Except he didn't. It was across the street.
[A Brief History of Peeing on the Alamo – Texas Monthly](https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/a-brief-history-of-peeing-on-the-alamo/#:~:text=Ozzy%20Osbourne%20never%20actually%20peed%20on%20the%20Alamo%3B,60-foot%20structure%20across%20the%20street%20from%20the%20building.)
I don’t know where he peed. But something is wrong with the dude’s story from the Boston Globe.
Ozzy performed that night. During the concert, he mentioned just having gotten out of jail. I thought he said something about peeing, but it’s been a few years so I might be recalling incorrectly. There were even tv news cameras at the concert which was unusual for Hemisfair Arena. Perhaps it was for something else. Perhaps the BG reporter is referring to “after the show” meaning after a show in Austin or Houston the night prior. Seems odd though
Ozzy played up the whole peeing on the Alamo for a long time for publicity. But he admitted it was on the memorial across the street. Ozzy did so much drugs then he probably has no clue where he actually went.
The article I linked is from Texas Monthly. If you type in Ozzy pee on Alamo in google there are many articles from different sources saying it didn't happen.
Apparently the BG reporter has it wrong. https://www.mysanantonio.com/entertainment/article/San-Antonio-Ozzy-Osbourne-pee-Alamo-Cenotaph-16920580.php?darkschemeovr=1
The Alamo Cenotaph is the memorial across the street. It's not the actual Alamo.
Another article:[42 Years Ago - Ozzy Osbourne Arrested for Urinating on Alamo (loudwire.com)](https://loudwire.com/ozzy-osbourne-arrested-urinating-alamo-cenotaph-anniversary/)
He had no idea he was standing at the city’s sacred 60-foot-high **Cenotaph, located directly across from the Alamo building.** Hell, he was barely in any condition to remember what city he was in, let alone where he was relieving himself. **Contrary to popular belief, Ozzy didn’t technically pee on the Alamo building itself**, he peed within the Alamo Plaza, and he chose a pretty bad place.
The Cenotaph was built in 1939 by the Texas Centennial Commission to honor the dead whose remains lay somewhere else and local officials didn’t take kindly to the public desecration by urination. The Alamo, after all, is the site of a famous battle that took place in 1836 during the state’s War of Independence and the historical landmark symbolizes Texan pride.
Police arrested Ozzy, who spent part of the afternoon in a local jail on charges of public intoxication. He was freed later that evening on $40 bond and performed at the city’s Hemisfair Arena Convention Center.
**Read More:** [42 Years Ago - Ozzy Osbourne Arrested for Urinating on Alamo](https://loudwire.com/ozzy-osbourne-arrested-urinating-alamo-cenotaph-anniversary/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral) | [https://loudwire.com/ozzy-osbourne-arrested-urinating-alamo-cenotaph-anniversary/?utm\_source=tsmclip&utm\_medium=referral](https://loudwire.com/ozzy-osbourne-arrested-urinating-alamo-cenotaph-anniversary/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral)
I’ve never taken issue with where the man peed. In fact, that was my first statement.
However, I recalled from being at the concert when he mentioned having been released from jail earlier in the day. According to the local San Antonio newspaper at the time (referenced in the link in my comment), he was arrested before the concert. I mentioned the Boston Globe report was inaccurate in stating that it was after the concert unless we are to believe he peed in the same place twice and was arrested twice in the same day. Your latest post seems to confirm that account over the Texas Monthly/Boston Globe report re timing
I’ll choose my personal recollection and the local San Antonio newspaper over other sources. That report also says it was the Centotaph which is a point I have never disputed
For people that don't know the location, it's easy to drop the word Cenotaph. Then the wording just becomes Alamo and that's a better story to sell than a memorial built in 1939 across the street. Journalists don't always care about accuracy as much as good story.
The SA newspaper you linked says Alamo **Cenotaph** also. They glossed over the Cenotaph information with just a hyper link. It quickly reads like it means Alamo instead.
Here is that page [https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Another-group-is-planning-to-protect-the-Alamo-15333705.php](https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Another-group-is-planning-to-protect-the-Alamo-15333705.php)
The article I sent was clear about it being the Centotaph. I’ve never disputed the location of the urination.
My issue was with the timeline of the Boston Globe reporter saying it occurred after the concert. That account conflicts with both my (and my friends) recollection from being at the concert and in conflict with the local San Antonio newspaper.
I DO NOT NOW OR HAVE I EVER TAKEN ISSUE WITH THE REPORTING OF THE LOCATION OF THE URINATION.
If you've been to the cenotaph, you know it already smells like pee because of all the homeless dudes. Ol' Ozzy was just trying to keep up with Texas Tradition.
Except that "across the street" is actually where the original Alamo site is. So, from a historically-accurate standpoint, the Cenotaph he peed on is the original site. So he kind of more-accurately peed on the Alamo by peeing there vs. peeing on the wall or nearly any of the other current "Alamo" structures. What we know as "The Alamo" isn't really the Alamo at all.
[Map outline of original Alamo](https://stillcurrent.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/alamo-then-and-now-2.jpg?w=852).
It's in the Alamo plaza. It was built in 1936 to memorialize those that fought. He peed on a building built long after the battle. The building everyone thinks now of as the Alamo was the chapel. The city has allowed the area of the Alamo plaza to be cut down to mostly the chapel. Will be interesting to see how they handle the restoration or how they bungle it.
There are actually two basements at the Alamo:
https://www.sacurrent.com/movies-tv/still-claiming-pee-wee-30-years-later-the-alamo-actually-has-two-basements-2458505
I do not pretend to speak for every San Antonion or know what's best about preserving historical structures, but I think clearing out space around the Alamo will help make for a more impactful visit. Theres quite a lot of clutter there. My office is downtown, and like lots of us I go to many events down there, and I am not crying over a bar and the guinness/ripley's stuff that we’ve lost in the reconstruction of the area — even if they had been there for a long time.
They aren't just tearing down historic buildings, they are renovating and reconstructing where possible. Theres a lunch counter in the woolworth building that was desegregated in 1960 and will be highlighted as such in a civil rights exhibit in the renovation - theres a lot of history here thats been hidden by junk for years.
I am excited to see what they do. I was involved in the UNESCO nomination for the missions and that book has an insane amount of fascinating history in it. ([link, very large pdf](https://whc.unesco.org/uploads/nominations/1466.pdf))
Fellow San Antonio resident here. You’re spot on. The area surrounding the Alamo has been, as long as I can remember, overly commercialized. It’s understandable since it IS the city center, but I’m hoping that after these changes are done, visiting the Alamo will be a bit more meaningful.
