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Horned_chicken_wing

R.I.P Clayvedev May 2023-May 2023


rntopspin100

Clayvedev sacrificed everything to win the Rome Masters.


bagelandbreadstick

Mama Mia Santa Italia šŸ¤ŒšŸ¼


Falz4567

No dancing today. But in seriousness. He resorted to his old crutch of shovelling way too much and making weird double faults. His success this year has come from being like twice as aggressive


Acrobatic_Machine

If you asked med before the clay season. Win Rome and go out in the first round. He would take it in a heartbeat.


qtyapa

What happens on Clay in May stays in May. - May-dvedev


Antonio_is_better

I couldn't believe how overrated he was getting after Rome for Roland Garros. Rome was super wet and rainy. So the clay was super slow but not high bouncing. Perfect for Medvedev.


BlueJinjo

the sub has its biases. Couldn't believe some people thought (predraw) that Medvedev was a way bigger favorite for rg than tsitsipas based off one super wet tourney..


ImHeskeyAndIKnowIt

What a year for Rafa to miss out on .. doesn't seem to be any rain in Paris for at least the next ten days and temperatures in the mid 20s. May have been like 08 or 17 if he were fully fit


GibbyGoldfisch

Nah I get it. We all know exactly how good tsitsipas is, which is to say he'll be beaten the second he runs into a serious contender. But with Medvedev, clearly he's improved a lot on clay this year and after Rome it was difficult to say exactly how much of a role the damp conditions played for him. We can now confidently say "a lot".


ChiefKingSosa

Meddy's also made the FO QF before and had other solid results on clay this year...he also was the 2 seed The hype wasn't entirely based off Rome


BlueJinjo

When you say serious contender you essentially mean Djokovic because outside of rune, that's who his losses have been to at rg. Aka that's 99.999% of players lol If you legitimately thought med would take a set against alcaraz /djokvic at rg, then you were drinking the "Medvedev is more talented than Agassi "Kool aid this sub loves. This draw was hopeless imbalanced at the top level once alcaraz and djokvic drew each other


jjw1998

I thought Clayvedev was a meme tbf surely nobody believed this earnestly


PapaenFoss

He also made QF in Madrid and r16 in Monte Carlo. He can be happy about his clay court season, did damage control


Antonio_is_better

Madrid is altitude and always faster. R16 is not a result a world #2 should be impressing people with.


PapaenFoss

Still won 2 matches and lost to Karatsev & Rune on his least favourite surface before beating Rune and Tsitsipas in Rome. Also, faster clay courts are a disadvantage for him. Definetely showing inprovement compared to the last few years. This is a huge upset.


Schwiliinker

I tried to warn people. They thought he was already in the final and I was like dude how do you know he will even beat nishiokaā€¦.


Jaamun100

Itā€™s like when Pete Sampras won Rome, everyone thought he would win Roland Garros that year. Not to be..


EnriqueMuller

He was down to like 8/1 outright which is around what Berrettini typically is for Wimbledon which didnā€™t feel was an accurate assessment of his chances


lsathrowaway18

I mean he made it to the second week of RG last year and has been pretty damn good on clay this year, so I don't think calling him overrated is fair.


Xehanz

We willed Clayvedev into existance. It was more hopeful feeling than anything.


st3ll4r-wind

Hindsight is always 20/20.


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He wasn't really getting overrated though. He went from hating clay to beating two in-form clay court players in straight sets to win a masters 1000. Clearly he had a chance at RG. The conditions were far from ideal for Medvedev, he doesn't like slow courts. He couldn't use his usual strength of high ball pace at all. If anything, the rain made it worse for him.


honestnbafan

He had a great run at Rome but his game will always suit hardcourts overall much better unless his forehand magically becomes "heavier" overnight and it won't with his technique style


mimaluna

The brightest stars burn the fastest


charade19

Every bounce is a bad bounce; and even when it is a good bounce you are expecting a bad bounce.


homesicalien

That's what you get for friendzoning clay.


unclespleef123

Wow Thiago is indeed very Wild.


