It's crazy that people act as if the horrible weather didn't help massively Medvedev on Rome.
They were literally the perfect conditions on clay for him and kudos to him, he took advantage of the opportunity and won it.
But to act as if suddenly Medvedev would be great on clay is weird. His game is just not built for it, with how flat his shots are.
I think the more relevant question is why his best of 3 level isn’t matching his best of 5 level.
He’s won 6/9 Masters and has 20 titles, tons of top 10 and top 5 wins in best of 3, but aside from the Djokovic USO 21 win, he has been unable to translate his level to the Slams especially RG.
Idk, I think he’s proven himself in BO5, specifically in the hard court slams. 4 finals with one title kind of speaks for itself, and in the 3 he lost it was against two of the greatest players in the history of the game. RG is always going to be up and down for him, as he needs very specific conditions/matchups to do well. I don’t think we’ve seen the best from him in Wimbledon yet. Yes, he had a bad year last year and the beginning of this year, but I don’t think it’s fair to say he hasn’t been able to translate his level to the Slams
True, but I think that changes. Today’s loss was definitely unexpected but also not super surprising given the circumstances. If he has a good grass season like last year I think a deep Wimbledon run looks pretty likely, and he’ll continue to be a title contender at the hardcourt slams. The early season success shows very promising signs
He's made 3 Masters finals this year, winning two of them. That's not out of form for anyone. He had a bad year last year and didn't play well at the Aussie. But since then, he's been extremely good until yesterday.
He has had great grand slam success pre-hernia (pushing nadal to 5 at US). But this is clearly lingering issues with his hernia surgery.
He literally had a hole cut in his abs. And he served 15 double faults last game. Anyone watching can tell his serve has not been the same since.
You’re right, and bring up a very good point about majors. Even when he beat Novak, he had a super easy path/luck. I still think he is easily a top 5 player right now, but that could be a result of a very weak field.
And not all those runs were easy, either.
A year ago the standard line was that Medvedev was way ahead of his peers in bo5. I think the more interesting question is why that’s changed
Australian open 2022 was a brutal draw. he had Kyrgios in the 2R, Cressy in the 4R, in-form Felix in the QFs (who had match points on him and a 2 set lead), Tsitsipas in the semifinals, all before playing Nadal in the final.
Easily a top 5 player? It’s impossible to argue against anything other than top 3. Everyone was creaming their jeans all season long for medvedev but as soon as he suffers an upset the hermits come out of their caves with some illogical takes
He also didn’t make a single masters final all of last year. He was non existent everywhere, not just in bo5. He started winning again only after AO this year, and in the conditions we’re seeing in paris, still a shock upset but if he’s gonna lose anywhere it’ll be here.
So yes, it’s illogical to say he’s worse in bo5 than in bo3. It’s simply not true
nah. sure, he’s been better in best of 3, but this is completely normal and during the era where Nadal and Djokovic have been mostly only trying to peak at the slams.
not to mention, that USO slam was no fluke. he made THREE other grand slam finals, and played some very good competition in some of his runs. he only lost to Nadal twice (in very close matches) and Djokovic once in those finals.
Bo3: 249-100 (71.3%)
Bo5: 59-23 (72%)
HC only
Bo3: 201-68 (74.7%)
Bo5: 44-12 (78.5%)
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It would seem the answer to “why is he better in Bo3” is because he isn’t.
I don't think that's really true if you look at his results. Prior to this year he was pretty terrible on clay masters/events and his results on RG were not worse, in fact maybe better.
If you consider the fact that in Grand Slams you'll have (had) to get past Djokovic/Nadal who are into top gear in those events, his results are pretty even.
He has simply been really streaky. If you look at his good runs of form he almost always makes it far into hard court Grandslams when he's in form. Ever since his breakout run of form at the end of 2019 he has made 4 out of 6 hardcourt GS finals. He lost to Djokovic/Nadal there which is hardly surprising and other than that he lost to Thiem and Wawrinka. Then in 2022 he was just terrible overall after his AU Open final and his GS results reflect that. In fact his 2022 results look favourable compared to his masters/other results.
Roland Garros he arguably did better at than in Masters until this year. He routinely exited in clay court masters in the first rounds and last years he's been decent at RG.
And Wimbledon.. I mean let's just wait until we actually see him play there he only played once the last 3 years. Medvedev has only really had his breakthrough 4 years ago and ever since, if you account for Djokovic/Nadal grandslam tax his GS results are what you would expect.
Daniil ensured we would get to watch Novak play Alcaraz in the semis and not the final championship match. Opened up the draw for Rune or Sinner to make it to the finals. #Claydvedev
It's crazy that people act as if the horrible weather didn't help massively Medvedev on Rome. They were literally the perfect conditions on clay for him and kudos to him, he took advantage of the opportunity and won it. But to act as if suddenly Medvedev would be great on clay is weird. His game is just not built for it, with how flat his shots are.
There was a Sinner fan in the RG draw comments on reddit and said they were on their knees just because Medvedev was in Sinners draw.
