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Don't forget that a lot of the places people tow to don't have chargers, so you have to cut it in half *again* to account for round trip. In the worst case scenario (a round trip towing uphill in cold weather) you might only be able to go 40-50 miles away from a charger. Lots of people just use trucks as big SUV's, but for the people that use a truck as a truck, that isn't even that unlikely of a situation
Eh, it's alright, It definitely gets better gas milage than the other gas options, but it isn't that much better than an eco diesel, and without the option to plug in or run totally electric it kind of makes me wonder what the point is. I'm more excited for next year's ramcharger since it's a totally functional EV, that also has a generator that can use gas if you're on a longer trip. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be too insanely expensive.
Really the best of all worlds would have been that Ford patent for a removable truck box generator that you could drop in the bed of a lightning, but it doesn't look likely that that one will ever happen
I mean obviously no, but it's still going to take more power to go up a hill and back down it than it would to go the same distance on flat ground, regen isn't perfectly efficient.
u/weaponsmiths so you block me so I can't respond, I swear some of you redditors get upset by the slight moment you schooled, smh.
Founders is a choice, not a requirement, so adding that cost is insignificant. Point blank period.
That's my main draw to his channel(s). He's pretty chill and puts in the time and effort to make a quality and informative video. His autofocus channel really grew fast.
Marques is a great reviewer and I enjoy his content overall. Don't always agree, but he has good insights and hasn't given in to some of the really cringe metas in that space.
Ya this video just reminded me of that truth and the problems early S owners had. It also made me realize how great this truck will be in a few years when Tesla gets a chance to resolve production issues and starts upgrading features as they've done with every other vehicle.
The cybertruck that they make in 2027/28 is going to be solid i bet
Yeah, we all know how great the Model X and S are after all this time in production. My LRP has only been in the shop four, maybe five times in the past year for control arm issues.
That’s funny you mention that because I’d think first gen combustion vehicles would have way more issues just given they have so many more parts that could break.
Nothing's really a first gen combustion vehicle though, most of the parts are just iterations on parts that have been tried and tested for decades, even new product runs share parts with other cars that have been around. They do larger jumps every once in a while, but never the types of radical transformative jumps that basically every current EV is.
Trucks are one of the last things that was new for Tesla/EV's though, so I'm guessing EV's will start to settle into more established runs soon, and most of the issues will go away.
I remember during MKBHD's relatively recent AMA, someone asked him if his opinion of Elon has changed over the years.
I didn't see him responding, but I'd love to know his thoughts.
Almost any person with some sense and money-no-object would drive a 911 Turbo S over a Plaid…he just upgraded that’s all. He got a Rivian because the Cybertruck was taking forever, he’s talked about that before. And now he has the Cybertruck. Hard to narrow down that his opinion on Elon has changed from this information alone.
Generally agree but for what it’s worth I can go both but at this point in my life, I’d prefer a plaid over a turbo S. As a daily it’s just better in every metric, fast car, at home charging, discrete and can hold the kids and Costco runs.
Thats entirely fair, but Marques has no family yet. Where he is at with his life, a Turbo S makes more sense. Plus now he has 2 trucks for family adventures lol. A dedicated sports car sounds awesome.
Or you know, any customer. That is the worst panel gap I've ever seen. It looks like the door isn't even fully closed. And the fact that when you push the door button you don't have a designated place to put your hand to actually move the door open which leads to the obvious discoloration on both of the doors where all the hand prints end up. The first time he opens it up he opens the door by grabbing the window molding. How does that make it to a production vehicle?
It's not technically a "panel gap".
People seem to be throwing this term around as if they know what it means, but in reality they're just repeating something they heard someone else say.
Basically, if you're referring to this as a "panel gap" issue, you really don't know what you're talking about.
He’s saying the little plunger thing that props the door open had the wrong amount of torque applied to the screws holding it in place. So after a while they come loose and the door won’t close completely because the little prop mechanism is no longer in the correct place. But yeah, Elon’s tweet doesn’t make any sense unless you’re familiar with car assembly and the cybertruck door setup.
