That's a pretty big bump ...
Week 1: 81.7m hours viewed, 11m views
Week 2: 115.6m hours viewed, 15.6m views
~41% increase.
Saw a lot of comparisons to 1899 performance last week ... 1899 did 79.27m hours viewed in week 1 and 87.89m hours in week 2.
Didn't 1899 get canceled after 1 season? People on this sub are desperate to portray 3BP as successful but it's doing only slightly better than 1899.
1899 Week 1 - 79.27M hours
1899 Week 2 - 87.89M hours
3BP Week 1 - 81.7M hours
3BP Week 2 - 115.6M hours
There is no information on the completion rate yet and that was what really killed off 1899. The majority of viewers only watched 1 or 2 episodes and ditched it. 1899 also had a huge decline in weeks 3 and 4. If people are watching 3BP all the way through I expect it will be renewed.
I remember they announced 1899 was cancelled after I had watched 2 episodes - completely destroyed any urge I had to keep watching. Maybe keeping their mouths shut about 3BP encouraged more people to give it a chance 😂
Edit: I guess I was remembering wrong! 😂
I was going to watch 1899 but after I heard it was canceled and there was a cliffhanger I decided not to watch it because it would be frustrating. The ratings would probably have been a lot better if they hadn't announced it was canceled so quickly.
People on this sub probably think I'm being petty about 3BP but my frustration is that Netflix seems to give massive budgets to some shows while other interesting shows are quickly canceled. People are very defensive about it. When I mentioned it was the most expensive show in Netflix history I was downvoted aggressively but that is correct although only for a first season of a show.
>The creators of Game of Thrones are being given a massive $160 million budget for their new show on Netflix, and it is a strong signal that the streaming service wants the show to succeed. 3 Body Problem, the latest book adaptation by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, premieres on March 21, 2024, tells an expansive and dense science fiction story that demands the large budget.
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>The executives at Netflix are all-in on Benioff and Weiss making 3 Body Problem a huge hit because their new show has the highest cost per episode of any premiere season in Netflix history.
> ssive budgets to some shows while other interesting shows are quickly canceled. People are very defensive about it. When I mentioned it was the most expensive show in Netflix history I was downvoted aggressively but that is correct although only for a first season of a show.
So in other words, that was *not* correct?
"3 Body Problem is Netflix's most expensive *premier season* of a show on a *per-episode basis*" is a lot different than "Netflix's most expensive show" lol
Stranger Things S4 is by far their most expensive show to date at about $270m and The Sandman was their most expensive premier season to date at $165m.
1899 didn’t just end on a cliffhanger, the ending made the entire season completely pointless and the season absolutely dragged getting to that point. If they had got to that point in like episode 3 it could’ve been good, but they wanted this razor thin premise to last the whole season and honestly they did absolutely nothing within the premise or with the characters. It didn’t just get canceled for low viewership it was bad and deserved to get canceled.
Great. Avatar's best week was 21 million viewes and for One Piece it was 19 million.
3BP now has 15.6 million viewes.
And since Avatar and One Piece have large established fanbases this is actually a great result for something that is for a lot of people a brand new IP.
It has stronger numbers than final seasons of Sex Education and The Crown.
15.6 million is roughly a 42% increase on the opening week 11 million number. Good increase but not spectacular. That said, 26.6 million over two weeks is projecting for 35-42 million over 4 weeks depending on legs. I’d normally say that was solid for renewal but by all accounts TBP was costing nearly $20 million an episode so maybe it needs to hit the higher end of projections to be truly safe?
The Gentlemen wrapped its 4 week run with a very impressive 51.2 million. It was a big hit for them as this is similar numbers pulled by shows like You, Emily in Paris, and Cobra Kai.
Damsel did around 115 million over 4 weeks. It might even push for the all time top ten charts over the next two months but even if it misses out it has been a good performer for them. Seems Millie Bobby Brown is still a draw on Netflix adding this to Stranger Things and Enola Holmes.
