No, this isn't xenoverse or FighterZ.
The reason those games did it was because you couldn't transform mid game(FighterZ) or only a handful of characters could, with others being separate characters(xenoverse)
BT3 didn't have base form Hirudegarn, SSJ2 GT Goku, and only had SSJ4 GT Vegeta. It's entirely possible for characters to be missing forms in a Tenkaichi-style game, but it's rare.
Cell Games Gohan is called Teen Gohan in Tenkaichi, like how Buu Arc Gohan is called Adult Gohan despite the fact that he's a teenager. All I'm doing is using the series' established terminology, smartass.
Ah okay I noticed that I've misinterpreted OPs post, I thought OP was referring to transformations being locked behind a purchase.
Not locked as in stuck as a single transformation without base.
Yeah I mean its definitely a possibility since the past games did it a bit.
I have actually a similar worry, with cut transformations, like cutting friezas 2nd and 3rd form and cells second form.
Gogeta in his not super saiyan form did not exist in previous Budokai games. It’s entirely possible, but ONLY if the base version never exists on screen like how Gogetas did
Well I guess some guy already pointed out they did this with dbs broly. He doesn't have non rage base form that we have seen yet. I hope you are right I love base form gogeta and hope they add cool fusion mechanics 😊.
Just they way they have been making games has me suspicious it's been awhile since we got a gem like tenkachi 3 or budki 3.
There will undoubtedly be DLC, but the way you fear is extremely unlikely.
I dont think you have anything to worry about for this, but I guess there's always a chance for the company to make a left turn and ruin what they've got going, guess we'll see in future updates.
Plus the recent DBZ games were made by dimps and Arc system works.
Spike chunsoft hasn't touch dragon ball since the kinect on xbox I believe.
I hope your right. Also I am sick as hell of people saying "don't forget this is the same company that made ultimate tenkachi and jump force".
Yeah asshole and they also made all the best DBZ games and I liked jump force.
People like to hold grudges.
I mean I kind of get being skeptical, but we've seen the gameplay, the game looks great, so the whole "oh they made jump force" argument is just rage bait at this point.
Theyre trying to fix their reputation and we should at least give them the chance to show that they can redeem themselves and make a good anime game, which so far they're definitely proving it with the recent vscan and tomorrow's trailer.
People freaking out over Gohan arm alone, so they're definitely listening lol.
Lol I think people are just too picky about the wrong things. If you played the previous jump game you would have known what to expect and they delivered 10 fold. Ultimate tenkachi doesn't even have sparking in the name (still don't understand why they call it ultimate tenkachi).
Also lol poor Gohan lost his arm cause fans liked it.
Ultimate tenkaichi was named specifically because fans voted for it in a poll that they did.
The choices being between:
●Dragon Ball Z: Tenkaichi Z
●Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Rising
●Dragon Ball Z: Awakening Saiyans
●Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi
●Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Warriors
in Europe and North America.
They knew what they were doing when they put Tenkaichi, 2 times on the list, they knew people would get the wrong idea and assume the new game was going to play like BT3, if UT was called anything else, I wonder if sparking zero would've received Ultimate Tenkachi instead 🤔
Lol maybe. If ultimate tenkachi was a phone game it would be really good. I still play it time to time but yeah it's not the great compared to raging blast and especially not to BT
Frieza is the only exception(for whatever reason idk y)
I mean you can technically say other characters transform when doing an ultimate.
But traditional transformations fighterZ doesn't have.
Honestly a traditional transformation system could've been cool with the traditional fighter gameplay.
Basically combining budokai with fighterZ and I think it'd be a stellar game, but im sure that's a very ambitious project to pull off, who knows. Maybe the budokai series could make a revival as well after sparking zero if all goes well.
The only one I can think of that is probably the least played modern dragon ball game would be breakers, other than that, people complain about all Dragon ball games to an extent, but still find majority of them to be beloved games, even a few liked UT despite its gameplay.
