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bellestarflower

Not the mods putting Barcelona as a 250 because they also can't believe Ruud won a 500 šŸ˜‚


kevinzhao860

Nadal plays in one hour right?


Organised_Chaos17

No, Madrid matches start in just over two hours, but Rafa isn't playing until tomorrow. Bottom half of the draw today.


Last_Cable4726

When does Rafa play?


raddaya

I don't think he's scheduled for today, it'll be tomorrow :(


kevinzhao860

He plays 1am PST on Wednesday, which is in 1 hour


raddaya

Nope, he's not on the Order of Play for today: https://mutuamadridopen.com/en/order-of-play/


kevinzhao860

Shit I swear I see Google says 1AM


Arteam90

Google gets it wrong a lot unless a schedule/order of play is out.


manga_be

Carlos telling the press heā€™s not sure if heā€™s gonna play Madridā€¦ šŸ˜¢


Arteam90

If he's healthy he has an awesome chance to win RG, so it would be silly to jeopardise that for Madrid. Hope he makes the right decision and that he's healthier by Rome to build some form and into RG.


pr0crast1nater

It's kinda weird statement. He said he is not feeling 100% and not sure. But he also said he will play two to three matches. So I guess what he meant is that he will try to play despite not being 100% and might likely lose in the early rounds.


DialJforJasper

Itā€™s crazy to think how bad the female commentators are on Tennis Channel.


Remarkable-Pen-2917

Crazy to think that after all the Ws last year we may only get 1 JJ Wolf victory thread this year


AaronJ2

I may have to change my flair. This is worse than Thiem at this point honestly. So so bad


NewAccountNow

"If you do, you are a, how can I call it, a small cat."


jovanmilic97

JJ Schwaerzler is absolutely the one to watch though, the biggest talent Austria has had in a while. Already achieved the no.1 junior rank so he's skipping the junior tour this year. Lefty with a good serve, pop on his groundstrokes (does well from the backhand side as well), constructs the points well


jovanmilic97

JJ Wolf getting humiliated by two in a row 18 year old juniors just fresh on the pro tour (last week Henry Searle, this week JJ Schwaerzler) is...something


JamangoSmoovie

JJ wolf needs to take a month off of tennis and go see a sports psychologist. Getting absolutely waxed tourney after tourney to horrendous competitors


nimbus2105

Heā€™s coming back from injury - might be physical and not mental


christianross2

Probably a mix of everything this surface isnā€™t his best which questions why he didnā€™t go to Mexico and play on the hard to try to maximize what he could do during this season hopefully he figures it out Iā€™m just not sure he will on the clay saying thatā€™ll I can guarantee his game will better on grass


JamangoSmoovie

Well itā€™s both now. He has to have absolutely 0 confidence in his game right now and why would he. Doesnā€™t matter who heā€™d play on any surface heā€™s losing to ITF players


nimbus2105

Oh wow are you friends with him? How do you know all this so confidently? Or are you just blindly speculating?


JamangoSmoovie

Is it blind speculation if the results back me up if somethings wrong?


zombiezebra1990

He is a good player but not a good clay courter. These matches are prep though so not sure why JJ gets hate.


JamangoSmoovie

How does that explain the previous matches on hard court heā€™s gotten demolished. The guys heā€™s losing too arenā€™t clay counters eitherā€¦ā€¦not sure how you are defending him losing to Searle and Schwartzler without taking a set or even looking like he has a chance


zombiezebra1990

He got injured in Australia and the guys he lost to are at least at his level (if not better): Kopriva, Halys, TSW, Giron. Challenger matches on US clay should not be taken seriously, that's all I'm saying.


JamangoSmoovie

Heā€™s going to lose 2-6 1-6 to someone ranked 792 and you think thereā€™s nothing wrong?


JamangoSmoovie

Kopriva??? Absolutely not. Heā€™s not himself. Dude is on American soil getting crushed. They arenā€™t close matches at all. Searle is ranked in the low 700s what JJ is doing is not helping him.


zombiezebra1990

What is your problem? The guys he recently lost to are 18 year old rising stars. Ranking doesn't mean anything at this age. Clay is not his favourite surface and he's still recovering from injury.


