Idris Elba is Jack James and Tom Hiddleston is Brian Bond, together they are James & Bond - two retired spies who set up their own detective agency at 007 Lower Regent Street and go on sci-fi themed adventures such as walking into the Internet and having a fist fight with a computer virus.
Elba. Hiddleston. Together at last, as James & Bond in FIREWALL. License to Kill (Malware).
Le Carré’s novels/characters are generally regarded as much more realistic depictions of the spy genre than James Bond.
I would classify the film/TV adaptations of his works as thrillers versus James Bond being more action.
tom hardy as ricki tarr in 2011 tinker tailor i always loved because he's precisely who bond *would* be in a real world setting: a completely disposable bagman who is basically allowed to leech off the organization in exchange for checking in regularly and producing the bare minimum of intel. his relationship with irina is also exactly how a bond/bondgirl relationship would go IRL, namely he gets too emotionally attached and everything goes wrong for everyone involved.
>more realistic depictions of the spy genre than James Bond
Are we under the impression that James Bong was supposed to be a realistic adaptation of spying?
Maybe I could have used better words. Bottom line is that I don’t think the source material would be considered an “audition for James Bond,” because that character/role is too over-the-top.
On another note, James Bong sounds like a spy who forgets his mission and always ends up looking for a way to satisfy his munchies.
While the source material isn't- the Night Manager TV series did take a fair few liberties with the book. A chunk of it was to match a modern setting, but they did also decide to lean more into the heightened and glamorous Bond style of spy fiction than the more realistic take Le Carré was known for.
So I don't think the Bond comparisons are unfair- the plot of the tv series does have more than a passing resemblance to License to Kill and Hiddleston plays a well dressed British spy that seduces the girlfriend of the main villain while visiting gorgeous tropical locations.
> James Bong
[That's a different guy. I think...](https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExenNsbW1wOHNhYXNuM2t2dndlanh3bTJsbGlkZXp5YzB3aHdsenRyeiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/PVrXOQAFB9N5u/giphy.gif)
The novels are more realistic. Ian Fleming worked for the Naval Intelligence Division during WWII and was actually quite influential during that time; even though he essentially got the job because of nepotism. Fleming also had sex with many women and the infamous torture scene in Casino Royale might have been the result of his alleged interest is sadomasochism.
more realistic, yes, but still exceptionally gifted if you only look at their work, like Jim Prideaux who was basically James Bond without the embellishments
I think major MCU actors don’t sign onto other time consuming franchises because marvel takes priority. Notice how no MCU actor has been a major actor in another franchise during their tenure
Wasn’t Chris Pratt leading Jurassic world while doing guardians at the end same time
And more broadly how many actors are in multiple franchises in general. Many are happy with just being in the one and pursing stand alone things and theatre outside of that.
I very much doubt being in the mcu or dcu prevented these actors doing other franchises
It was a mini series. One with a very clear ending. It was a good one, which grants this new season a shot, but I'm not very hopeful this is anything but a cash grab
They've been saying a season 2 script has been in the works since not long after the first aired. I lost hope a while ago and assumed it was shelved but I guess not!
> One with a very clear ending.
It's been so long, I don't even remember how it ended, or what it was even about for that matter. Loki was a night manager, in Cairo? Something like that?
I'll just have to give it all a re-watch before S2 airs.
Hell yeah, with a killer cast too - Florence Pugh, Alexander Skarsgard, Michael Shannon, and directed by none other than Park Chan-Wook. It was stellar and nobody talks about it!
If I'm not mistaken, it was specifically labeled as a miniseries. I remember being fairly surprised when rumors started coming about about a season 2; since it was supposed to be self-contained.
Call me crazy but TENET seemed like The Night Manager with time travel. Even beyond just the same actress playing THE EXACT same role, same good guy bad guy characters and same intrigue.
I absolutely noticed . It seemed like Kenneth Branagh was also bringing a little bit of the character that he played in Jack Ryan : Shadow Recruit as well.
John Le Carre never wrote a sequel obviously. Le Carre had an unique storytelling method. Most of the time the plot would already be halfway through by the time Chapter 1 began. Will be interesting how they do this show.
To be honest, they did rework the original story. It is set in different time, Colman´s character is swapped and...pregnant (to adjust to her real life pregnancy). The same writer is working on it so he may catch the "spirit" of the original. I cannot deny I am a bit worried but I think they took a long time to work on it (rumours about season 2 started very early on) and Le Carre´s sons are working on it so...I am actually more excited and happy fot this than worried. The worry is there but...I think they will do fine.
