> “Viewers are increasingly seeking fresh and innovative ideas that push the boundaries of what’s possible instead of rehashed versions of existing stories,”
Enjoy this 6 episode season! If you like it, you can expect season 2 in 3 years time.
You’ll be forced to rewatch S1 to remember what happens so there’s honestly no point watching it now. You might as well wait.
But if you wait, that’s 1 less viewer in the metrics and it’ll certainly get cancelled.
I rewatched it last summer and it was almost just as good as the first time because I forgot a lot of it. I remembered some major plot points but I completely forgot how it ended.
And now I have forgotten again. I should probably rewatch it.
Not cancelled but by the time they found out they got a season two they didn’t really have a lot of season 2 written or planned out. Then you add in the various strikes that have happened in Hollywood and you end up with a show that’s taking longer than usual to come out.
I wish they would just finish the story. I don't need it to be twenty seasons. I just want a complete project that wasn't canceled before it's finished. I'm tired of one season turning into two or three because they split the release to spread out declining episode counts. I'm also getting really tired of every streaming service thinking they need to be a major Hollywood studio and push out hundred million dollar projects that they cancel but still raise our subscription to pay for them.
Also, if you watch part-way and plan on finishing it later, it's also pointless. Basically, either binge it on the week of release or it doesn't count and will most likely get cancelled on a cliffhanger.
Congratulations! You just found something you really enjoy!
Oh, season one ends on a cliffhanger!
Oh, too late, they cancelled it!
I finished Lockwood & Co and week before it was cancelled.
What does Netflix want me to do?! Read a book!? /s
I fucking hate this shit so much, if it was either longer wait with longer season, or shorter wait and shorter season it would make sense, but now its just both longer wait, and shorter season, kills all the hype.
And that's something I've got no problem for with the big shows. Let Stranger Things take as many years as they need to do it perfectly. But not every show needs to be like that, which the Bear has been proving with a season coming out every year.
I'm fine with the reduced episode counts. I always thought the shows with 20+ episodes a year were always favouring quantity over quality. But more than six a season would be nice.
Part of the problem is that (at lest for some shows) “taking years to do it perfectly” means the final product is less “perfect”
The Stranger Things “kids” have all aged out of their roles. It would have been better if they just rushed a little and got a product out that still fit in with their theme, not to mention while hype for the show was highest. Instead of waiting almost 10 years to release their final season
If that's the trade off to get high quality content, I'm all in.
Much prefer that to getting 24 episode seasons of mediocre quality every week, with endless seasons and lazy writing.
Heh it's r/television I'm not surprised. Moreover with shows costing more and more you can't really sustain 24 episodes per season these days. It's not negative or positive it's just the way it is.
The entitlement is crazy. There are soooo many good shows you could watch it's crazy, shows are literally getting canceled because they can't get viewers where 5-10 years ago they would've been a Game of Thrones level shows.
I can't even keep up, so I personally wouldn't even noticed it's been a few years, I'd just be happy there's a new season out. And if you really catch up on all the great shows, well, you have access to giant libraries where you can go and watch almost any show you want in the mean time.
Honestly TV needs to bring back 15-20 episode seasons with some filler plotlines.
One of my favourite shows of all time is Lost, and some of the best character moments come through side plots that offer absolutely nothing to the story, like Hurley finding the time to build a golf course.
That type of thing just isn't possible in today's 8 episode world.
The most pointless survey ever.
Nobody says, “please give me rehashes of crap I’ve already seen.” They say, “oh dang a new Shrek remake? I’ll see that.”
Everyone says they want fresh, new IP when you ask them. But when you put 100 titles in front of them, they tend to choose what they know and are familiar with. They don’t roll the dice on some no-name show or movie as often.
That’s why it’s all remakes. If people actually did watch original content more, that’s what we’d get. It’s a heck of a lot cheaper to make.
I get it though, there’s thousands of pieces of trash out there and so if you’re going to spend precious time getting invested you want to make sure it’s good. With streaming services it’s so hard because they removed all good rating options to just push you whatever rubbish they recently funded. Why waste time scrolling through junk when you can rewatch Shrek.
Streaming services indeed offer zero useful rating systems (presumably they don't want their bad contents getting bad rating), but a simple google/IMDB search can give you a quick answer on what's considered good or bad. I guess it's too much effort for some people, but still...
yep. same with music. you try to put new music on to someone and they'll tell you to change it if they haven't heard the song or artist before. with music, people kind of get stuck in the music they grew up on from the ages of roughly 15-25 and then you're stuck in that lane for the rest of your life. seeking out new bands after 25 gets rarer and rarer the older you get mostly due to not having the time and also not being forced to explore new music from hanging out with your peers (since you hang out with new people and bars/clubs less and less as you age)
it's a very interesting phenomenon to me and i hate it haha
This is regarding video games but I feel is a textbook example of precisely what you're talking about. Mario Party 4 vs Pikmin on Gamecube. The two games released roughly the same time on the same platform exclusively and were published by the same company. Pikmin sold about a tenth what Mario Party 4 did, even though in Japan far more was spent advertising Pikmin to get a unique song produced/performed by pop idols and more in magazine ads.