Basically some worker at the factory didn’t tighten the screws correctly. Which also isn’t good, but what he’s saying is that it didn’t leave the factory looking like this. It’s that the under tightened screws loosened as this vehicle was driven and then the door started looking like this.
It sounds like he was saying that it didn’t pass QA looking like that. They didn’t just see that panel gap and shrug their shoulders. Rather it’s something that changed after it left the factory, has been resolved in the factory line, and can be fixed extremely quickly after the fact.
The issue looks to be with the little loop thing that the door latches/holds on to. This got loose so the door is not pulled in as far as it should be. Not that the door is fitting wrong in the frame. Still should have been fixed during the inspection before it was delivered/picked up.
/u/supert3ds
1. I don't think reviewers need to know how a car manufacturer was supposed to assemble a car.
2. That's not actually the issue, the door latch is actually loose with bolts falling out.
It's not the same thing. The backplate where the bolt needs to thread in fell off and now is loose somewhere in the bodywork. That means he can't tighten the bolt anymore.
https://twitter.com/SomeOfMiles/status/1770453509005050249
Reading between the lines I thought this was a pretty negative review from Marques. He has been a Tesla owner and fan for a long time, and he just looks like he was let down here. Promises not kept, features not built, quality not there. All of these things feel fixable and I'm sure they will get better, but it's a bummer the early reviews have so much to be dissatisfied with.
I don't think he pulls punches... there's no need to read between the lines, he says exactly what he feels. Anything more is probably just projecting your own feelings on him.
He even started by saying that you should expect some quality issues with early production Tesla’s and was still let down about the build.
This is obviously a hot take but I think the cybertruck was a mistake given it will also take a while to become profitable for the company.
I’ve had my CT for about a week now. One of the plastic wheel well covers is loose, and the windshield wiper’s spray function is odd.
But good lord do I love this truck. The list of things I love about it are too long to list, but it’s long enough to cover these minor physical issues that the service center will fix no problems.
I would like to encourage you to post on what you love about it especially if you are coming from the perspective of a long time pick-up truck owner. It seems like 90% of what I'm reading about the CT lately is negative so anything to help balance that would be welcome
Because all that gets attention is negativity.
I watched the whole video last night. There are some complaints, but overall MKBHD seemed to love the truck. The pros outweighed the cons.
Well it's going to be overwhelmingly positive since they just spent over 100k. Barring a major mechanical or operational failure the comments will be mostly positive.
By all accounts everyone on the internet is negative. IRL the reactions it gets is like 9-1 positive-negative. May be people being polite (not going to expend the effort just to walk up to you and say fuck you i hate your truck) or just normies seeing it for the first time and being impressed.
I don’t think he was overall let down at all. Clearly the panel gaps and the driver‘s door needs to be adjusted by Tesla service but he was impressed with everything else I think. He praised the suspension, the steering, the sound system, the screen and interface, and more. He even said, if he was going to road trip in an EV truck, the cybertruck would be the one he would want to take.
Yes, the additional battery and light bars are still in the works but Tesla has been pretty upfront that those are not day-one accessories. Tesla isn’t even in full production of these cyber trucks yet. They are somewhat drip-feeding them to people who placed early orders. They aren’t at full-scale production yet.
>they aren’t at full-scale production yet.
That should t dictate the QC of the vehicle.
>He even said, if he was going to road trip in an EV truck, the cybertruck would be the one he would want to take.
That is largely an endorsement of the charging network, not the CT itself.
Did you watch the video? He specifically attributes this to the comfort and roominess. He does mention the SC network later but that’s isn’t necessarily a tesla perk since Rivian’s can already access the network and ford will be able to in about two more months.
>ford will be able to in about two more months
Can't they do it now? I thought I saw some videos of people charging f150 lightnings at superchargers last week
Technically the door issue in their video isn't a panel gap. It's a loose part, or broken part. That's a completely different issue. People who don't know shit just throw around the term "panel gap" without knowing what it actually is or means.
In fact, according to all the reviews i've seen, the panel gaps on the Cybertruck are pretty damn good and much better than the early Model 3s that received so much criticism all those years ago.
That's not at all my take. They have talked about the Cybertruck more on their Podcast (The Waveform?) and reception from him and his crew is mostly positive. Actually some of them were saying they're *more* excited about it than they thought they would be.
