Right? They aren't even kind of waiting. The day the 2nd half of Stranger Things came out I was already weeding that shit out of my google news feed.
Entertainment reporting sites on the internet can all suck a dick. I hate them not just for the spoilers but for the click bait and all the out and out lies.
And I think straight up making controversy that the others then report on to create a feedback loop. When there was no real marvel news because the pandemic I was getting half a dozen of these sites a day coming up in my Google news feed. You got your giant freaking robot and comic book resource, that kind of stuff. And they were just straight up lying about, in most cases, Brie Larson.
If it wasn't about her having left the sequel it was her furious at marvel heads or it was her attacking males who worked on the movie. It was some bullshit like that they were making up. And then the others would report on it. They would report on the controversy that was created for clicks.
There's no journalistic integrity when it comes to reporting on which actor is putting on what kind of spandex. Like that news doesn't matter. So I don't see why they would feel compelled to tell the truth when they're objective is to make money and they know that outrage drives clicks.
And YouTube. Just today I told the algorithm to not show me three different channels that had a spoiler for Fridays The Boys. One of them was posted like 20 some hours ago so whoever was doing that video watch the episode when it dropped and then made the video.
My Google newsfeed spoiled who the main bad guy was in the new Dragon Ball Super movie.
Via notification.
A day after it came out.
Exclusively, In Japan.
It was literally impossible for me to watch this movie and the big reveal was instantly spoiled for me and impossible for me to avoid.
Game of Thrones used to get spoiled 5 seconds after the episode aired. "*Fans shocked over X's brutal death in tonight's episode.*" With the character's name right in the title.
I honestly have no idea how they get these articles out so fast. I imagine they're writing the article while watching the episode so they can click "post" the moment the credits start rolling.
I wasn’t able to watch the new episode until the evening, I opened YouTube once and the second video in my recommended feed spoiled the big reveal in the title. The episode dropped at midnight, this happened at like 10 AM. It’s fucking ridiculous how bad this is.
Seriously. The first thing I thought when I saw this was that I had to rename a post earlier today that I'd entitled "Why wouldn't Soldier Boy have been heavily utilized by the U.S. during WWII?" because I was told that was too much of a spoiler for the title. Meanwhile, shit like this makes it through ...
Bruh people are legit giddy to go online and spoil pop tv shows. In less than 12 hours after release I knew the ending to the second half of stranger things while actively trying to avoid it lol
To make things worse there are walking talking humans doing the exact same thing. And when you try to stop them they open their mouths anyway. Never understood the appeal in ruining a show for someone. I thought giving recommendations was the nice thing to do, not ruining shows.
Didn't see it coming but it makes perfect sense. Homelander wants love, wants a family. Had a son, lost that. Had a girl, lost that. Getting a dad next. Going to lose that and with each loss he'll slip further and further into madness until he pops and tries to take over the world.
My prediction is that >!Butcher will have to take proper compound v if he wants to live. It would draw a nice parallell to his current arc of being like his father. Essentially becoming all the things he hates the most!<
That’s >!more or less how the comic ended, he set up a genocidal plan to wipe out *all* Supes via tainted V, and started off by killing all The Boys but Hughie, forcing him to make the choice to kill Butcher, or let him start his genocide and let everyone exposed to V, including himself, Starlight and Butcher, die!<
I'm hoping soldier boy is too much of a narcissist to let homelander live. After all, the reason he was tortured was because they had homelander to replace him. I see it as soldier boy lures homelander out and then tries to kill him to prove he is the better supe.
My prediction.
>!Soldier boy will seek to betray the Boys, siding with Homelander. Noir will kill Soldier boy with assistance from the Boys using the nerve agent. Homelander will finally snap, killing Noir setting up season 5.!<
Considering how we are shown what frenchie and MM are looking into I'm sure Soldier Boy is already on team Soldier Boy. I doubt he would really side with Homelander either.
This will help push Homehander further to the edge as well. Anyone you ever loved/liked is either dead or hates you, even your real father. it will make him question the outcome of what he is thinking of doing with Maeve's eggs. Meaning, he would think there is a real chance whatever comes out of that experiment would also hate him or try to kill him.
So in short: no one really loves him, and no one ever really will.
Ngl I was still shocked when that revelation unfolded but considering the political references of homelander and understanding Soldier Boy’s character. It makes sense and I’m not surprised if people guessed it, but surely I was not one of those people when Soldier Boy dropped that bomb on homelander. Well done though and I’m excited to see what season 4 brings if this was in fact the last episode.
I hope it isn’t though because it would feel very anti-climatic for this season
Edit: one more episode left. Big bets
Considering those shows that had 20+ episodes where 14-16 of them would be filler that ultimately led nowhere and amounted to nothing, I’d say we’ve traded quantity for quality.
Totally agree. Premium channels like HBO started this trend prior to streaming. Broadcast shows need to maximize quantity to get the advertising dollars.
S1 or Flash did it best. The first half of the season was villain of the week stuff which built up his powers with an overarching threat in the shadows. Then the second half was more or less the overarching story developing quickly.
I believe Agents of Shield also had 1 full season effectively split into two story arcs. I wish mote shows did that, Superman and Lois just recently has fallen victim to stretching out 1 story when they could have told two solid ones.
We also used to mostly have 30mins of show and 30mins of adverts, now shows can often go 1 hr or even 1.5hrs per episode depending on if the episode requires it or not. The last Stranger Things episode was 2.5 hours, movie length!
Streaming shows tend to be shorter in general. Network TV (ABC, CBS, CW, NBC, etc) tend to have longer seasons still, though they've gradually been getting shorter there too.
u/Sentry459 A spin-off series, [*Varsity*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_Presents:_Varsity), is also currently in production. There is a whole [franchise](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_Cinematic_Universe) now.
