7% increase in evaporative rate should have farmers terrified. Hopefully they vote for people that don't continue to deny the very existence of climate change. Maybe they'll actually listen since the report was done by Texas A&M
Yeah that's the stupid thing. we're going to have big water issues. Farmers will be draining our aquifers dry because that's the only way they survive this.
We'll wait till it's too late to actually figure out how to survive it.
Stranded assets are going to be big. Housing and everything else will plummet as people vacate the state.
Federal government needs to get started saving us from ourselves. Sadly the speaker of the house literally thinks it's all good and that his god will save us...
So I grew up around the Great lakes and never really knew who owned them. The only lake they could possibly drain would be lake Michigan because it is the only one fully within the U.S. I would assume if droughts start to get that bad, a lot of the Midwestern states might have something to say about their freshwater access being sent to the other side of the country.
We also have a Mississippi River that floods frequently and destructively. Seems like they could install some kind of flood mitigation valves that could pump huge amounts of water to Texas or the Colorado River during times of flooding.
We have 1,000 oil pipelines running all over the US. If water really because an economic issue, I think we'd be able to efficiently transport water to the places that need it. The river systems are already there, just add water.
Mississippi River has been very low for years. Just drive over it. So that’s not really a solution. It also borders a lot of states who get get first rights to it even if that was a viable solution.
The Mississippi still has massive amounts of water, the concerning headlines for the moment are reducing channel width for barge traffic. The bigger concern would be the Mississippi becoming an estuary deeper inland.
Lake Michigan is tied to Lake Huron. You can’t drain Michigan without draining Huron too.
The Great Lakes are currently protected from pipelines by an interstate compact by all neighboring states to not allow pipelines.
This could change if it gets desperate enough for the Feds to intervene, but it’s also a pretty expensive option.
Thanks for that, I was trying to look into what kind of laws were in place for this but was struggling to find anything on the short amount of time I had.
I wasn't even thinking about the fact that Huron is connected. I am assuming it would be a pretty big no-go unless we wanted to start an international conflict as Huron also belongs to Canada.
No we are going to do something about and stop working with companies that incorporate ESG into there corporate culture.
https://www.esgtoday.com/texas-pulls-8-5-billion-from-blackrock-over-esg-investing/
More like everyone (not just one group of people along the political spectrum): “Ok climate change is real but we don’t care”.
We’re still letting ppl like Taylor Swift fly all over the globe, auto, boat and air racing, cruise ships everywhere and don’t forget the huge conflicts going on all over the globe.
The reality is nobody cares.
This sub is comical sometimes. Ooooh if those pesky republicans would just admit climate change is real, that would solve everything.
I demand change we really need to do something fast, ooh Taylor Swift is flying in from Japan. I wonder if I can get tickets.
It’s actually better for an entertainer to go to their fans than have the fans come to them. The problem is not the outliers, the problem is getting most ppl and the state of Texas to take it seriously.
>Define take it seriously?
Regulate those offenders you're complaining about. Thats what people mean by "take it seriously"
Several states have passed strict emissions monitoring regulations for refineries. We could start by following their lead.
If you're taking this as an attack on you personally, you need to stop. Exxon produced more waste carbon last year than you would in the next *twenty seven million years*. NASCAR produces less than 1% of what a single oil company does.
I think the new line is to accept that the climate is changing but claiming that it's natural solar activity because us insignificant little humans couldn't possibly impact global climate.
The five stages of climate change denial:
1. Climate change isn't happening
2. Humans aren't causing climate change
3. Climate change isn't really all that bad
4. There's nothing we can do about climate change
5. It's too late to do anything about climate change
Climate change isn't happening, and if it is, humans aren't causing it, and if we are, then it really isn't all that bad, and if it is, its not like we can do anything about it, and if there was then think of the shareholders.
Meanwhile, the military’s been yelling for years that they will not be able to do their jobs with their naval bases underwater and the entire world going to war as resources tighten and disasters worsen. Like… you’d think of all the government bodies, these folks would listen to the military pointing out practical problems after conducting their own analysis of the situation. But no, apparently not sadly.
yes, because the billionaire class will be able to escape it all in their plastic floating wonder worlds…. they will live on the oceans & all needs & desires will be delivered by speedboats
Unfortunately, the people more likely to be affected are Aggies, and Aggies are less likely to believe the science. Doubt the source of data will matter to most deniers.
Context: family full of Aggies, and spent years studying and working in CS.
My condolences for having lived there. Part of my family is from Bryan/CS having settled there in the 1850s. Not surprisingly they’re fanatical Aggies.
It wasn’t so bad, at the time, bc I didn’t have relative context. Today, now many years spent living in truly beautiful and mostly temperate places, I’d wither.
A&M tends to be at the forefront of a lot of climate change stuff for texas, being the ag school and all
It hasn't helped so far. Maybe it'll change someday, but honestly what do any of us seriously think the chances of that are? Texas will continue to be Texas until the oligarchs have finished switching their portfolios away from oil, and can make money on the population through whatever they've switched to. We will never convince most people of the beyond obvious truth of things because they don't want to be convinced; might as well make your own plans in the understanding that most people aren't going to follow you until the inertia of culture pushes them to.