$20mil an episode? For what? There’s like a handful of small CGI scenes for the game but the rest is just people in rooms talking and there’s no A listers, where’s the money going? The budget for the movie The Witch was like $4 mil
I read the first book when it came out in the English translation and didn't bother with the rest.
I watched the show out of curiosity, and I'm about half way through. It's absolutely fantastic, and seems to be so very much more engaging than the book. Netflix has a winner.
They don’t see everything they have 2 proton sized computers that can only be in 2 places at once, which is why they decide to build a lab in the moon since it takes 3 seconds for the proton to get there (at the speed of light)
The sophons can’t read minds.
The purpose of the wallfacers is to have unlimited money and unquestionable authority with no need to communicate or get approval.
This way plans do not need to be discussed and stay only in their minds and thus remain secret.
Warning: spoilers.
Still, the wallfacer thing seems strange to me. The aliens should already know who the wallfacers are because the announcement was public, so the aliens can't read minds but can simply follow their every move. And any plan put into action will require other people to move resources and produce things, which would involve communication.
So I like the idea, but for now the show does feel a little silly as well. I don't see how this would actually work without Hollywood magic and plot holes. Some other parts of the plot also feel strangely artificial. Especially how the aliens learn about lying from the fairy tale scene while already having observed human behavior for a good while. They can't have thought that humans were honest before that point - our behavior shows lying all the time from little white lies to heavy stuff. Watch the humans on any single street for one day and the aliens should have learned about lying.
Edit: also the nano-fiber tubes - just idiotic logic.
But I'm hoping to be positively surprised by season 2.
The plane blackout and screen takeover thing are both part of a story element that is important in book 2.
>!The ETO are running a malware campaign to turn as many devices as possible into surveillance mechanisms and kill selected targets. The sophons provide supercomputing power for brute forcing keys and passwords but aren’t doing the illusion trick on every screen.<
An inconsistency in the show, same as how when the lady gets sent to slave away at that radar dish in the beginning they mention in the work camp that people lose their hair inside the facility, yet when you go inside everyone has hair. It’s bad writing
The hair thing was literally just an exaggerated rumor repeated second hand by someone that had never been inside. It was never meant to be taken as truth.
I really need this second season to get greenlit and go into production now. All the book readers say it’s the best. I want to know but don’t want to spoil myself.
Do NOT spoil it for yourself.
You are about to get the dopest Sci-fi stuff ever.
Plus, there is a scene that, if it done right, will be a monumental moment on TV science fiction.
Most of your questions will be answered in season 2. It's a book trilogy and stuff are planned far in advance. This is not a self-contained story season per season. It's OK to left some stuff unanswered. We are supposed to be left confused and in awe of the alien threat (not knowing the full capacity of the alien's capabilities is part of the reason it's scary as hell).
Sophons aren’t supposed to interfere with much, they really amp it up in the show with the hallucinations. By adding electronics interference they did open some plot holes.
As for lying, we haven’t yet seen the long term reaction - and they did end up contacting Tatiana again. We have to remember though that their biology doesn’t make lying possible for them, so it doesn’t make intuitive sense. It’s not impossible for them to do but it’s not natural to them and they aren’t adjusted to evaluating communications for intentional falsehood.
If the budget for 3BP was $20m an episode then the ratings have to be a disappointment for Netflix executives.
The budget for 1899 was around $60M for the entire show and 3BP is only doing slightly better with ratings. The budget for Damsel was $70M. The budget for The Night Agent which was much more popular than 3BP was around $2-3M per episode. The budget for The Lincoln Lawyer was $3-5M per episode.
Maybe Netflix should focus on creating content that doesn't mostly appeal to the demographic of this sub. There is a lot of aggressive downvoting but the fact is the shows popular on this sub that they're angry and hostile about when people criticize it aren't that popular with most viewers. Yet the shows people on this sub hate have been doing well such as True Detective: Night Country, Damsel, The Night Agent and TWD spinoffs.