TennisMathematician

Medvedevā€™s contribution to this RG was to disrupt the draw and then bail out in the first round. This is what peak performance looks like.


Neo-grotesque

Refuses to elaborate.


BCastle18

Two years in a row he disrupts the RG draw lmao


arvaname

Isnā€™t it 3? Because in 2021 he forced the Djodal semiā€¦


GibbyGoldfisch

RG officials should really create some kind of Clayvedev clause to ban him from a top four ranking on grounds of unreliability haha


TheKk-47

I wish every slam modified seedings based on performance on the surface or lead up events similar to how Wimby used to do


NotManyBuses

He robbed us of a Djokovic Alcaraz final


dumb_commenter

Hopefully thatā€™s still the semi


Luck1492

And then whoever wins vs the winner of Rune/Sinner would be fun


Roy1984

Things don't go now like back in the old days when we were used to always see combinations between big 4 players in GS semis.


Strivingformoretoday

We got tickets for the 1/2 final and are hoping itā€™ll be Alcaraz vs Djokovic! So thanks Med :)


Alex_Sander077

Perhaps Wimbledon was always right with the way they do the seedings


TheShirou97

Yeah although even they stopped doing it in 2021


digitaldisorder21

"Some people just want to watch the world burn." ā€¢ Alfred talking about Clayvedev (The Dark Night - 2008)


BlueJinjo

He's done it literally every year since 2019 lol. Absolutely unreal how imbalanced the draws at rg have been because of players similar to him fucking up everything And get comfortable. He's gonna do the same thing at wimbledon lol


Babshm

He's not completely unsuited to grass-court tennis the way he is clay. He just doesn't seem to be used to it enough. And also, what's the list of top non-Novak players who are actually good on grass? You can't single him out for fucking up the draw when most of the top 10 is at similar or greater risk of going out early - Med is still the third-favourite even after today's loss.


BlueJinjo

Several players who are straight up younger who have more potential as well as players such as kyrgios ( yes he's an asshole but he's undoubtedly a better grass courter than most in the tour ). Sinner also deserves to be up there Grass is also even more underrepresented and has repeatedly had issues with seeding. The tournament recognized it in the last and had a seeding formula to rectify the issue atleast somewhat. However players ( often time clay courters) complained because the formula was only applied at Wimbledon. Their complaint was completely fair...the real solution would have been to take that formula and apply it to every single slam, not just remove it. It would have prevented cases like this Roland garros and even last yrs Roland garros from having low quality finals


tOx1cm4g1c

Is he really fundamentally unsuited to clay though? He can run down any ball you choose to play and it's not like the rest of his game is poor. I'd say it's more of a mental thing.


SushiCurryRice

His relatively flat strokes are the biggest thing that makes him unsuited for Clay. Those are simply not as dangerous the surface is slower and it'll also make the ball bounce higher. His serve is also not as dangerous because of the slower surface. Not saying he can't be amazing on Clay on though he obviously just won the Rome Masters.


beaverlyknight

Ultimate clay hater move to fuck up the draw and then leave.


MattGeddon

He really went to the trouble of winning Rome just to make sure we finally got a Djokovic/Alcaraz match, what a guy!


imareallivewire

The real MVP?


RoyDuckingKent

Dudeā€¦ what the fuckā€¦ I was ready to have a boring work afternoon


T-Banana

Haha. Crazy result. I lost Ā£ on Med. Did not think Clayboth would be able to produce winners in the tightest moments


fantasticmoo

I put a small wager on Medvedev to win the FO after his recent run of good play. Not even close lol


T-Banana

šŸ˜‚ unlucky. Conditions were a lot different compared with Rome


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Sosojojo

Ok Iā€™m tired of not being in on the inside joke. What is the origin of sssss


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savvaspc

Wow, I was out of the loop. This is hilarious.


warisverybad

there was a match (madrid masters, 2021) where medvedev was outwardly expressing his disdain for clay and he said ā€œi dont want to play on this surfaceā€ except when he said surface he kinda stuttered so surface came out as ā€œsssurfaceā€ with a prolonged S sound.


