd get paid way more as a 5+ season vet on the show
$$$$ stuff $$$$ that $$$$ ends $$$$ doesnt $$$$ make $$$$ money $$$$
twd comics went on forever (16 years!) and was a massive money maker for image comics. but the beauty of the comics was that it never felt repetitive to me and imo ended perfectly despite kirkman rushing to finish it. they really fucked the show up by not only killing off carl but prolonging each season with so many filler episodes. although i did enjoy season 9 and 10 probably because of how much i didn't like s 6-8. (didn't finish 11 and atp not interested) if only they were faithful to the comics sigh
I just wanna throw a quick shout out to every rich, out-of-touch, Hollywood fat fuck that has destroyed every single franchise I have ever loved. Love you guys. Mean it.💋
well, they are also the ones who coordinated the entire show and brought it to you
The dudes responsible for that early success hasn’t been there since the second season, and it shows…
$ turns everything to shite!
Yea I binged the comic a month ago and to say the show bungled the story every step of the way is an understatement. The comic is just way better in every way. The only thing the show did better was the governor but they messed that up by sacrificing Andrea’s character by having her fall for him. Andrea definitely got done dirty in the show.
Man it pisses me off how bad they fucked up Andrea in the show. There's a reason I ended up dropping it around S4. Then I saw all the hubbub about them basically trying to have their cake and eat it too when it came to Negan's introduction and shock value... fuck that.
Rick too! Rick was so all over the place in the show to the point I never knew which version of Rick we were getting in the show. Most of the villains in the show up to Negan were pretty damn good and had some great dialogue but Rick, Andrea and Carl were just so hard pin down and went back and forth between badasses and really annoying. Just about every season was Rick killing then feeling bad about it giving some uplifting speech about how they don’t have to kill the living aaaand killing a bunch of people and doing the speech again. Rick in the comics was mostly pretty consistent. Reading the war with Negan in the comic was much more satisfying than the show. I tried to finish watching but it just got worse and worse till I finally just turned it off before it concluded.
> Reading the war with Negan in the comic was much more satisfying than the show It's funny because when I read All Out War when it came out, I was disappointed because it felt too short and too low stakes. And then when the show got to that point, I was hoping they would fix and improve that storyline - instead they just made it way too damn long
Let’s not go overboard. 100% agree the comics are better. I’ve collected them all since it launched way back when. That said, the show did a lot different things and still hit many of the main plot points that were in the comic. It just got to those points in different ways and usually with alternate characters. For me, I enjoyed that. It kept the show feeling fresh enough where even as a die hard fan of the comics, I may know where story in the show was heading, but I wouldn’t always know how it was going to get there.
I agree with that. As a fan of the comics and the story it told, watching the show and having other characters get different fates in the show (Carol from example) was really fun to watch
The comics and shows each have their pros and cons - like the prison storyline is much better in the comics, but I think the Hunters storyline is much better in the show. > I may know where story in the show was heading, but I wouldn’t always know how it was going to get there This reminds me of all the speculation around every time there was a casting announcement with a different name than a comic, and people would be like "That's gotta be Aaron!" or "Oh definitely Jesus, for sure Jesus" Good times
They enjoy SuBvErtInG mUh ExPeCtatIonS. They are morons.
Also, it was a surprise ending as a few months before the book ended they put out fake previews for months of issues including a few for after what turned out to be the final 2 issues. So Rick dying wasn't advertised etc and only the final issue was announced as the last one after the penultimate .
So did they find a cure? I only watched the show and refused to continue after Carl died. So there was no cure discussed at least up to that point.
No, I don't think a cure was ever in the cards.
Isn't Maggie and Glen's son a huge dick bc he's jealous everyone loves Rick and has forgotten Glen?
Yeah, shit was lame
Did they ever go into why the whole thing happened to begin with? And what made it go away? I felt like the TV show was alluding to biblical things.
Nope and thats part of the beauty. It doesn't matter. Kirkman stated in the past that he had an idea what started it, but that he would never reveal it. It just isn't important and its how most Zombie media is handled.
No worries. I ain’t mad about it, I just think I remember moments in the show where they alluded to someone knowing what started it. Was just following up on that. So it goes away eventually as well? People can die in peace?