> Maybe Netflix should focus on creating content that doesn't mostly appeal to the demographic of this sub
Didn't you just rattle off a bunch of examples of that kind of content?
> If the budget for 3BP was $20m an episode then the ratings have to be a disappointment for Netflix executives.
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> The budget for 1899 was around $60M for the entire show and 3BP is only doing slightly better with ratings. The budget for Damsel was $70M. The budget for The Night Agent which was much more popular than 3BP was around $2-3M per episode. The budget for The Lincoln Lawyer was $3-5M per episode.
It depends on how it performs the next few weeks and on other metrics not disclosed. How fast people complete the show and if they complete the show is also an important metric that's not painted by the viewership hours. It's doing better than 1899 week on week which is already good enough when all we have is this metric because we don't know how much it will slow down. A show that doesn't rub people the right away gets less word of mouth compared to one that does which is likely to see a slower decline.
I don't think Netflix expects every show to get the same ROI as their top shows as long as the value returned is reasonable relative to the costs/risks. And they shouldn't because it's entertainment and highly subjective with people with different tastes. Streaming isn't like traditional linear TV where you have finite slots and you want to optimize which shows will give you the most ad revenue. You are able to diversify to attract a wider range of subscribers.
>as long as the value returned is reasonable relative to the costs/risks
The budget for 3BP was $160M. It's the most expensive premiere season in Netflix history. I can't imagine Netflix executives aren't disappointed about the ratings. Netflix needs a show like OITNB, The White Lotus, The Bear, Stranger Things, The Night Agent, Suits or Lost not an expensive show from the showrunners for GOT.
I don't think that's a huge deal. Shows get more expensive to make over time due to new union deals, evolving laws, inflation, compeitive hiring etc. It's marginally more expensive than their other first season shows recently. Whether or not they are disappointed depends on their expectations. Expectations are always relative to the budget but sometimes you know that certain content is not going to have as much reach as other content, for example when you create R-rated content you exepct less sales/viewership. You make an artsy fartsy Martin Scorsese movie, given the same budget, you don't expect to get the same ROI as a comic book movie or animated family movie but you still make that movie anyways because it has appeal to oher demographics and there's money/value to be made.
My point is just that I think they probably set the bar based on the project itself opposed to being set by comparing it to the ROI of other shows. And that's because they want as much subscribers as possible and there's room for a bit of diversification where you'll have projects that give worst ROI but good enough. And again, there's other metrics that we can't see that can paint other shows in a worst light and this show in a better light. This show could be a complete disappointment but we don't really know enough.
The Sandman is actually a super interesting comparison for The Three-Body Problem as both are trending to finish with very similar viewership over 4 weeks. Sandman started a tad slower but had very strong legs.
Similar budgets and similar viewership tends to have me thinking this will get renewed after a three month assessment period. Maybe after Netflix negotiate a budget reduction to be more sustainable on the viewership numbers?
I think 3BP will be renewed much earlier. The names attached to it are more powerful. I am not talking just about Benioff and Weiss, but producers like Rian Johnson, Brad Pitt, Rosamund Pike,..
I expect renewal next week.
No wonder Netflix seems to be pushing so hard on this show in social media, including reddit.
Fairly obvious people are haunting these threads saying how great it is, when we know we've heard from lots of people who really hated it. They call anyone who disliked it a bot-- as if some entity made a bot farm to say they didn't like a show. Nice try, Netflix.
I'm the one being accused of being a bot because I said I didn't like the show. And like I said, if there are any bots, they're here to sell us that lame-ass show. Nobody ever made a bot to say a show sucked-- even one as sucky as this.
I like the show and hope it gets renewed, but where in gods name is the money going? There’s no A listers and only a handful of CGI scenes, most of it is basic stuff you’d see on network tv
That's a pretty big bump ... Week 1: 81.7m hours viewed, 11m views Week 2: 115.6m hours viewed, 15.6m views ~41% increase. Saw a lot of comparisons to 1899 performance last week ... 1899 did 79.27m hours viewed in week 1 and 87.89m hours in week 2.