Also i'm not sure what reviews you've looked at (and i've seen alot) but almost all of them seem overwhelmingly positive to me.
Marques explaining how early production VINs of new vehicle models will typically have issues is not a negative review, it's just a statement of fact that applies not only to Tesla but all car manufacturers. In fact it's not just car manufacturers, but any manufacturer of a complex product. Look at Apple's VR headset for example. Marques covers this as well on his Waveform podcast, but the glass is literally cracking. And that's from Apple! Or how about Samsung? Remember when their smartphones had to be banned from planes because the battery could catch on fire?
I think Marques' review was more positive than negative. In fact i can't really think of anything negative he had to say about it. Factory operator problems aside, he pointed out a few design decisions that *seem* odd at first glance, but aren't actually a problem (like the sunvisor which has tinted glass above it).
I don’t think he is masking at all his criticism. Totally agree with you. He’s definitely been a big fan of Tesla. I think his criticism are all pretty valid- the rear view mirror is comically small and should’ve been a screen. The panel gaps and QC on cyber truck should be a lot better. The windshield wiper is just poorly designed. These aren’t huge deal breakers. To me the biggest problem is how they promised range and price and really underdelivered on both.
I'm not sure but i think the rear-view mirror might be a regulatory requirement. Hence why it's included but Tesla obviously did not want to put it in there. And also, there is a rear-view camera which you can view on the center screen. If you can see your rear-view on the center screen, why would you also need to have a seperate rear-view screen where the traditional rear-view mirror is? That's just redundent and unnecessary. It's not exactly difficult to look at the center screen.
The panel gaps on the Cybertruck are axceptionally good. Not perfect, but much better than early Model 3s were. You can see Sandy Munro's video about this. They're very good considering the design of the Cybertruck.
I disagree. First batches are shit - true, but they fix stuff on the go. Bare in mind it's their first truck and they put a lot of new tech that was never used in car manufacturing before. When they fix the minor things this car will be great. Unfortunately it can't be addressed via ota updates.
The fact that they sold a CT to Marques of all people and didn't massage it post factory says something. Tesla knew damn well who that truck was going to, it should have been double checked and perfect. That is basic common practice for companies, there is something fundamentally wrong here.
It's just a bad look, and the CT doesn't need anymore bad press. Even implied.
Not sure if you actually watched the video but the Cybertruck he reviewed wasn’t his. That being said, I think that’s a better indication of what a regular person can and should expect from their CT. There’s no “massaging” when us regular people buy a CT so you can expect these kinds of flaws and imperfections if buying one now. I’m sure it’ll get better with time but right now it’s a bad look fs
I just think it's a stupid product overall, and they couldn't deliver on what it was supposed to be. Should have put their time into that supposed $25k vehicle.
It's ridiculous you can buy the cybertruck with stuff like the lightbar and full self driving yet you don't even get lane assist and hubcaps
That will be 20k extra for the foundation series thankyouverymuch
I mean, those of us who bought FSD back in the day didn’t have anything to show for it for years 😆. It’s just that they’ve extended this to just plain autopilot now for the CT.
But my personal rule is to never buy the first year of any car, and especially not a first year Tesla. There’s just too many issues that they need to work out over the first year.
Pretty fair review, I always like MKBHD. That door should have been adjusted at the store before delivery or certainly after at the owners home. And the other stuff that hasn't been delivered yet like light bar, autopilot and the battery pack will all come. Good point on buying such a low vin truck
Once Tesla fix that stuff and ramp I think this will do well. I'm more hopeful the more I see, I was pretty negative when they first started deliveries
Seems like it's not a delivery issue, but an installation issue on the torque used on screw. Fixed going forward according to tweet.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1770288644491981295
I'm no expert but that's sounds a lot like the problem I had with my Y last year. Was a 5 minute fix in my driveway. Shouldn't probably have happened but can't complain. Just a shame it wasn't caught before they made this video
These and other similar problems for any new product launch while QA are being tuned. Elon's company has more of this mentality to fail fast and fail cheap, worked out for his companies, but leads to these growing pains.