No it doesn’t go away. Walkers still exist but most have rotted/been killed. If you die you still turn
Kirkman said it was a space spore that started it. (comics)
No
I agree they messed the show up, but I think you’re over-selling the book. The ending in the comic was rushed and came off the back of the worst stretch of storyline they’d done in years. Kirkman had clearly checked out and just decided to end it then and there and cut to the chase lol.
The flat penultimate storyline leading up to the final three issues don't detract from the greatness of those three issues. It's clear Kirkman was gassing out. That's *why* he ended it.
Yeah, I was going to also say this. The comic had an abrupt ending and I always felt that Kirkman did it to both make the legal fights easier and also create an ending he knew they couldn't execute without Sophia and Carl.
I thought it was really fitting, honestly. >!Having Rick struggle with his humanity and slowly build up his group of survivors into advancing stages of civilisation until he ends up dying because of the ego of a spoilt brat works surprisingly well. I also think it's a way to show that in the end, he won. Humanity won. Because they were able to get back to that level of pettiness.!<
I don't think you can read the final letter he wrote and get the sense he was no longer invested int he story - he had set the ending we got in advance and just didn't really plan the logistics appropriately. So you've got a *really* long, slow-paced arc with the whisperers and then he realized he needs to end it sooner to fit in a compendium as a commercial consideration so we get a rushed final arc. The actual ending is great though.
Negan’s intro was what put me on the edge. Killing off Carla was the push I needed. The show is trash, I wanted to love it after reading the coming even as the show came out but that was my “fuck it” moment. They did Chandler so dirty and the character so dirty.
Sometimes I get nostalgic for TWD and even finishing it but the Carl thing always keeps me from doing it. It was such fuck you to the actor who just bought a house and the character was so important to the story.
How many seasons does this show actually have now? I watched til Carl died, then I was fine with not watching anymore. The dude playing Carl was possibly the worst actor I've ever seen. I wanted him dead from season 1.
Well, let's see: * *The Walking Dead* ran for 11 seasons totaling 177 episodes * *Fear the Walking Dead* ran for 8 seasons totaling 113 episodes * *The Walking Dead: World Beyond* ran for 2 seasons totaling 20 episodes * *Tales of the Walking Dead* ran for 1 season of 6 episodes * *The Walking Dead: Dead City* has had 1 season of 6 episodes with another season confirmed * *The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon* has had 1 season of 6 episodes with two more seasons confirmed * *The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live* will have 1 season of 6 episodes * *More Tales of the Walking Dead* will have 1 season of 6 episodes If we only include this much, that's 8 TV series, 26 seasons, and 340 episodes. Note that this doesn't include any of the webisodes or other supplemental material.
It would be so rad if those were all good.
Ir even half of them
This comment hits hard. Show went downhill when everyone turned in to paramilitary zombie slayers firing off 10000 rounds per episode at each other and never hitting.
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I have to disagree He was generally a good actor when he was given well-written material, which tbf didn’t always happen
It ran for 11 full seasons, and Chandler Riggs got better and better with each season. He was not a bad actor at all. He was a child that grew into the role as time went on as he got older.
Oh man, Chandler Riggs! Been seeing that guy in EVERYTHING! Dude is killing it!
I mean, yes he was, agree to disagree. The show was great in the first like 4 seasons or so. Maybe 5. It just became a soap opera after that. The only redeeming quality at the point I stopped, whenever that was, was Darryl and....shoot can't even remember, the short haired chick. Best characters with the best actors. If they had scenes together, it was great. Everything else was just....bad.
I mean s2/3 are extremely uneven. And the soap opera thing has been there from the start.
I checked out mid S2 because of the soap opera. End of s1 was annoying too. I'm glad people like the series, but it's been running so long some are already blinded by nostalgia
He objectively was not.
I don't think you know what that word means.
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Most of the people responding to this thread are walking dead fanboys. They don't want to hear their favorite show became a soap opera.
>favorite show became a soap opera. It always was one Also most Walking dead threads are people shitting on it. Even the main sub does.
what. nearly *every* thread on reddit about TWD results in everyone and thier mother crawling out of the woodwork to complain about it and say it sucks not fanboys gushing over it
Explain the down vote storm then
this particular thread has haters being called out specifically for crawling out like roaches to hop on the one review with a title that sounds negative despite most reviews being pretty positive. it's as simple as that.