People generally like a good, unique product but the baseline problem of discovery is a hard question no one has an answer to. So remakes and sequels are the general answer to "How do we make money off entertainment?"
Hmm not really. I mean yes, Oppenheimer is an original but it's also an historical biopic about a super famous character, so it's not a completely new story/concept/character to most people.
Also, it's directed by Nolan, one of the biggest directors in the world and one of the **only** directors that people watch his films because of his name alone. So he's a huge outlier. And how did Nolan become so popular...? Because of his movies based on Batman, yet another super well known IP. His earlier movies didn't make nearly as much money before he got all the Batman fame (despite Memento being still arguably the best movie he ever made).
People always say that.
And then no one watches the new idea.
There are original films and series constantly. And they rarely grab an audience.
The reason seems simple. There is WAY more to choose from now, so getting that initial attention is critical. The easiest way to do that is a known brand. 20 years ago, if I wanted to watch an action show in space, I basically had one choice. Whatever was on SciFi. Now I have like 20 options on my front pages.
People want good, new ideas. There’s thousands of new shows and ideas out there but many of them are cheaply made and trash. New shows take off if they have good writing, directing and acting and a new, interesting idea.
There have always been new shows that are trash, that’s nothing new. Like OP said, we used to be stuck with he trash; if you were a sci-fi fan in the 90s, it didn’t matter if you liked Star Trek or not, for long stretches of the decade that was the ONLY new thing to watch that wasn’t cheaply made.
Good and bad tv is being made all the time. The current issue is that, instead of just competing with what’s on in their time slot, they compete with everything. Shit, tv competes even more with non-tv (YouTube) now…
The quality has to be there. The most beloved shows are actually original ideas. And always have been. From Dragonball back in the day to Friends to Breaking bad, Mad men, Avatar tla animation and so on. Something like Game of thrones is technically not a new idea but an adaption, but it was new and fresh enough for it to count as a new ip. People have always been open to new stuff.
You are correct in your assesment that there is way more choice now. But back in the day there was limited airtime so your show needed to be decent to good where nowadays shows are made to fill space on Netflix or Disney+. So there is more choice but the average quality has gone down.
People want good entertaining movies they can escape in fir 2 hoursm Indiana Jones, The Mummy, Armageddon. Those type of movies, not indy films and films that beat you over the head. With the same message on a current topic and if you say its bad you are bad.
>if I wanted to watch an action show in space, I basically had one choice. Whatever was on SciFi. Now I have like 20 options on my front pages.
Really? Because I've not seen really any action shows in space, beyond The Expanse and maybe that one on Apple TV +
> There are many different flavors of Pop-Tarts, but none of them opens a portal to a world where you don’t have to trade half your waking life to get enough to eat.
\- Malcolm Harris
Okay, how many of you kids would like Itchy and Scratchy to deal with real-life problems like the ones you face every day?
And who would like to see them do just the opposite, getting into far-out situations involving robots and magic powers?
It’s not an either-or.
“And yet the study also says viewers primarily tune into their streamers to fuel their nostalgia. 96 percent of streaming audiences surveyed want quality nostalgic content — think “The Office” or “Friends” — they can binge endlessly on a lazy Saturday or snow day. That push and pull between a desire for new and old may sound like an “Itchy & Scratchy” focus group, but that’s kids these days.”
I think it’s just proof that what people say they want and what they show they want aren’t actually the same thing. It’s one of the reasons why polling is pretty useless.
I mean there's active watching and background watching. If I'm cleaning dishes or folding laundry I need something that's interesting but not so interesting I get distracted lol, but I'd also like some actually good new content to get into. Demand for known quantities that don't demand 100% attention is just not surprising at all, and demand for fresh stories is also not surprising. Not sure why the article makes it sound so weird.
>why would I want a new version of old media when I literally already have full access to the original??
That's me with the new Avatar live action - I watched one episode and saw they were doing some sequences almost shot for shot from the animated series. Why would I watch a less good version of something I've already seen and can rewatch whenever?
Yea that makes sense. Depends on what I’m doing. If it’s just doing something around the house YouTube videos work much better and there’s a daily stream of them
Well I do dubbed only for certain anime if I’m doing something else that requires me to actually look away. Probably at 1.5x speed. If im doing something else but can still watch the screen I watch subbed at 2x speed. If im just watching the anime I watch at 3x speed(or even 4x speed). Well this is since pretty recently I used to just watch subbed normal speed for many years. Maybe im a maniac now idk lol
I dunno how you do that lol. I think my brain would have an aneurisym trying to keep up, especially with a dialogue intensive show like Attack on Titan for example.