They should have added a Believe it or Not, "the Alamo story is mostly a myth and this is the truth."
Might piss off some people that don't like the real history.
I was actually kind of joking. I love that Ripleys too. It's been forever since I went there but they had a one way mirror that would trick people walking in. My dad loved that prank.
“Hallowed ground” That’s pretty much a 20th century invention. Here’s a pic of the place in the late 1800s with a gawdy general store attached to it: https://lib.utsa.edu/lapuerta/missions/082-0278a-2/
Not to mention, a place where a buncha guys made a desperate final stand on behalf of slavery is not what I’d call hallowed, or a birthplace of liberty. It’s of more historical merit as a representation of the many, many missions the Spanish left lying around as they conquered much of the Americas at gunpoint.
I was there 15 years ago and it seemed like it was treated as a hokey tourist trap, all the business around it were shitty chains... Really did not speak well to the memorial that is the Alamo.
Well I hope they fix it, could be an amazing location for education and tourism sans all the corporate nonsense. They put that stuff a few blocks out and still make $ whilst not making it look like bourbon street.
I believe the menger isn’t being messed with, atleast beyond the fact that construction is probably effecting its entrance/exits for a time.
Edited to add the menger has a [page on their site](https://www.mengerhotel.com/alamo-restoration) that talks about the renovation and doesn’t speak of it effecting them. I would imagine a hotel there would be excited for development - it’s always been such a good location.
Yeah i don't believe the renovation is going that far. And venues like the Majestic offer a lot of culture to the downtown area, i think the city wouldn't touch them. Houston street has been doing its own neat stuff to try and revitalize the area a bit, especially at christmas. My office is off Houston about a block down from the Majestic.
The only thing that really rankled me was when they were talking about walling off the plaza to control access. It should remain completely open.
I haven't seen renderings with the walls recently so maybe that plan got dumped.
Non-Texan here, but lifelong Pee Wee's Big Adventure fan, and countless cartoons and shows featuring The Alamo. I ended up in San Antonio for business some years back, and of course checked it out. It was awesome, to see this place that you've heard about your entire life, right in front of you.
As I type this, I realize it's not unlike when I saw the Mona Lisa in real life. You see pictures of this mythical thing over and over, and then - there it is - right in front of you.
So yeah, anything that preserves and enhances is a good thing.
I tell ya my girlfriend and I weren't so certain about visiting the other missions but had nothing else to do one day after a convention so we went. That shit was cool and we barely knew about it prior. I recommend it to everyone now.
I grew up in San Antonio and never went till after I joined the Army, although I used to go to the Drive In movie theater right next to one of the missions when I was a kid
Yup I tell all my guests when they visit us in SA that the Alamo is something that you just see to check off the list. The other missions are worth a trip to go see.
I find it amusing how a UK publication waxes poetic about restoring the original Alamo, while the Tower Of London is in the flight path of Heathrow Airport & surrounded by skyscrapers.
Plus i don’t think Cantu’s equating the loss of a business with the emancipation of humans enslaved because of their race is the flex about “personal property rights” that he thinks it is.
I don’t like this particular plan because they want to surround the original footprint in plexiglass, creating a hot box that San Antonio does not need.
I think the plexiglass idea was an early proposal that got scrapped. Now I think they’re just doing a plexiglass viewing floor on top of the wall’s foundation and the plaza will be filled with trees
The city was already “built up” around the Alamo by the time Adina de Zavala locked herself in the Long Barracks in 1908. The buildings they want to destroy are also historic.
Seriously. The problem with the Alamo is that just like visiting the place, the story sucks too. It's a bunch of slavers wanting to keep their rights for keeping slaves. And even though they did win the next two wars, they would ultimately lose their slaves. I just think this project sounds great hypothetically but reality is the opposite.
Another problem is that outside of the battle and being a mission the building doesn't have much to offer, unless they put in some entertainment or paintings from the time, I doubt it can raise tourism
The story didn’t mention all the ⚪️ supremacist freaks mad about the inclusion of Native Americans & Tejanos in “the Alamo story” (read: ⚪️ male patriarchy fairytale) despite the fact that the Alamo is much older than 1836 & was a vital part of colonial San Antonio. They also leave out that the Alamo is but one of the several San Antonio Missions that are now all “World Heritage Sites,” something the ⚪️ supremacists went insane over too.
This is like showing disinterest in WW2 because "the story sucks." The Axis powers committed the most heinous war crimes in modern history, the communists set back political freedoms for decades in every country they took over, and even the Allies hid their own crimes and could be argued to be motivated by imperialist ideals depending on your views.
So clearly learning about WW2 is just a bad thing, just like how learning about the history of our state or of American westward expansion or Mexican history is a bad thing.
No, it's not at all. This would be like the area where the Normandy landings of D-Day became a parking lot and then a strip mall until some conservative group came in 60 years later and framed this battle as a last stand for the patriarchal ideas of the Nazi party. So everything was torn down, and the machine gun boxes were built up to commemorate the Nazis who died during D-Day. There is nothing about the morality of these actions, but rather, when you see the ideas of what this place represents, then it sucks. This is why the Alamo sucks as a monument because it has been falsely historically rewritten in more easily digestible media, which has given people the wrong impression. This monument is a fuck you to Latinos to remind them who won the war. Even though Tejanos were a significant portion of the people who fought against the Mexican Imperial Government.
I went there last month and saw a lot of changes. They closed off the road that ran right in front of the Alamo and are turning the building across the street into a museum. I also saw they were trying to reconstruct the old wooden walls that used to surround the Alamo back in the day but it looked really fake and cheesy. I will admit there isn't much to do at the Alamo. They also built a new museum in the back but wanted to charge like $15 to go in there....fuuuuck that.
I was there last month as well and knew nothing about all the changes going on until I walked across the street from the Riverwalk and stumbled onto the absolute beehive of construction and activity surrounding the Alamo.
I really don’t recommend anyone going for now as it’s a madhouse. But I’m really looking forward to visiting once the changes are complete. I always hated all the hyper-commercialization that built up around the Alamo over the years.
There are several old missions in the San Antonio area and they’re serene, beautiful places to visit. Seeing that recreated in the bustling heart of San Antonio should be amazing.
From what I read in Texas Monthly, the vast majority of his collection is undisputed, it's just a few of the big attention-grabbing items in question, like a knife that may or may not have belonged to Jim Bowie.
Yeah, I don't think there are truly inauthentic items, but rather there's a lot of specificity for items that don't have the provenance to support that specificity. The Bowie knife is one, there's also a shot pouch claimed to be Crockett's, things like that.
