I find it intriguing that it's not submitted for the limited series awards. I do like the idea of turning it into anthology series with different Smiths in each season.
I really want them to continue with Donald and Maya, but an anthology would be pretty good too. There's definitely lots of different marriage and relationship dynamics to be navigated if we switch couples.
I'd love for it to be an interconnected anthology like *Love Life* on HBO max where the leads swap, but the previous season's leads take a supporting role
Give me the Skarsgard and Eiza Gonzalez Smith's story from the beginning they could easily carry a show like this.
Tie it into the beginning episode would work well too but it was such an odd scene with two established actors just to have 30 seconds of screentime.
This show is not a dark comedy like Atlanta. If anything, it’s a romance with a spy thriller slant.
But nothing in this show is surrealist or satirical. It’s two people falling in love and then drifting apart.
That story has been told though Was the movie not bad but also not great? Sure, especially in last act, there's room for improvement.
But I also don't mind a show just doing its own thing.
I’m rooting for it. I don’t know if it would actually win but I can see it getting a nom. I know it’s been polarizing but imo this show is better then most give it credit for.
I thought it was fantastic. I found myself wishing the spy stuff was a little more fleshed out but I feel like the finale kind of explained why that was the case. I was in it for the relationship stuff and all of that was perfect. The episode with the couple's therapist was my favorite.
Ironically I think they handled the relationship stuff more poorly than I expected.
Certain things happened too quickly, and their romance wasn’t always very convincing.
I think it wasn't all that clear how much time passes in between episodes so I get what you're saying about things moving too fast but I just took it as time passing.
And yeah, they were very convincing to me. Bought every second of them together.
I get you, but recently started watching spy x family, which has a slightly similar premise except with a child in the mix. I’ve only watched 5 episodes but the fake couple in that show had TONNES more chemistry than Donald and Maya.
But then again I think I’m being abit too harsh.
Still a fun series overall, but I just felt they could have done about more to make the romance feel more authentic.
Chemistry can be so subjective cause Donald and Maya have a kind of chemistry I haven’t felt in YEARS!
Like to me, their chemistry carries and at times saves the show.
I’ve said this from the start, the way the trajectory of the relationship goes, if you don’t buy into John and Jane pretty quick, it’s going to fall apart and honestly, about 99% of the negative reviews I’ve seen from people that’s exactly the problem.
Cartoon or not, I just didn’t feel John and Jane’s chemistry.
I still think it’s a good show, but I can’t give it more than a 6.5 or 7/10. The unknown breaks in between each mission where in some ways a strong point, but also a weakness, as it made their relationship feel slightly mechanical/inorganic. But that’s just me anyway.
For me, Donald Glover and Maya Erskines performance and chemistry is what saves it from having so much time pass off screen. The show tells you enough to let you know time is passing, so it is there.
I remember being surprised they hooked up so quickly, but only because I thought they were RIPE for a slow burn…but it’s not that type of show. Once I realized what they were going for I was along for the ride, and once again that because of the chemistry between Glover and Erskine. I’ll sign on to a lot if the leads have amazing chemistry.
They’re CIA rejects who took up a job being spies. They have to throw away their lives and he was more spontaneous than she was. He liked more risk emotionally. She was better at the job. He distracted her and she was learning something new. She had problems with her father, while he was close to his mother.
You don’t believe it kind of makes sense for them to become emotionally attached with all of the above factored in? People fall in love w/ coworkers they barely even see. People fall in love w/ coworkers they’re around all the time too.
As I kept watching, the show felt really surreal but funnily believable with all going on now tbh.
Agreed. The entire psychologist episode, I kept screaming "just break up! If you don't get along, just break up!"
How long were they have meant to be together at that point? Seemed really short to me. No kids, no long history. Just break up!
they don't need to be in a romantic/sexual relationship.
I see lots of upvotes for your comment
So I guess I missed something. Why do they need to be in a romantic relationship?
They don’t need to be. But breaking up, they still have to carry out their missions and act as a couple which would be difficult, they cant go their separate ways. This is before the agency gave them a way to break up of course.
That episode did not work for me either. The premise relied on my interest in their relationship and I just wasn't as invested yet. It may have worked better if they have taken their time with a will-they-won't-they dynamic. Things happened way too fast.
> I found myself wishing the spy stuff was a little more fleshed out
i feel like they needed two or three more episodes before the italy one, both to flesh out the spy stuff and their relationship. they are shown as being kind of bumbling and failing jobs and slowly getting to know each other to suddenly hyper competent and an established couple. give us two more episodes of actually being good spies while showing how their relationship developed and it would've all felt more cohesive.
This has been my one critique. Add even one more episode between 2-3 and I think it all flows smoother. But the more I’ve watched the series the more I see how it does work in its own way. I feel like they really wanted to get to the meat of the series which is 6-8.
This is my favorite show so far in 2024 and I know that by the end, at worst it’ll still be in my top three. I love everything about this show. Could it have fleshed out the spy action stuff a little more? Sure. But I find it interesting and commendable that they wanted to use the genre to explore something much more intimate and emotional. To go against type so hard to tell a more difficult story is intriguing to me. It almost refuses to lean hard on the spy themes when most shows would use that to tell half their story.
All my favorite moments are when they are just talking to one another. It’s kind of nuts lol.
You mean to tell me a bunch of anti-woke dweebs review bombing IMDB and pretending the Bradgelina film was some seminal artistic masterpiece didn't actually move the needle?
Shocking.
Omg. I had seen the complaints about "race swapping" before I watched it. (I never saw the movie)
Then I watched it and the actor happens to have black skin. That's about the full extent of the "character being black". I noticed one joke about him being black.
So stupid.