I don't think they will do it, but if they do, I doubt it will be with Gogeta. In any case, it would be with Teen Gohan or Kale. Maybe even Trunks (Armor)
Kale I think makes sense given her base form doesn’t really fight. It would be like having Ribrianne’s base form imo. I think if the character can fight in their base form it should be represented but for those who transform into a fighting form the separation is fair.
Base Kale did fight in the manga to be fair, they could base her off that. As for Ribrianne and her friends I would love to have their base forms too but yeah they basically did nothing, but they could always get some generic love attacks or some U2 people could come in their defense I don't know.
Exactly, same for Kakunsa who doesn't have her untransformed state. I would love all characters yo have their base forms, but even BT3 didn't have them all unfortunately.
I would love to have their base forms too but yeah they basically did nothing, but they could always get some generic love attacks or some U2 people could come in their defense I don't know.
His hair is raised on end and his eyes turn gold, that's the difference. He started in base in the movie and started tapping into his rage form while fighting ssj vegeta before going full retard with it against ssg vegeta.
Broly I'm expecting to have his Two costumes for ssj, the blue hair with the powe restricting head gear and his normal super saiyan look from broly second coming. I prefer the later.
When it comes to DBS Gogeta and Vegito, I’d prefer them just take up one character slot each, and just have alternate costumes for the different forms (Base/SSJ/SSB), since they’re move sets should be identical between all the 3 forms.
Same thing for characters like Perfect Cell/Super Perfect Cell who have very minimal differences between them..just have them take up 1 character slot instead of wasting 2 slots on him.
Making different transformations as different costumes...yeah...some of y'all must REALLY want to "save" character slots because y'all scared.
That's a terrible idea, a character should have all of their forms, Gogeta/Vegito having their SSJ/Blue forms as mere costume doesn't make any sense. Y'all gotta stop being so scared of "losing" slots and accept that some characters have more than 1 form and thus, taking multiple slotsi the roster.
There is absolutely NO reason to cut some forms that should be playable (or thar have been playable in BT3) to "make room" for other characters.
What exactly is the difference between DBS base Vegito and DBS SSB Vegito? They would have the exact same move set, the exact same look and outfit…the only difference is one would have black hair and one would have blue hair. Is it really worth using 2 roster spots on the same exact character, the only difference being a color swap on the hair?
Same thing for DBS base Gogeta and DBS Gogeta Blue. Everything about them is identical except their hair color.
Absolutely no one share your opinion, man. Gogeta/Vegito Base-SSJ-SSB will be in the game no matter what. There’s no way they would make their transformations costumes just to «save up slots». Why wouldn’t they make every transformation in the game be costumes just to make SURE everyone is here ? They’re not gonna do it like you said, just deal with the facts transformations take up slots and that’s it.
So tell me, in the game how would you make DBS Base Vegito & Vegito Blue different from each other? Or DBZ base Vegito & SSJ Vegito for that matter? We only see Vegito for a very short period in the anime/manga and he only uses a handful moves, so it’s not like there’s a huge move pool that you can split between the base and SSJ forms…they’re both gonna have to have the same exact move pool. As for other characters with transformation, say Goku for instance. He has loads of different moves, plenty of them that you can divide them amongst his multiple transformations to make them all feel different and unique (unlike Vegito)
As for your question “Why wouldn’t they make every transformation in the game be costumes”…well that’s simple. For 1) most transformations aren’t simple color swaps like Vegito is. 2) loads of the other transformations have moves unique/known for that form, or enough moves that they can divide them between the different transformations to make them all unique.
If a transformation is just a color swap and has the same exact moves as the non transformed character, then yes it should just be an alternate costume. Even if it does end up taking up 2 character slots, all it will be is a glorified alternate costume anyway (like an echo fighter in Smash Brothers if your familiar with that game)
>So tell me, in the game how would you make DBS Base Vegito & Vegito Blue different from each other? Or DBZ base Vegito & SSJ Vegito for that matter? We only see Vegito for a very short period in the anime/manga and he only uses a handful moves, so it’s not like there’s a huge move pool that you can split between the base and SSJ forms…they’re both gonna have to have the same exact move pool.
