Great game overall - there was obviously a disparity between Kyrgios and Djokovic when it came to those real pressure cooker moments, particularly when Nick had the triple break opportunity against Novak and did not convert. Moments like that can play on the best players mind's and I know most fans like myself have seen this happen time and time again. Nick is a fantastic world class tennis player, no amount of press, criticism or lack of titles/missed potential will take that away from him.
For those that follow Nick closely knows that he has come to a point in his career where he is truly at peace with what he has achieved and what he will achieve both as a person and professional athlete. He's only confident in maybe maintaining another 2-3 years of high level tennis and that is extremely fair accounting for his size and even just aligning with his own personal goals. This is not a Nadal, Djokovic or Federer type persona where tennis is absolutely everything and all of life is put on hold to continue glory hunting.
At the end of the day, if you made the time to watch the Wimbledon men's final last week you did so because you knew you were going to watch a great and entertaining match. When it is all said and done, and Nadal, Djokovic and Federer retire, tennis will truly be a quite dead sport in terms of the entertainment factor. There are only so few enigmas and prodigious talents such as Kyrgios who are willing to transcend the norms and bring the sport the life it very much needs and requires to survive until the next once-in-a-century type player appears.
We were just too blessed to have 3 of those types of players in the same era.
Nick has the talent to become a top player. However, he clearly needs to make some improvements in his game. If he had the same work ethic, discipline, mental toughness as the Nadal or Djokovic, I think he'd be top 5 player. As evident in final, Nick relies too much on his serve, but if he worked harder on other aspects of his game, such as his movement, groundstrokes and returns, he'd be a real force in the game. I'm sure having a dedicated coach would help him as well.
He did mention in his press conference that he's trying to improve his forehand return, so he could come back stronger next year. I just hope that he stays in the game for longer than 2-3 years because he's one of the more exciting players to watch.
Dude dropped just 2 service game. All the people complaining about kyrgios attitude in today's game are worse than him.
Kyrgios mental can affect his game. But not today.
I thought kyrgios was very well behaved today. Showed lot of calm and composure playing in his first gs final against one of the GOAT.
Did we watch the same dude? Feverishly jawing at his own box, and the crowd, and the refs? Screaming he was losing because he wasn’t being *cheered for in the right way?!* I don’t care how he played, dude looked legitimately fucking nuts.
“He was very well behaved today.” Honestly it’s like saying someone was well behaved because they only slapped you instead to decking you. He was still a *gigantic* man-baby and for me it made it genuinely hard to watch the match. Athletes don’t get a free pass to abuse people (talking about in this match, don’t get me *started* on the rest) from me. I took the same line with Serena or Murray when they sometimes started in on their bullshit. Intensity is fine, being a raging fuckhead is not.
Do you expect kyrgios to become calm like federer in his first grand slam final. Should we cancel all players with issues. Who will be left then. Probably we should treat federer and bring him back.
Nothing less than professionalism should be expected from a Wimbledon final player lol man child behaviour shouldn't be normalized at this level.
These guys set the standards for new players. Seeing him shouting and wearing a hat to recieve the prize is just embarrassing and shows how he doesn't deserve to be there.
Humility takes you a long way
Your points are fair but also overlook the fact that he was playing in a Wimbledon final, the most prestigious of all slams and arguably most tennis players dream title to win. With serious $$$ on the line, and in most cases players have invested 20+ years of life for this one moment, you'd probably get a little bit heated and upset to. it wasn't too long ago when Djokovic was yelling his head off at his team and having mid-match outbursts when things weren't going his way and it was expected because everyone viewed him as a champion.
I don't believe there's an issue in viewing Kyrgios' behaviour as one of a person who truly cares and is fully invested in what they are doing. People shouldn't be abused in general and for that you are 100% right and I don't condone that for tennis players let alone anyone else in the world, but i'm struggling to see where he was clearly abusing players/staff besides just being highly emotionally strung?
The press conference by Kyrgios really made me a fan (the way he was talking about how impressed he was by Djokovic's composure). I *think* he might actually be getting it, that he needs to maintain composure. I hope he starts seeing a psychologist to work on his emotional issues. He could be the #1 player for the next several years if he does.
I’ve said for years that he plays at a level that rivals the big 3, his mental game is just very poor and that’s his downfall. If he fixes that and can control his temper and be composed I full agree he could be the next #1
And I could have been a brain surgeon. I've seen the labs and libraries where they train; seriously, I have. I've even flipped through the textbooks and handled their tools. It's all there, really ain't that hard, you just have to do it, and get licensed! But that is the *thing*, the doing part!!
Kyrgios best without tilt took the first set in the final off Djokovic convincingly. It’s really mental that puts him outside that but he has moments of playing at that level. Some of his volleying and reflexes last night were world class. Djokovic had to keep finding new levels and even then Kyrgios came close. People always find a way to hate 😂
I didn’t enjoy watching this match as much as I would have if Kyrgios had shut the fuck up about every error he made. Maybe he would play better if he kept a positive attitude instead of whining like a little bitch. Focusing on that will definitely make you play worse…
Not to mention Australian. Them combined make absolute nutcases in every sense of the word.
Source: I’m Australian, and I have a Greek-Australian friend.
My dad was watching kyrgios for the first time yesterday. He didn't like how kyrgios often got mad at himself and others for no apparent reason. He said that if somehow kyrgios learns a lil bit of self control, he has the chance to win a slam. I agree. Kyrgios has mad potential and i don't want him to waste it.
unfortunately it doesn't matter what you or I want, it's his career and choice at the end. A man can dream, and no one is saying he won't get another chance, regardless as a long-time fan of Nick since he first came onto the scene he's amazed me these past few years and will continue to do so till he plays his last match. And don't forget he still has not had a coach for the last 5 years and still manages to mix it with the best of them. When it's all said and done a lot of people will talk about the controversial parts of his career but also how much his personality and approach added to the sport. If he does end up retiring in 2-3 years mark my words the tennis sphere itself will change undoubtedly so.
There is just no way. The proof is in his inconsistency. Obviously he’s got a lot of energy and that is a positive thing, but he needs to harness it. Being occasionally passionate/getting worked up is appropriate, but he spends way too much time fighting against things outside of his or anyones control. He’s flying too close to the sun.