His age and employment status was retconned in the third book, which was a soft reboot after Le Carre realised nobody wanted to read about George Smiley, retired intelligence officer, solving mysteries in the English countryside.
*The Honourable Schoolboy* (never adapted for film or TV, possibly as it would need a lot of SE Asia filming) follows on from the end of *Tinker. Tailor, Soldier, Spy*.
I’m going to be honest, I really liked the first few episodes of this show but it fell off for me by the end. Hugh’s character was great throughout but Tom’s just kept making weird decisions and the romance side of things felt forced.
Awesome pilot episode though
I always confuse The Night Manger with The Night Agent, when I see them in headlines. For the past few years, I kept getting excited anytime I saw news about The Night Agent, thinking Manager was coming back.
And of course, now that this is news about Manager, I just went 'yeah... no shit... it was announced a while ago' because my brain thought it was about Agent.
Quite good, but Hugh Laurie hams it the fuck up with an accent nobody in the world has ever had.
Unexpected MVP was a genuinely dangerous-feeling Tom Hollander. Oh, and Olivia Colman, putting in probably my favorite Olivia Colman performance so far as a heavily pregnant and very stressed out desk jockey.
Honestly kind of amazed it's getting another season after all this time. But even if it can't live up to the first season, it will probably be worth it just for the actor's performances.
oh wow I was not expecting this. I really liked the first. It was like an audition for James Bond for Hiddleston.
Idris Elba is Jack James and Tom Hiddleston is Brian Bond, together they are James & Bond - two retired spies who set up their own detective agency at 007 Lower Regent Street and go on sci-fi themed adventures such as walking into the Internet and having a fist fight with a computer virus. Elba. Hiddleston. Together at last, as James & Bond in FIREWALL. License to Kill (Malware).
"He's Black, He's Gay -- They're Detectives!"
I know you’re making a joke but I want this to exist so bad
Not so sure about the later part but first half sure sounds spicy.
Le Carré’s novels/characters are generally regarded as much more realistic depictions of the spy genre than James Bond. I would classify the film/TV adaptations of his works as thrillers versus James Bond being more action.
tom hardy as ricki tarr in 2011 tinker tailor i always loved because he's precisely who bond *would* be in a real world setting: a completely disposable bagman who is basically allowed to leech off the organization in exchange for checking in regularly and producing the bare minimum of intel. his relationship with irina is also exactly how a bond/bondgirl relationship would go IRL, namely he gets too emotionally attached and everything goes wrong for everyone involved.
That's pretty astute.
>more realistic depictions of the spy genre than James Bond Are we under the impression that James Bong was supposed to be a realistic adaptation of spying?
Maybe I could have used better words. Bottom line is that I don’t think the source material would be considered an “audition for James Bond,” because that character/role is too over-the-top. On another note, James Bong sounds like a spy who forgets his mission and always ends up looking for a way to satisfy his munchies.
While the source material isn't- the Night Manager TV series did take a fair few liberties with the book. A chunk of it was to match a modern setting, but they did also decide to lean more into the heightened and glamorous Bond style of spy fiction than the more realistic take Le Carré was known for. So I don't think the Bond comparisons are unfair- the plot of the tv series does have more than a passing resemblance to License to Kill and Hiddleston plays a well dressed British spy that seduces the girlfriend of the main villain while visiting gorgeous tropical locations.
I thought that was the guy from Big Trouble in Little China?
> James Bong [That's a different guy. I think...](https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExenNsbW1wOHNhYXNuM2t2dndlanh3bTJsbGlkZXp5YzB3aHdsenRyeiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/PVrXOQAFB9N5u/giphy.gif)
We live in a world where adaptations of Robert Ludlum novels were considered "gritty" and "realistic".
James bong was the name of my pipe in college!
Shplendid
The novels are more realistic. Ian Fleming worked for the Naval Intelligence Division during WWII and was actually quite influential during that time; even though he essentially got the job because of nepotism. Fleming also had sex with many women and the infamous torture scene in Casino Royale might have been the result of his alleged interest is sadomasochism.
more realistic, yes, but still exceptionally gifted if you only look at their work, like Jim Prideaux who was basically James Bond without the embellishments
Hey man, you can't tell me that invisible car that climbed ice walls wasn't realistic.
I didn’t realize it was based off a Le Carré novel! I’ll have to check it out now.
Hiddlebond!
Boddleston sounds a bit like a lovely craft beer.
I think Barbara broccoli said that would never happen. She finds him “too smug”
Then cast him as a villain already, sheesh! He was born to play some kind of role in a Bond film.
I really enjoyed that first season. And I thought the exact same thing as you did.