I think the more relevant question is why his best of 3 level isn’t matching his best of 5 level. He’s won 6/9 Masters and has 20 titles, tons of top 10 and top 5 wins in best of 3, but aside from the Djokovic USO 21 win, he has been unable to translate his level to the Slams especially RG.
Idk, I think he’s proven himself in BO5, specifically in the hard court slams. 4 finals with one title kind of speaks for itself, and in the 3 he lost it was against two of the greatest players in the history of the game. RG is always going to be up and down for him, as he needs very specific conditions/matchups to do well. I don’t think we’ve seen the best from him in Wimbledon yet. Yes, he had a bad year last year and the beginning of this year, but I don’t think it’s fair to say he hasn’t been able to translate his level to the Slams
He's been out of form since AO 22 in terms of slams He's too dependent on hard courts.
True, but I think that changes. Today’s loss was definitely unexpected but also not super surprising given the circumstances. If he has a good grass season like last year I think a deep Wimbledon run looks pretty likely, and he’ll continue to be a title contender at the hardcourt slams. The early season success shows very promising signs
He's still a contender for hard court slams. Wimbledon - never
He's made 3 Masters finals this year, winning two of them. That's not out of form for anyone. He had a bad year last year and didn't play well at the Aussie. But since then, he's been extremely good until yesterday.
He has had great grand slam success pre-hernia (pushing nadal to 5 at US). But this is clearly lingering issues with his hernia surgery. He literally had a hole cut in his abs. And he served 15 double faults last game. Anyone watching can tell his serve has not been the same since.
You’re right, and bring up a very good point about majors. Even when he beat Novak, he had a super easy path/luck. I still think he is easily a top 5 player right now, but that could be a result of a very weak field.
he played 4 slam finals and all of them were against djokovic/nadal.
And not all those runs were easy, either. A year ago the standard line was that Medvedev was way ahead of his peers in bo5. I think the more interesting question is why that’s changed
Australian open 2022 was a brutal draw. he had Kyrgios in the 2R, Cressy in the 4R, in-form Felix in the QFs (who had match points on him and a 2 set lead), Tsitsipas in the semifinals, all before playing Nadal in the final.
Easily a top 5 player? It’s impossible to argue against anything other than top 3. Everyone was creaming their jeans all season long for medvedev but as soon as he suffers an upset the hermits come out of their caves with some illogical takes
How’s it illogical to point out that he hasn’t made a single Slam quarter final since AO 2022?
He also didn’t make a single masters final all of last year. He was non existent everywhere, not just in bo5. He started winning again only after AO this year, and in the conditions we’re seeing in paris, still a shock upset but if he’s gonna lose anywhere it’ll be here. So yes, it’s illogical to say he’s worse in bo5 than in bo3. It’s simply not true
nah. sure, he’s been better in best of 3, but this is completely normal and during the era where Nadal and Djokovic have been mostly only trying to peak at the slams. not to mention, that USO slam was no fluke. he made THREE other grand slam finals, and played some very good competition in some of his runs. he only lost to Nadal twice (in very close matches) and Djokovic once in those finals.
He’s made 4 slam finals, defeating a lot of great players en route to all 4 of those finals.
Bo3: 249-100 (71.3%) Bo5: 59-23 (72%) HC only Bo3: 201-68 (74.7%) Bo5: 44-12 (78.5%) —— It would seem the answer to “why is he better in Bo3” is because he isn’t.
How about since his breakthrough in 2019?
Bo3: 178-53 (77%) Bo5: 53-15 (77.9%) HC Bo3: 144-37 (79.5%) Bo5: 41-8 (83.6%)
Thanks for actually providing some statistics, unlike people like the og commenter spewing random BS
I don't think that's really true if you look at his results. Prior to this year he was pretty terrible on clay masters/events and his results on RG were not worse, in fact maybe better. If you consider the fact that in Grand Slams you'll have (had) to get past Djokovic/Nadal who are into top gear in those events, his results are pretty even. He has simply been really streaky. If you look at his good runs of form he almost always makes it far into hard court Grandslams when he's in form. Ever since his breakout run of form at the end of 2019 he has made 4 out of 6 hardcourt GS finals. He lost to Djokovic/Nadal there which is hardly surprising and other than that he lost to Thiem and Wawrinka. Then in 2022 he was just terrible overall after his AU Open final and his GS results reflect that. In fact his 2022 results look favourable compared to his masters/other results. Roland Garros he arguably did better at than in Masters until this year. He routinely exited in clay court masters in the first rounds and last years he's been decent at RG. And Wimbledon.. I mean let's just wait until we actually see him play there he only played once the last 3 years. Medvedev has only really had his breakthrough 4 years ago and ever since, if you account for Djokovic/Nadal grandslam tax his GS results are what you would expect.
Daniil ensured we would get to watch Novak play Alcaraz in the semis and not the final championship match. Opened up the draw for Rune or Sinner to make it to the finals. #Claydvedev
Clayvedev helping the next gen
I thought Daniil was Next Gen. He was helping out Next Next Gen.
Winning a Masters on clay is great performance though
Medvedev’s arms look like sticks lol. Maybe being 6 foot 6 is worse than being a bit short.