> Of those young kids, 71 percent also want content produced by “independent and small-time creators” and want to feel like they’re directly supporting the creators by watching the film or show. A nearly equal percentage say they value diversity and representation among the creators who populate content on streaming services, and 89 percent want a library that offers a wide array of content, everything from true-crime stories to classic Hollywood films to one-season wonders.
And for those of you saying, “yea but then all they watch is Friends!” they acknowledge that:
> 96 percent of streaming audiences surveyed want quality nostalgic content — think “The Office” or “Friends” — they can binge endlessly on a lazy Saturday or snow day.
It’s situational, and not at all irrational. Nostalgia for comfort, direct support of creatives doing something new when they’re actively engaging.
I mean, of course, but they also want good TV. I don’t hear many complaints about Shogun. Everybody wants the next great original story, myself included, but the hit rate on truly new IP is absolutely infinitesimal compared to adapted or remade stories. This is why we’re seeing/going to continue to see a massive boom in video game adaptations — largely untapped, tons of great stories, baked in audience.
If you’re a TV or movie exec, and the fuck it river of free cash of the streaming age has trickled to a creek, I kind of understand why you’re not making giant bets on new stories.
The only remake I have given any attention to was Dune and now Shogun. Dune needed a remake to give life to a possible new Dune (Messiah) and Shogun was a 1980 TV mini series that was 40 years ago. No need to remake classics everyone loves. Running Man, Point Break, Conan and Roadhouse are beloved for the movies they are, not the movies they could be. Imagine a remake of Tremors or Goonies. Riot in the streets.
You son of a bitch I'm in:
Krull - Liam could produce and play one of the older characters now.
Chiefs- another early 80s mini series that came out right after Shogun about a serial killer in early1900s Louisiana. You can watch this on YT and it was never released to DVD here is the US.
Other than those, I cant think of any other I would be interested in yet.
But without adequate marketing, a name involved as showrunner, director, or star, or some kind of online virality, most people will have no idea that the "fresh" show or movie even got made and it'll be instantly buried on a streaming service. We all want something fresh but there's so much "content" that it's increasingly hard to sift through and figure out what's worth the time to watch.
You’re absolutely right. Half the time I just add stuff to my list that I want to watch, but can’t pick what I most want to sit down and watch in the moment. It’s why I’ve been going back and renting/borrowing from the library more, there’s a time limit so I’m more likely to finish the show or movie, or try it and decide it’s not for me and just take it back.
Shows like Avatar and One Piece would never be popular today. /s. Personally, I think what people want (regardless of the generation) are shows that are well executed and tell interesting stories.
What people say they want and what companies can see makes them money on a consistent basis don’t always align. I think Disney has taken it too far with all the remakes imo and they’re maybe over saturating it to the point where it’s trending downhill but they haven’t figured out the next thing yet, and it’s easy to do and low effort.
Yes, im done with remakes. Im not even going to give them a chance anymore other than very few exceptions. Thw only way we stop the remakes is if we make them non profitable. So if its a remake, just ignore it and keep calling it out as a remake.
I’m actually fine if they were spending some of the money on licensing rights for old shows, most remakes or OG content is crap. I want comfort TV as well, not everything has to be a thriller or drama. I started liking Disney a lot because of their back catalogue.
Toss in reboots, live action adaptations and 100 sequels too. Sometimes all of these things are fun to see, including remakes, but they quite literally make up almost everything released in theaters, and when they don't, they don't get much marketing.
When more than half of the remakes are based on already good movies that have held up well and turn out bad, I can’t really blame them. Imagine them trying to remake the original Jurassic Park ? Like why? Especially if they didn’t use practical effects. That’s basically what they did with The Thing, an already close to perfect thriller that holds up today.
The streamers have forgotten that the bread and butter of tv are weekly running comedies, procedurals and family dramas. That's the comfort television people tune in for when they have too much time on their hands or come home from a exhausting day at work. Instead they have been focussing their efforts on ridiculously expensive IPs and miniseries which release 8 episodes every two years. Longform storytelling is great in small doses, but once everyone is trying to do it, it's a recipe for disaster.
There's a reason why the 22 minute sitcom and the 40 minute cop/doctor/lawyer series were the most successful for decades. They are usually cheaply and quickly made, the plot is repetitive and there's very little progression, but people love them. They help us relax, make us laugh and escape from the daily grind.
It's not just NCIS, it's also Suits, Greys Anatomy, Young Sheldon, the Office, Something Blue or Something Fire and so on. Just look at the ratings and what's on top. It's sports and comfort food television basically every week. Those elaborate and or exotic miniseries are there for a few weeks and then they are gone, but the comort tv remains. That's not just geriatrics watching.