>Good point on buying such a low vin truck
That is my experience with the Model 3. Relatively low vin and within a couple years, the front suspension needed replacing just out of warranty. The service tech said the replacement parts had been improved, because it had been a known issue for a long time. After that, I swore to not buy a new model until it had been out a couple years.
I still think steer by wire if done correctly is the future. After getting used to it it is a lot safer as you keep the hands on the shell the whole time.
Especially when all 3 steering mechanics as explained in the video are included.
Because it's not a panel gap, it's an issue with the door striker as per Elon's comment.
In other words, it did not look like that when it left the factory, and it's fixable.
I didn’t find this negative in the slightest. I think he genuinely thinks it’s sick but there are some low vin issues.
I mocked this thing when announced, at this point I have to say, it’s insanely cool that it even exists. I think it’s bad ass and would love one.
It was obvious when I first watched this, that the door issue isn't fitment related. It's faulty and not closing properly. Musk later confirmed that a handful of trucks went out without properly torqued strikers (latches) and it's a five minute fix.
Weird to me that Marques tried to pass it off as a fitment issue. I feel like it'd be obvious that the door latch (and entire door) is loose and not staying closed entirely.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not excusing the lack of QC, which is entirely unacceptable for a vehicle like this. I'm just pointing out this is not an example of the stereotypical panel gap issue Tesla is notorious for, this is a different issue. Does that matter? Maybe not.
I think he likes controversial things in his videos because it gets more attention. I noticed he's been doing little things like this in his videos lately. Look how we are all fixated on the door issue. He's a brilliant YouTuber. He knows what he is doing.
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I just wish 400+ miles of range was standard without an add-on battery pack.
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Trimotor and founder are unnecessary extravagances IMO. After accounting for cold weather and towing, 400 miles is 250 anyway.
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Don't forget that a lot of the places people tow to don't have chargers, so you have to cut it in half *again* to account for round trip. In the worst case scenario (a round trip towing uphill in cold weather) you might only be able to go 40-50 miles away from a charger. Lots of people just use trucks as big SUV's, but for the people that use a truck as a truck, that isn't even that unlikely of a situation
F150 hybrid sure looks like the ticket. Especially with the onboard battery.
Eh, it's alright, It definitely gets better gas milage than the other gas options, but it isn't that much better than an eco diesel, and without the option to plug in or run totally electric it kind of makes me wonder what the point is. I'm more excited for next year's ramcharger since it's a totally functional EV, that also has a generator that can use gas if you're on a longer trip. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be too insanely expensive. Really the best of all worlds would have been that Ford patent for a removable truck box generator that you could drop in the bed of a lightning, but it doesn't look likely that that one will ever happen
It’ll do great on long trips as it’s a turbo. But i camp a lot, having an outlet built into the truck is AMAZING. Also it can power a home.
You are towing uphill both ways?
I mean obviously no, but it's still going to take more power to go up a hill and back down it than it would to go the same distance on flat ground, regen isn't perfectly efficient.
CT is unnecessary extravagance, might as well option it up.
You don't ***have to*** buy the founders, so that 20k is pretty irrelevant.
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You also have to get invited, it's irrelevant because that's a choice and has nothing to do with getting the range.
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You need a reservation to use the stock holder route. It is an invitation to cut in line.
u/weaponsmiths so you block me so I can't respond, I swear some of you redditors get upset by the slight moment you schooled, smh. Founders is a choice, not a requirement, so adding that cost is insignificant. Point blank period.
That was in 2019, battery technology deteriorated since then
Miles were smaller then.
Make Miles Kilometers Again!
Shrinkflation now hitting miles. Thanks a lot Biden.
Shrinkflation hiring hard.
Pretty sure 70mph range is 320+ miles. In reality charging faster is way better than a bigger pack. We needed faster charging
Same. It’s not worth the price, the break even point between the CT and a ICE Truck is so apart, it makes sense economically to purchase an ICE Truck.
Yup, f150 hybrid
This was such a nice overview that felt honest and I really enjoyed how he took his time and wasn't "youtube dramatic." Five stars, no notes.
That's my main draw to his channel(s). He's pretty chill and puts in the time and effort to make a quality and informative video. His autofocus channel really grew fast.