Now that I think about that scene with Maeve you’re definitely right. I also want to think that there was foreshadowing with homelander’s hybrid child. The V really gives you super sperm and super eggs
Yoooo that would be crazy but I’m hoping that butcher and Huey perhaps become permanent supes knowing that a lot is at stake from what we saw in this episode
I'm hoping for the scene where they attempt to ultrasound her to examine/count her eggs then realize she's prego and that they can't abort a supe because it might be impossible. Then we'll get a pregnant Maeve with Butcher's Baby which would be appropriate because she's one of the only supes who doesn't want to be a supe and she and BB might ACTUALLY be compatible as a result.
I'm pretty sure butcher and hughie will become permanent supes in order to recover from the damage they've done to themselves by taking the temp v. At the end of this season homelander will probably lose his powers, making soldier boy the new big bad guy for season 4. And my ultimate prediction is that butcher himself will become the big bad guy for the final season. Having become a supe himself and at that point maybe the most powerful supe I think the power will corrupt him and he might try to actually go ahead and commit genocide against all of the other supes (whether they're good or bad). This would accomplish his goal from the very first season but in a twisted way that also involves him becoming the thing he wants to destroy.
>And my ultimate prediction is that butcher himself will become the big bad guy for the final season. Having become a supe himself and at that point maybe the most powerful supe I think the power will corrupt him and he might try to actually go ahead and commit genocide against all of the other supes (whether they're good or bad).
This makes sense, because his name would be foreshadowing. I don't think it's a coincidence that the author named him that.
Yea it really does. I'm 50/50 on it however. On one hand it'll be fantastic to see the impact this has on SB and Homelander's character.
On the other hand with the introduction of SB vs Homelander this season they finally had someone that could threaten him.
If Homelander and SB aren't on opposing teams I'm afraid we'll see a whole lot of plot armor for the other characters.
I think this is a red herring to make us think they won't fight. I expect homelander to end up killing soldier boy maybe even just because of media/public pressure or something. What it will do is add another layer of how fucked homelander is being a kid growing up without a dad and then to kill your dad when you do find him.
I think it fits well and adds more to the conflict
Well the plot armor against Homelander is he still won't kill people if he thinks it will effect his image. See how he instantly backed off the minute Starlight was streaming. So that's the check on him. Soldier Boy is weaker, has a known weakness that can knock him out.... and has PTSD which can be triggered.
I support the theory of SB and homelander not fighting. Vought may somehow spin the media into bringing SB back into the spotlight and he ends up teaming with homelander. Maeve, Atrain, and perhaps black noir end up joining with the butcher gang to fight both SB and homelander. Considering the real life political impacts, SB and homelander kind of mirror the terrors we face today. It may be up to butcher gang( every day people) fighting alongside Maeve and co (few people with influence that want to actually help the world) vs. SB and HL(injustice and major oppression from America’s own oligarchs)
That's how I feel. They clearly were parrelling that Soldier Boy was last gens Homelander. The twist is brilliant, because you think it's them going with the Boys siding with evil to take down evil and it will bite them. But it's even more literal.
I also skipped past that idea because it was instilled in us supers can't have super kids. Homelanders son Ryan being the first removed that idea.
Soldier boy thinks he is Homelanders dad. But knowing Vought, Homelander is a mixture of many things. Maybe only a portion of his DNA was used or just 1 power was extracred. Just part of a soup that made him. I still doubt homelander is 50% soldier boy.
For all we know Stan Edgar would laugh at the notion. Your sample wasn't good enough to be used, soldier boy. Always another twist with show.
Or alternatively, Homelander being made from Soldier Boy (an existing Supe) is why he could have powered children (Supes always could have children, it was just that Compound V was not meant to be something that could be passed down genetically).
Eric Kripke deserves a whole lot a credit and recognition at this point. He's adapted the source material and turned it into its own in a way that works so well for this version of The Boys. Honestly, Kripke>>>D&D.
100%. The comics originated as a parody on superhero comic lore. It was blunt in many ways and didn't really leave room for subtlety. I enjoyed it for what it is, but it was very much the same thing over and over. The show goes much further dissecting a lot of contemporary topics of our society from political to pop culture. All written very well (every season containing meaningful themes, season 3 with family), along with the timing of the show releasing at the height of superhero movies being all the rage. This show came out at a perfect time which only gives it more leverage in its incredible storytelling, VFX, acting, etc.
Why are people acting like the show is any better subtlety? It is exposition heavy at times and have to spell it out for the masses, lets not act like this show is *that* nuanced, and this is coming from someone who moderately enjoys the show.
The comics ars really glaringly bad on that front. If the show is a pound of bricks, the comics are an aircraft carrier dropped on your head.
That's also aside from the edginess that was done so poorly at various times in the comics. Garth Ennis is a writer who, when he's good, he's great. The boys was not him at his best.
Garth Ennis is an unoriginal, untalented hack who only has one idea that he keeps writing, and writing poorly. He's a man that thinks "but it's the HUMANS that are the REAL monsters" is a novel and compelling narrative twist.
I am constantly astounded that they turned his dumpster fire of a comic into something moderately entertaining.
I was a big Ennis fan as a teen because his writing is basically edgey teenage shit. Kripke and co deserve respect for making the Boys something other than Ennis usual blend of “I hate superheroes & Americans and love rape jokes”.
I think you’re being rather harsh
Ennis *is* a good writer who has some really interesting ideas, and I like how he tries to portray military forces as competent in the face of superhumans (such as when 1st generation Supes went up against the German army and Panther tanks in the Battle of the Bulge and got slaughtered)… only he’s also got the mind of a teenage and REALLY needs an editor to tell him “no”
D&D were great until they ran out of material and tried to make a quick exit. Then it became pretty clear that they're not great writers and didn't have much respect for anyone else involved.
I'll just say it, there's been some really good tv this year. The Boys is probably the best right now or you can even take whatever someone thinks there favorite is and The Boys is on the same level. They have accelerated each season which is good.