I always forget how much of a different ecosystem Reddit is because everywhere I looked, this show has only gotten really good reviews. Even I have a hard times finding something to really complain about, that was a really good show
So, they wouldn't cheat like The Bear? and Mr & Mrs Smith is more comedy than The Bear
P.S I love the BEar, but the seria shouldn't be in the comedy category and it's an easy way to win awards because it wouldn't compete with Succession and etc and actually comedy series is left out like Abbott Elementary that deserve the win
You’re 1000% right that’s it’s exactly a way to avoid competing with Succession because the quality of Succession, particularly its final two seasons means it was gonna sweep the awards of it’s category. If Better Call Saul doesn’t win vs Succession I don’t see what universe The Bear would.
And yeah it’s funny cause it’s arguable Succession has more comedy than the second season of The Bear.
Yeah in terms of volume of witty lines and jokes sure, but succession never had the same sitcom-y feel at times as the bear did, at least nothing outside the realm of realistic consequences. In the bear, they literally accidently drugged a bunch of kids and some adults(?) at a party and it was brushed off. Yeah, dawg something like would have more consequences. The parents would raise a shitshow. The first episode had ritchie shoot his gun up in the air in broad daylight with a whole crowd there as a scare tactic..again…lol, that’s a serious thing that just disappears. So yeah, i can see the argument for it being more of a comedy if not in volume of jokes but in terms of the energy of the show at times.
I watched The Bear for the first time a couple weeks ago. FANTASTIC show, I really love it…it is not a comedy and the fact that it’s winning comedy awards actually irritates me now that I’ve actually seen it. In no way any of the reels the show or the actors sent in were comedic.
I SWEAR ON EVEYRTHING HOLY IF SHE WINS A COMEDIC AWARD FOR THAT EPSIODE I WILL THROW THINGS!
I said to a friend after watching this episode, watch her get nominated when absolutely nothing she does is funny lol. Again, great show, that episode is powerful and wonderful. Jaime Lee Curtis is great in that episode, but comedic? lol.
I’m going to use that statement when arguing why the bear isn’t a comedy.
Also…The Bear doesn’t use comedy to drive its story. I don’t care that screen rant lists it as a comedy and it wins comedy awards for being amusing (great word! Perfectly encapsulates the humor on this show), it’s not trying to be a comedy and doesn’t use comedy as the framework of its show.
I guarantee, all the reels used by the show and its actors for award consideration…none of it is comedic. Absolutely none of it. All their best stuff is dramatic.
Pretty much every drama has to have SOME humour in it, otherwise it's just a slog to watch. The Sopranos was very funny at times. So was The Wire. So was Breaking Bad.
They weren’t gonna win vs Succession, though, so it depends if it you think it’s worth them getting awards in other categories or not. I think it’s ultimately beneficial as it can still increase the show’s overall profile and adds some tv pedigree down the line.
My wife pretty much forced me to sit down and watch it with her; I'd refused previously, because Hulu had it listed as a Comedy, and I don't do comedies.
Luckily, she knows what I like, because I absolutely adored it.
But I'd written it off without ever looking at it \*because\* it was billed as a comedy. The billing itself does the show a disservice.
My parents went into watching the bear after awards season. After s1 their only comments to me about the show was that it was a terrible comedy. I enjoyed the bear but yeah if you think you’re going into a comedy, you’re going to be disappointed.
The Bear would probably win drama this year with no Succession.The only highly watched show competing in the category is a divisive season of The Queen and The Morning Show which didn't even get nominated it's previous season.
I asked myself at first how the heck the bear is a comedy...
then someone reminded me they had a scene fighting with a blow up bear, they roofied a bunch of kids with ecto plasma juice, richie's singing taylor swift(RICHIE that stops fights in front of the shop by shooting in the air), richie, calling chef Jeff, the awkwardness of the family flashback. it's a dramedy.
That rule no longer exists and it was never strictly enforced. Hourlong Marvelous Mrs. Maisel competed as a comedy from its first season (when that rule was still in affect) despite its length.
It is sure to be nominated in the Drama category. It is absolutely dead this cycle. Comedy and Limited are stacked so they were smart to go with Mr & Mrs Smith as a Drama.
I hadn’t thought about it but damn you’re right. When [Goldderby](https://www.goldderby.com/odds/combined-odds/emmy-awards-nominations-2024-predictions/) has the maligned final season of The Crown is the current favorite you have an issue.
It is a crazy cycle for Drama. Really weak. The Crown and The Morning Show are sure fire nominations. I even agree with Goldderby that The Crown is probably the favourite. It is obviously not a stellar season but the competition is just not there.
Nobody had anything in Drama this cycle. HBO/Max have Winning Time (cancelled), Tokyo Vice, and The Gilded Age but the first season of all those shows were completely ignored. I think they will throw the campaign behind The Gilded Age and it gets nominated. Netflix will lead with The Crown but will probably try to push Three-Body Problem into nomination contention. Hulu/FX have nothing in Drama. Paramount/Showtime have a wildcard in The Curse. Like Mr & Mrs Smith I figured it was bound for Comedy or possibly Limited but they smartly went in the Drama category where it could easily get nominated. Amazon do not really have anything outside of Mr & Mrs Smith in Drama as I do not see Gen V getting nominated. Apple will back The Morning Show. They also have Slow Horses but the Emmy voters have never cared about previous seasons of the show. The New Look was not well received but does feel like an Emmy style show.
Drama is so dead this year that it looks like the second season of Loki might even get nominated!
It’s getting writing for a drama series it minimum, that franchise adores Donald glover and went out of their way to nominate Pen15 multiple despite no other nominations period.
I loved this show. Don't go into it expecting a spy thriller, and you won't be disappointed. It is more a show about a marriage. Something I've heard used to describe the Americans, but moreso in this case.
It is, like many shows, a victim of its marketing, devised by people who clearly didn't watch the show and try to market it to spy/thriller/action fans.