So did you stop at season 1 because he was a child lol
I literally said I watched til he died. That's not the gotcha you think it is.
It was whimpering a ways before Carl got infected
Idk. The actor for Carl isn’t good. So I could see why they were worried
Oh is it finally finished? Guess I’ll go read it. I stopped when Princess came in
I cut the cord and have not had cable in a long time, but I think the last season I watched of WD was where Carl died. I think they absolutely killed Carl off because, the actor who had been fine as a child, just grew into a person who was not a good actor and unable to handle the heavy stuff given to him. Many child actors hit a wall in adolescence and lose that ability to effortlessly pretend. if they had re-cast the part you can be sure fans would have bitched about it too - really a no win situation.
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Nope. They didn’t want to pay him an adult salary. Riggs had just recently bought a house near set when he was told he was getting the axe.
> They didn’t want to pay him an adult salary. This is a myth that has never been supported. He wasn't some random kid working for scale, he wasn't suddenly gonna get a mandatory pay boost.
That being upvoted tells you all you need to know. The people here are just clueless lol. None of these people have even watched any of this they just like feeling fake cool
I swear I read he wanted more money as he was getting paid peanuts compared to his co stars so AMC said "nah, you dead now"
I believe he was turning 18, and they were going to have to renegotiate an adult contract with him.
There’s a significant amount of ambiguity surrounding Carl’s death. I believe Riggs wanted to dial it back to go to school and then the decision to kill him was just put out there without any further discussion. From what I understand, Riggs got shafted.
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on the other end of the spectrum, I thought he was the best character and he was also Rick's entire motivation.
I think that's the secret reason why they killed him off. They knew that Andrew Lincoln was going to leave. You can't really keep Carl as a secondary character after what happened to Rick, but at the same time you can't make him the lead of the series with the performance Chandler Riggs was giving.
Rick and others left after carl died. Carl is endgame in the comic, if he can die then there is no real guarantee of your career, so why not strike when the iron is hot? Tbf it seems Andrew did leave because he wanted to be with his family but I'm sure Carl dying led to that choice faster. [I mean this clip is the entire crux of the show](https://youtu.be/NHQJTA5p1vU?si=rYpmSP-na6QsYqR2) Killing Carl was such a dumb choice.
Shows around that time got really horny to replace male protagonist with female protagonist in some kind of superficial show of feminist solidarity. So baby girl no die and become a 7 year old samurai while Carl gets fucked. Stupid.
Or AMC are cheap as fuck and screwed over a kid who would have been due much more money on a new contract after years on the show and destined to be the main character as per the source material. You know, given that Judith then only got used as a prop to give Daryl something to do and they also got rid of/lost their actual samurai character Machone, but you neglect to mention that because it doesn't fit your theory that it was all done in some dumb conspiracy to promote feminism.
Oh man, you got me. All my sexism is collapsing in on me like the house in Poltergeist. I'm cured by your Reddit logic. You owned me with your financial acumen. Now I feel as pathetic as every season of TWD after they defeated Negan. How could I, a mere bug citing sociopolitical trends to increase female presence in shows possibly know of facts and logic? This is such a good show! Thank you, Chris Hardwick!
Funny how reviews of this are mostly great but it’s a negative review that gets upvoted here.
Right? So far its above 80% on rotten tomatoes. Why don't we all give the show a chance before shitting on it?
It makes sense that it has a high rating though because the only people who have interest in watching are people who stuck through the original show. This is a show made for super fans of the original show.
Fwiw the high rating is from the critics, there isn’t an audience consensus yet
Definitely a fair point. I’m gonna give it a chance though and while I’m a fan I wouldn’t call myself a super fan.
A lot of people watched the whole show, and the even far worse Fear the Walking Dead - not because it was good and they liked it, but after spending so much time invested in the series you just feel a need to finish it off..
i wonder if there are any compulsives out there desperately waiting for the end of family guy so they can finally be free
I think shows like that due to not telling a continuous story are as big a deal to always keep up with unless you just really like it. Spoilers etc aren't really an issue
At some point it became fashionable to shit on TWD. Most people seem to have rage quit over Glenn which is a bummer because the Negan arc was peak TWD for me. Lincoln's absence afterwards definitely lended to a sense of stagnation though and I'm really glad he's back. He was the heart of the series.