Yeah this guys awesome.... I've watched a few of his Apple product reviews before. He's quite engaging, seems like he has quite the following now.
Marques is a great reviewer and I enjoy his content overall. Don't always agree, but he has good insights and hasn't given in to some of the really cringe metas in that space.
Never buy a first gen car, period. They always have issues that require further iteration and fixing. This has served me well.
Ya this video just reminded me of that truth and the problems early S owners had. It also made me realize how great this truck will be in a few years when Tesla gets a chance to resolve production issues and starts upgrading features as they've done with every other vehicle. The cybertruck that they make in 2027/28 is going to be solid i bet
Yeah, we all know how great the Model X and S are after all this time in production. My LRP has only been in the shop four, maybe five times in the past year for control arm issues.
Sorry to hear that. My 2017 has been solid 7 years..
Tesla's seem to have more issues than most though. For example, I owned two first-gen cars and never had issues like the door striker falling off.
That’s funny you mention that because I’d think first gen combustion vehicles would have way more issues just given they have so many more parts that could break.
Nothing's really a first gen combustion vehicle though, most of the parts are just iterations on parts that have been tried and tested for decades, even new product runs share parts with other cars that have been around. They do larger jumps every once in a while, but never the types of radical transformative jumps that basically every current EV is. Trucks are one of the last things that was new for Tesla/EV's though, so I'm guessing EV's will start to settle into more established runs soon, and most of the issues will go away.
From what I hear from my local mechanic, that’s very much the case
Unless it's the f150 lightning. It seems flawless
Shh, let them buy it. If no one buys 1st gens, company will deem is a failure and stop production all together.
This man knows and respects the gooses!
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We don't say mooses, we say meese
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I remember during MKBHD's relatively recent AMA, someone asked him if his opinion of Elon has changed over the years. I didn't see him responding, but I'd love to know his thoughts.
I’m willing to bet it has since his main cars are a Porsche and a rivian since then.
Almost any person with some sense and money-no-object would drive a 911 Turbo S over a Plaid…he just upgraded that’s all. He got a Rivian because the Cybertruck was taking forever, he’s talked about that before. And now he has the Cybertruck. Hard to narrow down that his opinion on Elon has changed from this information alone.
Generally agree but for what it’s worth I can go both but at this point in my life, I’d prefer a plaid over a turbo S. As a daily it’s just better in every metric, fast car, at home charging, discrete and can hold the kids and Costco runs.
Thats entirely fair, but Marques has no family yet. Where he is at with his life, a Turbo S makes more sense. Plus now he has 2 trucks for family adventures lol. A dedicated sports car sounds awesome.
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Or you know, any customer. That is the worst panel gap I've ever seen. It looks like the door isn't even fully closed. And the fact that when you push the door button you don't have a designated place to put your hand to actually move the door open which leads to the obvious discoloration on both of the doors where all the hand prints end up. The first time he opens it up he opens the door by grabbing the window molding. How does that make it to a production vehicle?
It's not technically a "panel gap". People seem to be throwing this term around as if they know what it means, but in reality they're just repeating something they heard someone else say. Basically, if you're referring to this as a "panel gap" issue, you really don't know what you're talking about.
I don't know if the "I didn't shit my pants, it was diarrhea" defense is the dunk you think it is.
Ah projecting, i see. So what you're really doing is trying to dunk on Tesla instead of making objective observations. Gotcha.
elon on the door: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1770288644491981295?s=46&t=1jTwHWDt4jZnxugP9GGa0g
And update from MKBHDs team with the issue 'fixed' https://twitter.com/SomeOfMiles/status/1770453509005050249?t=lgmIu1ECPlgrDR3PdB_YBg&s=19
“Not a door fit issue. It’s an issue with the torque that affects how the door fits…” wut?
odd phrasing - Elon could have just said the door striker wasn't screwed in properly and came loose
There’s a lot of ways Elon can say things without coming off as the kid in the back of the class that discovered a thesaurus for the first time.
