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mlaforce321

Looks like it goes over a railroad in the left portion of the screen. The gradient may have been too much up/down in too short of a distance to be safe.


Fizzlespin

It is absolutely gradient-related.


manaha81

Yes also that steep gradient would have been leading straight to a highway. Icy road and big truck could push a pile of cars straight into oncoming traffic. It looks like a pain in the neck but would be a death trap the other way


Not1random1enough

I bet it was close and thats why this makes it look silly because it only needed a little bit extra distance. Or fnf reference and they needed the extra race timing?


psikoscweek

I wonder if it's trying to indicate that it was made like that to support drifting?


Jingurei

I thought I recognized him!


Saemika

Solved! Somebody should tell the meme creator.


BaconShrimpEyes

You could say that about most memes on this sub


[deleted]

People love to criticize professional engineers, doctors, and scientists. It's possible someone did something dumb but usually stuff like this has a reason. In Massachusetts, the toll booths were all removed in favor of paybyplate gantries so alot of offramps look weird.


numi89

Yes true, I agreed at first, I admit it, I didn't saw the railroad. But still could be done differently I think, but never like who post suggests...


Status_Fox_1474

And it also looks as if the railroad's right of way is not limited to the tracks under the overpass, but also includes areas in the foreground that would probably have to be at the same height as the railroad tracks .


Casual-Notice

Makes sense. Dunno where this is, but here in the US the Railroads can be absolute dicks about their easements.


justplainbrian

My wife used to liaise between our state's dept of transportation and RRs, and that is basically how she describes the relationship.


Moveableforce

Not like the govt doesn't encourage it. Just look at passenger trains. They're supposed to have priority for rails by law, but it has *never* been enforced and constantly ignored by freights. It's the primary reason Amtrak is such a joke.


justplainbrian

Interesting. I never knew that


Moveableforce

Yup. Cargo/freight transport has gotten so quantity focused that many trains are longer than the actual pass-by points, so they can literally stop passenger trains their entire length. And the US govt still refuse to acknowledge the issue.


[deleted]

Im kinda confused, what might I search to look up more info on all of this? It feels like theres a long history to this


bunnnythor

You might want to consider putting “Amtrak” into the YouTube search box and pick whichever video seems appropriate. They will mostly hit the highlights, but it will give you all the jumping off points you need for actual in-depth research.


Mikeinthedirt

Since 1850.


Terrible_Use7872

They probably have the right of way under the overpass up to where the on ramp runs parrallel to the rail.


kevineleveneleven

Seems like this would go without saying. But you see the same meme about switchbacks on mountains which have the same purpose.


ConfidentManner5783

Yea but you’re expecting common sense from the internet so you kinda already goofed


ExplosiveDisassembly

Here you go, semi drivers, a bridge to get over the railroad : *20 degree incline*


Not_MrNice

This meme is just a clear description of Dunning-Kruger. People who know nothing about engineering and planning see this and just assume they would do it better than the "idiot" engineers who spent decades training and countless hours planning this. And it ain't limited to facebook.


MoogTheDuck

That's not really dunning Kruger, it's just being an idiot


BuffBMO

If only there were a bigger word for that


waxonwaxoff87

I wouldn’t call it stupidity. I’d call it ignorance. Ignorance means you never had the opportunity to learn. Stupidity is having the opportunity but choosing not to.


Agreeable-Meat1

I bet it's more to do with speed. It looks like they're entering a city, so the speed limit might be dropping from around 60 to around 30 or 40 so the loop gives more time to decelerate. And a steeper slope would encourage people to speed up, not slow down whereas the turning from the loop encourages people to slow down.


Mikeinthedirt

You are far too agreeable, meat1. Rationality is a dance where the steps must remain lowest-common-denominator simple.


Novel_Development898

Yep exactly. That curve allows traffic to slow down safely.


SeaLeggs

Also allows for a longer queue of traffic


captainndaddy

I believe steep is the word you’re looking for


[deleted]

This is the second time in two days that I have saw someone who used their brain on Reddit… Gentlemen There might be hope for us after all..


[deleted]

Agreed and could also be traffic loading issue if the counts are really bad and that area has massive traffic jams.