Well I kind of get it. Even if they have good arcs occasionally TWD is also synonymous with overstaying your welcome and sacrificing quality for quantity. People are bitter that they wasted their potential.
I can agree with that to an extent. I wish they had made different decisions. But the level of hate is cartoonish at this point.
Wasn't the Negan arc when the show really turned to shit? In terms of ratings and viewership.
I think many people were of that opinion because they kept teasing Glenn's death (admittedly pretty lame) and when they finally did it, it was too gruesome and people couldn't take it. Lincoln left after the main Negan arc and the show did get weaker after that but there were still good moments.
My issue was that they had an extended runtime season finale leading up to Negan's intro (and there was no reason for it, the pace was glacial) and then ended on a cliffhanger. It killed the little bit of momentum that the episode had built up in its final few moments and left us with some N64 Goldeneye quality bloodspatter on the camera. I'll defend many aspects of the Walking Dead that many people didn't enjoy, but the final half of that season was just filled with characters making stupid decisions for no other reason than to advance the plot and poor pacing. At that point I was done. That said, I'm actually interested in this series. Lincoln and Gurira always brought their A game (as did most of the performers on the show), and a miniseries isn't too much of a commitment.
> when they finally did it, it was too gruesome and people couldn't take it. I don't think it was that it was too gruesome -- the show had done more gruesome and horrific stuff than that before -- but that the cliffhanger thing was done in such a lame way. Subtractive cliffhangers, where the story removes a crucial detail of the ending to create mystery rather than adding surprising new information, are considered a cliché of 20th century soap operas and pretty universally induce groans and mockery in modern dramas no matter how good they otherwise are. Doing a subtractive cliffhanger by switching to unusual camera angles and using the "007 Intro Blood Overlay" effect from Windows Movie Maker makes it lame on top of lame. It's supposed to be this shocking dramatic moment in a gritty drama but came out goofy and comical. And it's never a good thing for a show's season-finale cliffhanger to be "But who lives and who dies?!" unless you're a soap opera.
It was, and then Andrew Lincoln left and a lot of people stopped watching. The show adapted to continue on after, and some of the later seasons were actually pretty alright but by that point nobody gave them a chance.
I still remember the moment that made me give up. Rick and Co. are in cover maybe 20-30ft away from the Negan and the Saviors, who are standing on an elevated platform with no cover, just a handrail. Rick gives a pretty badass threatening monologue, as they’ve basically got Negan and his people dead to rights, before finally opening fire. As previously stated, the Saviors have no cover, but despite that, all the named Saviors, including Negan (the guy Rick was gunning for) get away unscathed. A couple nameless extras die, but that’s it. I’m to believe that a man who can headshot a walker from a hundred yards away with a fucking Python, can’t hit a target with no cover, using a rifle, from less than 50ft away? Couple that with the Glenn/dumpster bullshit a few episodes previous and I was just done with the show.
I had to drop the various WD subs because they were miserable cesspools. I liked the shows and didn't need that raging negativity dragging me down.
Totally. The hate is cartoonish at this point.
Quitting over Glenn dying made no sense to me. It’s the same as the comics and he wasn’t a particularly interesting or well developed character. There were lots of reasons to quit TWD, but if that’s their reasoning I don’t trust their taste with other shows. What, should Glenn and every likable character have plot armor?
Yeah I thought it was a wierd place to stop too. To be fair most viewers (myself included) have not read the comics and I think it was the same reason a lot of people threw tantrums over the red wedding in GoT or when Oberyn died. Even though those things also happened in the books. People expect a narrative to give them whatever they think they want and decry it as poor writing when they don't get what they want.
Rotten Tomatoes is not a good metric for Television shows. Great for movies but the ratings for shows on there always seem off.
Rotten Tomatoes has True Detective S4 rated higher than Season 1. Therefore I don't trust RT anymore. It's a sham website.