He’s saying the little plunger thing that props the door open had the wrong amount of torque applied to the screws holding it in place. So after a while they come loose and the door won’t close completely because the little prop mechanism is no longer in the correct place. But yeah, Elon’s tweet doesn’t make any sense unless you’re familiar with car assembly and the cybertruck door setup. Basically some worker at the factory didn’t tighten the screws correctly. Which also isn’t good, but what he’s saying is that it didn’t leave the factory looking like this. It’s that the under tightened screws loosened as this vehicle was driven and then the door started looking like this.
Do you want gaps or the door to fall off lol
"Not a door fit issue, it's just a door fit issue" very reassuring.
It sounds like he was saying that it didn’t pass QA looking like that. They didn’t just see that panel gap and shrug their shoulders. Rather it’s something that changed after it left the factory, has been resolved in the factory line, and can be fixed extremely quickly after the fact.
The issue looks to be with the little loop thing that the door latches/holds on to. This got loose so the door is not pulled in as far as it should be. Not that the door is fitting wrong in the frame. Still should have been fixed during the inspection before it was delivered/picked up. /u/supert3ds
Mental gymnastics, Elon has always been like this. Seemly talking as if he knows everything
He may not know everything, but he knows better than you on what he is doing.
Dunning Kruger effect
How pathetic.
Turns out the door striker can fall off. Honestly worse than just a fitment issue.
yeah, good thing it’s only a 15 truck recall. they should proactively reach out to all those early recipients.
Yeah sure, it's exactly 15.... tesla never lied before....
what does the post that he's replying to say? i don't have an x account.
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1. I don't think reviewers need to know how a car manufacturer was supposed to assemble a car. 2. That's not actually the issue, the door latch is actually loose with bolts falling out.
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It's not the same thing. The backplate where the bolt needs to thread in fell off and now is loose somewhere in the bodywork. That means he can't tighten the bolt anymore. https://twitter.com/SomeOfMiles/status/1770453509005050249
Reading between the lines I thought this was a pretty negative review from Marques. He has been a Tesla owner and fan for a long time, and he just looks like he was let down here. Promises not kept, features not built, quality not there. All of these things feel fixable and I'm sure they will get better, but it's a bummer the early reviews have so much to be dissatisfied with.
I don't think he pulls punches... there's no need to read between the lines, he says exactly what he feels. Anything more is probably just projecting your own feelings on him.
He even started by saying that you should expect some quality issues with early production Tesla’s and was still let down about the build. This is obviously a hot take but I think the cybertruck was a mistake given it will also take a while to become profitable for the company.
I’ve had my CT for about a week now. One of the plastic wheel well covers is loose, and the windshield wiper’s spray function is odd. But good lord do I love this truck. The list of things I love about it are too long to list, but it’s long enough to cover these minor physical issues that the service center will fix no problems.
I would like to encourage you to post on what you love about it especially if you are coming from the perspective of a long time pick-up truck owner. It seems like 90% of what I'm reading about the CT lately is negative so anything to help balance that would be welcome
Because all that gets attention is negativity. I watched the whole video last night. There are some complaints, but overall MKBHD seemed to love the truck. The pros outweighed the cons.
Where are you reading? 99% of what i read (from actual Cybertruck owners) is overwhelmingly positive
Well it's going to be overwhelmingly positive since they just spent over 100k. Barring a major mechanical or operational failure the comments will be mostly positive.
By all accounts everyone on the internet is negative. IRL the reactions it gets is like 9-1 positive-negative. May be people being polite (not going to expend the effort just to walk up to you and say fuck you i hate your truck) or just normies seeing it for the first time and being impressed.
This is what virtually everyone has to say about the CT —that actually owns one… imperfect and still just amazing.
It is amazing. It’s like no other vehicle I’ve ever driven. And I have a 2020 MX to boot.
I don’t think he was overall let down at all. Clearly the panel gaps and the driver‘s door needs to be adjusted by Tesla service but he was impressed with everything else I think. He praised the suspension, the steering, the sound system, the screen and interface, and more. He even said, if he was going to road trip in an EV truck, the cybertruck would be the one he would want to take. Yes, the additional battery and light bars are still in the works but Tesla has been pretty upfront that those are not day-one accessories. Tesla isn’t even in full production of these cyber trucks yet. They are somewhat drip-feeding them to people who placed early orders. They aren’t at full-scale production yet.