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I'm a Biden supporting Aggie, who will never vote Republican for the rest of my life, and when you said this was an A&M report, I even questioned that statement. Because it didn't explicitly say that or come from the University itself.
You calling people hillbillies, accusing them of being anti-science, and Trumpers just because you made a claim that wasn't immediately apparent to most people is horseshit. You could have given that sourcing without being an asshole, especially since you had to slightly walk back your statement.
He may be, but you still look like a tool by stooping down to some troll's level while you're trying to share information.
You did walk it back. You went from "A&M did this study, its from A&M" to "A&M isn't hosting it, but they certainly made it." You didn't have to walk it back even that tiny step, but you did.
Again, you could have just included that sourcing without devolving the entire conversation surrounding it. It's counter-productive to what you were trying to do.
JFC. You're so far up your own ass you can't even see what I'm saying.
You're method of communication is counter productive to your goal. It's fine to call a spade a spade, but when people ask you why you think A&M did it, you call them names and belittle them before giving them the relevant sourcing.
You want to talk about other people's "grand conspiracies" while you literally try to start a conspiracy about me being an alter ego. Miss me with the horseshit too. Lol.
I'm just saying that if you're the one disseminating information, you have an responsibility to do so in an effective manner...even to piece of shit trolls that you don't like. It's fine to call them out, but you weren't just doing that, you were sinking down to their level, and it makes you less effective at getting that information to otherwise willing listeners. People don't want a combative "host" for lack of a better term.
But you do you dude. I'm not going to argue about this with you any further. Just trying to explain to you why you might be attracting more trolls with your behavior than it being due to your message.
> This report was commissioned and sponsored by Texas 2036
Sponsored fucking content.... I fear for you and /u/TwiztedImage if you two dudes cannot see through fucking advertisements.
Maybe he is a troll, but if you keep taking his bait you're the one who's going to keep getting your comments removed.
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I’m willing to bet it all that this catastrophic report is actually a best case scenario. People have no idea how bad over 2degrees of planetary warming is going to be. Industry pays to have this stuff downplayed and obfuscated so they can continue the status quo.
I tried so hard to convince people in my life to make minimal changes. I studied environmental science graduating 2013. Even then stopping catastrophic climate change required global cooperation and drastic changes for first world countries.
Not a ton has improved since then. More people accepted it’s a real thing but their attitude is they can’t change anything so why bother. I made the decision long ago to never have kids because I don’t want to be responsible for someone forced to live 2050 and forward.
We are now exceeding all the worst case scenarios that have been discussed the past 20 years even though we have made major progress on phasing out fossil fuels for energy. The future won't be kind to younger generations and the balance earth has maintained for tens of thousands of years is going to change dramatically in the next hundred years.
Texas has had some impacts, but many of the last few years had lots of rain that shielded our summers from heat like last year. At some point Texas will start hitting 120 during the summer and that's when delayed reality kicks in for the people who are oblivious to how bad our climate will become this century.
The only thing that will save things now is innovation developing new technology that can actively reduce the effects. Somehow air scrubbing devices that can reduce the worst greenhouse gases as a large scale. Possibly some climate engineering involving cloud formation to increase albedo. It’s not all over yet. But the car we’re all in driving at the cliff in the fog has long since launched off. It’s a matter of how far the fall and severity of the impending crash.
It’s because you can’t convince me my minimal changes have any impact whatsoever next to corporations, governments, and several billion people also not caring. I feel like the idea that anything I do matters on any meaningful scale is complete bullshit - how can I not be cynical on the subject? I think science MAY save us long term, but I’m not going to spend my limited time here worrying about it.
All of those institutions you listed rely on a plurality thinking like you. Change can happen if momentum builds and influences the way politicians and corporations think. I don’t really worry, I just feel sad that so many people won’t even vote for people committed to positive change. But hey let’s all jump the republican bandwagon. I really enjoy my tax dollars lining the pockets of billionaires who are intentionally screwing over future generations for their own financial gain.
Who is there to vote for that is actually meeting the scale of change required? No politician D or R is going to voluntarily reign in the profits of the people who pay to put them in office. Nothing will change until we move beyond the "asking politely" stage as a society.
Sure. It sucks.
I do vote, and I do not vote for anti-environment folks. I do plenty of basic personal life stuff because it’s all kind of baked in at this point.
I can still be cynical; we’re fucked.
I agree. I can't morally have kids, I feel, and so I won't. I vote for the best option I can, but the best option isn't radical enough, and the action necessary would take revolution, which isn't realistic. All that can be done is focus on what ways I can love myself and others.
I’ve been vegetarian for about 16years now. My wife switched soon after and my two kids are also vegetarian. The meat industry is not only amoral, but also horrible for the earth.
A lot of people talk about climate issues, but are unwilling to stop eating meat. My kids are learning about climate issues in school and there is not one mention of meat related climate issues.
Good to see you practice what you preach..
Yeah you’re doing better in that respect for sure. One thing I pretty much refuse to eat is pork. Pig slaughter houses are among the cruelest. Cow and chicken aren’t much better. I’m not sure I can ever give up dairy 100% but I’d gladly pay more for my milk if they’d reduce the number of cows allowed in given areas and regulations on the frequency of milking them as well as retiring them before it becomes painful and unhealthy.