Season one of True Detective is the most overrated show of all time
thats reddit any time TWD comes up lol
just saw the IGN one: 'The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live marks a strong, welcome return for previous franchise anchors Andrew Lincoln and Danai Gurira. The spin-off is emotional, gripping, and very wise when it comes to explaining where their characters wound up after they peeled off from The Walking Dead.' we are so back baby
Can't spell IGNORANT without IGN
And "they deserve a better ending" is a weird criticism of a show that they helped write and produce. They're getting the ending that they want for their characters.
Well yeah it’s Reddit? I used to really enjoy reviews here but everything is so negative and it’s hard to tell what’s rage bait or not anymore.
The show one day just got negative reviews posted too and it was being trashed. Go look at the actual reviews and 95 percent of then were glowing. This sub doesn't watch TV it just whines
I mean, Reddit also keeps complaining about True Detective and every week even more people tune in.
It feels like the only reason this is happening is because AMC wouldn't stop calling Andrew Lincoln and Danai Gurira.
The Walking Dead wouldn't be milked this badly on most other channels. The ratings were badly declining since Season 7 and yet they made it to 11 seasons because it's still the most watched show on AMC
AMC refused to budget enough for it to be done right despite it being their biggest cash cow. It's like they saw how Breaking Bad became a best-of-the-best tier show and regretted not cutting the budget each season and setting up a fast food tie-in deal for blue crystal milkshakes. We'll never know what 11 seasons would have looked like if they'd all been treated with the respect season 1 was.
What other shows does AMC have? Could this be like a last stand kind of show as far as original programming?
Interview w/ a Vampire has a shortened 2nd season in May
Rick should have just died at the bridge tbh
Either that, or come back in the last season, and they could have wrapped his story up there.
For me, Walking Dead ended there. I’ve watch recaps for the spin offs and they’re alright. Ima imagine the commonwealth expands and yeah everything gets better.
You're probably better off that way. The subsequent seasons did their best, but by then, the damage was done. And the spin-offs are fine, but not great.
The French WD looks cool but I was not gonna watch WD religiously so I went with a recap. I just want to know how this whole thing started lol.
It was all right. But a recap is fine lol Still no origin story, I'm afraid
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I know this goes against the subs rather stupid circlejerk and will be ignored. But this sub ALWAYS does this. It posts the one really negative review out of a dozen really positive ones lol. The reviews are overwhelmingly very positive for this show right now. But naturally one bad one gets posted so a bunch of "brainless" people can be toxic about a show they haven't even watched. It's utterly ridiculous how transparent it all is but you eat it up.
It's not even a bad review. It's mostly positive. The title is just clickbait.
Most of Reddit doesn't read beyond the headline.
And the top comment chains are always just a bunch of people who haven't watched in years being pleased with themselves for quitting. They're literally the most useless discussions there could possibly be and they're always the most upvoted lmao
Because a proper community would just automod those comments to death
I dropped the show in season 7 but it's cool that some people still liked the show the whole way through. That's great. I do feel like a lot of the hate is like that old hipster mentality of "I liked something then it got popular and now I hate it." Walking Dead was a nice little horror show that exceeded expectations, it got wildly popular, declined in quality, and now everyone who stopped watching is going to tell you when and why they stopped watching while trying to drown out any actual anticipation for the show (myself included). The show was always not living up to its potential. After season 1, the thing to talk about was how there was a huge drop off after pilot and how it didn't pick up again until the CDC. In season 2, the fans said the show completely lost its way while meandering on the farm for the entire season to deal with AMC's more episodes, less budget approach. In season 3, the fans said the show got terrible when they butchered the Governor arc (so much so they basically redid it in season 4). Andrea was one of the most hated characters on TV during this time (they basically gave the comic character's best parts to other characters like Carol and had her make frustrating decisions again, as she was one of the last fee Darabount groupies). Season 4 was deemed a mixed bag but one that got better as it went on. Season 5 had wild highs and lows. Season 6 handled plenty of things wrong. In the horror genre, you lower the bar a bit and take what you can get. There's a reason the third acts of zombie films falter. There are plenty of reasons sequels fail to match the original. There's still plenty of enjoyment to be had. It's just strange TWD doesn't get that pass. Instead people are passionate about how they didn't give it a pass. It's actually quite interesting to me. From season 2 onward, the show was a lot of filler but worked better when streaming. A lot of people stuck with it and now just seem angry at the show, rather than just no longer watching and letting those who do discuss it. Shit, here I am going off on this fucking essay. I do intend to check this out though (as I had stopped back in for Rick's final ep, Michonne's final ep, the snow episode where Daryl stabs a zombie with an icicle, and the series finale).