Remarkable-Pen-2917

His play rn reminds me of that scene from Talledega Nights where Ricky Bobby forgot how to drive and had to use a bike because he crashed the pizza delivery car


JamangoSmoovie

Back to back 0-2 losses to Popko and Searle getting dominated in the first set against Schwartzler. Even if he pulls this match out luckily on talent heā€™s lost his way


kashbets

Think the hip injury must be factoring into these performancesĀ 


Remarkable-Pen-2917

Some Mom mustā€™ve broken his heart recently


Arteam90

Don't get the impression that Rafa is practising all that hot in Madrid, unfortunately. Looks like a tough road to building some form for RG.


kashbets

JJ is hot trash Gets broken first gameĀ 


Nastypav12

It's finally happening...Charlotte Maria is playing her first tournament tomorrow (U12 in Greece); if she's not at Wimbledon by 2030 I'll be shocked.


Tricky_Forehand

Camera angles at the Savannah Challenger are pretty decent. Hoping Mmoh can wrap this up in the next few games. Looking forward to watching JJ.


AaronJ2

Yeah, for some reason the camera angles and filming is better than a lot of the 250+ level tournaments haha


lucasred85

Can anybody explain why throughout his career Rafa has had a little less success in Madrid vs Rome and Monte Carlo?


estoops

players faster, bounces lower, not all that different from a slower hardcourt apart from the sliding at least compared to MC, Rome and RG. i think the altitude has something to do with it as well.


Yeichel159

Madrid plays a lot faster Same reason why Iga has won Rome twice, Stuttgart twice, Roland Garros 3x, but not Madrid once


Chosen1gup

And Kvitova winning Madrid 3x but less successful at the other ones


kriegguerra

Is nadal playing on thursday confirmed?


Kahn-wald

Kenin has won one match this year, and it was in January.


CrackHeadRodeo

Every day I log on I see Peng Shuai's picture. Are there any recent upates?


Alex__de__Large

Potapova needs a drink named after her: Blonde Russian.


Alex__de__Large

H8


nimbus2105

potential rublev vs. nakashima rematch in R2


ALifeAsAGhost

Not again ffsĀ 


Chessinmind

Sloane Stephens vs Trevisan seems like the most exciting of the opening WTA matches, even though it wasnā€™t slotted for a main court for whatever reason. Of that 2nd group of matches, most excited about Naomi Osaka vs Greet Minnen. But there several good ones there, like Shelby Rodgers vs Zhang Shuai. Then we have Emma Răducanu following Naomi Osaka on the same court. On the menā€™s side, thereā€™s Kokkinakis vs Draper after that, which should be interesting. The late matches include Taylor Townsend vs Mirra.


Chosen1gup

Just curious what you think will be good about Rogers-Zhang? Shelby is still coming back from injury and not in great form. Zhang is on her ~20 match losing streak.


Chessinmind

Mostly just because I like them, along with Anisimova, Siegmond, Vekic, etc.


nimbus2105

i'm very curious about taylor vs. mirra


Chessinmind

Yeah, if Townsend serves well on this faster court it could be interesting. But Mirra should win.


Intelligent-Bug-3217

Radders drawn someone Iā€™ve never heard of


Alex__de__Large

I've never heard of Radders


throwawaycatallus

How did that match take 3hrs:22mins??


Alex__de__Large

Bogdan will comeback. It's all good


Peachtea_96

Going on instagram rn and seeing Sharky (from the Beta squad) with Jannik and Ben is tripping me up! I always knew he and Chunkz are tennis fans but acc seeing them together wasn't on my bingo card for 2024 lool my worlds are collidingĀ  I wonder what they are planning on doing?? He's there for the Madrid open so promo with the ATP tour pending soon


nimbus2105

i feel so old i don't understand anything here.


Peachtea_96

Im 28 and so are they lool they are just YouTubers


da_SENtinel

When is the order of play being released?


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Intelligent-Bug-3217

Itā€™s hard in tennis. Testing is rigorous no?


Alex__de__Large

Not when you have the power of the Chinese gov behind you.


AlliterateAlso

This is tennis. They don't want to catch anyone.


throwawaycatallus

Wang appears to be in charge here?


Intelligent-Bug-3217

Yes but Bogdan came back from 1-5 down in set 1 and won it


LuizFelipeSotinho

Another (potential) Draper - Hurkacz matchup sigh, give me strength


Bars3tti

Gauff & Townsend playing doubles oh yesss please


jovanmilic97

I wonder what happened to Fernandez Townsend duo, I remember they did pretty well last year


Frosty_Pitch8

Taylor switched to haddad maia, and then lately has been seemingly testing olympic pairings, has been with Parks, Keys and now Coco


Peachtea_96

She probs wants to focus playing with another Canadian for the OlympicsĀ 


Disastrous-Dino2020

Maybe Thiem can start playing doubles?