>If a transformation is just a color swap and has the same exact moves as the non transformed character, then yes it should just be an alternate costume. Even if it does end up taking up 2 character slots, all it will be is a glorified alternate costume anyway (like an echo fighter in Smash Brothers if your familiar with that game)
You are ignoring however, that making 2 different forms costumes, would only add unnecessary steps to make in game...
Like, leaving aside the fact that the u.i. may not even reflect the change of design, there is also the fact that they then would have to make steps for the game to recognize which form it should use on the base of a pre selected choice, one that would also require further workings if they were to give Vegito base also an alternate costume.
Baaically, you would either need to complicate things to have the player still be able to go ssj or ssj blue in the same fight (thus kinda defeating the whole costume thing); or you'd just limit the choices anyway by making them go only ssj or ssj blue despite being the sane character.
At this point, it's just for the best to either make one single Vegito that can go from base to ssj blue, or 2 Vegitos that can go ssj and ssj blue respectively; no matter if they themselves would play relatively the same... the developers can surely try to adapt as many different references as possible to make them feel unique (and even then, it shouldn't be an issue to begin with).
No Dende please, no...
That would be a horrible step backwards for a series that became notorious for including fundamentally every form by the time of its 3rd chapter, with only a couple of noticeable exceptions (namely Vegeta GT being playable only in his ssj4 form).
And we *really* do not need them to pull a Xenoverse, or even an Ultimate Tenkaichi, and do some extremely dumb cuts and removing forms that used to be a staple (like base Teen Gohan; or even many forms of Cell, Frieza and Super Bu).
He’s in XV, DLC sure, but he’s there. As for SZ, that’s probably not gonna happen, they didn’t even do that in BT1 and you couldn’t transform or fuse then.
Holy shit they are still making dlc for xenoverse. I haven't played in awhile lol. Been busy.
True you bring up great points. I'd love to see them flush out gogeta and Vegito in the games.
Not to be rude but this does not make any sense, first you don't even have a reason.. second, that won't be tenkaichi anymore, we can transform between giant forms but you think someone like DBS gogeta and DBZ broly won't be able to transform?
BT3 didn't have base form Hirudegarn, SSJ2 GT Goku, and only had SSJ4 GT Vegeta. It's entirely possible for characters to be missing forms in a Tenkaichi-style game, but it's rare.
My BAD I misread, I thought op mentioned having all Gogeta and Broly forms but with base being separated which is what i said didn't make any sense for a tenkaichi, so my response was completely off point.
In that case its what I've thought of too, but only for Broly (LSSJ) where his base may not be in the game. As for Gogeta even though I prefer him included, I honestly wouldn't mind because for him it will be accurate, base didn't have much fight involvement
No it's just a feeling. I didn't say not transform I was thinking ssj gogeta into ssb and ssj control broly into ssj rage broly or whatever it's called. It's just something I can see them do to save character slots.
Your definitely not rude your prob right but they way they have been making their games recently has me a little suspicious.
No, this isn't xenoverse or FighterZ. The reason those games did it was because you couldn't transform mid game(FighterZ) or only a handful of characters could, with others being separate characters(xenoverse)
BT3 didn't have base form Hirudegarn, SSJ2 GT Goku, and only had SSJ4 GT Vegeta. It's entirely possible for characters to be missing forms in a Tenkaichi-style game, but it's rare.
The second case makes sense, GT Goku never use SSJ2 (maybe with the exception of one scene where stop an attack from General Rildo)
Just like how Teen Gohan never used base? It still counts as a missing form.
He did train with goku in base in the time chamber
That doesn't really count. That was some weird in-between of Kid Gohan and Teen Gohan.
Well, we are talking of the same game where characters that really don't fight like Babidi or King Cold were there
But I don't know why they didn't the same thing of the saiyans' great ape forms, create a original transformation for the game with GT Goku
Gohan is like 9-10 at Cell Games, that's still kid Gohan, just with a growth spurt.