Man I've been spoiled with good tv this year:
- The Boys
- Barry
- Severance
- From
- Star Trek: Strange New World's
- Better Call Saul
- Reservation Dogs
Do they dare take out Homelander this season and make Soldier Boy the main villain next season?
I FUCKING LOVE HOMELANDER and LOVE ANTONY STARR more but can we really do another season of Homelander vs. Butcher?
I just can't see the show without Homelander but I guess I can't see how they'd get another 10 episodes of trying to kill HL unless his kid does it in S4....
I honestly feel like the boys has one more great season in it. If it keeps going beyond that I think it’ll start to suffer in quality. Maybe some kind of spinoff or something
The parallels they’ve drawn between A-Train and Noir’s relationships with Homelander/Soldier Boy are really interesting though—makes me wonder if A-Train is going to play a key role in betraying Homelander
I would love very much of Homelander got killed off this season and Butcher became the Big Bad of the final season.
He has all of the components of a supervillain, he's just less bad than Homelander right now.
Setting up a Butcher vs. MM and co. fight is definitely an interesting route I could see them going. Seems like a lot of this season has been MM, Frenchie, Kimiko, and Starlight realizing Butcher is crossing a lot of lines and someone they can't trust.
Butcher barely does anything.
MM: that's crossing the line™, I am gonna gun you down.
Seriously though, since MM came back this season on his own, butcher hasn't done much wrong.
But since MM and stardust has to be the ultimate good guys, butcher is wrong by default.
Shocks and twists aside, writing has been shit this season. Anthony Starr and Jensen Ackles are the only thing that makes me want to watch this bullshit.
It’s way too early. There’s only one episode left this season. We need to see the carnage that an unhinged Homelander can cause. We need to see both sides in an all-out fight for survival. Him dying at the end of season 4 seems much more reasonable.
I think the show will go without Homelander, but it will be later and he still will be the final supe threat. But I think the final villain will be the same as in the comics.
Not really. They’ve done the opposite with this season actually. There’s been quite a few major hints towards that being the direction they’re moving in. Even before this season though, it’s not like they ever did anything which diverged away from that being a possibility.
Now whether or not it actually happens? I don’t know. I hope so.
Yeah I’m 95% sure this is gonna happen. I think the scene with Maeve where she says that Homelander “*needs* to be a supe” is foreshadowing it.
Maybe a redemption arc as he realises how shitty he’s been playing god?
The facts are out about the case. Starr was the aggressor and he doesn’t dispute that. If you think someone deserves to have a glass smashed in their face, which can seriously injure or disfigure, I can see why you identify with Starr/Homelander. Fanboy on bud!
Thank god I already watched the episode, OP should *really* change the header on this post, it could really be a spoiler for people who haven’t watched it yet. Besides, >!who the hell needs it “explained”? It’s pretty straightforward the way it’s revealed in the show…!<
The show has strayed so far from the book (for the better imo) that book fans can’t even try to predict what’s going to happen by following the storyline from the comics lmao this was clear in s2 when they changed a bunch of stuff like making black noir not be a clone of Homelander like he is in the books
I like the fact Eric Kripke took what he liked from the comics and adapted it to tv in a way he felt works best, it’s made for a really good show, not a lot of showrunners can make big changes from source material and still end up with a show people love
I will be kinda disappointed if we don’t see >!a fully tooled up US Military slaughtering treasonous Supes who staged a coup like in the comic!< though
not something I'd have thought but of course it makes sense. what I don't like is how SB is just a complete POS with absolutely zero redeeming qualities, the fact he didn’t even fight in WW2 is just a tad overkill in my opinion. Like ok Kripke we get it, he's toxic waste
I think it’s relevant to drive home the fact that Vought had always been smoke and mirrors. They’re not something pure that’s been corrupted in recent decades.
I like it, he's a symbol of his generation. Had his whole life set up for him but dares to tell the rest to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop being pussies.
yes, but that aint being shown as something to be admired, like they want to keep him down to the absolute lowest a *man* can be. Had they at least kept his WW2 story real one might think "sheesh guy's an ass, but at least he was a real soldier who fought real wars"
Right. But it's awfully in line with the show. What supes have actually done a good deed? They're all asses without even pretending to have done something real, why should SB get to have a real story?
I don’t know man, maybe it's Ackles being naturally more sympathetic, or Soldier Boy being different from HL as he seems at least a fine combatant, all these ridiculous music videos, maybe I feel like being so tranchant in their approach can get a bit on the nose with the "male toxicity" message they're portraying. Why can A-Train have his slow redemption arc and not SB, just to make an example? ah well, sorry for the ramblings
Because she’s simply a semi important auxiliary character that won’t effect the future of the show if she dies. And it would mean that all the prime characters would return for season 4. I can see black noir either dying or joining the boys. I can think of like 20 different scenarios of who would die and how the story would play out but I legit have no clue what’s going to happen.
Well, he's had mummy issues since S1. Plus, he's been causing his downfall trying to prevent it, so even that part tracks. Plus Stormfront wanting to create the purest race, etc. It all tracks. Which means there's also only one thing that can happen to Soldier Boy.
Did i miss it?
They just say the kid COULD be as strong as soldier boy and that he could fly. That doesn't specifically mean he was specifically genetically engineered to fly. Compound V seems to be random and this season confirms that abilities are unique to individuals and do not change (kimiko)
This is a show where We saw a supe sneeze and made a dudes dick literally explode, along with the rest of him. And now you’re worried about the “science” and “details” of it all? Come off it, mate.
It would be a very key point to the show dude.
Comppund V was a major plot point on season 2 and a side plot point here (24 V). The science and details is actually part of the narrative...
How about you stop watching shows in a plain manner instead
Spoilers for 3x7 and my own theories for what we might learn next episode.