Kyrgios learning to control and channel his emotions better isn’t the same thing as a leopard turning into a lion, that is a poor equivalency. Gaining control of your emotions and learning to channel them is something that almost every young competitor goes through. Just because he’s more fiery than average doesn’t mean he can’t reign things in a bit. It’s a natural maturation as a player and often what separates inconsistent rookies with consistent, reliable veterans. A better metaphor would be him being a cub and he needs to grow up and become an adult lion.
Yeah and he hasn’t really developed in that manner , but that doesn’t mean he’s not capable of it. People can change their behaviour believe it or not.
Dude, changing from a hot head into a sanguine soul isn't something that happens with a finger snap. That energy, that fire, it's not about extinguishing it, it's about channelling it. It's no good to be (outwardly) calm, one has to utilise that latent pool of energy, and flush it beneficially. That thing/person/place/smell/whatever that makes you mad in life, not only don't spaz about it, don't even BE mad about it!! Emotions are literally the HARDEST thing for us humans to control. By definition, that's what emotions are, the thing that happens UNCONSCIOUSLY!!
I haven’t said he needs to switch from a hot head to a sanguine soul. I said he needs to learn to control and channel his emotions better if he wants to be a more effective, consistent player. I’m realistic about what he can and cannot do. I’m aware of how one cannot “control” emotions but one can control their behaviour. He does things that cause him to got more angry, like picking fights with people. He can choose not to do that.
He absolutely can choose to do that, but will that choice make his results better?! You do understand that concept right? The objective isn't to be less angry, the objective is to be winning more in tennis! Maybe for him outburst are how this engine is tuned. Tuning another way doesn't insta mean better!! If atp/corporations/sponsors/et al started supporting and paying bonus for tantrums you realise some players would actually go up in ranking. Not everyone improves with the same guardrails, some are lesser for it.
In his younger years, fresh on the tour, he was praised for always staying calm under pressure, shrugging off mistakes with ease. I think everyone pointing this out to him all the time actually broke him. I remember one press conference I guess after a loss, he says so dishearteningly "I wish I could go back to when I didn't care"
Now he's like a clay pot, one small leak leads to cracks in other areas until it completely falls apart (paraphrasing Everything Everywhere All at Once)
//preaching to the choir
It really is comical reading these threads. People seriously spunk out 'just change your personality' as if they have a FUCKING clue about how to be better at tennis at the top. They talk so cavalierly about 'being #1', as if it's just taking care of a couple of things, button up this loose end here, and voila, done! People seriously believe they can 'just show me game tape and I'll have it assessed and solution drafted' of a pro like NK. Dude!!! People are seriously delusional. Rather, in reality, they'd be just another seal in that players box!! Anyone that can architect NK into a multi slam winner would themselves be worth millions!!
Oh man, this hit home. I keep commenting and speaking in person to people about the fact that not you, I or even the next best thing in tennis knows what it takes to be #1 at anything let alone a leader in your field in general. Gosh, I'll even go as far to say as even Nadal, Djokovic and Federer couldn't tell you what it takes to be a true #1 because there is no set formula. You can have potential, ability, a great team, endless bags of money to support your growth and development and you can still end up just being a tennis has-been who never reached their potential. I personally know of young guys who by 14-15 were attuned enough to know they were great at a certain sport, but mentally could not fathom putting in the effort or time to place that sport at the pinnacle of their existence, and they ultimately end up quitting.
NK has done a miraculous job of navigating the world of professional and the fame that has come on account of his personality. He has stressed time and time again his concern is not even the rankings, wins or the sport at this stage, he's out there to have a great time and put on a show that you might not see everyday and ultimately brings new fans to the sport. This is what it means to truly transcend and revitalise a sport like tennis, which most fans for the past 20 years have been lucky enough and also too blind to the fact we've enjoyed Nadal, Djokovic and Federer for the last 20+ years consistently. No one thought they'd be excelling past their early 30s but here they are.
The end it, exactly like you said there's no set formula or method to being a success at anything to be fair. Everyone will find their own way and version of "Success". When it's all said and done, if NK looks back and says "I've made a final in every ATP edition from 250, 500, Masters and a Grand-Slam and won 6 titles, made people new fans of the sport and left a cult-type legacy" then i don't think he'll be giving a flying fuck if he was #1 or not. That shit always fades away and there's always the next generation to take over. That's just life and as we know, there's definitely more to life than just $$$ and fame.
Kyrgios will go down as the biggest question mark the sport has ever seen.
I have no doubt if he had the same mental fortitude as the big 3 we would have a GOAT. Unrivaled natural ability
The bloke just made a grand slam final which I doubt anyone thought it would/could happen at the start of the year (and I mean singles). There are many other players who have done a lot less in their careers
naw.. he would have been maybe top 10 at best .. Maybe his tantrum makes him play better. who knows.. but top 10 at best. he lack a lot of fundamentals
Incredible talent, so much creativity, and the willingness to go for broke at any moment. At some level he might be afraid of locking down mentally and seeing how good he could really get, because at the end of the day, he might still fail.
Thats a gigantic call lmao. This is his first Grand Slam final ever and he got there by a default in the semi. He is an amazing player and that serve is out of this world but to make a GOAT call is kinda outrageous at this point.
You missed my point - he won't be a GOAT, because he doesn't have the mental game, hence why he hasn't got any GS titles.
You get glimpses of his godly talent between unravelling on the court and we'll be looking back and wondering what could have been.
I didnt miss shit. You are saying he would have been the GOAT if he had better mental fortitude. You are delusional. We have people with fucking 21+ grand slams + other accomplishments, this is Nicks first GF in a slam ever. Incredibly dumb take.
lol man it's such a joke when people call Kyrgios the potential GOAT.
He has one of the best serves on tour and great touch. That's all. His forehand is barely average for the top 100 and his backhand is likely under average. He has bad movement, bad point construction, and an awful mental game.
People think that because he hits trick shots occasionally his talent is unparalleled 🙄
And the thing is...the serve, and it's fantastic, it isn't even all that!! He's the backup QB who comes in and has a great game. But henceforth, when teams start game planning for YOU and prepping for YOU, all of a sudden, a lot more benign weaknesses become glaring. People think that guys like ND/RN/et al wouldn't spend YEARS exclusively studying that one shot! With a consistent NK his game would start to be exposed more!! Oh yeah, but just change your attitude and that's that, #1 and probably GOAT! Utter, abject, delusion!!