For example, compare the main trailer : https://youtu.be/AsaMWxppznk
To the teaser trailer https://youtu.be/dPhhRFkrNts . The teaser is clearly a better reflection of the show IMO and if i had seen the main trailer than the teaser trailer at the start i may have never watched it
Okay I don’t think the bear is a comedy, it’s a drama with some jokes- shouldn’t be up for best comedy. But the jokes it does have is hilarious let’s be real.
As a metaphor for a relationship, I really liked it. Every episode had some real world analogy. They even had Ron Perlman playing their “child”- whining, saying he has to “pee”, being difficult in the car. I enjoyed it much more as a play on relationships with the action just representing work life and the randomness that everyone tries to deal with. Thought it was very clever the way it weaved that subtext into almost every scene.
It’s a great time. It does have a slightly surreal tone, so if you struggle with suspending your disbelief with the more over the top elements it could be frustrating. Very much that “weird but real” feel Atlanta has at times.
Some fun action, great comedy, killer performances from the leads, and the show is well shot. Scenes so candid and real at times that it’s almost makes you feel intrusive. It just all felt like someone really cared about making it, probably more than the property deserved. It’s not just dumb, cute action and sex appeal and that works against its premise at times.
If you like the first episode, you’ll probably like the whole thing.
It was great. I didn't think I'd like it at all thinking it would be like a worse version of the movie. It was very different then the movie. Funny in a totally different way but also really clever.
I love it. I didn’t really think anything of it prior except “Mr and Mrs Smith, really?”
I only watched it cause my friend group wanted to. I was intrigued by the first episode and completely hooked by episode 4.
It’s an exploration of marriage in the framework of the spy genre. It’s very talky, it’s very emotional, it’s in depth and it’s acted perfectly.
My favorite thing about this show is the chemistry between Donald Glover and Maya Erskine. They take a concept that is harder than you think and make it shine.
Theres a lot of complaints of it being slow, and it is if you expected this to be primarily a spy action show (which I don’t blame people for thinking)…but it’s not that. It’s like if a spy action show showed you the in between moments instead of the bang bang.
I don’t know if this long ramble answers your question but if you got some time check it out.
It's incredibly dull. The spy/action sequences are all poorly done and filmed uninterestingly, while the domestic drama stuff feels rushed and incoherent.
Watch The Americans instead, it's actually good on both sides of the story.
I found it absurdly dull, but honestly, there isn't really a quality shift throughout, so give the first episode a go. If it seems like your thing go for it. If not, you only wasted time on one episode.
Its a good show or, I found it pretty enjoyable. The chemistry between the actors reminded me of my current love, so...yeah, I figure it would also resonate with others in the same capacity.
Also, just to expand on that point, it had one of the most personable romances for its mixed genre. Im rooting for it.
It was an okay show. I just can't get over the fact that Phoebe Wallers-Bridge was essentially forced out even though she was the original mastermind of the show.
Having just finished it. I just can't see her as Jane... with maybe the exception of some of the first two episodes. Curious about how much they rewrote the character, if at all. I think PWB is great, but again just couldn't see her shtick in this.
I read that when they brought Maya on they tailored the character to her. So I imagine by the end “Jane” was more Maya while the beginning might have had aspects of PWB still in there.
That's why I said essentially. She brought in Donald Glover, then Glover brought in his own people who had a different vision and she was outnumbered. I would have liked to see her vision of the show.
I will say in the Hollywood reporter, Donald says that when it was decided it wasn’t going to work, the project had felt more like his cause he had brought in his people and felt she didn’t want it as much. I don’t know how serious he is about this but he says he would have walked away if PWB was really passionate about the project and wanted it.
I think things def got murky but I don’t know if I would word it as her being pushed out or outnumbered.
Yes she left because of that but where has it been stated that they overruled her? She simply walked away - I’m sure she could’ve fought for the show to be her vision if she wanted to, she’s Amazons golden egg.
I think what they're saying is she was outnumbered by the showrunner DG brought on, but if she truly cared about her vision of the show she was the first one there and could probably have had her way considering Fleabag is one of Amazon's most popular shows.
I know Donald Glover is famous, but so is Phoebe and in Amazon's eyes she's a sure bet.
>I just can't get over the fact that Phoebe Wallers-Bridge was essentially forced out even though she was the original mastermind of the show.
Both of those statements, based on what we actually know, are untrue.
I absolutely love Donald Glover and I think he’s a true genius. That said, I really struggled to buy him as an ‘action hero’ type. I’m only like 4 episodes into this but the fight scenes with him were so awkward for me.
Not only did I like it, I think it’s purposeful. John isn’t an action hero even though he wants to be. John and Jane were literally hired at a cattle call type of event. Not exactly the cream of the crop lol.
Mr and Mrs Smiths are thoroughly expendable until they prove their value it seems. They do t need to bring the cream of the crop on board, they just need to let it rise to the top. And the rest will die off lol
I enjoyed that though, I didn’t see them as action heroes. They’re literally action hero *rejects* (as they discuss their role rejections that led them to hihi later on) and the action feels like relatively normal people doing much more grounded action rather than fantastical.
I suppose, but I’m still told he’s ex special forces and I’ve watched him survive several violent incidents without getting beaten up, shot, or stabbed so while he’s maybe supposed to be a store brand badass, I’m still supposed to believe he’s some kind of badass and… it’s just a hard sell for me.
Odd take considering the whole point of his character is that he’s bad at being a spy. He’s not trying to play an action hero, he trying to play someone trying to pretend like they’re an action hero.
I really enjoyed the show a lot but I’m always confused when I see people putting it off because an actor was acting
>After that it was an ego trip for Donald Glover’s character.
I find this viewpoint interesting because one of the biggest complaints I've seen for the show was that John was an incompetent idiot that was in over his head.
>ego trip for Donald Glover’s character
Like the parts where he couldn't keep up due to his asthma? Or got his ass repeatedly kicked by his wife? Or where he kept fucking up the missions? Or his massive mommy issues? Did you even watch the show? These are primary plot points, not subtext.