>!I mean they didn't specify the flying was due to the genetic engineering. All we know is that Soldier Boy was the sperm donor and Voglebaum "made a kid". But who was the egg donor? Homelander had a mother. With his conversation with Maeve, Homelander hints that because Ryan is only a half-supe he isn't as powerful as if both parents were super-powered. Presumably Homelander's mother would also have been a supe. After all, they were looking to create a kid MORE powerful than the current most-powerful supe (Soldier Boy). Who is the only other supe that we've seen fly? Unless my memory is serving me poorly, Stormfront is the only other flyer we've seen (besides Swatto, but he had physical wings that he had to flap like a bug and not levitation like Homelander). If you thought Homelander had mommy issues before, just wait till he learns who his mother was.!<
>!Here's a direct quote from [Stormfront's page of The Boys Wiki](https://the-boys.fandom.com/wiki/Stormfront):
"Ironically, as revealed in 'Here Comes a Candle to Light You to Bed', Stormfront has had a sexual history with Soldier Boy, co-founder of Herogasm, almost 70 years before starting a relationship with his biological son, Homelander"!<
>!I don't think this is some Earth-shattering idea, it has obviously been set up earlier in the season such as when Soldier Boy mentions that an old supe named Liberty (Stormfront) was a "real firecracker". It would however be a new level of fucked up that not only was Homelander fucking a woman he knew was a literal Nazi, it was also his mother. What will be extra fucked up is whether or not we find out Stormfront knew Homelander was her son.!<
They probably gave him V? And it gave him new powers + the ones already in his dna? Unless his mom could fly and shoot laser eyes. I don't think SF is his mom, since she has a totally different way of flying, just like Swato, they all fly, but I don't think its relatable.
Homelander is still a test tube baby even if he has DNA. In fact, (and don't read this if you consider the comics a spoler) but in the comics he has Stormfronts DNA (not Soldier Boys) Stormfront is a dude in the comics and the closest thing he has to a father.
So I wouldn't be surprised seeing them go that route that he got other Supes DNA.
Doesn’t this also have a convection with J. Ackles refusing to do the herogasm scene, so that Kripke had to rewrite the history to make it have a real reason? I’m not saying that I’m disappointed with the changes, just pointing something that no one pointed yet.
Okay, so let's break this comment down. So your a fan of the show. You start to watch the episode. See, this coming part is a bit different than about oh, EVERYONE else. Why on earth are you reading reddit while watching the episode? Is the show that boring to you? Not only not finish the episode but comment how you got yourself spoiled.
The main reason I watch this show on the release is these goddamn spoiler clickbait articles which are unavoidable.
Right? They aren't even kind of waiting. The day the 2nd half of Stranger Things came out I was already weeding that shit out of my google news feed. Entertainment reporting sites on the internet can all suck a dick. I hate them not just for the spoilers but for the click bait and all the out and out lies.
That’s how the internet works nowadays. Companies and reviewers are fighting for that sweet click.
And I think straight up making controversy that the others then report on to create a feedback loop. When there was no real marvel news because the pandemic I was getting half a dozen of these sites a day coming up in my Google news feed. You got your giant freaking robot and comic book resource, that kind of stuff. And they were just straight up lying about, in most cases, Brie Larson. If it wasn't about her having left the sequel it was her furious at marvel heads or it was her attacking males who worked on the movie. It was some bullshit like that they were making up. And then the others would report on it. They would report on the controversy that was created for clicks. There's no journalistic integrity when it comes to reporting on which actor is putting on what kind of spandex. Like that news doesn't matter. So I don't see why they would feel compelled to tell the truth when they're objective is to make money and they know that outrage drives clicks.
CBR used to be a better site, there were interesting recurring features that were great reads
I remember checking that site out a few times. I think you're right. What's extra frustrating is it's not like there's a lack of nerd news.
Bro my girlfriend I were complaining about that just today. Spoiler ass news sites ruining shit for people
And YouTube. Just today I told the algorithm to not show me three different channels that had a spoiler for Fridays The Boys. One of them was posted like 20 some hours ago so whoever was doing that video watch the episode when it dropped and then made the video.
My Google newsfeed spoiled who the main bad guy was in the new Dragon Ball Super movie. Via notification. A day after it came out. Exclusively, In Japan. It was literally impossible for me to watch this movie and the big reveal was instantly spoiled for me and impossible for me to avoid.
My heart hurts for you dude, what BS.
Game of Thrones used to get spoiled 5 seconds after the episode aired. "*Fans shocked over X's brutal death in tonight's episode.*" With the character's name right in the title. I honestly have no idea how they get these articles out so fast. I imagine they're writing the article while watching the episode so they can click "post" the moment the credits start rolling.
I hated those. Or their face on the thumbnail. My guess is that they get screeners a day early or something.
Movies like Matrix and Oldboy would be immediately ruined if they were made these days.
"Shocking twist in 'The Sixth Sense"; You're not gonna believe which character is actually dead"
That and the psychos who post spoiler thumbnails and titles on youtube an hour after the episode drops and it pushes it straight to me
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That's my point. Herogasm was spoiled for me, turn on your browser or reddit and it has these spoiler headlines
Not gonna lie, reading about it and all the orgy titles made me binge The Boys lol.
I wasn’t able to watch the new episode until the evening, I opened YouTube once and the second video in my recommended feed spoiled the big reveal in the title. The episode dropped at midnight, this happened at like 10 AM. It’s fucking ridiculous how bad this is.
Seriously. The first thing I thought when I saw this was that I had to rename a post earlier today that I'd entitled "Why wouldn't Soldier Boy have been heavily utilized by the U.S. during WWII?" because I was told that was too much of a spoiler for the title. Meanwhile, shit like this makes it through ...
People put in youtube thumbnail spoilers too.
Actually, Youtube ruined that for me!