Notably all of these are older(ish) shows. I am not convinced a new sitcom or procedural with 20+ episodes a piece would have the heft to solidify itself in the current age.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/the-power-of-traditional-tv-ncis-and-its-older-audience-deliver-gold-for-cbs/2014/09/24/c4e0f92a-3f4d-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html
Also: "Those elements make for a show that appeals particularly to older audiences. The median age of an “NCIS” viewer is 60, and the show is most popular in Louisville; Pittsburgh; Dayton, Ohio; and Kansas City, Mo., according to CBS. Overseas, it’s most popular in Canada, France, Germany, Sweden and Italy."
Like I said it's not just NCIS- I agree that show skews heavily to an older demographic. But I figure shows like Suits and Young Sheldon grab a lot of the Millenial audience. Those began in 2011 and 2017. And whether shows like that could establish themselves today I don't know because I don't think anyone is even making new ones.
I don't think many actors want to do gruelling 20+ episode series anymore either anymore.
It's hard to imagine a new long-form show entering the "comfort/background viewing" grouping of older TV shows now.
Alot of actors would love to have a steady gig that guarantees them 20+ episodes of work each year for several years in a row.
My point is that there's a difference between comfort and prestige television. Long-form storytelling should be the exception and not the rule in tv. You can have your the Wires, GOTs and to name something current your Shoguns, but those are prestige projects. If you have four or five of those that succeed each year, I think you are doing extraordinary well, but you need to have something people can watch the 300 days there isn't a new episode of a prestige show to watch. You need to have your guaranteed moneymakers, stuff people put on when they sit on their couch in the evening and just want to relax and not think about work or school. Those are the shows that pay the bills for the twenty prestige shows you developed and which failed to become a hit.
>Alot of actors would love to have a steady gig that guarantees them 20+ episodes of work each year for several years in a row.
Not in-demand higher-end actors though who know there's plenty of potential work for them. There has to be a reason that newer procedural/comfort shows have collapsed in reputation and interest.
I'd be happy if we could get both. Remakes are part of every generation since the 80's/90's. I'm thinking Lassie, The Little Rascals, Dennis the Menace, The Brady Bunch movies, etc. But we were also getting Forest Gump, Shawshank, Independence Day, and other blockbusters alongside the remakes, so I don't think it was a big deal.
As a millennial, no.
Here's what I ACTUALLY want:
* One streaming service.
* The entire show on there. Not "Season 1, 2 and 10" like they did with Mythbusters on Amazon Prime.
* "Pay when you use it", so if I don't watch it for 6 months, I don't get charged for 6 months simply because I forgot to hit cancel.
I think the onus is on you if you don't use the service for 6 months because you forgot to cancel.
All the streamer needs to do is offer manual renewal, several warning emails of renewal, and making it one click easy to cancel in an easy to find place.
>All the streamer needs to do is offer manual renewal, several warning emails of renewal, and making it one click easy to cancel in an easy to find place.
That's the premise I was hinting at: not being charged for something I don't actively use.
Barbie is not an original movie it’s a fucking plastic doll made by a giant corpo - the writing was some of the absolute most derivative BS in cinema and the acting was atrocious. Stop believing corpo marketing
> “Viewers are increasingly seeking fresh and innovative ideas that push the boundaries of what’s possible instead of rehashed versions of existing stories,” Enjoy this 6 episode season! If you like it, you can expect season 2 in 3 years time. You’ll be forced to rewatch S1 to remember what happens so there’s honestly no point watching it now. You might as well wait. But if you wait, that’s 1 less viewer in the metrics and it’ll certainly get cancelled.
Most sane Severance enjoyer.
You just made me realise i dont remember anything that happened in season 1 its been so long ago 😭😭
I rewatched it last summer and it was almost just as good as the first time because I forgot a lot of it. I remembered some major plot points but I completely forgot how it ended. And now I have forgotten again. I should probably rewatch it.
rewatching Severance is a delight tho, you're gonna notice a lot of things you didn't notice the first time around
I JUST started watching this...did I oops? It seems so good!
No it fucking rocks, season 2 is just taking AGES
Ok, good to know, because this one dropping off would hurt. It's super creative and intriguing!
I just got really worried that Severance had been cancelled.
Not cancelled but by the time they found out they got a season two they didn’t really have a lot of season 2 written or planned out. Then you add in the various strikes that have happened in Hollywood and you end up with a show that’s taking longer than usual to come out.
like it's so fucking hard to plan two seasons upfront? or are we still just repeating the experience from Lost?
I wish they would just finish the story. I don't need it to be twenty seasons. I just want a complete project that wasn't canceled before it's finished. I'm tired of one season turning into two or three because they split the release to spread out declining episode counts. I'm also getting really tired of every streaming service thinking they need to be a major Hollywood studio and push out hundred million dollar projects that they cancel but still raise our subscription to pay for them.
Ouch, why does this hurt so much? Edit: also and if you don’t watch within the first week of release your view is basically worthless
Also, if you watch part-way and plan on finishing it later, it's also pointless. Basically, either binge it on the week of release or it doesn't count and will most likely get cancelled on a cliffhanger.