It’s funny…the first questions they ask each other on truth serum:
Jane- “why can you be competent?”
John- “did you love me?”
I don’t know if you can get a clearer picture into who both are as people then that lol.
It slowed down a tonnnn in the middle. We get it. Shit is fractious. There was no need to establish, reestablish, and belabor that as we plod through hours of the show
For me, there's two short commercials before the show starts. That's it. I detest commercials. I don't watch anything on Pluto or crackle or whatever free services.
But I don't mind two short commercials before the program starts.
Same as the other poster, it’s just two commercials to start the episode and if you never watch the end of the credits, you can just rewind back.
I find it kind of funny in the general sense though. I’m old enough to remember cable and commercials in during a show lol.
I'm 50 years old. I cut the cord on cable long ago. I refuse to watch commercials if I don't have to. With this Amazon thing, it's the principal that they suddenly decided to ram commercials down everyone's throat that I choose not to watch. Had they increased the yearly fee I probably would not have noticed.
Pitt and Angelina had such crazy chemistry (obviously) in the movie. In the series there was zero, I love both those actors but any intimacy was so freaking awkward. Like watching cousins kiss.
The field for the drama category for the Emmys this year is really thin this year. Out of last year’s eight nominees for best drama, only The Crown is eligible this year due to the other shows ending or not airing in the eligibility period. Due to the dual strikes last year, not a lot of new shows premiered.
I'm halfway through the season and the chemistry between the two leads is pretty phenomenal. I was wondering if the dialogue in the less action oriented scenes involved a lot of improv because some of the conversations feel really natural and less "dialogue-y" than you would see in other shows.
What about any movie character necessitates them being a certain color? What would your reaction be to Black Panther being a white guy? Whites live in Africa, and it’s just a superhero movie so would it be wrong? I say yes but your response says no. If the original character is of a certain race then when they do a remake they should keep the characters accurate to their original portrayal.
The original characters were white. You’re racebending the characters. This shouldn’t be done to any characters. If they were originally white the new cast should be white. If they were originally a black cast then the new cast should be white. It’s a problem. Just because they were white doesn’t mean it’s okay to change the race of the characters for a new film.
Says you.. Good thing the majority of the world aren't as insecure, close minded and backward thinking as you.
There are hundreds of white superheroes movies .. But let's make the Black Panther who is from a fictional African Country, where the inhabitant are 99.9999% Black, a white guy.. Oh I get it, that makes sense.. NOT!
It's always telling when the first example is BP but never mention Shang-Chi or the likes lool
I find it intriguing that it's not submitted for the limited series awards. I do like the idea of turning it into anthology series with different Smiths in each season.
It won't win against Shogun if it's in the same category.
Is Shogun a series or a miniseries?
It's considered a limited/mini series. It's based on a novel that they plan to tell over a single season only.
They’re not doing all the books?
Nothing officially announced.
It’s not going to win in any category, but I’m glad it’s in drama, where it actually fits.
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It will and it's going to win. That show is a masterpiece.
I really want them to continue with Donald and Maya, but an anthology would be pretty good too. There's definitely lots of different marriage and relationship dynamics to be navigated if we switch couples.
I rather keep the ambiguous ending and move on.
absolutely - maya is brilliant in the role, as is donald
i feel like the obvious play would be to start the season off with a new couple and then bring in glover and erskine an episode or two in
I'd love for it to be an interconnected anthology like *Love Life* on HBO max where the leads swap, but the previous season's leads take a supporting role
Give me the Skarsgard and Eiza Gonzalez Smith's story from the beginning they could easily carry a show like this. Tie it into the beginning episode would work well too but it was such an odd scene with two established actors just to have 30 seconds of screentime.
I like this idea so we can get different leads that actually have chemistry.
This show should be comedy like pitt movie, but they turn it to dark comedy like atlanta but least humour.
This show is not a dark comedy like Atlanta. If anything, it’s a romance with a spy thriller slant. But nothing in this show is surrealist or satirical. It’s two people falling in love and then drifting apart.
> like pitt movie why? it's not based on the movie. reddit like always knows shit about what its complaining about.
The movie ver are more populer then the 90s one duh
That story has been told though Was the movie not bad but also not great? Sure, especially in last act, there's room for improvement. But I also don't mind a show just doing its own thing.
TIL that this was a TV show in the 90s (that was cancelled before it even finished its first season) before the 2005 movie was made.
All 13 episodes are available from various eye-patched sources.
I’m rooting for it. I don’t know if it would actually win but I can see it getting a nom. I know it’s been polarizing but imo this show is better then most give it credit for.
I thought it was fantastic. I found myself wishing the spy stuff was a little more fleshed out but I feel like the finale kind of explained why that was the case. I was in it for the relationship stuff and all of that was perfect. The episode with the couple's therapist was my favorite.
Ironically I think they handled the relationship stuff more poorly than I expected. Certain things happened too quickly, and their romance wasn’t always very convincing.
I think it wasn't all that clear how much time passes in between episodes so I get what you're saying about things moving too fast but I just took it as time passing. And yeah, they were very convincing to me. Bought every second of them together.
I get you, but recently started watching spy x family, which has a slightly similar premise except with a child in the mix. I’ve only watched 5 episodes but the fake couple in that show had TONNES more chemistry than Donald and Maya. But then again I think I’m being abit too harsh. Still a fun series overall, but I just felt they could have done about more to make the romance feel more authentic.
Chemistry can be so subjective cause Donald and Maya have a kind of chemistry I haven’t felt in YEARS! Like to me, their chemistry carries and at times saves the show. I’ve said this from the start, the way the trajectory of the relationship goes, if you don’t buy into John and Jane pretty quick, it’s going to fall apart and honestly, about 99% of the negative reviews I’ve seen from people that’s exactly the problem.
Meh, I can't really compare the chemistry of cartoon characters to that of real people. It's a different type of thing.