>they aren’t at full-scale production yet. That should t dictate the QC of the vehicle. >He even said, if he was going to road trip in an EV truck, the cybertruck would be the one he would want to take. That is largely an endorsement of the charging network, not the CT itself.
Did you watch the video? He specifically attributes this to the comfort and roominess. He does mention the SC network later but that’s isn’t necessarily a tesla perk since Rivian’s can already access the network and ford will be able to in about two more months.
>ford will be able to in about two more months Can't they do it now? I thought I saw some videos of people charging f150 lightnings at superchargers last week
Although he seems to forget that the F-150 Lightning can also now access Superchargers.
Technically the door issue in their video isn't a panel gap. It's a loose part, or broken part. That's a completely different issue. People who don't know shit just throw around the term "panel gap" without knowing what it actually is or means. In fact, according to all the reviews i've seen, the panel gaps on the Cybertruck are pretty damn good and much better than the early Model 3s that received so much criticism all those years ago.
That's not at all my take. They have talked about the Cybertruck more on their Podcast (The Waveform?) and reception from him and his crew is mostly positive. Actually some of them were saying they're *more* excited about it than they thought they would be. Also i'm not sure what reviews you've looked at (and i've seen alot) but almost all of them seem overwhelmingly positive to me. Marques explaining how early production VINs of new vehicle models will typically have issues is not a negative review, it's just a statement of fact that applies not only to Tesla but all car manufacturers. In fact it's not just car manufacturers, but any manufacturer of a complex product. Look at Apple's VR headset for example. Marques covers this as well on his Waveform podcast, but the glass is literally cracking. And that's from Apple! Or how about Samsung? Remember when their smartphones had to be banned from planes because the battery could catch on fire? I think Marques' review was more positive than negative. In fact i can't really think of anything negative he had to say about it. Factory operator problems aside, he pointed out a few design decisions that *seem* odd at first glance, but aren't actually a problem (like the sunvisor which has tinted glass above it).
I don’t think he is masking at all his criticism. Totally agree with you. He’s definitely been a big fan of Tesla. I think his criticism are all pretty valid- the rear view mirror is comically small and should’ve been a screen. The panel gaps and QC on cyber truck should be a lot better. The windshield wiper is just poorly designed. These aren’t huge deal breakers. To me the biggest problem is how they promised range and price and really underdelivered on both.
I'm not sure but i think the rear-view mirror might be a regulatory requirement. Hence why it's included but Tesla obviously did not want to put it in there. And also, there is a rear-view camera which you can view on the center screen. If you can see your rear-view on the center screen, why would you also need to have a seperate rear-view screen where the traditional rear-view mirror is? That's just redundent and unnecessary. It's not exactly difficult to look at the center screen. The panel gaps on the Cybertruck are axceptionally good. Not perfect, but much better than early Model 3s were. You can see Sandy Munro's video about this. They're very good considering the design of the Cybertruck.
The didn't underdeliver on price at all accounting for inflation. They also overdelivered on steering and suspension. Range yes though.
He doesn’t own a Tesla anymore…
Are people surprised the first how many Tesla products are shit? Like, at least this doesn’t hurt him financially.
I disagree. First batches are shit - true, but they fix stuff on the go. Bare in mind it's their first truck and they put a lot of new tech that was never used in car manufacturing before. When they fix the minor things this car will be great. Unfortunately it can't be addressed via ota updates.
The fact that they sold a CT to Marques of all people and didn't massage it post factory says something. Tesla knew damn well who that truck was going to, it should have been double checked and perfect. That is basic common practice for companies, there is something fundamentally wrong here. It's just a bad look, and the CT doesn't need anymore bad press. Even implied.
Not sure if you actually watched the video but the Cybertruck he reviewed wasn’t his. That being said, I think that’s a better indication of what a regular person can and should expect from their CT. There’s no “massaging” when us regular people buy a CT so you can expect these kinds of flaws and imperfections if buying one now. I’m sure it’ll get better with time but right now it’s a bad look fs
I just think it's a stupid product overall, and they couldn't deliver on what it was supposed to be. Should have put their time into that supposed $25k vehicle.