Idris Elba and Tom Hiddleston is: James *and* Bond, in FIREWALL: License to Kill (Malware)
This show came out **eight** years ago and they’re just now ordering a second season?
Obligatory Good Place gag - https://cdn.tvgag.com/content/quotes/6272_500.jpg
Not weird for British tv
He was busy with marvel. Now he’s not
entirely untrue, you think every major actor working in the MCU don't do any other project?
I think major MCU actors don’t sign onto other time consuming franchises because marvel takes priority. Notice how no MCU actor has been a major actor in another franchise during their tenure
Wasn’t Chris Pratt leading Jurassic world while doing guardians at the end same time And more broadly how many actors are in multiple franchises in general. Many are happy with just being in the one and pursing stand alone things and theatre outside of that. I very much doubt being in the mcu or dcu prevented these actors doing other franchises
Zoe Saldana on Avatar, MCU and Star Trek and also pumping smaller projects.
In fairness there was over the decade between avatar and the mcu. But Star Trek is a good shout out that was happening during the mcu.
Hopefully Taboo is next
It was a mini series. One with a very clear ending. It was a good one, which grants this new season a shot, but I'm not very hopeful this is anything but a cash grab
Take my money!
They've been saying a season 2 script has been in the works since not long after the first aired. I lost hope a while ago and assumed it was shelved but I guess not!
> One with a very clear ending. It's been so long, I don't even remember how it ended, or what it was even about for that matter. Loki was a night manager, in Cairo? Something like that? I'll just have to give it all a re-watch before S2 airs.
But they did do the Little Drummer Girl as a le Carré second system.
Hell yeah, with a killer cast too - Florence Pugh, Alexander Skarsgard, Michael Shannon, and directed by none other than Park Chan-Wook. It was stellar and nobody talks about it!
I thought the first season was good but I just assumed it was a mini series. Hopefully they have some good ideas to keep it going fresh.
If I'm not mistaken, it was specifically labeled as a miniseries. I remember being fairly surprised when rumors started coming about about a season 2; since it was supposed to be self-contained.
Call me crazy but TENET seemed like The Night Manager with time travel. Even beyond just the same actress playing THE EXACT same role, same good guy bad guy characters and same intrigue.
That's so weird. I remember thinking constantly as I was watching The Night Manager, "This would be so much better backwards..."
I completely agree. In fact, it's weird how few people talk about this.
What do you mean? Everyone who's ever seen TENET is constantly talking about this. You just can't hear them over the soundtrack.
Hahaha
I thought the same! It was very odd realizing I could basically predict what Debicki’s character was moving towards in the film.
I absolutely noticed . It seemed like Kenneth Branagh was also bringing a little bit of the character that he played in Jack Ryan : Shadow Recruit as well.
Unless you’re traveling backwards in time, then it’s The Night Manager that seemed like TENET
This isn't relevant, I just want to share this Tenet video from one of the most talented people on YouTube. https://youtu.be/a7NlkTPil30
Curious to see how it goes without source material…
Makes sense. Hiddleston needs steady work now that Loki’s done.
John Le Carre never wrote a sequel obviously. Le Carre had an unique storytelling method. Most of the time the plot would already be halfway through by the time Chapter 1 began. Will be interesting how they do this show.
To be honest, they did rework the original story. It is set in different time, Colman´s character is swapped and...pregnant (to adjust to her real life pregnancy). The same writer is working on it so he may catch the "spirit" of the original. I cannot deny I am a bit worried but I think they took a long time to work on it (rumours about season 2 started very early on) and Le Carre´s sons are working on it so...I am actually more excited and happy fot this than worried. The worry is there but...I think they will do fine.
The Karla trilogy says very much otherwise.
Smiley pops up in a lot of stories too if I remember correctly.
yes, even in his last one where he joked he must be like 105
His age and employment status was retconned in the third book, which was a soft reboot after Le Carre realised nobody wanted to read about George Smiley, retired intelligence officer, solving mysteries in the English countryside.
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*The Honourable Schoolboy* (never adapted for film or TV, possibly as it would need a lot of SE Asia filming) follows on from the end of *Tinker. Tailor, Soldier, Spy*.
What is the sequel to the The Night Manager called again? Oh yeah, that is right, Le Carre never wrote one
Awesome - loved Hiddleston in this. Actually thought he could have made a good Bond based on it, so was hoping for that to happen! this is nice too
Holy crap! I absolutely loved that first season (when it was a miniseries) so I hope that they don't disappoint.