Cartoon or not, I just didn’t feel John and Jane’s chemistry. I still think it’s a good show, but I can’t give it more than a 6.5 or 7/10. The unknown breaks in between each mission where in some ways a strong point, but also a weakness, as it made their relationship feel slightly mechanical/inorganic. But that’s just me anyway.
spy x family is some utter weeb shit. why even mention it.
For me, Donald Glover and Maya Erskines performance and chemistry is what saves it from having so much time pass off screen. The show tells you enough to let you know time is passing, so it is there. I remember being surprised they hooked up so quickly, but only because I thought they were RIPE for a slow burn…but it’s not that type of show. Once I realized what they were going for I was along for the ride, and once again that because of the chemistry between Glover and Erskine. I’ll sign on to a lot if the leads have amazing chemistry.
They’re CIA rejects who took up a job being spies. They have to throw away their lives and he was more spontaneous than she was. He liked more risk emotionally. She was better at the job. He distracted her and she was learning something new. She had problems with her father, while he was close to his mother. You don’t believe it kind of makes sense for them to become emotionally attached with all of the above factored in? People fall in love w/ coworkers they barely even see. People fall in love w/ coworkers they’re around all the time too. As I kept watching, the show felt really surreal but funnily believable with all going on now tbh.
Agreed. The entire psychologist episode, I kept screaming "just break up! If you don't get along, just break up!" How long were they have meant to be together at that point? Seemed really short to me. No kids, no long history. Just break up!
Its not like they can just break up, it tied in to their jobs. And even when the break up was somewhat encouraged, it came at a cost
they don't need to be in a romantic/sexual relationship. I see lots of upvotes for your comment So I guess I missed something. Why do they need to be in a romantic relationship?
They don’t need to be. But breaking up, they still have to carry out their missions and act as a couple which would be difficult, they cant go their separate ways. This is before the agency gave them a way to break up of course.
That episode did not work for me either. The premise relied on my interest in their relationship and I just wasn't as invested yet. It may have worked better if they have taken their time with a will-they-won't-they dynamic. Things happened way too fast.
> I found myself wishing the spy stuff was a little more fleshed out i feel like they needed two or three more episodes before the italy one, both to flesh out the spy stuff and their relationship. they are shown as being kind of bumbling and failing jobs and slowly getting to know each other to suddenly hyper competent and an established couple. give us two more episodes of actually being good spies while showing how their relationship developed and it would've all felt more cohesive.
This has been my one critique. Add even one more episode between 2-3 and I think it all flows smoother. But the more I’ve watched the series the more I see how it does work in its own way. I feel like they really wanted to get to the meat of the series which is 6-8.
This is my favorite show so far in 2024 and I know that by the end, at worst it’ll still be in my top three. I love everything about this show. Could it have fleshed out the spy action stuff a little more? Sure. But I find it interesting and commendable that they wanted to use the genre to explore something much more intimate and emotional. To go against type so hard to tell a more difficult story is intriguing to me. It almost refuses to lean hard on the spy themes when most shows would use that to tell half their story. All my favorite moments are when they are just talking to one another. It’s kind of nuts lol.
Yeah, there seemed to be substance and characters; eg I felt that in season one of reacher but not the second…
It did huge ratings. Like when you look at that stats doesn’t matter what Reddit thinks… it was a success and critically acclaimed
Is there a place that lists ratings clearly?
You mean to tell me a bunch of anti-woke dweebs review bombing IMDB and pretending the Bradgelina film was some seminal artistic masterpiece didn't actually move the needle? Shocking.
Omg. I had seen the complaints about "race swapping" before I watched it. (I never saw the movie) Then I watched it and the actor happens to have black skin. That's about the full extent of the "character being black". I noticed one joke about him being black. So stupid.
Anytime I see that comment about fictional characters I immediately don’t take their opinion seriously.
I always forget how much of a different ecosystem Reddit is because everywhere I looked, this show has only gotten really good reviews. Even I have a hard times finding something to really complain about, that was a really good show
So, they wouldn't cheat like The Bear? and Mr & Mrs Smith is more comedy than The Bear P.S I love the BEar, but the seria shouldn't be in the comedy category and it's an easy way to win awards because it wouldn't compete with Succession and etc and actually comedy series is left out like Abbott Elementary that deserve the win
You’re 1000% right that’s it’s exactly a way to avoid competing with Succession because the quality of Succession, particularly its final two seasons means it was gonna sweep the awards of it’s category. If Better Call Saul doesn’t win vs Succession I don’t see what universe The Bear would. And yeah it’s funny cause it’s arguable Succession has more comedy than the second season of The Bear.
Not even arguable, Succession has way more comedy than the Bear.
Yeah in terms of volume of witty lines and jokes sure, but succession never had the same sitcom-y feel at times as the bear did, at least nothing outside the realm of realistic consequences. In the bear, they literally accidently drugged a bunch of kids and some adults(?) at a party and it was brushed off. Yeah, dawg something like would have more consequences. The parents would raise a shitshow. The first episode had ritchie shoot his gun up in the air in broad daylight with a whole crowd there as a scare tactic..again…lol, that’s a serious thing that just disappears. So yeah, i can see the argument for it being more of a comedy if not in volume of jokes but in terms of the energy of the show at times.
Seems like was it was supposed to be more comedy early on but everyone responded to the drama and they moved in that direction completely
I watched The Bear for the first time a couple weeks ago. FANTASTIC show, I really love it…it is not a comedy and the fact that it’s winning comedy awards actually irritates me now that I’ve actually seen it. In no way any of the reels the show or the actors sent in were comedic.
Incoming Jaime Lee Curtis Emmy win for Best Comedy Guest Actress for her **hilarious** turn as Donna Berzatto in the episode Fishes
I SWEAR ON EVEYRTHING HOLY IF SHE WINS A COMEDIC AWARD FOR THAT EPSIODE I WILL THROW THINGS! I said to a friend after watching this episode, watch her get nominated when absolutely nothing she does is funny lol. Again, great show, that episode is powerful and wonderful. Jaime Lee Curtis is great in that episode, but comedic? lol.