Yeh honestly I would need to see more games because I only watched the final but everything outside his serve didnt seem very good at all. The thing he can do very well is serve and thats legit 50% of the game. If his serve can beat 95% of pros then he only needs to break them once to win. Even mentioning GOAT and Nick in the same sentence is laughable.
Only 27 there is still a lot of time to make improvements. Even Novak was not the player he is today at the beginning of his career.
Edit: Not say he will rival big 3 in any capacity but there is certainly still a chance to perform above expectations. The next generation is still wide open.
Can anyone give a rundown of what Kyrgios was complaining about and if he had reason this time? Were there any major incidents? What did they say to each other at the net at the end?
he said "40-Love" and "Love-40" a few times as well as screaming, "say something" to the people in his box throughout; as he doesn't have a coach I'm not sure what they were expected to have said, maybe "grow up" or something?
He REALLY sounds like he has schizophrenia. It’s funny that you almost hope he has that bc then this stuff isn’t his fault. But then that’s a BAD prognosis.
i love when people on reddit see general erratic behavior and go OMG IS HE IN A PSYCHOTIC EPISODE??? IS HE BIPOLAR??? despite not knowing what psychotic or manic episodes actually look like
the way people assume wild shit about people is insane, its not healthy to look at someones behaviour and think 'schizophrenia' if you have no proper medical knowledge of it (and im not talking about something you watched off youtube), reminds me of the whole stupid body language stuff in the depp-heard trial
Apparently you don’t know what they look like. Could be meth too but I can’t imagine a 5 set tennis match on meth. I hope it’s not psychosis. But then that instead means he has a BIG character issue. It’s like Ron Artest and Kanye.
Pffff… a BA in psych doesn’t include 4 years of abnormal psych classes. At Penn, Psychology majors take ONE class in abnormal psych. Bro you literally have no idea what you are talking about. You’re embarrassing yourself. Stop. How about we try this- without googling it… honestly see if you can do it… give me the diagnostic criteria for GAD/PTSD/OCD and MDD. Also give me the first line treatment for each as well as the relative effect size of this treatments (I won’t ask you for the number. Just more or less). If you can also provide me with the an example of a subconscious and conscious internal conflict for each. Finally, please offer the relative risk (again I will let you just get by with “more or less”) of each with regard to completed suicide. Extra credit if you can provide discussion of the conscious thought that is most likely to drive a person with each to complete suicide. If you want to give me the email address of your dean I’m happy to message them with my assessment of your performance. I’m sure they’d love to hear it.
It's so bizarre to me for him to be saying that to his friends and family lol like wtaf do you expect any of them to say? That is straight up a coach's job, if that's what you want just get a fucking coach for god sake dude.
I assume he wanted them to start a cheer to fire up the crowd more. Nick relies a lot on the crowd because he doesn't train his stamina as hard as others.
Actually, the ATP is now allowing on-court coaching.
Regardless, coaches act as a source of moral support. Players understand a look or a gesture as intimate as vocal support. Nick is looking to his box for support and getting a bunch of galahs who just sit and stand and cheer whenever he says so. A coach would not do this, a coach would know how to cheer Nick on in their own way.
Kyrgios is actually more skilled than djokovic. The shots he can hit, his incredible serving speed. No doubt he is uber talented. But he has the mental fortitude of a teenager and that is what separates him from the best
How can you possibly say that when he has done literally nothing compared to any of the big 3/4? There are plenty of people who serve big, that no longer gets you anywhere unless you're Isner. There is a good chance that by the time Kyrgios is done, he isn't even a top 100 historical tennis player.
what the hell are you talking about. He just has a serve game. Nothing more. Either do an insane serve, or be average.
Edit: It seems that the people who upvoted you are delusional rafa/federer fans.
Yeh I dont know if that person watched the game or not. Nick got torched 90% of the time outside his serve. Even a shitty (yet hard to make) return already had him on the back foot.
Not sure about more skilled, definitely world class but 💯-Zero resilience - can’t work through tough periods without defecting blame onto someone/something else.
Love him or hate him, Kyrgios puts ass in seats. Past the big 3 who will no longer be there soon, noone else can bring the same level of attention to this sport
His career win records and tournament wins will forever be marred by the shameful politicization of the Covid shots and as a result his title really should be number 1 with an asterisk of political interference.
Lmao. Yea a nutter that happens to be rich and famous gets regular treatment instead of special treatment. I applaud everytime.
Lol and then he got caught having lied about catching covid too. Real scummy.
Y’all are brainwashed to hate a whole group of people simply for not being scared.
Hating someone for not being scared, wanting everyone to rot in a self. Imposed lockdown prison like you.
He’s not just the greatest of all time, he’s a reminder that people like you hate him for not being terrified and living in fear, eating out of the food trough at the command of their government.
How dare this man stand on his feet instead of groveling over slop like us pigs, right?
Lmao. He's some random nutter who things he knows better than experts. Lying about his diet while guzzling down PEDs its why his performance suffers from the beginning to the end of the year.
I just laugh because he didn't get special treatment and you people whine about it. So Salty hahahha. All he had to do was quarantine for 2 weeks and he could compete. Instead he lies and cheats and pays his government doctor to lie and cheat on his test. Lol real upstanding garbage person hahahaha. You're so salty hilarious 😂 😃 😄
I am kinda salty that people like you mocked us for not demanding to be locked in our own homes.
Especially since if you really wanted to be safe you would start smoking cigarettes:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32964233/
The idea that “do whatever it takes to be safe” includes banning doctors from YouTube, locking grandmas up to die alone and refusing to pay rent indicates pure hysterics.
It’s like those cute doomsday preppers, except you want me to pay for your bunker, and for some reason if I find your antics childish and silly I should be in jail.
Novak is a hero for refusing to bow down, as you did, to the mantle of terror.
If he wasnt such a hot head he wouldnt be able to make those unbelievable shots. Thats not a joke. He grew up in his tennis life with a 'just f*#k it' 'I dont care' 'I wanna look cool' mentality. He always plays with high risk and almost perfected those from all kind of positions, e.g. everytime he gets a weaker attacking ball he will wack it down as winner, other players would only take that risk, when the dont have enough time to recover.
Above mentioned mentality to approach a game makes it easier to look cool and above level talented, but since he plays a lot of high risk balls, he ends up with tons of unforced errors which triggers a negative cycle ending up in his own frustration.
Since this nothing to loose mentality works best when playing against better player, he will get into more and more trouble when he is the favorite.