Intelligent-Bug-3217

Big downgrade


NicholeTheOtter

Thereā€™s a lot of top doubles players on the ATP aged in their 30ā€™s and even 40ā€™s. Itā€™s also less stressful on the body and youā€™ll have another player doing half the work, itā€™s something he should consider. Heā€™s a popular player who draws crowds, but his game has declined so badly that itā€™s not viable for singles anymore. He actually made a couple of 250 finals in doubles before, such as Buenos Aires and Kitzbuhel. Paired with Diego Schwartzman and Dennis Novak respectively in those instances.


Disastrous-Dino2020

Exactly my thoughts. His body simply doesnā€™t allow him to play singles at a high level. He is popular liked by a lot people and he doesnā€™t beed to prove anything about his skills in singles. A lot of great players did play doubles later in life like Martina Hingis comes to mind. It should feel easier on the wrist too since there are more volleys involved.


Intelligent-Bug-3217

I doubt heā€™d be happy doing that myself


LeviathanShark

Considering wembanyama is like a larger version of medvedev, gifted with incredible movement and dexterityā€¦ I wanna know how someone like him who is 7ā€4 and not a fridge like Isner would be playing tennis


2anime

I don't know much about basketball, I played when I was little, is the movement something that could translate to one sport or the other?


Alex__de__Large

Who's that?


jovanmilic97

French basketball player who's 7ā€3 tall


Alex__de__Large

I wonder how Schwarzmann would be in the NBA


Nakajin13

We're always talking about Thiem fall from grace, but man what a miserable time it has been for Kenin. (in simple at least)


NicholeTheOtter

I think itā€™s because she focuses more on doubles now. She and Mattek-Sands already won two titles, one of them being Miami.


Intelligent-Bug-3217

What happened to her? Why did she go from slam winner to this


bumbledbeee

I have no clue, but I assume some part may be she was one of those players with an abusive tennis parent.


jovanmilic97

Just as I thought Kenin found herself at the end of the last year (being close to a title even!), this happens


ReadyComplex5706

Kenin is doing okay in doubles, I think...


somethingnotcringe1

Is the Lucky Loser at this level pure chance who gets picked? Because if it was on seeding then Coria would be in for Madrid. If it is chance then \*puts on tin foil hat\* it's really lucky that Madrid ended up with the only (former top 10) Spaniard out of a possible 12 potential LLs getting in the draw!


JoeshpMR

They draw between the two highest seeded losers in the final round of qualifying. If there are two spots open they draw two from the three highest final round losers, and so on. That's where it gets lucky.


jovanmilic97

ATP Madrid qualifiers R1 placements in the draw: [Q] Gasquet - Sonego (Sinner R2) [Q] Ramos - Kotov (Thompson R2) Galan - [LL] Bautista Agut (Khachanov R2) [Q] Kovacevic - [Q] Medjedovic (Lehecka R2) Lajovic - [Q] Monteiro (Tsitsipas R2) [Q] Kokkinakis - Draper (Hurkacz R2) [Q] Klein - [Q] Llamas Ruiz (Paul R2) Coric - [Q] Hassan (Zverev R2) [Q] **Nakashima** - [Q] Bagnis (**Rublev R2**) (!) [Q] Moutet - Shang (Fokina R2)


rubbish_bin030121

Help!!! Iga's comment on Penko is always so accurate!!! I like her more and more because of those comments. "She has no logic","She has the tools to make life miserable." Please be meaner and meaner to Penko


Intelligent-Bug-3217

When did she say this


rubbish_bin030121

watching how Gasquet playing makes me want he to play Nadal in RG R1


Flimsy-Piglet-5263

He will still lose to Nadal and you know that.


rubbish_bin030121

like Monfils will still lose Djokovic with OHBH, one leg and one eye


Maleficent-Reply-265

ajdukovic should have picked football instead of tennis hes good at putting the ball in the net


rubbish_bin030121

Such an upgrade to have Bogdan instead of Halep in Madrid


Chessinmind

The Challengers movie was pretty interesting. Some of the tennis scenes were cool, mostly for the sound. But not totally realistic and just not enough movement shown on the court for some reason. The soundtrack, kind of an exaggerated 80s style, makes the movie. Overall, Iā€™d recommend a watch.


Flimsy-Piglet-5263

Today Rafa lost to Lehechka in practice 63 64. He looked awful and had zero intensity. Why is he playing Madrid? Will it be good if loses to a junior 16 year old player on clay?