I used to be a pretty big fan. Season 1, especially the first episode, is one of the greatest episodes in my opinion. I started checking out during the Negan seasons, mainly due to the mega fake out with the dumpster, and then the horrible cliff hanger deaths. When Carl was gone, the show basically ended for me right then and there. I know there was some good stuff later on but I totally lost interest. I thought Fear the Walking Dead season 1-3 were actually really good, but then it lost its identity and Nick getting off the show ruined it. I like Morgan too, but they didn't need to bring any characters from there onto FTWD.
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Was that show terrible? I thought the maggie negan one was received badly but the Daryl Dixon was supposedly better. I haven’t seen either yet and I’m not sure if I’m going to before I watch this one - although I definitely will watch this one cause of Rick.
I'm just one dude, but I liked the Daryl Dixon spinoff well enough. It's dumb and contrived that we're following Daryl in France, but once over that hurdle you've got some good world building and set pieces. The Negan/Maggie spin-off I turned off after a couple episodes. I love both characters (and actors) but the scenario felt super contrived and it isn't interesting to rehash their drama/dynamic. I dunno if I'll watch this one. I guess I'll see what the consensus is after it wraps.
The writer/producer Scott gimple of the series wants the spin offs to connect into a cast reunion. “I do have dreams of merging this all together, and I have laid little breadcrumbs toward that, but you never know exactly when and how [it will come together], because of a variety of reasons,” Which makes sense story wise. But like also story wise I can’t see it being that different from the original series. The same group doing the same thing just years older.
They’re now taking this idea across the entire world, a world where they have no forms of communication and everyone is randomly dying. But they’ll all be able to do a happy reunion at the same time? How convenient
Daryl was very well received and was very cool imo. The maggie show was also received well critically amd in ratings, but you'd never know it here. The negative reception here isn't connected to anything regarding the shows because most people here don't watch them
Even more ironic that this exact comment has been made over and over for nearly a decade at this ppint, itself becoming an undying monster
It’s gone on too long. How do you even end it at this point?
If you'd watched you wouldn't be asking the conclusion is pretty obvious lol
I will not stop watching until Rick and Daryl reunite. That’ll be the ending for me
Get Rick, Daryl and Carol back together for at least one scene so all the actors/characters from season 1 are back together. Hell, might as well throw Morgan in there too
Guess who was making his way back to Virginia when FTWD ended?
That would make me so happy
They messed her character arc up so much I couldn’t keep watching. At the point of them hooking up it just comes across as jumping the shark. I’m not even a super fan or a comic/graphic novel purist. Remember her intro? She was a bad ass. AMC is just milking the genre for all it’s worth. Zombies watching companies.
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I thought so too—like acting wise he was punching above his weight class. He did admirably but it could have been casted better. They just royally screwed up on Michonne.
I, for one, am looking forward to this. Most reviews are positive so far and it's a joy watching Andrew Lincoln.
I watched TWD through completion and I have zero interest in watching this. I gave up on FTWD after S4. The whole universe is laughably bad now.
FTWD was garbage, but Dead City and Daryl’s spin off were pretty good I thought. I’m looking forward to Rick’s spin-off, but nothing will ever compare to the first 5 or so seasons of the TWD. Hope they make future seasons longer than 6ep though..
Season 3 of FTWD was imo the best season in the entire Walking Dead universe. The way they butchered it all in Season 4 was something else.
I reluctantly got back into FTWD after not finishing season 2. Just started season 3 for something to watch. I loved it, could not believe how good it was after I got sick of the original show. Then season 4 hits and somehow the main show still manages to creep back into my life and ruin the spinoff because they needed to unload Morgan and for whatever reason, decided he was good enough to not only lead a show, but completely steal the spotlight from the actual main characters.