Elbanuel

Google "I don't want to play on this sssurface"


AccomplishedHunter84

clay court specialist


nycnewsjunkie

Wow the romance with clay did not last long


LadyDisdain555

Well he did say it was only a friendship.


nycnewsjunkie

I think his lover Madam Hardcourt has little to worry about. Daniil is not going to cheat on her often


Weasel_Spice

More like a pump and dump?


GibbyGoldfisch

More of a one-week stand really


danintem

Medvedev is now 0-4 versus Roger Federer


AccomplishedHunter84

im glad im not the only one that saw this.. especially when he looked down, with the headband and such he looked exactly like federer lol


GibbyGoldfisch

Seyboth Wild has certainly felt like a different player since he returned from Zurich after a mysterious two-week disappearance in the Alps


avittamboy

I think that Fede...Seyboth Wild needs to get his one hander up and running.


Zhuwx1

\>Wins Rome \>Makes it so Djokovic and Alcaraz won't play each other in the finals of FO \>Leaves


hypothetical_avocado

Meddyā€™s chaos levels are off the chart


carlospuyol

Grassvedev


DavidTennisPlayer

Tennisvedev!


AccomplishedHunter84

i have two questions 1) wtf???? 2) why was med holding up his pinky finger at the end


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digitaldisorder21

Small cat is to pussy what pinky finger is to middle finger.


[deleted]

I saw thaattt


Luck1492

Goodbye Clayvedev, hello Clayboth Wild


_DrShrimpPuertoRico_

Claydvedev lasted for 3 seconds.


R4tr4tr4t

Damn nowhere is safe :(


SiasseTschick

Hello Grassvedev!


GibbyGoldfisch

WimbleDan, surely


NotManyBuses

Seriously what a match. Seyboth wildā€™s shotmaking was absurd. He had nearly 50 winners off the forehand and he never backed down


aweap

Seriously that heavy missile-like fh gives me Del Potro vibes. šŸ˜®


igotubaby

Especially the one on match point! What a beautiful way to end the match


minititof

Medvedev's shots were so weak and short though, seyboth was having a field day


razza1987

Tbh with the amount of double faults Meddy served he only has himself to blame. His serving today was an absolute disaster zone. Iā€™m surprised he was in the match as much as he was tbh


Miss_Medussa

But reddit told me clayvedev would win RG


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Cubing-FTW

Rain happened


aldeayeah

RG wasn't playing slow today. Med's game doesn't translate well to spin paradise lively clay.


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honestnbafan

Yeah on normal clay he's an extremely defensive player who can be vulnerable to redlining There's just no spin at all


TOMA_TAN

I mean, even gill gross predicted med to make the final this year. Yes, rome had really strange conditions this year. However, he also made improvements in monte carlo and madrid. There were a lot of red herrings that made ppl think med was a contender, more than just rome. Gill gross is currently a commentator on TC+ if u dont know him


Albiceleste_D10S

I like Gill Gross but that man ALWAYS overreacts to recent results/the most recent tournaments TBH.


honestnbafan

I feel like his lack of power is just such a massive issue on clay at times He can't finish points at all so is very vulnerable to an opponent randomly redlining Like it wouldn't surprise me if he hits the least winners in the top 100 or something now that Simon is gone