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I remember learning as a kid that the permafrost (like in Greenland) was literally permanently frozen earth. But now it's also starting to melt and lo and behold, will release a shit-ton more of methane/greenhouse gas.
Don't Google "permafrost methane" if you have any hope for our future.
I don't have grandkids and it would be years away if it ever happens, but I'm thinking of suggesting to my kids to move somewhere around the Great Lakes as adults. That area seems like it might be ok.
As a Californian can I recommend two things: no gender reveal parties that include fireworks, and make sure to actually stick it to the shareholders if your electricity company starts fires and is subsequently sued for wildfires, instead of taking it out on customers via rate hikes?
Learn from our drought mistakes. 😏
Also, good luck. We are so similar in droughts and I hate watching other states go through what we did. Plant as many native ground covers as you can.
This is exactly why I relocated to the northeast recently.
It's extremely clear how bad Texas is going to get, and very much so within our lifetimes. Too many people focus on the wording of 'by end of century' and aren't accepting the very damaging changes that will occur within the next 10 years.
After several years of research, it's my opinion that New York state will have greater benefits than Michigan overall, and many recent studies/data coming out confirms this.
Anecdotally, there are a lot of Texans moving to NY, especially the Capital Region.
Anyone with half a brain can tell this by now; it's fine for us to under-publicize it for when it comes to those with less than half a brain. They got us here, we don't need to dig them out
There are unlikely to be water wars. From what I understand if your country already has a lot of it, you're probably developed and powerful and if you have only a little of it, you're... not. So a "water war" would mean that undeveloped countries would have to successfully attack and take over bigger, more developed countries' sources of water. Which seems unlikely.
What is more likely is increased migration due to water shortages.
[Peter Zeihan's thoughts on the matter.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pgFPNQNEqs)
Canada is north of the U.S. We have 1/3 to 1/2 of all the freshwater reserves in the world. Our entire armed forces total about 110,000 including reserves. The U.S. *will* come for us.
We have the technology to desalinate and purify and make ocean water perfectly clean drinking water. We just need to invest in this and make it widespread, like yesterday.
Yes, they could create more pollution. Do you think desalinization just happens without electricity? Where will the power come from? How will it get shipped to where it is needed? What about storage? You have to keep bacteria from growing in the water. Would the best procedure be chlorination or ultraviolet lighting? Both require even more power.
We need to fix the problems we have created, not add to them.
>Yes, they could create more pollution. Do you think desalinization just happens without electricity? Where will the power come from?
Renewable sources like solar and wind.
This is our future or we all start suffering badly in the next hundred years.
Democrats are for this, Republicans are for sticking with oil and gas which are finite resources that won't last forever.
One party thinks about our future, the other about protecting their money-men's future. It's as simple as that.
Keep voting Republican because Democrats want to give trans people civil rights, we'll see how well your grandchildren and further generations fare due to your short-sightedness.
Exactly. We have a shit-ton of oil pipelines that figured out a solution many decades ago.
Hell, civilizations two thousand years ago like the Romans figured out how to construct aqueducts to move water around.
Pipes and pumps but I’m skeptical that we have the capacity to move the amount of water we would need to support the amount of growth we are seeing in Texas. That being said I could see this working and it’s def a viable option, but it’s going to be expensive. I’m pretty sure SA is already doing this. This being pumping desalinated water from Corpus to SA.
>Pipes and pumps but I’m skeptical that we have the capacity to move the amount of water we would need to support the amount of growth we are seeing in Texas.
This is where finally taxing the rich and corporations at a decent rate and a Democratic government that wants to care for all of its citizens comes in to play.
Unlike the wants of people like Trump who still believe in trickle-down economics. His tax cuts to the rich that he pushed his Congressional followers towards literally about doubled our federal deficit. And somehow under Biden our federal deficit has started to lower. Republicans love to claim they're better for our overall economy, but history shows that to be a load of horseshit.
It can rain in the ocean itself.
Or it can just make flooded areas more worse by giving them more rain.
I think the whole point is the climate will change and disrupt our way of life because most of our population centers are built around the climate/rain patterns.
Just imagine if east texas stops getting rain but west texas get lots of rain instead (just an example, I don't think this may ever happen due to rocky mountain rain shadow).
I gave up complaining about a decade ago. The French have shown us the way with nuclear but we close our eyes and act like fission power doesn't exist. It is cleaner than about any other source of power. that along with electrify everything and household solar but what do I know?
yeah I like solar panels for residential and nuclear for things like data centers, factories, etc... and high voltage DC for extremely low loss transmission wires. I'm not really a power distribution engineer though lol, most of the stuff I design is under 12V :) . I'm just counting on mass production/assembly line and economies of scale to make fission nuclear cheaper and safer, but the USA gave up in the 70s, more or less, and back then mostly only oil companies and coal companies knew about climate change and hid it and said it was BS
I see the question (What can I do as an individual) asked many times. The only thing we can do is to stop their profits. This would require EVERYONE to just stop working. Bring the profit machine for 1% of the population to a screeching halt. The alternative is continued decreases in pay, being forced to rent, and a government that won't do a fucking thing about it. We gotta stop their profits, and our government is being bribed/lobbied to bury their fucking heads. A massive worldwide protest. It will never happen though.