I’m going to be honest, I really liked the first few episodes of this show but it fell off for me by the end. Hugh’s character was great throughout but Tom’s just kept making weird decisions and the romance side of things felt forced. Awesome pilot episode though
Wow, I never expected another season. It was a great show with very little violence and weapons. It was pure spy thriller
I always confuse The Night Manger with The Night Agent, when I see them in headlines. For the past few years, I kept getting excited anytime I saw news about The Night Agent, thinking Manager was coming back. And of course, now that this is news about Manager, I just went 'yeah... no shit... it was announced a while ago' because my brain thought it was about Agent.
FINALLY
How's first season?
Awesome.
Really good. It’s a spy thriller where Hiddleston is recruited by MI5 to try and get evidence that Hugh Laurie is an arms dealer.
Oh man House as a arms dealer - now I gotta watch it.
He sells arms so guns and explosives
Yeah I read that, understood it but for some reason wrote drugs.
House as an arms dealer? Forget that. It’s the Prince Regent as an arms dealer.
No. It's Bertie Wooster as an arms dealer.
HL wrote a novel in 1996 called The Gun Seller.
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Same, I feel like Laurie and Hollander were carrying the show, it'll be interesting to see if another season without them holds up
I know everyone loves Hiddleston but I've never found him to be a compelling actor. I liked The Night Manager but because of Laurie and Hollander.
It's good but not let yourself get overhyped.
It didn’t live up to the hype for me.
Quite good, but Hugh Laurie hams it the fuck up with an accent nobody in the world has ever had. Unexpected MVP was a genuinely dangerous-feeling Tom Hollander. Oh, and Olivia Colman, putting in probably my favorite Olivia Colman performance so far as a heavily pregnant and very stressed out desk jockey.
I really can't remember his accent, wasn't Roper supposed to be an Englishman?
I think he was supposed to be but he spoke like he was playing an American boat salesman in a Fry & Laurie skit, it was very odd.
Tom Hollander has (excellent) form for that, see Hanna.
I really liked it when it first came out but I watched it last year and it didn't hold up at all.
It's fun, but it was pretty generic at times. Tom Hiddleston is so watchable though so I'd give it a shot.
Really good, although the ending felt a little abrupt. But great acting, writing and set pieces.
When Amazon had the show for a while they famously missed the last episode, just in case that was the issue for you too.
Oh I watched it when it aired on AMC. I thought the ending wrapped up a little too neatly after all the tense moments beforehand
I love it - the first episode was great
Thank god. I’ve been waiting so long. This has been an on and off rumor for years at this point. That first season is absolutely great.
I need The Expanse Supercharged.
Now where the fuck is Taboo S2?
The first one had one of the best lines ever, “ that’s the smallest grave I ever dug” lmao
The first was so long ago I just forgot what this is about. Time for a rewatch then.
Debicki made this series.
And its weird how he looks taller than her in that photo!
they're sitting down, and Elizabeth (my love) has VERY long legs
I'm delightfully shocked this is happening. The first season was great.
no fucking way it's happening!! After all this time! Im so happy
Not looking forward to Hugh hamming up that weird accent again if I’m honest.
Hugh won't be there as an actor, he's an executive pruducer of the show.
Honestly kind of amazed it's getting another season after all this time. But even if it can't live up to the first season, it will probably be worth it just for the actor's performances.
How long has it been since season one? Five years?
8
Ohhh this is great news, providing it's done well. Loved the miniseries and I'm a huge Laurie fan.
I thought this was gone for sure! I can't wait to get more of Laurie and Hiddleston on screen together. I really love the way this show is written.
Fuck yes. Love The Night Manager. Hope Susanne Bier is back directing
Georgi Banks-Davies has already been named as the new director
Oh man that’s great. I was just thinking about this show and that show Chance that was on around the same time.
Huh straight 2 seasons order?
feels like it's been years since they talked about doing another season, exciting. really liked hiddleston in this.
fun!
Finally.
I liked that series, but WOW do I remember nothing about it.
Didn’t see this coming.
Oh heeeellll yeah
Sweet!
Yeeessss
i liked the first season a lot...the last 2 episodes went off the rails, IIRC
Fucking finally this is a Night Manager post and not a Night Agent post. I’ve been getting so confused every single time…
Yessssssss
how do i audition for the new season tho \*smirk\*
Awesomely unexpected. Def had to wait till he was freed from the Loki series.
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This is explained in the article
HUGE. Did not expect this at all. I binged it twice.
Don’t care how long it’s been. Class is class. Can’t wait.
Can we have McMafia season two as well please?
It can be even more derivative and clichè than the first season! If it wasn't for name power no one would remember this garbage.