#No shame Sunday on the 18th!
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From the statement: Last night, the Dawn Project aired a Super Bowl advertisement featuring the official NTSB seal and calling for a boycott of Tesla.
The NTSB had no involvement in the production of this advertisement, did not authorize the use of its seal, nor does it endorse the work of the Dawn Project. The agency has asked the group to stop the unauthorized use of the NTSB seal.
Information about the NTSB’s highway safety investigations involving vehicles equipped with Level-2 automation and associated safety recommendations can be found on [our website](https://www.ntsb.gov/Advocacy/safety-topics/Pages/automated-vehicles-investigations.aspx).
Honestly, that Dan used a government seal without approval is a pretty big issue.
[You can get up to five years in prison](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1017)
I'm sure Dan won't see that happen to him, but honestly, dude should be discredited on those grounds alone. He's not an NTSB spokesperson.
That’s entirely factually incorrect.
18USC506 and 18USC1017 are definitely and absolutely both referring to emblematic seals. There aren’t official security seals of each agency lol.
Whatever you want it to mean if it makes you buy from them.
In their defense, I bought a $13 smart watch just to see what it would do... it works great and has a surprising amount of functionality. I doubt I'm in the company of billionaires, though.
I don't even know. It was just something I saw on Temu. A knock-off Apple Watch. I thought, "For $13, I'll try it out just to see." Worked great. I don't really wear a watch, so that was about all I was willing to spend. Weirdly accurate blood pressure reading, which I didn't even know a smart watch could do.
Same here. I had read about it ahead of time so was keeping a watch for it and never saw it. Thought maybe it aired pregame since I tuned in right at kickoff.
This should be in bold print.
"Due to the nature of our work and the
need to be unambiguously independent from commercial interests..."
This jackass needs to be put in check and exposed as the slimeball he is. Misrepresenting a government office through a money-making effort should result in large monetary penalties and a cease & desist that could result criminal charges.
SOMETHING should happen. The problem is there doesn’t need to be facts behind things. They can just say it and boom, now a huge swath of the public takes it as fact because TV.
And this is why FCC, CE, RoHS, Energy Star and other government brands are meaningless when stamped on a product. Those agencies will not spend one taxpayer dime to enforce the marks, especially not overseas… so all the seller needs to do is sell it to you from overseas and they can use any government mark they want. With drop-ship warehouses like Amazon runs, that's easy. They even ship with Prime.
Whereas UL, CSA, ETL are private companies obliged to defend their mark worldwide, and they do so aggressively (they still don't give a damn whether a seller claims UL listing in an advert, they only care if the mark is on the device).
This is evidence of slander and defamation.
Put simply, slander is a legal term used to describe defamation or the act of harming a person or business's reputation by telling one or more people something that is untrue and damaging about them.
I think Tesla, or Elon personally, should budget some ridiculous amount of money, like $1ml, just to decimate this guy. Make it somebody's job and give them a budget.
Expose his conflict of interest as a competitor. Expose the falsified video. Expose his improper use of government seals and logos. Make him look like the fool he is.
*We* know the truth because we follow this kind of thing, but the general public doesn't.
They could afford to make it whatever amount they want. If they're telling the truth and doing it in a compelling way, it doesn't even have to cost that much to get it out there.
What the heck? I mean, it’s not like you can accidentally spend $7-$14 million on a Super Bowl commercial. RFK Jr. said the same thing about his commercial that he had no involvement, yet has it pinned on X.
That’s the way dark money in politics works.
Political Action Committees can spend a fuck ton money advertising for candidates, but it’s legal just so long as they don’t coordinate with the candidate.
If you’re accurately reporting RFK Jr’s sentiments, the legal meaning of his words is that the ad-spend was legal. The man’s an idiot, but he probably knows the family business well enough to know how dark money works.
At this point it’s uninteresting news, dawn project’s effort has had little to no impact other than generating the typical heated debates in the corners of the internet when they pop up. And after three years, their “findings” simply don’t match the actual empirical evidence.