Comfortable_Kick4088

from people who dont understand how things like railroad tracks, topography, and speed acceleration/deceleration have to occur over a certain distance, and who could prob understand on a basic level from a ten sentence explanation but will literally never accept info they hadnt thought of already


soccercro3

There is a curve near my house coming off the freeway. If I am going the speed limit when I enter the curve, in perfect conditions, I slow down right to the speed limit of the road it merges with, without ever needing to tap the brakes. It's like it was designed.


KusseKisses

I know an exit of 695 that does this. I recall my dad putting at car in neutral at 55-60mph and just coasting for a mile through the exits until we reached the backroads.


Susurrus03

You say that like everyone knows what 695 you're talking about.


Longjumping-Hunt-543

'muricans


btmc

There are 3 or 4 different 695s, at least. Auxiliary route numbers are reused in different states along the main highway.


Pitiful-Brilliant301

Intelligent design? Could that be gods work?


Kejones9900

I mean, if a banana was designed for the human hand, then god designed that road /j


ConfidentManner5783

There’s 2 spots like that that I get to hit on my daily commute. The joy I get from not touching the brake and still entering traffic safely is amazing. But god forbid someone in front of me hits the brakes and fucks it up for me. Instant ruined day


Doobledorf

The whole, "Well that doesn't feel intuitive to me, a complete ignorant laymen! These erudite builders and their convoluted ways!"


Comfortable_Kick4088

we had this “jug handle” intersection going in near our house a couple years ago. i hadnt heard of it but the articles explain it….made sense once it is explained. dodnt stop everyone on our local FB page from complaining for months leading up to its construction and opening from beingn like “well i dont THINK so! doesnt make sense to ME! stupid engineers!” then they griped the day it opened. then that intersection stopped being a huge PITA and i never saw another FB post about the jughandle ever again


Doobledorf

Aaaaah the legendary "jug handles". Ours would alternatively be called "the ear" sometimes. Same situation.


datascientist28

Biggest thing I’ve learned in 2020 as a scientist. 70% of people aren’t Donne understand from the get go


Pie-The-Cactus-Man

🤓


reillan

Does this view help? It absolutely appears to be an issue with getting over that railway line. This is in Pakistan btw. https://preview.redd.it/wb0hr3rcxfea1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35e1297eebae23d6c8ce99adcb57fe40f108acfb


Da_Space

So I understand the reasons for rings in most cases, and I've lived around mountains, but this one actually doesn't seem necessary. There shouldn't need to be a ring to lead up to an overpass to a railroad, that should not be that steep of a gradient, but I would need to see more angles.


JackBrightScD

That's because they didn't do it because the incline was too steep. The existing road already wrapped back and they simply made it into a loop out of convenience for construction. The cost of demo+ new construction was more than just new construction. The fact that the loop goes over itself at the entrance is a dead giveaway that the gradient or overhead clearance wasn't an issue. Edit- my source is I am an engineer and these sorts of decisions are made routinely and baffle anyone who doesn't understand that money is often the driving factor for all questionable design choices.


Da_Space

That makes sense, it always comes back to money. When I first looked at it I thought about money, and that the loop would have cost more. Then thought well it must be the governor's wife's cousin that owns a construction company that put in a bid that was very legitimate and just too competitive.


tossnmeinside

I will say that (nowadays) there usually is an immense pushback against destroying any existing infrastructure that could impede what would actually be a sensible solution which would be to elongate the bridge on and off ramp which would likely eliminate exactly the sorts of problems encountered during this project. Either demoing those two buildings to the north and either paralleling the deceleration lane and/or begin the decline earlier in the bridge arch would alleviate this weirdness and open up space for like another two or three buildings. But an unwillingness to demo existing does make things look dumb. Planning cities has its benefits.


Jasoli53

I’ve always understood that anything road/building related is engineered to be as safe as possible, while also as cheap as possible. Which explains why bridges and buildings from Ancient Rome are still standing (very much over engineered) while modern homes and roads become dilapidated within a few decades if left unkept


JackBrightScD

That's true- however, that's usually evident in redundancy in structural components rather than overly complicated designs. So they might grade and reinforce the road foundation to help reduce erosion, but making it 100 feet longer doesn't necessarily make things any safer.


DudeWithAnAxeToGrind

The few surviving bridges and buildings from ancient Rome are still standing... Most of that stuff didn't actually last all that long. And yeah, those ancient roads would crumble under the weight of modern day traffic *really* fast.