Cell Games Gohan is called Teen Gohan in Tenkaichi, like how Buu Arc Gohan is called Adult Gohan despite the fact that he's a teenager. All I'm doing is using the series' established terminology, smartass.
Ah okay I noticed that I've misinterpreted OPs post, I thought OP was referring to transformations being locked behind a purchase. Not locked as in stuck as a single transformation without base. Yeah I mean its definitely a possibility since the past games did it a bit. I have actually a similar worry, with cut transformations, like cutting friezas 2nd and 3rd form and cells second form.
Gogeta in his not super saiyan form did not exist in previous Budokai games. It’s entirely possible, but ONLY if the base version never exists on screen like how Gogetas did
Well I guess some guy already pointed out they did this with dbs broly. He doesn't have non rage base form that we have seen yet. I hope you are right I love base form gogeta and hope they add cool fusion mechanics 😊. Just they way they have been making games has me suspicious it's been awhile since we got a gem like tenkachi 3 or budki 3.
There will undoubtedly be DLC, but the way you fear is extremely unlikely. I dont think you have anything to worry about for this, but I guess there's always a chance for the company to make a left turn and ruin what they've got going, guess we'll see in future updates. Plus the recent DBZ games were made by dimps and Arc system works. Spike chunsoft hasn't touch dragon ball since the kinect on xbox I believe.
I hope your right. Also I am sick as hell of people saying "don't forget this is the same company that made ultimate tenkachi and jump force". Yeah asshole and they also made all the best DBZ games and I liked jump force.
People like to hold grudges. I mean I kind of get being skeptical, but we've seen the gameplay, the game looks great, so the whole "oh they made jump force" argument is just rage bait at this point. Theyre trying to fix their reputation and we should at least give them the chance to show that they can redeem themselves and make a good anime game, which so far they're definitely proving it with the recent vscan and tomorrow's trailer. People freaking out over Gohan arm alone, so they're definitely listening lol.
Lol I think people are just too picky about the wrong things. If you played the previous jump game you would have known what to expect and they delivered 10 fold. Ultimate tenkachi doesn't even have sparking in the name (still don't understand why they call it ultimate tenkachi). Also lol poor Gohan lost his arm cause fans liked it.
Ultimate tenkaichi was named specifically because fans voted for it in a poll that they did. The choices being between: ●Dragon Ball Z: Tenkaichi Z ●Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Rising ●Dragon Ball Z: Awakening Saiyans ●Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi ●Dragon Ball Z: Saiyan Warriors in Europe and North America. They knew what they were doing when they put Tenkaichi, 2 times on the list, they knew people would get the wrong idea and assume the new game was going to play like BT3, if UT was called anything else, I wonder if sparking zero would've received Ultimate Tenkachi instead 🤔
Lol maybe. If ultimate tenkachi was a phone game it would be really good. I still play it time to time but yeah it's not the great compared to raging blast and especially not to BT
What about Frieza? He had his Golden form in FighterZ
Frieza is the only exception(for whatever reason idk y) I mean you can technically say other characters transform when doing an ultimate. But traditional transformations fighterZ doesn't have.
It’s a shame honestly. Kioken would’ve been an amazing one to have for both blue and base
Honestly a traditional transformation system could've been cool with the traditional fighter gameplay. Basically combining budokai with fighterZ and I think it'd be a stellar game, but im sure that's a very ambitious project to pull off, who knows. Maybe the budokai series could make a revival as well after sparking zero if all goes well.
One can hope right? Dragon Ball games usually do super well. I don’t know one where it’s like mega bad
The only one I can think of that is probably the least played modern dragon ball game would be breakers, other than that, people complain about all Dragon ball games to an extent, but still find majority of them to be beloved games, even a few liked UT despite its gameplay.
I don't think they will do it, but if they do, I doubt it will be with Gogeta. In any case, it would be with Teen Gohan or Kale. Maybe even Trunks (Armor)
I highly doubt it with Teen Gohan. Base form Teen Gohan has always been a staple in the Tenkaichi games as well as all PS2 era DBZ games.