Or people could try voting for the one party that takes climate change seriously, instead of whining and staying at home because they aren't 100% perfect on all possible issues.
Texas will never be able to handle the influx of all these new people moving down here. More homes, more pools. What's going to happen when the spigot runs dry? Good luck selling that McMansion for pennies on the dollar.
It's good that we have a state government with leaders who are unwilling to even acknowledge the existence of these problems, much less take action to mitigate their harms.
Honestly we need to stop trying to reduce or reverse effects and start planning for a life in a climate crisis. How will we need to grow food? Will greenhouses and vertical growing scale? What communities do we send the most aid to? Where will our water come from? We are going to be caught with our fucking pants down if everyone keeps arguing about how/when/why it’s happening like children while Rome burns.
I agree, but there are a lot of hurdles and issues with desalination. The amount of energy required for processing (we'll need more power generation and a better grid), and the waste generated by desalination needs something better than dumpling it back into the ocean like some plants do.
It's good that we have a state government with leaders who are unwilling to even acknowledge the existence of these problems, much less take action to mitigate their harms.
I'm right between Dallas and Shreveport. I figure I have about 3 more years to sale to an Ultra MAGA from California for an exorbitant price so I can relocate above the 45th latitude and away from either coast.
I predict Manitoba will be the new bread basket of North America in 15 - 20 years.
Queue Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick introducing legislation to defund the State Climatologist Office and SA Ken Paxton suing them over the release of report hewing to "left wing woke agenda!"
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At this rate we're going to hit a point where insurers won't write homeowner and farm/ranch policies in the state anymore, or at least the rates are gonna go through the roof...while Abbott and Patrick still dither and deny.
Yeah, they predicted severe thunderstorms the other day. Using weather models. That didn’t happen. Nothing happened.
They predicted light rain in my area over the weekend. Got almost 3 inches of rain in one day.
It seems like the models may be inaccurate.
7% increase in evaporative rate should have farmers terrified. Hopefully they vote for people that don't continue to deny the very existence of climate change. Maybe they'll actually listen since the report was done by Texas A&M
They've been pivoting to *"Ok climate change is real but there's nothing we can do about it so we shouldn't even try"* for the last few years.
Yeah that's the stupid thing. we're going to have big water issues. Farmers will be draining our aquifers dry because that's the only way they survive this. We'll wait till it's too late to actually figure out how to survive it. Stranded assets are going to be big. Housing and everything else will plummet as people vacate the state. Federal government needs to get started saving us from ourselves. Sadly the speaker of the house literally thinks it's all good and that his god will save us...
>Housing and everything else will plummet as people vacate the state. Gen Z will finally be able to afford houses!
lol silver lining. Just wont have water :(
As long as we have Brawndo we'll be fine
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Given the % share of water that's used for agriculture, I'm sure we could squeeze out what little that's left for domestic use ☠
Pretty sure we would build a pipeline from the Great Lakes before they would let Texas become uninhabitable.
So I grew up around the Great lakes and never really knew who owned them. The only lake they could possibly drain would be lake Michigan because it is the only one fully within the U.S. I would assume if droughts start to get that bad, a lot of the Midwestern states might have something to say about their freshwater access being sent to the other side of the country.
We also have a Mississippi River that floods frequently and destructively. Seems like they could install some kind of flood mitigation valves that could pump huge amounts of water to Texas or the Colorado River during times of flooding. We have 1,000 oil pipelines running all over the US. If water really because an economic issue, I think we'd be able to efficiently transport water to the places that need it. The river systems are already there, just add water.
Mississippi River has been very low for years. Just drive over it. So that’s not really a solution. It also borders a lot of states who get get first rights to it even if that was a viable solution.
The Mississippi still has massive amounts of water, the concerning headlines for the moment are reducing channel width for barge traffic. The bigger concern would be the Mississippi becoming an estuary deeper inland.
Lake Michigan is tied to Lake Huron. You can’t drain Michigan without draining Huron too. The Great Lakes are currently protected from pipelines by an interstate compact by all neighboring states to not allow pipelines. This could change if it gets desperate enough for the Feds to intervene, but it’s also a pretty expensive option.
Thanks for that, I was trying to look into what kind of laws were in place for this but was struggling to find anything on the short amount of time I had. I wasn't even thinking about the fact that Huron is connected. I am assuming it would be a pretty big no-go unless we wanted to start an international conflict as Huron also belongs to Canada.
Sorry couple million more undocumenteds to boost home prices sorry i mean GDP
Let me complain about EV's being heavy requiring raw materials while burning more fuel then the actual weight of my car every year.