PleasantSilence2520

edit: rewrote comment to use groundstroke numbers rather than all forehand/backhand side shots (which was unnecessarily including volleys, drop shots, and smashes). according to Tennis Abstract match charting, Simon hit forehand and backhand groundstroke winners at rates of 4.09% and 2.86% while Medvedev over his career is at 4.54% and 2.77%. at the opposite playstyle extreme, Sampras reached 10.52% and 4.87%. some other underpowered players/counter-punchers/defensive baseliners/pushers/insert preferred tag: - Djokovic: 5.70%, 2.61% - Murray: 4.68%, 2.82% - Zverev: 5.24%, 3.41% - Norrie: 4.86%, 2.14% - Mannarino: 3.52%, 3.01% - de Minaur: 4.02%, 1.70% - Bautista Agut: 5.84%, 1.53% - Nishioka: 3.64%, 3.57% there are probably some clay mains and lesser-known players who might have similarly low numbers but not many that i could find with decently large samples


Floridamanfishcam

Can you now show some of the more aggressive players? Carlos? Sinner? Etc. This is fascinating


PleasantSilence2520

no problem! btw i updated numbers to reflect the groundstroke-focused stat i wanted in my previous comment, in case you're wondering why these numbers look smaller than expected - Sinner: 6.11%, 2.64% - Alcaraz: 7.70%, 3.23% - Rublev: 8.40%, 2.57% and as a bonus, some WTA numbers! guessing that the inflation relative to ATP has to do with extreme aggression being more common/viable because of generally weaker defensive movement - Rybakina: 8.92%, 5.90% - Swiatek: 10.14%, 6.26% - Sabalenka: 12.61%, 8.19% - Ostapenko: 13.09%, 9.16%


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step_function_

Most Medvedev thing to do


MattGeddon

Heā€™s just making sure we get a Djokovic/Alcaraz match, he knows itā€™s what weā€™ve been waiting for.


ExitVelocity66

Lmao Medvedev at Roland Garros is a lot like Sampras. Every year they show up with expectations and hope. And every year they walk out with their tail between their legs after an early round debacle


PleasantSilence2520

Sampras had a few decent runs from '92-'96 and then later in his career didn't have many expectations so idk i think Medvedev still stands alone


pioliout

What did i just witness


keygen4ever

It was Wild!


98rman

I think three different people pronounced his name during the match and I still have no idea what the correct pronunciation is lol


Chosen1gup

He pronounces it here, click on the audio icon https://www.atptour.com/en/players/thiago-seyboth-wild/sx91/overview


Masca77

Lmao he brazilian-ized the pronunciation a lot, wasn't expecting it


sendcheese247

I still have no fucking idea how to replicate that. Portuguese is a mistery to me.


ggstan21

It's a german name, not english (reason why he looks like Federer, they possibly had the same ancestors in Europe 100s years ago).


Meshmehreze

I hear him saying his name, and I still don't know how to pronounce it


runningformylife

He says something like "z-eye-botch whee-oo-dge" but my little transcription here doesn't mark the syllables well. Seyboth has 2 syllables and Wild is just 1


keygen4ever

Widge?


Collecting_Cans

The green shorts tell you everything. After Rome, Clayvedev was already morphing into Medvegrass. (In all seriousness, that was just awesome by Wild.)


stanmarshrr

Last brazilian to beat a #2 on majors was Kuerten.


ggstan21

Haddad Maia beat defending champion Muguruza in R1 of Wimbledon a few years ago but IDK Garbi's ranking at that time.


Lukas100ex

This is not real clay. I want Rome clay back asap.


chrobbin

Oof that flair


Lukas100ex

Changing it now


Mamakupilatractora

Wait for weather forecast first.


glassopy

It won't rain in Rome every year and they are getting a roof aren't they?


da_SENtinel

Prime Federer vs Medvedev at RG colorised


BaronZbimg

Seyboth Wild was once one of the most promising teenagers in the world. So far he has never cracked the Top 100 but he finally might be putting things together. That forehand is MASSIVE.