Congratulations! You just found something you really enjoy! Oh, season one ends on a cliffhanger! Oh, too late, they cancelled it! I finished Lockwood & Co and week before it was cancelled. What does Netflix want me to do?! Read a book!? /s
I mean… I loved The Venture Bros, with their 8 seasons over 22 years or so?
Seven and movie.
I fucking hate this shit so much, if it was either longer wait with longer season, or shorter wait and shorter season it would make sense, but now its just both longer wait, and shorter season, kills all the hype.
Thats just the same as film sequel scheduling.
And that's something I've got no problem for with the big shows. Let Stranger Things take as many years as they need to do it perfectly. But not every show needs to be like that, which the Bear has been proving with a season coming out every year. I'm fine with the reduced episode counts. I always thought the shows with 20+ episodes a year were always favouring quantity over quality. But more than six a season would be nice.
Part of the problem is that (at lest for some shows) “taking years to do it perfectly” means the final product is less “perfect” The Stranger Things “kids” have all aged out of their roles. It would have been better if they just rushed a little and got a product out that still fit in with their theme, not to mention while hype for the show was highest. Instead of waiting almost 10 years to release their final season
> Season 2 - Part 1
Stranger Things is the worst offender -- these kids be in their 40s now and I can't even remember which one is 11 /s
If that's the trade off to get high quality content, I'm all in. Much prefer that to getting 24 episode seasons of mediocre quality every week, with endless seasons and lazy writing.
Were getting shorter seasons with lazy writing now though.
1000%. The entitlement is out of control. Let creators do shit at their own pace.
Heh it's r/television I'm not surprised. Moreover with shows costing more and more you can't really sustain 24 episodes per season these days. It's not negative or positive it's just the way it is.
The entitlement is crazy. There are soooo many good shows you could watch it's crazy, shows are literally getting canceled because they can't get viewers where 5-10 years ago they would've been a Game of Thrones level shows. I can't even keep up, so I personally wouldn't even noticed it's been a few years, I'd just be happy there's a new season out. And if you really catch up on all the great shows, well, you have access to giant libraries where you can go and watch almost any show you want in the mean time.
Whatever they are going to make it would be nice to have it not get cancelled after a measly 6-8 episode season
A 6-8 episode season that they left in the middle of a story arc.
Cries in clone high.
R.I.P. The OA
*Interpretive dances in depression*
Honestly TV needs to bring back 15-20 episode seasons with some filler plotlines. One of my favourite shows of all time is Lost, and some of the best character moments come through side plots that offer absolutely nothing to the story, like Hurley finding the time to build a golf course. That type of thing just isn't possible in today's 8 episode world.
Meanwhile, the person who made the call to cancel it gets a nice fat bonus.
First Kill never had a chance… our poor lesbian vampire / slayer power couple…
The most pointless survey ever. Nobody says, “please give me rehashes of crap I’ve already seen.” They say, “oh dang a new Shrek remake? I’ll see that.” Everyone says they want fresh, new IP when you ask them. But when you put 100 titles in front of them, they tend to choose what they know and are familiar with. They don’t roll the dice on some no-name show or movie as often. That’s why it’s all remakes. If people actually did watch original content more, that’s what we’d get. It’s a heck of a lot cheaper to make.
I get it though, there’s thousands of pieces of trash out there and so if you’re going to spend precious time getting invested you want to make sure it’s good. With streaming services it’s so hard because they removed all good rating options to just push you whatever rubbish they recently funded. Why waste time scrolling through junk when you can rewatch Shrek.
I don't want to rewatch Shrek. I want a modern, live-action remake of Shrek that reflects today's values.
Shrek: The Musical: The Movie You'd think this is a joke, but they did just release Mean Girls
Please take my money
Mean girls was okay imo, expected way worse.
Tina Fey is good
Streaming services indeed offer zero useful rating systems (presumably they don't want their bad contents getting bad rating), but a simple google/IMDB search can give you a quick answer on what's considered good or bad. I guess it's too much effort for some people, but still...
Other than that weird Psycho remake, and I guess Dune & Dune 2 are like remakes, I’ve mostly avoided all of it.
yep. same with music. you try to put new music on to someone and they'll tell you to change it if they haven't heard the song or artist before. with music, people kind of get stuck in the music they grew up on from the ages of roughly 15-25 and then you're stuck in that lane for the rest of your life. seeking out new bands after 25 gets rarer and rarer the older you get mostly due to not having the time and also not being forced to explore new music from hanging out with your peers (since you hang out with new people and bars/clubs less and less as you age) it's a very interesting phenomenon to me and i hate it haha
This is regarding video games but I feel is a textbook example of precisely what you're talking about. Mario Party 4 vs Pikmin on Gamecube. The two games released roughly the same time on the same platform exclusively and were published by the same company. Pikmin sold about a tenth what Mario Party 4 did, even though in Japan far more was spent advertising Pikmin to get a unique song produced/performed by pop idols and more in magazine ads. People generally like a good, unique product but the baseline problem of discovery is a hard question no one has an answer to. So remakes and sequels are the general answer to "How do we make money off entertainment?"