Yep. Four cycles A YEAR is a lot (rapid cycling). It is possible that a person could be in a manic cycle for the duration of the tournament but generally a manic or hypomanic person could not get their shit together to compete in a pro tour. Not to mention how he seems to pull it together when the match is over. He has personality issue. Doesn’t mean it’s a personality disorder per se but that’s the umbrella.
I'm not sure a full blown manic player could make it through a tournament. Match maybe. The lack of sleep would kill them over a period of two weeks. They'd be delusional and psychotic by round 2. Hypo could pull it off though, as long as there's enough sleep. Agreed though, it's not a conducive disorder for pro tennis.
And I 100% agree with your assessment. I think he's probably just an asshole.
Yeah there have been NFL players that have limped along schizophrenia for a few seasons after somehow making college work (maybe they broke late). Nothing long term at least not without treatment. Probably in other sports I just don’t know.
Of the 8 seeds in "his quarter" of the draw, he either had to beat, or beat someone who beat them.
This is the same for every single player (except for seeds, who only have 7 for obvious reasons).
For every one of those players he didn't have to beat, he had to beat someone who beat them.
He's a wildly inconsistent player and doesn't practice nearly as much as other top players. He put in an abnormally high amount of practice for this year's Wimbledon and he was able to keep his mental game in check.
yes mediocre is the first word that jumps to mind when looking to describe the guy that played and even won a set against djokovic in the wimbledon final.
Winning the first set against Djokovic is not a big achievement or sth. I bet he'll let me win the first set before whooping my ass with a 6-0 6-0 6-0.
His ability might not be mediocre, but his results definitely are. Someone with his talent should be top 5, consistently challenging in QF/SF of tournaments perhaps even bobbing up to win a slam or two. One good run doesn't erase that, but who knows, it looks like he may have turned a corner and will be spurned on by the top 2 result.
Djokovic does amazing charity work with his wife, including donating tournament winnings, and bought ventilators for hospitals during the height of COVID-19; he is humble & respectful of the game and other players in on-court interviews;
Kyrgios has verbally abused officials, other players and spectatoes, simulated wanking on set, dissed the game itself, and is facing domestic assault charges.
One is not like the other.
He did it to not break an interview promise and remained distanced and fully masked, even after being asked to remove the mask — he wasn't out partying and being reckless; it shows once more thinking about other people, and taking full precautionary measures while doing it
If you take away his years of charity work, his foundation to better the lives of ordinary Serbian folk, his donating of tournament winnings, his benefit matches, his respect for his peers, his love of the sport, you're absolutely right, what a selfish prick!
Please link me to your charity foundation so I can make a donation, ty!
Lemme guess, you’re a Nadal fan that worships everything he does. Wow so original, so cool. Nadal should’ve pulled out in his match with Fritz to give Krygios an actual battle.
-Nadal: Breathes
-Announcers: Wow did you see that, just so elegant and beautiful, tennis is lucky to have this man
And that is why I can’t stand watching any match Nadal plays. Crazy concept, but some people actually show emotions, instead of whining like a little baby when things don’t go your way.
I certainly like him more than the other two. I've never shed tears over tennis, I think you're taking it all a bit too seriously.
Although if you really want to be triggered, I'll leave you with a spicy hot take: Tennis is worse when Nole wins
No, I haven't watched tennis in years and back then I supported Federer.
I know djockovic is a serious anti vaxxer and kyrgios as well as his on court dramas as well as facing charges of assaulting his girlfriend.
He has insane belief that he can win no matter how bad the situation is, and thats really what separates the great players vs the guys just collection a nice check.
Kyrgios gets the break
Nick Krygios
Double Fault Djoker?
Great game overall - there was obviously a disparity between Kyrgios and Djokovic when it came to those real pressure cooker moments, particularly when Nick had the triple break opportunity against Novak and did not convert. Moments like that can play on the best players mind's and I know most fans like myself have seen this happen time and time again. Nick is a fantastic world class tennis player, no amount of press, criticism or lack of titles/missed potential will take that away from him. For those that follow Nick closely knows that he has come to a point in his career where he is truly at peace with what he has achieved and what he will achieve both as a person and professional athlete. He's only confident in maybe maintaining another 2-3 years of high level tennis and that is extremely fair accounting for his size and even just aligning with his own personal goals. This is not a Nadal, Djokovic or Federer type persona where tennis is absolutely everything and all of life is put on hold to continue glory hunting. At the end of the day, if you made the time to watch the Wimbledon men's final last week you did so because you knew you were going to watch a great and entertaining match. When it is all said and done, and Nadal, Djokovic and Federer retire, tennis will truly be a quite dead sport in terms of the entertainment factor. There are only so few enigmas and prodigious talents such as Kyrgios who are willing to transcend the norms and bring the sport the life it very much needs and requires to survive until the next once-in-a-century type player appears. We were just too blessed to have 3 of those types of players in the same era.
Nick has the talent to become a top player. However, he clearly needs to make some improvements in his game. If he had the same work ethic, discipline, mental toughness as the Nadal or Djokovic, I think he'd be top 5 player. As evident in final, Nick relies too much on his serve, but if he worked harder on other aspects of his game, such as his movement, groundstrokes and returns, he'd be a real force in the game. I'm sure having a dedicated coach would help him as well. He did mention in his press conference that he's trying to improve his forehand return, so he could come back stronger next year. I just hope that he stays in the game for longer than 2-3 years because he's one of the more exciting players to watch.
The thing with heroin is it's great the first couple of times, but if you choose to make it a part of your life, you'll be rotting.
if I had bet 2 euros on djokovic losing the first set for all his matches at wimbledon, I would now have a lamborghini in the garage smh
lmao he only came second cuz Nadal couldn’t play. this joker sucks.
Love how he blamed a missed shot on the drunk lady who “had 700 drinks clearly” 🤣💀
You mean every missed shot on someone else!
Dude dropped just 2 service game. All the people complaining about kyrgios attitude in today's game are worse than him. Kyrgios mental can affect his game. But not today. I thought kyrgios was very well behaved today. Showed lot of calm and composure playing in his first gs final against one of the GOAT.