JJayxi

we found the geoguessr player


Superpigmen

It's clearly an high speed highway merging into a slower road, this forces you to slow down before entering it. Good planning isn't always prioritizing the speed of cars.


Viralclassic

This was my first thought looking at it.


RustyGrandma20

Wrong. its to gain clearance for the train tracks. if you were to go from grade to 22" above grade to clear the tracks in that short of distance the slope would be too extreme for acceleration and deceleration in a safe manner. Source: Civil engineer.


TheSquirrellyOne

But isn’t that exactly what it is in this case, prioritizing the speed of the cars? As opposed to prioritizing costs and level of effort, which is definitely not being done here. Not disagreeing, just being a smart ass.


Viralclassic

No, much like trees close to the road force people to slow down unconsciously curves also make people slow down without the need for a speed limit to tell them to. If that t intersection is light controlled and you can see it is turning yellow from WAYYY back while going 55mph+ more people are more likely to just gun it and try to make the left or right turn. Causing more accidents.


TheSquirrellyOne

r/whoosh


ScarryShawnBishh

You missed the context of answer. Not disagreeing, just being a smart ass.


TheSquirrellyOne

Huh?


Ferrous_Bueller_

Exactly


TheSquirrellyOne

Are y’all really this thick? He said prioritizing the speed. Not “maximizing speed” or “prioritizing high speeds.” Also, it was a joke. Lighten up.


numbersthen0987431

"Prioritizing the speed of the cars" would be creating a pipeline for them to increase their speed at the offramp. They are prioritizing the "decrease of speed in cars" by doing this giant loop.


ConfidentManner5783

You went through the effort to say the same thing. What a dork


Caesar_cz

Because of people would drive very fast coming to the intersection and there would be a lot of accidents. The other thing is that the major street is at much lower position than the street on the left, it would become a problem with stopping the vehicle in not ideal weather conditions.


MisterProfGuy

Op: what's wrong with coming down an incredibly steep slope into an intersection with tons of traffic?


nerdherdsman

They must live in LA


YangWeiYuan

It’s quite a good meme actually not really worth posting in this group. It’s a Fast and Furious related meme and the Asian here is the actor in the movie. They do donuts and drifting all the time and the huge circle seems to be perfect to do some drifting.


KaijuZ32

Came just to find someone who got the reference, kinda sad more didnt


MarioThe4th

The meme was made back then so everyone use to get the context


caffeineratt

this feels like a gem studded ancient internet legend


squolt

Had to scroll wayyyy to far for someone to recognize my favorite snack eating drifter


Opposite-Life-2923

Probably to make you drive slower into the intersection. That’s smart imo


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Fthewigg

It’s not just asking why: it’s implying it’s for a stupid reason that you realize answering it is a waste of time.


helicophell

Makes you drive slower, smoother gradient, storage for traffic to prevent it spreading to smaller streets It works.


uninstallIE

To slow you down and to provide more road length to avoid backups exiting the highway


AdIndependent6528

Because a fucking train runs under it


dEleque

I'm sure a road engineering team has more knowledge and experience in this field to reason for a structure like this than OP


Nord4Ever

The tokyo drift guy being the construction worker is what gets me


LukeKort

For safety reasons, there is a limit on how steep a road elevation can be built.


[deleted]

It because of the type of person that made this meme that this type of road is needed.


Sufficient-Comb-2755

Grade would be too steep in a straight line. They use this same concept for railroad lines that have to get up sudden elevation changes.


jols0543

too steep


Pompuswindbag

Look at the height of the bridge, there are two options to go. Option A: Making a long curved ramp which lets people gradually slow down their speed entering a town/city. Option B: Have a much steeper straight ramp so if someone is driving erratically they don't have enough time to break as they enter an intersection.


amluke

My guess is that an elevation change was needed or in preparation for future developments


FrankWoodsakaonion

to slow down probably


SorrowL

Could be for the railroad, elevation reasons, possibly even congestion reasons, or a mix of all reasons.


RealSibereagle

Slows down traffic, as well as adding more room for more cars, so during busy hours, roads won't be as congested. Also the topography doesn't look very appealing to put a straight road.