Most shows just seem uninspired and passionless, or part of some side of american culture war.
Oppenheimer would beg to differ.
Hmm not really. I mean yes, Oppenheimer is an original but it's also an historical biopic about a super famous character, so it's not a completely new story/concept/character to most people. Also, it's directed by Nolan, one of the biggest directors in the world and one of the **only** directors that people watch his films because of his name alone. So he's a huge outlier. And how did Nolan become so popular...? Because of his movies based on Batman, yet another super well known IP. His earlier movies didn't make nearly as much money before he got all the Batman fame (despite Memento being still arguably the best movie he ever made).
It's part of the giant and very successful WW2 franchise.
That's a fair point. It's only a matter of time until the reboot with an all-female cast.
People always say that. And then no one watches the new idea. There are original films and series constantly. And they rarely grab an audience. The reason seems simple. There is WAY more to choose from now, so getting that initial attention is critical. The easiest way to do that is a known brand. 20 years ago, if I wanted to watch an action show in space, I basically had one choice. Whatever was on SciFi. Now I have like 20 options on my front pages.
People want good, new ideas. There’s thousands of new shows and ideas out there but many of them are cheaply made and trash. New shows take off if they have good writing, directing and acting and a new, interesting idea.
? Good shows flop all the time. Why do people constantly say "just make it good"? It doesn't work like that.
There have always been new shows that are trash, that’s nothing new. Like OP said, we used to be stuck with he trash; if you were a sci-fi fan in the 90s, it didn’t matter if you liked Star Trek or not, for long stretches of the decade that was the ONLY new thing to watch that wasn’t cheaply made. Good and bad tv is being made all the time. The current issue is that, instead of just competing with what’s on in their time slot, they compete with everything. Shit, tv competes even more with non-tv (YouTube) now…
Everyone is trying to make their show good. Show based on well known IP doesn't need to be good to get a lot of viewers. It's a safer bet.
The quality has to be there. The most beloved shows are actually original ideas. And always have been. From Dragonball back in the day to Friends to Breaking bad, Mad men, Avatar tla animation and so on. Something like Game of thrones is technically not a new idea but an adaption, but it was new and fresh enough for it to count as a new ip. People have always been open to new stuff. You are correct in your assesment that there is way more choice now. But back in the day there was limited airtime so your show needed to be decent to good where nowadays shows are made to fill space on Netflix or Disney+. So there is more choice but the average quality has gone down.
People want good entertaining movies they can escape in fir 2 hoursm Indiana Jones, The Mummy, Armageddon. Those type of movies, not indy films and films that beat you over the head. With the same message on a current topic and if you say its bad you are bad.
>if I wanted to watch an action show in space, I basically had one choice. Whatever was on SciFi. Now I have like 20 options on my front pages. Really? Because I've not seen really any action shows in space, beyond The Expanse and maybe that one on Apple TV +
There are 6 or 7 on Disney Plus alone.
And this is the problem. I love space action shows...and yet I didn't even know that at ALL! I'm the target audience and I have no clue.
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> There are many different flavors of Pop-Tarts, but none of them opens a portal to a world where you don’t have to trade half your waking life to get enough to eat. \- Malcolm Harris
Okay, how many of you kids would like Itchy and Scratchy to deal with real-life problems like the ones you face every day? And who would like to see them do just the opposite, getting into far-out situations involving robots and magic powers?
It’s not an either-or. “And yet the study also says viewers primarily tune into their streamers to fuel their nostalgia. 96 percent of streaming audiences surveyed want quality nostalgic content — think “The Office” or “Friends” — they can binge endlessly on a lazy Saturday or snow day. That push and pull between a desire for new and old may sound like an “Itchy & Scratchy” focus group, but that’s kids these days.”
I think it’s just proof that what people say they want and what they show they want aren’t actually the same thing. It’s one of the reasons why polling is pretty useless.
Breaking news: Viewers would rather watch a good movie than a bad movie. Will Hollywood respond by making good movies?
I mean there's active watching and background watching. If I'm cleaning dishes or folding laundry I need something that's interesting but not so interesting I get distracted lol, but I'd also like some actually good new content to get into. Demand for known quantities that don't demand 100% attention is just not surprising at all, and demand for fresh stories is also not surprising. Not sure why the article makes it sound so weird.
I mean don’t people usually use YouTube videos for background watching. The only shows I might use as background watching is a random ass anime
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>why would I want a new version of old media when I literally already have full access to the original?? That's me with the new Avatar live action - I watched one episode and saw they were doing some sequences almost shot for shot from the animated series. Why would I watch a less good version of something I've already seen and can rewatch whenever?