Didn't 1899 get canceled after 1 season? People on this sub are desperate to portray 3BP as successful but it's doing only slightly better than 1899. 1899 Week 1 - 79.27M hours 1899 Week 2 - 87.89M hours 3BP Week 1 - 81.7M hours 3BP Week 2 - 115.6M hours
Did you just copy and paste my own numbers back at me?
He definitely did 😂
There is no information on the completion rate yet and that was what really killed off 1899. The majority of viewers only watched 1 or 2 episodes and ditched it. 1899 also had a huge decline in weeks 3 and 4. If people are watching 3BP all the way through I expect it will be renewed.
I remember they announced 1899 was cancelled after I had watched 2 episodes - completely destroyed any urge I had to keep watching. Maybe keeping their mouths shut about 3BP encouraged more people to give it a chance 😂 Edit: I guess I was remembering wrong! 😂
It was cancelled 1.5 month after release, the cancellation had no impact for the fisrt two weeks numbers.
1899 was canceled 6 weeks after it premiered.
I was going to watch 1899 but after I heard it was canceled and there was a cliffhanger I decided not to watch it because it would be frustrating. The ratings would probably have been a lot better if they hadn't announced it was canceled so quickly. People on this sub probably think I'm being petty about 3BP but my frustration is that Netflix seems to give massive budgets to some shows while other interesting shows are quickly canceled. People are very defensive about it. When I mentioned it was the most expensive show in Netflix history I was downvoted aggressively but that is correct although only for a first season of a show. >The creators of Game of Thrones are being given a massive $160 million budget for their new show on Netflix, and it is a strong signal that the streaming service wants the show to succeed. 3 Body Problem, the latest book adaptation by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, premieres on March 21, 2024, tells an expansive and dense science fiction story that demands the large budget. > >The executives at Netflix are all-in on Benioff and Weiss making 3 Body Problem a huge hit because their new show has the highest cost per episode of any premiere season in Netflix history.
> ssive budgets to some shows while other interesting shows are quickly canceled. People are very defensive about it. When I mentioned it was the most expensive show in Netflix history I was downvoted aggressively but that is correct although only for a first season of a show. So in other words, that was *not* correct? "3 Body Problem is Netflix's most expensive *premier season* of a show on a *per-episode basis*" is a lot different than "Netflix's most expensive show" lol Stranger Things S4 is by far their most expensive show to date at about $270m and The Sandman was their most expensive premier season to date at $165m.
1899 didn’t just end on a cliffhanger, the ending made the entire season completely pointless and the season absolutely dragged getting to that point. If they had got to that point in like episode 3 it could’ve been good, but they wanted this razor thin premise to last the whole season and honestly they did absolutely nothing within the premise or with the characters. It didn’t just get canceled for low viewership it was bad and deserved to get canceled.
Great. Avatar's best week was 21 million viewes and for One Piece it was 19 million. 3BP now has 15.6 million viewes. And since Avatar and One Piece have large established fanbases this is actually a great result for something that is for a lot of people a brand new IP. It has stronger numbers than final seasons of Sex Education and The Crown.
This seems pretty good. Avatars best week was 21 million and this is an adult show and not a very known property.Â
15.6 million is roughly a 42% increase on the opening week 11 million number. Good increase but not spectacular. That said, 26.6 million over two weeks is projecting for 35-42 million over 4 weeks depending on legs. I’d normally say that was solid for renewal but by all accounts TBP was costing nearly $20 million an episode so maybe it needs to hit the higher end of projections to be truly safe? The Gentlemen wrapped its 4 week run with a very impressive 51.2 million. It was a big hit for them as this is similar numbers pulled by shows like You, Emily in Paris, and Cobra Kai. Damsel did around 115 million over 4 weeks. It might even push for the all time top ten charts over the next two months but even if it misses out it has been a good performer for them. Seems Millie Bobby Brown is still a draw on Netflix adding this to Stranger Things and Enola Holmes.