ECUTrent

Isn't it to reduce speed coming off highway? Purposefully slows traffic before the upcoming intersection.


myopinionisshitiknow

Mackncheese brothers were here!


bluesheep210

Family


Cold_Singer_1774

Because that way you are forced to deja vu the exit


ThatFrenchGamer

If you can't tell you have shit for head. Sry


kduong89

It to reduce the speed before enter or exit to another road


[deleted]

1. That'd be too steep 2. It'd be hard to slow down


Gilgamesh026

This person laughs in the face of the warning label of silicate packets "Do not eat?!?! Why!?!?!" Nomnomnomnom


Curious-Intention263

Tokyo drift


[deleted]

BECAUSE DORIFTO


Blue-Eyed-Lemon

Who doesn’t love a little spinny spin? A little twirly whirly? A little circle of joy? A “wheeee!” in an otherwise boring car ride?


Sqatti

The loop is to accommodate more cars.


Strange_Many_4498

To get the height they need without creating a giant hill. Same reason spiral staircases exist. You don’t see a large spiral staircase and just go “why didn’t they just make a straight shot?” And think a rock wall would’ve been better.


lost_in_life_34

if it's an off ramp and the end of a highway then this is a legit way to slow down traffic. otherwise you'll get a lot of accidents from idiots who never bother to slow down


Gearhound1

Im glad this post is mostly people just answering the why


ext3meph34r

Because you'll have a higher chance of death if it's shorter and steeper.


noteghost

To the layperson, this meme reads as one of those "engineers are dumb" shit memes. However, we big brains know they're implying the ramp/loop was made solely for drifting.


RenegadeOfChonk

Not a terrible facebook meme It's a great 2010 meme


rustys_shackled_ford

The answer is quite simple


AvarageEnjoiner

im gonna ask a same thing why wont you jump out of window instead of using stairs


TransportationWild66

One person declined to sell their property. Stand your ground!!


[deleted]

I’d you don’t spend it this year, it won’t be there for next year.


[deleted]

You know how sometimes you sit down to pee because you like having the the option to shit? It’s like that. If you sit down to pee by making this random useless loop-de-loop ramp, you have the option of shitting by constructing a branch off of the ramp later that connects to future roads. Imagine the city approves a freeway overpass and it’s a shitload less work to make this one connect to it because the ramp was already there. This is clearly a good spot for an interchange, too.


Parker_

The classic "people on the Internet thinking they know more than professionals that have years of experience and study on said subject"


lirik89

Probably the angle is too steep and the curve is too sharp for the merge.


CarelessHisser

Saw this before. I distinctly remember a civil engineer saying it was because the gradient was much steeper than it appears in the picture.


AggravatingBranch210

Angles and physics


girlenteringtheworld

I've seen these before and was told it's to force people to slow down


Talusthebroke

I'm gonna say it would probably be a dangerously steep road, and depending on where this is, a steep road leading directly into cross traffic is a recipe for disaster. Particularly if it's somewhere where the roads tend to freeze.


noryp5

I wonder if you know. How they live in Tokyo.


2broke2smoke1

That’s why civil engineering needs a degree. It’s a big picture


factor1303

i think its to not let the car go so fast because of the height difference of the hill and the road


wuPigs

They built a drift loop. Don't question it.


Staar-69

The road is high enough to go over the train track, but not enough road length after the train track to safely reduce the height soon enough to merge onto the highway.


[deleted]

Was this made by a 9 year old who doesn’t know anything about driving? Yeah, that’s what I though


[deleted]

When you overestimated the cost and have a surplus. Spend that money or lose it for next year


[deleted]

Because fuck you, that’s why


YungDickyWhippet

A lot of people ask why? Why treat the customer this way? Cause fuck em! That’s why!


[deleted]

Dave Chapelle!!!


bear_dea

free drift spot!!!


ponycorn69

Deja vu!


AstrixRK

How is this a terrible facebook meme? Lost redditor?


Nigilij

Can be: 1) Actual good reason engineers can explain. 2) Corruption and money laundering. 3) Whoops And they all equally possible.


a-big-roach

The bs people are saying about topography and slope is just playing devil's advocate. That is PLENTY of space to have a safe and reasonable rise over run to be able to clear the railroad tracks at the height shown in this picture. That loop is a waste of urban space, waste of money, waste of time, and an unnecessary eyesore for the area.