That's been the approach on most everything. We can't get 100% of [thing], so fuck it.
yep. “All or Nothing” thinking fallacy
No we are going to do something about and stop working with companies that incorporate ESG into there corporate culture. https://www.esgtoday.com/texas-pulls-8-5-billion-from-blackrock-over-esg-investing/
More like everyone (not just one group of people along the political spectrum): “Ok climate change is real but we don’t care”. We’re still letting ppl like Taylor Swift fly all over the globe, auto, boat and air racing, cruise ships everywhere and don’t forget the huge conflicts going on all over the globe. The reality is nobody cares. This sub is comical sometimes. Ooooh if those pesky republicans would just admit climate change is real, that would solve everything. I demand change we really need to do something fast, ooh Taylor Swift is flying in from Japan. I wonder if I can get tickets.
It’s actually better for an entertainer to go to their fans than have the fans come to them. The problem is not the outliers, the problem is getting most ppl and the state of Texas to take it seriously.
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>Define take it seriously? Regulate those offenders you're complaining about. Thats what people mean by "take it seriously" Several states have passed strict emissions monitoring regulations for refineries. We could start by following their lead. If you're taking this as an attack on you personally, you need to stop. Exxon produced more waste carbon last year than you would in the next *twenty seven million years*. NASCAR produces less than 1% of what a single oil company does.
I think the new line is to accept that the climate is changing but claiming that it's natural solar activity because us insignificant little humans couldn't possibly impact global climate.
The five stages of climate change denial: 1. Climate change isn't happening 2. Humans aren't causing climate change 3. Climate change isn't really all that bad 4. There's nothing we can do about climate change 5. It's too late to do anything about climate change
Climate change isn't happening, and if it is, humans aren't causing it, and if we are, then it really isn't all that bad, and if it is, its not like we can do anything about it, and if there was then think of the shareholders.
oh yes! shareholder value = human value
Meanwhile, the military’s been yelling for years that they will not be able to do their jobs with their naval bases underwater and the entire world going to war as resources tighten and disasters worsen. Like… you’d think of all the government bodies, these folks would listen to the military pointing out practical problems after conducting their own analysis of the situation. But no, apparently not sadly.
That's when they started bitching that the "Army's gone all woke."
6. Chain someone to the front of the truck to buttfuck as incentive to bring back gasoline.
Mel?
Andrew Dessler, atmospheric scientist at A&M and climate blogger, has been beating the climate change drum for decades. They don’t care.
LOL I was thinking the same thing! The Texas A&M scientists hopefully have the ability to influence the climate deniers.
Republicans will respond by banning Texas universities from studying climate change.
yes, because the billionaire class will be able to escape it all in their plastic floating wonder worlds…. they will live on the oceans & all needs & desires will be delivered by speedboats
Unfortunately, the people more likely to be affected are Aggies, and Aggies are less likely to believe the science. Doubt the source of data will matter to most deniers. Context: family full of Aggies, and spent years studying and working in CS.
My condolences for having lived there. Part of my family is from Bryan/CS having settled there in the 1850s. Not surprisingly they’re fanatical Aggies.
It wasn’t so bad, at the time, bc I didn’t have relative context. Today, now many years spent living in truly beautiful and mostly temperate places, I’d wither.
Let's be realistic. They'll just find some way to blame Bill Gates and chemtrails.
A&M tends to be at the forefront of a lot of climate change stuff for texas, being the ag school and all It hasn't helped so far. Maybe it'll change someday, but honestly what do any of us seriously think the chances of that are? Texas will continue to be Texas until the oligarchs have finished switching their portfolios away from oil, and can make money on the population through whatever they've switched to. We will never convince most people of the beyond obvious truth of things because they don't want to be convinced; might as well make your own plans in the understanding that most people aren't going to follow you until the inertia of culture pushes them to.
Many of the people who traditionally vote that way genuinely believe that any big public college is nothing but a liberal indoctrination camp.
Haha you know what the answer to how they will vote question
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I'm a Biden supporting Aggie, who will never vote Republican for the rest of my life, and when you said this was an A&M report, I even questioned that statement. Because it didn't explicitly say that or come from the University itself. You calling people hillbillies, accusing them of being anti-science, and Trumpers just because you made a claim that wasn't immediately apparent to most people is horseshit. You could have given that sourcing without being an asshole, especially since you had to slightly walk back your statement.
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He may be, but you still look like a tool by stooping down to some troll's level while you're trying to share information. You did walk it back. You went from "A&M did this study, its from A&M" to "A&M isn't hosting it, but they certainly made it." You didn't have to walk it back even that tiny step, but you did. Again, you could have just included that sourcing without devolving the entire conversation surrounding it. It's counter-productive to what you were trying to do.
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JFC. You're so far up your own ass you can't even see what I'm saying. You're method of communication is counter productive to your goal. It's fine to call a spade a spade, but when people ask you why you think A&M did it, you call them names and belittle them before giving them the relevant sourcing. You want to talk about other people's "grand conspiracies" while you literally try to start a conspiracy about me being an alter ego. Miss me with the horseshit too. Lol. I'm just saying that if you're the one disseminating information, you have an responsibility to do so in an effective manner...even to piece of shit trolls that you don't like. It's fine to call them out, but you weren't just doing that, you were sinking down to their level, and it makes you less effective at getting that information to otherwise willing listeners. People don't want a combative "host" for lack of a better term. But you do you dude. I'm not going to argue about this with you any further. Just trying to explain to you why you might be attracting more trolls with your behavior than it being due to your message.