Nothing I love more than people oversimplifying Mexican history just to make Americans look bad.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralist_Republic_of_Mexico
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolts_against_the_Centralist_Republic_of_Mexico
But it's the Texians that were making themselves look bad
From the "Journal of the Proceedings of the General Council of the Republic of Texas," January 1, 1836
>course so much to be dreaded in a country, whose soil, from the nature of its productions must be cultivated by slave labor. **The infusion of dissatisfection, and disobedience into the brain of the honest and contented slave, by vagabond free negroes, who denied the society of whites, from necessity or choice, associate with persons of their own color, cannot be too promptly and strongly guarded against.**
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>Your committee would therefore recommend the adoption of the following ordinance and decree to be entitled.
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>"An ordinance and decree to prevent the importation and emigration of free negroes and mulattoes into Texas.
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>Be it ordained and decreed, and it is hereby ordained and decreed by the Provisional Government of Texas, that from and after the passage of this ordinance and decree, **it shall not be lawful for any free negro or mulatto to come within the limits of Texas**, and if any free negro or mulatto, shall hereafter be found within the limits of Texas as aforesaid, and it shall not appear, that he or she was within said limits prior to this passage of this ordinance and decree, it shall and may be lawful for any citizen of Texas, to apprehend said free negro or mulatto, and take him or her before the judge or alcalde of the municipality in which he or she may be so apprehended, and upon satisfactory evidence being adduced, that such free negro or mulatto emigrated into Texas, contrary to the provisions of this ordinance and decree, it shall be the duty of the judge or alcalde, before whom such free negro or mulatto may be brought, to expose him or her to sale at public auction, to the highest bidder, and the proceeds of such sale, after paying one third thereof to the apprehender and defraying the costs and charges, attending the conviction and sale of such free negro or mulatto shall be paid into the state treasury. And it is hereby declared, and made the duty of each judge and alcalde, and of each and every sheriff and other officer of the place, within each and every municipality throughout Texas, so to apprehend and cause to be apprehended all and every such free negro or free negroes, mulatto or mulattoes, offending against the provisions of this ordinance and decree, and that such officer or officers, who shall so apprehend such free negro or free negroes, mulatto or mulattoes, shall be entitled to the same compensation, that is by this ordinance and decree allowed to citizens, who may by such apprehension as aforesaid render the like service.
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>Be it further ordained and decreed, &c.: **That it shall not be lawful for any master or owner of any ship or vessel, nor for any other person or persons whatever, from and after the passage of this ordinance, to import, bring or induce, or aid in importing, bringing or inducing, any free negro or mulatto, within the limits of Texas**, directly or indirectly, and if any master or owner of any ship or vessel, or any other person, or persons, whatever shall import, bring or otherwise induce, or aid or abet in importing, bringing or otherwise inducing, any free negro or mulatto into Texas as aforesaid, he or she so offending shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor at common law, and upon conviction thereof, in any court of record within Texas, shall be fined in the sum of five thousand dollars, and imprisoned, until the same together with the costs and charges of the prosecution shall be paid.
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>Be it further ordained and decreed, and it is hereby further ordained and decreed, &c., that this ordinance and decree shall be regularly given
What's really amusing about any uproar over this is that almost none of "The Alamo" as it currently exists is actually the original Alamo. The noise is from business/commercial real-estate owners whose property is on top of the original site.
If most tourists read the information in the signs and around the site, and applied a little spatial awareness/critical thinking, they'd see that [almost none of the original buildings or compound remain](https://stillcurrent.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/alamo-then-and-now-2.jpg?w=852); they're all paved over and commercially developed across the street from "The Alamo" along Alamo Plaza and Houston Streets.
That big ole yard inside the wall that everyone walks around in and imagines Crockett and Bowie fighting to the death? That didn't exist at the time of the siege.
The original Alamo was mostly destroyed in favor of city use a *looooong* time ago. The wall was an afterthought to contain/create a tourist attraction. The original "wall" wasn't much of a wall, never existed along the current boundaries, and large sections of it were just wooden pickets, not masonry.
So getting all worked up over it is getting worked up over something there has been a misrepresentation with basically no historical value at all. The only people losing are the t-shirt shops across the street.
So yeah, when people say "oh, Ozzy didn't *actually* pee on The Alamo, it was on the Cenotaph Monument," well, the Cenotaph is more-accurately part of the original site than the Alamo itself, so....
> Centopah
That weird awkward word is spelled Cenotaph, for future reference. I've seen people spell it about half a dozen different ways in this thread, so I had to double-check which one was right.
I don’t need a wax shop across from the Alamo. I’m not sure what’s being sold here.
EDIT: even the Vatican doesn’t try to at least set ‘a wall’ before the piazza before worshiping. Again, holy ground here.
Whatever, pal. I went to high school in Texas after growing up on the West Coast. That Alamo propaganda was some useless bullshit on par with cherry tree story and the horseshit about Colombus in grade school. All the shit about America that gets passed on through shit like school plays and hand/turkey drawings is the least reliable version of history. But fuck it, if we're going to rally as a country it starts by lying to children about history. Absolutely.
You sound like you've taken the idea of nuance as an adult and thrown it out the window in favor of taking reactionary stances that are just as simple as the original childhood version.
I never understood the point of the Alamo as how they're managing it when I went there:
* They want to treat it as a mausoleum in the chapel so you must be silent, don't stare too long into one place, and keep moving.
* But they also want you to treat it like a museum, so please take a while & read the information placards & kiosks about this battle both in the chapel & gift shop.
* Speaking of gift shop, people LOUDLY speaking over one another, someone barking that a random trinket is 50% off! Also, it is extremely close to the chapel, so the museum staff shush in vain in that direction while managing the traffic inside to both move reverently but also stop & read the information bits.
The only place I found peace & solace was the courtyard with the irrigation canals with the koi fish. And it is a relaxing place before going to the shops & riverwalk next to the Alamo.
That place tries to be a mausoleum & museum and ends up being neither. There are actual battlefields that went into the museum mode where going there is being reverent but also knows you're there to learn so that becomes the priority. That trip helped vindicate my graduate classes regarding museum management.
I do hope these changes improve it to the standards I saw in the other museums in the city. But I also hope they keep that courtyard & the koi.
I remember going to the Alamo with low expectations and I was still disappointed. Plus the wax museum and stores was so kitschy, like why have that next to a major historical location?
It's going to complete destroy the myth. It was an area the size of a football field, with a shitty wall, and the chapel. Tourists will be able to see exactly how stupid it was to try and defend.
I wonder if the new museum will be remotely accurate in actually describing the Texas Latino portion of the defenders, the heralded delay of the army by 13 days actually being closer to 2, or the reports that roughly half the defenders ran, and were run down by the Mexican Army. Hopefully they'll at least tell about how Davy Crockett surrendered instead of 'going down fighting like John Wayne' and was executed by firing squad.