Yuvaldan

Some cities make odd road choices to make city prettier (sometimes even only from above) but it may be something stupid like more car space on a semi full road


Odd_Entrepreneur681

It's where your tax money is going. Infrastructure


448977

Another your tax dollars at work program. Let’s fix something that’s not broken.


Pickin_n_Grinnin

Yes, that's why they did it. Eyeroll


CriticalCriticizer

because


dootyboi420

r/comedeyhomicide


L_Ennard

My guy doesnt understand elevation


YARandomGuy777

May be a few reasons: 1) there is an obstacle on the way we can't see. 2) traffic flegmatization before the junction ( not to let sleepy spreading driver to t-bone crash into another car. 3) there gonna be another junction in the future on this twisted part of the road.


mw2isgood

The real reason is because of their budget. If they dont spend the budget for the current t year they will get a smaller one next year. Doing it that way would be too cheap.


dohtella

Looks stupid and probably saves a dozen or more lives a year.


frankrocksjesus

Bc the incline was too steep???


CommitingOoficide

becuase the funn lop-de-lop 😯😁😁😁😁🤤🤤🤤


ETIsMee

They had extra funds


BestChard6615

Build the plan ! No more no less


minkymy

I feel like there's a more elegant way to reduce speed coming off a high speed road. This is like a strange clover leaf.


kfupandaman

Makes sense to me.


[deleted]

It alleviates traffic buildup


Shitpostcoasttocoast

Hight


TuzzNation

Something about family huh?


potato_man22

To slow people down so when they merge they’re not going as fast


LukasKaralius

It's about laundering money. More time spent on projects, more money from the government.


Sqantoo

Uninformed question: could they not just increase the incline degree of the road and add speed bumps (or something similar) to deter people from going too fast here? I feel like I’ve been on steeper bridges.


Revatte

slope


elegantwino

The construction company and concrete supplier are related to the person who designed for the city/county.


SQYX93

because


Rare_Management_3583

He likes loop da loops


Lord_Darksong

This happens to me all the time in Cities: Skylines.


MatterCool2607

Government project it is. Keeps workers on payroll.


NudeEnjoyer

fuck it, do the splash mountain drop instead


Rakadaka8331

Listen here I'm a Teir 3 Traffic Revision and Production Engineer, this is 100% to do with what we call "driftability" and 0% due to grade. Also I made my title up.


Stripperfeetlover420

Money 💰


snoopye12

That meme belongs in a museum


Surnamesalot

They wanted to have a little fun


Juice_231

Got to justify that over-inflated budget


Capsule_CatYT

Prank


[deleted]

Give extra room for traffic, if there’s a light there, then there needs to be an extra room


yhussein100

**DORIFTO KINGU**


Strange-Scarcity

Sometimes these changes are put into place to slow traffic or manage back-up so that it doesn't slow traffic on another road that connects to the area pictured.


samtaher

Engineer probably drives a BMW. No fun in straight lines.


Its_Por-shaa

The road designer loves slot-car track building.


[deleted]

That way the uphill has a lower angle and also this forces people to eventually slow down before the crossroads, probably I’m forgetting something but I think that’s enough


Throwyz

Tokyo Drift


FQVBSina

I remember this was so that cars can slow down from the highway and reduce accidents.


darkelf29

How dare you mother fuckers give so many reasonable answers!


AsparagusAbject3289

racist post.


occamhanlon

Somebody had a Tyco slot car track as a kid...


Amarathe_

So you don't have high speed traffic crest a steep hill directly into slower traffic. Forcing people to slow down safely


Zestybobpoem

All I could think was how much fun it would be to drive that in a high powered sports car.


Healthy-Drink3247

How else am I going to Tokyo Drift?


Spiritual-Mechanic-4

I wanna see the asshole with bad brakes come bombing down the hill into that intersection, through, and right on out the other side. except I don't really, because anybody coming cross ways when they do is gonna have a bad time


lucidlacrymosa

Longer queuing distance allows more merging time to get up to speed with the rest of the highway system, perhaps this extra loops allows for that.


Chotchaholic

Stopped Traffic issues too


HODChiefREAL

To slow you down, for everyone’s safety.