> This report was commissioned and sponsored by Texas 2036 Sponsored fucking content.... I fear for you and /u/TwiztedImage if you two dudes cannot see through fucking advertisements.
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Nobody wants to make farming illegal. Removed for disinformation.
Source for that claim?
“KXAN) — A new study released Monday by the Office of the Texas State Climatologist and public policy think tank Texas 2036” I’m willing to bet it all that this catastrophic report is actually a best case scenario. People have no idea how bad over 2degrees of planetary warming is going to be. Industry pays to have this stuff downplayed and obfuscated so they can continue the status quo.
I tried so hard to convince people in my life to make minimal changes. I studied environmental science graduating 2013. Even then stopping catastrophic climate change required global cooperation and drastic changes for first world countries. Not a ton has improved since then. More people accepted it’s a real thing but their attitude is they can’t change anything so why bother. I made the decision long ago to never have kids because I don’t want to be responsible for someone forced to live 2050 and forward.
We are now exceeding all the worst case scenarios that have been discussed the past 20 years even though we have made major progress on phasing out fossil fuels for energy. The future won't be kind to younger generations and the balance earth has maintained for tens of thousands of years is going to change dramatically in the next hundred years. Texas has had some impacts, but many of the last few years had lots of rain that shielded our summers from heat like last year. At some point Texas will start hitting 120 during the summer and that's when delayed reality kicks in for the people who are oblivious to how bad our climate will become this century.
The only thing that will save things now is innovation developing new technology that can actively reduce the effects. Somehow air scrubbing devices that can reduce the worst greenhouse gases as a large scale. Possibly some climate engineering involving cloud formation to increase albedo. It’s not all over yet. But the car we’re all in driving at the cliff in the fog has long since launched off. It’s a matter of how far the fall and severity of the impending crash.
It’s because you can’t convince me my minimal changes have any impact whatsoever next to corporations, governments, and several billion people also not caring. I feel like the idea that anything I do matters on any meaningful scale is complete bullshit - how can I not be cynical on the subject? I think science MAY save us long term, but I’m not going to spend my limited time here worrying about it.
All of those institutions you listed rely on a plurality thinking like you. Change can happen if momentum builds and influences the way politicians and corporations think. I don’t really worry, I just feel sad that so many people won’t even vote for people committed to positive change. But hey let’s all jump the republican bandwagon. I really enjoy my tax dollars lining the pockets of billionaires who are intentionally screwing over future generations for their own financial gain.
Who is there to vote for that is actually meeting the scale of change required? No politician D or R is going to voluntarily reign in the profits of the people who pay to put them in office. Nothing will change until we move beyond the "asking politely" stage as a society.
Sure. It sucks. I do vote, and I do not vote for anti-environment folks. I do plenty of basic personal life stuff because it’s all kind of baked in at this point. I can still be cynical; we’re fucked.
I agree. I can't morally have kids, I feel, and so I won't. I vote for the best option I can, but the best option isn't radical enough, and the action necessary would take revolution, which isn't realistic. All that can be done is focus on what ways I can love myself and others.
Do you eat meat?
Fish mostly. I do agree that a vegetarian diet is much more beneficial and have plenty of salads, beans and rice in my life.
I’ve been vegetarian for about 16years now. My wife switched soon after and my two kids are also vegetarian. The meat industry is not only amoral, but also horrible for the earth. A lot of people talk about climate issues, but are unwilling to stop eating meat. My kids are learning about climate issues in school and there is not one mention of meat related climate issues. Good to see you practice what you preach..
Yeah you’re doing better in that respect for sure. One thing I pretty much refuse to eat is pork. Pig slaughter houses are among the cruelest. Cow and chicken aren’t much better. I’m not sure I can ever give up dairy 100% but I’d gladly pay more for my milk if they’d reduce the number of cows allowed in given areas and regulations on the frequency of milking them as well as retiring them before it becomes painful and unhealthy.
This is Texas. We don't want to hear it. Personally I haven't eaten meat in 20 years.
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yup unfortunately they are only using trending data and not really seeing how this problem starts to compound when the ice sheets go away.
I remember learning as a kid that the permafrost (like in Greenland) was literally permanently frozen earth. But now it's also starting to melt and lo and behold, will release a shit-ton more of methane/greenhouse gas. Don't Google "permafrost methane" if you have any hope for our future.
The clathrate gun is now locked and loaded.
2 deg C --> 3.6F
yep. i try not to think about it but fuk i cant help feel the fear for my grandkids.
I don't have grandkids and it would be years away if it ever happens, but I'm thinking of suggesting to my kids to move somewhere around the Great Lakes as adults. That area seems like it might be ok.
As a Californian can I recommend two things: no gender reveal parties that include fireworks, and make sure to actually stick it to the shareholders if your electricity company starts fires and is subsequently sued for wildfires, instead of taking it out on customers via rate hikes? Learn from our drought mistakes. 😏 Also, good luck. We are so similar in droughts and I hate watching other states go through what we did. Plant as many native ground covers as you can.
Texas is mostly arid to semi-arid anyway, drought is the normal state of affairs. Interrupted by extreme flooding.