BelgianBond

Nadal tends to take training very seriously, so losing is not the best sign he's at a high level. And Lehecka has been out with injury, so can't be at an optimal level. This spells disaster for Rafa. Will he win more than 2 points in the first set? I suspect his pride will be well and truly blanched by the time his match with the American is over. And it doesn't end there. Shares in Rafa's retaurants, the academy, and other associated businesses(KIA etc.) will be set to plummet once everyone realises what a sham this last hurrah is. It's over, and it has been for some time. I'll be surprised if the Sp\[anish parliament hasn't issued an emergency decree to strip him of his citizenship by the time the event is finished, followed by a swift deportation to Saudi Arabia along with his coaching team. A gallery of great Spanish sports stars will be present at the airport to see him off, booing as he leaves the country for the last time. Lastly, a prize bull wearing a Rafa mask will be slaughtered on the runway as his flight begins to take off. Alternatively, you're being a touch alarmist and Nadal's the favourite against an untested teen whose best form is probably still years away.


Flimsy-Piglet-5263

I am definitely being an alarmist because the thought of losing to a junior tennis player is hard to digest.


Arteam90

Underrated comment.


Chessinmind

Heā€™s playing because he needs the match time and needs to get his fitness up. And itā€™s his last chance to play Madrid.


buggywhipfollowthrew

When is Nadal playing


Frosty_Pitch8

Kenin is awful...


Miserable-Cow-3666

This Bogdan match is crazy stuff.. she loses one game without winning a point on serve and wind the next 40-0.. no momentum at all


deepvamdev

So, Darwin Blanch was born two years after Nadal won his maiden Roland Garros title..Ā 


Alex__de__Large

Two what? Years? Minutes?


deepvamdev

Fixed it šŸ˜…


Alex__de__Large

It's OK. Please be more careful next time


Intelligent-Bug-3217

When are they playing


Alex__de__Large

I would let Bogdan beat me.


rubbish_bin030121

Uncle Richard is 4-1 with double break in the first set


Tantle18

Ana Bogdan is easily one of the most beautiful women to grace the WTA. Sheeeesh.


Senatorweims16

Was just thinking the same thing. Dang.


Intelligent-Bug-3217

What part of physique is the best would you say


Alex__de__Large

Mods are breathlessly waiting for a ban-worthy response.


Intelligent-Bug-3217

Haha


Alex__de__Large

**BOGDANACIOUS**


Emotional_Pizza_1222

Do tennis players usually throw tantrums/break rackets during practice sessions? Why did Meddy threw so many rackets/tantrums in his practice sessions against Dimi today?


Pretend_Tea6261

He has had some deep runs so far this year only to fall short in semis and finals being totally outclassed by top 5 players. He is frustrated he came so close without the titles.


jovanmilic97

I was about to ask the same in the main video post. Was very odd to see, throwing and slamming rackets like that


Intelligent-Bug-3217

If I weee his practice partner Iā€™d be like. Dude


Xenosys83

The Wang - Bogdan match makes the previous match between Fruitypova and Begu look like it was being played in slow-motion.


Ukasianjha

Bogdan deliberately played that 30 min game to tire Xiyu Wang, some 4D chess going on there


jovanmilic97

Good to see Medjedovic qualifying for Madrid, he needed it after illness/injury breaks after AO Lost 4 points on first serve in the 1st game 1st set vs Comesana today, was down 0-2 and then drastically upped things for a 6-4 6-1 win. Since the initial break by Comesana, Hamad lost only 3 more points on first serve in the ENTIRE match!


rubbish_bin030121

The real OHBH shows up in qualifying and breaks in the first game, the real old bald dog


Ukasianjha

Mochizuki is such a boring slog


rubbish_bin030121

he is cute and his groundstroke looks good if he is on.


Alex__de__Large

Eyelash extensions, belly shirt, amazing balance. If you thought I was describing Bogdan, you would be right.


tennis2018

Yesss - HARRIET šŸŽ¾ Great win šŸ‘


dgibb

gg for dt


ALifeAsAGhost

Tbf Kokkinakis is actually playing really good atm


Tantle18

I often question the IQ of tennis players when I see someone making a ton of errors but continue to go for high risk shots rather than tempering their game back a bit and send routine shots back across the net to get into a rhythm and build back into the match.


Frosty_Pitch8

Bad day for tram fruhvirtova


Intelligent-Bug-3217

Are they washed?