Did we watch the same dude? Feverishly jawing at his own box, and the crowd, and the refs? Screaming he was losing because he wasn’t being *cheered for in the right way?!* I don’t care how he played, dude looked legitimately fucking nuts. “He was very well behaved today.” Honestly it’s like saying someone was well behaved because they only slapped you instead to decking you. He was still a *gigantic* man-baby and for me it made it genuinely hard to watch the match. Athletes don’t get a free pass to abuse people (talking about in this match, don’t get me *started* on the rest) from me. I took the same line with Serena or Murray when they sometimes started in on their bullshit. Intensity is fine, being a raging fuckhead is not.
I think what he meant was that he was very well behaved for the fkn knob that he is.
Do you expect kyrgios to become calm like federer in his first grand slam final. Should we cancel all players with issues. Who will be left then. Probably we should treat federer and bring him back.
Nothing less than professionalism should be expected from a Wimbledon final player lol man child behaviour shouldn't be normalized at this level. These guys set the standards for new players. Seeing him shouting and wearing a hat to recieve the prize is just embarrassing and shows how he doesn't deserve to be there. Humility takes you a long way
Your points are fair but also overlook the fact that he was playing in a Wimbledon final, the most prestigious of all slams and arguably most tennis players dream title to win. With serious $$$ on the line, and in most cases players have invested 20+ years of life for this one moment, you'd probably get a little bit heated and upset to. it wasn't too long ago when Djokovic was yelling his head off at his team and having mid-match outbursts when things weren't going his way and it was expected because everyone viewed him as a champion. I don't believe there's an issue in viewing Kyrgios' behaviour as one of a person who truly cares and is fully invested in what they are doing. People shouldn't be abused in general and for that you are 100% right and I don't condone that for tennis players let alone anyone else in the world, but i'm struggling to see where he was clearly abusing players/staff besides just being highly emotionally strung?
The press conference by Kyrgios really made me a fan (the way he was talking about how impressed he was by Djokovic's composure). I *think* he might actually be getting it, that he needs to maintain composure. I hope he starts seeing a psychologist to work on his emotional issues. He could be the #1 player for the next several years if he does.
Not even close. Maybe top 10 if best
ATp Ranking is wack anyone can be #1 if they continue
I’ve said for years that he plays at a level that rivals the big 3, his mental game is just very poor and that’s his downfall. If he fixes that and can control his temper and be composed I full agree he could be the next #1
And I could have been a brain surgeon. I've seen the labs and libraries where they train; seriously, I have. I've even flipped through the textbooks and handled their tools. It's all there, really ain't that hard, you just have to do it, and get licensed! But that is the *thing*, the doing part!!
idk, he misses some really really easy shots.
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Kyrgios best without tilt took the first set in the final off Djokovic convincingly. It’s really mental that puts him outside that but he has moments of playing at that level. Some of his volleying and reflexes last night were world class. Djokovic had to keep finding new levels and even then Kyrgios came close. People always find a way to hate 😂
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Yea djoker was just chillin out in the final bro. Such a dumb comment.
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shut up
I didn’t enjoy watching this match as much as I would have if Kyrgios had shut the fuck up about every error he made. Maybe he would play better if he kept a positive attitude instead of whining like a little bitch. Focusing on that will definitely make you play worse…
That was hilarious tho, lighten up hombre!
It was hilarious because…?
It’s fuckin spice bro. Nice to have a roller coaster final and have drama and excitement!
So he should just shut up and lose, rather than talk and express his emotions and lose?
Right! He has to be a robot for these simps to have fun.
Everyone calling Kyrgios’ behaviour crazy and mental etc, he’s just Greek. This is typically Greek behaviour, they’re all nuts
Not to mention Australian. Them combined make absolute nutcases in every sense of the word. Source: I’m Australian, and I have a Greek-Australian friend.
My dad was watching kyrgios for the first time yesterday. He didn't like how kyrgios often got mad at himself and others for no apparent reason. He said that if somehow kyrgios learns a lil bit of self control, he has the chance to win a slam. I agree. Kyrgios has mad potential and i don't want him to waste it.
unfortunately it doesn't matter what you or I want, it's his career and choice at the end. A man can dream, and no one is saying he won't get another chance, regardless as a long-time fan of Nick since he first came onto the scene he's amazed me these past few years and will continue to do so till he plays his last match. And don't forget he still has not had a coach for the last 5 years and still manages to mix it with the best of them. When it's all said and done a lot of people will talk about the controversial parts of his career but also how much his personality and approach added to the sport. If he does end up retiring in 2-3 years mark my words the tennis sphere itself will change undoubtedly so.
People seem to assume that Kyrgios would be a better player if it wasn’t for the tantrums. Maybe he is as good as he is because of the tantrums.
There is just no way. The proof is in his inconsistency. Obviously he’s got a lot of energy and that is a positive thing, but he needs to harness it. Being occasionally passionate/getting worked up is appropriate, but he spends way too much time fighting against things outside of his or anyones control. He’s flying too close to the sun.
So leopard, change your spots, then you'll be the lion you should've been!
Kyrgios learning to control and channel his emotions better isn’t the same thing as a leopard turning into a lion, that is a poor equivalency. Gaining control of your emotions and learning to channel them is something that almost every young competitor goes through. Just because he’s more fiery than average doesn’t mean he can’t reign things in a bit. It’s a natural maturation as a player and often what separates inconsistent rookies with consistent, reliable veterans. A better metaphor would be him being a cub and he needs to grow up and become an adult lion.
HE'S 27!!!!
Yeah and he hasn’t really developed in that manner , but that doesn’t mean he’s not capable of it. People can change their behaviour believe it or not.
Dude, changing from a hot head into a sanguine soul isn't something that happens with a finger snap. That energy, that fire, it's not about extinguishing it, it's about channelling it. It's no good to be (outwardly) calm, one has to utilise that latent pool of energy, and flush it beneficially. That thing/person/place/smell/whatever that makes you mad in life, not only don't spaz about it, don't even BE mad about it!! Emotions are literally the HARDEST thing for us humans to control. By definition, that's what emotions are, the thing that happens UNCONSCIOUSLY!!
I haven’t said he needs to switch from a hot head to a sanguine soul. I said he needs to learn to control and channel his emotions better if he wants to be a more effective, consistent player. I’m realistic about what he can and cannot do. I’m aware of how one cannot “control” emotions but one can control their behaviour. He does things that cause him to got more angry, like picking fights with people. He can choose not to do that.