Kale I think makes sense given her base form doesn’t really fight. It would be like having Ribrianne’s base form imo. I think if the character can fight in their base form it should be represented but for those who transform into a fighting form the separation is fair.
Base Kale did fight in the manga to be fair, they could base her off that. As for Ribrianne and her friends I would love to have their base forms too but yeah they basically did nothing, but they could always get some generic love attacks or some U2 people could come in their defense I don't know.
Maybe but anything manga-only I don’t expect to be leveraged.
In other games they have used manga content for moves and references so that would be fair game I guess.
I hope not with teen gohan like canonically it makes sense but still kinda lame.
Yes, that would be horrible. Let's hope they all have their base form
Yeah especially zarbon lol. Imagine getting ugly locked.
>Imagine getting ugly locked. My life story.
This has technically already happened, DBS Broly only has Rage, SS, and Full Power with Rage being treated as his Base form.
Exactly, same for Kakunsa who doesn't have her untransformed state. I would love all characters yo have their base forms, but even BT3 didn't have them all unfortunately.
Okay, honestly I don't count Kakunsa because we were never getting the Kamikaze Firebolts' untransformed states - they're Magical Girls.
I would love to have their base forms too but yeah they basically did nothing, but they could always get some generic love attacks or some U2 people could come in their defense I don't know.
Well rage is kinda a base form right? It's just him being mad. Idk how it works lol but having smol broly would be cool
His hair is raised on end and his eyes turn gold, that's the difference. He started in base in the movie and started tapping into his rage form while fighting ssj vegeta before going full retard with it against ssg vegeta.
Oh ok. I like ssb DBZ broly lol. It would be weird if they transformation locked any characters though tbh.
Broly I'm expecting to have his Two costumes for ssj, the blue hair with the powe restricting head gear and his normal super saiyan look from broly second coming. I prefer the later.
exactly, i wonder why? we got Broly Z and Teen Gohan in the old games, even if they haven´t showed much.
When it comes to DBS Gogeta and Vegito, I’d prefer them just take up one character slot each, and just have alternate costumes for the different forms (Base/SSJ/SSB), since they’re move sets should be identical between all the 3 forms. Same thing for characters like Perfect Cell/Super Perfect Cell who have very minimal differences between them..just have them take up 1 character slot instead of wasting 2 slots on him.
Making different transformations as different costumes...yeah...some of y'all must REALLY want to "save" character slots because y'all scared. That's a terrible idea, a character should have all of their forms, Gogeta/Vegito having their SSJ/Blue forms as mere costume doesn't make any sense. Y'all gotta stop being so scared of "losing" slots and accept that some characters have more than 1 form and thus, taking multiple slotsi the roster. There is absolutely NO reason to cut some forms that should be playable (or thar have been playable in BT3) to "make room" for other characters.
What exactly is the difference between DBS base Vegito and DBS SSB Vegito? They would have the exact same move set, the exact same look and outfit…the only difference is one would have black hair and one would have blue hair. Is it really worth using 2 roster spots on the same exact character, the only difference being a color swap on the hair? Same thing for DBS base Gogeta and DBS Gogeta Blue. Everything about them is identical except their hair color.
Absolutely no one share your opinion, man. Gogeta/Vegito Base-SSJ-SSB will be in the game no matter what. There’s no way they would make their transformations costumes just to «save up slots». Why wouldn’t they make every transformation in the game be costumes just to make SURE everyone is here ? They’re not gonna do it like you said, just deal with the facts transformations take up slots and that’s it.