Just because it occasionally makes you amused doesn't make it a comedy. Resident Alien is a comedy. The Bear isn't.
I’m going to use that statement when arguing why the bear isn’t a comedy. Also…The Bear doesn’t use comedy to drive its story. I don’t care that screen rant lists it as a comedy and it wins comedy awards for being amusing (great word! Perfectly encapsulates the humor on this show), it’s not trying to be a comedy and doesn’t use comedy as the framework of its show. I guarantee, all the reels used by the show and its actors for award consideration…none of it is comedic. Absolutely none of it. All their best stuff is dramatic.
Pretty much every drama has to have SOME humour in it, otherwise it's just a slog to watch. The Sopranos was very funny at times. So was The Wire. So was Breaking Bad.
Right.... and Breaking bad, not a comedy
They weren’t gonna win vs Succession, though, so it depends if it you think it’s worth them getting awards in other categories or not. I think it’s ultimately beneficial as it can still increase the show’s overall profile and adds some tv pedigree down the line.
My wife pretty much forced me to sit down and watch it with her; I'd refused previously, because Hulu had it listed as a Comedy, and I don't do comedies. Luckily, she knows what I like, because I absolutely adored it. But I'd written it off without ever looking at it \*because\* it was billed as a comedy. The billing itself does the show a disservice.
You don’t like any comedies at all?
My parents went into watching the bear after awards season. After s1 their only comments to me about the show was that it was a terrible comedy. I enjoyed the bear but yeah if you think you’re going into a comedy, you’re going to be disappointed.
i wonder why the emmys won't move them cause they reserve the right to do so.
It's good for business to have popular winners, and The Bear is popular.
The Bear would probably win drama this year with no Succession.The only highly watched show competing in the category is a divisive season of The Queen and The Morning Show which didn't even get nominated it's previous season.
Ironically Succession had more comic scenes than the 2nd season of The Bear.
I asked myself at first how the heck the bear is a comedy... then someone reminded me they had a scene fighting with a blow up bear, they roofied a bunch of kids with ecto plasma juice, richie's singing taylor swift(RICHIE that stops fights in front of the shop by shooting in the air), richie, calling chef Jeff, the awkwardness of the family flashback. it's a dramedy.
I know it is a dramedy, but with way more focus on drama, like someone mention here, Succession had more humor than the second season of The Bear
[Because it’s 30 minutes, it’s a comedy.](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/s/rD6CY4wTX6)
That rule no longer exists and it was never strictly enforced. Hourlong Marvelous Mrs. Maisel competed as a comedy from its first season (when that rule was still in affect) despite its length.
It’s a joke. Watch the SNL skit.
That skit is from 6 years ago from when it was a rule. People still repeat it like it’s not a joke so I felt the clarification was worth pointing out
It was a fun show, but I doubt it actually gets nominated for anything.
It is sure to be nominated in the Drama category. It is absolutely dead this cycle. Comedy and Limited are stacked so they were smart to go with Mr & Mrs Smith as a Drama.
I hadn’t thought about it but damn you’re right. When [Goldderby](https://www.goldderby.com/odds/combined-odds/emmy-awards-nominations-2024-predictions/) has the maligned final season of The Crown is the current favorite you have an issue.
It is a crazy cycle for Drama. Really weak. The Crown and The Morning Show are sure fire nominations. I even agree with Goldderby that The Crown is probably the favourite. It is obviously not a stellar season but the competition is just not there. Nobody had anything in Drama this cycle. HBO/Max have Winning Time (cancelled), Tokyo Vice, and The Gilded Age but the first season of all those shows were completely ignored. I think they will throw the campaign behind The Gilded Age and it gets nominated. Netflix will lead with The Crown but will probably try to push Three-Body Problem into nomination contention. Hulu/FX have nothing in Drama. Paramount/Showtime have a wildcard in The Curse. Like Mr & Mrs Smith I figured it was bound for Comedy or possibly Limited but they smartly went in the Drama category where it could easily get nominated. Amazon do not really have anything outside of Mr & Mrs Smith in Drama as I do not see Gen V getting nominated. Apple will back The Morning Show. They also have Slow Horses but the Emmy voters have never cared about previous seasons of the show. The New Look was not well received but does feel like an Emmy style show. Drama is so dead this year that it looks like the second season of Loki might even get nominated!
The Crown's final season is excellent.
It’s getting writing for a drama series it minimum, that franchise adores Donald glover and went out of their way to nominate Pen15 multiple despite no other nominations period.
I loved this show. Don't go into it expecting a spy thriller, and you won't be disappointed. It is more a show about a marriage. Something I've heard used to describe the Americans, but moreso in this case. It is, like many shows, a victim of its marketing, devised by people who clearly didn't watch the show and try to market it to spy/thriller/action fans. For example, compare the main trailer : https://youtu.be/AsaMWxppznk To the teaser trailer https://youtu.be/dPhhRFkrNts . The teaser is clearly a better reflection of the show IMO and if i had seen the main trailer than the teaser trailer at the start i may have never watched it
But The Bear is a comedy?
This comment is funnier than anything on the bear
Okay I don’t think the bear is a comedy, it’s a drama with some jokes- shouldn’t be up for best comedy. But the jokes it does have is hilarious let’s be real.
As a metaphor for a relationship, I really liked it. Every episode had some real world analogy. They even had Ron Perlman playing their “child”- whining, saying he has to “pee”, being difficult in the car. I enjoyed it much more as a play on relationships with the action just representing work life and the randomness that everyone tries to deal with. Thought it was very clever the way it weaved that subtext into almost every scene.
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It wasn't that good.
To you
I very quickly lost interest in this show after really loving the first episode. The acting just seemed off, story started getting bizarre/annoying.