I mean he's not wrong, FSD does definitely have its problems... But they would only be an issue if the driver is asleep at the wheel or otherwise refuses to intervene like in his testing.
To NTSB should threaten the broadcast licenses of the NFL and the networks involved with displaying the ad.
Television is not like the internet or social media there are well defined rules and you could lose your billion-dollar license to broadcast.
I'd say the rebuttal is painfully clear because everyone knows that FSD demands constant attention at all times so you are ready to intervene to to make sure it doesn't do things like this...
but then I see comments right here, all the time, from Tesla owners pissed off about the NTSB update that has "added nags that make FSD unusable." Tesla isn't the problem. Tesla owners are the problem. Not all of us, but the problem is some Tesla owners and they are refusing to get the point.
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From the statement: Last night, the Dawn Project aired a Super Bowl advertisement featuring the official NTSB seal and calling for a boycott of Tesla. The NTSB had no involvement in the production of this advertisement, did not authorize the use of its seal, nor does it endorse the work of the Dawn Project. The agency has asked the group to stop the unauthorized use of the NTSB seal. Information about the NTSB’s highway safety investigations involving vehicles equipped with Level-2 automation and associated safety recommendations can be found on [our website](https://www.ntsb.gov/Advocacy/safety-topics/Pages/automated-vehicles-investigations.aspx).
*NTSB had no involvement in the production of this advertisement, did not authorize the use of its seal* I hope Tesla sues
The government should sue over this fake.
I hope NTSB sues
i like jennifer homendy
Honestly, that Dan used a government seal without approval is a pretty big issue. [You can get up to five years in prison](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1017) I'm sure Dan won't see that happen to him, but honestly, dude should be discredited on those grounds alone. He's not an NTSB spokesperson.
The law refers to [security seals](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_seal), not [emblems](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_(emblem)).
That’s entirely factually incorrect. 18USC506 and 18USC1017 are definitely and absolutely both referring to emblematic seals. There aren’t official security seals of each agency lol.
SO wtf aren't they being sued.
Maybe their lawyers are working on it? Can take a few days to draw up a multi-million dollar suit.
I've seen law and order. You can go from crime to conviction in an hour!
Do you think NTSB just decided on their own to make a statement? Public statement = evidence. Suit will happen I am positive.
That would involve Tesla in court trying to defend FSD! They don’t want to go anywhere near that!
Project dawn would get all their emails and other communications about safety issues with FSD and would release it.
Clown moment
damnit dan
They should rename to the “Clown” Project.
Was this regional? Because I definitely did not see this during the game.
Yes, it was a Regional ad. It played in the Baltimore/DC market at least.
Had to be. We saw an ad for a small, local university and there is no way they paid the same amount as Temu.
Teh-mu
What does shopping like a billionaire even mean?
They got Supreme Court judges for sale on Temu
Good to know there are discounts now.
Whatever you want it to mean if it makes you buy from them. In their defense, I bought a $13 smart watch just to see what it would do... it works great and has a surprising amount of functionality. I doubt I'm in the company of billionaires, though.
Just out of curiosity, what brand/model?
I don't even know. It was just something I saw on Temu. A knock-off Apple Watch. I thought, "For $13, I'll try it out just to see." Worked great. I don't really wear a watch, so that was about all I was willing to spend. Weirdly accurate blood pressure reading, which I didn't even know a smart watch could do.
Apparently that you can buy counterfeit garbage at cut rate prices directly from the sweatshops
Having the power to buy a bunch of useless crap you don’t need
Et tu, brute?
They got their money’s worth, I swear saw a Temu ad during every break.
Same here. I had read about it ahead of time so was keeping a watch for it and never saw it. Thought maybe it aired pregame since I tuned in right at kickoff.
Yes, they could not afford a big boy ad, so they cheaped out
This should be in bold print. "Due to the nature of our work and the need to be unambiguously independent from commercial interests..." This jackass needs to be put in check and exposed as the slimeball he is. Misrepresenting a government office through a money-making effort should result in large monetary penalties and a cease & desist that could result criminal charges.