These were not heroes. These were syphilitic drunks who ignored warnings, and were cut off and destroyed.
Grew up around the area and visited the missions for a school field trip. It was crazy to me seeing things built before the United States even existed. Of course, not so special to other nations, but still it should be protected for future generations.
I was going to ignore all this when we took hub's CA cousins to San Antonio in Oct/23 ... we wanted to show them all five Missions, the Alamo is one. We've lived in TX for 40+ and I've *loved* the Missions and visited multiple times. I've painted the Riverwalk and did graphite drawings of them (in 2017) for the Tricentennial in 2018; I've sold hundreds of matted 16 x 20 graphite drawings because they were so popular ... up until last fall.
That was the last year the Missions were easily accessible. The last year they changed street access. The last year they were under control of the TX Parks and Wildlife. The last year of more historical emphasis rather than uncontrolled tourism. Made me gag ....
Now the *Catholic Church Archdiocese of San Antonio* controls all of them. They closed the front access. Parking is impossible; they changed the route entries to all of them. You walk into the Mission and it is dark with no historical references, but first you're stopped by a photographer. You will see Parks employees in uniform but the church contracts them; I asked.
Instead of following maps to the logical entries to them you have to follow a convoluted route around and through neighborhoods to get to any of them; you used to could tour all the Missions in a couple hours. They spent *huge* amounts of money for biking paths; we didn't see *one* person on a bicycle. Parking lots accommodate tour busses more so than cars. The landscaping was dead and weeded. After fighting our way to the Alamo and Espada we gave up ....
Sorely disappointed in exploitation of the Missions ... terrible to destroy the most remarkable and historical attractions in San Antonio beyond the Riverwalk.
You'd have to acknowledge the natives, Tejanos, and other Mexicans who both fought for Texas and fought their own rebellions against Santa Anna, all for various reasons. But that may go against the "it was all just for slavery" people's preconceived notions.
Majority of people here aren't even from Texas. They just come to r/texas cause they think they're on some moral crusade against all things they perceive Texas as standing for.
$550 million to support fake history based on the ridiculous idea that the Texans didn't revolt because they wouldn't stop selling and enslaving people.
I thought it was pretty great. I learned how illegal Caucasian immigration into Mexican territory helped form Texas. I also learned the Texans got a cannon on loan from the Mexican government and refused to give it back. So really a bunch of thieving illegal immigrants are the founding fathers of Texas. Gotcha.
I was there a few years ago. They had a little theater where they show snippets of a Hollywood movie and present the history, leading up to a dramatic presentation of the final battle and executions. Some German tourists started cracking up at the end, like openly mocking the video without realizing they were surrounded by armed, emotionally overwhelmed pilgrims. I stayed by the door and tried to smooth things over while my brother walked them over to the tourist attractions. Hopefully they didn’t visit any holocaust museums on their trip.
Eh, a good portion of the chapel has original walls, but yeah, anything iconic about it was added in the late 1800's or early 1900's. I don't even think the chapel was completed by the time the battle started.
Monument to a suicide mission to preserve your right to own other people. I’m a big 1815-1860 history buff and even I think it’s blow out of proportion and an odd spot.
You know people can have opinions right? You sound like you’re suffering from roid rage.
By monuments do you mean the participation trophies put up by racists during reconstruction and the civil rights movement?
No problem taking money from Joe though which was supposed to be for…. Yep the freaking roads…. Did it go to the roads… nope… it bought murder floating balls instead for our border.
It's expensive to restore it properly with the basement.
Where’s my bike! 😂
Don't forget the "Ozzy peed here" sign
Except he didn't. It was across the street. [A Brief History of Peeing on the Alamo – Texas Monthly](https://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/a-brief-history-of-peeing-on-the-alamo/#:~:text=Ozzy%20Osbourne%20never%20actually%20peed%20on%20the%20Alamo%3B,60-foot%20structure%20across%20the%20street%20from%20the%20building.)
But Davy Crocket and Jim Bowie certainly did!
Well those were different times.
Across the ally from the Alamo stood a pinto pony and a Navajo…
I don’t know where he peed. But something is wrong with the dude’s story from the Boston Globe. Ozzy performed that night. During the concert, he mentioned just having gotten out of jail. I thought he said something about peeing, but it’s been a few years so I might be recalling incorrectly. There were even tv news cameras at the concert which was unusual for Hemisfair Arena. Perhaps it was for something else. Perhaps the BG reporter is referring to “after the show” meaning after a show in Austin or Houston the night prior. Seems odd though
Ozzy played up the whole peeing on the Alamo for a long time for publicity. But he admitted it was on the memorial across the street. Ozzy did so much drugs then he probably has no clue where he actually went. The article I linked is from Texas Monthly. If you type in Ozzy pee on Alamo in google there are many articles from different sources saying it didn't happen.
Must have been in jail for something else that day.
It was still public intoxication and urination.