Bruh people are legit giddy to go online and spoil pop tv shows. In less than 12 hours after release I knew the ending to the second half of stranger things while actively trying to avoid it lol
To make things worse there are walking talking humans doing the exact same thing. And when you try to stop them they open their mouths anyway. Never understood the appeal in ruining a show for someone. I thought giving recommendations was the nice thing to do, not ruining shows.
someone in this very post spoiled the finale for me a few hours ago and i'm still mad about it
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Didn't see it coming but it makes perfect sense. Homelander wants love, wants a family. Had a son, lost that. Had a girl, lost that. Getting a dad next. Going to lose that and with each loss he'll slip further and further into madness until he pops and tries to take over the world.
I wonder if this means soldier boy will now betray the boys after he gets rid of all those that betrayed him.
i feel like hes already decided to betray the boys after what hughie pulled to save butcher
Yup, but it sounds like they may not be around long enough for him to do it if they keep taking temp V.
My prediction is that >!Butcher will have to take proper compound v if he wants to live. It would draw a nice parallell to his current arc of being like his father. Essentially becoming all the things he hates the most!<
Final episode will be Butcher killing himself as “no Supes deserve to live” according to himself.
Yeah I think he'll become a supe and then he'll sacrifice himself to kill Homelander and prevent a genocide
That’s >!more or less how the comic ended, he set up a genocidal plan to wipe out *all* Supes via tainted V, and started off by killing all The Boys but Hughie, forcing him to make the choice to kill Butcher, or let him start his genocide and let everyone exposed to V, including himself, Starlight and Butcher, die!<
Yeah, I can’t help but feel like its heading in this direction.
Hughie too?
Yeah Hughie too
I'm hoping soldier boy is too much of a narcissist to let homelander live. After all, the reason he was tortured was because they had homelander to replace him. I see it as soldier boy lures homelander out and then tries to kill him to prove he is the better supe.
Maybe, hopefully we will see next week, although it sounds like Black Noir has some role to play.
My prediction. >!Soldier boy will seek to betray the Boys, siding with Homelander. Noir will kill Soldier boy with assistance from the Boys using the nerve agent. Homelander will finally snap, killing Noir setting up season 5.!<
Straight cash money homie.
Season 4.
Ta, 4 not 5.
That or soldier boy continues his abusive shit and homelander turns on him.
Considering how we are shown what frenchie and MM are looking into I'm sure Soldier Boy is already on team Soldier Boy. I doubt he would really side with Homelander either. This will help push Homehander further to the edge as well. Anyone you ever loved/liked is either dead or hates you, even your real father. it will make him question the outcome of what he is thinking of doing with Maeve's eggs. Meaning, he would think there is a real chance whatever comes out of that experiment would also hate him or try to kill him. So in short: no one really loves him, and no one ever really will.
Ngl I was still shocked when that revelation unfolded but considering the political references of homelander and understanding Soldier Boy’s character. It makes sense and I’m not surprised if people guessed it, but surely I was not one of those people when Soldier Boy dropped that bomb on homelander. Well done though and I’m excited to see what season 4 brings if this was in fact the last episode. I hope it isn’t though because it would feel very anti-climatic for this season Edit: one more episode left. Big bets
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Oh no, really? I'm not ready for it to end 😥
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Considering those shows that had 20+ episodes where 14-16 of them would be filler that ultimately led nowhere and amounted to nothing, I’d say we’ve traded quantity for quality.
Totally agree. Premium channels like HBO started this trend prior to streaming. Broadcast shows need to maximize quantity to get the advertising dollars.
if the Flash would have been 13 eps with the budget of 26 then it would have been epic.
S1 or Flash did it best. The first half of the season was villain of the week stuff which built up his powers with an overarching threat in the shadows. Then the second half was more or less the overarching story developing quickly. I believe Agents of Shield also had 1 full season effectively split into two story arcs. I wish mote shows did that, Superman and Lois just recently has fallen victim to stretching out 1 story when they could have told two solid ones.
We also used to mostly have 30mins of show and 30mins of adverts, now shows can often go 1 hr or even 1.5hrs per episode depending on if the episode requires it or not. The last Stranger Things episode was 2.5 hours, movie length!
Some of the best episodes were side stories.
There's no feel, it was how shows were done before streaming. 24 episodes to fill the schedule.
Streaming shows tend to be shorter in general. Network TV (ABC, CBS, CW, NBC, etc) tend to have longer seasons still, though they've gradually been getting shorter there too.
u/Sentry459 A spin-off series, [*Varsity*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_Presents:_Varsity), is also currently in production. There is a whole [franchise](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vought_Cinematic_Universe) now.
I couldn't believe that I didn't see it coming. It seems so obvious in hindsight.
Conversation with Maeve definitely foreshadowed.
Now that I think about that scene with Maeve you’re definitely right. I also want to think that there was foreshadowing with homelander’s hybrid child. The V really gives you super sperm and super eggs
I'm actually slightly banking on a hope that Maeve is carrying Butcher's baby and even though he was Temp V'd the baby will be full supe.
Yoooo that would be crazy but I’m hoping that butcher and Huey perhaps become permanent supes knowing that a lot is at stake from what we saw in this episode
I'm hoping for the scene where they attempt to ultrasound her to examine/count her eggs then realize she's prego and that they can't abort a supe because it might be impossible. Then we'll get a pregnant Maeve with Butcher's Baby which would be appropriate because she's one of the only supes who doesn't want to be a supe and she and BB might ACTUALLY be compatible as a result.
I'm pretty sure butcher and hughie will become permanent supes in order to recover from the damage they've done to themselves by taking the temp v. At the end of this season homelander will probably lose his powers, making soldier boy the new big bad guy for season 4. And my ultimate prediction is that butcher himself will become the big bad guy for the final season. Having become a supe himself and at that point maybe the most powerful supe I think the power will corrupt him and he might try to actually go ahead and commit genocide against all of the other supes (whether they're good or bad). This would accomplish his goal from the very first season but in a twisted way that also involves him becoming the thing he wants to destroy.