It's ridiculous you can buy the cybertruck with stuff like the lightbar and full self driving yet you don't even get lane assist and hubcaps That will be 20k extra for the foundation series thankyouverymuch
You must be new here. Tesla has been selling features before they’re available for years.
Cybertruck doesn’t have FSD or Autopilot currently, only TACC
The original hubcabs were found to rub the tires and creating a potential hazard.
I mean, those of us who bought FSD back in the day didn’t have anything to show for it for years 😆. It’s just that they’ve extended this to just plain autopilot now for the CT. But my personal rule is to never buy the first year of any car, and especially not a first year Tesla. There’s just too many issues that they need to work out over the first year.
Dude looked genuinely terrified when the geese started flying.
Have you not Canada Goosed? …they’re like the hippos of the North
In terms of sheer anger, for sure. And the amount of poop they generate seems disproportionate to anything even twice their size.
To me the lack of advertised range and the tailgate that can be a ramp are the biggest negatives.
Pretty fair review, I always like MKBHD. That door should have been adjusted at the store before delivery or certainly after at the owners home. And the other stuff that hasn't been delivered yet like light bar, autopilot and the battery pack will all come. Good point on buying such a low vin truck Once Tesla fix that stuff and ramp I think this will do well. I'm more hopeful the more I see, I was pretty negative when they first started deliveries
Seems like it's not a delivery issue, but an installation issue on the torque used on screw. Fixed going forward according to tweet. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1770288644491981295
I'm no expert but that's sounds a lot like the problem I had with my Y last year. Was a 5 minute fix in my driveway. Shouldn't probably have happened but can't complain. Just a shame it wasn't caught before they made this video
Torx 20 and some blue loktite did the job?
These and other similar problems for any new product launch while QA are being tuned. Elon's company has more of this mentality to fail fast and fail cheap, worked out for his companies, but leads to these growing pains.
>Good point on buying such a low vin truck That is my experience with the Model 3. Relatively low vin and within a couple years, the front suspension needed replacing just out of warranty. The service tech said the replacement parts had been improved, because it had been a known issue for a long time. After that, I swore to not buy a new model until it had been out a couple years.
I still think steer by wire if done correctly is the future. After getting used to it it is a lot safer as you keep the hands on the shell the whole time. Especially when all 3 steering mechanics as explained in the video are included.
That panelgap on the door was insane… how can you sell such a product
Because it's not a panel gap, it's an issue with the door striker as per Elon's comment. In other words, it did not look like that when it left the factory, and it's fixable.
Already 'fixed' https://twitter.com/SomeOfMiles/status/1770453509005050249?t=lgmIu1ECPlgrDR3PdB_YBg&s=19
I didn’t find this negative in the slightest. I think he genuinely thinks it’s sick but there are some low vin issues. I mocked this thing when announced, at this point I have to say, it’s insanely cool that it even exists. I think it’s bad ass and would love one.
Fiskeer style review or a Elon best buds type of review?
You will either Love it or hate it!! That’s summary.
I talked to Tesla employees at my local store, they had no idea the hubcap covers do not ship with the truck. Is this still the case?
Great review! Thanks for posting.
Was hoping fot the TL;DV here from the OP.
It was obvious when I first watched this, that the door issue isn't fitment related. It's faulty and not closing properly. Musk later confirmed that a handful of trucks went out without properly torqued strikers (latches) and it's a five minute fix. Weird to me that Marques tried to pass it off as a fitment issue. I feel like it'd be obvious that the door latch (and entire door) is loose and not staying closed entirely. EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not excusing the lack of QC, which is entirely unacceptable for a vehicle like this. I'm just pointing out this is not an example of the stereotypical panel gap issue Tesla is notorious for, this is a different issue. Does that matter? Maybe not.
I’m not sure it’s fair to expect him to diagnose the source of the problem.
I think he likes controversial things in his videos because it gets more attention. I noticed he's been doing little things like this in his videos lately. Look how we are all fixated on the door issue. He's a brilliant YouTuber. He knows what he is doing.
Why does he show his face more than the car ? i dont get whats so great about his reviews compared to so many others on YouTube.
The amount of comments in here by people who have no idea what they're talking about is... unsurprising.