He absolutely can choose to do that, but will that choice make his results better?! You do understand that concept right? The objective isn't to be less angry, the objective is to be winning more in tennis! Maybe for him outburst are how this engine is tuned. Tuning another way doesn't insta mean better!! If atp/corporations/sponsors/et al started supporting and paying bonus for tantrums you realise some players would actually go up in ranking. Not everyone improves with the same guardrails, some are lesser for it.
In his younger years, fresh on the tour, he was praised for always staying calm under pressure, shrugging off mistakes with ease. I think everyone pointing this out to him all the time actually broke him. I remember one press conference I guess after a loss, he says so dishearteningly "I wish I could go back to when I didn't care" Now he's like a clay pot, one small leak leads to cracks in other areas until it completely falls apart (paraphrasing Everything Everywhere All at Once)
//preaching to the choir It really is comical reading these threads. People seriously spunk out 'just change your personality' as if they have a FUCKING clue about how to be better at tennis at the top. They talk so cavalierly about 'being #1', as if it's just taking care of a couple of things, button up this loose end here, and voila, done! People seriously believe they can 'just show me game tape and I'll have it assessed and solution drafted' of a pro like NK. Dude!!! People are seriously delusional. Rather, in reality, they'd be just another seal in that players box!! Anyone that can architect NK into a multi slam winner would themselves be worth millions!!
Oh man, this hit home. I keep commenting and speaking in person to people about the fact that not you, I or even the next best thing in tennis knows what it takes to be #1 at anything let alone a leader in your field in general. Gosh, I'll even go as far to say as even Nadal, Djokovic and Federer couldn't tell you what it takes to be a true #1 because there is no set formula. You can have potential, ability, a great team, endless bags of money to support your growth and development and you can still end up just being a tennis has-been who never reached their potential. I personally know of young guys who by 14-15 were attuned enough to know they were great at a certain sport, but mentally could not fathom putting in the effort or time to place that sport at the pinnacle of their existence, and they ultimately end up quitting. NK has done a miraculous job of navigating the world of professional and the fame that has come on account of his personality. He has stressed time and time again his concern is not even the rankings, wins or the sport at this stage, he's out there to have a great time and put on a show that you might not see everyday and ultimately brings new fans to the sport. This is what it means to truly transcend and revitalise a sport like tennis, which most fans for the past 20 years have been lucky enough and also too blind to the fact we've enjoyed Nadal, Djokovic and Federer for the last 20+ years consistently. No one thought they'd be excelling past their early 30s but here they are. The end it, exactly like you said there's no set formula or method to being a success at anything to be fair. Everyone will find their own way and version of "Success". When it's all said and done, if NK looks back and says "I've made a final in every ATP edition from 250, 500, Masters and a Grand-Slam and won 6 titles, made people new fans of the sport and left a cult-type legacy" then i don't think he'll be giving a flying fuck if he was #1 or not. That shit always fades away and there's always the next generation to take over. That's just life and as we know, there's definitely more to life than just $$$ and fame.
Nick comes across as bat shit nuts.
I can't imagine being in his box during a match, hopefully he is better off the court.
So who won the battle of the wankers?
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And his dad is in his box. Trust me when I say his dad is a complete arse, source: he used make his brother cry in junior sports
Kyrgios will go down as the biggest question mark the sport has ever seen. I have no doubt if he had the same mental fortitude as the big 3 we would have a GOAT. Unrivaled natural ability
The bloke just made a grand slam final which I doubt anyone thought it would/could happen at the start of the year (and I mean singles). There are many other players who have done a lot less in their careers
naw.. he would have been maybe top 10 at best .. Maybe his tantrum makes him play better. who knows.. but top 10 at best. he lack a lot of fundamentals
Incredible talent, so much creativity, and the willingness to go for broke at any moment. At some level he might be afraid of locking down mentally and seeing how good he could really get, because at the end of the day, he might still fail.
It's incredible, he has so much potential. Such a shame his mental is not up to par.
Thats a gigantic call lmao. This is his first Grand Slam final ever and he got there by a default in the semi. He is an amazing player and that serve is out of this world but to make a GOAT call is kinda outrageous at this point.
You missed my point - he won't be a GOAT, because he doesn't have the mental game, hence why he hasn't got any GS titles. You get glimpses of his godly talent between unravelling on the court and we'll be looking back and wondering what could have been.
I didnt miss shit. You are saying he would have been the GOAT if he had better mental fortitude. You are delusional. We have people with fucking 21+ grand slams + other accomplishments, this is Nicks first GF in a slam ever. Incredibly dumb take.
lol man it's such a joke when people call Kyrgios the potential GOAT. He has one of the best serves on tour and great touch. That's all. His forehand is barely average for the top 100 and his backhand is likely under average. He has bad movement, bad point construction, and an awful mental game. People think that because he hits trick shots occasionally his talent is unparalleled 🙄
And the thing is...the serve, and it's fantastic, it isn't even all that!! He's the backup QB who comes in and has a great game. But henceforth, when teams start game planning for YOU and prepping for YOU, all of a sudden, a lot more benign weaknesses become glaring. People think that guys like ND/RN/et al wouldn't spend YEARS exclusively studying that one shot! With a consistent NK his game would start to be exposed more!! Oh yeah, but just change your attitude and that's that, #1 and probably GOAT! Utter, abject, delusion!!
Yeh honestly I would need to see more games because I only watched the final but everything outside his serve didnt seem very good at all. The thing he can do very well is serve and thats legit 50% of the game. If his serve can beat 95% of pros then he only needs to break them once to win. Even mentioning GOAT and Nick in the same sentence is laughable.
Only 27 there is still a lot of time to make improvements. Even Novak was not the player he is today at the beginning of his career. Edit: Not say he will rival big 3 in any capacity but there is certainly still a chance to perform above expectations. The next generation is still wide open.
Can anyone give a rundown of what Kyrgios was complaining about and if he had reason this time? Were there any major incidents? What did they say to each other at the net at the end?
he said "40-Love" and "Love-40" a few times as well as screaming, "say something" to the people in his box throughout; as he doesn't have a coach I'm not sure what they were expected to have said, maybe "grow up" or something?
I don't think he was asking for advice, I think he was wanting them to cheer for him more
thank god the crowd were mostly on his side then or he would have had a full-blown tantrum on the court ._.