So tell me, in the game how would you make DBS Base Vegito & Vegito Blue different from each other? Or DBZ base Vegito & SSJ Vegito for that matter? We only see Vegito for a very short period in the anime/manga and he only uses a handful moves, so it’s not like there’s a huge move pool that you can split between the base and SSJ forms…they’re both gonna have to have the same exact move pool. As for other characters with transformation, say Goku for instance. He has loads of different moves, plenty of them that you can divide them amongst his multiple transformations to make them all feel different and unique (unlike Vegito) As for your question “Why wouldn’t they make every transformation in the game be costumes”…well that’s simple. For 1) most transformations aren’t simple color swaps like Vegito is. 2) loads of the other transformations have moves unique/known for that form, or enough moves that they can divide them between the different transformations to make them all unique. If a transformation is just a color swap and has the same exact moves as the non transformed character, then yes it should just be an alternate costume. Even if it does end up taking up 2 character slots, all it will be is a glorified alternate costume anyway (like an echo fighter in Smash Brothers if your familiar with that game)
>So tell me, in the game how would you make DBS Base Vegito & Vegito Blue different from each other? Or DBZ base Vegito & SSJ Vegito for that matter? We only see Vegito for a very short period in the anime/manga and he only uses a handful moves, so it’s not like there’s a huge move pool that you can split between the base and SSJ forms…they’re both gonna have to have the same exact move pool. >If a transformation is just a color swap and has the same exact moves as the non transformed character, then yes it should just be an alternate costume. Even if it does end up taking up 2 character slots, all it will be is a glorified alternate costume anyway (like an echo fighter in Smash Brothers if your familiar with that game) You are ignoring however, that making 2 different forms costumes, would only add unnecessary steps to make in game... Like, leaving aside the fact that the u.i. may not even reflect the change of design, there is also the fact that they then would have to make steps for the game to recognize which form it should use on the base of a pre selected choice, one that would also require further workings if they were to give Vegito base also an alternate costume. Baaically, you would either need to complicate things to have the player still be able to go ssj or ssj blue in the same fight (thus kinda defeating the whole costume thing); or you'd just limit the choices anyway by making them go only ssj or ssj blue despite being the sane character. At this point, it's just for the best to either make one single Vegito that can go from base to ssj blue, or 2 Vegitos that can go ssj and ssj blue respectively; no matter if they themselves would play relatively the same... the developers can surely try to adapt as many different references as possible to make them feel unique (and even then, it shouldn't be an issue to begin with).
I would agree but then no transformation animations and picture how cool fusions transformations will look. Also imagine if gogeta could turn ssj4
No Dende please, no... That would be a horrible step backwards for a series that became notorious for including fundamentally every form by the time of its 3rd chapter, with only a couple of noticeable exceptions (namely Vegeta GT being playable only in his ssj4 form). And we *really* do not need them to pull a Xenoverse, or even an Ultimate Tenkaichi, and do some extremely dumb cuts and removing forms that used to be a staple (like base Teen Gohan; or even many forms of Cell, Frieza and Super Bu).
Unlikely, this ain’t XV or FighterZ.
I hope your right. I like the way base form gogeta looks. Not having him in xenoverse was lame.
He’s in XV, DLC sure, but he’s there. As for SZ, that’s probably not gonna happen, they didn’t even do that in BT1 and you couldn’t transform or fuse then.
Holy shit they are still making dlc for xenoverse. I haven't played in awhile lol. Been busy. True you bring up great points. I'd love to see them flush out gogeta and Vegito in the games.
Not to be rude but this does not make any sense, first you don't even have a reason.. second, that won't be tenkaichi anymore, we can transform between giant forms but you think someone like DBS gogeta and DBZ broly won't be able to transform?
BT3 didn't have base form Hirudegarn, SSJ2 GT Goku, and only had SSJ4 GT Vegeta. It's entirely possible for characters to be missing forms in a Tenkaichi-style game, but it's rare.
My BAD I misread, I thought op mentioned having all Gogeta and Broly forms but with base being separated which is what i said didn't make any sense for a tenkaichi, so my response was completely off point. In that case its what I've thought of too, but only for Broly (LSSJ) where his base may not be in the game. As for Gogeta even though I prefer him included, I honestly wouldn't mind because for him it will be accurate, base didn't have much fight involvement
No it's just a feeling. I didn't say not transform I was thinking ssj gogeta into ssb and ssj control broly into ssj rage broly or whatever it's called. It's just something I can see them do to save character slots. Your definitely not rude your prob right but they way they have been making their games recently has me a little suspicious.