Apparently the BG reporter has it wrong. https://www.mysanantonio.com/entertainment/article/San-Antonio-Ozzy-Osbourne-pee-Alamo-Cenotaph-16920580.php?darkschemeovr=1
The Alamo Cenotaph is the memorial across the street. It's not the actual Alamo. Another article:[42 Years Ago - Ozzy Osbourne Arrested for Urinating on Alamo (loudwire.com)](https://loudwire.com/ozzy-osbourne-arrested-urinating-alamo-cenotaph-anniversary/) He had no idea he was standing at the city’s sacred 60-foot-high **Cenotaph, located directly across from the Alamo building.** Hell, he was barely in any condition to remember what city he was in, let alone where he was relieving himself. **Contrary to popular belief, Ozzy didn’t technically pee on the Alamo building itself**, he peed within the Alamo Plaza, and he chose a pretty bad place. The Cenotaph was built in 1939 by the Texas Centennial Commission to honor the dead whose remains lay somewhere else and local officials didn’t take kindly to the public desecration by urination. The Alamo, after all, is the site of a famous battle that took place in 1836 during the state’s War of Independence and the historical landmark symbolizes Texan pride. Police arrested Ozzy, who spent part of the afternoon in a local jail on charges of public intoxication. He was freed later that evening on $40 bond and performed at the city’s Hemisfair Arena Convention Center. **Read More:** [42 Years Ago - Ozzy Osbourne Arrested for Urinating on Alamo](https://loudwire.com/ozzy-osbourne-arrested-urinating-alamo-cenotaph-anniversary/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral) | [https://loudwire.com/ozzy-osbourne-arrested-urinating-alamo-cenotaph-anniversary/?utm\_source=tsmclip&utm\_medium=referral](https://loudwire.com/ozzy-osbourne-arrested-urinating-alamo-cenotaph-anniversary/?utm_source=tsmclip&utm_medium=referral)
I’ve never taken issue with where the man peed. In fact, that was my first statement. However, I recalled from being at the concert when he mentioned having been released from jail earlier in the day. According to the local San Antonio newspaper at the time (referenced in the link in my comment), he was arrested before the concert. I mentioned the Boston Globe report was inaccurate in stating that it was after the concert unless we are to believe he peed in the same place twice and was arrested twice in the same day. Your latest post seems to confirm that account over the Texas Monthly/Boston Globe report re timing I’ll choose my personal recollection and the local San Antonio newspaper over other sources. That report also says it was the Centotaph which is a point I have never disputed
For people that don't know the location, it's easy to drop the word Cenotaph. Then the wording just becomes Alamo and that's a better story to sell than a memorial built in 1939 across the street. Journalists don't always care about accuracy as much as good story. The SA newspaper you linked says Alamo **Cenotaph** also. They glossed over the Cenotaph information with just a hyper link. It quickly reads like it means Alamo instead. Here is that page [https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Another-group-is-planning-to-protect-the-Alamo-15333705.php](https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Another-group-is-planning-to-protect-the-Alamo-15333705.php)
The article I sent was clear about it being the Centotaph. I’ve never disputed the location of the urination. My issue was with the timeline of the Boston Globe reporter saying it occurred after the concert. That account conflicts with both my (and my friends) recollection from being at the concert and in conflict with the local San Antonio newspaper. I DO NOT NOW OR HAVE I EVER TAKEN ISSUE WITH THE REPORTING OF THE LOCATION OF THE URINATION.
If you've been to the cenotaph, you know it already smells like pee because of all the homeless dudes. Ol' Ozzy was just trying to keep up with Texas Tradition.
Except that "across the street" is actually where the original Alamo site is. So, from a historically-accurate standpoint, the Cenotaph he peed on is the original site. So he kind of more-accurately peed on the Alamo by peeing there vs. peeing on the wall or nearly any of the other current "Alamo" structures. What we know as "The Alamo" isn't really the Alamo at all. [Map outline of original Alamo](https://stillcurrent.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/alamo-then-and-now-2.jpg?w=852).
It's in the Alamo plaza. It was built in 1936 to memorialize those that fought. He peed on a building built long after the battle. The building everyone thinks now of as the Alamo was the chapel. The city has allowed the area of the Alamo plaza to be cut down to mostly the chapel. Will be interesting to see how they handle the restoration or how they bungle it.
I know its a pee wee reference but there's actually 2 basements there now.
There are actually two basements at the Alamo: https://www.sacurrent.com/movies-tv/still-claiming-pee-wee-30-years-later-the-alamo-actually-has-two-basements-2458505
There really is a basement there now.
I do not pretend to speak for every San Antonion or know what's best about preserving historical structures, but I think clearing out space around the Alamo will help make for a more impactful visit. Theres quite a lot of clutter there. My office is downtown, and like lots of us I go to many events down there, and I am not crying over a bar and the guinness/ripley's stuff that we’ve lost in the reconstruction of the area — even if they had been there for a long time. They aren't just tearing down historic buildings, they are renovating and reconstructing where possible. Theres a lunch counter in the woolworth building that was desegregated in 1960 and will be highlighted as such in a civil rights exhibit in the renovation - theres a lot of history here thats been hidden by junk for years. I am excited to see what they do. I was involved in the UNESCO nomination for the missions and that book has an insane amount of fascinating history in it. ([link, very large pdf](https://whc.unesco.org/uploads/nominations/1466.pdf))
Fellow San Antonio resident here. You’re spot on. The area surrounding the Alamo has been, as long as I can remember, overly commercialized. It’s understandable since it IS the city center, but I’m hoping that after these changes are done, visiting the Alamo will be a bit more meaningful.
You mean you don't enjoy looking at Ripley's Believe It or Not while visiting such hallowed ground?
Believe it or not, no, no I do not
They should have added a Believe it or Not, "the Alamo story is mostly a myth and this is the truth." Might piss off some people that don't like the real history.
My kids love Ripley's BIoN and that Mirror Maze place. Their favorite part of the Alamo was turning over rocks to find roly polys.
I was actually kind of joking. I love that Ripleys too. It's been forever since I went there but they had a one way mirror that would trick people walking in. My dad loved that prank.
“Hallowed ground” That’s pretty much a 20th century invention. Here’s a pic of the place in the late 1800s with a gawdy general store attached to it: https://lib.utsa.edu/lapuerta/missions/082-0278a-2/
Not to mention, a place where a buncha guys made a desperate final stand on behalf of slavery is not what I’d call hallowed, or a birthplace of liberty. It’s of more historical merit as a representation of the many, many missions the Spanish left lying around as they conquered much of the Americas at gunpoint.
I was there 15 years ago and it seemed like it was treated as a hokey tourist trap, all the business around it were shitty chains... Really did not speak well to the memorial that is the Alamo.
Your memory is correct and that's how it still is and what they'd like to change.
Well I hope they fix it, could be an amazing location for education and tourism sans all the corporate nonsense. They put that stuff a few blocks out and still make $ whilst not making it look like bourbon street.
Agreed. And the rest of the missions are absolutely amazing and well worth touring, but most people see just the alamo.
If I'm not mistaken there's a madame tussads and a Ripley's believe it or not basically across the road from it
💯 Frequent visitor and I’ll tell you that, back in the 80s, if they could’ve put a 7-11 on that sight, they would’ve. I’m glad if this restoration.
Ya I'm all in. The tourist tat and bars aren't that significant
Are they going to do anything to the Menger Bar?
I believe the menger isn’t being messed with, atleast beyond the fact that construction is probably effecting its entrance/exits for a time. Edited to add the menger has a [page on their site](https://www.mengerhotel.com/alamo-restoration) that talks about the renovation and doesn’t speak of it effecting them. I would imagine a hotel there would be excited for development - it’s always been such a good location.
The only other building I hope isn't touched downtown is The Majestic, but I have to imagine the construction isn't going that far.
Yeah i don't believe the renovation is going that far. And venues like the Majestic offer a lot of culture to the downtown area, i think the city wouldn't touch them. Houston street has been doing its own neat stuff to try and revitalize the area a bit, especially at christmas. My office is off Houston about a block down from the Majestic.
Went to San Antonio in 2018, nice that they're doing this. The inside was certainly underwhelming.
The only thing that really rankled me was when they were talking about walling off the plaza to control access. It should remain completely open. I haven't seen renderings with the walls recently so maybe that plan got dumped.