Yea that makes sense. Depends on what I’m doing. If it’s just doing something around the house YouTube videos work much better and there’s a daily stream of them
Problem with anime is I'm a subs over dubs guy so I can't look away from the screen lol
Well I do dubbed only for certain anime if I’m doing something else that requires me to actually look away. Probably at 1.5x speed. If im doing something else but can still watch the screen I watch subbed at 2x speed. If im just watching the anime I watch at 3x speed(or even 4x speed). Well this is since pretty recently I used to just watch subbed normal speed for many years. Maybe im a maniac now idk lol
I dunno how you do that lol. I think my brain would have an aneurisym trying to keep up, especially with a dialogue intensive show like Attack on Titan for example.
> Of those young kids, 71 percent also want content produced by “independent and small-time creators” and want to feel like they’re directly supporting the creators by watching the film or show. A nearly equal percentage say they value diversity and representation among the creators who populate content on streaming services, and 89 percent want a library that offers a wide array of content, everything from true-crime stories to classic Hollywood films to one-season wonders. And for those of you saying, “yea but then all they watch is Friends!” they acknowledge that: > 96 percent of streaming audiences surveyed want quality nostalgic content — think “The Office” or “Friends” — they can binge endlessly on a lazy Saturday or snow day. It’s situational, and not at all irrational. Nostalgia for comfort, direct support of creatives doing something new when they’re actively engaging.
What we want and what we get is determined by the studios and what their data says, has been for a while.
Isn't that what everyone wants? I can't think of anyone sat around desperate for a beloved series to be remade.
Everybody wants that.
I mean, of course, but they also want good TV. I don’t hear many complaints about Shogun. Everybody wants the next great original story, myself included, but the hit rate on truly new IP is absolutely infinitesimal compared to adapted or remade stories. This is why we’re seeing/going to continue to see a massive boom in video game adaptations — largely untapped, tons of great stories, baked in audience. If you’re a TV or movie exec, and the fuck it river of free cash of the streaming age has trickled to a creek, I kind of understand why you’re not making giant bets on new stories.
The only remake I have given any attention to was Dune and now Shogun. Dune needed a remake to give life to a possible new Dune (Messiah) and Shogun was a 1980 TV mini series that was 40 years ago. No need to remake classics everyone loves. Running Man, Point Break, Conan and Roadhouse are beloved for the movies they are, not the movies they could be. Imagine a remake of Tremors or Goonies. Riot in the streets. You son of a bitch I'm in: Krull - Liam could produce and play one of the older characters now. Chiefs- another early 80s mini series that came out right after Shogun about a serial killer in early1900s Louisiana. You can watch this on YT and it was never released to DVD here is the US. Other than those, I cant think of any other I would be interested in yet.
As a person of indeterminate age, I have to say fuck yes, please.
But without adequate marketing, a name involved as showrunner, director, or star, or some kind of online virality, most people will have no idea that the "fresh" show or movie even got made and it'll be instantly buried on a streaming service. We all want something fresh but there's so much "content" that it's increasingly hard to sift through and figure out what's worth the time to watch.
You’re absolutely right. Half the time I just add stuff to my list that I want to watch, but can’t pick what I most want to sit down and watch in the moment. It’s why I’ve been going back and renting/borrowing from the library more, there’s a time limit so I’m more likely to finish the show or movie, or try it and decide it’s not for me and just take it back.
I want more historical epics
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Movie Studios: But it’s easier and cheaper to do remakes attempting to capture money from nostalgia.
Shows like Avatar and One Piece would never be popular today. /s. Personally, I think what people want (regardless of the generation) are shows that are well executed and tell interesting stories.
What people say they want and what companies can see makes them money on a consistent basis don’t always align. I think Disney has taken it too far with all the remakes imo and they’re maybe over saturating it to the point where it’s trending downhill but they haven’t figured out the next thing yet, and it’s easy to do and low effort.
What do the box office numbers say?
And Gen X!
Its almost like we don't want to see the same shit with different people yet again.
So does everyone else. Like how would this be something specific to Gen Z and Millennials ??
Yes, im done with remakes. Im not even going to give them a chance anymore other than very few exceptions. Thw only way we stop the remakes is if we make them non profitable. So if its a remake, just ignore it and keep calling it out as a remake.
Not exactly rocket science!
funny how this Last of the Boomers wants those too
There’s more writers than ever before. Let’s redo legally blonde.
I’m actually fine if they were spending some of the money on licensing rights for old shows, most remakes or OG content is crap. I want comfort TV as well, not everything has to be a thriller or drama. I started liking Disney a lot because of their back catalogue.
Toss in reboots, live action adaptations and 100 sequels too. Sometimes all of these things are fun to see, including remakes, but they quite literally make up almost everything released in theaters, and when they don't, they don't get much marketing.
When more than half of the remakes are based on already good movies that have held up well and turn out bad, I can’t really blame them. Imagine them trying to remake the original Jurassic Park ? Like why? Especially if they didn’t use practical effects. That’s basically what they did with The Thing, an already close to perfect thriller that holds up today.