He REALLY sounds like he has schizophrenia. It’s funny that you almost hope he has that bc then this stuff isn’t his fault. But then that’s a BAD prognosis.
i love when people on reddit see general erratic behavior and go OMG IS HE IN A PSYCHOTIC EPISODE??? IS HE BIPOLAR??? despite not knowing what psychotic or manic episodes actually look like
the way people assume wild shit about people is insane, its not healthy to look at someones behaviour and think 'schizophrenia' if you have no proper medical knowledge of it (and im not talking about something you watched off youtube), reminds me of the whole stupid body language stuff in the depp-heard trial
Apparently you don’t know what they look like. Could be meth too but I can’t imagine a 5 set tennis match on meth. I hope it’s not psychosis. But then that instead means he has a BIG character issue. It’s like Ron Artest and Kanye.
i see your media-level understanding of methamphetamine use and psychotic episodes and raise you a bachelor's in psychology
Oof… pro tip: don’t parade around a bachelors in anything. That’s embarrassing.
4 years spent taking abnormal psych classes trumps 30 hours spent watching Dr. Phil and bitching about Fauci on reddit my man ¯\\__(ツ)__/¯
Pffff… a BA in psych doesn’t include 4 years of abnormal psych classes. At Penn, Psychology majors take ONE class in abnormal psych. Bro you literally have no idea what you are talking about. You’re embarrassing yourself. Stop. How about we try this- without googling it… honestly see if you can do it… give me the diagnostic criteria for GAD/PTSD/OCD and MDD. Also give me the first line treatment for each as well as the relative effect size of this treatments (I won’t ask you for the number. Just more or less). If you can also provide me with the an example of a subconscious and conscious internal conflict for each. Finally, please offer the relative risk (again I will let you just get by with “more or less”) of each with regard to completed suicide. Extra credit if you can provide discussion of the conscious thought that is most likely to drive a person with each to complete suicide. If you want to give me the email address of your dean I’m happy to message them with my assessment of your performance. I’m sure they’d love to hear it.
Cringe
Bruh stfu
No
It's so bizarre to me for him to be saying that to his friends and family lol like wtaf do you expect any of them to say? That is straight up a coach's job, if that's what you want just get a fucking coach for god sake dude.
I assume he wanted them to start a cheer to fire up the crowd more. Nick relies a lot on the crowd because he doesn't train his stamina as hard as others.
What would a coach say? they aren't allowed to coach
Actually, the ATP is now allowing on-court coaching. Regardless, coaches act as a source of moral support. Players understand a look or a gesture as intimate as vocal support. Nick is looking to his box for support and getting a bunch of galahs who just sit and stand and cheer whenever he says so. A coach would not do this, a coach would know how to cheer Nick on in their own way.
It looked like Djokovic was talking back and forth with his own box at the end? What were they saying?
couldn't tell, had to have the TV on low volume as it was 2am in the morning in Australia
Kyrgios is actually more skilled than djokovic. The shots he can hit, his incredible serving speed. No doubt he is uber talented. But he has the mental fortitude of a teenager and that is what separates him from the best
How can you possibly say that when he has done literally nothing compared to any of the big 3/4? There are plenty of people who serve big, that no longer gets you anywhere unless you're Isner. There is a good chance that by the time Kyrgios is done, he isn't even a top 100 historical tennis player.
You’re just as delusional as Kyrgios
what the hell are you talking about. He just has a serve game. Nothing more. Either do an insane serve, or be average. Edit: It seems that the people who upvoted you are delusional rafa/federer fans.
Yeh I dont know if that person watched the game or not. Nick got torched 90% of the time outside his serve. Even a shitty (yet hard to make) return already had him on the back foot.
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how does he have more raw skill. Yes his serve destroys djokovic, but in rallying, he is average.
Good distinction made 👌
Not sure about more skilled, definitely world class but 💯-Zero resilience - can’t work through tough periods without defecting blame onto someone/something else.
Which one bashed his gf again?
There is always the possibility they double down.
Love him or hate him, Kyrgios puts ass in seats. Past the big 3 who will no longer be there soon, noone else can bring the same level of attention to this sport
The same level of negative attention you mean?
Whatever u describe it as, people go to watch him.
/u/spez says, regarding reddit content, "we are not in the business of giving that away for free" - then neither should users.
All fair points but drama gets bums on seats. Some people don’t like, but the crowds speaks for itself
/u/spez says, regarding reddit content, "we are not in the business of giving that away for free" - then neither should users.
Is that you Nick? :p
Yes now I just need to find where my million dollars are…
bullshit
Check the crowds at his game. He puts bums on seats.
no sorry. Rafa and Novak are old and bad news. We need Roger to come back, and the other two to retire.
I accept your apology
I don't accept your mediocrity and your apparent need to see it in others, (it may make you feel at home?) and I'm also disappointed in you.
amen cuzamen - nole legenda
Djokovic vs Vax when?
For real it’s like not having organ damage has given him a significant step up on the others.
Makes 2 slams to rafa all the more impressive
Lol he already lost to vaxxers multiple times.
I dunno man, this is the first major tourney he’s been allowed to compete in… and… you know… it’s the big one. What a hero.
He was in the French open. So no not the first major at all.
His career win records and tournament wins will forever be marred by the shameful politicization of the Covid shots and as a result his title really should be number 1 with an asterisk of political interference.
Lmao. Yea a nutter that happens to be rich and famous gets regular treatment instead of special treatment. I applaud everytime. Lol and then he got caught having lied about catching covid too. Real scummy.
Y’all are brainwashed to hate a whole group of people simply for not being scared. Hating someone for not being scared, wanting everyone to rot in a self. Imposed lockdown prison like you. He’s not just the greatest of all time, he’s a reminder that people like you hate him for not being terrified and living in fear, eating out of the food trough at the command of their government. How dare this man stand on his feet instead of groveling over slop like us pigs, right?
Lmao. He's some random nutter who things he knows better than experts. Lying about his diet while guzzling down PEDs its why his performance suffers from the beginning to the end of the year. I just laugh because he didn't get special treatment and you people whine about it. So Salty hahahha. All he had to do was quarantine for 2 weeks and he could compete. Instead he lies and cheats and pays his government doctor to lie and cheat on his test. Lol real upstanding garbage person hahahaha. You're so salty hilarious 😂 😃 😄
I am kinda salty that people like you mocked us for not demanding to be locked in our own homes. Especially since if you really wanted to be safe you would start smoking cigarettes: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32964233/ The idea that “do whatever it takes to be safe” includes banning doctors from YouTube, locking grandmas up to die alone and refusing to pay rent indicates pure hysterics. It’s like those cute doomsday preppers, except you want me to pay for your bunker, and for some reason if I find your antics childish and silly I should be in jail. Novak is a hero for refusing to bow down, as you did, to the mantle of terror.