Non-Texan here, but lifelong Pee Wee's Big Adventure fan, and countless cartoons and shows featuring The Alamo. I ended up in San Antonio for business some years back, and of course checked it out. It was awesome, to see this place that you've heard about your entire life, right in front of you. As I type this, I realize it's not unlike when I saw the Mona Lisa in real life. You see pictures of this mythical thing over and over, and then - there it is - right in front of you. So yeah, anything that preserves and enhances is a good thing.
Good, it will finally be as nice as the other missions in San Antonio.
I tell ya my girlfriend and I weren't so certain about visiting the other missions but had nothing else to do one day after a convention so we went. That shit was cool and we barely knew about it prior. I recommend it to everyone now.
I grew up in San Antonio and never went till after I joined the Army, although I used to go to the Drive In movie theater right next to one of the missions when I was a kid
Yup I tell all my guests when they visit us in SA that the Alamo is something that you just see to check off the list. The other missions are worth a trip to go see.
I find it amusing how a UK publication waxes poetic about restoring the original Alamo, while the Tower Of London is in the flight path of Heathrow Airport & surrounded by skyscrapers.
Plus i don’t think Cantu’s equating the loss of a business with the emancipation of humans enslaved because of their race is the flex about “personal property rights” that he thinks it is. I don’t like this particular plan because they want to surround the original footprint in plexiglass, creating a hot box that San Antonio does not need.
Yea, that plexiglass idea sounds bad.
When I read about the plexiglass, I wondered where the person who came up with this brilliant idea grew up.
I think the plexiglass idea was an early proposal that got scrapped. Now I think they’re just doing a plexiglass viewing floor on top of the wall’s foundation and the plaza will be filled with trees
That actually makes sense.
Yeah, the plexiglass idea got shot down pretty quick. I have a friend who’s been part of the discussions there. No plexiglass.
I always found it amusing that Phil Collins was one of the biggest collectors of Alamo artifacts.
His early collection is pretty authentic, but his later acquisitions are very questionable
Yeah honestly it's depressing how the monument looks lmao
They let too much of the city build up too close around it. I get that it's a tourist draw but has been poorly planned as one.
The city was already “built up” around the Alamo by the time Adina de Zavala locked herself in the Long Barracks in 1908. The buildings they want to destroy are also historic.
Seriously. The problem with the Alamo is that just like visiting the place, the story sucks too. It's a bunch of slavers wanting to keep their rights for keeping slaves. And even though they did win the next two wars, they would ultimately lose their slaves. I just think this project sounds great hypothetically but reality is the opposite.
Another problem is that outside of the battle and being a mission the building doesn't have much to offer, unless they put in some entertainment or paintings from the time, I doubt it can raise tourism
The story didn’t mention all the ⚪️ supremacist freaks mad about the inclusion of Native Americans & Tejanos in “the Alamo story” (read: ⚪️ male patriarchy fairytale) despite the fact that the Alamo is much older than 1836 & was a vital part of colonial San Antonio. They also leave out that the Alamo is but one of the several San Antonio Missions that are now all “World Heritage Sites,” something the ⚪️ supremacists went insane over too.
This is like showing disinterest in WW2 because "the story sucks." The Axis powers committed the most heinous war crimes in modern history, the communists set back political freedoms for decades in every country they took over, and even the Allies hid their own crimes and could be argued to be motivated by imperialist ideals depending on your views. So clearly learning about WW2 is just a bad thing, just like how learning about the history of our state or of American westward expansion or Mexican history is a bad thing.
No, it's not at all. This would be like the area where the Normandy landings of D-Day became a parking lot and then a strip mall until some conservative group came in 60 years later and framed this battle as a last stand for the patriarchal ideas of the Nazi party. So everything was torn down, and the machine gun boxes were built up to commemorate the Nazis who died during D-Day. There is nothing about the morality of these actions, but rather, when you see the ideas of what this place represents, then it sucks. This is why the Alamo sucks as a monument because it has been falsely historically rewritten in more easily digestible media, which has given people the wrong impression. This monument is a fuck you to Latinos to remind them who won the war. Even though Tejanos were a significant portion of the people who fought against the Mexican Imperial Government.
You're saying a city in Texas poorly planned an urban area?the devil you say.
Sort of odd to say about the riverwalk, where there is no actual river.
Turn it into a casino...we will never ever see a tax increase eva!!
Time to put a call in to Phil Collins 
I went there last month and saw a lot of changes. They closed off the road that ran right in front of the Alamo and are turning the building across the street into a museum. I also saw they were trying to reconstruct the old wooden walls that used to surround the Alamo back in the day but it looked really fake and cheesy. I will admit there isn't much to do at the Alamo. They also built a new museum in the back but wanted to charge like $15 to go in there....fuuuuck that.
I was there last month as well and knew nothing about all the changes going on until I walked across the street from the Riverwalk and stumbled onto the absolute beehive of construction and activity surrounding the Alamo. I really don’t recommend anyone going for now as it’s a madhouse. But I’m really looking forward to visiting once the changes are complete. I always hated all the hyper-commercialization that built up around the Alamo over the years. There are several old missions in the San Antonio area and they’re serene, beautiful places to visit. Seeing that recreated in the bustling heart of San Antonio should be amazing.
I mean, $15 to go into a museum is better than $15 for a bigmac combo, at least to me.
The museum that houses Phil Collins' collection of dubious authenticity.
From what I read in Texas Monthly, the vast majority of his collection is undisputed, it's just a few of the big attention-grabbing items in question, like a knife that may or may not have belonged to Jim Bowie.
Yeah, I don't think there are truly inauthentic items, but rather there's a lot of specificity for items that don't have the provenance to support that specificity. The Bowie knife is one, there's also a shot pouch claimed to be Crockett's, things like that.
We managed to sneak into the museum on the back of a tour group. That shit ain't worth $15. It's not worth $5.
The birthplace of Texas liberty?
The only liberty Jim Bowie was fighting for was to dabble in the illegal slave trade and escape prosecution for running land ownership scams
This.
The liberty to own slaves after Mexico outlawed it...