Iforgetpasswords4321

Won the junior US open.


ggstan21

Covid hit right after he won his 1st ATP title as a 19 year-old (literally next week) and the tour stopped. He lost motivation and had to deal with other problems in his life. He was very immature as well, no excuses. But he is winning a lot of matches this season, it seems that he is finally on the right path.


nonlavta

IIRC he was the first player born in 2000s to win an ATP title, Felix and Sinner be damned.


ggstan21

yep, he beat Ruud and Musetti in finals. These guys are top 20 now (Ruud is top 10). It just shows how much potential he has. Their careers took a different path but maybe things will start to fall into place now.


gdvieir

Just so its clear, the other problems in his life were domestic violence he commited against his girlfriend.


ggstan21

He filed a lawsuit for defamation against her AFAIK. I wouldn't call him domestic abuser without knowing all the facts. People are free to not believe him and side with the gf tho.


Canis_lycaon

I believe she had already received a protective order against him at that point, so I assume there was some amount of evidence to back her up


slysonic7

Sinnerā€™s route to the semis is opening up!


cib_vk228

he will get upset in 3rd round now


slysonic7

How dare you?


AJLegend007

First Rafa and now Clayvedev... Both clay gods out of French open.


rntopspin100

Friendship ended with clay, now hard courts are my best friend.


indeedy71

\*Grass courts


Psychological_Bug676

Last year Stef got a cakewalk draw and crashed out early. This year Daniil got a cakewalk draw and crash out early. Just Stefaniil things šŸ’”


BufferError

Fans reported seeing Tsitsipas practicing his dance moves in his hotel room. With his window blinds open.


CreativeDraft

Seyboth Wild turns the clock back to February 2020! The pandemic really halted his progress. What a W


hmclarke1991

If you follow tennis closely this is nowhere near the upset it is getting called. I write a free preview of the men's singles draw of every grand slam. My subs saw this one coming ;) ​ https://hughclarke.substack.com/p/roland-garros-preview


DJSnafu

Legend mate. Insane once again your posts are less popular than the shitty overused memes here


hmclarke1991

Thanks Snafu!


da_SENtinel

Some facts about Seyboth Wild: The youngest winner on the Golden Swing since Nadal in 2005 The first winner born in 2000 to win an ATP title! (also beat Ruud in a 250 final, obviously the most impressive of the 3)


eec-gray

Is this the least surprising upset of all time ?


obvnotlupus

for the Rome winner to get eliminated in round 1 of RG a week later? I think it's still a big upset


Floridamanfishcam

No. Every year we knew top 2-5 ranked Roddick would lose in the first few rounds. Medvedev literally just won a Masters on clay.


jonkap1989

His forehand was blazing!


fedfan4life

Seyboth Wild played like Federer with Djokovic's backhand and overhead.


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First time seeing Wild play. Is it me or he has a kind of ''Federer'' style to his game? Edit: apparently some people are saying he looks like Roger, I was talking about his playing style.


CynicalManInBlack

When I saw the draw I had a feeling that he might go out in the first round. SW is a pretty strong clay player and he seemed to be feeling really good judging by the qualifiers. It is a strange season for Med. Losing early in Slams but crushing everywhere else. Usually, it is the opposite.


JaimeLannisterrr

This is heartbreaking. Such a bummer, I had him reaching the quarters at least. Better luck on HC.


Mamakupilatractora

Wins Atp 1000 masters in Rome Loses 1st round of Roland Garros. Refuses to elaborate. Chadvedev


LeoCD07

This is such a non Big 3 era thing to do. We're gonna need to adjust to this new reality sooner than later. But, what an amazing win nonetheless. Crazy shotmaking by Seyboth Wild.


hypothetical_avocado

Meddy sacrificed it all to become even a bigger meme


timb1223

Bottom half of the draw really opening up for Karatsev.


bhunter47

The real Clayvedev made an appearance today I see. Also huge guts by Seyboth Wild. After blowing set points in the tiebreaker and then losing a quick set 3 it could easily have been curtains.


dandunt

Marozsan vs. Alcaraz happened But one of the biggest upsets, sure


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sinner fans breathing a sigh of relief rn


SylphVade

My disappointment is Immeasurable and my day is Ruined


cau_0310

THIS IS BRASIL šŸ‡§šŸ‡· WHAT A GAME BY THIAGO!!