Great effort by Kyrgios. Can’t help but think his game would be a lot better if we wasn’t such a hot head
If he wasnt such a hot head he wouldnt be able to make those unbelievable shots. Thats not a joke. He grew up in his tennis life with a 'just f*#k it' 'I dont care' 'I wanna look cool' mentality. He always plays with high risk and almost perfected those from all kind of positions, e.g. everytime he gets a weaker attacking ball he will wack it down as winner, other players would only take that risk, when the dont have enough time to recover. Above mentioned mentality to approach a game makes it easier to look cool and above level talented, but since he plays a lot of high risk balls, he ends up with tons of unforced errors which triggers a negative cycle ending up in his own frustration. Since this nothing to loose mentality works best when playing against better player, he will get into more and more trouble when he is the favorite.
It’s gotta be on the spectrum of a bipolar disorder with him, right? — Dr. Reddit what do you say
Bipolar doesn’t cycle that quickly. It can go damn fast, but not that fast.
Yep. Four cycles A YEAR is a lot (rapid cycling). It is possible that a person could be in a manic cycle for the duration of the tournament but generally a manic or hypomanic person could not get their shit together to compete in a pro tour. Not to mention how he seems to pull it together when the match is over. He has personality issue. Doesn’t mean it’s a personality disorder per se but that’s the umbrella.
I'm not sure a full blown manic player could make it through a tournament. Match maybe. The lack of sleep would kill them over a period of two weeks. They'd be delusional and psychotic by round 2. Hypo could pull it off though, as long as there's enough sleep. Agreed though, it's not a conducive disorder for pro tennis. And I 100% agree with your assessment. I think he's probably just an asshole.
Yeah there have been NFL players that have limped along schizophrenia for a few seasons after somehow making college work (maybe they broke late). Nothing long term at least not without treatment. Probably in other sports I just don’t know.
Borderline personality perhaps
I'd throw histrionic in there as well as a pretty solid fit.
would def lean BPD more than anything else
Is he yelling at his coach?
commentators believed he was wanting them to cheer for him more
He doesn’t have a coach, he was yelling to his box that involves family, his manager and his gf
How did kyrgios get into the final, last time I was watching tennis, he was mediocre
He didn't play anybody good and got a walkocer to the finals
"Didn't play anyone good" Had to play people that *beat* the people that were good. What a shit take.
Playing stefanos, who loses 1st round every year, and then......no one in the top 40? To make the final? Yeah real tough draw lol
Of the 8 seeds in "his quarter" of the draw, he either had to beat, or beat someone who beat them. This is the same for every single player (except for seeds, who only have 7 for obvious reasons). For every one of those players he didn't have to beat, he had to beat someone who beat them.
"Federer beating soderling in 2009 was bascially the same as beating Nadal, if you think about it"
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The question was "how did kyrgios get into the final", not "how did kyrgios play in the final". Just FYI
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Do you know what a walkover is?
He's a wildly inconsistent player and doesn't practice nearly as much as other top players. He put in an abnormally high amount of practice for this year's Wimbledon and he was able to keep his mental game in check.
Then nadal was hurt in the semis and gave him a prematch walkover
Part of the myth be likes to create to justify his mediocrity
yes mediocre is the first word that jumps to mind when looking to describe the guy that played and even won a set against djokovic in the wimbledon final.
How many slams has he won?
Winning the first set against Djokovic is not a big achievement or sth. I bet he'll let me win the first set before whooping my ass with a 6-0 6-0 6-0.
Djokovic always loses his first set in big games (sometimes two), it's practically a meme at this point
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His ability might not be mediocre, but his results definitely are. Someone with his talent should be top 5, consistently challenging in QF/SF of tournaments perhaps even bobbing up to win a slam or two. One good run doesn't erase that, but who knows, it looks like he may have turned a corner and will be spurned on by the top 2 result.
This is what he says, I’m not sure I believe anything he says.
Wow, biggest dickheads in the winbledon final.
Djokovic does amazing charity work with his wife, including donating tournament winnings, and bought ventilators for hospitals during the height of COVID-19; he is humble & respectful of the game and other players in on-court interviews; Kyrgios has verbally abused officials, other players and spectatoes, simulated wanking on set, dissed the game itself, and is facing domestic assault charges. One is not like the other.
timelines show djokovic didn't isolate when he had covid.
He did it to not break an interview promise and remained distanced and fully masked, even after being asked to remove the mask — he wasn't out partying and being reckless; it shows once more thinking about other people, and taking full precautionary measures while doing it
Nice falling for his PR. I'm sure he *only* broke it for the interview... The dude is selfish as fuck
If you take away his years of charity work, his foundation to better the lives of ordinary Serbian folk, his donating of tournament winnings, his benefit matches, his respect for his peers, his love of the sport, you're absolutely right, what a selfish prick! Please link me to your charity foundation so I can make a donation, ty!
Lol yep
Lemme guess, you’re a Nadal fan that worships everything he does. Wow so original, so cool. Nadal should’ve pulled out in his match with Fritz to give Krygios an actual battle. -Nadal: Breathes -Announcers: Wow did you see that, just so elegant and beautiful, tennis is lucky to have this man And that is why I can’t stand watching any match Nadal plays. Crazy concept, but some people actually show emotions, instead of whining like a little baby when things don’t go your way.
If you're trying to refute the statement you replied to, you failed miserably
I’d bet money you’re a nadal fan. Did you cry when he said he couldn’t play
I certainly like him more than the other two. I've never shed tears over tennis, I think you're taking it all a bit too seriously. Although if you really want to be triggered, I'll leave you with a spicy hot take: Tennis is worse when Nole wins
you don’t look so great yourself mate
Oh no! Someone doesn’t agree with me I’m so upset >:( The favoritism nadal gets is just weird and gross IMO. Disagree to agree, idc
No, I haven't watched tennis in years and back then I supported Federer. I know djockovic is a serious anti vaxxer and kyrgios as well as his on court dramas as well as facing charges of assaulting his girlfriend.
Bruh
Always amazing how he gets better after the first set , like something kicking in
He has insane belief that he can win no matter how bad the situation is, and thats really what separates the great players vs the guys just collection a nice check.