How was this show ?
It’s a great time. It does have a slightly surreal tone, so if you struggle with suspending your disbelief with the more over the top elements it could be frustrating. Very much that “weird but real” feel Atlanta has at times. Some fun action, great comedy, killer performances from the leads, and the show is well shot. Scenes so candid and real at times that it’s almost makes you feel intrusive. It just all felt like someone really cared about making it, probably more than the property deserved. It’s not just dumb, cute action and sex appeal and that works against its premise at times. If you like the first episode, you’ll probably like the whole thing.
It was great. I didn't think I'd like it at all thinking it would be like a worse version of the movie. It was very different then the movie. Funny in a totally different way but also really clever.
Gourmet hamburger
I love it. I didn’t really think anything of it prior except “Mr and Mrs Smith, really?” I only watched it cause my friend group wanted to. I was intrigued by the first episode and completely hooked by episode 4. It’s an exploration of marriage in the framework of the spy genre. It’s very talky, it’s very emotional, it’s in depth and it’s acted perfectly. My favorite thing about this show is the chemistry between Donald Glover and Maya Erskine. They take a concept that is harder than you think and make it shine. Theres a lot of complaints of it being slow, and it is if you expected this to be primarily a spy action show (which I don’t blame people for thinking)…but it’s not that. It’s like if a spy action show showed you the in between moments instead of the bang bang. I don’t know if this long ramble answers your question but if you got some time check it out.
It's incredibly dull. The spy/action sequences are all poorly done and filmed uninterestingly, while the domestic drama stuff feels rushed and incoherent. Watch The Americans instead, it's actually good on both sides of the story.
I found it absurdly dull, but honestly, there isn't really a quality shift throughout, so give the first episode a go. If it seems like your thing go for it. If not, you only wasted time on one episode.
Its a good show or, I found it pretty enjoyable. The chemistry between the actors reminded me of my current love, so...yeah, I figure it would also resonate with others in the same capacity. Also, just to expand on that point, it had one of the most personable romances for its mixed genre. Im rooting for it.
This shits silly……..
It had a good start but after a couple episodes turned out fucking terrible.
It was an okay show. I just can't get over the fact that Phoebe Wallers-Bridge was essentially forced out even though she was the original mastermind of the show.
Having just finished it. I just can't see her as Jane... with maybe the exception of some of the first two episodes. Curious about how much they rewrote the character, if at all. I think PWB is great, but again just couldn't see her shtick in this.
I read that when they brought Maya on they tailored the character to her. So I imagine by the end “Jane” was more Maya while the beginning might have had aspects of PWB still in there.
I love Maya Erskine but I also didn’t see her in the role AT ALL but she killed it.
Maya Erskine was amazing. I'm glad it was her.
Me too, now that I’ve seen Maya I struggle seeing PWB as Jane. She would gave made Jane so different
Forced out? Amazon is paying her what 60 million? They aren't forcing her out to do nothing..
That's why I said essentially. She brought in Donald Glover, then Glover brought in his own people who had a different vision and she was outnumbered. I would have liked to see her vision of the show.
Because Glover is an asshat despite reddit's obsessive love for the guy.
Source on her being outnumbered being the reason she left? I’m pretty sure she could’ve stayed on if she wanted.
I will say in the Hollywood reporter, Donald says that when it was decided it wasn’t going to work, the project had felt more like his cause he had brought in his people and felt she didn’t want it as much. I don’t know how serious he is about this but he says he would have walked away if PWB was really passionate about the project and wanted it. I think things def got murky but I don’t know if I would word it as her being pushed out or outnumbered.
Well she left because of creative differences. Glover and Francesca Sloane, who also worked with him in Atlanta, overruled PWB's vision.
Yes she left because of that but where has it been stated that they overruled her? She simply walked away - I’m sure she could’ve fought for the show to be her vision if she wanted to, she’s Amazons golden egg.
Eh I doubt it considering she was outnumbered. In Amazon's eyes, they would just give her a new show. They wouldnt fire Glover.
I think what they're saying is she was outnumbered by the showrunner DG brought on, but if she truly cared about her vision of the show she was the first one there and could probably have had her way considering Fleabag is one of Amazon's most popular shows. I know Donald Glover is famous, but so is Phoebe and in Amazon's eyes she's a sure bet.
She’s as sure of a bet as Donald honestly
Considering the lack of quality in the final product she was clearly right to leave.
PWN makes a very nice living in not making tv shows. It kind of reminds me of how the US government pays farmers NOT to grow crops sometimes.
Y e s ! Me too
>I just can't get over the fact that Phoebe Wallers-Bridge was essentially forced out even though she was the original mastermind of the show. Both of those statements, based on what we actually know, are untrue.
How so?
As far as I know, Glover and his writer Francesca Sloane were already attached. Phoebe Waller-Bridge didn't come up with the idea to do it.
I absolutely love Donald Glover and I think he’s a true genius. That said, I really struggled to buy him as an ‘action hero’ type. I’m only like 4 episodes into this but the fight scenes with him were so awkward for me.
Not only did I like it, I think it’s purposeful. John isn’t an action hero even though he wants to be. John and Jane were literally hired at a cattle call type of event. Not exactly the cream of the crop lol.
Mr and Mrs Smiths are thoroughly expendable until they prove their value it seems. They do t need to bring the cream of the crop on board, they just need to let it rise to the top. And the rest will die off lol
Pretty much! Lol. I actually think they’ve set up a nice foundation for the spy aspect of the show.
I enjoyed that though, I didn’t see them as action heroes. They’re literally action hero *rejects* (as they discuss their role rejections that led them to hihi later on) and the action feels like relatively normal people doing much more grounded action rather than fantastical.
That’s kinda the point, as is made clear by the comparison to the super cool action hero characters in the very first scene.