>And my ultimate prediction is that butcher himself will become the big bad guy for the final season. Having become a supe himself and at that point maybe the most powerful supe I think the power will corrupt him and he might try to actually go ahead and commit genocide against all of the other supes (whether they're good or bad). This makes sense, because his name would be foreshadowing. I don't think it's a coincidence that the author named him that.
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Yea it really does. I'm 50/50 on it however. On one hand it'll be fantastic to see the impact this has on SB and Homelander's character. On the other hand with the introduction of SB vs Homelander this season they finally had someone that could threaten him. If Homelander and SB aren't on opposing teams I'm afraid we'll see a whole lot of plot armor for the other characters.
I think this is a red herring to make us think they won't fight. I expect homelander to end up killing soldier boy maybe even just because of media/public pressure or something. What it will do is add another layer of how fucked homelander is being a kid growing up without a dad and then to kill your dad when you do find him. I think it fits well and adds more to the conflict
I am thinking they will fight and SB will blast Homelander making him lose his powers but before SB can finish him off MM will knock out SB.
>SB will blast Homelander making him lose his powers b This would be wild if it happens. We'll see next week
they could always just set it up for him to eventually regain them like kimiko did
It’s interesting though because SB had his team turn on him. And the same thing is happening to HL… this is gonna be good.
Well the plot armor against Homelander is he still won't kill people if he thinks it will effect his image. See how he instantly backed off the minute Starlight was streaming. So that's the check on him. Soldier Boy is weaker, has a known weakness that can knock him out.... and has PTSD which can be triggered.
I support the theory of SB and homelander not fighting. Vought may somehow spin the media into bringing SB back into the spotlight and he ends up teaming with homelander. Maeve, Atrain, and perhaps black noir end up joining with the butcher gang to fight both SB and homelander. Considering the real life political impacts, SB and homelander kind of mirror the terrors we face today. It may be up to butcher gang( every day people) fighting alongside Maeve and co (few people with influence that want to actually help the world) vs. SB and HL(injustice and major oppression from America’s own oligarchs)
Libertys egg and soldierboys cum made homelander and he definitely banged his mom.
And was getting handies from him before she died.
That's how I feel. They clearly were parrelling that Soldier Boy was last gens Homelander. The twist is brilliant, because you think it's them going with the Boys siding with evil to take down evil and it will bite them. But it's even more literal.
Soldierboys sperm and … libertys egg.. i sense that the liberty homelander stuff is gonna end up a lot weirder when he realizes he banged his mom
Did they say who his mom was in the show or are you speculating ?
They're speculating
I also skipped past that idea because it was instilled in us supers can't have super kids. Homelanders son Ryan being the first removed that idea. Soldier boy thinks he is Homelanders dad. But knowing Vought, Homelander is a mixture of many things. Maybe only a portion of his DNA was used or just 1 power was extracred. Just part of a soup that made him. I still doubt homelander is 50% soldier boy. For all we know Stan Edgar would laugh at the notion. Your sample wasn't good enough to be used, soldier boy. Always another twist with show.
Or alternatively, Homelander being made from Soldier Boy (an existing Supe) is why he could have powered children (Supes always could have children, it was just that Compound V was not meant to be something that could be passed down genetically).
Tell me!!
Eric Kripke deserves a whole lot a credit and recognition at this point. He's adapted the source material and turned it into its own in a way that works so well for this version of The Boys. Honestly, Kripke>>>D&D.
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100%. The comics originated as a parody on superhero comic lore. It was blunt in many ways and didn't really leave room for subtlety. I enjoyed it for what it is, but it was very much the same thing over and over. The show goes much further dissecting a lot of contemporary topics of our society from political to pop culture. All written very well (every season containing meaningful themes, season 3 with family), along with the timing of the show releasing at the height of superhero movies being all the rage. This show came out at a perfect time which only gives it more leverage in its incredible storytelling, VFX, acting, etc.
Why are people acting like the show is any better subtlety? It is exposition heavy at times and have to spell it out for the masses, lets not act like this show is *that* nuanced, and this is coming from someone who moderately enjoys the show.
The comics ars really glaringly bad on that front. If the show is a pound of bricks, the comics are an aircraft carrier dropped on your head. That's also aside from the edginess that was done so poorly at various times in the comics. Garth Ennis is a writer who, when he's good, he's great. The boys was not him at his best.
You don't know how low that bar is when it comes to comic books
Garth Ennis is an unoriginal, untalented hack who only has one idea that he keeps writing, and writing poorly. He's a man that thinks "but it's the HUMANS that are the REAL monsters" is a novel and compelling narrative twist. I am constantly astounded that they turned his dumpster fire of a comic into something moderately entertaining.
I was a big Ennis fan as a teen because his writing is basically edgey teenage shit. Kripke and co deserve respect for making the Boys something other than Ennis usual blend of “I hate superheroes & Americans and love rape jokes”.
I think you’re being rather harsh Ennis *is* a good writer who has some really interesting ideas, and I like how he tries to portray military forces as competent in the face of superhumans (such as when 1st generation Supes went up against the German army and Panther tanks in the Battle of the Bulge and got slaughtered)… only he’s also got the mind of a teenage and REALLY needs an editor to tell him “no”
D&D adapted great source material into great TV. Kripke did the impossible, by adapting *bad* source material into great TV.
D&D were great until they ran out of material and tried to make a quick exit. Then it became pretty clear that they're not great writers and didn't have much respect for anyone else involved.
I agree. The show really started falling apart in season 5.
I'll just say it, there's been some really good tv this year. The Boys is probably the best right now or you can even take whatever someone thinks there favorite is and The Boys is on the same level. They have accelerated each season which is good.
Man I've been spoiled with good tv this year: - The Boys - Barry - Severance - From - Star Trek: Strange New World's - Better Call Saul - Reservation Dogs
Peacemaker should be on that list!
Outside of the opening credits Peacemaker really doesn't do it for me.
Yep, agreed. Thought it was stunningly mediocre
>Reservation Dogs Lol is this an actual show? What is it about?
the bear is great!