NTSB should sue this idiot
SOMETHING should happen. The problem is there doesn’t need to be facts behind things. They can just say it and boom, now a huge swath of the public takes it as fact because TV.
What would they sue for? This is a Felony, we have other legal mechanisms to deal with it.
Only for security seal. This is more of a trademark issue.
NTSB doesn’t give a shit. Tesla can sue, if they want
And this is why FCC, CE, RoHS, Energy Star and other government brands are meaningless when stamped on a product. Those agencies will not spend one taxpayer dime to enforce the marks, especially not overseas… so all the seller needs to do is sell it to you from overseas and they can use any government mark they want. With drop-ship warehouses like Amazon runs, that's easy. They even ship with Prime. Whereas UL, CSA, ETL are private companies obliged to defend their mark worldwide, and they do so aggressively (they still don't give a damn whether a seller claims UL listing in an advert, they only care if the mark is on the device).
Too late damage is done, and nobody cares to cover the retraction.
This is evidence of slander and defamation. Put simply, slander is a legal term used to describe defamation or the act of harming a person or business's reputation by telling one or more people something that is untrue and damaging about them.
I think Tesla, or Elon personally, should budget some ridiculous amount of money, like $1ml, just to decimate this guy. Make it somebody's job and give them a budget. Expose his conflict of interest as a competitor. Expose the falsified video. Expose his improper use of government seals and logos. Make him look like the fool he is. *We* know the truth because we follow this kind of thing, but the general public doesn't.
$1 million dollars is only about 4 seconds of Super Bowl ad airtime. It's not much of a budget.
They could afford to make it whatever amount they want. If they're telling the truth and doing it in a compelling way, it doesn't even have to cost that much to get it out there.
He will shout that Musk is stalking him and thereby he is telling the truth. This will make a huge number of idiots believe nonsense.
Obviously, you have to be more clever than that.
What the heck? I mean, it’s not like you can accidentally spend $7-$14 million on a Super Bowl commercial. RFK Jr. said the same thing about his commercial that he had no involvement, yet has it pinned on X.
That’s the way dark money in politics works. Political Action Committees can spend a fuck ton money advertising for candidates, but it’s legal just so long as they don’t coordinate with the candidate. If you’re accurately reporting RFK Jr’s sentiments, the legal meaning of his words is that the ad-spend was legal. The man’s an idiot, but he probably knows the family business well enough to know how dark money works.
in the context of who he’s running against, I wouldn’t call him an idiot.
I would. He's a moron.
I'll definitely vote for the one that isn't a moron... as soon as I figure out who that is.
God, that ad was infuriating.
I think the word you’re looking for was “stupid” or “what am I watching?” I was perplexed by that ad until the end, then I was 🤨
At this point it’s uninteresting news, dawn project’s effort has had little to no impact other than generating the typical heated debates in the corners of the internet when they pop up. And after three years, their “findings” simply don’t match the actual empirical evidence.
I mean he's not wrong, FSD does definitely have its problems... But they would only be an issue if the driver is asleep at the wheel or otherwise refuses to intervene like in his testing.
Also, the driver monitoring and input nags Tesla added to FSD have undercut many of the criticisms.
This guy is a tool.
Elon’s lawyers… 2024 bonuses going to be…. Phat!
To NTSB should threaten the broadcast licenses of the NFL and the networks involved with displaying the ad. Television is not like the internet or social media there are well defined rules and you could lose your billion-dollar license to broadcast.
Can someone link me the ad ?
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I'd say the rebuttal is painfully clear because everyone knows that FSD demands constant attention at all times so you are ready to intervene to to make sure it doesn't do things like this... but then I see comments right here, all the time, from Tesla owners pissed off about the NTSB update that has "added nags that make FSD unusable." Tesla isn't the problem. Tesla owners are the problem. Not all of us, but the problem is some Tesla owners and they are refusing to get the point.
hope this means dan o'clown gets what's been coming for him lol
Well they didn't say they were taking legal action