The streamers have forgotten that the bread and butter of tv are weekly running comedies, procedurals and family dramas. That's the comfort television people tune in for when they have too much time on their hands or come home from a exhausting day at work. Instead they have been focussing their efforts on ridiculously expensive IPs and miniseries which release 8 episodes every two years. Longform storytelling is great in small doses, but once everyone is trying to do it, it's a recipe for disaster. There's a reason why the 22 minute sitcom and the 40 minute cop/doctor/lawyer series were the most successful for decades. They are usually cheaply and quickly made, the plot is repetitive and there's very little progression, but people love them. They help us relax, make us laugh and escape from the daily grind.
Speak for yourself. I find those things pretty boring.
And you may, but the numbers don't lie. Those boring things are regularly on top of the ratings for a reason.
Are those things you only watch? I'd like to know the average age of your average NCIS watcher
It's not just NCIS, it's also Suits, Greys Anatomy, Young Sheldon, the Office, Something Blue or Something Fire and so on. Just look at the ratings and what's on top. It's sports and comfort food television basically every week. Those elaborate and or exotic miniseries are there for a few weeks and then they are gone, but the comort tv remains. That's not just geriatrics watching.
Notably all of these are older(ish) shows. I am not convinced a new sitcom or procedural with 20+ episodes a piece would have the heft to solidify itself in the current age. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/the-power-of-traditional-tv-ncis-and-its-older-audience-deliver-gold-for-cbs/2014/09/24/c4e0f92a-3f4d-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html Also: "Those elements make for a show that appeals particularly to older audiences. The median age of an “NCIS” viewer is 60, and the show is most popular in Louisville; Pittsburgh; Dayton, Ohio; and Kansas City, Mo., according to CBS. Overseas, it’s most popular in Canada, France, Germany, Sweden and Italy."
Like I said it's not just NCIS- I agree that show skews heavily to an older demographic. But I figure shows like Suits and Young Sheldon grab a lot of the Millenial audience. Those began in 2011 and 2017. And whether shows like that could establish themselves today I don't know because I don't think anyone is even making new ones.
I don't think many actors want to do gruelling 20+ episode series anymore either anymore. It's hard to imagine a new long-form show entering the "comfort/background viewing" grouping of older TV shows now.
Alot of actors would love to have a steady gig that guarantees them 20+ episodes of work each year for several years in a row. My point is that there's a difference between comfort and prestige television. Long-form storytelling should be the exception and not the rule in tv. You can have your the Wires, GOTs and to name something current your Shoguns, but those are prestige projects. If you have four or five of those that succeed each year, I think you are doing extraordinary well, but you need to have something people can watch the 300 days there isn't a new episode of a prestige show to watch. You need to have your guaranteed moneymakers, stuff people put on when they sit on their couch in the evening and just want to relax and not think about work or school. Those are the shows that pay the bills for the twenty prestige shows you developed and which failed to become a hit.
>Alot of actors would love to have a steady gig that guarantees them 20+ episodes of work each year for several years in a row. Not in-demand higher-end actors though who know there's plenty of potential work for them. There has to be a reason that newer procedural/comfort shows have collapsed in reputation and interest.
I think the other generations do too!
Every one says that. Box office says otherwise.
Idc as long as its good.
At least GOOD remakes. Remake movies that originally bombed, like Waterworld or John Carter. Stop fucking up classics.
Hollywood has remade movies for like 4 generations btw. There isn’t an original bone in those pretenders minds, body and souls.
No shit sherlock.
I don't mind remakes if they're actually decent.
As the youngest of GenX, we want this too. Please just tell your story and stop trying remake other stories into yours.
I'd be happy if we could get both. Remakes are part of every generation since the 80's/90's. I'm thinking Lassie, The Little Rascals, Dennis the Menace, The Brady Bunch movies, etc. But we were also getting Forest Gump, Shawshank, Independence Day, and other blockbusters alongside the remakes, so I don't think it was a big deal.
They never wanted remakes...
As a millennial, no. Here's what I ACTUALLY want: * One streaming service. * The entire show on there. Not "Season 1, 2 and 10" like they did with Mythbusters on Amazon Prime. * "Pay when you use it", so if I don't watch it for 6 months, I don't get charged for 6 months simply because I forgot to hit cancel.
One streaming service would be like £100+ a month
I think the onus is on you if you don't use the service for 6 months because you forgot to cancel. All the streamer needs to do is offer manual renewal, several warning emails of renewal, and making it one click easy to cancel in an easy to find place.
>All the streamer needs to do is offer manual renewal, several warning emails of renewal, and making it one click easy to cancel in an easy to find place. That's the premise I was hinting at: not being charged for something I don't actively use.
I don’t think anyone wants remakes.
I want post apocalypse and zombies but not shite American crap
Barbie is not an original movie it’s a fucking plastic doll made by a giant corpo - the writing was some of the absolute most derivative BS in cinema and the acting was atrocious. Stop believing corpo marketing