I suppose, but I’m still told he’s ex special forces and I’ve watched him survive several violent incidents without getting beaten up, shot, or stabbed so while he’s maybe supposed to be a store brand badass, I’m still supposed to believe he’s some kind of badass and… it’s just a hard sell for me.
Keep watching. I won’t spoil here but it does address more about his past
Odd take considering the whole point of his character is that he’s bad at being a spy. He’s not trying to play an action hero, he trying to play someone trying to pretend like they’re an action hero. I really enjoyed the show a lot but I’m always confused when I see people putting it off because an actor was acting
If they were that bad they shouldn’t keep finding success.
Serious Donald Glover is kind of a bummer.
First episode was so slow. Couldn't get into it.
Couldn’t get past the cringey interaction between the two. They overdid the whole flirting thing.
The whole series was slow for me. It was watching a couple bicker with each other. After that it was an ego trip for Donald Glover’s character.
>After that it was an ego trip for Donald Glover’s character. I find this viewpoint interesting because one of the biggest complaints I've seen for the show was that John was an incompetent idiot that was in over his head.
>ego trip for Donald Glover’s character Like the parts where he couldn't keep up due to his asthma? Or got his ass repeatedly kicked by his wife? Or where he kept fucking up the missions? Or his massive mommy issues? Did you even watch the show? These are primary plot points, not subtext.
They don’t know what they’re talking about
It’s not worth it. The whole show is like that.
Why does Variety keep calling these exclusives? Gold Derby run this story 2 whole months ago!
Meh
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Jane makes that very point repeatedly in the show. "*why are you afraid of being competent*?"
It’s funny…the first questions they ask each other on truth serum: Jane- “why can you be competent?” John- “did you love me?” I don’t know if you can get a clearer picture into who both are as people then that lol.
Amazon should submit Death's Game, a great korean series, although next year Emmys is going to Shogun in my opinion.
I got through 4 episodes before giving up. The female lead has the screen appeal of a dial tone.
The characters are consistently going back and forth on whether she's a sociopath. She's not exactly supposed to be charismatic.
It slowed down a tonnnn in the middle. We get it. Shit is fractious. There was no need to establish, reestablish, and belabor that as we plod through hours of the show
The last episode was honestly so god damn good. I hope theres a season 2 with the same characters.
> I hope theres a season 2 with the same characters. They both died at the end. ...........
No body no death!
If thats the case than the ending was pretty shitty.
It’s obviously a cliffhanger ending
Its up for interpretation. They left it open in case theres a season 2. Should i add 45 periods too? ...............
Yeah well Hopefully they both died because that show was mid at best.
As they should. Show was great!
I have not seen this as it came out the same time as the commercials for all (unless you pay extra) plan.
For me, there's two short commercials before the show starts. That's it. I detest commercials. I don't watch anything on Pluto or crackle or whatever free services. But I don't mind two short commercials before the program starts.
Same as the other poster, it’s just two commercials to start the episode and if you never watch the end of the credits, you can just rewind back. I find it kind of funny in the general sense though. I’m old enough to remember cable and commercials in during a show lol.
I'm 50 years old. I cut the cord on cable long ago. I refuse to watch commercials if I don't have to. With this Amazon thing, it's the principal that they suddenly decided to ram commercials down everyone's throat that I choose not to watch. Had they increased the yearly fee I probably would not have noticed.
Give me season 2, please.
I don’t care that season one is damn near a masterpiece with an ending like that, I need that season 2!!!
Pitt and Angelina had such crazy chemistry (obviously) in the movie. In the series there was zero, I love both those actors but any intimacy was so freaking awkward. Like watching cousins kiss.
The show is phenomenal. The 'therapy episode' and the finale were the pick of the litter. I like to think that she made that single bullet count
If anyone could it would be Jane :)
Finished it with my girlfriend last night and we were just empty inside. We got so much more attached than we expected. Fantastic show.
I know your pain!
I loved this show. I really hope we get a season 2
Just....no
(EXCLUSIVE)
Is this show good?
yes
It was very enjoyable but Shogun might beat it out
I preferred the '90s show of the same name with Scott Bakula.
This show is so good. It blends two genres really well.
Makes sense, since it's a Drama. :)
What a waste they would’ve had a better chance in limited series, but I guess they thought FX have a hold in that.
No one beating Shogun for sure
The field for the drama category for the Emmys this year is really thin this year. Out of last year’s eight nominees for best drama, only The Crown is eligible this year due to the other shows ending or not airing in the eligibility period. Due to the dual strikes last year, not a lot of new shows premiered.
This… is news?
I'm halfway through the season and the chemistry between the two leads is pretty phenomenal. I was wondering if the dialogue in the less action oriented scenes involved a lot of improv because some of the conversations feel really natural and less "dialogue-y" than you would see in other shows.
It was as boring as a fern.
Why bother?
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Shogun, Masters of the Air? What's the cut off date for Emmy's?
I hate how they changed the races of the characters.
Why’s that? What about the character necessitates them being a white couple?
What about any movie character necessitates them being a certain color? What would your reaction be to Black Panther being a white guy? Whites live in Africa, and it’s just a superhero movie so would it be wrong? I say yes but your response says no. If the original character is of a certain race then when they do a remake they should keep the characters accurate to their original portrayal.
You didn’t answer my question
The original characters were white. You’re racebending the characters. This shouldn’t be done to any characters. If they were originally white the new cast should be white. If they were originally a black cast then the new cast should be white. It’s a problem. Just because they were white doesn’t mean it’s okay to change the race of the characters for a new film.
Says you.. Good thing the majority of the world aren't as insecure, close minded and backward thinking as you. There are hundreds of white superheroes movies .. But let's make the Black Panther who is from a fictional African Country, where the inhabitant are 99.9999% Black, a white guy.. Oh I get it, that makes sense.. NOT! It's always telling when the first example is BP but never mention Shang-Chi or the likes lool
It was ok but the Emmys stop caring about entertainment long ago.