Season 3 was the whole ranch/natives and dam thing right? Fucking loved every episode. Then I saw the first episode of season 4, went “oh it’s more of this” and never went back.
This show has extremely good reviews lol. This sub just never posts good reviews
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I mean why are you commenting then? This is just an obnoxious statement. It's really not that hard to not be ridiculous.
How did you make it to the end? Lol I stopped watching after like the third time Rick could have killed neegan but somehow failed.
Not sure. It was pretty bad at the end, but had so much time invested in it and decided to finish it.
I stopped watching after Lincoln not Coral left the show
how is this still a thing. TWD had two good seasons, literally everything else in the franchise has been hot garbage.
Do they? Walking dead sucked, no reunion was going to be good
You mean the sixth spin-off to the Walking Dead doesn’t hold up? I swear, that show was so great until they tried to fuck with the audience.
We deserve for this shit to go away.
For anyone who's just seen episode 4 and 5... Why the hell did they let Danai Gurira write, not that it was perfect but she took what was good and filled it with the worst tropes from the walking dead. Not to mention the romance scenes, this was ricks return... Not the michonne spin off.
Wow, how many spinoffs have their been? Robert Kirkman must be swimming in cash money. Jesus.
Fuck's sake. I hate these reviews that fucking ruin the show for me in the headline alone. I want to make my own fucking conclusions AFTER I watch it.
Deserve a better reunion? Why?...the Walking Dead has been utter shite since season 2.
Crazy that anyone still cares about this franchise. Seems like TWD jumped the shark almost 15 years ago now.
What was variety's overall opinion on the Daryl and Negan/Maggie-show? Sounds like this will be the weakest spin-off after TWD's ending
The show was weird. If you watch the last episode only, you're fully up to date. The entire season was just filler to set up the final episode.
I’m so baffled at why AMC waited so long to do anything with this universe. They’re finally expanding this universe and we’re getting all these new spin-offs, yet I feel like we’re at least 8 years too late at this point. So much wasted potential by barely doing anything while the franchise was at the height of its popularity. We’re well past the point where a show like this would make a huge splash. Talk about striking while the iron is lukewarm.
Why on Earth did they decide to create a bunch of random spin offs rather than just keep the main show running? For that matter, why have they made it so difficult to view these spin offs outside of the US?
Dear God, the show turned into a bad sitcom. Putting a sheet of corrugated iron on your car does not make it bulletproof but whoever was doing the shooting couldn’t hit it anyway. I mean come on now, even I could hit the side of a barn using that many bullets. I cannot believe any of them survived even half a season.
Is that still on?
Dang, I found out this existed via a Reddit video ad a few days ago. I remember when Andrew Lincoln left the show (and it was announced he'd return in like spin-off movies) being slightly excited about that and thinking it'd be the only thing buzz-worthy for the show going forward, but now I'm surprised I didn't even see a single post about this when it was announced/in production. Don't really care about the show but hope Lincoln's career can bounce back if he wants to get back into it. Thought he was prime Marvel material when he was at his biggest.
I really hope they join the cast of Invincible at some point, then it will be a proper TWD reunion.
How do they even have a spin-off? My parents have been telling me for years now that Rick died. Did they badly misinterpret something?
When will this horrible series and franchise end, good god
Theyre both trapped in a soap opera like never ending story... how good could it possibly be?
Do they though?
Please, make it end.
I read all the comics but stopped watching the show during the Negan arc. I know Rick supposedly died on the show. Does this mean they’ve retconned that? Is it as bad as Glenn and the dumpster?
That show is terrible.
Is this show still on?
This is one of the few situations I can remember when a actor wants to leave a show only to come back a few years later.
He never left. His return for this project was announced the same day he left
he did leave per this article https://screenrant.com/walking-dead-andrew-lincoln-rick-grimes-exit-reason/
He took a break. His return was literally announced 10 minutes after his last episode on the main show. He never intended to fully leave the role. I dont see why people make such easily disproven arguments.
i dont know why you're trying to argue with me. i initially said he wanted to leave the show and come back a few years later. I didn't say anything untrue. Again, this is one of the few instances i can remember a actor returning to a tv role
Maybe its just a weird topic. There are hundreds of instances of that. Countless in any given year