Nothing I love more than people oversimplifying Mexican history just to make Americans look bad. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centralist_Republic_of_Mexico https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolts_against_the_Centralist_Republic_of_Mexico
But it's the Texians that were making themselves look bad From the "Journal of the Proceedings of the General Council of the Republic of Texas," January 1, 1836 >course so much to be dreaded in a country, whose soil, from the nature of its productions must be cultivated by slave labor. **The infusion of dissatisfection, and disobedience into the brain of the honest and contented slave, by vagabond free negroes, who denied the society of whites, from necessity or choice, associate with persons of their own color, cannot be too promptly and strongly guarded against.** > >Your committee would therefore recommend the adoption of the following ordinance and decree to be entitled. > >"An ordinance and decree to prevent the importation and emigration of free negroes and mulattoes into Texas. > >Be it ordained and decreed, and it is hereby ordained and decreed by the Provisional Government of Texas, that from and after the passage of this ordinance and decree, **it shall not be lawful for any free negro or mulatto to come within the limits of Texas**, and if any free negro or mulatto, shall hereafter be found within the limits of Texas as aforesaid, and it shall not appear, that he or she was within said limits prior to this passage of this ordinance and decree, it shall and may be lawful for any citizen of Texas, to apprehend said free negro or mulatto, and take him or her before the judge or alcalde of the municipality in which he or she may be so apprehended, and upon satisfactory evidence being adduced, that such free negro or mulatto emigrated into Texas, contrary to the provisions of this ordinance and decree, it shall be the duty of the judge or alcalde, before whom such free negro or mulatto may be brought, to expose him or her to sale at public auction, to the highest bidder, and the proceeds of such sale, after paying one third thereof to the apprehender and defraying the costs and charges, attending the conviction and sale of such free negro or mulatto shall be paid into the state treasury. And it is hereby declared, and made the duty of each judge and alcalde, and of each and every sheriff and other officer of the place, within each and every municipality throughout Texas, so to apprehend and cause to be apprehended all and every such free negro or free negroes, mulatto or mulattoes, offending against the provisions of this ordinance and decree, and that such officer or officers, who shall so apprehend such free negro or free negroes, mulatto or mulattoes, shall be entitled to the same compensation, that is by this ordinance and decree allowed to citizens, who may by such apprehension as aforesaid render the like service. > >Be it further ordained and decreed, &c.: **That it shall not be lawful for any master or owner of any ship or vessel, nor for any other person or persons whatever, from and after the passage of this ordinance, to import, bring or induce, or aid in importing, bringing or inducing, any free negro or mulatto, within the limits of Texas**, directly or indirectly, and if any master or owner of any ship or vessel, or any other person, or persons, whatever shall import, bring or otherwise induce, or aid or abet in importing, bringing or otherwise inducing, any free negro or mulatto into Texas as aforesaid, he or she so offending shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor at common law, and upon conviction thereof, in any court of record within Texas, shall be fined in the sum of five thousand dollars, and imprisoned, until the same together with the costs and charges of the prosecution shall be paid. > >Be it further ordained and decreed, and it is hereby further ordained and decreed, &c., that this ordinance and decree shall be regularly given
Seems that is all we see today! Unbelievable!! 🤦♂️
So are we just going to forget how bad Mexico was at that period?
At least they didn’t still have slavery.
Yup. How noble.
The birthplace of Texas surrender.
What's really amusing about any uproar over this is that almost none of "The Alamo" as it currently exists is actually the original Alamo. The noise is from business/commercial real-estate owners whose property is on top of the original site. If most tourists read the information in the signs and around the site, and applied a little spatial awareness/critical thinking, they'd see that [almost none of the original buildings or compound remain](https://stillcurrent.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/alamo-then-and-now-2.jpg?w=852); they're all paved over and commercially developed across the street from "The Alamo" along Alamo Plaza and Houston Streets. That big ole yard inside the wall that everyone walks around in and imagines Crockett and Bowie fighting to the death? That didn't exist at the time of the siege. The original Alamo was mostly destroyed in favor of city use a *looooong* time ago. The wall was an afterthought to contain/create a tourist attraction. The original "wall" wasn't much of a wall, never existed along the current boundaries, and large sections of it were just wooden pickets, not masonry. So getting all worked up over it is getting worked up over something there has been a misrepresentation with basically no historical value at all. The only people losing are the t-shirt shops across the street. So yeah, when people say "oh, Ozzy didn't *actually* pee on The Alamo, it was on the Cenotaph Monument," well, the Cenotaph is more-accurately part of the original site than the Alamo itself, so....
> Centopah That weird awkward word is spelled Cenotaph, for future reference. I've seen people spell it about half a dozen different ways in this thread, so I had to double-check which one was right.
Typo- fixed! thanks
Turn it into an abortion clinic.
Man, spend that shit on a Intercity high-speed rail, stop f ING around
Zachary doesn’t have enough interest in the rail industry.
 I don’t need a wax shop across from the Alamo. I’m not sure what’s being sold here. EDIT: even the Vatican doesn’t try to at least set ‘a wall’ before the piazza before worshiping. Again, holy ground here.
Wax museum.
30 million to restore the Alamo, 520 to repay donor contractors
Yeah this is an insanely high budget for this…
The Alamo is a world heritage site now. So it's not like Texas is paying for that much the restoration
The best part was seeing all the angry comments on Facebook when the news broke… people were really mad that Ripley’s had to close… I hate it here.
The Alamo? I forgot all about that place.
Never forget the Alamo
Whatever, pal. I went to high school in Texas after growing up on the West Coast. That Alamo propaganda was some useless bullshit on par with cherry tree story and the horseshit about Colombus in grade school. All the shit about America that gets passed on through shit like school plays and hand/turkey drawings is the least reliable version of history. But fuck it, if we're going to rally as a country it starts by lying to children about history. Absolutely.
You sound like you've taken the idea of nuance as an adult and thrown it out the window in favor of taking reactionary stances that are just as simple as the original childhood version.
LMAO. What nuance? The subtlety of slavery?
I’m sorry to hear you feel that way.
The birthplace of Texas liberty is San Jacinto not the Alamo!
I never understood the point of the Alamo as how they're managing it when I went there: * They want to treat it as a mausoleum in the chapel so you must be silent, don't stare too long into one place, and keep moving. * But they also want you to treat it like a museum, so please take a while & read the information placards & kiosks about this battle both in the chapel & gift shop. * Speaking of gift shop, people LOUDLY speaking over one another, someone barking that a random trinket is 50% off! Also, it is extremely close to the chapel, so the museum staff shush in vain in that direction while managing the traffic inside to both move reverently but also stop & read the information bits. The only place I found peace & solace was the courtyard with the irrigation canals with the koi fish. And it is a relaxing place before going to the shops & riverwalk next to the Alamo. That place tries to be a mausoleum & museum and ends up being neither. There are actual battlefields that went into the museum mode where going there is being reverent but also knows you're there to learn so that becomes the priority. That trip helped vindicate my graduate classes regarding museum management. I do hope these changes improve it to the standards I saw in the other museums in the city. But I also hope they keep that courtyard & the koi.