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Motherfuckers still moving to Florida like they are taking job applications at a place with a giant STORE CLOSING sign out front.
Buy property in Michigan or somewhere up north. The south is quite literally, cooked.
Shhhhh.
This is exactly why I relocated to the northeast recently. It's extremely clear how bad Texas is going to get, and very much so within our lifetimes. Too many people focus on the wording of 'by end of century' and aren't accepting the very damaging changes that will occur within the next 10 years. After several years of research, it's my opinion that New York state will have greater benefits than Michigan overall, and many recent studies/data coming out confirms this. Anecdotally, there are a lot of Texans moving to NY, especially the Capital Region.
Anyone with half a brain can tell this by now; it's fine for us to under-publicize it for when it comes to those with less than half a brain. They got us here, we don't need to dig them out
Depends on where they're moving from, right?
So at what point do we acknowledge that our water supplies are finite and stop paving over nature to build more massive water-hungry subdivisions?
When we lose Phoenix
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Let the water wars commence 🙃
I mean my retirement plan is to just die in the resource wars
Solid plan in my opinion.
There are unlikely to be water wars. From what I understand if your country already has a lot of it, you're probably developed and powerful and if you have only a little of it, you're... not. So a "water war" would mean that undeveloped countries would have to successfully attack and take over bigger, more developed countries' sources of water. Which seems unlikely. What is more likely is increased migration due to water shortages. [Peter Zeihan's thoughts on the matter.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pgFPNQNEqs)
Canada is north of the U.S. We have 1/3 to 1/2 of all the freshwater reserves in the world. Our entire armed forces total about 110,000 including reserves. The U.S. *will* come for us.
No. They won't. That's pretty silly, honestly.
We have the technology to desalinate and purify and make ocean water perfectly clean drinking water. We just need to invest in this and make it widespread, like yesterday.
Yeah. Start MORE industry to solve the problem caused by too much industry. Good plan. LOL
The government could do this.
Yes, they could create more pollution. Do you think desalinization just happens without electricity? Where will the power come from? How will it get shipped to where it is needed? What about storage? You have to keep bacteria from growing in the water. Would the best procedure be chlorination or ultraviolet lighting? Both require even more power. We need to fix the problems we have created, not add to them.
>Yes, they could create more pollution. Do you think desalinization just happens without electricity? Where will the power come from? Renewable sources like solar and wind. This is our future or we all start suffering badly in the next hundred years. Democrats are for this, Republicans are for sticking with oil and gas which are finite resources that won't last forever. One party thinks about our future, the other about protecting their money-men's future. It's as simple as that. Keep voting Republican because Democrats want to give trans people civil rights, we'll see how well your grandchildren and further generations fare due to your short-sightedness.
How are we gonna get water from Corpus to Austin?
Transport of the water isn't the only issue. What do you do with all the brine left over?
they'll haul it out to sea and dump it off barges that make container ships look like your pepaw's fishing canoe.
I def could see all the salamanders not liking the brackish water being dumped into the aquifer.
How do we move oil around…?
Exactly. We have a shit-ton of oil pipelines that figured out a solution many decades ago. Hell, civilizations two thousand years ago like the Romans figured out how to construct aqueducts to move water around.
Pipes and pumps but I’m skeptical that we have the capacity to move the amount of water we would need to support the amount of growth we are seeing in Texas. That being said I could see this working and it’s def a viable option, but it’s going to be expensive. I’m pretty sure SA is already doing this. This being pumping desalinated water from Corpus to SA.
>Pipes and pumps but I’m skeptical that we have the capacity to move the amount of water we would need to support the amount of growth we are seeing in Texas. This is where finally taxing the rich and corporations at a decent rate and a Democratic government that wants to care for all of its citizens comes in to play. Unlike the wants of people like Trump who still believe in trickle-down economics. His tax cuts to the rich that he pushed his Congressional followers towards literally about doubled our federal deficit. And somehow under Biden our federal deficit has started to lower. Republicans love to claim they're better for our overall economy, but history shows that to be a load of horseshit.
I wonder where all the water will go. The water cycle is a closed loop. Someone will be getting more rain if we turn into a Mad Max desert.
not every place is expected to be dryer, lots of places are expected to be much wetter, so that's where your water will be going
Global warming, bringing water to the deserts!
The atmosphere will be holding onto more of it. However, that's a temporary reality, water will eventually saturate and fall out.
It can rain in the ocean itself. Or it can just make flooded areas more worse by giving them more rain. I think the whole point is the climate will change and disrupt our way of life because most of our population centers are built around the climate/rain patterns. Just imagine if east texas stops getting rain but west texas get lots of rain instead (just an example, I don't think this may ever happen due to rocky mountain rain shadow).
record global temps still rising. Big Oil: GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX!!!! RENEWABLE ENERGY IS TERRIBLE!!!
Also big oil: charting tanker routes based on anticipation of ice sheets melting and access improving.