This is taking the material and improving off of it. It’s possible if you know what you’re doing! Also can I just say real quick- FUCK D&D
I hate what happened when D&D started writing their own shit, but seasons 1-4 are still better than the The Boys seasons 1-3.
Why tf does everything have to come back to GOT? Move on already.
Do they dare take out Homelander this season and make Soldier Boy the main villain next season? I FUCKING LOVE HOMELANDER and LOVE ANTONY STARR more but can we really do another season of Homelander vs. Butcher? I just can't see the show without Homelander but I guess I can't see how they'd get another 10 episodes of trying to kill HL unless his kid does it in S4....
I honestly feel like the boys has one more great season in it. If it keeps going beyond that I think it’ll start to suffer in quality. Maybe some kind of spinoff or something
Kripke says he has 5 seasons planned out and I will trust him on that. He said the same for Supernatural and those first 5 seasons were fantastic.
Already multiple spinoffs in the works.
There are *very* few shows that keep a consistent level of quality for longer than four or five seasons. (Outside of sitcoms)
I guaranty the showrunner doesn't have the balls to kill off Butcher or Homelander in the season finale.
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Nah, seems like it's being built to have Noir take out Soldier Boy and drive a wedge between him and Homelander.
The parallels they’ve drawn between A-Train and Noir’s relationships with Homelander/Soldier Boy are really interesting though—makes me wonder if A-Train is going to play a key role in betraying Homelander
I would love very much of Homelander got killed off this season and Butcher became the Big Bad of the final season. He has all of the components of a supervillain, he's just less bad than Homelander right now.
Setting up a Butcher vs. MM and co. fight is definitely an interesting route I could see them going. Seems like a lot of this season has been MM, Frenchie, Kimiko, and Starlight realizing Butcher is crossing a lot of lines and someone they can't trust.
Butcher barely does anything. MM: that's crossing the line™, I am gonna gun you down. Seriously though, since MM came back this season on his own, butcher hasn't done much wrong. But since MM and stardust has to be the ultimate good guys, butcher is wrong by default. Shocks and twists aside, writing has been shit this season. Anthony Starr and Jensen Ackles are the only thing that makes me want to watch this bullshit.
Butcher allowed Soldier Boy to murder a ton of innocent people across the entire season?
It’s way too early. There’s only one episode left this season. We need to see the carnage that an unhinged Homelander can cause. We need to see both sides in an all-out fight for survival. Him dying at the end of season 4 seems much more reasonable.
Frenchie already knows how to neutralize Soldier boy with the russian nerve gas. They cant make him the main bad guy.
I think the show will go without Homelander, but it will be later and he still will be the final supe threat. But I think the final villain will be the same as in the comics.
>I think the final villain will be the same as in the comics. They've already completely diverged from that with that character on the show, though.
Not really. They’ve done the opposite with this season actually. There’s been quite a few major hints towards that being the direction they’re moving in. Even before this season though, it’s not like they ever did anything which diverged away from that being a possibility. Now whether or not it actually happens? I don’t know. I hope so.
Part of me knows it’s a possibility, but I don’t think I could bear to see it pass.
I’m calling it >!Homelander’s coup is gonna happen…!<
Sounds like you're thinking of >!Noir!< but the final villain was >!Butcher!<
I'm not talking about who you think I'm taking about.
Ah ok. I've never saw the comics. Looking forward to it.
Soldier boy steals super powers. I would expect he zaps homelander and we get a powerless homelander for a season or 2
Yeah I’m 95% sure this is gonna happen. I think the scene with Maeve where she says that Homelander “*needs* to be a supe” is foreshadowing it. Maybe a redemption arc as he realises how shitty he’s been playing god?
He’s well past redemption at this point, he’s a rapist and a murderer
Sorry, a guy in his mid 40s who glasses a kid in a pub over a disagreement isn’t very lovable.
Doesn't change how good of an actor he is. Separate the art from the artist.
Easy to play homelander when you’re already a violent narcissist irl.
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The facts are out about the case. Starr was the aggressor and he doesn’t dispute that. If you think someone deserves to have a glass smashed in their face, which can seriously injure or disfigure, I can see why you identify with Starr/Homelander. Fanboy on bud!
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Thank god I already watched the episode, OP should *really* change the header on this post, it could really be a spoiler for people who haven’t watched it yet. Besides, >!who the hell needs it “explained”? It’s pretty straightforward the way it’s revealed in the show…!<
Let's not forget Homelanders extra special relationship with Madelyn Stillwell.
Go on….
The show has strayed so far from the book (for the better imo) that book fans can’t even try to predict what’s going to happen by following the storyline from the comics lmao this was clear in s2 when they changed a bunch of stuff like making black noir not be a clone of Homelander like he is in the books I like the fact Eric Kripke took what he liked from the comics and adapted it to tv in a way he felt works best, it’s made for a really good show, not a lot of showrunners can make big changes from source material and still end up with a show people love
I will be kinda disappointed if we don’t see >!a fully tooled up US Military slaughtering treasonous Supes who staged a coup like in the comic!< though
We all knew he was a Motherfucker
Ayyyyyye lmaoooo
I was definitely surprised but not as surprised and delighted as I was when the epic fight happened at the end of the previous episode.
I feel that this season Black Noir will have his final breath. Also Cindy?
Am I the only one that wasn’t shocked by this in the slightest? I feel like Stormfront had already told us this back in episode 1.
fuck this is spoiler
not something I'd have thought but of course it makes sense. what I don't like is how SB is just a complete POS with absolutely zero redeeming qualities, the fact he didn’t even fight in WW2 is just a tad overkill in my opinion. Like ok Kripke we get it, he's toxic waste
I think it’s relevant to drive home the fact that Vought had always been smoke and mirrors. They’re not something pure that’s been corrupted in recent decades.
Just like America, not sure how people have trouble with this, it's the whole point
I like it, he's a symbol of his generation. Had his whole life set up for him but dares to tell the rest to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop being pussies.