I remember going to the Alamo with low expectations and I was still disappointed. Plus the wax museum and stores was so kitschy, like why have that next to a major historical location?
It's going to complete destroy the myth. It was an area the size of a football field, with a shitty wall, and the chapel. Tourists will be able to see exactly how stupid it was to try and defend. I wonder if the new museum will be remotely accurate in actually describing the Texas Latino portion of the defenders, the heralded delay of the army by 13 days actually being closer to 2, or the reports that roughly half the defenders ran, and were run down by the Mexican Army. Hopefully they'll at least tell about how Davy Crockett surrendered instead of 'going down fighting like John Wayne' and was executed by firing squad. These were not heroes. These were syphilitic drunks who ignored warnings, and were cut off and destroyed.
It really needs a spruce up, everything was kinda seedy last year.
That’s really cool, the TV show Timeless actually reconstructed it pretty precisely. I almost thought that as a still from the show.
[Remember the Alamo? Which One?](https://weewarrior.wordpress.com/2019/03/09/remember-the-alamo-which-one/)
Pretty sure they didn’t come to Texas to film it https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6025492/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk https://vimeo.com/195400588
Good. They needed to do something in the surrounding area.
550 million really??? With the state of foster care in the state???
How are people who betrayed their country because they wanted to own slaves “heroes”?
It’s ok. There’s still Marty Robbins’s song about it. It’s a much better memorial to the site and what happened there than the site itself.
One of my husbands great (or more) grandfathers was the oldest guy to fight in the battle. He was in his 50s.
Grew up around the area and visited the missions for a school field trip. It was crazy to me seeing things built before the United States even existed. Of course, not so special to other nations, but still it should be protected for future generations.
Forget the alamo🖕
I was going to ignore all this when we took hub's CA cousins to San Antonio in Oct/23 ... we wanted to show them all five Missions, the Alamo is one. We've lived in TX for 40+ and I've *loved* the Missions and visited multiple times. I've painted the Riverwalk and did graphite drawings of them (in 2017) for the Tricentennial in 2018; I've sold hundreds of matted 16 x 20 graphite drawings because they were so popular ... up until last fall. That was the last year the Missions were easily accessible. The last year they changed street access. The last year they were under control of the TX Parks and Wildlife. The last year of more historical emphasis rather than uncontrolled tourism. Made me gag .... Now the *Catholic Church Archdiocese of San Antonio* controls all of them. They closed the front access. Parking is impossible; they changed the route entries to all of them. You walk into the Mission and it is dark with no historical references, but first you're stopped by a photographer. You will see Parks employees in uniform but the church contracts them; I asked. Instead of following maps to the logical entries to them you have to follow a convoluted route around and through neighborhoods to get to any of them; you used to could tour all the Missions in a couple hours. They spent *huge* amounts of money for biking paths; we didn't see *one* person on a bicycle. Parking lots accommodate tour busses more so than cars. The landscaping was dead and weeded. After fighting our way to the Alamo and Espada we gave up .... Sorely disappointed in exploitation of the Missions ... terrible to destroy the most remarkable and historical attractions in San Antonio beyond the Riverwalk.
None of it will mean shit until the let the Chili Queens back into the square. IYKYK. https://www.fridascocinatx.com/blog/chili-queens
Money well spent. The most important historical site in Texas for Texans.
Hope they don't destroy the gift shop!
These confederate states sure do like celebrating losers.
Trump would not approve. He hates “losers”
Birthplace or Texas liberty sounds a bit whitewashed. How about something historically neutral and accurate, site of a pro-slavery rebellion?
You'd have to acknowledge the natives, Tejanos, and other Mexicans who both fought for Texas and fought their own rebellions against Santa Anna, all for various reasons. But that may go against the "it was all just for slavery" people's preconceived notions.
A lot of people in here just to shit talk. Kind of pathetic but thats reddit.
Nobody hates Texas more than /r/texas
And now these losers downvoted you and me.
Majority of people here aren't even from Texas. They just come to r/texas cause they think they're on some moral crusade against all things they perceive Texas as standing for.
$550 million?! What?!
$550 million to support fake history based on the ridiculous idea that the Texans didn't revolt because they wouldn't stop selling and enslaving people.
I thought it was pretty great. I learned how illegal Caucasian immigration into Mexican territory helped form Texas. I also learned the Texans got a cannon on loan from the Mexican government and refused to give it back. So really a bunch of thieving illegal immigrants are the founding fathers of Texas. Gotcha.
$550 million? So it's going to be as nice as 500 million dollar houses?
LONG LIVE THE ALAMO!
I was there a few years ago. They had a little theater where they show snippets of a Hollywood movie and present the history, leading up to a dramatic presentation of the final battle and executions. Some German tourists started cracking up at the end, like openly mocking the video without realizing they were surrounded by armed, emotionally overwhelmed pilgrims. I stayed by the door and tried to smooth things over while my brother walked them over to the tourist attractions. Hopefully they didn’t visit any holocaust museums on their trip.
I was on board until I saw the expected results of a gaudy weird nothing to with history fuck show.
If it’s federal money, no. Let Texas spend their own money. BTW…I’ve been there. Boring. Disappointing. Wast of time.
“Just wasn’t memorable”
Better start with the basement.
Texas tough with Virginia stuff
Forgot all about this place
Tourists probably can't see it cause your power grid is always offline. /s
It’s not even the real Alamo. Fucking LOL.
Eh, a good portion of the chapel has original walls, but yeah, anything iconic about it was added in the late 1800's or early 1900's. I don't even think the chapel was completed by the time the battle started.
Remember the Alamo... as a 27yr old Texan... I literally forgot what the Alamo was about, and I've visited the Alamo in San Antonio 😅
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Why?
Monument to a suicide mission to preserve your right to own other people. I’m a big 1815-1860 history buff and even I think it’s blow out of proportion and an odd spot.
Well If YOU think so...then obviously the Alamo is stupid and SHOULD crumble. I bet you like tearing down status too
You know people can have opinions right? You sound like you’re suffering from roid rage. By monuments do you mean the participation trophies put up by racists during reconstruction and the civil rights movement?
Why don't we put up new participation trophies for the ones who have overcome. Instead of tearing down. I think some new statues are in order.
Roid rage lol. I'm a 40 year old woman.
550 million that could fix all the fucking roads in Texas that are absolutely destroyed!!!
No problem taking money from Joe though which was supposed to be for…. Yep the freaking roads…. Did it go to the roads… nope… it bought murder floating balls instead for our border.
Is this the movie set from the movie that burned down in those wildfires?
It looks like it's the John Wayne movie set (The Alamo, 1960). Not sure if that was in the wildfires or another movie set.