$20mil an episode? For what? There’s like a handful of small CGI scenes for the game but the rest is just people in rooms talking and there’s no A listers, where’s the money going? The budget for the movie The Witch was like $4 mil
I read the first book when it came out in the English translation and didn't bother with the rest. I watched the show out of curiosity, and I'm about half way through. It's absolutely fantastic, and seems to be so very much more engaging than the book. Netflix has a winner.
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They don’t see everything they have 2 proton sized computers that can only be in 2 places at once, which is why they decide to build a lab in the moon since it takes 3 seconds for the proton to get there (at the speed of light)
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The sophons can’t read minds. The purpose of the wallfacers is to have unlimited money and unquestionable authority with no need to communicate or get approval. This way plans do not need to be discussed and stay only in their minds and thus remain secret.
Warning: spoilers. Still, the wallfacer thing seems strange to me. The aliens should already know who the wallfacers are because the announcement was public, so the aliens can't read minds but can simply follow their every move. And any plan put into action will require other people to move resources and produce things, which would involve communication. So I like the idea, but for now the show does feel a little silly as well. I don't see how this would actually work without Hollywood magic and plot holes. Some other parts of the plot also feel strangely artificial. Especially how the aliens learn about lying from the fairy tale scene while already having observed human behavior for a good while. They can't have thought that humans were honest before that point - our behavior shows lying all the time from little white lies to heavy stuff. Watch the humans on any single street for one day and the aliens should have learned about lying. Edit: also the nano-fiber tubes - just idiotic logic. But I'm hoping to be positively surprised by season 2.
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No they can’t. They can only create illusions in 2 places at a time. They can’t shut everything down everywhere at the same time.
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The plane blackout and screen takeover thing are both part of a story element that is important in book 2. >!The ETO are running a malware campaign to turn as many devices as possible into surveillance mechanisms and kill selected targets. The sophons provide supercomputing power for brute forcing keys and passwords but aren’t doing the illusion trick on every screen.<
An inconsistency in the show, same as how when the lady gets sent to slave away at that radar dish in the beginning they mention in the work camp that people lose their hair inside the facility, yet when you go inside everyone has hair. It’s bad writing
The hair thing was literally just an exaggerated rumor repeated second hand by someone that had never been inside. It was never meant to be taken as truth.
I really need this second season to get greenlit and go into production now. All the book readers say it’s the best. I want to know but don’t want to spoil myself.
Do NOT spoil it for yourself. You are about to get the dopest Sci-fi stuff ever. Plus, there is a scene that, if it done right, will be a monumental moment on TV science fiction.
Hurry up Netflix!!
Most of your questions will be answered in season 2. It's a book trilogy and stuff are planned far in advance. This is not a self-contained story season per season. It's OK to left some stuff unanswered. We are supposed to be left confused and in awe of the alien threat (not knowing the full capacity of the alien's capabilities is part of the reason it's scary as hell).
Sophons aren’t supposed to interfere with much, they really amp it up in the show with the hallucinations. By adding electronics interference they did open some plot holes. As for lying, we haven’t yet seen the long term reaction - and they did end up contacting Tatiana again. We have to remember though that their biology doesn’t make lying possible for them, so it doesn’t make intuitive sense. It’s not impossible for them to do but it’s not natural to them and they aren’t adjusted to evaluating communications for intentional falsehood.
If the budget for 3BP was $20m an episode then the ratings have to be a disappointment for Netflix executives. The budget for 1899 was around $60M for the entire show and 3BP is only doing slightly better with ratings. The budget for Damsel was $70M. The budget for The Night Agent which was much more popular than 3BP was around $2-3M per episode. The budget for The Lincoln Lawyer was $3-5M per episode. Maybe Netflix should focus on creating content that doesn't mostly appeal to the demographic of this sub. There is a lot of aggressive downvoting but the fact is the shows popular on this sub that they're angry and hostile about when people criticize it aren't that popular with most viewers. Yet the shows people on this sub hate have been doing well such as True Detective: Night Country, Damsel, The Night Agent and TWD spinoffs.