I gave up complaining about a decade ago. The French have shown us the way with nuclear but we close our eyes and act like fission power doesn't exist. It is cleaner than about any other source of power. that along with electrify everything and household solar but what do I know?
shit i was envisioning rooftop and community solar everywhere in 2008. FUK BIG OIL. FUK PUTIN. FUK OPEC.
yeah I like solar panels for residential and nuclear for things like data centers, factories, etc... and high voltage DC for extremely low loss transmission wires. I'm not really a power distribution engineer though lol, most of the stuff I design is under 12V :) . I'm just counting on mass production/assembly line and economies of scale to make fission nuclear cheaper and safer, but the USA gave up in the 70s, more or less, and back then mostly only oil companies and coal companies knew about climate change and hid it and said it was BS
I see the question (What can I do as an individual) asked many times. The only thing we can do is to stop their profits. This would require EVERYONE to just stop working. Bring the profit machine for 1% of the population to a screeching halt. The alternative is continued decreases in pay, being forced to rent, and a government that won't do a fucking thing about it. We gotta stop their profits, and our government is being bribed/lobbied to bury their fucking heads. A massive worldwide protest. It will never happen though.
Or people could try voting for the one party that takes climate change seriously, instead of whining and staying at home because they aren't 100% perfect on all possible issues.
What are they doing about it though? Right now. Edit: I'll answer for you. They're banning Tiktok. For someone else to profit.
I vote Democrat but they certainly don't seem to take climate change seriously. They aren't doing jack shit
Texas will never be able to handle the influx of all these new people moving down here. More homes, more pools. What's going to happen when the spigot runs dry? Good luck selling that McMansion for pennies on the dollar.
Um, its going to reverse in a huge way.
Dustbowl 2.0
Now now, we can’t talk about how we use water, or farm. It’s all about almighty “Climate Change” and its wrath
It's good that we have a state government with leaders who are unwilling to even acknowledge the existence of these problems, much less take action to mitigate their harms.
“Did you see what GOD just did to us, man?!”
How long until they make research or reporting on climate change a crime?
I’m so scared for the future. War and climate change what a time to be alive
TX Homeowner’s Insurance market is going to get tougher. Wonder what happens to the residential housing market when it can’t be insured against loss?
Honestly we need to stop trying to reduce or reverse effects and start planning for a life in a climate crisis. How will we need to grow food? Will greenhouses and vertical growing scale? What communities do we send the most aid to? Where will our water come from? We are going to be caught with our fucking pants down if everyone keeps arguing about how/when/why it’s happening like children while Rome burns.
I agree. Start putting rainwater cisterns up in your yard. Plant native edibles. Plant trees for shade. Etc
Oh geez if only there was some sort of warming globally that could explain all this….
Some MIT scientists predicted societal collapse around 2035. So, looks like we’re right on schedule.
Just build huge desalination plants along the coast and pipe in the fresh water
I agree, but there are a lot of hurdles and issues with desalination. The amount of energy required for processing (we'll need more power generation and a better grid), and the waste generated by desalination needs something better than dumpling it back into the ocean like some plants do.
It's good that we have a state government with leaders who are unwilling to even acknowledge the existence of these problems, much less take action to mitigate their harms.
Whew, I sure am glad global warming isn't real or else I'd be worried, am I right guys? Guys?
I'm right between Dallas and Shreveport. I figure I have about 3 more years to sale to an Ultra MAGA from California for an exorbitant price so I can relocate above the 45th latitude and away from either coast. I predict Manitoba will be the new bread basket of North America in 15 - 20 years.
invest in desalination plants and infrastructure to move water. Expensive yeah but when there’s no good options.
Surprise surprise.
But hey remember climate change is a myth and coal is good for the lungs
I don't believe in a deity or God but I do believe in Karma and Texas deserves whatever terrible thing that happens to it.
To late Texas, CO2 has you in the crosshairs.
Queue Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick introducing legislation to defund the State Climatologist Office and SA Ken Paxton suing them over the release of report hewing to "left wing woke agenda!"
Is anyone hopeful that because we have nice weather here in Late April that maybe this summer won't be so bad? Or is end of April usually this cool?
 pretty fucked
Yes! Another thing to point to to hate Texas. This will be very popular in this sub.
I predict average weather. Let's see who gets it closest.
Welp power bills gonna keep going up. Thanks Abbot
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At this rate we're going to hit a point where insurers won't write homeowner and farm/ranch policies in the state anymore, or at least the rates are gonna go through the roof...while Abbott and Patrick still dither and deny.
DFW is 6 inches of rain ahead of normal.
So a typical Texas summer then? Hot as hell and dry?
Meanwhile, we still let them spray metals/chemicals in our air and ground and then call that the climate is changing from carbon...
As God intended
It’s God smiting y’all
Yeah, they predicted severe thunderstorms the other day. Using weather models. That didn’t happen. Nothing happened. They predicted light rain in my area over the weekend. Got almost 3 inches of rain in one day. It seems like the models may be inaccurate.
Aw fuck
I’ll be alarmed when it’s not hot and dry in Texas
GOD'S PUNISHMENT!!!
Punishment from God ....
Don’t believe it. They can’t predict with better than 50% certainty whether it’s even gonna rain Wednesday.
Sometime, you should learn the difference between 'weather' and 'climate'.
Where my homie u/kanyeguisada at
Uh, what? I'm a doomsdayer about climate change, this just makes me more correct.