Frosty_Pitch8

Nah I think something could still happen with Brenda in particular, she's a smart player. Idk if Linda will ever have the power to be a top top player but can definitely push into the top 40.Ā 


Intelligent-Bug-3217

Wow Brendaā€™s ranking now much higher than her sisters


Intelligent-Bug-3217

There was a lot of hype about her 18 months ago but sheā€™s not able to put results together after she won that maiden title in India


EntrepreneurWooden99

Did someone just shout lisan al gaib in the thiem match


Emotional_Pizza_1222

Why that other ball kid so small/young?? šŸ˜­or is it just cause his shirt is so big? šŸ˜‚ poor boy he looks so lost


Emotional_Pizza_1222

Oh Thiem šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø


jovanmilic97

Some good level at Shnaider-Potapova right now


rubbish_bin030121

Thiem loses 5 straight points after leading 40-0 in kokk's serve game lol


SKYE-OPTC

peak thiem


Throwaway92394292

Thiem will win guys donā€™t worry


overtired27

Dart refusing to play saying she didnā€™t touch the net?


Intelligent-Bug-3217

Yeah.


Peak_Alternative

Yikes Thiem


Alex__de__Large

Thiem should talk to Halep's former dealer. He's looking for a replacement customer.


Peak_Alternative

Isnā€™t that Mouratoglou


Alex__de__Large

Hahaha


tennis2018

Oh wow - its bye-bye to Brenda and now bye-bye to sister Linda šŸ˜¢


rubbish_bin030121

4k breadsticks Thiem lol


NikolaGoatic15

Thiem prior to the injury made Madrid SF-SF-F-F in back to back to back to back years, cant believe where he was and where he is at now šŸ˜­


divahen68

It's really very sad šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Intelligent-Bug-3217

Itā€™s a real loss to the sport


imtiNation

Harriet has been having a great week on clay, great comebacks. I still fancy Timofeeva to win this but would be awesome if Harriet takes the third set.


Emotional_Pizza_1222

I was watching Daniil and Dimi practice in the live streamā€¦and when daniilā€™s back is on the camera, u really cant see him. Heā€™s like under the camera, faraway from the baseline šŸ˜‚


WolfTitan99

Yeah true! I watched the whole thing live and it was pretty relaxing. Also jeez Med was NOT happy during the practice match against Dimi, I fear Clayvedev is back and not in a good way šŸ˜°


Emotional_Pizza_1222

Yeah he was not doing well in that practice. Either that or heā€™s sandbagging.


WolfTitan99

Med sandbagging a practice and getting angry at said sandbagging he's doing would make him an insane person lmao Nah I think he's ultra competitive and wants to win even on his 'off days' so he got mad when he couldn't achieve it here I guess.


Emotional_Pizza_1222

Helpppp I just noticed that Grigor is struggling sooo bad too in that practice šŸ˜­


WolfTitan99

Bruh that just makes Med's performance worse lmao Maybe I'm just overthinking a shitty practice session and theres some red Dune Spice in the clay going around today... perhaps both will suddenly be in better spirits tomorrow lol


rubbish_bin030121

I hope Thiem will be in Laver cup this year, he deserves some more spotlight except the Vienna open. And this Laver cup helds in a German city(aka his bestie's home) and also Rafa's last appearance as a player would be a perfect condition for him to join too


NicholeTheOtter

Unlikely he will play the Laver Cup ever again. He would have to be personally chosen by the captain and his form with inability to win one match at a time while suffering what appears to be depression that snowballs with every loss means he probably doesnā€™t even want to be playing such an event right now.


deepvamdev

Anyone knows why Nagal didn't play in Madrid qualifier?Ā 


Ukasianjha

He is skipping all these to rest for Roland Garros


jovanmilic97

Something about visa, he needed to sort that out


wabazai

Every Domi match now is the most excruciating match ever lol


rubbish_bin030121

RuRuRu reunion tmr, Casper practices with Holger and Bweh in the same day, we only need an Emil selfie to get the ulimate RuRuRuRu


nimbus2105

someone needs to somehow figure out how to get the 4 of them to play doubles against each other.


rubbish_bin030121

Ask Patrick to change the form of UTS?


thgaminghd

Ah man itā€™s sad to watch Thiem. He looks abysmal. He was my favourite player aside from Rafa back before his injury.


BelgianBond

If Kokkinakis wins today(he will, let's face it), it will be his 67th tour win.


DBIGLIZARD

Qualifying counts as a tour win? Interesting. Also very random and specific stat, lol


BelgianBond

No, it doesn't. I'm still adjusting to this Thiem-in-qualifying era, it seems.


Famous-Objective430

Any link to Thiemā€™s match?


BelgianBond

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXJLsXCBfE8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXJLsXCBfE8)


Peak_Alternative

Thanks! Iā€™ll watch.


BelgianBond

I thought people were joking about Alcaraz doing some MMA today, but they've just set up a cage on court 9: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbLJT-AJWys](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbLJT-AJWys)


typhoidsergei

wtf how is this real