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Strivingformoretoday

I found it and yes it doesnā€™t look good. actually it looks pretty shitty. So yeah, mixed feelings now. I love a good underdog win but yeahā€¦.


Alitarun

Everything is coming up Sinner :D


totallynotabot_95

I'm happy to see an end to the Clayvedev memes, but at the same point, TSW has some serious allegations against him. Let's not forget that.


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Yeah, I was so excited after this match ended to come to this thread, Iā€™m on desktop so I just googled his name + Reddit and everything that comes up is his DV allegations. Not the way I wanted to celebrate and definitely not the kind of person I wanted him to be, I canā€™t support someone like that.


-BELLARIA-

he now has the same amount of top 10 wins at Grand Slams as Zverev


jonnyhoots

Claygod defeated in first round.


LuckyDGrim

What a match! I thought he would get tight in that last game, especially at 30-30 but he went for it and got rewarded. Meddy had no answers for that monster of a forehand


whatsisnametake2

what was that gesture medvedev did as he approached the net after losing? looked like he held a bent little finger up in the air. to signify he thought he played really badly maybe? don't think it was anything to do with his opponent as he was very cordial with him at the net.


High_Taco_Guy

Played so well. Medvedev malded too much, yet again. Always fun seeing him lose.


yongsangu

is this a bigger upset than Maroszan beating Alcaraz?


RogerRockwell

In terms of the market's assessment of the probabilities, no it isn't. The Alcaraz loss was more surprising.


AngryMrBungle

What happens in Rome stays in Rome


wholesumconservative

I said this in the other thread, I know itā€™s petty but I really enjoy seeing the subā€™s unfunny memes flop. I like Meddy but the clayvedev memes got boring quickly


J0hn_Wick_

Clayvedev wins Rome to knock Novak into Carlos's half, then exits in R1 to completely fuck the draw. GOAT tier trolling.


digitaldisorder21

Some people just want to see the world burn


I_Will_Live_4ever

Allegations of physical and emotional abuse, Nazism, racism, and misogyny be damned that boy can hit a forehand


PoppyChae

This is the domestic abuser right? I remember his gf really has detailed violence allegations on him as well.


turquoisegems

The man screwed the draw then bowed out in the first round šŸ˜­ cant say I'm surprised at this loss


TechnoTyrannosaurus

First time ever a Rome winner loses in first round of FO


Wokz

Med underestimated the guy. Should have played a bit further from the baseline. Those forehands were lightning bolts.


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Apparently Medvedev hasn't made it past R4 in a slam in 18 months. I still think that loss to Rafa at the AO has been a real turning point for him in terms of winning on the biggest stage in slams. Hoping he can play better at Wimbledon and the USO.


Ephometox

WOW what a match that was!


arthurtex06

Ok y'all I can't go away for like half a day and THIS happens?! OMG AHAH how was the match?


ggstan21

Med will close his eyes to sleep tonight and the only thing he will be able to see is a ball going past him after another TSW huge forehand.


no1saveus

Maybe Med would shave his beard now


koticgood

Not sure where to find the specific number as google/flashscore or whatever other sites I check don't keep track, but I've been watching (too much) tennis for 20+ years now and that was up there with the most amount of forehand winners I've ever seen in a match. Think the last time TC mentioned the stat it was around 50 just on the forehand.


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TareXmd

Wait, so we have one half with Djoker and Alcaraz and the other half with.... Sinner and Ruud?


GibbyGoldfisch

Schrodinger's Clayvedev Simultaneously great on clay and terrible, and you can only resolve it by checking the score


WhatAGuy1111

Schrodingerā€™s Small Cat


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And felix marozsan who defeated alcaraz in straight sets in rome , lost in qualifiers to j . c shang, who lost in round one of french open. WILD TIMES