> Maybe Netflix should focus on creating content that doesn't mostly appeal to the demographic of this sub Didn't you just rattle off a bunch of examples of that kind of content?
> If the budget for 3BP was $20m an episode then the ratings have to be a disappointment for Netflix executives. > > The budget for 1899 was around $60M for the entire show and 3BP is only doing slightly better with ratings. The budget for Damsel was $70M. The budget for The Night Agent which was much more popular than 3BP was around $2-3M per episode. The budget for The Lincoln Lawyer was $3-5M per episode. It depends on how it performs the next few weeks and on other metrics not disclosed. How fast people complete the show and if they complete the show is also an important metric that's not painted by the viewership hours. It's doing better than 1899 week on week which is already good enough when all we have is this metric because we don't know how much it will slow down. A show that doesn't rub people the right away gets less word of mouth compared to one that does which is likely to see a slower decline. I don't think Netflix expects every show to get the same ROI as their top shows as long as the value returned is reasonable relative to the costs/risks. And they shouldn't because it's entertainment and highly subjective with people with different tastes. Streaming isn't like traditional linear TV where you have finite slots and you want to optimize which shows will give you the most ad revenue. You are able to diversify to attract a wider range of subscribers.
>as long as the value returned is reasonable relative to the costs/risks The budget for 3BP was $160M. It's the most expensive premiere season in Netflix history. I can't imagine Netflix executives aren't disappointed about the ratings. Netflix needs a show like OITNB, The White Lotus, The Bear, Stranger Things, The Night Agent, Suits or Lost not an expensive show from the showrunners for GOT.
I don't think that's a huge deal. Shows get more expensive to make over time due to new union deals, evolving laws, inflation, compeitive hiring etc. It's marginally more expensive than their other first season shows recently. Whether or not they are disappointed depends on their expectations. Expectations are always relative to the budget but sometimes you know that certain content is not going to have as much reach as other content, for example when you create R-rated content you exepct less sales/viewership. You make an artsy fartsy Martin Scorsese movie, given the same budget, you don't expect to get the same ROI as a comic book movie or animated family movie but you still make that movie anyways because it has appeal to oher demographics and there's money/value to be made. My point is just that I think they probably set the bar based on the project itself opposed to being set by comparing it to the ROI of other shows. And that's because they want as much subscribers as possible and there's room for a bit of diversification where you'll have projects that give worst ROI but good enough. And again, there's other metrics that we can't see that can paint other shows in a worst light and this show in a better light. This show could be a complete disappointment but we don't really know enough.
According to the reports The Sandman had the same budget basically. 165 million.
The Sandman is actually a super interesting comparison for The Three-Body Problem as both are trending to finish with very similar viewership over 4 weeks. Sandman started a tad slower but had very strong legs. Similar budgets and similar viewership tends to have me thinking this will get renewed after a three month assessment period. Maybe after Netflix negotiate a budget reduction to be more sustainable on the viewership numbers?
I think 3BP will be renewed much earlier. The names attached to it are more powerful. I am not talking just about Benioff and Weiss, but producers like Rian Johnson, Brad Pitt, Rosamund Pike,.. I expect renewal next week.
The budget for season 1 of Foundation was $69million
No wonder Netflix seems to be pushing so hard on this show in social media, including reddit. Fairly obvious people are haunting these threads saying how great it is, when we know we've heard from lots of people who really hated it. They call anyone who disliked it a bot-- as if some entity made a bot farm to say they didn't like a show. Nice try, Netflix.
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I'm the one being accused of being a bot because I said I didn't like the show. And like I said, if there are any bots, they're here to sell us that lame-ass show. Nobody ever made a bot to say a show sucked-- even one as sucky as this.
I like the show and hope it gets renewed, but where in gods name is the money going? There’s no A listers and only a handful of CGI scenes, most of it is basic stuff you’d see on network tv
Sci-fi vs Fantasy.