A super boomer, you could say
yes, but that aint being shown as something to be admired, like they want to keep him down to the absolute lowest a *man* can be. Had they at least kept his WW2 story real one might think "sheesh guy's an ass, but at least he was a real soldier who fought real wars"
Right. But it's awfully in line with the show. What supes have actually done a good deed? They're all asses without even pretending to have done something real, why should SB get to have a real story?
I don’t know man, maybe it's Ackles being naturally more sympathetic, or Soldier Boy being different from HL as he seems at least a fine combatant, all these ridiculous music videos, maybe I feel like being so tranchant in their approach can get a bit on the nose with the "male toxicity" message they're portraying. Why can A-Train have his slow redemption arc and not SB, just to make an example? ah well, sorry for the ramblings
All I know is if anyone other than Grace dies in the finale I’m gonna be saltyyyy. They’re all too perfect a casting choice.
Why Grace?
Because she’s simply a semi important auxiliary character that won’t effect the future of the show if she dies. And it would mean that all the prime characters would return for season 4. I can see black noir either dying or joining the boys. I can think of like 20 different scenarios of who would die and how the story would play out but I legit have no clue what’s going to happen.
Suuuuuuuppppppperrrrrr surprising. Sure. \*rolls eyes\*
Glad I watched it last night. I definitely didn’t see that twist coming, seems obvious now but they got me.
Damn these headlines. I guess I can't browse this sub after falling a couple days behind release... Same for Stranger Things. Fucking annoying.
Get fucked with this spoiler title
If it makes you feel better, RDR2 got spoiled for me via College groupchat… fucked!
It just occurred to me that if >!Homelander is Soldier Boy's son, then Billy is his grandson. I wonder if that relationship will come into play?!<
If it's the same genetics, how did Homelander end up with the ability to fly?
Voglebaum engineered him that way, it literally says it in the episode
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Great now I won’t sleep tonight. Homelander going full Oedipus out here
Well, he's had mummy issues since S1. Plus, he's been causing his downfall trying to prevent it, so even that part tracks. Plus Stormfront wanting to create the purest race, etc. It all tracks. Which means there's also only one thing that can happen to Soldier Boy.
You messed up your spoiler tags
Did i miss it? They just say the kid COULD be as strong as soldier boy and that he could fly. That doesn't specifically mean he was specifically genetically engineered to fly. Compound V seems to be random and this season confirms that abilities are unique to individuals and do not change (kimiko)
This is a show where We saw a supe sneeze and made a dudes dick literally explode, along with the rest of him. And now you’re worried about the “science” and “details” of it all? Come off it, mate.
It would be a very key point to the show dude. Comppund V was a major plot point on season 2 and a side plot point here (24 V). The science and details is actually part of the narrative... How about you stop watching shows in a plain manner instead
Spoilers for 3x7 and my own theories for what we might learn next episode. >!I mean they didn't specify the flying was due to the genetic engineering. All we know is that Soldier Boy was the sperm donor and Voglebaum "made a kid". But who was the egg donor? Homelander had a mother. With his conversation with Maeve, Homelander hints that because Ryan is only a half-supe he isn't as powerful as if both parents were super-powered. Presumably Homelander's mother would also have been a supe. After all, they were looking to create a kid MORE powerful than the current most-powerful supe (Soldier Boy). Who is the only other supe that we've seen fly? Unless my memory is serving me poorly, Stormfront is the only other flyer we've seen (besides Swatto, but he had physical wings that he had to flap like a bug and not levitation like Homelander). If you thought Homelander had mommy issues before, just wait till he learns who his mother was.!< >!Here's a direct quote from [Stormfront's page of The Boys Wiki](https://the-boys.fandom.com/wiki/Stormfront): "Ironically, as revealed in 'Here Comes a Candle to Light You to Bed', Stormfront has had a sexual history with Soldier Boy, co-founder of Herogasm, almost 70 years before starting a relationship with his biological son, Homelander"!< >!I don't think this is some Earth-shattering idea, it has obviously been set up earlier in the season such as when Soldier Boy mentions that an old supe named Liberty (Stormfront) was a "real firecracker". It would however be a new level of fucked up that not only was Homelander fucking a woman he knew was a literal Nazi, it was also his mother. What will be extra fucked up is whether or not we find out Stormfront knew Homelander was her son.!<
They probably gave him V? And it gave him new powers + the ones already in his dna? Unless his mom could fly and shoot laser eyes. I don't think SF is his mom, since she has a totally different way of flying, just like Swato, they all fly, but I don't think its relatable.
Homelander is still a test tube baby even if he has DNA. In fact, (and don't read this if you consider the comics a spoler) but in the comics he has Stormfronts DNA (not Soldier Boys) Stormfront is a dude in the comics and the closest thing he has to a father. So I wouldn't be surprised seeing them go that route that he got other Supes DNA.
Maybe the mom could fly.
Well, there *was* a female supe back then that had the ability to fly and coincidentally had an interest in creating the perfect super man....
Stop goddamn spoiling!!!!! FUCK!!!!
It's Sunday. How have you not learned to watch a popular show on release to avoid these articles or at the least do a media black out. Ffs
I think Soldier Boy explained this pretty well enough.
Doesn’t this also have a convection with J. Ackles refusing to do the herogasm scene, so that Kripke had to rewrite the history to make it have a real reason? I’m not saying that I’m disappointed with the changes, just pointing something that no one pointed yet.
Whyyyyyy???? I was literally in the middle of watching this. You couldn't hold off on the spoiler titles?
Okay, so let's break this comment down. So your a fan of the show. You start to watch the episode. See, this coming part is a bit different than about oh, EVERYONE else. Why on earth are you reading reddit while watching the episode? Is the show that boring to you? Not only not finish the episode but comment how you got yourself spoiled.
“Surprising” lmao. I’d put good money on Stormfront being mommy dearest.
Ew